Why is mechwarrior not more popular?

It's not very good

It would be more popular if the mechs were piloted by hot women with big tits.

Mechwarrior 3 vibes with MW4 Mercs campaign structure would be my ideal BTech game

>>715251984 (OP)
Why is the ai in 5 so shit

>>715251984 (OP)
It's incredibly ugly with shoddy mech designs.

>>715251984 (OP)
Gormless normalfags can't into sick mech combat. Even something as simple as ZoE (great as it is, love that shit) is too much for them. Hell, even just flying jet games like Ace Combat are too much for many of them still. They only know Call of Duty and FIFA and bing bing jumpman games, or if vagina'd whatever new flavor of candy crush is out.

It would be more popular if the mechs had big tits.

>>715251984 (OP)
the mecha genre is fucking retarded. maybe that's why.

>>715251984 (OP)
Because Warhammer is an infinitely better wargame setting

>>715252293
normalfaggot cope, when you can't comprehend it you shit on it like the retarded monkey man you are

>discover Battletech Centers
>discover I live a short drive away from 1 of 3 remaining in the world
>go in and visit on a Friday night
>20$ unlimited play, stats tracked via username, results printed every match
>closes down the next week
https://youtu.be/jdJA5C_Po4U

>>715252509
takis fuego cat

>>715251984 (OP)
I would kill for a good equivalent gundam sim set in UC0079.

>>715251984 (OP)
I feel like my weapons have no weight, and are not cool to use or see. Scenario needs to be more destructible too.
Mechs being smaller wont be bad tho.

I think it's kind of lame to control the mech's cockpit with the mouse.
I think I've figured out a way to solve this problem:
You rotate the cockpit as if you were driving a bulldozer or similar construction machinery. You need to rotate it independently with other controls, and the cockpit doesn't rotate smoothly, but like machinery.
As for the cannons, you control them independently with the mouse, within a certain limited area. You just aim with the mouse on the screen and the Mech's cannons align automatically. If the enemy is outside this limited area, you need to correct the Mech's cockpit so that it enters the area.
I think it would be much better. Mech games where the cockpit just follows the mouse lose that sense that you're operating a huge fucking machine.

>>715252820
Kiddo there's a mode you enable in game that allows you to turn your torso independently from your legs, then your mouse controls where the weapons themselves aim. Rudder pedals or something else control the direction the legs go

GOOD MORNING SOLARIS FANS! This is Duncan Fisher, coming to you live from the Factory.

>>715251984 (OP)
probably because western mecha stuff isn't really known
i only got into mech warrior with 5
i played the fuck out of mechassault as a kid though and i didn't learn that mech assault and mechwarrior were even in the same franchise until i saw my friend use the mad cat

>>715251984 (OP)
Because the games are garbage.

It sure is zoomzoom itt

Can you beat Armored Core as a battlemech?

>>715252047
Well that's blatantly false.

>>715252175
And you have cancerous faggot-shit taste.

What happened to this board?

>>715253904
So it's just Soulsborne but with mechs now?

>>715251984 (OP)
Its cool, but I do not care for its more western based mech designs.

>>715251984 (OP)
Ugly fucking mechs, like their women.

>>715251984 (OP)
4 was the best one the new one is shit.

>>715251984 (OP)
only white people care about mechs, the closest ones are asians who think mecha needs to be fast and fluid - which mechwarrior isn't

>>715251984 (OP)
The mechwarrior games have an issue of combat being too straight forward and piloting the mech too simple despite being weird tank controls.
It was acceptable when mechwarrior 2 came out but they need to reinvent how piloting the mech feels in mechwarrior.

>>715254040
No
>>715253904
No

>>715251984 (OP)
There's only been like one game in the last 20 years and they're not as cool without a joystick.

>>715253904
see this just looks boring. Anime mech trash, no difference than some retarded ninja jumping around

>>715251984 (OP)
I prefer mechcommander. Mechwarrior puts me to sleep.

>>715253904
Ac is more fun because everything's at breakneck speed

>>715255753
>Anime mech
Based
>retarded ninja jumping around
Even more based

>>715255753
Genuinely asking, I'm not trying to bait or anything and I will be very happy to be proven wrong.
Is there a time in mechwarrior games where it's more exciting than that webm?

>>715251984 (OP)
It honestly isn't very good. Despite the claims of others that it has 'weight', it does not have weight and it feels incredibly arcadey to pilot.

>>715251984 (OP)
Probably because it doesn't get the adrenaline pumping compared to playing a fast-paced shooter

>>715255753
>Anime mech trash
Anime mech usually look cool as fuck, they're brightly colored, and fun as fuck. Video game mech is always military-esque standard gritty grey-brown style. Copying anime mech could make a cool ass looking stylized game, as for gameplay I've never liked mech gameplay I'd want a total overhaul on that as a concept. Mechs don't play like retarded ninjas, because that might actually be fun game play. They're bulky, move slow, and are slow shooters usually.

>>715251984 (OP)
Mechcommander was great, big nostalgia. Never played mechwarrior except the online latest version; which was cool but I could never customize my mech as much as I wanted, whether by design or by micro-transactions limitations

>>715251984 (OP)
The original four games have lots of issues trying to run in Win10/11, especially 3.

5 uses Unreal Engine 5, which is a performance hog that keeps people with potatoes and fossiles from playing them.

>>715252509
Is it the one in Houston? I pass by it all the time.

Mechwarrior 3 came out in 1999 and is still the best game in the series is probably why.

>>715253159
For me, it's the Kit Fox, Bowman, and Mad Cat.

>>715251984 (OP)
the good mechwarrior games are all abandonware and a pain to get running on modern systems
the modern games are all made by retarded failed mmo devs
>>715252047
objective truth

>>715255753
>Anime mech trash, no difference than some retarded ninja jumping around
Hate to burst your bubble secondary-kun, but battlemechs can be frighteningly fast and agile, them being portrayed as just reskinned tanks is a limit the old games

>>715251984 (OP)
It was always too complicated for the average normalnigger. Yes, even the abortion that is MW5.

>>715253258
Actually it's more turdworld than zoombie in here

Reminds me I have to beat Heavy Gear 2.

The gameplay in the Mechwarior series reached an evolutionary dead end in MW4 multiplayer, where players would hide behind hills and only pop up to snipe each-other. The weapons with the most range also tend to be some of the most damaging ones. It wasn't particularly fun or interesting, as >>715254310 said. I don't know how you would make it more enjoyable. Perhaps completely destructible urban environments for a start, but that would take effort and not using some shitty licensed engine like Unreal, so it will probably never happen.

>>715261738
>where players would hide behind hills and only pop up to snipe each-other
The same thing happens in MWO, most players will build the heaviest mechs with the best hitboxes for peeking and highest mounted weapons with the longest range and highest single shot damage.
In other words, a tank.
Because mechs are stupid and the optimal design for armored warfare is a tank.

>>715253904
Man, whoever is playing in this webm sucks ass at this game. Barely moving and tanking hits. Not once flying over it to hit its weak spot on the top of its head. Terrible weapon combos too. Not even one melee weapon to take advantage of when the tank gets staggered. Why did you save this?

>>715253121
I love that the modders behind MWLL reached out to him and got him to voice the arena in their mod. The dude was more than happy to help out.

>>715252195
mech games are literally retard ezmode compared to actual difficult action games THOUGHEVER
getting bored of endlessly circlestrafing while being in 0 danger isn't the same as finding it hard lmao

>>715261303
Someone made a Heavy Gear II repack to get it working well(ish) on new PCs. Check the comment section here. Really good game

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/heavy-gear-ii-a79

>>715251984 (OP)
Because MechWarrior is a poor approximation of the Battletech setting. Most of them don't even have Melee.

>>715251984 (OP)
Because Armored Core is better

>>715252820
Mechwarrior 2 was like this, AFAIK 4 was as well, depending on the mech you had significantly less ability to turn and there were separate torso twist and aim controls.

>>715262462
Not that anon but by the filename he's cosplaying as Mechwarrior mech? I don't know anything about it but I know madcat is from Mechwarrior

>>715251984 (OP)
It is popular. It would be great if they'd re-release these games on GOG already though.

What is the fastest viable mech?

>>715263817
Mechwarrior 2 came with its own joystick made specifically for the game and it was kino. I do remember being able to twist the joystick to turn the mech's torso, and it also had throttle controls on the joystick.

>>715262462
All webms like this one are played on purpose like that, an anon plays the game on the easiest setting doing barely anything and winning by a hair, it's bullshit to trick people into thinking a game is easy and needs no strategy to play
It started with BOTW webms

>>715251984 (OP)
because the people want their giant combat robots to be cute and possibly also funny

>>715253916
>false
Mecha break, dumbfuck.

because 5 sucked

I actually enjoy the turn-based dice rolling Battletech formula, both in MegaMek and in the much more mainstream palatable HBS Battletech game
I honestly feel like the Battletech game did really well for the niche it fills and I have to wonder if nobody else is going to make another one in the same vein, there's a lot of eras to explore in Battletech so you can easily make another game with the same/similar engine slightly upgraded and shifting the era forward

5 was trash.

>>715265230
>there's a lot of eras to explore in Battletech
There's only two, Succession Wars and Clan Invasion

>>715262982
the fact that all you did was circlestrafe tells me more about how much of a normalfag you are than any list of favorites ever could

>>715265314
Pre-Star League?
Star League?
Age of War?
Renaissance?
Civil War and Jihad?

>>715262449
The mechs need to show off their mobile flexability they canonically have with being able to climb, jump and even dash+slide.
The only way to really show this off though is to force the player to drive a tank for the first half then let the player use a mech so they aren't as limited as they were in the tank.

>>715265314
I personally think Dark Age could lend itself well to a Battletech game
Not sure if a WoB Jihad era game would be good or terrible, but that's also an option
I do agree with you that Ilclan shit should never see the light of day

>>715265314
>he doesn't want to fight with Kerensky against the periphery menace and space genghis khan
You are gay

>>715265314
>B-but what about th-
Noooooo... we're just going to redo the succession wars and the clan invasion again

>>715251984 (OP)
they were very similar to '90s space shooters like TIE Fighter, very simmy with incredibly autistic controls, and when people had the option of dumber FPSes or console games they took it

>>715252820
Objectively speaking, the correct way to play 'Mechwarrior is with a full HOTAS set up.
>Stick controls arms/torso
>Throttle is self explanatory
>Pedals rotate the legs
>Buttons across the stick and throttle control all the gubbins (weapon groups, arm lock toggle, counter rotation toggle, etc.)

>>715251984 (OP)
There's been like one semi-decent mechwarrior game in the last 10 or 15 years. There has to be good games to drum up interest, and there has to be interest for developers to make good games.

>>715265747
>they canonically have with being able to climb, jump and even dash+slide
Not in battletech. The mechs are semi-realistic, not super robots like in anime.

>>715265905
>Stick controls arms/torso
I actually used stick X axis for turning the legs and the weird finger button on the back of the throttle of the T.Flight HOTAS before that thing was Thrustmaster for rotating the torso.

>>715266236
Pretty much
>then why not just use tanks!
If you're playing tabletop - people DO use tanks and they ARE viable, heavier tanks can go toe to toe with mechs
But they lack the same flexibility for the most part and can be crushed by being stepped on, so they're not completely superior

>>715266236
>t. hasnt read a single bt book

>>715266236
Retard

>>715251984 (OP)
Because it's not tankwarrior

>>715253904
Canonically Battletech 'mechs are just as articulate and maneuverable as mobile suits (Gundam). Their weapons are roughly on par or better as well. An armored core could maybe go toe to toe with a light 'mech, but if it's a war of attrition, the Battletech 'mechs are simply just too durable.

>>715251984 (OP)
The older games are hard to get running on modern OS apparently, and theyre hard as fuck to get into otherwise

>>715266498
Battletech loses to Armored Core in a war of attrition because the latter has utterly ridiculous city-sized megastructures which suggests insane production capabilities, while BTech is very "rural" setting where entire planets may only have a few major cities, with most people in it living a basically 20th century lifestyle, and a brigade-sized force is considered suitable for a planetary invasion.

>>715265042
You mean a shitty Chinese pay to win Overwatch clone that predictably flopped right out the gate and is completely irrelevant? Ok, retard coomer

>>715251984 (OP)
The Battletech universe is absolute fucking dogshit, and it only showcases how outdated its setting is which was created in the early 80s.
>1000 planets
>le Dune-like kingdoms still exist
>The best of the best "warriors" are people on mechs
>Hire these faggots on clunky mechs as mercenaries from across the galaxy just to quell a miner rebellion.
>Want to make me believe roving mercenary bands are hopping planet to planet across entire strips of space to fight small-time battles and solve lame issues.
> The only interest of the series is that some mechs look like fighter jets but on legs.

>>715267430
>only a handful of planets are important
>factions and nations exist
>best warriors get best equipment
>retards in charge don't know how to properly use said warriors
>reoccuring characters instead of everyone appearing once and then having to dissappear for 5000 years as his ship slowly drifts to a different solar system
>cool designs
This describes every sci-fi setting ever made

>>715267430
>le Dune-like kingdoms still exist
Monarchies in sci-fi will never die because anyone even slightly spiritually attuned can recognize that entropic nature of liberal democracy means it is incapable of greatness, which is absolutely necessary to accomplish the monumental feat of colonizing the stars.
>you need how much money to build nuclear starships? arent those dangerous? what about the aid money for bringing gay sex to africa? cant you just be happy with porn and burgers?

>>715266236
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Neurohelmet

>>715267952
Yeah, but not to the same degree as armored core or whatever. They're still incredibly heavy war machines.

>>715267839
>entropic nature of liberal democracy means it is incapable of greatness
Yeah, that's not why, it's because it's impossible to arrange elections at that scale and with that many disparate cultures. At one point during the star league era, they had people praying in the direction of Terra like fucking muslims.

needs a gacha with mech girls to attract the freebirths

>>715268093
Not Gundam tier but more than the forward+backward weve got now.
There will be a way to make the mechs more mobile and still feel heavy but that will require some trial and error on the game developers part.

>>715268329
>Atlas
>Assault mech, heavily armoured
>Musume barely dressed
Checks out

>>715268329
>needs a gacha
die clanner

>>715268380
>still feel heavy
You pretty much just need audio and camera feedback to motion. Make it shake a little, make the noises deep and satisfying, after that you just add slight animation and input delays after the motion to simulate inertia recovery. Bonus points for particle and texture effects around the stompers tossing up earth and cracking concrete.

pipe down, spheroid

>>715268329
better?

>>715268510
>alpha strikes you

>>715267430
>people on mechs
>on mechs
Zoomer turdworlder is retarded with a retarded opinion? Shocking I know

>>715268906
Love that thing. It's just the best for ruining an LRM boat's match

>>715268609
My biggest gripe about mw5 clans is they make the pulse lasers sound pathetic.
In mwo and mw5 they give off a deafining wub but in clans they are wimpy

>>715268380
>trial and error on the game developers part
That's just down to the animators. The issue at hand is the cucknadian animators are worse than early GMod stopmotion youtube animators because their animations in both MW5 Mercs and Clans are just the same bad animations lifted from MWO.

>>715252820
This is literally MechWarrior 3, albeit the cockpit rotates smoothly, and the deadzone is the entire screen

>>715252509
>young Anon, visiting family in Las Vegas during the 80s and 90s repeatedly.
>Find BattleTech Center / Virtual Geography League
>Entire place is "in character". Literature about the games is posted all over the place as if someone found a gateway to another planet. There's a restaurant that looked kinda like a Wing Commander-esq scifi mess hall (decent food and drinks too), and the booths had embedded CRTs where you could review game data as well as game data/lore. Players would sign up with a callsign, and employees would come and call out like you were being scrambled to deploy on a mission when it was your turn for your kind of game.
>If you hadn't played before, there were briefing videos showed in a readyroom decorated like a munitions cage in view of the "pods". before your mission.
>Play was in the full sim 'pods' that had HOTAS and fuckloads of buttons all around the cockpit with a large display; some later models had motion and "ejection" function with special effects like a fog machine.
>Multiple games, from BattleTech to Red Planet which was a combat martian racing game. Each gametype had different rulesets (ie the Red Planet mission could be a race with weapons disabled, a combat race, or something called martian football that required teams) and the level of difficulty/sophistication changed how you played. For instance, in Beginner BattleTech heat wasn't as severe and mechs basically fired a they were facing, but in Advanced or Master level ,you had to enable and disable weapon loadouts to manage heat and avoid damage, and used the pedals to turn the legs of the mech independently on certain mechs so you could fire while running the opposite direction etc.
>Got printouts, stat tracking, and even email/online logins. There were tournaments and "achievements" that came with physical, military-esq ribbons, medals, and rank awards
For a 10 year old it was something out of a dream. Unfortunately it closed next I went out

I really don't care if Battletech gets popular. I like being not that popular. It has already been invaded by activists, i'd rather not encourage more of them to get into it.

>>715262982
>>715265396
He played ac6 and mechabreak and comes in talking about "mechs" lmfao. Real mechs absolutely filter most humoids. Shoutout to my niggers naval combat and helicopters/vtol.

>>715264076
Idk a lot about the series but when I was hooked some years ago on DOS games I searched info about Mw2 Mercs and found some lunatic that did the entire campaign (it had two, I think?) with just a Firemoth with machineguns, aiming at the enemies' feet only

>>715251984 (OP)
This shit would rock in VR.

>>715270847
There were a few attempts at a VR mech game if I remember right but they all suffered from the same fate - indie dev with no budget and you absolutely would need budget to make a proper VR MechWarrior game.

>>715264715
No, this webm is specifically emulating the movement of mechs in another game which plays completely much more slowly.

>>715253904
>roll slop, big robots edition
why can't those japs make a new game at all

>>715270443
AI has shit tracking, the firemoth is the fastest thing in the game and destroying a single leg in MW2 completely disables the 'mech. What that guy was doing wasn't all that off-meta.

I've heard there's a VR mod for MW5, is it janky?

>>715276742
Its gotten better, shit is displayed on the ingame displays rather than a hud.

>>715251984 (OP)
my guess is that because it was PC exclusive and required decent hardware to play.
This scares the drooling retard consoletards very much thus dooming the series to be always a niche game.

>>715255753
>I WANT MECHS TO BE TWO LEGGED CHICKENS SLOWER THAN A TANK
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S POINTLESS AND I COULD JUST BE PILOTING A TANK WITH WHEELS INSTEAD?

huh, this thread is still up?

>>715262987
somehow I managed to beat this as a kid.
The zero g missions were so cool.

because you need to add 6000 mods for it to not be trash
mechwarrior is the skyrim of mech games, it's just a "well it could be good, if only ... was added"

the tabletop aspect of it is what keeps it back, and will forever keep it back

>>715252820
Literally all the mechwarrior games have this. Some you have to activate a mouse aim modifier on, but it is possible, even MWO and MW5.

The only mechs that ever made any sense at all were the ones with Infantry-levels of flexibility (i.e. can enter a damn building through the door) and light tank weaponry (i.e. more powerful than regular foot soldiers)

Everything else is anime slop or techno-babble bullshit that gets taken out via airstrike or tanks.

>>715279732
Its not as cool as a 100 ton 14 meter tall robot that runs with 64kph through the fucking building.

>>715251984 (OP)
The only one I played was Cyberstorm, which I liked a lot back then.
Never played the "normal" mechwarrior games, slow-as-fuck FPS don't do much from me unless it's tank/car combat.

>>715251984 (OP)
I personally hated the horde missions in MW5. If they had smarter AI that played more tactically so you'd get more out of fighting smaller groups maybe that game would have been better received.

>>715265905
I like doing this in VR. I have a button on my stick enable head aiming for the arms. It's nice to have lasers on the arms for when I need to look up and shoot down VTOLs. It's very immersive but definitely harder to play than using a mouse.

>>715276742
I like the mod, but my main worry is that it won't be updated for the new DLC as the mod itself isn't being developed anymore.

My dream mech/exosuit game would be something like this:

>>3rd/1st person power armor/exosuit multiplayer combat game
>set on the moon for low gravity shenanigan and cool space atmosphere
>where you get to fight in something like picture related, a large exosuit with multiple hardpoints for different weapon systems.
>Gameplay would be focused on movement, using Moon's craters etc for cover while rapidly boosting across open areas of making long leaps using your jet engine/jump packs. Additionally both using your own sensors to spot enemies as well as spoofing detection via flares, sensor jammers and just making massive clouds of moon dust as you race across the surface would play a large part in obfuscating your own movements/trying to spot enemies at distance.
>Heavy customization, sort of like in Armored core, ranging from weapons, different parts, like sensors, armor plating, booster jets etc and of course, paintjobs.
>Weapon range would include shit like heavy machine guns, missile and rocket launchers, laser weapons, railguns etc.
>heavy emphasis on both ammo and heat management, as overheating can be deadly on the moon, plus the hotter you are running the easier you are to detect at distance via your heat signature. Some weapons like lasers etc would have no ammo pool but instead would generate massive amounts of heat when fired, making you easy to spot.
>ablative armor plating forms most of your health pool, if your components lose their armor they are pierced, and potentially destroyed. Destruction of stuff like limbs can be survived but if your core part is destroyed you die because the pilot goes with it.
>story could just be some standard slhock about megacorporations using exosuit mercenaries to fight over prime realestate and various industrial sites etc on the Moon.

>>715277748
You're proving the issue with mechs on general. It's retarded having slow task mechs and equally dumb having super fast retarded mechs the size of buildings. Both are stupid.

The entire genre needs to die quicker than it is

There was a 11 year gap between MW4 and MWO. If you dont count the online-pvp-only entry, that jumps up to 17 years. The series was basically dead for most fans of it until the HBS BT game.

>>715251984 (OP)
>mech games
>made in the west
lmao

>>715253904
Depends on what it goes up against. If it fights some fucking Griffin, it's probably toast. If it fights a Pwwka or a Waneta, it's anyone's guess who wins, because those things are basically AC's, but faster.

>>715251984 (OP)
I don't know. I love MechWarrior and BattleTECH.

>>715253904
trannysouls will never be armored core

>>715264076
Jenners are fucking god-tier light mechs. As long as the pilot knows that they're doing, a Jenner will run circles around any other medium/heavy/assault mech, jumpjet over their cockpit and murder the enemy pilot.

Other lights are the only time Jenners might face a problem

>>715251984 (OP)
FASA ceased to exist? Nobody pushing the IP anymore

>>715279732
kys faggot

>>715251984 (OP)
Because weebs (troons) prefer mecha

>>715266498
>actually battletech mechs are like gundams!

I am heavily convinced this is a forced meme. Never, in any Battletech game, have mechs ever been able to move like that. They were always treated like walking tanks. Hell,they still are based on the recent games, so where does this mindset come from?

>>715251984 (OP)
The same as Halo.
It was popular at its height, got complacent and started making trash from different studios. People left.

IP owner got a cheap replacement to make low-budget new games but those clearly can't pull in anyone but the small cadre of people who don't mind shoddy graphics, zero innovation and a game built specifically to cater to the few diehard fans.

>>715288698
>so where does this mindset come from?
From knowing Battletech lore and actually reading the rulebooks and novels which make a big point of signifying how the difference between a good pilot and a shit one is the former basically controls the mech as if it was his own body while the latter moves clunkily, trips up all the time and vomits in the cockpit from motion sickness.
Comstar Mechlympics and the like.

>>715288698
>in any Battletech game
That's problem one. At least play the actual tabletop game to see what a Battlemechs full options are. You can't use the Atlas for the one thing its a god at and thats punching shit in MechWarrior.

>>715288698
Tell me, how many Gundam games are there where the mobile suits move just like they do in the shows? The answer is zero.

>>715290192
is that true? never played the tabletop, what are some other neat things in it?

>>715254040
sorta

>>715286748
It's has Armored core in the title

>>715290456
Another thing the tabletop has that the games don't are Land air mechs. Basically Valkrie expys. You can go from mech mode to aerospace fighter mode. There's also more melee options in the tabletop game like a mech being able to pick up a piece of terrain like a tree or street lamp to use as a melee weapon.

>>715290456

>>715290938
LAMs are a fucking mistake.

>>715251984 (OP)
piggy games is incompetent and scummy. i would trust EA with the ip over these subhumans.

>>715279732
Look, I like my Votoms, Wanzers, And Gears like you but they still have issues that don't make sense. Plus the immovable mountain and unstoppable force mechs have their power fantasy appeal.

>>715278761
>the tabletop aspect of it is what keeps it back
How so? In the tabletop game the mechs can do way more stuff than in the video games

>>715288698
>We did not copy our robots from those Japs o algo. Transformers is also 100% American

>>715291535
>i would trust EA with the ip over these subhumans.
I too unironically believe EA would do a better job. It would probably be some bombastic shlock more akin to MechAssault but still way better than the sorry excuse of a game both MW5s are.

>>715291739
>>the tabletop aspect of it is what keeps it back
Translation: "Heat, weapon cooldowns, ammo, more than one health pool/hit box is all too much for me to keep track of and deal with. Why can't it just be CoD, but with robots (titanfall)?" Don't listen to fags like this.

>>715292115
The problem is that EA would expect 5 million sales for a niche mech game. Titanfall is probably more popular than MechWarrior at this point and yet the series is still on ice.

Get literally anyone else other than pirannha to develop MW6. They can't design a mission or combat encounter to save their lives.

>>715292304
They'd only have to make one good MechWarrior game if it was a good basis for mods. Unfortunately numodders are all gayniggers who are either incompetent or won't do anything unless they're raking in $10k+ patreonbucks per month. Not to mention nugames are mostly unmoddable to begin with.

>>715291535
>>715291535
This. PGI is an extremely lazy studio that always does the bare fucking minimum. Mechwarrior still has a massive potential, it would take one good game - ie, something PGI are unable to do.

>>715292612
Most numodders come from the Bethesda background of making Piper sex mods. It's not the same skill set of total conversion mods that you'd see with Half Life or even just more maps and weapons for something like Doom and Unreal which is likely what MechWarrior would need. MW4 Mercs had more of the latter in just adding more 'mechs from lore and maps to play in.

Do Mechwarrior games have terrain destruction?

>>715290961

>>715293015
The MechWarrior clones always had cooler shit than the main games imo
>Shattered Steel
>Pic you posted
>Earthsiege 2
>pilotable planes
>Heavy Gear 2
>Stealth, crouching, melee, zero-g
And the thing that baffles me is that MechWarrior could implement all of it and still be Battletech accurate.

>>715290456
Melee in general is something that all the vidya (except the turn based tactics one) miss out on hard, every mech with a hand can and will use said hand to punch the cockpit open, grab the pilot, and squish them like a grape. And every mech with jump jets can and will dynamic entry dropkick your ass into the dirt.

>>715293435
>And the thing that baffles me is that MechWarrior could implement all of it and still be Battletech accurate.
You'd need a competent studio with a decent budget in order to do all of that

>>715293435
>And the thing that baffles me is that MechWarrior...
The sooner you realize Mechwarrior got made as a cheap IP-ified run of the mill Apache/Tank game and never strove to be anything more, the sooner you'll understand why the entire franchise never gave a shit.
These weren't games made by people with a passion for tech or games. They were cheap, easy to make and all they needed to keep up a veneer of high quality was pseudo-90s hollywood photos and live action bits.

>>715293506
>every mech with a hand can and will use said hand to punch the cockpit open, grab the pilot, and squish them like a grape
I'd hazard a guess even mechs with arms like the Mad Cat can and will use them to bludgeon another mech into submission. It is several tons of ferro and myomer after all.

>>715293872
Not even a decent budget, I mean these are all games from the 90s that don't have the luxury of a modern engine like Unreal. It really just needs someone that isn't PGI
>>715293928
I guess there aren't enough Battletech fans to tear these guys a new asshole then. It could absolutely be done.

>>715290456
One of the most startling things for me as a mechwarrior player moving to the tabletop is just how much more the RNG nature of it changes a lot of bad mechs into fucking nightmares.

>enemy Executioner with a targeting computer in MW = bitch machine
>enemy Executioner with a targeting computer in BT = pic rel

Check Engines of Destruction.

So what do people think about the upcoming Shadow of Kerensky DLC for MW5 Mercs? I've been suspicious of any Clan Invasion shit since piranha can only do one mission type and that's "throw an entire battalion of mechs piecemeal at your single lance." I don't really trust them to be able to create an authentic early invasion experience, especially one where you can plausibly survive.

>>715294490
I won't buy it

>>715294307
From the few screenshots on steam this doesn't seem to have proper arms for mechs which is fucking gay.

>>715294490
I will probably play through it with my friends but I wouldn't expect it to be any good for solo play.

>>715294687
It's more of a simulation. All buttons and elements in your cockpit are manually switchable, there's working IFF system, armor types against various weapons, and actual kinetic movement, not just retarded hovering around the terrain like in games from PGI.

>>715294074
Technically yes but it's much less effective. However there is one specific mech that I can't remember the name of where it has autocannon arms but they are specifically reinforced to act as bludgeons without damaging the weapon.

Eastern Mecha, Western Mechs? Thog dont care. Robots cool

>>715295037
This

>>715294917
Is it the Rifleman?

>>715295037
this

>>715294917
>act as bludgeons without damaging the weapon
King Crab?

love me my robots

>>715294917
That's the Marauder
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marauder

>>715294914
I understand what they want to do but the "stick on legs with weapons in the torso" which is what they're essentially trying to do with those tiny weapon pods instead of arms reminds me of the most tryhard, unfun dogshit in MechWarrior.

I played a lot of 4 online. CTF was fun and made different mech sizes actually useful.

>>715283152
that but give it the cogmind item treatment
>weapons, armor, locomotion, detection, stealth are all modules (core has very limited versions of locomotion and some armor)
>modules are all low health and will take more damage than core
>large part of gameplay consists of looting modules during battle to replace hot/damaged/destroyed ones behind cover
>have to adjust your playstyle on the fly to adapt to whatever your enemies brought
>large variety of builds with various tradeoffs (ammo vs heat, speed vs stealth, armor vs inertia, weapons vs tools, etc)

>>715294917
There's a bunch. The Zeus's arm missile launcher was designed the way it was so it could still be used to just fucking punch people in the face with it. A handful of the gun armed mechs had the "barrel fist" quirk in some rulesets which indicates the arms were over-engineered for melee combat.

What’s a good cheap joystick to play with MW5? I’m looking for a new experience I’ve played up to the Solaris DLC and I kinda don’t wanna do that all over but the clans DLC sounds like it’s gonna be cool as fuck

>>715295313
>>715295452
>>715295669
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/List_of_Design_Quirks#Barrel_Fist
I was mistaken, it's a generic design quirk that can apply to a number of mechs so they dont get the usual CC penalty for lacking a fist.

>>715296013
Stuff like that would be a natural fit for the concept. In general I just kind of would like to have a fast paced mech/exosuit game that featured locational damage systems and heavy emphasis on movement, sensor management and customization.

For me, it's Awesome.
Stalkerchads are also welcome.
Cl*nner shitters need not to apply.

>>715291739
everything is slow and clunky by design
someway somehow, nobody thought 'hey why not add some mechs with tracks?' because they felt like their gimmick was 'tanks with legs LOL LMAO'
no flying units either for the same reason
no infanty, no diversity in the objectives or threats you're facing, it's all just that one type of tank that someway somehow everyone uses across the entire galaxy, and then mechs, and then maybe a chopper here or there

all of this is due to them trying to stick to an obsolethe IP that isn't evolving because it's made for tabletop and thus doesn't face the same design limitations and/or freedom and/or needs that a video game does
playing a mechwarrior game feels like drudging through a D&D campaign with a stuck up shitty GM that can only stick to the rules of the book to an autistic point and neither has any imagination nor value it in any way shape or form

>>715251984 (OP)
>Why is mechwarrior not more popular?
Wh*teoid culture and wh*tes are going extinct.

>>715262987
An anon made that, haven't seen him post in a while though.

If you're still around mate you're a fucking legend.

>>715296693
You're talking out of your ass

>>715296693
>I have no idea what I am talking about the post

>>715296894
I'm not here to dissuade you, you absolute nigger
I gave my opinion, and thus I know it's true, you can cope as much as you want and enjoy this trash, but I don't see you proving me wrong

mechwarrior will never be popular and will never bring in any new blood because it can't evolve, many such cases in the vidya industry, a handful of autists willing to give them pity money isn't going to keep them alive much longer

>>715297237
Stating an opinion and lying is not the same.

>>715296693
What in the absolute fuck are you talking about?

>>715297342
He's stating an opinion that is uninformed. He's not lying, per se, but what he's saying is false. Like I said earlier, he can be safely ignored.

>>715297237
You do realize that there are infantry, vehicles, aircraft, jet fighters, space ships and even transformers tier land-air mechs in the tabletop battletech game right?

because you can't get the only mechwarrior games and the only real mechwarrior games you can get now are made by a b-team
if someone remade mw4 merc campaign with mwo/mw5 system i'd easily pay a lot of money for that

>>715297580
can't get the older* mechwarrior games

>>715296868
I used to be the one that would post the mediafire patch.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/bl0v0qbs4p3bvyi/HG2Patch.zip/file
The repack guys I think added even more content like some extra multiplayer maps and fan mod campaigns. All really cool stuff. I just really love the Heavy Gear stuff and wanted more anons to give it a try so it's cool to see more people try out these games in general.
Now if only someone would do the same for the linux version. It's a hassle to try and get it running on the steam deck and the windows version doesn't play nice with wine.

>>715251984 (OP)
I played megamek once with a friend, I piloted a Panther against Wasps and Locusts and had great fun. Panther is my favorite mech because of that.

>>715296675
>be brick that throws bricks
>literally never rendered obsolete
how does he do it

>>715297580
Considering the fact that there's a mod aiming to recreate Mech Assault, a mod to recreate the campaigns of the other games is very much a posibility. Editing some maps and placing the right units at the right spawn points shouldn't be that hard by comparison. I can't seem to find the mod, but I know it exists.

For me it's Lancer (Despite the fanbase)

>>715298519
it just werks. AWS is mech perfected, there's no further evolution. Just like sharks.

>>715298357
A lance of Panthers can be very deadly since you can focus your fire at pretty long ranges.

>>715296650
yeah, its a shame there arent many mech games (or any genre) that force consequential on-the-fly loadout changes. its usually you get to choose what you bring in and then you can keep using it and be effective throughout the match/level. maybe a game like this would need to have lots of weak ai enemies along with players like titanfall in order to give you the needed lootables. maybe you play as a higher paid shock troop or "backup commander" (and never actually get put in command so you dont have to babysit)

>>715298593
>Despite the fanbase
You can say that thrice. The devs and discord just make it seem like the worse mecha game to ever exist.

>>715298593
im sorry anon but you love a Tumblr Product

>>715298621
Yeah I really like the lance system in fights, like you're in a pmc battalion, supported by bazookas, apcs, infantry and whatnot, way better than solo mech on mech fighting

>>715266498
>Their weapons are roughly on par or better as well
LOL

>>715298593
>1st actual page of the core rulebook is this
I'm sorry anon, but it's not just the fanbase

>>715299027
A mobile suit's beam gun is equivalent to a medium laser. Battletech has far more devestating weapons on top of that.

>>715298798
There are and endless amount of mechs to play with and mix together to see what works well.
Easy in universe paring exist like the Centurion and the Trebuchet. The Centurion being a decently armored guard for the Trebuchet long range missile platform.
Sometimes its fun to play with bad parings so that you need to figure out how best to play with the mechs youve got.

>>715299234
Why would anyone in their right mind play this shit?

>>715298576
i just want to recruit unique mechwarriors and listen to them exchange bants as we blow away the enemy

>>715299234
>anthrochauvinist
???

>>715299695
tumblr speak for Humanity Fuck Yeah

>>715281553
you ever going to host again?

>>715299695
In the distant future of Magic Gay Space Communism, anthrochauvinism is believing in humanity's manifest destiny and shit.

>>715296693
>everything is slow and clunky by design
>someway somehow, nobody thought 'hey why not add some mechs with tracks?' because they felt like their gimmick was 'tanks with legs LOL LMAO'
>no flying units either for the same reason
>no infanty, no diversity in the objectives or threats you're facing, it's all just that one type of tank that someway somehow everyone uses across the entire galaxy, and then mechs, and then maybe a chopper here or there
The tabletop game has all of those things including mechs that can go up to 300 km/h.

>>715299892
Whats the point of playing a game in a suposed utopia anyway? Wheres the confict for the players to fight?

>>715299695
Supporting your own species is a chud dogwhistle, the species of trans gay furries is so morally superior you should just resign yourself to extinction.

>>715300036
Meanies that don't want to join the communist utopia
You play as Galactic Blue Helmets, bringing Peace and Democracy™ to the far reaches of the universe

>>715300036
The excuse is that you have all the nasty frontier places where Magic Space Gay Communism and it's post-scarcity haven't reached, and so it's your job to bring it to them whether they like it or not. No, this is definitely nothing like a concept of Manifest Destiny, stop asking questions.

>even /v/ mech threads get derailed by Lancer

>>715300283
I'd rather it be on /v/ than /tg/. My mech threads have been completely ruined by Lancer flamewars.

guys excited for next mw5 dlc? shadow of kerensky?

>>715300372
I mean, it'll likely reveal Mason as being a goddamn Wolverine so maybe.

>>715300372
>Hey do you want to punch clanners in the face?
Yes as long as I can use my beloved Ebon Jaguar

>>715297794
Aww yeah that's the one, really cannot thank you enough for your work getting it all running on modern systems. I'll check out the repack to for the added campaigns etc

>>715301028
No problem. Still holding out hope for some source code to Heavy Gear 2. iirc Interstate 82 also ran on the same engine. Hopefully it's not lost like the MechWarrior 2 engine is. I just wouldn't know who to contact and what legal BS would get in the way of having it released.

>>715299831
The other guys lost interest, but if the VR mod gets updated for Shadows of Kerensky I absolutely will.

>>715262449
This is a result of years of bad balancing decisions, getting doubled down on via clan tech.

Back during the closed beta, poptarting or hill humping was only viable on a select few maps with decent sight lines. And even then, it was just viable. Not your optimal strat.

>>715301894
cool, i couldn't make couple sessions and then you stopped posting. hope mod gets updated quick

>>715266464
>viable
From a BV standpoint in a one and done match.

From a campaign, cbills, planetary weather, terrain features... tanks are basically incredibly niche in their usefulness.
Especially if you are being hinest about after action reports where all your tanks with their motive crits dont magically get recovered from the battlefield.

>>715299357
>A mobile suit's beam gun is equivalent to a medium laser.
LOOOOOOL

>>715279732
> The only mechs that ever made any sense at all were the ones with Infantry-levels of flexibility (i.e. can enter a damn building through the door) and light tank weaponry (i.e. more powerful than regular foot soldiers)

In my opinion not even that. IRL even the simplest mech would be too expensive and fragile compared to specialized and more simple weapons. It doesn’t matter how advanced tech gets. This relationship will stay constant.

Don’t get me wrong. I think mechs are cool as fuck. But to this day the only work of fiction that “mech” sort of made sense was fucking evangelion because they’re not even real mechs and there was a genuine reason in-universe for using the mechs/eva over any other weapon. Basically for mechs to work we’d need something that relies on humanoid shape and literally nothing else works.

>>715299357
>>715302597
Where are you two getting your sources to even compare the two universes?

>>715303424
Gundam sometimes has published numbers for stuff but they're universally retarded in either direction. Like how a RX-78's powerplant only generates 950kW (the turbine on a modern Abrams does 1500kW)

>>715304282
That's what I'm wondering. At least Battletech has stats for mechs since its a wargame first but Gundam seems like it has 10 different stat sources that could vary in how the Beam gun in depicted.

>>715299357
i don't have a dog in this fight but one of the reasons the rx-78's beam rifle was a big deal is that until then that kind of weaponry could only be used on ships. the mass produced one could only use a weaker beam gun.
>>715290231
>Tell me, how many Gundam games are there where the mobile suits move just like they do in the shows?
in the canned counter attack animations of battle operations they move at the speed they do in the shows then control is handed back to the player and they move like clunky pieces of shit again

>>715283387
>equally dumb having super fast retarded mechs the size of buildings
Okay but doing one of these things is the kind of fun you can't have with a normal tank, faggot.

>>715288698
I am confused, has anyone actually watched the original UC Gundam series?
Because I went into the series thinking it would be agile type mechs and expecting to not really like it, but instead the mechs are slow as shit on the ground, they are only really agile in space which I thought was an interesting concept. That's pretty much it. Their ground combat stuff mostly has them acting like very tanky and slow mechs.
The whole idea of Gundams being fast in ground combat seems to only be a thing in some of the AUs like G Gundam.

>>715305748
They tend to pick up the pace post 0079. I remember them being more agile in Chars Counterattack. But yeah the super agile faster than light depiction seems to be more of a thing from stuff like SEED.

>>715287373
None of these are mecha fans though, not even that Eva faggot. All of these fags spend more time talking about identity politics in whatever anime they watch then actually discussing the geopolitics of a mecha anime about warfare.

>>715283387
I actually like both. I do have a strong dislike for when the mechs are so weightless and lack any actual feel of being a mech that they are just outright power armor, but likewise I outright dislike when the mech is just a walking tank. IMO there needs to be a balance. Both a speedy and slow mech needs to have something that keeps it grounded as a mech. It takes a good designer, creator and writer to make it happen.

>>715305921
CCA is mostly set in space, so of course they are more agile there. I barely recall there being any ground combat in CCA.
But you might have a point that even newer UC stuff seems to have fallen for making even ground combat Mobile Suits be fast on the ground, I think I saw some clips of Origin and Unicorn that made them much faster on the ground than they should be. But then again, I've yet to watch those.

>mw 1 and 2 is niche
>mw 3 is awesome and popular
>mw 4 is awesome and more popular but retards kill multiplayer by making unfun cancer boats
>mwo sucks up all the attention remaining, wrings boomers for all they're worth while dribbling out mediocrity for years and years until the franchise fades into obscurity
>mechwarrior living legends doesn't do enough marketing
>mw5 is good but suffers from the dark age of MWO
There, an abridged history for your question.

>>715305019
Yeah, that's why blanket statements are retarded.

>>715252047
they often are

>>715306478
Desu wasn't MW2 more popular than MW3. At least judging by the fact that MechWarrior 2 has like 50 different versions to choose from
>Pentium Edition
>3DFX Edition
>Titanium Edition
>Rape the Inner Sphere Edition

>>715300239
>Wasn't this trend called "White Man's Burden"? Where supposedly colonization uplift the primitives into civilized people, but in practice serve more to enrich the mother nation

>>715306478
MW5 isn't good

>>715254040
>So it's just Soulsborne but with mechs now?
yea, it's gotten progressively worse since 4

>>715262982
>underage redditor has shit opinions
didn't you get perma'd

>>715306478
>mechwarrior living legends doesn't do enough marketing
>10 players
It's sad that a better game than MWO is practically dea, even though it's free.

>>715301372
>iirc Interstate 82 also ran on the same engine.
There's a game I haven't heard talked about in a long time, Interstate 76 was probably my favourite game of all time as a little kid. Spent hours pouring through the manual and theory crafting different car configurations and the game itself just oozed character whilst also being a great sim.

>>715308823
I actually have yet to really sink my teeth into it. I have both games in my GOG account. Seems fun but for awhile I was mostly playing controller friendly games like AC6.

>decide to read some battletech books
>mfw they actually do shit like pic related and do it justice and build up to it with a bunch of surprisingly well written tactical military shit

>>715307002
yeah

>>715308940
Interstate 76 is a real gem, but it does have some pretty wild controls even for the era, it was very much Mechwarrior 2 if he 70's muscle car.

It'd probably play pretty well with a controller if you ran it through steam and made yourself a custom controller config for all of the core controls, you'd still have to use the keyboard for some misc things, dedicated poetry key, all of the cameras etc, but nothing major. Moment to moment gameplay could all be handled on a controller.

https://interstate76.fandom.com/wiki/Poems

>>715310395
Yeah I should give it a try. I wonder though if this is one of those games that would be better with an external wheel controller like how MechWarrior or flight games are better with a Joystick. For now I don't mind using the keypad.

>>715252131
Because the developer, PGI, is legitimately retarded. It's almost hard to believe that they managed to shit out the barely functional AI that they did.

>>715311710
As retarded as PGI is. They are the ones who stood up to Harmony gold and got the unseen mechs back

>>715251984 (OP)
MCW5 won't run on my laptop and I can't be bothered to look up how to run the older games

>>715277187
>pc exclusive
Mechwarrior 2: Sega Saturn, Playstation
Mech assault: Xbox
Mech assault 2: Xbox
Mech Assault: Phantom War: Nintendo DS
MW5 Mercs: PS4, PS5, Xbox
MW5 Clans: PS5, Xbox

>>715312368
MechWarrior 2 was purposefully watered down on Playstation. No lancemates as an example. The rest were built up for consoles.

>>715312494
>mw2 watered down to appeal to console tards
To be expected.

>>715312070
Because their livelihoods literally depended on scraping the bottom of the barrel for new mechs to sell. The only thing they had going for them was their mech designer.

>>715312768
Barrel scraping or not they did what fasa and wizkids couldn't do and got a shit ton of classics back from harmony golds robotech retardation

>>715297794
Did you get it working on the deck? I've tried a few times on linux machines but could never get it working without graphical bugs and crashing.

>>715312368
MW5 is on consoles because it's missing most of the simulation from the older games and mechanically is closer to mechassault than mechwarrior

>>715310395
>>715311310
The issue for me was getting the game running without broken graphics of physics. I remember I spent hours finding the right dgvoodoo version that worked for me and then more hours trying to adjust things to get the physics unfucked which I don't think I ever solved.

Someone had started a Unity port years ago but it was abandoned sadly.

>>715313443
Why lie?

>>715313197
Somewhat. It was a lot of trial and error. Before my Steam Deck I had a crappy laptop that ran Linux Mint. I recall using sdl12-compat which is an SDL1 to SDL 2 wrapper not too dissimilar to dgVoodoo. It would run and even some things about the linux version was better than windows like built in windowed mode and the shift binds actually working. What didn't work is the graphics still had this weird grid of lines everywhere. I also couldn't get the music to work as I don't think there was a way to dupe HG2s expectation of a CD drive.

>>715314701
Did you try a frame limiter? Heavy Gear 1 I remember freaking the fuck out unless it was capped at 30FPS. Though 60 FPS was okay. Maybe its a similar case. dgVoodoo these days has a built in frame limiter so no more MSI afterburner.

>>715313051
Yeah, they get credit for being willing to spend money in court and fuck HG in the ass for their copyright trolling.

Unrelated, but hoping nintendo gets to eat the same shit too.

>>715312768
they never came close to running out of mech designs with or without the unseen. I still remember the state of the mwo community in the early days. The oldfag grognards who now complain endlessly about MWO were the same people who relentlessly and hysterically demanded the unseen in the game in the first place and enabled pgi for a decade

>>715266498
Battletech mechs are snails compared to ACs

>>715315283
How is Harmomy Gold even allowed to exist still?

>>715316189
They still own enough IP's of somewhat decent repute that they monetize by licensing out to streaming services, and own a handful of Californian residential and commercial property they rent out. In the late 2010's it seems like they kind of realized that they don't have the kind of cash inflow they used to and they couldn't afford to keep litigating shit. So they went around burying as many hatchets as possible and have been basically just laying low for the last half decade or so now.

>>715316602
>and own a handful of Californian residential and commercial property they rent out.
God, they really are pure evil aren't they?

>>715315283
i have no great love for palworld but nintendo's bullshit makes my blood boil

>>715315432
>MWO
My stint in MWO lasted exactly long as it took to see gauss rifles had nerf gun projectile velocity before uninstalling. Game was totally assbackwardly designed in every way possible to cater to retarded backers ideas of balance. Mechwarrior isn't supposed to be balanced, some things are very clearly better than others for a reason. The universe has canonified metas in that bleeding edge technology and borderline medieval shit like longtoms exist and are still in use simultaneously.

>>715316813
Battletech/Mechwarrior is one of those settings where you kind of can't have your cake and eat it too. You either need to handicap the entire thing by having open mechlabs and try your ass off to balance all the tools players have which is impossible and will piss people off inevitably, or you lock out the mechlab and tailor every mech and variant the players can have to work within the confines of a more lore accurate but limited set of variables.

>>715316189
Its likely they have connections with the Italian mafia.
Those fuckers are the reason we won't see any macross media outside of Japan anytime soon.

>>715315229
It's been a couple years so I don't remember it all. Looking at the folder I seem to have some 25fps patched(?) .exe in there.

>>715317596
nigger, it's not 2008 anymore, the entire franchise is on fuckin disney plus lmao

>>715317427
Honestly as cool as open mechlabs are and as fun as it is to slap a bunch of lasers into a meta build and shit out an insane alpha strike (looking at you, Black Knight) I feel like maybe the game WOULD be better if everyone was locked to old man builds with mech quirks buffing weaponry to the level necessary for actually decent gameplay
But then you do sort of run the issue of "This variant of chassis has the undeniably best loadout, so no point in playing anything else ever" although you do sort of already get that where one variant of the Chassis has the best hardpoints and/or quirks and there's not much point running the other variants

>>715251984 (OP)
I had an opportunity to get Mechwarriors 5 and 5 Clans for the summer sale but I didn't and I regret it. I hear Clans even has a good story

>>715317930
You still cannot get the og or do you remember love

>>715251984 (OP)
I hope it stays that way. I don't want obnoxious secondaries seeping into the community like this coombrain >>715252047 for example.

>>715318382
I know for a while HG did something profoundly not retarded and had the original SDF1 for sale and up on streaming. Not sure if it still is. DYRL is unfortunately relegated to picrel

>>715318874
>coombrain
are you really gonna try and gatekeep a franchise that famously has scantily clad female pilots, and heaps of underaged child incest, from the coomers?

>>715318035
Why don't they just have closed varients that you can modify 1 or 2 things about it. Hell it could feed into an onlines economy by making rare varients to gamble and other shady online bs.

>>715302610
>But to this day the only work of fiction that “mech” sort of made sense was fucking evangelion because they’re not even real mechs and there was a genuine reason in-universe for using the mechs/eva over any other weapon
It's worth noting that it's not like non-Eva units did nothing either. They did their part to try to slow down the Angels, but the setting was designed such that the nature of the AT fields made it so Eva units were the lynchpin of the whole defense.

This entire thread can be boiled down to pic related

>>715315229
Yeah the version I used had to be fps capped and it had an issue with being too W I D E. webm related.

>>715321041
>That gear spazing the fuck out in the menu.
That's why a framecap is nice. Also i recall dgVoodoo having various resolution options that you can tweak to get real 4:3. Though I'm not sure if you'd have to stop having forced native resolution to do it. You could try looking in the config program.

>>715321261
Yeah I had to tweak settings but I did get it working eventually. No more fat and short gears or wheels failing to grip because fps was 9000

>>715320717
My dream of MWO was always something like that. An actual live player driven mech and merc economy, higher tonnage machines are expensive and rare. Lostech is actually rare and exciting, rare mechs actually rare based on the year or part of the world map you're on. Customized machines are expensive as fuck to overhaul, encouraging the average player to be conservative, or maybe stick to the standardized models. This would encourage people to stay in a lane but also once they're rich enough start dabbling in the customization game. Also it would make auctions and contests for rare custom machines more attractive.

>>715288698
In Battletech, mechs can kick, punch, go prone, wield hatchets and katanas and shit. They can pick up tree limbs or dismembered mech limbs and wield them as clubs.
The Mechwarrior games have poisoned the imagination of westerners because the early games only depicted mechs with basic torso twisting, arms locked forward with no melee or interactions, and later developers barely bothered to build past that. Walking tanks is the meme, maybe only a fraction of BT's mechs strictly behave like that.

Mechs fear the Savannah Master
>Small
>Fast as fuck
>Cheap as hell
>Has a single medium laser
>Can deploy a mountain of em and wipe out any army at a fraction of the cost
Just shows how terrible the balance is. Everything is a sidegrade and tech doesnt actually advance anyway.

>>715321968
>melee combat: exists
>Assassin pilots

>>715261738
I think the solution would be to lean harder into the in-universe mechanics. It'd puss a lot of people off, but dealing with stability (which is a huge factor in-universe) and wrangling tracking and targeting systems would go a long way to making it feel like a proper evolution of "realistic" mech combat. Making the mechs more fluid and less tank-like without going overboard into skating anime robots would help a lot too. Mechs can dodge, go prone, and tackle both on tabletop and in the fiction. No reason they can't try to incorporate that into gameplay somehow.

>>715262449
>>715261738
At least people in MWO mostly play in brawler maps on pubs. I do agree, though, there needs to be some kind of way to prevent long range, high damage weapons out-competing everything else.

>>715323410
You're basically describing how Steel Battalion 1 played. Which honestly would be a great place to start for a new Mechwarrior game from a gameplay perspective. Maybe speed the gameplay up a bit, and add more cockpit intractability.

>>715323569
Maps themselves to that a lot of the time. One of the problems with MWO though is that the comp scene is fucking dead and 90% of the players are just solo qued in quick match, so the games play out like loose brawls where almost nobody is willing to maneuver, or make co-ordinated plays to break gun lines, so most rounds wind up being everyone pot shotting from across a long narrow sight line until one side winds up with a tonnage advantage from attrition and then a round ending brawl breaks out. The matches need way more objective structure, and more ways to incentivize teamwork between lancemates and lances themselves.

>>715321968
What battle is this depicting?

>>715300372
Fuck yeah. I do have some concerns. Once I install it, do I start fighting madcats every mission on the other side of the inner sphere? Easy to fix though, just uninstall the dlc. MW5 is kinda unique. They can just keep adding DLC forever and keep expanding the timeliness. Don't forget to download Coyote's mod and get your second Lance, tanks and air support.

>>715321534
Basically Eve but I don't know, I would hate to spend months earning a rare Assault mech and then I actually sortie my decked out Lostech monster and get swarmed by a clan of people in relatively stacked mechs and all of my hardwork evaporates in a few minutes
This kind of thing happens in Eve, and their playerbase seems to be fine with it, but I would drop the game after that and never touch it again

>>715255753
iunno looks pretty fun in my eyes

>Mechs have a star under the pilot's ass
>This means that even at their fastest, they can MAYBE go faster than a family sedan if you take everything out of the lightest mech and put the largest engine in it.

>>715302610
>>715320952
Please refrain from mentioning that psued reddit trash in this mech thread. Thank you for your compliance in not being a homosexual.

>>715318326
MW5C is incredibly fun. One giant "issue" battletech has, and so therefore so does MW5:mercs has, is that a lot of mechs are just plain shit or designed for things that don't exist in game. The Spider scout mech is a great example. You'd basically never use it in MW5, but you can see that in-canon it'd be a great scout mech. Fast, JJ, enough weapons to kill some hovercraft or infantry but dogshit versus mechs. Lore-wise any mech is 11/10 must have due to treaties. So the inner sphere is full of these shitty scout mechs, AA mechs, early built mechs that just aren't efficient, etc. alongside real efficient combat mechs like the Awesome. In MW5C you take vastly superior mechs and get to fight these inner sphere mechs, shitty scout mechs and all. It's a real power fantasy. Mercs is a better overall game but damn, putting down like 40 mechs in one mission no sweat in MW5C is just so much fun. Clans is story driven like all other non-merc games. Once you've finished the story it's basically over. Mercs never really ends and has a ton more going on.

>>715324385
Maybe like half as autistic and time consuming as EVE but a step in that direction.

>>715325179
a lot of the clan omnimechs are like that in the most recent MW game. On tabletop a bunch of them are terrifying rape machines, but in a game like mechwarrior they're 2 alpha strikes from losing both arms and having to fall back on a small laser in the head.

>>715325170
Nah blow me

>>715325320
Where's a good download for the PDF of the wargame? When I check the piratebay I find a torrent with books from like 15 years ago

>>715325320
Yeah I don't understand the balance decisions in MW5C. Take an Atlas in MW5M, my custom maxed out armor version doesn't really have all that much more armor than stock. But in MW5C my custom vulture has double over stock. As a whole I think the clan mechs are vastly under armored. I can only assume this was for some type of balance or game play reason.

>>715325740
https://battletech.com/game-downloads/ snag the first pdf from their site, the Mercs rulebook

>>715290231
SDGO
Sega Saturn Blue Destiny

>>715251984 (OP)
>Why is mechwarrior not more popular?
For it to be popular it'd need to have modern good games, the last 'decent' mechwarrior game was MW4 which was back in the stone age and had it's own list of issues.
Mechwarrior is a perfect example of an IP that is deliberately kneecapped for some ulterior purpose, and I hope we figure out why.

>>715251984 (OP)
Normies took over gaming. Look what games bring most money (liveservice engagement farm games like Fortnite, CoD, FIFAs) and you will see that gaming has been on decline for at least 18 years now. The closure of GameSpy servers should've sent MASSIVE red flag to gamers, THAT should've prompted the "stop killing games" movement, but it didn't, because gaming sphere is now filled with normies who don't even like the hobby.

>>715327052
Blue Destiny would be cool with a PC port.

>>715328189
>Unfortunately need to talk to normies
>BRO YOU LIKE GAMES!? ME TOO! I PLAY *list of five live-service normie-slop games*
>WHICH ONES DO YOU PLAY?
>Unfortunately have to list shit like Rule the Waves 3, Trespasser, Dwarf Fortress, a little bit of War Thunder
>*Visible confusion.jpg*

>>715328452
just emulate it.

>>715313051
God i love how stupid the scorpion looks. Shame they will never officially be in a game.

>>715328548
Desu, I purposely say the known slop games I like. A normie will know what a Titanfall is, but not Starsiege.

Just came in here to simply say MechCommander was one of my favorite games.

>>715328629
I want mouse aim instead of auto-aim or shitty gamepad aim.

>>715329125
Playing Battletech 2018 made me realize how much I took the mission variety for granted.
No two levels play out exactly the same. I will never forget racing to capture a lightly defended base only to watch my new sensor net blink out one by one as reinforcements approach. Or battle my way through a grueling city fight only for one of the game's handful of Madcats to ambush me atop a hill at the evac point.
Between the variety of the campaign, the incredibly ambitious opening FMV, the pilot callouts and sound effects that have been burned into my head, and the big beefy instruction booklet that I used to pore over, it easily holds a top spot as a nostalgic favorite.
I'd love a remaster to smooth out some of the rough edges that are much more noticeable in the modern day, but judging the state of the rest of the franchise I don't think it's ever likely.

>>715251984 (OP)
it has soulless westoid "mechs" that doesn't utilize any of its aspects properly
being based on tabletranny garbage was just the final nail in the coffin

>>715330435
Man your making me itch to play MechCommander again. How troublesome is it to get both games running? And where do I download.

>>715330579
Pretty sure they're both on My Abandonware. The first one runs right out of the box on Win 10. Don't know about 2 though.

>>715252047
are there mecha games with cute girls?

>>715330579
>>715330761
Look up Mechcommander Darkest Hour on moddb for the first MC. Original campaign plus expansion and some custom missions, but more importantly updated resolutions and stability fixes

With how autistic mech people are I'm surprised we don't have more indie mech games that are first person

I like MWO, but I hate how unironically soulless the designs could be at times.

>>715251984 (OP)
MWLL could've been bigger than it was if the community wasn't a bunch of annoying faggots (especially Battuta)

>>715253904

Probably but platforming sections will be a pain : https://youtu.be/-N5Hj3TbINM

the series is 2old4me and I do not trust Piranha Bytes enough to assume MW5/Clans aren't shit.

>>715331036
there's psycho patrol r from the cruelty squad guy, but it's kind of shit

>>715294917
That's the Enforcer.

>>715331645
It's a mix. I'm not sure there's any one source that I can get behind 100%. I think they've got the best Shadowhawk and Griffon to name a few, but a lot of the IS assault mechs especially are missing their charm. Even stuff like the Centurion, which I think looks amazing in the concept art, is ruined by the tweaked proportions necessitated by competitive hitboxes. Come to think of it a lot of mechs with good concept art come off as blocky and awkward when translated into actual 3D models.
They're also all way to damn big. I don't understand PGI's instance that every mech is nearly twice its canon height. Buildings are supposed to be obstacles mechs can take cover behind or dodge in between, not set dressing to be towered over or waded through without any thought.

>>715332870
>They're also all way to damn big. I don't understand PGI's instance that every mech is nearly twice its canon height. Buildings are supposed to be obstacles mechs can take cover behind or dodge in between, not set dressing to be towered over or waded through without any thought.
Probably to better sell the idea that they're mechs. Even if it makes them woefully undergunned for their size.

Atleast they ignored multiplayer conventions and gave us the coolest looking version of the Marauder II. Unironically looks cleaner than even the tabletop design

>>715251984 (OP)
Mechwarrior or Battletech in general? Battletech has a good amount of die hard fans that catalog everything about the universe and lore, it's still getting books, tabletop development, and sits in that perfect place between alive enough to come into as a newcomer and enjoy the community but not so big that it's got a cancerous fanbase. Even the suits know better than try to turn it into something with mainstream appeal.

As far as the Mechwarrior video games though, they're primarily the domain of old dad gamers that want something close to a sci-fi tank sim. If games like War Thunder and World of Tanks already had a small audience due to their gameplay when they're in a WW2 setting (Which is relatively popular among a broad number of young and old men), moving it to sci-fi made it even smaller.

>>715251984 (OP)
It was better before they made the non-mechs actually do serious damage to your mech.
They used to be just fun fast targets and things to step on, now they'll rip all your armor off before you even see a light mech.

>>715264076
I have a max speed Flea in MWO, but it's not really designed for direct combat. It has a handful of lasers, but the big selling point is that it has 3xLaser AMS, so those retards who sit exposed to missile fire won't die if I catch them being retarded.

When I first used it, I realized I would kill myself due to overheat if I didn't toggle some of them off during sustained barrages.

>>715262449
It is incredibly funny to me that players given a free hand experimenting, the "meta" converged into an almost simulationist reproduction of a tank. There is certainly something to learn from here. I wish we could get a milsim game with loads and loads of wacky options and tools and weapons with the current novelties like drones and shit thrown in and a good playerbase, so we could see what people cook up that might have practical application. I remember literally this happening with the german military staff of the 30s, playing with their tabletop games as war planning and kept noticing how tanks are "broken" and completely mess up their training for a rematch of WW1.

>>715267430
Honestly, I like the part of the lore that deals with that. There were eras where mercenary houses ruled the day and then they were gradually phased out as Great Houses built up their own. Basically the mercenary forces start to rise and become more common as the galaxy gets more fucked up and splintered and fall back into obscurity once peace starts to become the norm.

This partially mirrors some of Europe's history between feudal levies and mercenary companies for some of European history, it took a long time to move from that to professional armies and even in the grand scheme of history, professional armies haven't been around for very long. Further, not every planet has the population, industry, or organization to actually field a professional army in Battletech, and those same planets usually aren't important enough to justify a serious attachment from whatever central government claims them--it's a lot easier for the FedSuns to get a message from a planet about their problems and just cut them a check to pay some local mercenaries to solve it than it is to send a rapid response numerous star jumps to deal with a relatively small incursion.

Further, a lot of Great Houses probably like this state of affairs, their major solar systems with most of their population have to be treated better than backwater mining colonies. Don't want those distant colonists getting too independent now.

The series has become firmly "only worth playing when highly modded", particularly when you wrangle it back to canon. Canon mech sizes so bugs are actually small, 50% mech armor all around so you don't have to shoot every fucker a hundred times, and 125% or so speed value so they actually move like combat vehicles and not plodding dipshits. Also increase the rare part appearance rate, you never find fucking anything otherwise. MW5 without yaml is straight up not worth playing.

Also battletech is an anime game.

>>715333491

>>715262449
>>715334187
90% caused by restricted movement and pinpoint accurate weapons. If they actually let you move and made targeting a lockbox with a loose aiming cursor you'd suddenly have a much stronger ability to approach and fight in any other way than corner peaking.
No shit a bunch of turrets on wheels turn back into tanks, frankly.

>>715251984 (OP)
they killed the last one (like 10-12 years ago?) by
>making it extremely pay2win
>only giving you 3 lives and forcing you to sit and watch a 45min match of 2 last survivors trying to snipe each others or else you get banned for abandoning matches
>it only had like 3 maps

>>715332103
Mercs is fun
Clans is shit

>>715258871
Mechwarrior is usually like a Tank game with more things possible thanks to Science Fiction.

What other games have space missions besides Heavy Gear 2?

>>715252047

>>715312368
>had to bring the nds to make a point
lmao

>>715334815
Didn't read, but I looked at your picture so I know you're retarded and gay.

>>715335364
Ghost Bears Legacy, but you'll fucking hate it. Other than that not really. For the mech sim games anyway but I can't recall an eastern mecha game that has space stuff either weirdly enough. Maybe a Gundam game has full space combat.

>>715335602
Making me the victor. I like battletech more than you do.

>>715335576
> 1748973132002424m.jpg
>m.jpeg
>m
Anon.... When using your phone use the arrow near the pic and select view original image before saving. Your messing with the image resolution and saving a smaller version.

>>715251984 (OP)
Surprised to see this thread reach 350 post

When we had "Mechwarrior 3" it was ok to have a tank gameplay with extra heat management. A shame 70% of the features like C3 computer were not used.

But MW4 and even MW5 only reduced complexity to be more showy. That and MWO/5 turning the franchise into a F2P P2W game.

Nowadays players expect more excitement than that.
Mechwarrior is the glorified adaptation of a tabletop game where battlemech were just one unit among several, not even mech.
The only way to solve this would be to give complexity in movement, electronic warfare, multi-players cooperation with weapon used to tag a target for another player.
And good luck with that as coop is incredibly hard to encourage in the targeted public.

There's no future for Mechwarrior.
You are better making a new franchise from scratch, away from the grubby hand of Harmony Gold.

Ouch!
aw awww awww

>>715335634
I think there's some eastern ones where the mecha is basically a space ship.

>>715335692

>>715335768
I'll take any 3D sauce. The only other mecha game I can recall right now having space missions is Assault Suit Valken and they kinda suck desu

>>715251984 (OP)
Anyone has that Mechwarrior pack which had all 4 MW (+expansions) prepackaged and tweaked to run on modern systems?

>>715335364
>>715335935
Check out gundam encounters in space. It's a fun duelling/panzer dragoon type action game with a lot of space content.

>>715335973
I used to on an old drive, but it died recently.
I swear that repack got nuked off the internet the moment it started gaining traction. For an abandonware franchise it sure seems like someone wants it to stay gone.

>>715305748
>I am confused, has anyone actually watched the original UC Gundam series?
I did,
Then again, newer gundam have a bad habit of making everything hovering or flying, even in UC.
Source Battletech is still definitly equivalent in movement and agility to Gundam. It's only the clunky tank-control that make players think otherwise.

>>715335935
Strike Suit Zero is the one I was thinking of. It struck me as a game where it being a mecha is only on visual level.

>>715335715
>When we had "Mechwarrior 3" it was ok to have a tank gameplay with extra heat management. A shame 70% of the features like C3 computer were not used.
You just stick the longest ranged energy weapon you can on it and shoot legs exclusively. The AI needed to be more mobile, and the player needed weapon and/or torso target locking so they could run and shoot without losing too much accuracy. Even in MWO online, you pretty much stand still and shoot unless you're in a speedy light mech.
>Picture
The Timberwolf is a bad example of a Battletech mech, ironically. It has plenty that superficially resemble the funny humanoid mechs, they're just not as articulate since they're not made out of complex arrangements of artificial muscle fibres intended to resemble human musculature, the Battletech tech has more realistic limits than japanese magic robots.

>>715335973
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechwarrior/comments/7y3twy/how_to_run_all_mechwarrior_4_games_on_windows_10/

>>715335715
One of the things that playing mechwarrior made me realize is that mechs without jointed heads kind of suck ass. Every time you get attacked by aircraft or just offscreen in general you have to start swinging your entire fucking torso around to look for them. Having a separate camera head that can quickly sweep is so much better. It's fucking hilarious that "erm why does it have a head?!?" is one of the common interrogations for stuff like gundam when it's immediately obvious why you'd want that.

Still love headless mechs but man, it's not a winning stance when discussing who's more realistic.

>>715293506
>And every mech with jump jets can and will dynamic entry dropkick your ass into the dirt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC4qgWvvYCg

>>715267839
Fuck off blondy, it's democracy that conquered the stars. It held your crumbling imperialism at bay while you were helped by space plutocrat.
Your legacy is literally cancer.

>>715268259
>it's impossible to arrange elections at that scale and with that many disparate cultures
Are you stuck in the 17th century?
Literally, all you need is fast communication and even the monarchy-wank setting of LogH had that.

IMO you cannot even have a space civilization without fast transport or those sent away from all the cool stuff to colonize, would discover that another group launched on a faster/FTL ship later and you are now unwelcome immigrant.
In fact, one could even argue the mentality of "colonist" are people who HATE current civilization and believe it will be better if they go elsewhere where it's legal to kill the people they don't like.

Instead of the current kind of colonist who just needed local resources, built a tourist trap and now it's a cultural melting pot with aliens.

>>715305748
>I am confused, has anyone actually watched the original UC Gundam series?
I don't see how most people don't, seeing as it's the best one.

>>715335805
for anyone interested sauce is Under The Witch
https://kemono.su/fanbox/user/17774908

>>715295037
love me robots

>>715295391
Escaflowne was pretty brutal despite not coming across as a very violent show.

>>715251984 (OP)
Early Mechwarrior games were niche games during the niche period of PC gaming. Current Mechwarrior games are just mediocre FPS games in a market where people are seeking niche games.

>>715293015
mw3 did

>Add melee
>Let the Atlas rip parts off other mechs and beat them with it
It may not revolutionize the gameplay, but it'd at least be entertaining.

>>715265000
Based
I've only built two of their kits so far, they are a lot harder than say modern bandai but look really sharp

>>715337461
Oh yeah, i forgot you could nuke craters in MW3. I don't think it compares to Shattered Steel though as the environment I'm sure is all voxels.

>>715296675
That's nice, but I like the Battlemaster better.

>>715253916
>What happened to this board?
We got old, man.

>>715269845

I laughed hard at the fat female muslim character in the headscarf in Battletech game. This universe is meant to depict human culture a thousand years from now, and Chinese and Japanese cultures have been completely smashed together into some sort of orientalist nonsense, but muslims still exist and adhere to their medieval bullshit for some reason.

>>715264076
Fire moth

>>715279732
>>715302610
>IRL mecha
You guys just don't have enough imagination and are stuck with the current doctrines and OLD war lessons.
Even as we discovered that tanks are obsolete, that drone are also expandable against any air-defense, and so on.
Eventually we will have AI-turret that instantly one-shot incoming drones, missiles and unprotected soldiers.

I could justify manned mecha on Earth, but it's easier with a space setting.
- low gravity is horrible for wheeled/tracked vehicles
- in 0 gravity you can't even move without propellant unless you grab and push
- on new planet you do not have 1000y of roads building to help you
And if your civilization is fragile enough that any damage will kill millions, you can even justify very close combat.

>Basically for mechs to work we’d need something that relies on humanoid shape and literally nothing else works.
I'm sorry to tell you but that's just you being retarded.
It's not even the humanoid part, that's EASY to justify as soon as you can do reliable bipedal balance, and arms are useful.
The retard part is you thinking mecha are distinct units using alien-tech instead of the result of the technological level of everything else.

>>715298652
Nta but nah, that just takes me out of it. Changing mech load outs would take a long time and not viable during active engagement. Perhaps if you had longer mission structures that incorporated logistics and transport aspects.
Dropping held weaponry would be kinda doable as a desperate measure but would come with serious ammo constraints and be very temporary

>>715335715
I really want to see Mechwarrior get a proper reboot.
Something closer to lore, faster and more nimble mechs with WASD controls. Maybe even space combat.
Also redesign some old mechs to more believable and practical designs so you don't get flimsy chicken walkers and everything looks properly myomer'd up.

>>715325170
Evangelion is cool.
Overrated but really cool. I wish we had a more gritty-adult game where you know you control the body of a godlike alien creature you barely understand.
Could imagine the gameplay involving a synchronization with you loosing control the more damage you take.

>>715251984 (OP)
Because nobody likes chicken walkers and glorified tanks on legs

>>715336912
>Literally, all you need is fast communication
You are a retard. You would be arranging elected representatives for local, regional, state, nation-state, planetary, star system, stellar region and beyond areas of fucking space, encompassing many, many, MANY more billions of individuals with even worse political polarisation that you see at the nation state level today. Democracy does not work at that scale, you cannot disseminate news at that scale, you couldn't hope to keep a single percentage of people informed enough to make good decisions. We can't even manage democracy at the fucking nation state level, you are beyond optimistic if you think it's possible at a global scale, let alone interstellar. Communication isn't the problem, it's the massive game of telephone from the constituency to the head of state.

>>715336373
dude just place sensors all around your mech lmaoooo

>>715336195
>You just stick the longest ranged energy weapon you can on it and shoot legs exclusively. The AI needed to be more mobile, and the player needed weapon and/or torso target locking so they could run and shoot without losing too much accuracy
MW3 was a OLD GAME. That level of AI was simply too sophisticated for the time and it's incredible it even had the landscape it had.

>The Timberwolf
Die clanner
>is a bad example of a Battletech mech, ironically. It has plenty that superficially resemble the funny humanoid mechs,
You can say that of 70% of the battlemechs. They all use "arms" to have "fine targeting".
Every rules in Mechwarrior are arbitrary for gameplay, and since it was easier to code tank-control we don't even get cross-country mecha kino.

>Battletech tech has more realistic limits than japanese magic robots.
Battletech are no different from japanese magic robots, we must stay honest, especially since the best BT designs are in fact from the Jap.

>>715338118
thought that said chicken waffles. Like speak for yourself

>>715336373
The mechs have radar, how are you being surprised by flanking attacks?

>>715251984 (OP)
The only simulation games people care about are sports sims. Everything else is too complicated for modern audiences.

>>715252080
>kill civilian (read: guerilla fighter)
>immediately salvage 4 weapons

My last mechwarrior was 3 back on release. I always wanted to try another one, but I never really got the chance to explore the genre and now I don't know which one of the modern ones to choose. Which one has the best story\gameplay ratio? I'm not interested in online features

>>715338848
How modern because I'd say play MW4 Mercs.

>>715338848
Battletech with the roguetech mod

>>715338264
dude ancom lmaooo

>not gaming on Brigador

>>715338551
Aircraft start shooting at you before radar picks them up. Also radar is spotty, I dunno if it's directional or what but I've had mechs just blip up on radar beside me. Or it's a spawning issue, which is a much bigger problem.
>>715338357
They should, which gundam also does, but they just don't.

>>715338960
I didn't play 4, if you say that is a must i'll give it a try if I can get it to run on w10. Is 5 bad or should i get that too?
>>715339045
Isn't that a rts? I'd like to play a 1st person mech sim

>>715339090
>duhhh, you must be [insert political enemy]!
The future is either feudalism or a confederation of a billion different political entities scattered across half the galaxy, assuming we even make it out of this century without starting a nuclear war. Anyone with two brain cells and even a passing historical awareness knows you can't govern that many people with a democracy without going full tilt autocracy or letting everyone rule themselves however the fuck, it's just not possible over such distances, that's why across most of history, nearly every nation was autocratic, even the greeks dropped democracy and they fucking invented it.

>>715299234
What's the fucking point of going into the future when it's this gay?

>>715338264
By your ""logic"", we would never have left the middle-age.
To me you just have a bad case of anarchist mindset where you can't cope with complexity so you hope for a single leader with big hands to make it simple for you by NOT giving you a choice.

You do not even follow your logic to its own conclusion because the reason you give "democracy bad!" imply it's also impossible to have a dictatorship on a galactic scale. The "one on top" would have no real control over twenty level of delegation.
The idea of dictatorship making super-project is just a trope to make stories more fun. It's not reality as big ass project like these are done better by democracies, because they won't be made to satisfy the hubris of a single person.

>a single percentage of people informed enough to make good decisions
Obligatory "as opposed to a dictator and his clique?". You clearly aren't well informed.
Anyway, I would actually expect better informed people the more difficult it becomes to tailor craft a lie if there's many distinct "culture".
A dictator would in-fact try to make the whole population into a single culture of slave.

>>715339268
>I'd like to play a 1st person mech sim
Then merc 5 with the yaml collection and vonbioms and whatever flavor you want sprinkled in. For my tripple Monitor/hotas setup i like the advanced fov and camera position mod. So people really like the coyote mission packs for the combined arms aspect but i personally only like that sorta stuff in BT and TTP

>>715339272
Why have big nations in the first place, then?

>>715252293
well it's a good thing the thread is about mech games, not mecha games

>>715339314
dude just make your own rational and sensible version of lancer lmaooo

>>715339372
You completely misunderstood what I was getting at, I wasn't saying "democracy bad" as a fundamental, just that its flaws scale up exponentially with the size of the population compounded by the expanse of the area that population is living across. This is observable today, just in nation states, where there is increasing polarisation between people who live barely a couple hundred miles away from each other, you can see it in elected representatives who come forward from a different social strata from their constituents and thus have their own agendas and priorities.

It barely works at the scales we have it at, and that's with us trying really, really hard with lots of checks and balances involved, and we've still got autocrats shitting things up. You look at space, which has an area and potential population capacity a billion-fold and think "Nah, I'd win."? You're dreaming, and I wish your dream were real, but it's just not realistic.

>>715339584
dude just scale down lmaooo

>>715339268
MW5 isn't bad but MW4 is just really good. Best played with a Joystick too. Also it runs pretty nicely on modern systems.

King Crab is the GOAT

>>715339462
Thanks man, I don't understand half the things you said but I'll save your recommendations. Should I play through the vanilla game before starting to mod it or is it better if I start spicing things right from the beginning?

starsiege is better
better plot
cooler guys
no retarded torso twist
shield rotation instead
toeshots

>>715339781
>no retarded torso twist
Nah, the weird cursor aiming is just, well weird. but I do agree with everything else human\\animal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR5TVxXN6Oo

>>715339462
>advanced fov and camera position
NTA but I'm interested in this, what's it called?

>>715338848
The only modern mechwarrior is 5 and Clans
>Which one has the best story\gameplay ratio?
What's the ratio you want, linear game that has a story? Play MW5Clans. A game that barely has a story and is just a sandbox? Play MW5Mercs
My personal advice is to NOT play modern mechwarrior and go play MW4 like that anon is suggesting

>>715334815
>50% mech armor all around so you don't have to shoot every fucker a hundred times
Mechwarrior games needing a lot more hits to take out mechs makes them fun, because without fucking Morrowind diceroll attacks, every battle would last about 10 seconds tops.

>>715339738
If you can stomache god awfull ai, like pants on head retarded in a non endearing way go vanilla campaign first then career with mods.

>>715310395
>Interstate 76
Got the gog version. Applied some patch that's supposed to fix everything. As soon as there's some uneven piece of road (so almost all dirt roads) the car just instantly snaps to the ground and it's nauseating to play like that. Are those cars supposed to drive like that?

>>715339646
>>715339862
Thanks, I think I'll try 4 before going into 5, otherwise I think I'd spoil myself
>>715339914
I'll mod it right from the start then. Thanks

>>715339851
In The Pit - A BattleMech Cockpit Mod
This should be the right one.

>>715337774
Love that pic. Need more mecha art inspired by recent developments in robotics.

>>715339912
I'd like to see giant robot Ghost Recon if all the other elements were designed to support it.

>>715339570
Can't wait for them to write their own version of 'A pickle for the knowing ones' about how I'm racist.

>>715339912
Maybe if the game had half the spawn rate and it was a real duel style game, but every second mission involves killing five hundred bugmechs. Increasing the movement speed makes them hard enough to hit that they're still a fun challenge.
Urbanmechs are a fucking blight even if you just take off their weapon and leave them behind, you wind up with a dozen limbless trashcans waddling about. It's painfully slow if you actually have to clear the battlefield of them for objectives.

>>715340351
I admit MW5 is absolutely ludicrous where every small mission has you up against a planetary-garrison-sized army of various vehicles.
Do these retarded devs not realize a single Demolisher tank is comparable to a heavy mech???

>>715259549
100% agreed.

People who want mecha to be nothing but grey and brown boxes on legs baffle me.

>>715340317
You guys know you can not play Lancer right? There's other mecha ttrpgs.

>>715340438
>just don't play it!
Maybe you should stop breathing, because straight white men do it too.

>>715251984 (OP)
if I wante to play a tank game Id be playing warthunder. and I dont like warthunder
plus "lasers" being the main weapon type sucks, reminds me of laser tag
>>715252047
>It would be more popular if the mechs were piloted by hot women with big tits.
>mfw battletech, an extremely niche game for 80's nerds, has pronouns and girlbosses

>>715288698
Mechwarrior =/= Battletech, it simply isn't and never was (and probably never will be).
Even the fucking X-Com-lite game, that at least has the actual name of the setting/game, is mirroring Mechwarrior, instead of Battletech.
The closest a "Battletech" vidya ever got to the source (outside of MekTek which is just an actual VTT and simulator of the TT game, so barely counts as vidya) in terms of showing off the mechs' capabilities was the Mech Assault games on XBox.
YES Battletech mechs are japanese mechas, ffs most of the designs are straight up rip offs of shit like Dougram and Macross.
YES the lore has been full of hammering down that the point to the battlemechs is their capability to move like humans, if the pilot (and neuroware + hardware) is good enough. FFS they have several kinds of televised non-combat mech sports in-universe, including a version of basketball.

>>715341104
Lasers arent the main weapon or rather they are as much a main weapon as missles and cannons

>>715264076
in tabletop there's the Locust 6M which can reach 300kph (28 hexes) with MASC enabled, which far exceeds even the Firemoth with MASC on. There's also the Fireball XF which can reach up to 430kph (40 hexes) with MASC and a supercharger but that's just a one-off racing mech

>>715339584
Your criticism are no different from "democracy bad" because you only blame democracies for problems that will not disappear regardless of the method of governance.
You also fit the "anarchist mindset" of believing you can tune out people who have "other agenda" and fix problem.

The increased polarization you see is not a question of scale. It's because we have solved/caused/resolved so many problems already that what's left are fundamental stuff like "maybe we shouldn't follow religious fiction as laws".
You'd have the exact same problems even if it was just a group of 20 monkeys. Democracy/Bureaucray may slow things down but it also make it harder for extremist to fuck everything other are ok with.

Same for the idea that "elected representative need to come from the same social strata". Probably also have a belief they "needs to come from the same culture". Which is a silly thing because if your culture isn't already compatible with others, you cannot have a unified government in the first place.

>we've still got autocrats shitting things up
Look at history and autocracies are disappearing, the only reason they even exist is that we have nowhere to colonize.
No doubt China would immediately try to colonize other planet and win through economic domination. But democratic population are fully capable of seeing through that crap and use deadly force. They don't because it's too easy.

Damn that post got way longer than planned.

>>715340251

>>715315048
How am I lieing? It's missing basic shit like active/passive radar and MFDs.

>>715341254
lol no
every mech Ive used while playing 5 mercs had lasers and maybe some missile slots (save for models that were mostly missiles but those were an exception).only select models like the hunchback use them as their "main weapon" (and only some variants). and even then not even heacy models have more than one slot for solid ammo, it's either missiles or lasers

>>715336270
bless you anon

>>715341316
>the only reason they even exist is that we have nowhere to colonize
israel is in that process right now

>>715331645
That's not PGI, but Iglesias, he has been making Battletech re-designs a long time before PGI paid him to do it. Imo, his redesigns are nearly universally fantastic, and I love his Battlemaster, too.

The problem is how PGI half-assed a lot of them when translating the models to the game. Like half of the models are not even fully finished, imo. The scale is all wrong, and proportions are sometimes completely fucked up, too - like with AWS.

>>715332870
>>715333430
PGI completely fucked up the scale and proportions. There's is a theme, too; the heavier you go, the more bonkers the scale becomes. Light mechs are more or less correct, assaults are a fucking godzilla tier tragedy.
No clue why they fucked it up this bad.
There are people who think that it is because of the multiplayer balancing for MWO (since MW5 and Clans still use the same models), but I don't know. Considering how hilariously retarded the scale of the maps is in MWO, it might be the case, though.

Gundam game with MW damage model when?

>>715251984 (OP)
>I like HBS Battletech.
>Lady Arano and her bitch cousin are cute.

>>715342916
*with warthunder's damage models
tho someone bringing up some obscure nip-only artbook when bitching about why it's zaku should have totally tanked a 120mm at point blank isnt as funny

>>715342810
>Iglesias
His art sucks and all looks the same. Every mech looks like it came from the same factory when there's tons of designs that are native to these giant empires with their own technology yet with the current art you couldn't tell which is which.

>Battletech has mecha running around shooting lasers and fucking particle beams
>Some of the strongest weapons in the universe are literally just some 203mm howitzers which were outdated in the 90's let alone now
Eugh, it's so close to being a coherent cool universe but it's full of dumb shit.

>>715338636
I wouldn't call them sims they are very arcada. Though swiveling the torso and shooting in a different direction than you're moving probably filters 80% of modern audience.

>>715343320
>check the forum
>someone leaked the new Zaku schematics to win an argument

>>715251984 (OP)
>Bro why would I want to play slow clunky robots when I can be slide-chaining and bunnyhopping with my noscope skills playing as nikki minaj in CoD 88 "WW3 Blackops 7"
>You can't even buy your way to the best skins, fucking gay

>>715343452
Shit taste
Retardation
Falsehood

MW4 and MWO basically felt like the same game to me: clanner sniping duels where you'd jump jet, poke. It just feels like a trashy game with terrible execution.

>>715343554
>mfw that blonde sexy retard leaked zeonic psycommu technology on the forums so that his rival, with whom he has a homo-erotic relationship of sorts, could catch up to him
>again
>>715343515
it sucks but using modern controls feels like cheating

>>715341316
>Your criticism are no different from "democracy bad" because you only blame democracies for problems
You are a midwit arguing with a strawman in your mind instead of me. I am quite unambiguously stating that democracy has flaws which scale exponentially with population and territory size, at which point there are two options, you let everybody go their own way, or you tighten your grip and they go their own way by force. You're seeing this happen now, today, in countries all across the west, democracies are CHOOSING autocratic practices to maintain control as political divides widen, and this is only at the nation state level.

>The increased polarization you see is not a question of scale. It's because we have solved/caused/resolved so many problems already that what's left are fundamental stuff like "maybe we shouldn't follow religious fiction as laws".
Wrong, it's because people who live in different regions lead very different lifestyles and have different priorities. Millions of people living in an urban area have different ideas about how to run a country than the millions in rural areas, industrial economy has different needs to agricultural, America already had a civil war over that one, over taxes and over slavery, and at that point the population was even smaller.

>Democracy/Bureaucray may slow things down
Not may, does, that is the entire point of it. Distributed power so it's difficult for any one person to take full control. The problem is that the more people you have, the more disparate their needs, the less you get done. The less you get done, the less satisfied people are with governance.

>"elected representative need to come from the same social strata"
You put that in quotation marks, but I don't fucking recall saying "need to", faggot, only that currently, they do.
>"needs to come from the same culture"
I'm beginning to think you're not actually talking to me, but some other person that exists in your head rent free.

op here, you really do have to make clickbaity threads to get people to respond i guess. maybe there just arent enough people to talk about other games i give a damn about. ah well. glad the thread got this much discussion in it. maybe one day we will get a proper battletech game when i become a billionaire, of course

Do you guys ever go to Battletechs /tg/ thread?

>>715344378
Occasionally but I mostly hang out in the mecha monday threads actually. (Heavy Gear Blitz player)

>>715344378
No, because it makes me realize how shit the games are in comparison

>>715343452
Truthnuke

>>715344378
Two times I tried to ask a question over there and got completly ignored, i have a feeling they take gatekeeping serious with i respect and support

>>715344378
No, /tg/ is a worthless board

>>715343452
Retarded contrarian take.

>>715344863
What were your questions?

>>715337774
Nah. Humanoid is always unjustifiable and overly complex. If you have technology to enable it, materials, power plant, etc. than using the same technology to create a tank or helicopter would make cheaper, less mechanically complex and able to fit more armor and firepower

I really like the giant robutt genre, but you just have to suspend your disbelief for it. There is no feasible "realistic" way to make it work, cause physics is a cunt and economics is an even bigger cunt.

I used to a play a lot of giant robutt tabletop games and there was a hilarious amount of effort to keep them relevant in their own game. Like, battletech itself has tanks and planes and infantry and repeatedly had to nerf the shit out of them or they would have pushed out mechs out of their own game.

>>715345515
Its not fresh on my mind but probably something retarded about bagpipe music on the battlefield.

>>715342916
There's a bunch of gundam games with parts damage, though never as detailed.
>>715345912
What if the technology is really good and cheap limbs and advanced controls to use them very effectively? It's my win if tanks get arms.

Battletech had to nerf and buff pretty well everything over it's history. LAMs were insanely overpowered and could stomp any force of any makeup. Infantry were originally a single weak weapon source that was immediately removed from the table if a mech fired a singular weapon of any type at them. It doesn't have anything to do with what would be effective in their setting, it's just game mechanics.

>>715345948
Oh. Oh wait I remember that question.
You can attach megaphones to your mech and blast bagpipes, and if you're on Northwind, they make giant bagpipes for the Highlanders there.

>>715337706

What are the hands even fooooor? It looks like a child with some sort of horrible congenital deformity.

>>715346182
>What if the technology is really good and cheap limbs and advanced controls to use them very effectively

Then you get really good and cheap and controllable helicopters and tanks, as material science and mechatronics affect everything.

>Battletech had to nerf and buff pretty well everything over it's history. LAMs were insanely overpowered and could stomp any force of any makeup. Infantry were originally a single weak weapon source that was immediately removed from the table if a mech fired a singular weapon of any type at them. It doesn't have anything to do with what would be effective in their setting, it's just game mechanics.

Game mechanics are always meant to be a simulation of life. They had to take ever larger breaks with reality to keep robots relevant to the game and its funny in itself.

>>715346327
Making dismissive wanking motions at your enemy.

>>715344897
This. First it became reddit, then it became worse than reddit. 2012-era /tg/ is never coming back, its a dead board.

>>715335364
MW2 Mercs has at least one.

I know nothing of the franchise outside of playing MW2 and 5, are mech hands also grabby hands or just punchy hands? And if so what are the controls like inside of a mech to enable that level of fine control? Does the lore explain these things?

>>715346447
>helicopters and tanks
Yeah, with limbs on them. Making them mechs. A tank is just a mech without the limbs on it yet.
>Game mechanics are always meant to be a simulation of life
No they're not. They're games meant to be fun activities with your friends and frequently simulate entirely unrealistic or impossible things, which is why many of them are about fighting orcs and shit.
Unless you're claiming LAMs were overpowered because they'd be insanely strong in real life.

>>715346760
Not an expert on the lore but they are grabby hands as well as punchy hands. They do this via neural helmets that can read a pilots mind.

>>715346319
Can you find shit for that in total warfare?

Is the Quadrology installer still around, or are there better individual installers for the games.

>>715347032
Its not in Total Warfare as far as I'm aware, but it's something that's more often than not home brewed. Its in the lore after all.

>>715347084
>Is the Quadrology installer still around
Somewhere but it is outdated from what I remember. Using a Image mounter when you can crack MW3 to be CDless and use a music wrapper to play the two tracks of music. MW2 always just works in Dosboxs bit if you have to have 3DFX graphics and dynamic salvage then there's MechVM. MW4 just werks so you could just install the CD.

>>715264076
Wasp LAM.

>>715346182
Which games?I know Crossfire has it but that game is unplayable

>>715342916
Crossfire/Target in Sight (2006) for the PS3

>>715347394
technically Battle Operation 2 but
1- it's a debuff and it only applies to the legs (first shooter where headshots are nonexistent) and
2- it's an always online gacha, so also unplayable

I love vr mech games so damn much

>>715251984 (OP)
If I want to play tank games I would go play tank games
there is no market for chicklen walkers anymore

>>715251984 (OP)
Do you want it to become mainstream and adopted by AAA companies?

>>715251984 (OP)
Heh... let's make it so hard that we'll filter 90% of people...........

it literally only worked for Souls and it has become THE "hard but good" game. Nobody can ever manage that again, especially something as niche as mechs

>>715348792
I can't tell if this is bait.

>>715348792
MechWarrior isn't even hard though (except Pirate's Moon). You're far more likely to get your ass kicked in Armored Core or one of the MechWarrior clones.

>>715344147
just downscale vro its just that simple

>>715346795
Are you stupid or just intentionally playing retarded and refusing to accept that there is no such thing as "limb technology"? Its materials science and mechatronics which can be applied to anything else. Stopped reading right there anyway. People trying to "justify" shit are the worst kind of autistic spergs, especially when they do it by intentionally being stupid

>>715348725
Isn't PGI already that. At least give it to a more competent dev

>>715264076
I made a theoretical mech for the table top that has a speed of nearly 35. For those that don't know, one hex is 30m, and each movement phase is ten seconds.
In ten seconds, I can run at nearly 1,050kph or 653mph, coming to a stand still immediately without issue.

I know Battletech isn't supposed to have aliens in it ever, but I've always wonder what alien battlemechs would look like.

>>715348928
>there is no such thing as "limb technology"?
There is very literally limb technology. We spend billions of dollars on making limbs because limbs are cool and useful. They will one day be cheap and structurally sound enough that we'll slap them on all sorts of hardware.
>Stopped reading right there anyway
Oh, you are CRYING over this, you are seething over the idea a tank could have cool robot arms. Why? What's cooler than a tank with a big beefy arm on it? Tanks are already being hard countered in the battlefield by cheap weapons right now, it's precisely the time for them evolve and explore new technologies. Like limbs.

i really wish battletech had model kits like gundams do

>>715349539
Yeah it would be cool but mini painting is a pretty chill hobby as well.

>>715349023
But we do have aliens. The talking bird creatures. The neanderthals. The swamp people. The clanners.

>>715349608
people paint model kits too you know

>>715349539
Me too. I'm kinda baffled it's not a thing.
Then again, you can download the models, edit them to your liking in Blender, and then print them. That's what I will be doing.

>>715349962
Yes I know. Though I'm not brave enough to do it myself with mine. Priming a bunch of plastic sprues sounds like a pain in the ass.

>>715350045
would probably have to get one of the japanese companies too make then and it might be too niche to really be worth it but i wish they would i want a good looking catapult on my shelf

>>715344147
>You put that in quotation marks
To avoid 4chan method of quoting while insisting it's MY take on your answer.

>not actually talking to me
Oh I am, but to me you are one of those people who said dumb thing, then do not even consider they could be wrong.

You can hardly call my point a strawman and then push things like:
>democracies are CHOOSING autocratic practices to maintain control as political divides widen
Which is disingenuous because you likely attribute to autocracy things that have always been necessary in democracies along the double meaning of "maintain control" which imply the power is always top-down, never bottom-up.

So I persist saying you are only applying to democracy scale problem that apply to everything else.
Dictatorship would have top-down problems, russian-style, where no one do what's needed, because only the top must decide.

>Wrong, it's because people who live in different regions lead very different lifestyles and have different priorities.
That's definitely typical anti-system mindset, the belief that you are entitled to <whatever> on the basis of proximity.
Civilization 101 is to put resources in common to achieve something greater, and the mistake is to ignore that global problems require global solutions.
>over slavery, and at that point the population was even smaller.
Just taking this example, only trolls would defend to legalize slavery locally because some people want it, it's a question way too fundamental.
Nowadays, we have less and less we can leave to "lifestyles" without causing problems.

>that is the entire point of it.
Again, typical anti-democracy mindset, pretend that's on purpose before drifting toward other rational if we accepted this as fact.
Proper democracies do meant to act as fast and efficiently as possible, and it can.
Distributed power exist to come up with the BEST solution by pooling more opinions.

And a Galatic democracy would avoid most problems related to resources.

I bet Lady Arano has a nice ass.

>>715350478
>It'll work because... BECAUSE IT JUST WILL, OKAY?!

>>715345912
You make the mistake of believing we are forcing "humanoid" because anime, instead of it coming up naturally.
Thought I'll agree that when I say "humanoid" I only really mean "2 leg, 2 arms"

It won't come first, out of nowhere.
But it has reason to appear for logical reasons.

thread dying

>>715350679
>thread dying
New bread? I know it shouldn't be forced but I like talking about niche mecha games.

>>715350620
who are you answering?

>>715350728
Only if it's not about mechwarrior

Before the thread dies, would you play an Aerotech game that plays like Ace Combat set during the end of the Amaris Civil War and the beginning of the First Succession War?
>You're a pilot, silent, and get monologued at by enemy pilots.
>Get bigger and heavier aerospace fighters.
>From ground attack to space battles.
>Escorting a drop ship from space into the atmosphere.
>Final battle is your rival the whole game over a burning world. He's in a Phoenix Hawk LAM.

>>715349145
You have been called out, its pointless to keep being retarded.

Sure, use a gundam or votoms pic. I don't care.

>>715350841
Hell yeah

>>715351120

>>715350905
>Rival is all alone. His army destroyed or routed.
>You two were friends once, serving honorably in the Star League.
>He begged you to not forget your oath.
>His mech is burning, like the planet below. The music is swelling with a dramatic choir as his flying and fighting becomes erratic.
>He's coming apart.
>When it looks like it's about to come down it suddenly changes back into Mech Mode, the music stops, and in slow motion it reaches out to grab you.
>Instinctively you fire.
>Engine Crit.
>Internal Ammo Explosion detected.
>You hear his last words cut out as the cockpit explodes into fire, and his mech falls down to the planet below.
>You're doing circles, watching his dot grow smaller and smaller.
>You're radioed by your wingman that you need to get going. Back home.

>>715351239
When you hear the thunder.
When the storm comes for you.
Remember me.

>>715351370
>Epilogue is a montage of your character fighting in the first succession war, so brutal and horrific that they become a shell of their former self.
>Endless struggle. Endless conflict. Endless death.
>It never stops.
>They pick up a photo, showing them and their rival back with their old squad when they were young and happy.
>Players face is hidden by subtle shadow placement.
>Single drop falls onto it.
>Credits.