Thread 715254865

Just so they can watch it flop like Lightning Returns did. Why are they like this?

>>715254865 (OP)
Lightning Returns wasn't turn based. Also it was shit.

>>715254865 (OP)
KH3 was a pretty good story.

final fantasy is gonna flop no matter what they do at this point

Did someone say Lightning Returns?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj0N-GJZLMc

>>715254865 (OP)
>Why are they like this?
Because they are man babies and suck at video games. Spamming the X-Button and watching cutscenes is all they are capable of.

Turn based fans don't care about dogshit moviegame franchises where the actual turn based games are less than 10% of the IP.
Just like that article says people play FF for the teenage melodrama, the gameplay doesn't matter and never mattered, FF is a zombie franchise because young people have not drank the 90's kool-aid

ff9 remake will be turn based unless theyre retarded enough to miss the point of the game

>>715255182
>Spamming the X-Button and watching cutscenes is all they are capable of.
Probably.

Turn-based Final Fantasy is charming, but the combat is total garbage. Its sole purpose of it is to gateway the player by forcing him to level up and explore for items.

>>715255358
Lol any day now
Any year now
Any decade now

what
thats not what your twitter screencap says
die nigger

>>715255358
Rumors are it's canceled. And given whay we've seen of the Tactics demaster I'm starting to think that might have been a good thing.

>>715254865 (OP)
turn based combat is fucking boring and for people too dumb to adjust on the fly

>>715254865 (OP)
I like arpgs, but square isnt good at making them. The writing does need to improve but i think more importantly the story settings and art direction need to feel like 90s / early 00s era ff.

>>715255182
>>715254865 (OP)
>>715255450
>>715255193
You people suck

>>715256015
Dwai its one guy bumping his bait thread

XVI is so overhated. can't wait for 3 games to go by and people stop sheeping the xvi hate meme

>>715255014
FF13 wasn't turn-based but it definitely wasn't character action either

>>715255159
I was just thinking about this when mine was going off the other day, kek

>>715255014
ATB is also turn-based.

>>715255826
all the "insiders" conveniently popped up after the nvidia and epic leaks, im not trusting any of them

>>715255054
It’s alright. Certainly not worth the years of waiting.

>>715254865 (OP)
>it doesnt need better gameplay it needs a better story

>>715254865 (OP)
>Just so they can watch it flop like Lightning Returns did.
Literally the main reason why Final Fantasy isn't turn-based anymore.

>>715256961
>turn-based
>good gameplay

>>715256961
It's not wrong
Expedition 33 mogged every Final Fantasy in terms of story

>>715254865 (OP)
Turn based is dead. It will never come back.

>>715255014
Nah LR is pretty good.

>>715257181
Said no one ever. It's probably the single worst Final Fantasy game ever made

>>715257105
thats good shit

>>715254865 (OP)
There are just too many cooks in the kitchen at square now. They also need sexy waifus again.

Square needs to find an artist with an interesting story to tell.
How they don't have their own Kojima at this point is crazy.

>>715257264
Yeah, it's good shit, alright. GOOD AT BEING SHIT

>>715254865 (OP)
I fucking hate this

You are all gaslighting SE into believing that making the next FF turn based but otherwise keeping their design philosophy the same will fix the series and make it a huge success, but it's still going to flop, because it's not their main issue.

The reason XV and XVI's gameplay was lame wasn't because it wasn't turn based, it was because they are braindead easy, challengeless, not engaging at all, they are nothing like playing solid arpg combats like elden ring or dragon's dogma, and they also give you little to no meaningful customization or just many tools to use.

Clair obscur or Baldur's Gate's turn based gameplay was good and popular because they were decently challenging. If the next FF is going to be as braindead as the last FFs were but just with turn based combat then it's probably going to be Even less popular than a flashy button masher like XVI was

>>715257343
>They also need sexy waifus again.
Erm... I'm standing right here

>>715254865 (OP)
>so they can watch it flop like a FF13 spin off did
Yeah LR flopped because it was turn based & not because it was associated with that trash.

>>715257393
>Clair obscur
that turn based slop was easy i juist googled a meta guide and stendhalt everything lol. shit was easy lol

>>715257393
Imagine if Square had the intelligence to make Stranger of Paradise's combat system be their main combat system going forward

>>715257393
>wont someone plz think of SE!
Calm down faggot, they'll shit out twelve more unmarketed final fantasy and dragon quest spin offs that'll all flop over the next year and then make another mainline action game with action combat and 50 hours of cutscenes expecting it to sell better than GTA and be fine.

>>715257181
I agree

>>715254865 (OP)
>Kotaku
LMAO

Also, just try a Turnbased FF mainline game again, with a party system and Overworld. Why not try it?
They tried action combat and it didn't work so what the fuck have they got to lose?

>>715254865 (OP)
FF17 should be based on Squid Game

>>715258072
They should have studied this instead if they wanted political intrigued based on European history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Roses

>>715257818
SE is actually Losing money you tard. This isn't just a "they have irrationally high sales expectations" issue. They can't keep this up for another decade without making some actual hits.

>>715255358
Anon, this is Square Enix we're talking about.

>>715258072
>>715258193
The problem is even though they supposedly studied GOT they didn't actually study it enough and did their own shit, which just turned into the usual kill god/demiurge story.

>>715257343
>They also need sexy waifus again.
15 and 16 had fine enough females, the real problem was the writing that basically dumpsters all of them and had them as worthless/barely relevant characters.

>>715254865 (OP)
>fabula nova crystallis
ah shit here we go again

>Lightning Returns
>third entry on a series that was already hated from the get go

You can't save these games if they are truly poorly received, same thing happened with 15. 15 has a more cohesive story with all the DLC included, but you can't save a flawed game with DLC, 15 maybe would have been great if they made a "final cut" and they reworked the story a little bit using the DLCs, but the fact that so much of the lore is a fucking movie, an anime, a side game, it kinda just fucks everything up.

And, to be 100% honest, 15 is still better than 16 which is just a retarded hack n' slash with barely any JRPG elements.

>>715258301
>SE is losing money!
>they're not gonna last another decade!
You said this a decade ago & they've never stopped putting out flops with the occasional nostalgia bait that prints money to offset their losses you hysterical FUD obsessed crybaby.
They'll make FF7 rebirthboot part 17 PS6 exclusive which will sell 8 gorillion copies and then after 50 more flops they'll take that and release it on steam and make another trillion to squander on flops.
You'll buy all of them as you panic about them and come here in another decade saying the same shit.

>>715254865 (OP)
Corpos aren't able to differentiate actual consumer demand from their artificial hype anymore and in this case the obfuscation tactic that ff16 failed because it wasn't turnbased and not because it was an unfinished mess gets confused with actual demand.

>>715255054
KH3 is one of the cringiest most autistic, anime brainrot, dogshit pieces of media ever written.
the only thing worse is FF7R p1 & p2.

>>715254865 (OP)
FF16 was unironically too good for “modern” gamers. When I saw the dumbest questions being asked and “plot holes” being “exposed” on here and GameFAQs that were easily explained in the Thousand Tomes or by talking to Vivian, I knew ADHD-riddled zoomers and braindead boomers wouldn’t appreciate the game.

>>715255014
Just because that's true doesn't take away from the fact that OP is a stupid, disingenuous, nigger.

>>715257135
It was also turn based, which is part of the reason everyone who played it had a positive reaction.

>>715259482
Explain the hate for Metaphor then.

>>715254865 (OP)
Lightning Returns failed because people had Lightning fatigue, and one dev's gooning obsession shouldn't represent literal decades of highly acclaimed and well selling turn-based JRPGs.

>>715255014
fpbp

>>715255159
The paper towels always kill me. Like, he knew towels muffle noise, and tricked himself into believing stuffing a few sheets of paper towels loosely into the cracks works just as well.
Anyway, FF13 dog.

>>715255014
>Lightning Returns wasn't turn based.
Since when is ATB not turn-based?

>>715254865 (OP)
nigger they just made a turn based FF game and you hated it

>>715254865 (OP)
Returning to turn-based would be a huge mistake.

E33 is only popular for a single reason: The story.

>>715261839
Oh wow, people don't buy the game they already own
Oh wow, people stop playing single-player games once they're done with it
Oh wow, people buy less of a year old produt that is marketed less in favor of newer releases

>>715261839
>E33 story
It's story sucks. What the retards like about E33 is the parryslop. Because suddenly "it's like dark souls!".

>>715254865 (OP)
After remake/rebirth theres genuinely no reason to go back to classic turn based

they just keep this "Party-based ARPG where you actually control a party" line.

No, photorelastic graphics don't work with turn-based combat. It just looks really ugly af. I unironically liked XVI

>>715254865 (OP)
There are practically hundreds of stupid fucking JRPGs out there. How can people be begging for MORE? HOW????????

I'm not an FF fag but them going the action game route makes a lot more sense. FF7 remake is actually close to having a really good system mixing the action, jrpg, and party mechanics too. Anyone who wants MORE jrpgs is a fucking retard. The shit hasn't evolved in well over 10 years and when they do try to evolve, people bitch
>b-b-but e33!!!!
The parry mechanic is LITERALLY the only thing about that makes it different from other JRPGs. That's it. And the parry mechanic is SHIT and actually takes away party depth because if you're good at parries then there is no reason to have "tanky" characters or heal.

>>715255826
The game literally never existed and it is never coming out.

>>715261839
Expedition 33 only worked because they stole the entire combat art style from Metaphor. Other than that, the game is really unappealing and ugly

>>715262534
>The parry mechanic is LITERALLY the only thing about that makes it different from other JRPGs. That's it. And the parry mechanic is SHIT and actually takes away party depth because if you're good at parries then there is no reason to have "tanky" characters or heal.
The dodge/parry system in exp33 is so risk free that it destroys the game's balance
each parry or dodge should cost 1 AP, as simple as that.

>>715262436
>I unironically liked XVI
you should quit playing video games probably

Do people really like that ARPG slop? Shit basically plays like an offline MMO.

>>715262338
demake is scripted tranny slop.
>play too well
>boss HP locks up and all your damage is artificially cancelled.
>5 cutscene interruptions per boss-fight

Fuck these rail roaded cringe movies. this is not action. this is yet another a cutscene simulator.

>>715262830
>>boss HP locks up and all your damage is artificially cancelled.
>>5 cutscene interruptions per boss-fight
Are you new to phase changes in videogames or something?

>>715254865 (OP)
FF16 flopped though.

>>715254865 (OP)
kinda funny that LR is still the best game out of the three FF13s kek

>>715262436
>No, photorelastic graphics don't work with turn-based combat. It just looks really ugly af. I unironically liked XVI
YoshiP posts here?

>>715262902
I'm sorry nigga where is the artifical damage cancelling and multiple cutscene interruptions here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ISnWOyY6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys-LdtdBy-o

"phase transistions" are playable cutscene tranny slop for walking sims like FF7R.
These do not exist in good bossfights.

>>715263352
>juggle arpg slop
lol

>>715263228
Literally who? It's just common sense. Turn-based combat only works if you have a unique art style or if the game is 2D

>>715256292
>character action either
Kill yourself.

>>715263475
>Repeat the exact same excuse the FF14 and FF16 producer gave for why FF is not Turnbased
>W-who?

>>715263409
that's very funny coming from a dipshit who praises rebirth.
a game that lets you zoom to the enemy with even stiffer magnetism than batman games, then stay in the air and even air doge infinitely with no real skill required.

>>715263409
answer his question instead of coping and pretending you won

>>715263712
>>715263721
Retard, most bosses have phase changes

>>715263475
>Turn-based combat only works if you have a unique art style or if the game is 2D
Literally one of the biggest most popular games of this year is Turnbased with realistic graphics, Exp 33.
One of the biggest games of games of 2023 was turnbased with realistic graphics, BG3.
>Common sense
Oh so you're clueless, now it makes sense.

>>715263662
Character action is the only valid combat system for melee-focused games. Anything else is autism

My god there's a whole lot of retard shit being said in this thread.

>>715263839
They're just called action games, retard. No such thing as "character action" that's fucking gibberish invented by retarded zoomers. They're just action games. Fucking kill yourself.

>>715263706
Nigga, can you read? I don't know who that is. Are you schizo or something? Do you really believe that only one person in the world has this kind of thought process? Take your meds

I'm not a fan of turn-based combat, but what was in ff16 is even worse. rebirth combat is ideal for jprgs. you have tactic with an active pause and action elements, also tales of arise has good combat

>>715263932
Yeah well, the souls tards started using that term for games like devil may cry and not the slow ass "one hit one kill" action gameplay

>>715263832
>more like western tranny slop steals everything from the Persona series
This woke slop has to be the most shilled video game of all time on /v/

Reading the cope anti-turn based faggots come up with to justify why turn based games are still massively successful is fucking hilarious.

>>715254865 (OP)
Must be posers. Real gamers know to expect nothing from sqeenix.

>one ugly woke western shilled troon game
>massively successful
Take your meds, tranny

>>715263808
that's not what you're defending retard.
All bosses have AI phases. but they DO NOT cancel out of stun, turn invincible and play cutscenes to change phases.
you get in all the damage you earned and they simply change their attack patterns next time they return from stagger/stun to Idle.

7R is scripted movie garbage that puts gameplay design last.

>>715263934
>Can you read
>I don't know who that is
If only there was this thing called the internet that had a Search Engine, and the name of who that was in the interview was right there. If only.

You have the same thought process as a retarded Jap game dev, the same game dev who is the Producer of the game that's in OP's picture and another FF game, FF14.
So you not knowing is kinda a little bit showing how retarded you are that you can't even do the most basic bitch research.

>>715264246
>accuses me of not having my own thoughts or something
>tell him that I don't know who that is, and that it's just my opinion
>tranny goes mentally insane and has a mental breakdown
Take your meds, schizo

>>715254865 (OP)
>Turn-based fans
Lmao no such thing, how do i know? Because turn-based gameplay has and never will be the point of discussion. The very nature of it's design prevents any meaningful discussion.

>>715264207
>what is bg3, metaphor, persona, star rail, dragon quest
>what is every collectable card game, marvel snap, civ 4/5/6, and all tactics games
>inb4 "those don't count"

>>715254865 (OP)
Turn based trannies are seething

>>715264547
What the fuck do you want form me you subhuman? Take your meds.
>photorelastic graphics don't work with turn-based combat
>metaphor, persona, star rail, dragon quest
TAKE YOUR MEDS OR KILL YOURSELF YOU SUBHUMAN SCUM

>>715263932
>NOOOO, WORDS AREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE MEANING, STOP MAKING WORDS
You're a retard. Character action specifically refers to solo hack n slash and action adventure games. Final Fantasy 12 and 13 are technically "action RPGs", but that's not what anyone wants. We're asking for DMC-esque character action specifically. The distinction is absolutely essential

>>715264674
Don't get mad at me because you're an idiot.

>>715254865 (OP)
>kucktaku
The story was fine, trannies are mad it was perceived as "too white" and proven wrong when it released
Hope square enix goes into goblin mode and make a fighting game instead with branching stories just to see those zoomers posing as turn based lovers eternally seethe.
nobody cared about turn based games until yoshida said "people don't like to play turn based games anymore"
I 100% guarantee it, if square caves and gives these ethereal fanbase exactly what they want, they still won't buy the game, cause they only know "internet activism". they love to post "OMG 1ST DAY BUY!!" and wait for a 90% sale.
You can't please everyone. Most of the retards scheeching "WHERE MUH TURN BASED FF?" can't even go past Mt Ordeals on FFIV. They haven't even played E33 and just larp about doing so cause they watched a streamer play it.

>>715262652
/v/ loved it at release. You’re a poser newfag.

>>715264676
>The distinction is absolutely essential
It 100% fucking isn't you goddamn retard. FF12 are not action games at all and nobody has ever considered them one. The only distinction is one that already exists the "action rpg". I'm amazed you're even able to breath.

>>715264425
So you admit you entered a thread about FF, that had a thread OP for FF16, where the Producer said that he didn't believe in Turnbased and favoured action combat.
You didn't know who that Producer was, but echoed his sentiment almost word for word.
Then you didn't bother to do any research into why he was wrong and Turnbased with realistic graphics is now a proven success while action combat FF less so.
I should have known when you began your post with this image, that you're a shitposter.
>>715262436

>>715264989
>I'm amazed you're even able to breath.
Nice typo, ESL retard. But I'm gonna ignore that low-hanging fruit and instead focus on the true root of your retardation: you're saying that something like Diablo or Xenoblade has the exact same combat system as something like Ninja Gaiden or Dark Souls. Because i's all "action", right? Imagine being that fucking retarded

>>715264841
You are fuckin' braindead you subhuman scum. My point still stands: none of these games have photorealistic graphics, but rather unique art styles. Turn-based combat only works if you have a unique art style. That was my whole point. You came up with some mental gymnastics and could only provide two examples, both of which are Western games that only feature turn-based combat because they are incapable of creating a fun and engaging gameplay feeling. Your woke troon slop has only turn-based combat because of budget and creativity reasons, not because they advocate for it.

KILL YOURSELF TRANNY

what's with square's aversion to turn based gameplay for final fantasy lately? The stagger gauge mechanic is so played out now.

>>715265092
I am no longer going to waste my energy on you, you mentally unstable subhuman tranny. Take your meds. Imagine living in a world of self-delusion, thinking that everything you read online is also read by random strangers on the Internet. You are not the main character, you're just mentally insane

Enjoy your woke troon slop

>>715265121
>Nice typo, ESL retard
Oh noes a typo! AAAAHHHH I missed a letter clearly I must've been born in another country save me Ganesh!
>>715265121
>But I'm gonna ignore that low-hanging fruit and instead focus on the true root of your retardation: you're saying that something like Diablo or Xenoblade has the exact same combat system as something like Ninja Gaiden or Dark Souls. Because i's all "action", right? Imagine being that fucking retarded
Imagine thinking you need to uproot the basis of decades upon decades of discussion because you're too stupid to understand context clues or what is even being discussed. If you're talking about a Diablo style game nobody is going to get confused and think you're talking about DMC. You don't need to invent some retarded new term to differentiate something that doesn't need to be differentiated. Fucking end your fucking life you subhuman retard.

You spout some nonsense about ESL but this is 10000% ESL behavior. Some non-English faggot trying to change terms because he can't understand what is being said due to due is incomplete knowledge of the language. Eat shit.

>>715265343
and every known mechanic thrown into turn-based games for enhancing its gameplay has been played out as well. I think it's time someone innovated and made a hybrid of them both, like what falcom has done but better and fun

>>715265283
You're an idiot because you're just making shit up. You have Zero, 0, nilch, evidence support what you are saying at all. Literally nothing. You're just repeating it because you think it makes you sound smart and have some higher level take. You're an idiot.

>>715254865 (OP)
Final fantasy dug this ditch when it kept trying to reinvent the wheel with overly easy games with overly complicated systems. If they fuckin went back to like FF4-6 (and made not dogshit stories) they'd be set.

>>715255182
>Spamming the X-Button and watching cutscenes is all they are capable of.
But enough about FF16.

>>715265931
Hybrids suck. Half-baked and with the strength of neither.

>>715266026
i'm glad they implemented XV mode for journalists

>>715265778
>If you're talking about a Diablo style game nobody is going to get confused and think you're talking about DMC.
But the distinction is important to this specific context. When I say "I want Final Fantasy to be an action rpg", that's a meaningless statement because that could mean anything from Diablo to DMC. It's useful to have a term specifically for action adventure skill-based games like DMC or Dark Souls. There is literally no rational explanation to get this angry over making that distinction, you're just an impotent seething mongoloid. Also why did you reply twice? You're ESL AND a newfag? Do you have a single redeemable trait?

>>715254865 (OP)
Kotaku is still alive? Do they have nine cat lives?

>>715264240
>>715264240
>7R is scripted
You dont know what "scripted" in terms of boss fight means. Everything it happens in the boss fight is EARNED, it isnt given to you. If you got your stagger wasted because of a phase change its because you suck at staggering but you still did damage enough to move on. Once you pass a certain % threshold, you move on the next phase. It doesnt happen randomly.
In remake the HP gates and the phase changes were tied, but in rebirth they fixed it by making the HP gates be lower than the phase changes thresholds.
Theres nothing wrong with phase changes or cutscenes to make the fights more dynamic. You are just being a little bitch.

>>715254865 (OP)
Expedition 33 was only $50. That's the amount JRPG fans were willing to pay for the best JRPG in ages. Only $50. No one wants AAA JRPGs. They won't pay to support them. JRPG fans are cheapskates and not an audience developers want to target.

>>715266716
>People are willing to pay $50 for a game
What's the problem here? The game had a very low budget of around $20-$40million, it broke even at 500,000 units sold.
So far announced confirmed it has sold 3.3million but unconfirmed estimates put it at 4million sold.
As long as the budget is low, the customer is more willing to pay for the game both parties win, the customer wins by getting a game they want for a lower price, the developer wins by earning a profit.
Who is losing out in this transaction?

>>715266716
What $80 games did you buy lately? Answer the question.

Hear me out, but I think that FF was a product of its time. The story was usually always kinda mid, but it made up for it with music, graphics and generally being high budget JRPGs. I think nowadays some mid sized teams can do almost the exact same thing that final fantasy was known for, but much cheaper. Basically what I'm trying to say is that FF always had the feeling of an AA game, but with the budget of a AAA game. Nowadays even AA games can look and play decently enough so that there's no real reason to make a AAA budget FF game anymore.

>>715266587
Why does a boss fight need cutscenes Anywhere other than prior to the fight and afterwards? Even Asuras Wrath didn't do that.
why does it need artifical scripting to turn the boss invincible?
when you play well only 30% of the fight is gameplay and the rest is waiting through scripted invincibility and cut scenes.

7R is one of the most scripted, modern slop movie game piles of shit ever. it's right up there with the last of us
don't even fucking try to tell me it's not scripted..

>>715255119
The problem is that Square Enix will make the combat system shit no matter what

>>715266997
>Who is losing out in this transaction?
Stop being anti-semitic.

>>715254865 (OP)
Maybe make an interesting story and characters and drop the anime shit

>>715266716
>Expedition 33 was only $50.
>That's the amount JRPG fans were willing to pay
>JRPG fans are cheapskates and not an audience developers want to target.
True. If SE made a turn-based RPG, then they couldn't demand more than 50 dollars, which would also mean that it couldn't be AAA.

>>715254865 (OP)
Square Enix is hellbent on going bankrupt.

>>715268372
Answer >>715267040

>>715254865 (OP)
Even if the games had great stories their gameplay design is so atrocious that the games aren't worth playing. They keep trying to make an action game, but have arbitrarily decided that they make "rpg's" so they always make their action games very bad to accommodate their players who can't play action games or don't want action games.

Okay retards, if that's what you think of your fans then stop making action games. How complicated is that as a concept?

>>715255054
It has the worst story in all kh

>>715268501
>>715267040
>What $80 games did you buy lately?
t.not a poor fag

>>715254865 (OP)
They need to hire directors that aren't westaboos who are ashamed of jrpgs and delude themselves into thinking Game of Piss was ever anything more than knuckledragger trash. Shitcan YoshiP and hire or promote someone actually worth a damn.

>>715257251
said people who actually played the fucking game and doesnt get all their opinions from /v/

>>715268672
Anon asked about games, not walking simulators

>>715266997
As long as you're fine with never getting a AAA or $50M+ budget JRPG from anyone, then there is no problem.

>>715267040
Exactly. No game is worth $80 to you. No game is worth $100. It could be the greatest game ever in your mind and you'd still try to bargain your way down to paying as little as possible. Because it's not about appreciating a great game from a great developer. It's about squeezing them dry for all their worth and then bitching they're not doing enough. You'll never be the target audience.

You wanna know if I buy $80 games? You despite people who spend money on video games. They're cattle to you. They fund the games and developers that exist which you hate. No game I spend $80 will ever impress you, because you are ideologically opposed to the very concept of rewarding game developers with your income. Instead, you want to extract what you can for as little as you can in every possible way. You are a parasite and an idiot.

Because if there is a game you really like, you really think is great, that you feel had devs who cared and worked hard and risked a lot to bring you that video game and you pay the bare minimum or less and never gave a second thought to further supporting the people that created that joy you experience, then you're less than dirt.

>>715254865 (OP)
>"""writer""" thinks the most important thing in a game is the story
Go figure.

I love the old FF games, I love Rogue Trader, I love Metaphor. I still prefer action games, the best fights in action games are infinitely better than any turn-based fight.

>>715257180
It did though. Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

>>715268672
So the implication here is that SE shouldn't make turn-based RPGs because they're too boring, but you go and post DS2 of all things as an alternative. Are you genuinely retarded or just shitposting?

>>715268941
>As long as you're fine with never getting a AAA or $50M+ budget JRPG from anyone, then there is no problem.
Yeah I'm fine with that, Sandfall made a better JRPG with $20million-$40million budget than did Square Enix with FF16 with a budget of $250million.

>>715267040
I have never bought a brand new 80 dollar game and I never will. I don't want AAA jrpg's anyway. Ironically the only time I ever bought a 90 dollar game was a JRPG from Japan used, due to shipping and ridiculous Japanese prices, but that was enough for buying expensive shit in my life, plus I sold it when I was done to recoup the cost.

>>715268941
>Exactly
Not answer. Stopped reading there.

>>715268993
I think a well thought out turn based system that allows gimmicks can still have some really high highs. Like the final boss of Metaphor has higher tuned stats, it does just play out like a normal fight.

>>715255014
Filtered.

>>715269663
Final Fantasy 16 on steam released at 50 dollars bro.

>>715268871
>t.brown poor fag opinion
Ignored.

>>715264943
>Hope square enix goes into goblin mode and make a fighting game instead with branching stories just to see those zoomers...
Ehrgeiz 2

>>715269731
it was actually 70 bucks

>>715269985
>Every time somebody doesn't like slop people respond with brown opinion

I'm beginning to think browns might have the best taste in video games.

>>715256961
>>715254865 (OP)
It needs better gameplay and story. Rebirth and FF16 were both lame as hell. Seeing how they can't even do action gameplay right I doubt they'd even get turn based right.

>>715254865 (OP)
They've failed at making a decent action slop game. DQ11 has better gameplay than any of their modern Action Slop Final Fantasy games. Team Ninja absolutely BTFO the Final Fantasy teams attempt at action combat with Strangers of Paradise.

Square Enix can not make good action combat. As XV, XVI, and VII remake and rebirth have proven. Final Fantasy will never have good gameplay regardless of the genre, it is a literal movie game series.

>>715271117
>>715270259
FFXV is garbage
FFXVI is good
Remake/rebirth has one of the best battle systems ever made
you are a retard

>>715270120
>every time somebody is called brown for shitting all over a game, I seethe
Calm down, brown boy.

>>715271117
Honestly it's worse than that.

>Hire DMC battle director
>Make a good action game
>Realize you made a good action game but call yourself a rpg
>Begin to add systems and cooldowns to make sure the game is less of an action game to somehow fit your "rpg" claim
>Ruin your own system that was actually pretty good
>Modders immediately improve it when the game is on PC by simply changing some values in pak files

It's not that they cannot make a good action game, it's that they WILL NOT make a good action game. Even if they make it, they will, for arbitrary reasons, nerf the game into being unfun on purpose. They are like that DS2 Kojima quote.

>>715255450
it's obviously charming when you post the same curated clips over and over and over and over and over and over and over again

>>715271248
Terminally shit taste

>>715257393
>it was because they are braindead easy, challengeless, not engaging at all,
How is that any different from what Final Fantasy was before and 95% of other turn-based games? Are you really pretending these here >>715255450 >>715257105 aren't braindead, easy, not challenging, and not engaging?

No they just need to get team ninja to make their combat system

>>715268993
Turn-based would be fine if it weren't so damn repetitive. You have zero variation, you just keep on selecting the exact same shit in the menu and watch the exact same animations over and over and over again, which is so god damn boring. This also happens to be the reason why I never finished Persona 5 and also never touched Metaphor.

>>715271807
Unf if you didnt like persona 5, then dont touch metaphor
that shit has the worse iteration of a "job system" i have ever seen
its just grinding and grinding to make the jobs be usable at least, and terrible balance

>>715266304
nta but DMC is not an action rpg. It seems you're being deliberately facetious.

>>715271248
I fully agree. You are certified to be not brown.

>>715271986
>nta but DMC is not an action rpg.

Well I'm not the anon you are replying to, but I'm pretty sure the point here is that DMC is NOT an action RPG, so it's fucking stupid when you call your games action RPG's and then try to make them Devil May Cry.

>>715254865 (OP)
The combat system doesn't matter. What killed Final Fantasy was their switch to hallway level design and quest markers with FFXIII and XII, where it was impossible to get lost or explore. It turned the series into a boring linear movie game. There was no longer any sense of wonder or discovery like in the older games.

>>715271995
I wiped to Gi-Natak hard mode 5 times. I am fucking dreading the harder VR/arena fights and the final gauntlet. Vincent as well.

>>715271986
I meant an RPG with DMC-esque combat. Like Dark Souls or Stranger of Paradise

all ff games run like hot garbage on pc and consoles.

stranger of paradise? trash.
ff16? trash.
ff15? trash.
ff13? trash.
dissidia? trash.
its a cursed franchise

>>715271248
Yes FF15 is garbage, but FF16 is a mess of a game that has no idea what it wants to be. It should have just been a linear action game and focused more on the action and Eikon fights. As of right now, it's a bloated mess with meaningless features and terrible hub world filled with stupid quests.

>>715272214
Dark souls is not DMC-esque. That's retarded.

>>715259581
>hate for Metaphor

>>715262609
>This personal project from 2019 stole ideas from metaphor
Please tell me you weren't serious.

>>715272305
Dark Souls combat is closer to DMC combat than Diablo combat or Xenoblade combat

>>715272409
Clair Obscur haters are half contrarians pretending to be retarded and half actually retarded jeets. Here it fitted right with the FF hate.

>>715272510
You have brain damage

>>715272696
I accept your concession

>>715272510
No it isn't. Also Xenoblade and Diablo are nothing like too.

>>715272510
That's a meaningless statement. May as well say rimworld is closer to fallout than Sims is.

>>715272117
The last few games in the series are literal offline MMOs with bland empty fields and infinite amount of busywork and uninteresting errands for uninteresting people. I WISH they were hallways with focused, well-paced stories.

>>715272750
>No it isn't
You are a fucking retard

>>715272928
Well so far nobody agrees with you so maybe you should reevaluate your opinion.

>>715272892
>what is context
Try reading next time instead of butting in and blurting out your unsolicited opinion, you braindead moron

>>715272928
I accept your concession

>>715273037
>3 mentally ill losers on 4chan disagree with you so you must be wrong
Oh, is that how you decide your opinions? Explains a lot

>>715272607
>Here it fitted right with
Come on now, ESL-kun. I think the game is overrated and I'm a extraordinarily white man living in the deep south of the US.

>>715258583
>benedikta is gender-swapped zidane

>>715271807
Why do anti-turnbased fags always ignore how action games are super fucking repetitive?
Having a wider party all with dozens and dozens or even potentially hundreds of skills and actions to choose from. Typically gives you more options and more in-depth preparation, than the typically meagre selection of available action for the typically singularly controlled player-character in an action game.

>retard who doesn't like gaming want more cutscenes and less videogames
what a surprise from a retarded journo

>>715261839
picrel was a mid game

>>715273478
How autistic do you have to be to look at two sprites staring at each other and imagine an epic battle unfolding? It works for tabletop games, given the obvious limitations, but turn-based video-games literally have no right to even exist in the first place. Final Fantasy 1 was an embarrassing downgrade from Legend of Zelda

>>715273709
So you just demand more visual flare and don't actually care about the gameplay?
In what fucking way does the visuals matter? And why doesn't abstracted representation and imagination suffice?
That said, tons of turnbased games have for better or worse very elaborate animations and visual flare, often to a fault.

>>715273478
Action games aren't repetitive, because they aren't 60 hours of constant fighitng mooks. They are 8-16 hours and paced very well. Turn based games work better for these 80 hour games, because now you can make it about progression instead of having a curated experience with a combat system ramping up.

Why don't they just make an AAA tactics game? It's a deeper combat system than pure turn based by nature, and they've got a succesful entry in the genre already

>>715274026
>So you just demand more visual flare and don't actually care about the gameplay?
No, because I hate FFXII's and XIII's combat systems too, despite them being visually "real-time". I like instantly responsive skill-based reflex-based combat systems where you have control over every input. Anything less than that is just the video-game equivalent of getting cucked and having no satisfying control over your character

>>715254865 (OP)
FFXVI has a better story than E33. It's entirely dragged down by not being a turn based RPG. All of its problems stem from not being turn based, the map design problems, your would-be party members being underutilized, not enough Ifrit, etc.

>>715274215
because no one buys tactics games

>>715273709
>turn-based video-games literally have no right to even exist in the first place
there are people on /v/ who have spent every day for almost a decade trying to convince everyone to hate turn based games and not only have they failed but their failure is now resulting in schizo outbursts like this

>>715274287
>FFXVI has a better story than E33.
No it doesn't.

>>715274428
This is literally my first time on /v/ in several months but okay, schizo

I've never seen someone get so triggered and heated about two words slung together. /v/ sure is a passionate place.

>>715274870
FF fans have been schizos for years now

>>715273478
>a wider party all with dozens and dozens or even potentially hundreds of skills and actions to choose from.
Literally Baldur's Gate 1 + 2, but turn-based fags cried and cried and cried for years that they are overwhelmed by the "confusing" real time aspect of the combat and the large party size (total of six).

Then we got BG3, which was dumbed down to Pokemon levels, so that simpletons and whamen (non-gamers) could enjoy Larian's bestiality porno. lmfao

>>715274271
Sounds kinda ADHD but happy you have games that suit your taste

>>715274870
I walk into a supermarket and say "horse fruit" and nobody cares
I walk into a synagogue and say "hail hitler" and suddenly everyone is triggered
it's literally just two words put together

>>715274271
>Anything less than that is just the video-game equivalent of getting cucked
I really believe the degradation of language is a real and evil thing.

>>715275278
Imagine a platformer where, instead of timing your jumps, you opened a menu and selected "jump" and then your character performs the jump in-universe but there's no animation for it so you just have to imagine it. Imagine a racing game where you had to open up a menu and select "drift". Sounds absurd, right? So why are your precious turn-based RPGs the only exception to gameplay otherwise being responsive and satisfying? May as well just play a fucking text adventure game at that point

>>715275195
>but turn-based fags cried and cried and cried for years that they are overwhelmed by the "confusing" real time aspect of the combat
No such thing ever happened, people rightfully complained that that RTwP is garbage that doesn't do either aspects right, which is why it's extinct and even the current stragglers who stil insist on this dogshit system have been forced to put a turn based option.
>which was dumbed down to Pokemon levels
BG1-2 were literally right clicking on things and watching them explode, you can solo BG1 with a mediocre Berserker build and literally do nothing but right click attack things from beginning to end, which is why you faggots ended up making SCS to begin with since BG1-2 are notoriously braindead.
I hate people who try to rewrite the records so much.

>>715275564
Degradation of language and education. Everything is about getting cucked these days. Go back 5 years and I don't know if that word was even in the lexicon of people not into cuckoldry

>>715275618
>Why is a genre fundamentally rooted in abstraction forced to work on abstraction?
You're mentally challenged, what's next, why is backgammon a turn based game?

>>715275716
>5 years
Eh, it entered (or I guess RE-entered, since cuckold actually used to be a common term) the mainstream lexicon in 2016, but yeah

>>715275195
>Then we got BG3, which was dumbed down
BG3 is dumbed down because it's fucking 5e D&D. Not because it's turnbased. If BG3 was still AD&D it would have been awesome.

>>715275618
so those games aren't for you. football manager games, gacha games and flight sim games aren't for me, but I don't seethe about them.

there's a really strange attitude among anti turn based fags where they act like the existence of these kinds of games are some huge offence to gaming itself and needs to be wiped out. what gives? do you talk like this about any other genre? I'm willing to bet you and none of your allies in this thread do.

>>715275618
I think you should play the games you like and chill out about games you don't like and people playing them

>>715275618
Let me guess, the latest Marvelslop movie is better than any movie from the 1940s because they're in colour and don't make you imagine anything

>>715275796
Next you'll tell me Xbox is retro!

>>715275742
RPGs are tabletop games. Of course they're rooted in abstraction. It's a fundamental limitation of the medium. Now what's video-games' excuse? Why did video-games keeps that limitation of tabletop RPGs but objectively improved upon every other facet? Why are the sprites animated? They're not animated in tabletop games so they shouldn't be animated in video-games, right? Do you see how fucking arbitrary the existence of turn-based combat is?

>>715274287
16 barely even has a story.

>>715254865 (OP)
we arent

>>715276094
I can imagine you are also befuddled by why go-karts and bike racing are a thing when F1 exists

>>715275618
I used to think the people who complained about gen z growing up in a world that didn't encourage the use of imagination were being alarmist but now I think they may have had a point

are you really so disgusted by the thought of having to use your own brains even slightly? I'm not even mad, I just feel bad for you and every other retard who thinks like this.

would final fantasy work as a crpg

>>715275862
>what gives?
Because most turn-based RPGs LOOK cool in every other facet but the combat is a dealbreaker, so it's a frustrating blueball. It's like a really awesome looking movie but it's in a foreign language and there's no subs available. I don't agonize over flight sim games because I fundamentally don't give a shit about them in any way. But if Final Fantasy had action combat, it'd probably be my favorite franchise, because everything else about it is cool

>>715276094
Have you EVER read a book, and was it a painful and frustrating experience for you?

>>715276360
Why does foot racing still exist when we have vehicles anyway?

>>715276460
well at least now we know what kind of retard is waging war in these threads and why

>>715276369
Turn-based combat has always been considered dorky even by video-game standards. It's not just a zoomer thing

>>715254865 (OP)
the 13 games had shit stories. the only thing bigger than the shit stories were lightning's grand canyon sized thigh gap

>>715254865 (OP)
JRPG fanboys need to be euthanized
This includes Clair Obscur fans.

>>715265595
lmao the projection is intense

>>715276493
If I was watching a movie and it was nothing but a 2-hour text crawl, yeah, I think that would be frustrating for anyone. If I wanted to read, I'd open up a book, not watch a movie. If I wanted turn-based combat, I'd play a tabletop game, not a video-game

>>715255182
And antis just want to watch the games on youtube. You can't even be bothered with spamming a single button; just want to watch the cutscenes and say you played the game.

>>715276575
You sound very mad. What's up?

>>715276608
>Turn-based combat has always been considered dorky
We're talking about fucking videogames you retard
Stop huffing memes. Girls aren't soaking their panties because CHAD buys an action JRPG or laughing at VIRGIN for buying a turn based game

>>715258474
You cannot "study" Game of Thrones, to be anything like GRRM you would need to become an austist obsessed with history and read vast amounts of literature.

>>715257105
I hate random encounters. At the very least give me a sign that I'm about to peel or something.

>>715263228
E33 looks like UE5 slop. It gets carried by stylized visuals, not the face scans.

>>715276958
>by video-games standards
Fucking illiterate retard. You literally deliberately omitted it from your greentext because you knew including it would make your following statement sound stupid. Absolutely baffling behavior. Anyways, dorkiness is a spectrum. Call of Duty isn't at the same level of dorkiness as Dungeons & Dragons

>>715277040
Yeah I already said it looks great

>>715276608
>Turn-based combat has always been considered dorky even by video-game standards.
Video games were dorky in general and appealed to actually smart needs. You needed to learn how to use a computer to play Ultima and Wizardry. You also cannot bullshit your way while playing StarCraft or Baldur's Gate, you actually needed to improve and understand tactics.

This was invalidated by console children who played Final Fantasy X and Halo CE, games which aren't completely mindless but are ultimately very accessible. These kids are the ones demanding for three-niggas-in-a-row to come back rather than playing slightly more complex turn based games like Baldur's Gate, Fire Emblem and X-COM.

>>715277114
You're the sad fag who is worried about the cool factor when buying final fantasy games lmao
You probably love kingdom fucking hearts. Tell me more about dorky videogames while muting sora donald and goofy singing mermaid songs.

>>715277332
I said it gets carried by the visual style. If you actually zoom into the characters or the environments you get raped by the UE5 blur and overall jankiness.

>>715277557
>You probably love kingdom fucking hearts
No. Never played it. What now?

>>715277497
>needs
nerds*

As long its not another misery porn, FF can be grim but ultimately light hearted.

>>715277721
Why not? It's got the combat system you want from FF. Seems strange to have ignored it all this time. Too dorky for you?

>>715277637
Looks fine, especially for a $30million game.
Art style is crazy good, plus the characters move in a realistic way rather than how anime characters would emote or in FF16 where outside of rendered cutscenes they don't move at all except their heads to look at the person they are talking to.
Game looks great.

>>715277825
Yeah, you said it yourself. It looks pretty fucking gay. Even child me recognized that

>>715272510
Dark Souls is more like a very slow Diablo where you actually get punished for your mistakes.

>>715254865 (OP)
every single game with lighting fucking sucked

>>715255826
it's literally one rumor going against years of "any day now" falling underneath the entire company restructuring
people are only giving it credence because they didn't announce the remake on the anniversary date, which is retarded considering none of the 7R games were announced on the actual anniversary of the original game's release either

>>715254865 (OP)
Final Fantasy just needs better waifus and more polish. Squeenix has worked on their MMOs for so long they forgot how to appeal to men, and how to not turn their games into bloated pieces of shit. The characters need to be cool, the story needs to be snappy and memorable like a half decent anime. Persona has good waifus, E33 has decent ones, and the story and world of those are easy to convey. Just focus on what matters and make sure the gameplay works alongside everything else.

>>715255054
No, it was disappointing.

>needs better stories
why are they using XVI, a game with a mediocre at worst story, instead of Rebirth, a game with a legitimately dogshit story, for an article like that? is it just circling back to XVI not having enough niggers again?

>>715277934
Seems to me like you just have insecurity issues. Maybe you need a less dorky hobby.

>>715261423
>Since when is ATB not turn-based?
Watched a gameplay now and when can this combat be considered turn based, the clock is basically always running and you just attack when the meter is all full and the mobs attack whenever they want even if you're actively attacking.
This is just like if someone wanted both action and turn based combat at the same time, and if I'm honest, these garbage combat mechanics the ff games have pulled since the ps1 are the worst we've ever seen in a videogame, at least 16 actually had real action combat.

>>715279094
XVI has a vendetta against it from SJWs and weebs. It’s fucking bizarre.

>>715276094
Holy fuck you ARE mentally challenged
>Hurr durr chess is a tabletop game, WHAT'S CHESSMASTER'S EXCUSE???

>>715279895
Because it was a game madr for no one.