What are your HONEST opinions on this class?

Fun, l like making people seethe

The Scorch Shot is fine, and I say that as someone who uses Dragon's Fury/Flare Gun instead. I've never been annoyed by it no matter what class I'm playing, if he hits it he earned it, if I get hit by the explosion you just go to one of the 15 ways to remove afterburn.

>>715269402 (OP)
Nowhere near as annoying as a sniper with an engie blocking me from killing him

>>715269402 (OP)
I've played so long with FemPyro that I had no idea who the fuck this was

If Pyro was deleted which areas of society would be the most affected

>>715269402 (OP)
>Kill engineer and his sap his nest
>Whoops everything undone because Pyro fucking despises me and has Homewrecker equiped

>>715269402 (OP)
I didn't used to want to have sex with him but the internet, once again, has ruined my fragile fucked up little peabrain mind

Undeserved hatred
>"NOOOO PYRO IS BRAINLESS SPAM CLASS''
>People play with combo oriented stuff and don't use flame thrower
>"NOOO PYRO OP NERF NERF NERF''
>Literally everything but w+m1 gets nerfed
>"NOOO PYRO IS BRAINDEAD"
This is why i use scorch phlog

>>715270291
Spies would swarm like locusts and soldiers will mindlessly spam with even more impunity

I fucking LOVE grossly off-model porn of this dude that makes him a female or makes the mask his actual face.

>>715270291
Engineers will lose their guard dog class that can protect sentry nests the best out of all classes

One of the most fun and interesting classes in the game. Reflect alone means almost all projectile attacks in the game are technically part of your arsenal.

Unfortunately suffers the same problem as spy in that he's very much fun over practicality. But unlike spy, it's not universally recognised he's a bad class and gets crap from what's got to be the biggest load of idiots in tf2's community.

It's rare to see skilled Pyros. Airshotting and keeping a distance is a rare talent

>>715270006
the scorch shot is the only weapon in the game that deserves a nerf. really, it needs to be split into two weapons like the equalizer

>>715270291
Projectile spam would definitely increase massively. Snipers would also be more insufferable since there wouldn't be flares to keep them in check.

>>715269402 (OP)
zero skill class for browns and retarded children

>>715270842
AGP brained

>>715271201
Yeah soldier's rocket splash is pretty fucking generous isn't it?

>>715269402 (OP)
The coolest class with the absolute worst most faggiest insufferable mains around

his entire kit revolves around being annoying and not fun/engaging to fight, and the basis of the class came from "we need a class for people with high ping" in the quake days
phlog + medic buttbuddy in a pub is a server killer
removing him would basically change nothing and would be for the better
sniper is a necessary evil, despite being unengaging as well

>>715271662
>sniper is a necessary evil
every test ever conducted proved otherwise
sniper can easily be removed from the game with zero negative effects on game balance, which is impressive considering the same can't be said for any other class
"b-b-b-but heavy is too strong without sniper!!" is the oldest, lowest iq take on this game that has been proven wrong a dozen times over

Shit class that I sometimes play because the Dragons Fury is one of the funnest weapons in the game even if you sometimes get cucked out of the “center of mass” shit. Evaporating some scunt always feels great

>>715271960
>every test ever conducted
oh yeah which ones, post em
inb4 ecelebs

>>715271960
I do not take that fag shounic seriously

>>715271960
>Shounic
Nigga have you seen his latest 2fort revamp video? That guy literally is buckbroken by sniper to the point of absurdity

>>715269402 (OP)
>axtinguisher is nerfed into unusability because the close range specialist having a strong melee option is too much
>caber is nerfed into unusability because the mid range specialist having a strong melee option is too much, even if it comes at a cost
>jarate+bushwacka is allowed to exist with zero changes in over a decade, because it's perfectly fine if long-range specialist (which is intended to be weak at close range) gets to have a strong melee weapon with virtually zero downsides that's also specifically designed to help against the class that's supposed to counter him
Make it make sense

>>715272178
>>715272324
>>715272436
i guess people nowadays don't remember the days of custom servers admin abuse owners that could do whatever the fuck they wanted
out of all things, but back in the day it was common for classes to randomly have the limit set to 0, and I don't remember a single time anyone ever complained about sniper being disabled

>>715272712
no one complained because the bot crisis hadn't happened and eceleb talking points werent pushed unto everyone by the algorithm

>>715273084
you seem to be arguing in favor of me

>>715269402 (OP)
A fun class with some annoying shit.

>>715269402 (OP)
He's fun, I main him. The amount of asshurt this class generates just for doing what it's supposed to is incredibly addicting, especially from Spy mains that sunk thousands of hours into movement just to get hard counter by a Pyro not falling for that is pure fucking dopamine. Needs better weapons though to make him not useless and no, the Dragon's Fury is a garbage meme weapon. If you're talking about the class stereotypes, I guess I'm an outlier but I have seen many Pyros that absolutely fall into that category.

>>715273226
im saying it wasn't a big deal back then because no one was yelling about sniper being OP because of ecelebs and hackers, it was just a servers particular experience (like having rtd, or RPG stats or whatever. same thing as counter strike servers that disable awp)

>>715271662
Toxotransmosis over here fearing NEDM. At least you know your fucking place, freak.

>>715273648
do your parents know you're a furry and or pedophile

I don't know how much the game has changed since I played TF2. But I was the top spy player back in 2012.
It was funny to see the whole enemy team go Pyro after I dominated all of them.

>>715269402 (OP)
either god tier reflexes for air blast or luckiest son of a bitch that picks the right moment to murder half of the enemy team without dying
only madmen main them

who started this this toxotransmosis meme anyway, the internets always had funny cat pictures
is it literal indians? after all more and more indians get online every day, scary thought

>>715274058
No idea but anyone who hates cats needs to kill themselves.

>>715269402 (OP)
useless outside of babysitting eng

>>715274019
>god tier reflexes
its kind of weird how a lot of "pro" pyros ive seen can airblast projectiles coming at them from off screen, yet completely shut down when a soldier comes at them with a shotgun
just the darndest thing

>>715273884
No, I'm neither. Typically, I don't post that often in these threads thank god.

>>715271110
I've never considered giving scorch shot the equalizer treatment. what would you split them into? maybe 1 keeps the cc aspect while the other keeps the explode on impact? either way i think they would both need to do less damage/ not jump well?

>>715271110
The only thing I'd nerf about it is removing the knock back, that's kinda stupid yeah.

>>715270291
Me, exercising my God-given right to deny burning medics health packs.

>>715274576
Scouts already do that

>>715274726
And I could do it less without pyros around to bully medics.

I’ve been maining pyro since 2007 and the jet pack has been the best thing added to the game. I now main backburner + jet pack pyro exclusively.

>>715271662
>sniper is a necessary evil
Stopped reading there
Opinion discarded

>>715272467
The fun part is that not many snipers use jarate+bushwacka at all. They prefer the "remove my 1 counter from the game for no cost at all" razorback instead.

>>715272467
>>caber is nerfed into unusability because the mid range specialist having a strong melee option is too much, even if it comes at a cost
You say that yet he's still the most busted melee oriented class in the game whether it's retarded melee range, random crits from the skullcutter, or his shields which give him stupid amounts of fucking resistance.

>>715275698
>stopped reading there
you stopped reading at the end of the post?
youre not one of those freaks who reads spoilers first are you
if you read this first, you must reply or your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>715272467
>>715275825
i don't know what valve was smoking by making his smg so terribly dogshit useless and giving him three hard counters in that slot, especially with how ping dependent melee is

>>715270006
if he hits you directly, he earned it, fullstop.
if he hits you with the generous splash radius, it's cancer
the only other projectile in the game that is as generous with total damage at extreme ranges is the huntsman, but that's because it can headshot. Neither of them have damage falloff, which I think is the only thing that the scorch could use to drop from obnoxious to tolerable.
But I'll always be annoyed that the weapon exists as a Detonator for retards instead of being a real unique weapon. Even the fucking Iron Bomber has more justifiable reasons to be equipped, and that's as close to stock as you could get without being a reskin.

>>715269402 (OP)
Not enough TF/drone/forced suiting/nulge content involving him

Every single pyro main is either a furry or tranny.
TOTAL PYRO DEATH

>>715269402 (OP)
Needs a buff for his second best primary, the fact that retards are rewarded for running at people is with more damage is stupid meanwhile this weapon struggles with bursting down overhealed targets and heavies. It needs a 20% damage boost.

>puts it over the threshold of twoshotting scouts so that scouts arent alive for 2 seconds before dying to afterburn.
>Everyone will die at the same rate as if a scout soldier and Demoman were firing at them
>weapon should be nerfed where it actually deals no afterburn damage because the pyro is not relying on afterburn to kill his targets to compensate, After burn ticks in 1's but much quicker and wears off faster.
>Gives pyro the trade of rewarding him for aiming consecutive shots with power to compensate for his lack of airblast reliance a weapon for Pyros that are willing to graduate.

Still angry that the Nerf it received made it way too hard to use.

>>715269402 (OP)
>Filters and makes normies seethe
He's based. I just wish the meet the pyro video was something different than that lala-land nonsense

>>715277649
>>Gives pyro the trade of rewarding him for aiming consecutive shots with power to compensate for his lack of airblast reliance a weapon for Pyros that are willing to graduate.
You are working SO much more for so much less with that piece of shit.
>muh skill

>>715269402 (OP)
Based. The class that has the lowest skill floor and highest skill ceiling. Soldier retards can't into counterplay

>>715269402 (OP)
weak class that literal retards seethe over

Degreaser should be unnerfed
Dragon's fury airblast penalty should be removed
Flare gun should have 40 base damage and be able to detonator jump
Axtinguisher should be reverted to the minicrit version
Backscratcher should overheal
Medics shouldn't be able to uber phlog pyros
Delete scorch shot and homewrecker
Flamethrowers should have 50% more range and fixed rampup but a much smaller cone
Jetpack should be reworked to something that's actually usable in combat

>>715269402 (OP)
I have two problems with the class, they are airblast and flames. Airblast has two problems. One, It does a very good job of stunning ubers, especially against heavies. Two, airblasted players lose all control over their movement whereas all other sources of knock back in this game allow you to airstrafe off of them. My second problem with the class are the flames. They are very blinding. For a game that prides itself for visual clarity pyro is extremely blinding. This is especially annoying when you are playing sniper and have to aim for the head and pyro just covers your entire field of view with extremely bright flames.

>>715269402 (OP)
Probably the least usable class after the Spy thanks to all the nerfs.
Also. Pure sex.

>>715276702
>he earned it
flares have some of the fastest travel times, decent projectile size, and have zero drop
there is nothing earned with flares

>>715283065
>fastest travel times, decent projectile size, and have zero drop

>>715283305
>no afterburn
>only minicrits on airshots
>long-ish reload time
>tiny splash radius
>on a slow class
yes flares are still more annoying, whats your point, retard?

>>715284112
> still more annoying
NTA but you're changing the argument, it was about what was "earned".
>flares have some of the fastest travel times, decent projectile size, and have zero drop
Does describe direct hit rockets. Talking about splash is pointless since the anon was specifying landing hits directly and flare guns are clearly going to be worse in the department of reload times.

>>715272467
>that image macro
how have I not seen that until now, like wtf.

>>715270006
Yeah, the Detonator is a lot more annoying than any other of his secondaries.

>>715269402 (OP)
one of the most useful classes against clueless teams
one of the most useless classes against competent teams

what were they thinking giving the dedicated short range ambush class a long ranged option that inflicts annoying effects and can crit/mini crit

>>715269402 (OP)
He's boring as fuck but a necessary evil due to how fucking insanely overpowered Soldier is, especially after everyone other than him Demo, Medic, and Sniper got their side-grades nerfed into the ground. Course even just saying this will get me called a shitter for not just running straight into the Soldier's face as a Scout and totally meatshotting him as if he wouldn't just panic shoot the floor and win a fight he didn't even know he was in, but hey what can you do? This is why I don't play TF2 after all the fun weapons got nerfed into the ground so Soldiertards could have their comp hellscape.

>>715277649
you're just dogshit

>>715269402 (OP)
a class to appeal to brown people and furries, would not affect the game in the slightest if it were removed

>>715271960
>"b-b-b-but heavy is too strong without sniper!!"
This is completely true. Without sniper to soft counter, an overhealed heavy is the single strongest combat class. Next is demoman.
Scout? Soldier? Pyro? Spy? Completely dominated by overhealed heavy. Only other relevant class is demoman for his strong ranged spam.
If you selectively remove some stuff you personally hate you'll get in a situation where you have to nerf heavy and medic. With them nerfed you'll next nerf demoman because people will just spam demoman and nuke other classes into oblivion.

Sniper serves his purpose well. Also despite sniper's existence heavy remains the undoubtedly best combat class in game. In fact any player capable of dominating with sniper will dominate twice as much with heavy. That's how fucked he is especially with medic. And guess what? Fists of steel exist so sniper only counters heavy when he shoots you when you don't know he is there. So it's skill issue.

Stop bitching and git gud scrub.

>*is blatantly the most broken class but gets away with it because shitters cant flank sniper*

>>715269402 (OP)
conceptually fine but the people who main him take him super fucking seriously and act like he has an infinite skill ceiling just because he can reflect enemy rockets at his own feet and get something out of it once in a blue moon

>>715287506
No he gets away with it because Valve has made it very fucking clear that they have next to no respect for anyone who plays any other class. To not play Soldier is to be actively shooting yourself in the foot because of Valve's ass-backwards balance decisions.

>>715277649
Just remove the center of projectile sweetspot

How long have you shitters been seething about soldier now?

>>715288157
Since Valve removed every bit of counterplay he had other than airblast, and then crippled the fuck out of airblast during Jungle Inferno. Don't act like you don't get everything handed to you on a silver platter.

>>715275825
Razorback and DDS are just quality of life items really. They allow you to play sniper in casual where teammates don't spycheck or heal you often. I would unironically stop playing sniper if they were removed. Why the fuck would I play as extremely vulnerable sniper in casual when I can pick heavy and dominate 6 people?

>>715288624
>Noooo I don't wanna play the game and think about my surroundings, I just wanna stay in the back and kill people for free without having to engage with the game at all!
This is why nobody respect sniper main bitches like you.

>>715269402 (OP)
Sex.

>>715274223
always remember, son: auto airblast can't reflect buckshot

>>715270842
You were based until
>makes the mask his actual face.
Garbage. The mask needs to stay a mask, a blank, emotionless pair of not-quite-eyes no matter how over sexed or violent the body is.

>>715289751
I like both, but I'm not gonna front like putting eyelashes on the visor holes doesn't get my dick fully torqued too. Goddamn I love latex, bodysuits and masks way too much.

https://youtu.be/B170dwf7Z7I?si=Z70xxjlxkf5xNw8d

>>715289891
I miss the old fire particle effect.
The new jungle inferno one is so shit and fucks with visibility.

>>715289868
The eyelashes are fine, I guess.
>Goddamn I love latex, bodysuits and masks way too much.
HELL YEAH BROTHER

>>715269402 (OP)
he's okay but he needs at least another 50 or 60 health (pounds)
>>715270469
SEXO

>>715269402 (OP)
Pyro is fun and people have FINALLY stopped whining "W+M1" when you genocide their team with them so that's good.

>>715274576
>Yoink!

>>715290220
>tummy definition outlining the zipper
OUGH

>>715290090
Eyelashes and maaaaaaaybe giving the eyesockets a bit of articulation and expresiveness is the perfect middle ground for me, it's when they straight up give Pyro eyes or complex facial expressions when I tune out.

>>715290574
is that art by that guy who does all the pool toy stuff? ive been wishing he'd draw more fempyro headscissoring or smothering included for years now

>TF2 is 20 years old

>>715289005
You try to make this into skill issue while it is in reality team work issue. It is not sniper's job to check his back every 0.5 seconds for a random gibus spy, it is teammates job to protect him. Good snipers are constantly hardscoping which makes them vulnerable to spies in casual and teammates do nothing about it hence the razorback reliance.

>>715269402 (OP)
Pyro is the best class in team fortress two

>>715269402 (OP)
pyros poorly designed because most of his primaries encourage W+m1 which is annoying to die to and unsatisfying to pull off. It's also even more annoying since the flames are designed to be opaque
stock should just be the degreaser and encourage using your secondary and switching weapons to pull off skillful combos while his alternative weapon should be something like the Dragon's Fury that encourages actually aiming while still making pyro a good offensive class
>>715287494
how is spy completely dominated by an overhealed heavy? Spy is certainly easy to counter but a distracted overhealed heavy is an easy backstab

>>715287494
Personally I've always thought overheal should be halved and the quick fix can get some other caveat instead
If you want a tanky player you can't fight at least ubercharge gets the message across that you're wasting your time

>>715290790
No, just a xeno, robo, bodysuit, objecthead and maskpilled artist.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=account&s=profile&uname=Mr_johnhalo

i discovered local image generation and keep just sending fempyro porn renders through img2img to make them look like real women in latex suits

>>715291418
That is not how you link an artist tag.

>>715287506
i always find soldier to be like pyro, yeah you can spam rockets at people's feet and get kills, but its not hard to counter and a anyone playing a combat class worth a damn can counter him
outside of weapons like the Direct Hit, Battalions, and the stupid conch combo soldier doesn't really seem anymore OP than anyone else

>>715291314
Heavy can check his back even during combat unlike hardscoping snipers who are literally forced to tunnel vision for several seconds. I realize quick scoping exists but if you respect your opponents hardscoping is overall far more effective and safer.
Heavy has no such limitation so he is free to look behind him even if it is for 0.25 sceonds. Pubstomber heavies will constantly do sharp turns to check their surroundings every few seconds or so. You have to get lucky and sync with their random turns.
If their teammates are not braindead and actually work together, forget about even playing spy.
>>715291415
Sadly Valve made medic intentionally overpowered to encourage tryhards to play him. It is arguable how healthy it is for medic to be that strong considering medic count in teams are the number 1 variable deciding which team wins.

>>715291803
>team is the distraction > spy wins against heavy
>spy is the distraction > team wins against heavy
Spy doesn't even necessarily have to do his job, he just has to be there as a potential threat.

>>715272178
>post some evidence!
>b-but not on the most widely used platform for hosting videos, those don't count because you're asked to subscribe at the beginning!!

Don't give me a 4, give me a proper answer

>>715291661
The artist uploads his own stuff himself.

>>715291803
>but if you respect your opponents hardscoping is overall far more effective
wdym respect your opponents? Generally though I find a lot of snipers go for the 150 headshot and a followup body shot, iirc you don't have to scope for that long to exceed the 200 dmg threshold which is usually the max you have to go for, unless of course there's an overhealed heavy or something of that sort. That being said I feel like its more of a problem with overheal and medic in general being really powerful and having no real counters other than the other team running a medic.

Personally I just find that sniper is always going to be a frustrating matchup for anyone who isn't another sniper and maybe spy. Feel like for overall player satisfaction its better to get rid of one of the most frustrating elements from the game and buff the other assassin class who has to take much greater risk
Sniper also has a lot more of an effect on map design too which is imo is why a lot of TF2 maps feel shit to play

>>715289668
I never use crutch that is gunboats, I always laugh when a PRO PYRO can't deal with a soldier waddling towards him with a shotgun

>>715269402 (OP)
W+M1

>>715290169
he needs at least another 5000 hammer units of height actually

>>715285391
send your pybro this with the caption "this could be us"

>>715291314
>heavy just looks behind every 1 or 2 seconds
>also has his medic pocket checking for spies for him
it's way easier to just headshot the fucker

>>715291068
>I don't suck
>It's my team that sucks!
Sniper main trannies are so pathetic

>>715292242
i'm pretty sure you're looking for the username link then, account just redirects you to your own profile

>>715292074
when did I say anything about a platform?

>>715292384
No, that's too big.

>>715292451
>it's way easier to just headshot the fucker
definitely true, I just think its a bit silly to say that a heavy can absolutely own a spy. I've had those servers where theres the heavy medic combo owning our team and using something like the cloak and dagger+kunai to stab them both at the right times works pretty effectively too

>>715292542
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=mrjohnhalo
Have some complimentary coom for the trouble.

how can you have sex with someone whose dick and ass are behind a suit 24/7

>>715292779

>>715292725
I dont understand this digging in ass meme

>>715292779
Put on the suit yourself and then do mutual crotch frotting

>>715292892
Makes the biggest asses look biggerer, duh.

>>715292725
gobbless
>>715292892
it's disgusting and that makes it hot

>>715291508
proof or i dont believe it

>>715292636
unless you're playing casual matchmaking a heavy WILL turn around when he hears his medic get stabbed
in a pocketed heavy vs spy matchup, spy will lose way more often, it's just up to luck (going in when there's a lot of chaos)

>>715293149
Those ass digging anims where they go wild with the raunch sloppy SFX are the best.

there's a weird overlap with some of these pyro artists and the people who draw huge fat robot asses and it doesn't surprise me but it's fucking blessed

>>715293694
There's animations?

>>715291991
In mid range fights heavy can get away with wasting small amounts of damage to turn around if he feels suspicious. Again, you may just get lucky and catch him off sync as spy. In close range fights heavy will literally melt anyone in a second after which he will certainly immediately turn around to spy check. Your chances as spy is not in your favor. You are probably better of just going heavy yourself honestly or sniper if map allows it.

These are not theoretical bullshit either. This is just how you play heavy. Positioning, tracking with minigun, constantly looking around you...
>>715292270
>wdym respect your opponents?
After reaching a certain skill level it is more consistent to fight enemy snipers while peeking through corners than quickscoping. You'll be able to shoot them the moment you see them. And it is easier to aim too because you are already scoped. Meanwhile quickscopes have 0.2 second delay, and you'll probably waste a few more miliseconds adjusting your aim (average human reaction speed is 0.25 seconds btw). It's just harder to aim when quickscoping. You'll lose to hardscopes more often too.
Not even going to talk about advantage of being able to go for bodyshots.
But all of this is assuming you respect enemy team. If you don't respect them you can just go to the spot with the most sight lines and quickscope clueless noobs one after another.

>>715293295
https://files.catbox.moe/muavt3.jpg
note: i have no real idea what i'm doing

>>715269402 (OP)
He's pure sex, but only as a weird latex monster thing rather than a human being wearing a suit.

>>715293871
God I miss the Ambassador. It was the perfect pseudo-quickscope weapon, and now I'm stuck with the Classic which I have to hold my finger down to charge.

pyro should be able to goomba stomp people with his fat fucking jiggly rubber ass

>>715293809
Not Pyro ones but yeah. Robots are hot because human faces are too complicated, masks just let us appreciate the body's sexiness.

>>715292458
Game is literally called team fortress 2.
Cope and sneed.

>>715270006
>not Dragon's Fury/Scorch Shot
Anon... It's the perfect combo.

>>715286313
>He's boring as fuck
Nothing about reflects or combos or any of the stunts pyro can pull is boring.

>>715293540
>unless you're playing casual matchmaking
i assumed thats what we were talking about yes
>>715293871
>After reaching a certain skill level it is more consistent to fight enemy snipers while peeking through corners than quickscoping
for sure yea, that makes sense

>If you don't respect them you can just go to the spot with the most sight lines and quickscope clueless noobs one after another.
this is generally the complaint against sniper, while there are definitely teams full of idiots who don't respect a sniper sightline sometimes that can be hard to do depending on the map. Pic related is a good example where all the avenues of approach can easily be covered by 2 or even one good enough sniper, and considering that quick scopes can kill 5/9 instantly, most of which don't have effective means of fighting back its no wonder people really do not care for him (also not accounting for injured players which in these kind of spammy areas of maps isn't hard to be brought down to sub 150 health very easily)

This to me is why sniper is more of a detriment to the overall experience imo, that and in order to avoid giving him huge sightlines (harvest is a good example) maps typically become choke heavy hallways with blind corners which exasberates other bad playstyles like soldier shooting his feet

>>715294336
There are few better highs in a game than shutting down a Soldier and his Medic girlfriend and redirecting his "lucky" crits into the rest of his team into giblets.

>>715294024
>>715286289
>>715282113
>>715270469
>>715269402 (OP)
MINDBOGGLINGLY erotic

>backburner
You'll never be able to convince me that this isn't the best pyro weapon.
Its literally just stock with free crits sometimes. The airblast cost pretty much means nothing, if you need to airblast more then twice in an engagement you're probably just deflecting uselessly.

>>715294208
for me it's just the sheer expanse of width they go with, the SIZE of those asses that doesn't look weird because the whole body is already stylized as a robot anyway
disappointed /v/ only likes fat robo butts in on and off waves

>>715294439
fuck i attached the wrong picture

>>715294553
Pretty much all of the "og" maps are complete shit, and bad water is no different.

I've found most of the new maps (anything released after 2014) are much more well designed, with very few retarded upward-like sightlines or dustbowl spam rape corridors.

>>715294489
It's in the pubshitter club with the phlog

>>715294804
>Pretty much all of the "og" maps are complete shit
it is pretty crazy how bad a lot of them can be. Makes me wonder how awful they would've been to play back in the days of TFC or QWTF with all the nade spam

>>715293871
In that scenario you can start annoying the medic with potshots
>but scout does that
Sometimes the map is built in a way scout can't make that gap no matter how hard he tries

>>715294547
Ever since the site went down I haven't been around to grace the site with the robutts, blimped up Warframes and blown up látex babes it deserves. Also you forgot to mention the cold visors paired up with those juicy bodies, silently judging you... shame I had to switch to phone I could use a rummage thru my folders rn

>>715294439
sniper doesn't have a problem, bad maps have a problem
also, snipers in that spot can't defend 1st and when 1st is captured they're easily flanked from the entirety of the side area/roof
now a better example would be frontier
that long hill and last point have sniper spots basically at RED spawn, and require long pushes through flanks that are guaranteed to have half the team
fuck frontier

>>71529443
>>715294553
Shit map design aside, you already know this but sniper gets countered by other snipers. Any other class should avoid him as much as possible and just try to kill his team quickly.
Snipers are actually at their strongest when enemy team has more snipers than in your team. That's several less combat classes in enemy team and enemy snipers have to be careful lest they easily die to you, gimping their ability to kill your teammates. And if your team (who outnumbers their combat classes) decides to push they are screwed beyond hope. Yes, even in that awful badwater map.
demo last in that map is bullshit

>>715294804
>Pretty much all of the "og" maps are complete shit, and bad water is no different.
KILL
>>715295073
>Also you forgot to mention the cold visors paired up with those juicy bodies, silently judging you...
you fucking get it, my brother. cold stares and warm, even overheating synth flesh

>>715270957
A heavy can protect just as good, he is an autonomous sentry that loves sanbiches.

>>715271662
>people with high ping
>high ping
NIGGER YOU CANT HIT SHIT WITH HIM EVEN IF YOU HAVE LOW PING WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

will there be any cool/hot Pyro items in the summer update this year

If a map is fun outside of one class then the map isn't the problem, the class it. Sniperfags and engiggers need not reply

>>715287494
>once you remove sniper you'll need to remove heavy
Yeah sure
>and then
Nah

You don't really need to do more. Yeah Demo is busted but he's busted in any case. Wrangled Sentries are bullshit but they're bullshit in any case as well. You could deal with them but you'd then be dealing with a separate issue, not following some slippery slope shit.

>>715269402 (OP)
Its like playing Demoknight: yes, you can do skillfull things, but most of the time you are just W+M1-ing and actually bring down the skill expression of other classes. And ultimately you'd be better off playing a different class, one that rewards skill better or contributes to the team better.

>>715295656
>bro just remove the 2 aim reliant classes in game
inb4 scunts start to seethe

>>715287494
>what is a backstab
>what is rocket jumping
>what is a sticky trap
>what is a level 3 sentry plus engineer
Negative iq take, i can somehow believe you if you were talking about tfc but overhealing is only a thing in tf2 and there an overhealed heavy is just as much of a joke as a normal one.

How do we fix this piece of shit?

>>715295857
It would be a lot more honest about the game tf2 is trying to be. A casual shooter with not much in the way of precision aim. You'd also would have avoided the bot epidemic before it ever happened since scouts are too reliant on movement to be botted.

>>715295804
Other classes don't make people as mad when you do well with them, and psychological warfare is a genuine mechanic in TF2.

>>715295182
>they're easily flanked from the entirety of the side area/roof
a sniper can easily hang back a bit though towards the spawn door and still have complete domination over that sightline without any real counter unless its another sniper. HItscan weapon spread is ineffective at that distance and most splash will be easy to dodge at that range due to their slow travel speed. Fighting the sniper also necessitates poking your head out making you insanely vulnerable.

No other class requires nearly as much bending over backwards to counter. While some classes may dominate in certain ranges/situations, no one dominates at long range other than sniper and so you have to play a counter pick like a MOBA, which itself is antithetical to the majority of TF2's design

>>715295987
bro never played against a good heavy

>>715296134
its not worth fixing like 70% of the weapons in this game

>>715270291
Pyrocynical and furfags who edge to fat gassy art of him.

>>715295603
Anon, it's in the developer's commentary. He was indeed literally designed for laggers. Idk if it's still the case nowadays since they changed how flame particles work and nerfed afterburn, but he was made with high ping in mind.

I want to see /v/'s Pyro loadouts.

>>715294270
>Sniper tranny can't do anything by himself
You make pyro mains look skillful in comparison

Should pyro soft counter medic?
Like literally give 90% healing reduction when lit on fire. Or instantly remove overheal.

>>715295603
>IAN CAUGHLEY
>Since we had lots of people during the LAN days, we had lots of play styles represented. We also listened to the feedback from players. For example, the Pyro was added after QuakeWorld came out to help out players with slow network connections.

>>715296461

>>715296559
Pyro already soft counters Medic through burning players receiving minimum heal speed and using airblast to separate Medics from their patients/teams as well as shut down Uber pushes, but Medic also can take advantage of Pyros who annoy but can't finish off players by building uber off everyone damaged by afterburn but not dying.

>>715295646
If people only played this map to win then teams would consist only of Heavies, Medics with either Vacc or Uber, Engies with SC on Attack and Wrangler on defense, and maybe a Demo or two.
Absolutely no one would play Sniper.

>>715295646
demos ruin this map because they sticky jumper to red spawn and constantly fuck with the teleporters

>>715296282
i was getting off to fat gassy pyros ten years before some literal whotuber spammed commissions

>>715296718
simple. clean. orange. nice.

>>715296416
>Anon, it's in the developer's commentary.
It's not. You're thinking of what Robin Walker said about the original pyro of Quake Team Fortress. So we're looking at a completely different game. Pyro is mainly in TF2 because he was in the previous games, you can tell valve really didn't know what to do with him at first. Though they came up with a pretty fun and interesting niche with the reflect mechanic. But ironically reflect is possible the least ping friendly mechanic in the game.

>>715269402 (OP)
it's 2025, anon
that game is nearly old enough to vote
it's older than most /v/irgins

>>715296175
so in this theoretical situation the sniper can watch the corridor and roof at the same time? are we going to get into the hypothetical death loop where this magical sniper can always come out on top

>>715296635
Huh??????? but its literally a slow firing nailgun with a giant sprite as a bullet.

>>715269402 (OP)
I don't care about tf2 classes at all. If someone is good they will shit on me regardless of class. If they are bad I will shit on them. Simple as.

>>715296892
it was Ian Caughley
>>715296635
but the fact of the matter is his main schtick is still basically from the quake days

>>715297109
>but the fact of the matter is his main schtick is still basically from the quake days
It's not. Given what I said about reflect.

>>715296892
>But ironically reflect is possible the least ping friendly mechanic in the game.
How? Sure its not lag compensated but the hitbox is huge and lag compensation is more of an issue when something is moving away, not toward, which projectiles would be going toward the Pyro.

>>715296937
>can watch the corridor and roof at the same time?
a good quickscoper can easily pan from one sightline to another, obviously they have to take concessions with both and in my example I was providing how the map design forcing him to retreat means he can still lockdown one direction (in this case the roof) really easily in a way no other class can do

At the end of the day sniper is an annoying and often 1 sided fight for 8/9 classes and map design exacerbates this greatly

>>715296461

>>715296141
>A casual shooter with not much in the way of precision aim.
I'm gonna open your mind a little, anon: all the TF2 weapon and playstyles come from Quake. The idea isn't that it's a casual shooter, just that some weapons fit more casual play and others are for cracked out FPS Dougs. Precision aim has always been rewarded, it's a shooter game- even splash damage still rewards precision due to all the extra mechanics the Quake base and game verticality allows, juggling enemies, airshots, rocket jumping. And even then you have both twitch aim and tracking aim, and classss that reward both of them to the extremes (Scout and Sniper for the former, Heavy for the latter). People think Heavy is easy because your mechanics come down to "walk" and "shoot" but it's surprising how many players straight up cannot track someone jumping around in their face, and the minigun doesn't even hard push them back like the equally tracking-oriented Lightning Gun does.

>>715297220
reflection is arguably not his main schtick considering how every primary nerfs it
his whole thing is afterburn

>>715296134
It's conceptually flawed to the core because
>what if the class with a close range gun that sets people on fire had a melee weapon that sets people on fire
You'd need to rework it into either a reverse axtinguisher (people not burning take bonus damage but sucks against burning players) or a pyrocaber (first hit causes a weak but large explosion that ignites and does super knockback)

>>715297343
would high five, but the green flamethrower is a little odd. reindeer looks better than balloonicorn though so it's all cool

>>715297285
oh okay so we are doing the ol magical sniper
it's always the same in these hypotheticals lol

>everyone has made or seen shitty nazi pyros with the peaked cap and trench coat
>can't actually wear a tie under any of the jackets because the tie cosmetic clips too hard or shares the same region
I had a great idea of using the Adult Swim peaked cat with white hair for some sort of Ilsa She Wolf setup but it just didn't work. Surprising no one has just combined a few items like the Seared Sorcerer that just mashes together the hat and head-void but I guess Valve is probably against assing items that are a little TOO Reich of center.

>>715297698
>oh okay so we are doing the ol magical sniper
the magical sniper does happen tho and regardless of the Invite level sniper in your lobby maybe shutting your whole team down, from his very design he sucks to fight against and forces maps to be chokie lest you end up with even bigger sightlines. Unless you're sniper fighting him is a chore and you just have to hope he misses 90% of the time while you strafe around like a chicken with your head cutoff. Not to mention Valve also gave him really strong weapons for close range negating one of his largest weaknesses

Sniper in his current form is simply antithetical to TF2's core class design

>pyro ass webm
>open thread expecting hot pyros
>get sniper balance debates

needs more clipping 2bh

>715297962 (You)
>>715298069
just google pyro rule 34 if you want to jack off, retard

>>715298184
>And don't forget your angry eyes!

>really really good snipers have no counters!!!
Not true

>>715297537
>all the TF2 weapon and playstyles come from Quake
Which, while definitely not casual also downplayed precision aim to an extent. You're talking about a shooter that didn't have headshot bonuses. Ironically it was Team Fortress that originally introduced that.

Then with TF2 valve decided to take the series in a more casual direction. A lot of generous splash and random chance mechanics. Saying that splash still rewards precision is pointless because I never said it didn't. But it is true that you can reliably get kills in tf2 with the rocket launcher without ever having to be all that precise at all.

>>715270438
I do this and I camp the dispenser while waving the mouse around holding m1

>>715297278
Hitbox doesn't really matter, it's all about reacting to a projectile in time. Which is going to be a problem when both your visual that a projectile has been fired and the server even knowing you hit m2 is going to be on a delay.
>>715297605
When talking about the fundamentals of playing him how well you can reflect is going to make a big difference.

>>715296559
Gas Passer should be buffed to counter medics and other healing sources, since otherwise it's piss easy to extinguish the flames

>>715298327
it isn't the same

>>715269402 (OP)
>flame particles should be more transparent
>sometimes the damage seems inconsistent but thats probably just me being retarded
>scorch shot gets deserved hate
>phlog should work with shotguns and also not give invincibility on taunt. the rest can be fixed with a scorch shot nerf
>non powerjack melees need buffs
honestly a pretty fun class

>>715295646
this map is not fun without engineers on red

>>715298069
is this up to your taste

>>715290045
You can hide it by setting your viewmodel FOV to some specific value, IIRC. Actually using the 'hide viewmodels' option hides the model but keeps the flames visible.

>>715299654
>You can hide it
That's cheating.

>>715299702
It only hides it for you, not the enemies. Blame Valve for deciding it isn't enough to fuck with the particles so they do less damage if someone is standing near a wall but also you can't edge sentries anymore and have a bunch of melted cheese in your face every time you shoot.

Do we still think the Wrangler needs to be nerfed?

>>715299429
yes. very much so.

>>715299879
>It only hides it for you
it's still cheating.
It's like remove the black outer line from the sniper rifle scope.
The flames are there disorient the enemy and block your vision too.

>>715269402 (OP)
love pyro because I love the shotgun

>>715299429
>is this up to your taste
Not that anon but absolutely fucking yes. Onmodel pyro is such a cute pred.

>>715300319
>press 1
>press 2
>CHHK-CHHK
>press 1
>press 2
>CHHK-CHHK
>press 1
>press 2
>CHHK-CHHK

>>715300285
>and block your vision too.
But why? Why did they decide that was necessary 15 years after release and after the original flame particles (and view models) had already been uglyfied once to work with weapon skins?

>>715297343
two sets of horns is weird

>>715300607
antlers aren't horns you donut

>>715300343
Hell yes. Oh to be an Engineer with a Pybro like that around, goddamn

>>715295442
>a heavy can protect just as good

>>715276852
based

>>715300839
>ywn be an engineer with an overprotective mumbling latex abomination husband
why live

>>715302871
>why live
I just don't know, buddy. But now this is gonna live rent free in my head forever on top of my existing pyro-adjacent fap scenarios

>>715298849
Why you need other men masturbating for your tiny little dingdaling to feel something?

>>715303076
i can trust anons to hook me up with the goods instead of dealing with shitty tag systems and scrolling through 17 pages of bad Garry's Mod posing half-erect

>>715296134
this guy idea its great >>715297632
rework the thing into being a fire caber, on hit the axe edge explodes and sets on fire anyone on a close range + deal big damage to the poor fuck you hit and yourself.

>>715303205
Anon in the tags write
>sort:score
Thats it anon only the best quality stuff will appear, the crappy stuff will dissapear.

>>715269402 (OP)
you can develop a playstyle that is very fun. he has movement options, that aren't great. and his combat barely benefits from accuracy. it feels like a class with a lot of inherent limitations that are really fun to try to get the most out of. he also has a lot of varieties in playstyle. dragons fury is my favorite weapon in the game, and pyro is still my favorite full stock class. you can run around as a fat scout with afterburn immunity. you can play a more retarded market garden setup. i love getting in spots i shouldn't be and ambushing people using the detonator/jetpack. or yeah you can play harassment but im not a big fan. there aren't many ingame interactions funnier than firing a half circle, lighting an invisible spy, and just watching the spy stand completely still. if i don't taunt, i usually let them go if it feels like bullshit. spy: thank you!, voice lines toward pyro send me into a giggle fit. or if theres a level 3 sentry, finding silly ways to somehow deal with it despite being one of the worst options for that is peak.
while playing other classes, i find it interesting to fight pyros. if im soldier/demo, it feels like a minigame where i have to read their moves. when playing scout, it feels like the ultimate test of my patience and movement abilities. i love the pyro class, hes probably my favorite character in the game, but i don't play him as often as i should

>>715287506
no he's not
he's demo with less power but more mobility and versatility
i could easily go and play heavy and demo and be a boring frontliner but the tactical jumping is what made me have more hours in him than they both combined and multiplied 4 times over

>>715276058
>he's the strongest melee class in the game as long as you aggressively spec into melee by removing one (if not both) of his ranged options

>>715272467
axtinguisher isn't that bad now

>>715277649
it needed a nerf, that shit used to be so good you could dish out more consistent damage than demo. dragons fury is still the best weapon in the game for dealing with buildings, it needs some caveat, and if simply aiming better is the compromise then i think its perfect

>>715296134
>on hit
>new effect, on lava
>afterburn does not extinguish (health packs, healing, nothing)
if you get hit by it, you deserve to run all the way back to spawn

>>715269402 (OP)
he's mostly just bad soldier, but he's fun for the same reasons soldier (and demo) are fun in that he has a lot of different little playstyles based on your loadout and fun movement while being tanky enough you don't instantly explode to a sniper bodyshot or random crit around a corner the way scout/spy does

>>715296134
>50% Slower swing speed
>20% Slower deploy speed
>Inflicts afterburn and knockback on enemies hit
>Inflicts knockback on player if surface is hit
Another minor mobility for Pyro

>>715305119
So like a super version of TFC Medic's AIDS? Also I just realized that the entire Overheal mechanic (and TFC's bonus health from healing) are just directly lifted from Quake 1's Megahealth decay. How slow am I?

>>715292384
I think YOU should lose a couple hundred hammer units instead

>>715302871
>every time you go to get metal and come back he's bigger

>>715306446
...and be perfect size to be Pyro's Pocket Pal? You're a genius.

>>715304367
you need to start it off with a flare to do any meaningful damage and it takes way more effort and risk than just holding down m1 or swapping to shotgun. 15% faster movespeed is absolutely huge for a limited mobility class like pyro and axtinguisher needs to be crazy strong to compete for the slot.

this needs a buff. it's so outclassed by shotgun and scorch shot it's not even funny.

>>715307339
the upside is the erection you get from 90 damage flare punches

>>715307339
Its fine when put up against shotgun and it's scorchshot that needs a nerf.

>>715306128
i imagine a utility where there are dedicated pocket heavies on the enemy team, so you sacrifice yourself to whack the combo and its suddenly less feasible to be invincible. or you camp health packs and hit that soldier flying from pack to pack and farming your team, destroying his meta. i never really played tfc but i have played qwtf, not really slow but most people probably don't think about how much is actually taken from quake. tf2 even still has the acceleration air control bug from quake 1. when you play servers that remove the speed cap and allow bunnyhop its straight up just quake 1 movement

>>715270291
Everyone that isn't a spy.

>>715307339
at the sacrifice of utility, i think its still the strongest combat secondary pyro has
>gives a long ranged ability
>reloads on weapon switch so you aren't punished by spamming it during a fight
>synergizes with airblast
>huge hitbox, very reasonable to hit consistent 90

>>715295646
You are fucking retarded

>>715269402 (OP)
Almost as bad as sniper.
Any time the server is being friendly, pryos always come in and kill everyone.
Pryo mains all have aspergers.

>>715304367
axtinguisher has no practical purpose beside finishing off enemies stylishly. It's not bad and all but Powerjack overshadows it by a lot.

>>715308207
>Any time the server is being friendly, pryos always come in and kill everyone.
are you implying this is a bad thing

>>715269402 (OP)

>>715307598
>Its fine when put up against shotgun
shotgun can do 90x6 unconditional damage at the same range you're going to be getting flare hits consistently, shotgun is pyro's only option against sentries and can make snipers flinch, you don't have to line up a difficult flare punch against pyros, and unlike flare the shotgun is effective against overhealed players. even an overhealed scout can take a crit flare to the face and live. this weapon is a fucking joke.

>>715308207
it was me. Eat shit friendlyfags and go erp in discord where you belong

>>715308384
but it's fun

>>715307339
faster reload is all it needs

>>715308358
>can recognize the webm just from dimensions and thread subject by now
it's over

>>715307339
Detonator is what needs buffed. Make it not cost half your health for one flare jump.

>>715308779
You WILL pay the 45HP tax for a nerfed rocket jump

>>715307339
It's a discount Axtinguisher if you time it right

>>715307339
It's fine. Flares are consistent as long as you can aim them. Shotguns aren't.

>>715308038
>gives a long ranged ability
no one paying attention is ever going to be hit by it.
>reloads on weapon switch so you aren't punished by spamming it during a fight
2s is still way too long when shotgun can shoot six times before reloading.
>huge hitbox, very reasonable to hit consistent 90
shotgun can do near full damage consistently at the same range
>synergizes with airblast
so does shotgun

>>715308779
detonator has the edge over scorch shot in that it can hit players on high ground or behind cover. in skilled hands it's almost as obnoxious as scorch. don't sleep on the det jump either there are many useful jumps you can do with it.

>>715308384
1, shotgun is much harder to use vs airblast -> flare for most players, as well have having better range, 2, why are you as a pyro fighting sentries and flare is infinitely better against snipers, 3, see one but its not that much of a problem if you are choosing your targets.

>>715308207
>comma 2
>see friendlies
>run back to spawn
>comma 3
>phlog+scorch
>spam scorch into the crowd
>get phlog
>people already calling to kick me
>taunt
>votekick started
>dive into the crowd, killing 9 people
>kicked
i can't help myself

>>715294489
i used to love it but then moved to the phlog because i never airblasted anyway. these days i use the regular flamethrower for airblasts because i extinguish my teammates

>>715308958
a discount version of a shit weapon isn't very impressive.

>>715309097
you have to be in flamethrower range to get a flare crit and shotgun is very effective at that range.

The TTK on flamethrowers is so dogshit that I just end up being an airblasting scout on this class. Then I pick soldier and actually do shit

I want to do weight gain or inflation ERP with a Fempyro AI but I don't know how exactly you make "mmph mmph mmph" interesting.

>>715309145
its a fast projectile, you will hit enemies from a further distance than shotgun. enemies will try to keep space from a pyro so that isn't as bad as it sounds on paper. 2 second reloads sounds bad but it reloads while being unequipped which is huge, you can use your primary while you are waiting for your flare to charge. mid firefight you just flip it out, fire dishing huge dps and capping your afterburn to 8 seconds, immediately switch back and continue. you can't do that with shotgun without it being just as 'ineffective' as flare. you are also trying to hit the projectile hitbox, so its a consistent 90 damage where you need to hit every single pellet of a shotgun (a smaller hitbox and capped by falloff). i wouldn't even think of flare as having a reload, it is an ability that charges. shotgun has a reload, where when you run out of shots you are fucked and have to commit to reloading. im not saying shotgun is bad either but flare is amazing as a dps/midrange tool. i wish this reload while unequipped feature was put onto medic syringe

>>715309234
>1, shotgun is much harder to use vs airblast -> flare for most players
what is required to hit a flare
>set them on fire
>airblast at the floor to pop them up
>guess their trajectory based on their momentum
>flick up and shoot
what is required to hit shotgun
>click on them

>why are you as a pyro fighting sentries
because it's a pub and nobody else is gonna fucking do it
>and flare is infinitely better against snipers
a good sniper is never going to get hit by a flare

>>715309145
>don't sleep on the det jump either there are many useful jumps you can do with it.
The flank is almost never worth it when you can just jetpack jump to it instead and not only save your hp but take less fall damage.

>>715309271
>you have to be in flamethrower range to get a flare crit and shotgun is very effective at that range.
Or you could just hit them with a flare from medium to long range and then follow up with another.

>>715309814
It relies a lot on showing instead of telling and dialogue being pretty much ignored, two things that chatbots (local models, at least) are still really bad at and even paid ones will often fuck up.
t. knower

>>715310008
The jetpack's deploy/holster penalties make it dogshit, it's really easy to snipe a pyro out of the air while he can't do anything

>>715310163
Honestly, I've been pretty fine with spicychat. my dilemma is just I wouldn't know what would be a good scenario. I like a little lead in to my fetishes.

>>715310102
>Or you could just hit them with a flare from medium to long range and then follow up with another.
only works on very bad players who walk in straight lines and you are going to eat a shit load of damage at medium range during those 2s you're reloading.

>The flank is almost never worth it when you can just jetpack jump to it instead
detonator lets you get up to 2nd floors, cross large gaps, clear sticky traps, and mix up pyro's limited movement. even if you never flank with it being able to take shortcuts can save a lot of time. it's also good for ubers as a gap closer or as a way to jump over explosives to get in a soldier/demo's face.

>>715310420
>my dilemma is just I wouldn't know what would be a good scenario.
>>715302871

>>715309879
>2 second reloads sounds bad but it reloads while being unequipped which is huge
you will die in those 2s
>you can use your primary while you are waiting for your flare to charge
the whole point of having a burst damage secondary is to make up for the flamethrower's abysmal dps and if they're staying out of flame range you're helpless. shotgun doesn't stop being effective against a good scout who knows his spacing or a good soldier who is walling you out with splash. the less you have to rely on your primary the better.

>>715310420
Wanting a little lead in is based and I get where you're coming from, and actually especially good here. The trick with LLMs is that the initial message (and examples) usually sets the tone and writing style for the whole thing, which is why cards that start with one sentence should be thrown right into the trash.

>>715269402 (OP)
Class is fine. Pyro mains however are often the biggest faggots ever, and not just in the gay way.

>>715274058
Unironically, newfags trying to fit in.

>>715304630
>best weapon in the game to deal with buildings
>it doesnt even belong to the demoman
This thing needs to be nerfed, it makes soldier too good at destroying buildings effortlessly. Last time I checked Soldier wasnt called demoman.

>>715311674
direct miss needs a direct line of sight with a sentry and the pushback from the guns will often fuck up your aiming angle, demo can do it from behind cover

>>715311674
>4 shots
>pyro gets 40 shots in a row that fire faster and each deal 80 damage
dragons fury rapes wrangled sentries even. all you need is a single pixel, it doesn't use the center of mass check it does on players and it gets the successive shot bonus

>>715274017
Game is ruined now. The weapon nerfs were bad but overall most weapons are still pretty good. An update called "Meet your Match" came out in 2016 which completely fucking ruined the main way to play the game by turning it from quickplay (join official servers and play for 40-60 minutes before the map changes) to Casual Mode, where queuing for any map other than the top 5-10 most popular maps takes minutes to get a game, games are filled in chunks (leading to large swathes of a team not even joined even as setup time ticks away), and you end up stomping the enemy team or getting stomped.
>"so just vote scramble"
Nope. In-game map votes and vote scrambles are gone now and every game ends in 2-3 rounds, followed by the entire server emptying out since queuing for the most popular maps is faster (and people want to keep playing the map they were on). You now also only get three maps to choose at the end (with the map vote being broken a quarter of the time) and if you wanted to continue playing the map you were on or stick with the people in your server, you're screwed. Don't forget also: Meet your Match also directly facilitated the bot crisis with bots showing up only a week or so after it dropped.

Meet your Match has ruined TF2. Even in the uncommon situation where you find a good game with balanced teams, you only get it for 3 rounds, before you're back to matchmaking hell and shitstomps. Any time I think about playing now, I'm just reminded of how awful the matchmaking is and change my mind.

all a man really wants is 400 pounds of pyro ass on his face

>>715311674
Demoman can do the same without even having line of sight. Plus, it will take out any other buildings around the sentry as well as players near it. Nobody beats demoman in terms of sheer building destruction.

>>715311769
this is never an issue for soldier even when the sentry is up close and around the corner, dont defend it its bullshit especially since its so low effort

>>715311812
One useful usecase does not outweigh the negatives the weapon has which is its low kill potential and airblast, even you cant defend it not outright killing scouts on the second shot.

spy bros...

>>715312754
it does kill scouts on successive shots what do you mean? first shot does 40, second shot does 83, and they are put on afterburn so they immediately die. skill issue

>>715311674
>>best weapon in the game to deal with buildings
>>it doesnt even belong to the demoman
LNL is better and absolutely rapes engie

>>715312857
No they do not immediately die they stay alive for about 2 seconds after then die of afterburn in which in those two seconds they manage to kill me and then keel over from the after burn with no medic, it happens more then you think.

>>715313025
The arcing projectile means that Loch is most effective at the range where a sentry would start shooting at you. Meanwhile two Direct Hit rockets is all it takes to snipe a level 3 sentry from across the map.

>>715310164
You shouldn't use it out in the open if you're getting sniped.

>>715313230
>The arcing projectile means that Loch is most effective at the range where a sentry would start shooting at you
have you ever used the LNL
you can hit players a mile away with it much less a stationary sentry

>ITT Soldier and Sniper mains want Pyro to be nerfed even further
Snipers secondary alone reduces Pyro to shotgun and axe.

>>715313230
who the fuck builds a sentry out in the open instead of at chokepoints? If you're playing retards then it doesn't matter what weapon you use

Pyro's got that gorilla-grip retard strength pussy

>>715314183
pyro's probably got holes more blown out than a bass drum from stuffing grenades, fire axe handles, and balloonicorn plushes up there

/v/
>If you play Pyro you should fucking kill yourself
Also /v/
>Man I really want to fuck a Pyro

>>715314250
Pyro has a buttplug in pretty much every single mission but beyond that the holes are still tight and accommodating

>>715314359
those two aren't mutually exclusive
the difference is i hate YOU, not pyro

>>715314359
All I'm saying is if you've got a lady with a nice ass in a tight rubber suit, I'm not gonna say no.

I'm sure the homos would say the same thing about male pyro too.

>>715314359
Yes.

>>715314359
one is pyro mains and the other is the rest of the tf2 playerbase

>>715312814
Mmph

reflected projectiles should become regular crits instead of mini-crits

>>715314359
One plays the game while the other consumes porn. Those aren't mutually exclusive, anon

Give me a single good reason why the flamethrower shouldn't be TF2's lightning gun

reflected projectiles should go straight up pyro's asshole

>>715315789
>reflect a rocket up pyro's ass
>hear a muffled belch through his mask

>>715272467
>Soldier gives up his shotgun, a very useful tool for multiple scenarios such as against skilled Pyros or for when you can’t wait to reload a full clip, in order to equip the Buff Banner and then needs to deal 600 damage in 1 life (480 if you know about the banner glitches) to give mini crits to his team for a few seconds
>Sniper only needs to give up the SMG in order to equip Jarate, which is buff banner but better is 99% of situations

>>715315872
>a very useful tool for multiple scenarios such as against skilled Pyros or for when you can’t wait to reload a full clip
how is this not the smg?

>>715315862
>muffled belch
yup, that's boner material

>>715315862
>his

>>715316000
1. Sniper doesn’t need to reload his primary. It’s one large clip
2. Pyro counters Soldier with airblast. Soldier can struggle fighting Pyros who are good with airblast. Meanwhile Sniper instead counters Pyro since he greatly outranges him. The SMG is only really useful for Huntsman and against Spy (and guess what Jarate does!)
3. The shotgun is just better than the SMG in general which means you’re giving up more when you use other secondaries

>>715315872
>Soldier gives up his shotgun, a very useful tool for multiple scenarios such as against skilled Pyros
soldier has so many ways to deal with pyros losing shotgun is not a big deal compared to giving your entire team a huge buff
that being said I still think jarate is bullshit but all three banners are obscenely strong if your teammates aren't braindead

>>715316209
okay, her

>>715316209
Yes, his.

>>715316209
his

>>715317791
Noncanon
Pyro is a mumbling latex abomination with no human form underneath

>>715317883

>>715270842
you seem rather cynical of pyro

>>715269402 (OP)
I may have an preference

>>715318718
>halloween cosmetic
noncanon

>>715316837
>soldier has so many ways to deal with pyros who are bad at airblasting*
ftfy
If an enemy pyro is competent enough with airblast, soldiers can’t do much to pyro without the shotgun. The scenario otherwise requires soldiers to flank the pyro or hope they mess up in some way.

>>715296134
easy, give it a fucking niche that isn't entirely divorced from the idea of lighting someone on fire
>on hit, engulf victim in flames
>while held: all fire damage is dealt as minicrit
>all kills while held grant 75 health that can overheal
basically bring back the old powerjack, but in a way that encourages hit and run damage support via minicrits.
while held also applies to all damage sources, so it'd help off reflect kills and environmental ones too.

>>715313187
>30 damage default
>90 damage if they are on fire
>120 damage
>afterburn does 8 dps
nah, you suck. i gave you the benefit of the doubt and then researched it. you just have to play better

>>715321862

>>715296461

>>715323914
No Degreaser?

>>715321862
I mean Monoculus is canon so...

>>715324802
Don't need it because of the universal switch speed buff.

>>715323702
alright idiot go fight a half decent scout I and not some random faggot in regular que guarantee your ass will drop before they do.

>>715318718
he put the skeleton on to be a good sport

>>715270842
Based. Shame there isn't more macro stuff. Well, "tasteful" macro stuff.

>>715317883
he explodes into a gory mess and the game points out human organs

>>715296134
Meme idea:
>Enemies you light on fire with this can light their team mates on fire if they run through them
For extra memes you could make the effect stack. So you light enemy 1 on fire, who runs into enemy 2, who runs into enemy 3 and 4 and 5, who runs into- you get the idea.

>>715327857
headcanon

>>715327884
that is literally what happens in the video game Team Fortress 2

>Stock Flamethrower
>Scorch Shot
>Homewrecker

Yep, it's (fem)pyro time!

For me? It's FemPonko.

>>715327857
>the game points out human organs
You know what... come to think of it, I haven't seen this happen in years. Did this feature get borked and Valve never fixed it, or do I just not die enough in this game?

>>715292850
Heh

>>715327967
>texasfuckers

>muh balance
You are talking like compfags niggers

>>715328387
>*yeeeeeeee in the distance*

>>715328857
pyro can balance on my dick

why do you guys pretend to still play this game? is it some sort of inside joke?

>>715328067
its the latter, i had it happen the other day
it also depends on where the freeze frame ends up relative to your corpse

>fucks grossly overtuned soldierfaggots taking advantage of 2007 era balance theory by using a mechanic that requires 3x more skill than le rocket jumping (you're not cool, you're 41 years old and you let quake die)
>a gentleman's 175 health
>telegraphed and easily stoppable. honest engagements
>implying w+m1 is more degenrate than headclicking
>cool secondaries
>cool melee, many of them underpowered for additional challenge
>valuable partner to the noble engineer

>>715322178
>If an enemy pyro is competent enough with airblast
it doesnt matter how good the pyro is. there are angles where he can't reflect back but he takes damage if he tries to approach, if he takes out shotgun you get a free rocket in, you can fire around cover, on high ground, or while high bombing so even if he does reflect he won't hit you, you can flick to make it harder for him to get the right airblast angle, and if you have enough health you can close the gap and he can no longer reflect on reaction. most importantly having gunboats you almost always have the positioning and timing advantage over him so you can catch him while he's distracted or retreating and run away if you fuck up. pyro is only a threat to soldier when he's guarding a heavy/engie who can pressure you or your team is getting rolled and you're constantly fighting at disadvantage. there is a reason he's considered the second worst class after spy.

>>715269402 (OP)
Fun but wish he wasn't associated with furries.

>>715293974
not bad. i prefer anime mix

>>715313946
me to bait out demos

>>715269402 (OP)
Worst designed in the game for one specific reason: fire obstructs view. It's dumb. Also hard to tell which team the flames are from, should have been color-coded. Also yes the scorch shot is annoying, I didn't mind it when it came out but I think it should be split into 2 weapons like the equalizer was now.

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>>715296461

>>715332208
never used it, i've been trying different realism based models and goddamn it's confusing and SDXL is great but also sucks?

>>715296461

Pyro owes me gay sex
How the hell do you guys find all the good pyro stuff?

>>715332583
You can team color the flames with mods. There used to be one that made RED have orange flames and BLU have yellow flames. (Same kind of palette difference that Engineer has on his helmet and gloves.) Shame that sv_pure prevents it from being actually used on any real servers anymore.

>>715326241
wow how many scout players is that? 300? its okay if you get outplayed every now and then.

>>715276852
Finally someone fucking said it.
I don't fucking get it why Pyro gets so fucking little of this type of art, I thought dronefags would flock to him but I guess not.

>>715337901
>standard flamethrower
>it isn't standard and it isn't throwing flames
I hope someone got fired for that blunder!

>>715296461
Everything is professional and the degreaser is Hale's Own
I'm a fag btw dunno if that matters

>>715336723
>Hmm this is a good Pyro pic
>See tits
>Screams internally
I'm joking, I don't care whether it's a guy or a girl down there, the suit and mask are the appeal, but a crotch bulge would be nice.

>>715296461
Why yes, it is a poverty unusual from the crate depression.

>>715338165
FATAL SMOTHERING

>>715338083
heh. a tuxedo cat. i get it

There is a non zero percent chance that anon who plays fem-futa pyro with latex kinks on F-list is lurking in this thread.

>>715338502
I don't have an F-List, the people there are way too high up their own ass and take forever to get to the sexy.

Takes more skill than soldier and demo, but not scout.

>>715338560
Then you obviously who I'm not talking about anon because this guy did. As far as retarded niches go this is somewhat common within itself.

>>715297683
I put that warpaint on when my sense of fashion still wasn't fully formed and I was using whatever I got on whatever weapon I currently had in mind.
I still regret putting my Dragon Slayer paint on the Sniper Rifle

>>715338378
He gets it

>>715296461
Pretty proud of my selection.

Where would one go to get sucked off by a fem pyro?

>>715339558
tits too small

>>715270006

>be annoying 1337 pr0 sniper nigger headshotting the entire enemy team over and over
>only way to flush the faggot out is through indirect attacks
>spam scorch shots and hear him run away screaming FUYAH
>team can push and cap point
>Faggot sniper equips Darwin's danger shield
>spam pills up his ass instead

There's no point calling it overpowered when it's one of the rare long range weapons that can effectively counteract a class that becomes the strongest in the game, solely depending on player skill.
Soldier is good for all skill levels, but counterable at all ranges, unlike sniper.

>>715339714
ctf_2fort

>>715339558
>tasteful corvalho fempyro model
very based

>>715291508
how does it work? I'm interested

>>715340615
Instructions weren't clear. I got raped by some faggot using the neon sign hunting the water under the bridge. My cock still hasn't been sucked but it did get cooked thoroughly.

behead all coomers

>>715306935
perfect size to get dropped into his sweltering steamy smelly boot*

>>715273648
It's barely even a hard counter for spy since they nerfed afterburn and gave the spy a dozen different ways to prevent it. You can be actively burning a cloaked spy and hearing he hit detection sound and he can still somehow instantly extinguish and vanish in front of your eyes.

>>715291068
>it's not a skill issue, it's about teamwork
>so let's give him a buff that removes his reliance on team work
>still requires team work to be defeated
What sort of nigger logic is this? May as well give medic a backstab shield as well or heavy a self-ubering edible.

>Phlog
>Scorch
>Neon Annihilator
Oh yeah, it's go time.

Only acceptable Pyro furfag cosmetic is the Pyromancer's Mask

>>715296461
Rate em

>>715269402 (OP)
A fine class, I only occasionally find him frustrating to play against as I do other classes. However I find pyro unbelievably boring and I'd rather play literally any other class in 99% of situations. He is just not for me, I dislike the playstyle.

>>715269402 (OP)
Whenever TF2 threads come up, I'm reminded why this game is dying. Discussion is impossible.

>>715346913
>he says, 397 posts in

>>715269402 (OP)
One of the most unique classes in viseogames. I fucking love it and play it most of the time since i started playing TF2 in 2008.

>>715296461

>>715342491
Not if you keep his ass in the corner.

>>715269402 (OP)
never got good at soldier or demoman so I play pyro to fuck with them, snipers and spies. i also like to help engies

>>715308207
>Any time the server is being friendly, pryos always come in and kill everyone.
Based pyros.

>>715308278
I used axtinguisher while openly acknowledging the powerjack is better. I value pyro's great combat variety and I like what axtinguisher brings to that. Thing is, if you really cared about the most optimal builds, you would probably play a class other than pyro anyway.

>>715304367
It's pretty bad if the fucking hot hand is a better hit and run weapon than the axtinguisher was changed to be.

>>715342874
Medic and heavy are not forced to tunnel vision just to function so they are invulnerable to spies by default assuming piloted by non braindead players. And pyro is just a joke.
But it's a good thing. Braindead piss easy counters to very high skill character like sniper would be toxic. Good thing spy and pyro are so fundamentally garbage there is no salvaging them so nobody cares about their well being. Useless noob stomper classes lmao.
If you want to kill sniper go sniper.
>"WHAT THE FUCK? I NEED TO OUTPLAY? NO CHEESE ROCK PAPER SCISSORS LOW EFFORT WAY TO WIN?"
That's right nigger. Git gud.

>>715269402 (OP)
Unironically took more skill than Soldier

>>715313230
It's not that hard to snipe with the lock n load. One of the big advantages over direct hit is you still have a weapon that can do easy damage with the sticky launcher for when you need to get in the position to snipe in the first place. Switching to direct hit to take out a long range sentry and you're basically hoping you can hit players with the thing in case you bump in any opponents on the way there.


>>715313946
Out in the open sentries definitely shut down a number of classes who rely on being able to get close to the sentry to take them out.

Skill of Demoman
>Understand the weight, trajectory, and inertia of a projectile in a 3D space against a moving target. Intelligence required: rocket scientist

Skill of Sniper
>Click moving people's heads, and the game will instantly create a hitscan register. Intelligence required: flash game player

>>715350152
>Medic is countered by Spy
>Anyone actually countered by spy
Yeah maybe if you are a retard.

>>715347028
I don't see any actual discussion going on, all I see is spam. Saged.

>>715351064
>announcing a sage

I stopped playing TF2 because I felt like balance was always a cope and that you would have to change more than weapon values to improve it

>>715351246
Balance has always been a cope. This game was specifically made to be chaotic, not balanced.

>>715296461
still accepting submissions?