Thread 715308551

>Press 1 button to exploit weakness
>Press 1 button to exploit weakness
>Press 1 button to exploit weakness
>...
>You've won the battle!
This braindead genre really needs to die for good. Literally a glorified cookie-clicker.
>B-but muh strategy and p-planning
Go play RTS or isometric tactical turn-based games. Those games also have strategic and tactical layers deeper than put points into INT for Mage and spam Firaga on Snowman.

>>715308551 (OP)
This bait is really weak, admit that you just want to discuss dungeon crawlers anon. Here I'll start
Next Stage never ever.

>>715308685
Next Stage confirmed for 2 more weeks.

>>715308551 (OP)
I love turn-based games like X-Com and Jagged Alliance, but I'll never get the appeal of this type of turn-based combat.

>>715308551 (OP)
This is just bait for the etrian webm to be posted

>>715308551 (OP)
these are all just blobbers though arent they?

>>715308551 (OP)
Two of these things are not like the others, two of these things don't belong

>>715312524
First two aren't but the rest are

>there will never be another etrian odyssey 3DS game
fuck this gay earth

>>715312524
why am i seeing this term everywhere now? it seems very broad, isnt every jrpg a blobber? dungeon crawler seems like the best way to describe these grid games (if people stopped misusing it)

>>715314751
blobber is an old old term used to describe playing a party that gameplay wise just takes up one space on a grid. thats all it is. dungeon crawlers are something else because you can have single person party dungeon crawlers like kings field for example.

>>715314980
>>715314896
>>715314818
All 3 games look like the gameplay fire tho.

>>715308685
Should Next Stage try and shake up the tried and true EO formula in any way, or should it just be as traditional as possible? I'd sort of like to see the branching narrative stuff from EO3 taken to a greater extreme, but otherwise I'd want it traditional.

>>715308551 (OP)
Don't lump in garbage tranimeslop blobbers with Western dungeon crawlers.

>>715314751
Drpg (dungeon crawler rpg) is the correct term, Blobbers is a forced named from one community. Dungeon crawlers is the technically correct term for both, but that is arguably too broad since it includes real time stuff like Grimrock with turn based stuff. Also the original term has been bastardized by people labelling literally everything as a dungeon crawler.

>>715314818
>>715314896
>>715314980
that's rough buddy
how about you try some fire real time action combat !

>>715316836
>comparing the """""epitome""""" of blobber to a movieslop
Blobberfags know they can't win if they use a real action game for comparison

>>715308551 (OP)
I'll only start to give a fuck about DRPG when:
>Every class has interaction with the map e.g. rogue can detect and disarm traps or pick locks, warrior can destroy breakable obstacles, priest can purify cursed obstacles, etc.
>Fatigue and hunger system, with camping, foraging, and cooking mechanics.
>Can customise party members' grunts, personality and battle shout-outs. Party members will banter with each other.
>Can target enemies' body parts during combat.
So far, all the existing DRPGs are just glorified corridor walkers with tacked-on menu simulator combat.

>>715318656
but wizardry is right there

>>715308551 (OP)
>Jap games suck
Wow, how surprising!

>>715318656
Everything but the cooking and character customisation is in Mary Skelter already. Only instead of fatigue and hunger they have a blood skelter bar that fills up and gets corrupted over time.

>>715318656
There's no innovation in the genre, every dev is just content reusing the template from Wizardry. Dungeon Traveler? Wizardry with waifu and loli. SMT? Wizardry with monster collecting and surface level references to Abrahamic religions. EO? Wizardry with loli and corridor painting simulator.

>>715319603
Explain how they're all just wizardry clones.

>>715319603
>There's no innovation in the genre
>lists a bunch of innovations

>>715315469
>the original term has been bastardized by people labelling literally everything as a dungeon crawler.
this shit pisses me off. "hurrr this game has a dungeon it must be... a dungeon crawler!!!! *drools retardedly* durrr"

>>715308551 (OP)
>>715319603
reminder that this game is fucking sick & hidden gem. it's gacha but you can literally ignore the gacha part after initial pull of generics for your party and play it like a normal janksovl wizardry. it's hard as balls and really expects an old-school gamer mindset in more ways than one. and the story WILL surprise you

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2379740/Wizardry_Variants_Daphne/

>>715320330
what is a dungeon crawler, if not crawling through dungeons?

>>715320713
It's the same as the term jrpg. If you use the literal definition of the individual words it covers such a broad stroke that it doesn't mean anything, but people don't mean every single conceivable instance of a role playing game from Japan when they say it. They're talking about a specific type of game.

>>715320683
Nope, gacha is dogshit no exceptions.

>>715320683
Does it still constantly crash and brick your profile data?

>>715319603
Monster collecting and having to get new party members to join your party instead of just creating them all at the beginning of the game is a huge innovation on the Wizardry formula.

>>715321223
ok, NPC
>>715321430
way less

>>715321738
Gacha faggot degenerate calling anyone an NPC is the pinnacle of irony.

>>715321794
NPC behavior is brainlessly attacking things one doesn't understand. So shitting on a good game without playing it due to extraneous elements is NPC.

>>715322065
I understand gacha in it's entirety you dumb retard.

>>715322105
NPCs also pretend to understand things they don't.

>>715322132
Probably, not the case here though.

>>715321539
How the fuck can you call that innovation? You can recruit a literal pebble from the roadside and the combat is still the same mindless "spam blue attack on red enemies". I don't give a fuck about fucking gimmicks.

>>715322231
1. If the game suddenly became real-time or whatever it'd be called a different genre, dumbfuck.
2. It changes the part that isn't the combat, for starters, since it involves recruiting, fusing and doing other things to get a party composition that you want.

>>715322065
>Sometimes you need to use Potion to heal! That's innovation!
Nigger cattle genre for nigger cattle audience.

>>715315248
Just give us Untold difficulty with post III class complexity, 2U tier story optional.

>>715322231
>the combat is still the same mindless "spam blue attack on red enemies".
This isn't true though?

>>715322778
You haven't even played the game being discussed.

715322772
1. You're a fucking dumbfuck retard. You think turn-based can only be DVD menu simulator? So isometric tactical or strategy turn-based doesn't exist? So those games don't have dungeon exploration? So the combat strategy can only be weakness exploit spam?
2. No different from hiring a new party member. Besides, most people will just google the fusion table and work towards the end game demons, or fuse whatever highest-tier demons available at the moment that suit their needs.

>>715308551 (OP)
What game is second from the bottom?

>>715315407
Also what game is this?

SMT SJ was one of the best. EO was ok but too abuseable.

>>715308551 (OP)
SMT V and P5 aren't dungeon crawlers. Simply having dungeons doesn't make them one. Granted, there ARE SMT games that are dungeon crawlers, but not those.

>>715319603
Because it's a dead-end genre.
There's no real way to innovate the traditional turn-based JRPG formula without shifting genres entirely. It's half the reason why franchises like FF and DQ have shifted to real-time combat.

This is simply what happens when you release games in the same genre for five consecutive decades. The best you can do now is either try to refine the tired gameplay to its extreme, or ignore it completely and focus on something else like story or graphics.

Feel free to prove me wrong by coming up with a new innovation that doesn't completely change the spirit of the genre.

>>715325361
Isn't the reason FF switched off turn based because they thought "nobody would buy it" only to get BTFO'd by multiple turn based games selling well?

You could always add sex to dungeon crawling.

>>715325498
That's part of it, but none of the turn-based games released recently have innovated either. Expedition 33, Yakuza, etc -zero innovation.

>>715320683
>only 7 classes
>only 3 story dungeons
>level scaled enemies
>barely any bosses
>grind out the ass
>buggy as shit
>daily chores
>fomo events
Get your dogshit back to >>>/vmg/ gachanigger

>>715325582
I'm unironically trying to make an h-game but the actual mechanics are stumping me.

I like drpgs. I like SMT. I like EO. I like the Labyrinth games. I like Wizardry Daphne. I want to play more but I also like story like how the Labyrinth games had story.

>>715312524
>blobber
Here's that term again. It didn't exist until a few years ago.

>>715325603
Japs bitched and moaned because they got filtered by the parry mechanics in E33 though. They just want to mash A button and win the game like in Dragon Quest.

>>715328476
Anon, those exact mechanics are three decades old at this point.

>>715318284
Whats the difference between this and a rhythm game?

>>715328594
When you reduce it like that, all videogames are just
>press button at right time

>>715327860
It's older than you, that's for sure.

>>715314751
Because Dungeon Crawler now means "You enter a dungeon at some point, probably" acroding to normalfags so Dungeon Crawlers need a name so that you can find games that are Dungeon Crawlers.

>>715328594
Rhythm games are harder.

>>715328553
>implying there is an overlap between actionfags and blobberfags

>>715332368
Did you genuinely forget that Mario RPG's 30th anniversary is next year?

>>715332508
Don't care, I don't play Marioslops or jarpigs.