The great debate

>>715333279 (OP)
>Games on the left are mostly fun as fuck
>Games on the right are mostly tremendous dogshit
At this point I avoid indie games with high effort art styles because it shows their priorities are fucked.
Gameplay is king.

>>715333510
Fun but soulless games are for normgroid children

>>715333279 (OP)
Why is Shovel Knight not on the left? The level design is absolutely bare bones, especially graphically.

>>715333279 (OP)
I haven't played any of those.

>>715335009
>unfun but “””soulful””” games are better
bait or retardation

>>715333279 (OP)
>"no meme appeal"
you image-macro making fucking retard you haven't played Yellow Taxi Goes Vroom in the slightest there's a literal and I mean literal unironic gray-skin-tone-and-all model of fucking Gigachad in the game.
get out of my sight. you make me sick.

>>715333279 (OP)
There's good games on both sides.

>>715335640
Containing literal memes != the visuals themselves having meme appeal

>>715335568
>unfun but “””soulful””” games are better
Correct

It goes fun&soulful > soulful >> fun, exclusively fun games are almost exclusively slop

>>715335885
...How do Hollow Knight and Rainworld visuals have meme appeal?

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>>715333510
>>Games on the left are mostly fun as fuck
acquire taste, tranime poster

>>715333279 (OP)
>hollow knight
>rainworld
>low effort
come back to me when you can animate like that. Otherwise I'll agree with the others being low effort

Also on the right the top left and bottom right are extremely low effort styles. t. low poly modeller

>>715336186
>>715336186
>come back to me when you can animate like that.
Those are extremely simple to animate t. animator

>>715336301
show me your demo real then

>>715333279 (OP)
The only good game on the left is HollowKnight

>>715336343
>he says without posting his low poly folio

>>715336740
>he says this without substantiating the claim
>he doesn't know I started with traditional animation
Concession locked in, faggot.

>>715335981
you could have just said
>i don't care about playing video games, I just want to show people that I do so with pretty graphics

>Shovel Knight in higher effort
>Rain World and Hyper Light Drifter in lower effort

>>715337136
Fun is easy to come across in every aspect of life, soulful games are completely unique to the medium

The difference between games that are only fun and games that are soulful is the same as the difference between funny YouTube videos and cinema

>>715333279 (OP)
>Mouthwashing
>high effort artstyle
Oi im laffin

>>715337518
i play games to have fun
if it isn't fun then it's a bad game
if a game is not fun and happens to have good art it is bad
i also don't know why you're putting these as unique qualifiers, a game is capable of being fun and having good art
also, saying minecraft looks bad simply because its art is simple proves you as a midwit at best

>>715337890
Yes I already called you a normgroid child for having normgroid opinions
>also, saying minecraft looks bad simply because its art is simple proves you as a midwit at best
Minecraft looks bad because it was made with ugly temp programmer assets that were locked in as the final look when it became too big and popular

>>715337592
The amount of work included in modeling, texturing, animating etc 3D models far exceeds almost all 2D indie games

>>715337995
games are meant to be fun
don't know why it's hard for you to understand, but gameplay is the main factor accounting for whether or not a game is good
if you're willing to overlook mediocre gameplay in favor of good art that's fine, I'm just the opposite; willing to overlook artistic flaws in favor of better gameplay
I think Hades has an okay art style and a mediocre story with faggy characters but its gameplay is very fun so I enjoy it
Borderlands 3's style is worse than 2's which is worse than 1's and its writing is absolutely atrocious; but it has the most fun gameplay in the series so I'd still put it on par with 2 in terms of overall quality
cognitive rigidity (getting uncomfortable when others don't share your opinion) is a sign of autism
speaking of good art and good gameplay I'm gonna go back to playing morrowind

>>715338250
You are a normgroid child, I don't know why it's hard for you to understand

>>715333279 (OP)
what on the left is "fast"

>>715338286
why start a thread simply to insult anybody who dares to disagree with you
re-read (assuming you actually read it in the first place lol) the second to last line of my post
i'm presenting my honest opinion and you're not coming back with anything, just throwing a tantrum

>>715338352
There's nothing that requires a retort, you asserted that the main purpose of games is to be fun, I said that's a retarded assertion equal to saying movies are supposed to be fun

It's funny how a highly skilled and developed art style can turn people away if it's not their thing, but generic simple low effort art styles have universal appeal

Like it's in your interest to NOT develop a unique artistic voice because it can only turn people away

>>715333279 (OP)
This is some good bait. Isaac, Hollow Knight and Yellow Taxi have good art. Minecraft, Sword and Sorcery, Shovel Knight and Undertale have bad art. Owl Boy imploded and never sold afaik

>>715338716
>Isaac, Hollow Knight have good art
They don't, you're just an artlet

>>715338505
There's a good old saying that sometimes less is more. Simple but impactful style usually looks better than something overly elaborate and bristling with details. The secret is in where to place the impact, this is what separates good style from bad one.

>>715338407
So you're not interested in explaining your position in any way
Here, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and start:
gameplay is the most important of a game because it keeps you engaged
Story is important for similar reasons, but if the gameplay is a slog then you'll probably just feel irritated at having to go through a shitty process to get to the part you want.
Artstyle has the same problem: if the gameplay is bad then you're less willing to push forward through it to see more of the game
It comes down to the degrees at which you're willing to tolerate bad parts of a game, because no game is perfect
I'm willing to tolerate bad/generic music completely, I can just turn it off and/or play something else I think is fitting. It helps a lot when a game has good, fitting music but it's not a dealbreaker for me.
I'm willing to tolerate a bad story as long as it doesn't get in the way. If I'm getting stopped every few minutes to listen to terrible story or if all the dialogue is horrible it can seriously hinder my enjoyment of the game. The Outer Worlds comes to mind. For Borderlands 3 I just delete all the voice files.
A game being ugly does bother me but less so than it being generic and boring. I find high-fidelity games boring because they're just mimicking real life. I don't gauge an artstyle purely by effort input though, as long as the end-result is appealing then that's fine. I think Daggerfall looks better than Skyrim, for example.
I can't tolerate bad gameplay. Mediocre gameplay is one thing but I'll get bored and maybe stop playing unless there's some other aspect that's really knocking it out of the park. But if gameplay is downright bad then I'm just quitting. To stick to TES: I think Arena sucks. It has a great style and I like the world its set in but it's just a worse version of Daggerfall in terms of gameplay.

>>715338867
Nah I think that's just millennial and zoomer cope, since they realized they'll never be able to compete with the greats so they had to resort to calling low effort trash soulful and good actually, and that they exist in a fully globalized world where every single piece of media needs to appeal to literally everyone and to offend literally no one in order to have a chance at success

If you have a soul these things are obvious

Terrible bait.

>>715333279 (OP)
>Rainworld
>Hollow Knight
>Low effort art styles
>Low poly garbage in "High effort"
Excellent troll post

>>715340224
Um actually my low poly sloplike is an allegory for depression and trans oppression and if you hate it you're actually a terrible person. Do better.

>>715333279 (OP)
Shovel Knight and the taxi game are better than BlunderFail and Mineycrafta.

>>715340224
Rainworld looks good but the guys who made it were programmers and they somehow just cobbled together the aesthetic

>>715340224
>>715340279
They're objectively low effort, I don't know why it's so important to you to pretend they're not

>>715333279 (OP)
All cartoon games are low effort style. Lower polygons/pixels, easier to make. Realism has to be right otherwise it looks uncanny. That's why well made realism is high tier. In cartoon shit none of this even matters. Oh the head and feet are a little too big? Doesn't even matter. The game is good to ship.

>>715338974
background aside, which is just a separate painting behind cels vs digital shapes and no one remembers either, tom's already simplified

>>715333279 (OP)
What are the top 2 games on the right?

>>715336128
>white creature mascot with dot eyes
KINO

>>715341867
We're talking about indie games, are you going to say Cuphead is lower effort compared to Talos Principle? Where one had to draw every single asset custom by hand and the other could buy photoscanned assets from a store and plot them into a game engine with all the lighting and physics already taken care of?

>>715342698
Yellow Taxi Goes Vroom, its basically a 3d platformer but you're a car

Ruffy and the Riverside is the other one

>>715336128
Foobar core

>>715333279 (OP)
there's a place for everything in this world
even for you, OP

i saw ruffy came out recently. tried the demo during nextfest and it was just ok, how is the full game? anyone know?

is this ragebait? I recognized every game on the right I played, instantly.
you are a faggot.

>mfw some massive retard saw a screenshot of owlboy and tricked himself into thinking it's the best shit ever because he's a grafixfag
>mfw I have no face

What kind of point are you trying to make? The games you picked for both are so random. What the fuck is the "meme appeal" of Hyper Light Drifter? How is Yellow Taxi "slow and difficult"? What the hell is "difficult" about an actual walking sim? Kill yourself OP.

>>715345918
The games on the right are recognizable if you've already played them, the games on the left are recognizable if you've only seen them or heard about them once or twice

>>715345953
It's talking about the aesthetics you absolute retard

>>715346146
???
I never played Mouthwashing and I recognize it. And most people will recognize shovel knight or owlboy.

>>715333510
Discount undertroonle and this post is right

>>715346259
>I never played Mouthwashing and I recognize it.
Because you were in the right online spaces when it was FOTM, it's a lot less recognizable without that context
>And most people will recognize shovel knight or owlboy.
Not really, I've seen a ton of people respond "what game" to Owlboy screenshots

>>715333279 (OP)
Among Us was good, but has become live service microtransaction slop a year after it got popularized by streamers. So it's ultimately reduced to being shit.
Minecraft is kinda mid, but has gotten slightly better over the years (ignoring a few changes). It's just a sandbox autism simulator. For actual gameplay, I'd rather play Terraria or Core Keeper.
Inscryption is pretty good in the first half of the game, but gets exponentially more boring later on. It overstays it's welcome. And it's also an ARG game, which to me will always suck as it defeats the whole point of a video game.

The rest of the games I haven't played nor do I know what most of them are. But from the ones I know of and the ones I've played, it seems like these are just popular or somewhat popular indie games which are either mid, or were good at some point and then fell into endless enshittification and ultimately were reduced to mid games.

Thanks for subscribing to my reviews.

>>715341867
No one makes realistic shit by hand anymore, those days are long gone

>>715336301
Bro rainworld has fucking procedural animations. That is the opposite of easy to animate.

>>715351671
Yeah also procedural world generation like Minecraft is easier than hand-made world crafting like RDR2, it all makes sense now..

>>715346237
So explain what the meme appeal of Hyper Light Drifter is. If it fits on the left then surely you must have an explanation as to why the art has meme appeal.

>>715352023
It's abusing the vaporwave color scheme and blocky pixelshit, you can just slap the colors onto anything and make it pixelated and it'll read like HLD

>>715335568
correct.
if i wanted just the fun part i could have that just by talking with my friends

>>715341867
there is no well-made realism
>but what about
no

>>715336128
>Wuppo
based

>>715352748
But what about GoldenEye

>>715333279 (OP)
Why not both? You can be pretty and efficient, unique and easy to draw.

>>715352625
>if you use the same color palette and technique things will look similar
Wow

>>715333279 (OP)
what makes left less gratifying to work on?

>>715336128
uh oh

>>715357618
Noita's ugly as shit though

>>715333279 (OP)
Am I retarded if I like both?
I fucking love video games.

>>715360514
It doesn't challenge you creatively, you just kinda churn it out without having to strive to make it the best you can and outdo yourself every time, it's how games that are too easy aren't very fun

>>715340279
>Do better.
Hyper Light Drifter is about the fucking creator and his experience dealing with cancer. Get on my level.

>>715361146
Bad taste. Noita is pure sex.

>>715333279 (OP)
bad eggsamples

>>715361751
Dogshit values pixelshit

>>715361831
>pixelart = bad
Oh, sweet AAA child.

>>715361751
That's just terraria

>>715361924
Pixel art = good, pixelshit = bad

>>715361936
Noita is just Terraria is like saying Teardown is just Minecraft.

>>715362068
Not a game

>>715362146
>Not a game
It's being developed right now but here's one that's already out

>>715362302
>but here's one that's already out
Looks flat and plain in comparison to Noita.

>>715362474
Wrong lol

>>715362536
Fix your eyes.
Also, let's see the lighting system in your peak pixel art game.

>>715352625
That is the dumbest shit I've read today, and I'm on 4chan.

>>715333279 (OP)
whats the game on the right with the bear and guy in a hut?

>>715333279 (OP)
Both are fine if done well and you need to stop making these dogshit threads.

>>715361146

>>715362846
A lighting system in a pixel art game is a bad thing retardo

>>715363586
That's a cope

>>715363783
It's a fact, good pixel art has handmade light

>>715363851
Fully rendered, handmade lighting comes from technical limitations that are no longer relevant nowadays, and are fundamentally limited.

>>715333279 (OP)
Holy fucking shit, someone mentioned Sword & Sworcery.
That's one of the most bizarre games I've played in years, although not very good...

>>715364147

>>715364147
>>715364370
Nah it comes from the fact handmade light > dynamic light every single time

>>715336343

>>715364460
That's just your nostalgia speaking.
Of course you could craft handmade lighting that will beat any dynamic simply because you theoretically control every single pixel of it, but that lighting is going to be heavily limited in what you can accomplish with it. Sure, a photoshopped still image can look better than a recoded movie, but the image doesn't move and that's a problem if you are dealing with a dynamic medium.

>>715333279 (OP)
>Mouthwashing
oh you mean mouthraping, the raping game, the rape, she was hekin rape the game

>>715365005
It's not, all the best looking games have handmade light, there's still not a single dynamically lit 3D game that conveys the same atmosphere as say FF7's prerendered light or Metal Slug's hand drawn light

>>715364730
holy based, i kneel

>>715363002
Streets of Rogue 2

>>715364730
absolutely btfod

>>715333279 (OP)
the visuals on top of the right side fill my head with static- these are the ones you scroll past looking for a real fucking game

>>715336301
I mean if you animate a rig it's pretty simple, but if you need a unique angle or perspective shifts outside of fixed point, shit gets hard fast.
-t.another animator

>>715333279 (OP)
Owlboy is literal trash

Amazing art though.

>>715335568
Yes

>>715333279 (OP)
>left thrives on bandwagoning memeing to work
>right tries too hard at times
why does no one make games like the in the SNES days but with the cruft removed? e.g. ninja gaiden but fix the fake difficulty and lack of diagonal attack and stop instant 0-frame enemy respawns at the edge of the screen

>>715374121
Because no one is really passionate about games anymore, everyone sees it as a get rich scheme

>>715376237
no game should cost your life

>>715376702
spoken like a true plebeian

Hollow Knight's artstyle is too sincere to call it "meme appeal". At it's absolute worst, it's just cutesy.
Also, Shovel Knight should be on the left.

>>715378890
>Hollow Knight's artstyle
>too sincere
It looks like one of those insufferable tumblr webcomics from the early 2010s

>>715364730

>>715379356
>proto-cal-arts at the top
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>dumblrite on the bottom
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>715361146
Filtered by FINNISH KINO

>>715379356
>insufferable tumblr webcomics
but it is not that and is sincere

>>715333279 (OP)
can someone name those games? looking good

>>715364730
holy shit. based gspb

>>715380904
yellow taxi goes vroom on top
streets of rogue 2 is the other