Basically, it’s World of Warcraft but fully solo, with AI-controlled bots that actually behave like real players (not just dumb grind bots).

Tons of advantages:
>zero toxicity, bots only say what they're scripted to
>no issues running dungeons / raids / PvP, worst case, just spawn more bots to fill the group
>bots actually live in the world: they level up, do quests, kill mobs, sell loot in trade chat / auction house
>no spawnkilling (unless two bot camps are too close and keep slaughtering each other; looking at you, Alterac)
>you’re never alone, you can control how many bots are active at once
>you can assign roles to bots (like "this one's the tank, that one heals", etc.)
>no internet needed if you're playing solo, but you can also open it up as a private server for friends

You can copy your server between PCs and your characters and progress move with you.

There’s even an LLM (like ChatGPT) integration in progress so you’ll be able to talk to the bots naturally soon.

I may seem like I'm shilling but I'm not, I just genuinely appreciate this project. If it wasn't for it, I would've completely dropped WoW already.

post the fucking sauce or you mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>715341452 (OP)
I already do this with azerothcore but the AI bots aren't as realistic in chat as other single player projects

where do you get the client now that wow.dl is dead?

you forgot one feature
>is incredibly boring and lacks the main feature of the real game

>>715341641
>lacks the main feature of the real game
All MMORPGs these days lack that feature.
Thanks, Discord.

>>715341452 (OP)
WHERE IS THE CLIENT

>single player mmo with bots
you think you do, but you don't

>>715341452 (OP)
I'll repost some advices.
Bots are just buggy enough to resemble real players just enough.
As warlock of 50th level i can recommend those macro:
/p follow (normal bot mode with some intelligence)
/p guard (guard mode, some patrolling, useful in dungeons like Shadowfang)
/p flee (or whatever command enables this mode - travel mode, bots don't attack unless something is within melee radius and attack command is issued)
Macro for attacking your target.
Macro specificaly for your tank to attack your target (is made through his name).
/p loot (useful for quests).
los (LOS) - bots report all objects they see, including warlock's ritual of summoning.
u [object_link] - also for quests and warlock summoning. Make sure bots stay near the object, aren't in flee mode.
stats for quick stats.
quests in
quests all
quests co - for quest linking and easy quest log cleaning with "drop [quest_link]" and "accept [quest_link]".
talk - forces bots to talk to your target. Useful for some quests, also useful when your rogue had entered the stealth and don't want to come out (so he travels very slow) - target yourself, make him talk.
To clean inventories use button in bot's panel to show it, then "destroy [item_link]" When said into party chat will make everyone to destroy all such items.
e [item_link] - to make bot to equip some item from his inventory. Up until i had figured that out, my warrior tank had ben tanking with two-handed sword (as he was supposed to be arms, but i hadn't figured out details on making a bot to change his build strategy back then). However together with my void and proper controlling things were somewhat fine.
for some quests there is a level requirement, so if you would play with a full party in some cases you would want to "level up" bots admin-style - it is done through that fast-running console, just write level-up command with bot's name in notepad with enter for new string, copy it (along with empty new string) and paste to the console.

>LLM integration
when?

The comfiness of mmos is exploring a big world that feels alive; the equivilant of fancy runescape bots running around that never talk seems pretty awful to play through.

>>715341641
>>715342118
There are two types of players - those, who had seen this game (and many other) as an adventure, and those, who had mostly player with characters with names like "xXpRoDickedUrMoMpRoXx". The latter do not need to apply, they will not find anything for themselves here.

>>715342193
Already exists with mangobots iirc, but you have to build the whole thing manually. Not sure why it's taking so much for the repack to include it.

>>715341452 (OP)
No thanks, I'll just stick to autobalance. Occasionally I do miss the PVP though, especially world PVP while leveling.

>>715341510
https://discord.gg/utrQsjtX3M

>>715341452 (OP)
>2th thread
>still no fucking sauce or anything
>not even a name
actually kys man

>>715341452 (OP)
>setup guide and faq read like schizophrenia to those unfamiliar with the game
When are newfag-friendly instructions coming out?

>>715343257
It's literally the thread title, dummy.

>>715341641
unfortunately Jamal you can't gank people in the a single player game

BUY AN AD

>>715343386
If you don't have the patience to follow a guide on how to compile a server and add modules then you can just download what's known as a repack, those are literally plug'n'play with no setup required.

>>715343257
>2th
ESL retard

>>715343426
so which one of the ((((wow single player projects)))) is this? there's a quarter billion results

OP, SPP is nice and all but it's a bit vanilla. You should try IPS: this is what single player or playing with an old group of friends in wow should be, what I always dreamed playing one day
>individual progression from vanilla to wotlk (the only content that matters)
>tiered content that unlocks only if you complete the lower tier (doing attunements or killing bosses usually) - if you want to skip to an higher tier you have the option to set your progression level via console
>adjusted to play with a wotlk client with vanilla stats and mechanics during vanilla tiers of content, that automatically reverts to tbc\wotlk when you complete naxx
>has hardcore modes if you want to
>has bots and autoscaling based on the group dimension
>has working bgs (I just completed vanilla, so I tried everything up to alterac, don't know about the others)
>everything is easily configurable through conf files
I'm bad at explaining things and I'm surely forgetting way more than what is inside. Just read the documentation:

https://www.ownedcore com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-emulator-servers/wow-emu-general-releases/1040387-azerothcore-wotlk-repack-playerbots-individual-progression-32-other-modules.html

This is just one repack, you can find lighter ones with less shit or just compile one yourself - for example I took this, disabled some things and added ARAC

>>715341634
>>715341914
son?

>>715343464
>buy an ad
>for free software
????

>>715341634
Warmane

It’s just gonna keep getting worse isn’t it? In 100 years all human interaction will be a simulated experience with AI bots
Lord christ save this fallen world

>>715341641
just like the real thing nowadays

>>715344345
>WoTLK and MoP clients

Wake me up when it's advanced enough to simulate playerbase going from full blind to naxx clears.

>>715341830
t. Charisma Vacuum

>>715344405
I mean would you play with the current crowd still lingering in WoW? At least these single player projects let people reminisce about vanilla through to WotLK get it out of their system and move on with life without having the memory tainted by modern WoW
There might come a time when the MMO returns but that is not this day and without a time machine the past is a closed country

>>715343542
Looking at the one this anon >>715343762 posted.
>>715343762
Seems clear enough. But what does "individual progression" mean? Github description says "This module simulates progress through expansions and expansion tiers for individual players." but what does that actually unfold?

>>715344405
people are annoying, faggy, and get in the way of my videogame actually, this is a godsend

SPP is great but modding is where it's at. Blizzlike gets really boring after a while
It's a shame it's so hard to adapt the bots to new BGs/spells

>>715344949
Alterac Valley, my beloved...

WoWtards really didnt get the MMORPG part

>Want to make a Vanilla Plus.
>Increase town sizes so there larger, with more people.
>More monsters and targets.
>More unique quests that's more than "Click this" or "kill that".

>>715345131
Woah, slow down there ideas guy.

>>715344560
Nigger you don't have a computer powerful enough to handle that and probably never will.
>>715344747
It means your character has to first kill Rag to enter BWL, Nef to enter ZG, AQ and OL, and C'thun to enter Naxx. After you kill KT you can finally level past 60 and enter TBC content and so on until OS.
You also get nerfs while in Vanilla and TBC phases because Wotlk classes are OP for that content.
It's good shit, especially since in the past 2 years or so the bots have gotten tons of tactics and can kill most bosses as long as they're hit/exp/def capped and have appropriate gear and talents.

>>715344747
Every character has a progression level that usually starts at 1 (you can change this via config\console). This means you must complete mc\onyxia to progress. Here's a list of available content at every progression level (and what it takes to get to the next one):
https://github com/ZhengPeiRu21/mod-individual-progression/wiki/List-of-Progression-Tiers

As I mentioned I just got through most of vanilla with bots. They have custom scripts available for most of the bosses I encountered, and have general combat scripts (like, avoid AOE, heal, etc.). As for problems, here are some that I faced
>had to give the amulet to access onyxia's lair to bots that weren't with me while clearing UBRS
>had some problems accessing "old" (pre wotlk) original onyxia because of how instancing works post-tbc (had to reset\change difficulty some times to get the bot to follow me)
>couldn't fight the ooze boss in aq40 because my raid was badly made (not enought frost)
>had to cheat (i.e.:reduce party dimension so that my contribute would mean more thanks to the autoscale) C'thun and some naxxramas bosses (4 knights and Thaddius expecially) that could probably be done if I was playing with friends\had a better composed raid

There's an addon that lets you control\recruit\create bots very easily, and generally they behave very well in most situations (better than the average, first time raiding player I'd say)

>>715343762
but are bots actually competent enough to clear all the raids? What about naxx for example, you said I need to clear it in order to proceed to tbc.
Would be really fucking cool if they are able to, but it's hard to imagine they'd be able to do bosses like 4 horsemen.

>>715345280
I remember having a ton of fun with my own 10 man group. Pretty much pretended it was a singleplayer party RPG. Increased normal mobs health by 5x and damage by 3x, increased xp gained and made all quests doable while in a raid group. Then I also inreased every dungeon's max player count to 10, and also increased elite mobs HP by 2x and damage by 1x to compensate, while leveling. Once I got to 60 and stopped farming 5 mans I dropped them to 1x otherwise raids would be unbearable and did the same at 70.
It was nice switching classes every time I wanted a change but really wish there were more RPG elements for the AI, got bored mid TBC.

>>715345126
it was the worst aspect by very far

>>715345280 cont.
Don't know if I was clear enough but I'd like to specify that obviously if you don't want to do vanilla content and skip right to tbc\wotlk (like I'm doing right now with a new character) you can just set your progression level via commands or console to 8 or 14, so that your character is - content-wise - at the start of that expansion (if you set this manually for your character and not through the configuration, you have to set this for your bots too, since they start at the progression level dictated by the server - you can just make a macro with your gm character to quickly set it for the bots in your group\raid)

>>715345253
>You also get nerfs while in Vanilla and TBC phases because Wotlk classes are OP for that content
I'd like to add that there's an option to get nerfed after you complete the expansion's latest tier (naxx for vanilla, sunwell for tbc) so you can level in the new content using new equip (and not t3\sunwell stuff until the first raids)

>>715345480
Horsemen can be beat with an AI group if you're willing to be one of the tanks or one of the healers.

>>715341452 (OP)
Anyone who engages in this has extreme mental illness

>>715345541
>8 or 14
Meant to write 7(tbc start) or 13(wotlk start), sorry (the progression level you set should be the one your character has completed)

>>715345695
>anyone who wants to play old wow by avoiding the current troonfestivus playerbase is mentally ill

Retail WoW already is Single Player
All I do is run dungeons and I'd feel the exact same if they were all bots

Nice thread! Thanks, not that big of a WoW fan but this is nice tinker project.
Given that 8B LLM models are fast to run even on potatoes, I'm pretty interested in the llm integration. I suppose it's using llama.cpp as backend?
For WoW context length could be really short too. At least in my mind this seems very doable.

>>715345749
>I'll not play with these mental boogiemen, now load me up some imaginary friends please
>I am not mentally ill
lol
lmao

>>715345808
Yes but you're doing God's work by giving Blizzard money. You should be ashamed of yourself if you don't

>>715345869
even AI is better than trannies

>>715345926
You'll start convincing yourself that some of the bots are trannies since they live in your head rent free

>>715341452 (OP)
>Basically, it’s World of Warcraft but fully solo
I WANT TO TORTURE ZOOMERS FOR RUINNING THE MMORPG GENRE

>>715341452 (OP)
This is pathetic

>>715346020
because modern wow totally isn't filled with trannies

>>715346136
>Keeps talking about them
lmfao

>>715346191
>evidence wow is filled with them
>hey they live rent free in your head
I suppose they do if I have to put up with them all the time

>>715345869
Playing with bots is not like playing with people, it feels more like playing an rts.
If you like the world, the adventure, the experience of leveling up and clearing dungeons, having a party\raid always available and - more importantly - having the tools to fine tune the game to your liking\needs (not everyone has a life compatible with weekly spots for raids) is a great way to play. All without giving money to blizzard. I'm sorry that you and your colleagues don't feel that way.
Personally I guess that everyone criticizing private servers\solo project has either no passion left for the game, or is a victim of sunken cost fallacies, where they want to feel validated after spending half their life being "hardcore" and want everyone else to feel miserable like them.

>>715346136
that's not the lgbt flag, there's no brown in the rainbow flag.

>>715341452 (OP)
How's the raid AI? I played on Nyctermoon/Microbot which was supposedly built off of SP project. But Ace, the dev there said he had to script all the raid AI by himself. The problem is he completely scripted the complex encounters and not the simple ones so the difficulty is actually inverted because when bots are fully scripted it doesn't even matter what you do, you just let them go.
Has anyone who plays this actually played the original encounters on retail WoW and knows if they work as they do on Blizzard servers?

>complaining about trannies
>entire project is hosted on trannycord

>>715346045
>FOR RUINNING THE MMORPG GENRE
Start with speedrunners, minmaxers, optimizers and, most importantly, various popularizators and guide-makers. No, wait, before them start with CEOs, who had invited "wider audience", that is too stupid to have fun figuring things on its own and can only follow guides and receive dopamine in nigh-nonexisting doses from "checking the box" and showcasing this check to his aquantancies, not from the process itself.

>>715346287
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/23952371/blizzard-lgbtq-employee-network-launches-pride-collection-in-support-of-national-center-for-transgender-equality

And this?

>>715346302
He didn't get them from Cmangos's playerbots he got them from Vmangos's battlebots/partybots created by Brotalnia. Different core.
Modern SPP repacks use Azerothcore's playerbots, which were ported from Cmangos's playerbots by Zhengpeiru and Liyunfan, which have most raid encounters scripted, but you have to cheese a few of them like horsemen.

>>715346045
If you' think it's zoomers who created SPP you're way wrong

>>715345253
>>715345280
So the "individual progression" module basically divides progression into tiers as described at https://github.com/ZhengPeiRu21/mod-individual-progression/wiki/List-of-Progression-Tiers so you can experience the content of the game in a balanced, step-by-step way? I missed most of your explanations as I have never touched WoW in my life, but that's what it essentially does, right?

>>715346816
>Brotalnia
Is that the main dev developing vanilla WoW?

>>715344649
You're on /v/, you have no room to claim superiority.

>>715347040
He's the main guy for vmangos, basically a mangos core dedicated only to vanilla. He created his own bots when cmangos bots were bloated and stood around aimlessly while getting attacked
Pretty cool guy but can be a prick sometimes

>>715347264
And Azeroth Core is for up to and including WotLK?

>>715345808
>Retail WoW already is Single Player
sad but true, every dung/raid feels like I'm playing with bots, unless it's a mythic and someone inevitably rage quits

>>715341452 (OP)
>There’s even an LLM (like ChatGPT) integration in progress
Wake me up when it's been officially implemented and I can have a full on ERP session with Sally Whitemane during her boss fight.

>>715346395
Congrats, you found Blizzard’s yearly virtue signal. They’ve been doing that since 2019 - slap a rainbow on a murloc, link to a charity, and act like their HR department isn’t a tire fire. Doesn’t change the fact that their games have been creatively bankrupt for a decade. Quit treating corporate Twitter PR like a personality test.

>>715347357
Yes, its main contributors are the devs of Chromie WoW, which is now in early wotlk I believe. So you can expect AC to be almost flawless in vanilla and tbc but have a few bugs in wotlk, while still being very much playable
One thing regarding AC playerbots, there are pretty regular memory leaks so most servers should be restarted once a day or so. They fixed some of them but most are still yet to be understood really.

>>715341452 (OP)
I've heard about this before but never bothered.
How far along is it, really?
Already fully done and just needs ironing out or it's still buggy as hell and has a lot of broken shit?
How's stuff like auction house work for example, or raids? Because I can see dungeons being doable with a few NPCs but not really raids.

>>715341452 (OP)

>>715347652
Raids are doable with bots, AH requires an Auctionbot module, there are like three I believe and most repacks have one of them. They can be configured however you want, including buying/selling price, what to sell etc

this type of stuff is cool now since the average pc today runs circles around wow servers back in the day.

>>715341452 (OP)
whats even the point? its a really boring grindan without other players

>zero toxicity, bots only say what they're scripted to

I have to deal with the toxicity of myself and cannot reflect it on some randos on the blizzard official forums

>>715341452 (OP)
>you’re never alone, you can control how many bots are active at once
Isn't being alone the point?

If anyone wants to play an intentionally-designed singleplayer 'MMO', go pirate and play Erenshor. Then buy it if you like it because the solo dev has been pumping out near-daily updates for the past 3 months.

>>715341452 (OP)
The whole point of wow is the multiplayer aspect, the whole fun of leveling is you bump into people who will become either your friends for life or mortal enemies, that's what makes it so irreplaceable. In fact, its the only redeeming quality it has. How lonely and retarded do you have to be to do this?

I want to try out the newer expansions, but I don't want to pay Blizzard 1 dime.
Anything after WOTLK for the SPP project?

man... I remember playing lineage 2 20 years ago and thinking: how much more addicting lineage 3 will be. all the drama, conflicts, tension, grind, politics, monopoly... pure organic sandbox experience.

Reality (20 years later): retards playing mmorpgs like it's a single-player rpg.
it's joever.

>>715348748
The point is to have good experiene without a) questionable decisions of modern developers, b) speedrunners-minmaxers-gamesolveders. To have fun at your own pace. Nobody prevents you from filling the server with a crowd of real plauers, that would satisfy your personal taste, but, unless you are one of those sperdrunners, try finding such a crowd in required quantity.

>>715348085
Where do you find the auctionbot module.

>>715348919
I've seen Cata project, but don't know the state of it.
>>715348897
The whole point of WoW is an adventure you can experience, alone and together. Bots fill "together" category pretty nice if you have at least some imagination, while not suddenly starting crying "death to all niggers, faggots forever" during your adventure with trolls in Zul'Gurub.

>>715349175
>while not suddenly starting crying "death to all niggers, faggots forever"
Why do newfags always make up grandiose fictional black/white scenarios?

>>715347123
You'd be fucking surprised. Not all anons are social autists. I may like trains too much but at least I can fucking talk to people.

>>715349039
On github usually

Would it be a cool idea for a Single Player WoW for the player, if a Paladin or Shaman, to be able to side class change into a Death Knight, becoming hostile to their allied faction and all friendly factions, but gaining a friendly faction in the Scourge and all Undead?

>>715341452 (OP)
>There’s even an LLM (like ChatGPT) integration in progress so you’ll be able to talk to the bots naturally soon.
Sounds like an absolutely retarded way to waste your GPU and CPU power on a useless feature.

>>715341641
99.9% of content is literally designed for soloing. I guarantee that most WoW players just play the game solo and never even communicate with other players. And this was true even back in the days of TBC and WotLK. At most you'd just chat with your actual irl friends.

>>715349674
No, because there's no content for a Scourge player, no stores, no quests, no dungeons or raids, fucking nothing.

won the head on turtle wow

>>715349801
Then make some.
>Capital is Stratholme.
>Undead vendors, trainers.
>Undead Quest Givers(Go menace billy the retard/burn old man Jenkins pumpkin patch)
All that.

Is the WOTLK dungeon finder still broken?

I wish WoW had gore.
If I hit a player for 75K over their health pool, I want to see them dismembered.

i ran the private servers with shitty bots/scripts/desktop macro programs doing raids back in like 2,00-fucking-8.

i've had 60 level 80s multiboxed on Warmane for the past 6 years shutting down guild meetings and shutting down Orgrimmar and raid entrances like icc.

Raid content is easy as fuck if you just set some simple desktop macros. There's videos of dudes doing shit like alt+tab and clicking on individual bomb/marked characters and manually running them out of danger, so even clicker retards can run raid content.

For Warmane i mostly just use Hotkeynet with my own custom script with specific command chains it runs for specific character groups like Shamans or healers or ranged/melee DPS, yada yada, i even used to run this 25 man group off my fucking netbook with a program called Rendering Disabler. Run the script to log all my accounts into Warmane then get them into group/raid/click the summon portals, then disable the rendering to get the netbook to run perfectly fine 25 mans.

Horde cried for years on the forum about me shutting their shit down and finally they had a new rule enforced that you can only have 5 accounts within 8-10 yards of each other or they drain out of mana then health and die, but i get around that shit by just running delay and position commands in my scripts. That only applies to the outside world, you can still run the maximum number of characters on top of each other inside raids/dungeons.

>>715349876
cwelado

AI is the antichrist

>raids are doable
Only if you constantly micromanage your bots
If you just try to do raids and focus on your own role the bots will stand in fire and get flung into whelps because they stand behind onyxia's tail
Extremely disingenuous

>>715344405
I'd agree with you if we were in the 2000s, not in the era of minimaxxing hyper optimizing autistic retards who throw tantrums and/or start gatekeeping if you don't have the required world buffs , the required BiS items or any other inorganic shit like that

>>715348919
There's a SPP Legion repack but it's a broken mess. If you want to host your own shit then you can only expect good scripting on vanilla-wrath cores, and while there are good Cata and MoP servers those are closed source private servers with dedicated dev teams. You just can't find good cores after WotLK.
>>715350453
You severely underestimate how much time it takes to create, test and balance content.
>>715350780
Broken how? It's worked fine for years on pretty much all cores AFAIK.

>>715341452 (OP)
I hope singleplayer WoW advances far enough until singleplayer MoP is a thing. Along with Wrath, it was most fun I have ever had.

>>715354317
That's only realistically going to happen if Tauri makes their core open source, but we can dream that they'll do it in 20never when they finally release their Legion server.

>>715353761
>You severely underestimate how much time it takes to create, test and balance content.
nta, but you don't need to balance a game if it's a single player game. It's not like anyone gives a shit. You can balance things over a year after you introduce new content.
But, as a dev I know how long it would take to do this. Especially because I assume the devs of SPP are probably doing it for free so that they aren't sued by Blizzard.
Still, it would be pretty fucking cool to re-imagine the single player experience into more of an "open" world game. As in, a better way to do diplomacy, betraying your own faction to join the opposing one, or creating your own faction and conquering territories. Something similar to how Mount and Blade Warband works in that regard.

>>715354658
You might as well play tabletop games in the setting, that's as close as you're ever gonna get to that.

>>715354658
If you don't think it's a lot of work then you're free to do it and publish your stuff. I don't disagree that it's a cool idea but I don't think it is doable.

so how much bots can the server handle? like if I have a 9800x3d? can I spawn 50000 people or will I crash out?

>>715349876
>>715349876

Yeah I just play Turtle now. The new areas to level in were pretty nice. I did their new dungeon Gilneas City yesterday and it wasn't bad. Felt cramped for my Tauren though... like that feeling of running SFK. It's just too small for me.

I couldn't hold threat at all though. I thought my warrior was pretty well off but rogues and paladins kept pulling off me instantly. Not a fun experience running around taunting stuff to only lose it a second or two later.

>>715355049
Even retail servers don't stick that many people in

>>715355123
I have no idea whats the sense of system requirements scale for hosting large amounts of bots so I'm trying to get an idea here.

>>715355175
Well the raids are meant to be doable, so that means a floor of 25 concurrently, you could probably double that with minimal issues.

>subjecting yourself to boring 1-2 button gameplay for hundreds of hours to play with bots
>completely missing the point of MMOs
I swear some of you fucks are braindead.

>cant even do ubrs because the dumb fuck bots don't know how to click the altar to activate the 1st boss
Never falling for this shit again, fuck you

>>715355401
If you're hosting your own server, you can have friends on and use bots to pad out the rest

>>715355103
browns suck on aoe threat holding, that's the job/niche of a druid bear i think

>>715341452 (OP)
I had this idea to but it would work best with a game like old school RuneScape since a strong RTX card could probably support it better.

I always wanted this. Having like 10-20 specific personalities like “questing” players who are just out doing quests and are interested in playing with the user. You stand at a bank and ask “can anyone help me complete monkey madness?” And now you’ll have a “player” following you around giving you details on the quest and even fighting monsters with you if they are eligible.
PvP players should also be lurking in the wilderness, wanting to mean up sometimes. They should be interested in betraying you once in awhile as well. Idk it would be pretty damn cool, the only shit part would be things like grand exchange or auction house can’t work because you really can’t have every AI playing the game their own way selling stuff to the market and expecting other bots to need those items ect.

It’s honestly the best idea for dead MMORPGs though.

>>715341452 (OP)
>Zero toxicity.

I want this project to fail now because you said this fyi.

>>715355492
Player activity in the AH can probably be simulated through raw math without having the bots interact with it, just make offerings and prices fluctuate according to an algorithm and done.

>>715355737
Modules that simulate an auction house have been around for years, I've never used one but AFAIK it's just a script that lists and buys items as fake players without populating the world with bots. It's older tech than the playerbots/NPCbots stuff.

>>715355006
>I don't think it is doable.
Everything is doable.

are you basically forced to take enchanting/jewelcrafting for endgame?

>>715355984
If you want to sink hundreds of hours of dev time into creating content that by design locks the player out of a majority of the other content then go ahead. Doable, but not worth the dev time. Being an ideas guy is easy, putting in the work actually creating content is harder.
>>715356186
Most of these repacks raise the profession cap so you can have all professions on a single character and if they don't it's a 30 second edit in the worldserver config file to change it yourself.

>>715355401
>completely missing the point of MMOs
Most people never interacted with others in MMOs. At best MMOs were just a fancy interactive social media for kids.
The main reason why WoW and Runescape were the most successful and popular MMORPGs was because almost all content was optimized for single player and interacting with players was in 99% cases optional.

>>715341452 (OP)
Tried this and get ganked by 60lv horde thief in night elf starting area.
Peak vanilla experience.

>>715341452 (OP)
Can you make your own guild and have the bots like.. "bot" for you? The way Asmongold played classic when it released was that he just stood in the main city and let people trade him shit until his character was maxed out.
Does this work like that? Can I task bots with farming me gold, farming me cloth and greens for my tailoring / enchanting? Can I set up a bot to craft me potions and flasks?
And lastly: There is no way these bots are actually capable of defeating the harder raids. Do tanks know where to stand? Do they know taunt rotations? Do raid player bots know hot to spread when there's chaining abilities and how to huddle when they need to stay together?

Also: how good is the actual full solo offline experience and where do I even download it?

>Playing WoW entirely solo with bots.

Thats the saddest shit i heard in a little while.

>>715348040
of course all the women do is watch with their mouths hanging open

What is it with people shilling their shitty WoW projects on /v/?
First it was Troontle and other private servers and now it's this shit
There are a dozen places on the internet with more users than a single board on 4chan that you can use to advertise openly instead of trying this dumb shit

>>715357986
>people are talking about videogames in the videogames board!?!??!!?

>>715348937
For me, it's swimming in a lake on a hot Summer's day after making a new set of bags for my troll huntard.
Thinking of what Warcraft 4 (which is obviously going to be released in 2006, 2007 tops) and WoW 2 (out by 2010) are going to be like.

The big trend back then was adding physics (HL2, FEAR, upcoming Oblivion) which would be really hard to implement meaningfully in an RTS or MMO, but if anyone can do it, it's Blizzard.
WC4 Tauren Chieftain could be able to split mountains apart with his shockwaves, creating new paths and maybe even finding secret locations and objects (caves, mines, etc.)
Or maybe you could do crazy combos like starting forest fires with Blood Mage, and then picking all of the burning trees up with Naga's ultimate (Tornado) to launch a terrible raging inferno into enemy's base.

Same with WoW2, man would it be cool if you could send a bunch of giant rocks/logs down the slopes of Arathi or Alterac, right into advancing enemy team, only for their mages to break them apart or priests to push them away with some kind of barrier/telekinesis spell.
Raids with physics-based combat would be wild as well.

And all of that is just one new aspect added to the game - physics, obviously Blizzard will do a lot more.
Because it's Blizzard.
Or so I thought, swimming in that fucking lake.

>>715358223
Sir, this is a "Stop Killing Games" and "e-celeb drama" board.

postin in a bot thread

Why are the names so unrealistic?

>>715358223
You realize people are able to tell when someone doesn't post here often, correct?

>>715341452 (OP)
Where's the fucking single player download link OP? All I see is people shilling their "x2 blizllike with triple crafting" servers and shit like that.

>>715341452 (OP)
Just play modern wow?
Most content is single player focused and they introduced AI party members for dungeons iirc.

>>715358796
It’s about having a vanilla experience interacting with “players” though. I’d rather play with 2000 AI bots that act that way than some faggot sperg raidIO niggahs

can you erp with the bots yet
can you have a harem of naked femhumans following you around

>>715355103
>turtle wow
p2w cash shop trash server
wait for epoch

Can I check this out WITHOUT having to join some gay ass discord?

>>715341452 (OP)
Mental illness

>>715359595
>p2w cash shop
Huh? They sell skins and mounts.

>>715359724
If you want the latest SPP version then you probably have to join their discord, but SPP is just a repack (precompiled server + software required to run it and in this case a bunch of modules and edits), if you compile your own server with the modules then you don't need to join any discords.

>>715341452 (OP)

>>715341452 (OP)
Is there one for CoX?

>>715341452 (OP)
Is this good for someone that never played wow and doesn't want anything to do with the community? I just wanna play through the story and the zones after Warcraft 3.

>>715360249
You don't really need bots for that, nearly all quests (especially the story ones) are soloable so you can just host an offline server and do quests if you want to.

>>715359953
They sell 34 slot bags, auction house/repair/mail pets and more.
p2w funserver. Ez skip

>>715360373
But I will have to do dungeons and raids to see the end of said quests. No?

>>715359595
>wait for epoch
No thank you.

>>715360423
Some dungeons have questlines that tie in to the overall story, like the Deadmines, but a lot of dungeons and raids are pretty disconnected and have a self-contained story. Most of the stories are told through quest chains in the overworld hubs and very rarely do they culminate in a final quest that takes you to a dungeon or raid. If you want to do dungeons and raids you have three choices:
1. Playerbots
2. Scaling modules like AutoBalance (changes dungeon/raid mob stats depending on player count)
3. Use of GM commands to juice up your character so you can solo stuff you're not supposed to
I've never tried using playerbots so I don't know how well they execute raid mechanics, but supposedly they're pretty good but no matter what approach you take you'll probably have to use cheats are some points because there are encounters that by design require more than one player doing things correctly and you can't bruteforce it by having more stats.

>>715341452 (OP)
>There’s even an LLM (like ChatGPT) integration in progress

>>715360378
Can you sell any of that for gold?
>>715360725
Bro...i actually looked forward to it. I heard that Epoch is banning you for jokes so i guess i know the reason why. Devteam is rotten.

>>715341452 (OP)
I really thought this was the goal for solo players to be able to play dungeons and raids when the warbands were announced. You could gear and level other characters that are then controlled by AI when you run a dungeon. I guess they did implement follower dungeons but they are only for normal last I checked. I wanted mythic and at least normal raids.

>>715345253
That sounds incredibly fun. What a great idea.

>>715341452 (OP)
But why? The unique appeal of an MMO is interacting with others players. If you want a singleplayer RPG there are fuckin hundreds to choose from. Are you that socially retarded that you can't get in a Classic raiding guild?

>>715358796
I don't mind interacting in retail with players, I don't say much anymore because of how sensitive everyone is and how fast you'll get banned, but i will never do M+ or raid with current players again. It's become a miserable experience over the years. The problem is that retail only has the AI for normal dungeons and delves, which are like scenarios, nothing close to endgame.

>>715356281
>not worth the dev time
Nta, but that's just your opinion, man.

>>715362413
It's an opinion I'll have until idea guys actually start producing content. Fantasizing about cool stuff is easy, putting in the work required to make it a reality is hard.

people acting like the fun of Vanilla WoW is interacting with the playerbase are either delusional or they haven't been on the internet since like 2006. The appeal of returning to the game is enjoying the art, the music, the slow paced questing, and the general aesthetic of the game. It is made actively worse by playing and having people talking about trump or biden or reddit or asmongold or whatever meme is popular. The ratio of novel social experiences to interacting with braindead retards is like 1:500. You're not joining an SM Cath group and learning about some new anime or musical artist, it's either going to be silent (like the bots) or people will be autistic or retarded.

The npc bots are too op

>>715363036
This is what I wondered about. During a raid wouldn't the bots have to perform mechanics near perfectly?

>>715363189
>>715363036
you can program them to be retarded at random frequencies

>>715363315
But would you want to? In a regular raid you could assign roles, change strategies and explain where they're fucking up, which you can't do with a bot. I still distinctly remember our first KT kill where people were dropping and it was a race to burn him down. I wonder if this could capture that type of experience.

>>715361784
Any RPGs where you go from 1 guy to leading 20+ units at once?
Singleplayer rpg turning into a light rts sounds interesting in its own way.

>>715364284
Brutal Legend?

>>715362839
TRVTHNVKE

>>715341452 (OP)
>Raid
I can't find a single video of someone raiding with god damn bots. Looking into the github, I don't know if you can even equip the bots, they seem to be randomly generated. Can anyone show a singular video of someone raiding with the bots? I HIGHLY doubt that they could even get past the Core Hounds in Molten Core.

>>715360423
You have a config file where you can effectively set the game difficulty. You can adjust things to your liking so that the game is actually fully playable solo.

My recommendation is to adjust the following:
>Item drop rates for everything except trash items:
>5x-10x
Original drop rates were balanced around the idea that there will be 2000 active players who sell items they farm on the auction house.
>Gold drop rate:
>0x
Simply to balance the fact that you're increasing item drop rate.
>Item drop rates for trash items:
>0x
These cannot be used. Their only purpose is to artificially pad content.
>Maximum professions:
>11 (or whatever is max in your expansion)
It makes little sense for a solo game mode to lock you into 2 professions.
>Talent rate:
>1.5x or 2x
While it will make some content easier (especially in the mid game when you get access to good talents 10-20 levels earlier), there is content that's balanced around there being 5 or more players and increasing the talent rate is a good way to make that content doable.
>Base movement speed:
>1.3x
Traveling around is just painfully slow in this game.
>Instant flight paths:
>enabled
While flying around looks pretty cool the first few times you do it, it just becomes a pointless waste of time.
>Enemy HP rate and damage rate
>0.5x - 0.8x
Adjust to your liking, but don't go too low. I don't recommend actually reducing damage to anything except elites/bosses since those are balanced around there being multiple players fighting them and healers existing.
>dungeon/instance/raid party restrictions
>disable
This makes it possible to go into dungeons without being in a party of 5+.

If you think "but won't this make progression too fast and the game too easy" keep in mind that the game is designed to waste your time as much as possible since it's a monthly subscription game. These will just simulate you being in a group of 5.

>>715364284
Mount & Blade

>>715343220
no, the link to github

>>715345280
how do you actually set this up to start playing? i only want to play vanilla

>>715354658
The amount of work that would need to be done for that could be invested in making your own game that you could actually profit from.

>look for raid content with this shit
>finally find something on youtube
>it's not even the bots it just buffes your HP and damage so high that you can face tank bosses and defeat them in 2-3 hits.
Wow, cool, now I get to play and get the experience I would get when if I went back 2 expansions later with an overleveld character that can solo everything! How exciting! All the thrill of farming Ashes of Al'ar, but now as the entire game! I might CUM!

>>715342193
>exploring wow
it’s not 2005 anymore

>>715343682
>implying the average mutt knows his language

I miss starting on a new server every now and then to meet new players =women while leveling.
They were so lonely and horny back then, just like us guys

>>715366206
You're looking at a different modification of the game, not what OP is talking about

I can't wait until we have AI smart enough to play this game on its own
then we won't need addons and macros and commands to control the bots
they can be their own players and play it 24/7 on its own, with their own personality and groups
MMO would come in a resurgence

>>715348897
yeah but you aren't getting Vanilla WoW launch experience ever again in your life just accept it. The only way to do it is digitally re-create it with AI or the world makes an immersive VR 3D game. That shit is still no where near realistic despite having made good advances in sword fighting and ballistics tech. No one is coding smarter AI to interact with and have not been for the longest time now. Like where is the adventure game you give your NPC bro a pat on the back for good work or fist bump.

>>715341452 (OP)
>bots
>not content scaling
>mangOS
gross. Azerothcore solocraft remains superior. Herding players during a dungeon or raid is awful, doing so with bots will be even worse.
Also the little addons they include for vanilla wow don’t fucking work, and neither do the bot commands.

>>715365594
This is a config file found within the mod files? I just wanna check if this is possible through the regular game?

>>715342118
would hardly be much different than it is currently

>>715367052
the ai is smart. just run better bots. there's different bots for wow.

>>715342118
>you think you do, but you don't

And how did that work out last time is was said?

>>715367369
thats fine, these are the baby steps for full automation. I would take a game with a fake player base in an MMO over retarded niggahs who are either brain dead or meta slaves who need a resume to play with you.

>>715341452 (OP)
MY BROTHERS

This should be STRICTLY RP. These automated players need to RP as their character it would make the game SIGNIFICANTLY more fun. Once we have real AI like this, vidya is gonna be fucking top tier

>>715367369
yeah i've tried a couple of these bot addons, they're all in chinese and most of the commands are broken

>>715343762
Sounds better than SPP. How's the raiding? I'm mostly interested in Raiding, and SPP seems like it's a fucking nightmare to do the raids without cheats, focusing to play bot micromanaging instead of raiding, and from watching this dude: https://www.youtube.com/@ileboii/videos I wonder if it would even be possible if not playing as the main tank.

>>715353761
>Broken how? It's worked fine for years on pretty much all cores AFAIK.
All bots that join are joining as dps

>>715367878
I agree, but I do hope for a vanilla solo wow with similarity to azerothcore. Of all the emulators I’ve played, that one is the most stable and easy to customize. I don’t really like the wrath talent trees and the nerfed 1-60 content that came from the game’s power creep.

>>715367052
At this point I'd rather just run raids scaled down to either 1 player or 1 player and 5 bots.
Also would be nice if there was a simulated AH economy.

>>715351857
>>715352362

>>715368284
UNNNNNNNNNNLIMITED
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>715343762
Oh fuck, important question: If this works on the WotlK framework but with "vanilla like" tweaks, does that mean the debuff limit is not in effect? Can I fuck a group up with warlocks and shadow priests?

>>715368206
I don't think the Individual Progression module reverts the talent trees but it should revert a lot of casualization stuff like certain group quest mobs no longer being elites, removing buffed HP/MP regen below a certain level and and other similar changes.
>>715368239
Autobalance does just that, and there's a module that simulates the AH as well.
>>715368340
Most repacks are based on AzerothCore or forks of it so as per WotLK's default rules there's no longer a debuff limit

>>715342118
>single player mmo with bots
lfd, lfr and sharding made it feel like you are playing with bots
nobody talks anymore outside of guilds and there is no community on the realms whatsoever

playing an mmo truly solo has to be one of the most pathetic and sad things i've ever heard of

Every post in this thread full of seethe at this project is a zoomer that realizes every adult would rather have a world full of bots than interact with their raid/parse trannyism.

>>715341452 (OP)
why

>>715341452 (OP)
is this some kind of pajeet headcanon trying to push chatgpt in wow?
kys

>>715343762
Looks interesting. What did you disable anon? Because I might be interested in this. Did you remove auto-balance? I feel like if running this, but if the game just re-balanced itself in difficulty, what's the point, really?

>>715342193
It won't matter because it won't let you interact with the game itself. Totally different systems. You still need direct commands for bots.

>>715349310
This. Retards like >>715341830 forgot that Ventrilo, Skype, Mumble, and Teamspeak existed before Discord.

>>715349876
>>715355103
Eternal question - Turtle or Epoch? They both seem to be doing big changes in that Vanilla+ direction. Does using WotLK client make a big difference for anything beyond having achievements?

>>715367562
I think every private server has an equivalent of a "worldserver.conf" file with these properties. I'm mainly familiar with TrinityCore which has all these options.
It's very simple to change shit since you can Ctrl+F everything and it's literally a matter of changing stuff like
>XXX_rate=1
to
>XXX_rate=10
in a simple text editor.

You can simply follow these instructions to set up the server:
https://trinitycore.info/en/install/requirements

There's multiple videos online on how to do it if you get lost. I personally always set it up on a separate Linux machine and just connect to it over LAN, but you can host the server on the same machine as your game is (in which case you'd use 127.0.0.1 as your server IP)

Do keep in mind that each time you change the .config files you have to stop the server and launch it again for the changes to apply.

>>715368971
Question: Aren't Turtle and Epoch not just regular private servers? Or can you play with bots on those as well?

>>715361081
>Bro...i actually looked forward to it. I heard that Epoch is banning you for jokes so i guess i know the reason why. Devteam is rotten.
I wish it was exclusive, but that's the entire private scene. Certainly every big enough server has toe the progressive line. Turtle, for example, apparently has tranny GMs.

>>715343762
Checked this out but the main client download link is a dud, goes to a ruski website with no actual DL link.

>>715368692
NTA, the AutoBalance module is needed if you want to solo dungeon and raid content, you will just get statchecked if you do it without it. It is very configurable though, so if you are willing to do some testing you can find a difficulty that suits your tastes.
>>715368971
I haven't kept up with Epoch so I don't know what changes they've made to the core and overall server but 3.3.5 WotLK is different from 1.12 vanilla in several ways, like not having a debuff limit, +healing and +spell damage being merged into spellpower and such. Unless the Epoch dev(s) also revert changes like those then it will be different from vanilla even if they revert spells and talents.
>>715369097
They are regular servers and no you can't play with bots on them.

>>715341452 (OP)
I'd be able to respect efforts like these more if the people that engaged with it were fine admitting that they're the biggest pussies and most socially-maladjusted "people" alive, being unable to function and play with other people on even the myriad of private servers available (or even their own), but I guess if they were able to come to terms with that, they also wouldn't be the kind of person to do something as sad as playing an MMO offline with bots.

>>715361081
>>715369160
>Banned you for jokes
Tell the joke Anon. Because every time someone says: "I got banned for telling a joke" the joke is just the most racist shit you have ever heard, and you niggers can't deal with the fact that outside of 4chan people don't like it if you behave like a 4channer.

>>715368971
Turtle using a butchered actual vanilla client is really noticeable and they have to do a lot of tweaks through mods and addons to make it functional comparable to 3.3.5.
Epoch is probably gonna be very popular for a few months after its launch so if you wanna FRESH WHEN I'd recommend that.
Heard they went a bit overboard with difficulty in Epoch for leveling dungeons, to the point people were struggling with mechanics in deadmines and shit.
Turtle's custom content is the epitome of SOVL and making excellent use of neglected/forgotten warcraft lore, can't speak for Epochs.

>>715368965
None of which were as prevalent as discord lil zoom.

>>715368609
yeah people who play this very easy, casual game and treat it like a job are the worst

>>715369285
>AutoBalance module is needed if you want to solo dungeon and raid content
Solo as in actually solo? Because the whole point is that I want to do dungeons and raids with bots, and I'm a bit afraid that I enter Molten Core and it's just gonna boost the group to make it a cake walk, at which point I might just join some "get instant OP" private server.

>>715369160
Turtle has psychotic power tripping GMs who recreationally use their power to terrorize the player base. i have never played on a server where GMs threatened to ban users for dancing naked outside of the SW bank until Turtle. totally deranged.

>>715369478
Solo and in solo without bots, yes. If you want to do it with bots then AFAIK you shouldn't need scaling modules, the bots should have appropriate stats for the content you're creating them for so they don't need to be scaled up and the mobs don't need to be scaled down, but I'm just guessing based on footage I've seen because I've never used playerbots.

>>715368971
problem is they're directly competing for the same audience. turtle has the whole "slower vanilla experience with RP bent" while epoch is going for a more balanced, widely appealing approach.

>>715368609
No, it's because you're feckless bitches. If you weren't, you'd be playing with each other as well, but you can't even handle that. You can't handle interacting with anyone. You're so afraid of even EACH OTHER--of YOUR likeminded peers--that you still end up choosing to retreat into a world of bots for a distinctly multiplayer game. It's disgusting.

>>715369354
>FRESH WHEN
the meme fucking lives

>>715364284

dungeon siege

>>715369820
Have you played classic at all in recent memory?

>>715368284
>>715368328

>>715369820
sorry junior but when you're older and have responsibilities and can't rely on mommy to microwave your tendies for you, you'll understand how games that can require 6, 10, 12 hours of uninterrupted attention or you let down 4 or 19 other people can be difficult to commit to

>>715369708
Ah, alright so I'm downloading shit now, I'm gonna be playing with bots, so can i turn modules off and turn them on later? For now I want to try without shit like "Auto Balance" and "Auto Revive", as it feels a bit too "cheaty" for my personal taste, but I want to leave the option to maybe turn balance back on if the bot shit is hot nonsense.

>>715370095
Nta, but classic is a solved, 20yr old game. Why would someone who isn't a parse/raid tranny pick it up now?

>>715369820
This post reeks of "I can only enjoy a game when it allows me to ruin the gameplay of other players." You hate the notion of people choosing not to play with you, because it robs you of your ability to feel power over them.

>>715370298
And that's the issue isn't it? There's no room for anything else because people expect you to have all that knowledge without fail.

>>715342118
>AI will only improve
>sooner than you think they will occupy all online games, and be far more friendly and cooperative than most human players that don't even talk anymore
>no more politics
>no more loot ninjas (unless you want them to be like that)
>no more shitty players unless you want them to be like that

on one hand, its a bit dark

on the other ignorance is bliss

>>715370142
>so can i turn modules off and turn them on later?
Yes. Repacks work like this: they compile the source code for you and include necessary data files and software to run the server, so it's plug'n'play. The downside of this is that you have no access to the source code so you can't make edits to the core, but if a repack includes modules then those modules have configuration files which you can change without having to recompile. Pic related shows 4 modules I have for my 3.3.5 WotLK server and a snippet of what AutoBalance's configs look like.

>>715370445
Yeah, because the only people still playing are super autists. Blizzard didn't do anything with classic, so the autist had to make their own fun.

>>715369354
Is there really no word out on Epoch's content because few days of stress testing they had?

I remember a decade ago hearing about AI that was trained to play StarCraft, how far along is that tech? Being able to spool up servers for any game and fill it with bots would be cool as hell.

>>715370470
Alright, I guess I'll work myself through some config files then, thanks anon. Much appreciated! My goal is to fight my way from classic to lich king, but get bored before hitting level 20 and probably quit again, lmao.

>>715370136
>no, I can't play with other people, I'm too afraid of letting them down
>>715370372
>no, I can't play with other people, I'm too afraid they're secretly trying to ruin my fun
>>715370445
>no, I can't play with other people, I'm too afraid that every last one of them demands me to be an expert

Exactly, it's cowardice, top to bottom. You can't just let go and play to have fun, and even when you're surrounded by likeminded people in this thread, echoing similar sentiments as yourself, you're too held back by your fear to connect to each other. It's oh so incredibly sad that you're all like this

>>715370854
Why does it bother you so much that others prefer to have fun by themselves? Do you fear being left alone? Why do you feel so insecure about this?

>>715368965
This post just shows that you didn't experience any of that.

>>715346385
Retard.

>>715349876
>pissado
now thats a name i havent seen (in wowg) in a long time

>>715370753
AlphaStar reached grandmaster rank (top 0.2%) and beat a few pros IIRC, they didn't pursue further development after that. There are still hobbyists that make their own SC2 AIs but I think those are based more on scripting and not reinforcement learning, i.e they have preprogrammed strategies that they execute on a superhuman level.
>>715370820
No problem. If you get bored you can always start messing around and modding a bit, like making hybrid classes or tweaking talent gain rates so you can make new builds. Stoneharry's spell editor is super easy to use and if you end up with a 3.3.5 AzerothCore server then Keira is also a really simple editor for changing or creating new quests, items, npcs etc. I don't really play my server anymore, I just mod it.

>>715370971
Playing a MMORPG by yourself seems like the height of stupidity to me.

>>715370854
You're not doing much to help your case. You're evidently a low level anti-social. You have zero power over the solo player, and you hate it. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, you can do to make things your way.

>>715370468
most of those latter problems with player behavior are due to third world/bugmen countries (india, china, russia, etc.) having more internet access, trannies existing, etc. they wouldn't be as much of a problem problem if you had a whites only private server.

SPP is great. It helped me realize just how fucking ass PvE content is. All of it. MC? Ass. AQ? Ass. Naxx? Ass. ST? Ass. TK? Ass. Sunwell? Ass. ICC? Ass. Ulduar? A--

Okay Ulduar is pretty great, but that's because it didn't feel like an instance. That's my problem with most raids. They feel like instances. Dungeons in vanilla don't have that problem, because they weren't designed for player convenience. Something about raids and TBC-forward dungeons being built specifically to accommodate players really grinds my gears.

>>715370854
you don't pass

>>715370971
Natural human empathy makes people feel pity when someone chooses to become a wretch and indulge in their personal failings, similar to how people naturally feel it's a tragedy when someone kills themselves, even when they're unrelated to you and you have nothing to gain from them.

>>715371334
ilvl was figured out by the time late vanilla and early tbc rolled around. thats when the pve design shifted heavily.

>>715370470
>>715343762
Oh couple last things: How do professions work on offline servers with bots like that? Like, if I want to raid and make myself potions and flasks, do I have to grind materials and make alts with the correct professions? Can I get bots to make shit for me, or farm shit for me?
And addons, with it being technically a 3.3.5a client, if I want to use for instance a quest addon for vanilla, will a 1.x addon work, or do I need to find something for 3.3.5a?

>>715371191
>mess around with shit
I might look for something that lets me have all professions on my one character, if the answer to the question regarding professions above is "no" I guess.

>>715371334
I think ZG is neat because it has an open, non-linear layout and allows for mounting, even has an optional boss related to a profession and you can even skip bosses to do a harder version of the final boss. ZA is a little similar but has a way more linear path unfortunately.

>>715371334
>They feel like instances.
Because they are instances?

>>715371524
>Oh couple last things: How do professions work on offline servers with bots like that? Like, if I want to raid and make myself potions and flasks, do I have to grind materials and make alts with the correct professions? Can I get bots to make shit for me, or farm shit for me?
Most single player oriented repacks will just change the profession cap from 2 to 11 so you can have all professions on a single character, and even if you don't you can make that change to the server config in like 30 seconds. There's also a module that makes bots buy and sell stuff on the auction house so you could theoretically buy materials or flasks on the AH. I don't think you can task bots with farming for you though.
>And addons, with it being technically a 3.3.5a client, if I want to use for instance a quest addon for vanilla, will a 1.x addon work, or do I need to find something for 3.3.5a?
3.3.5a client requires 3.3.5a addons
>I might look for something that lets me have all professions on my one character, if the answer to the question regarding professions above is "no" I guess.
Open worldserver.conf in the configs folder, search for "MaxPrimaryTradeSkill" and change it from = 2 to = 11 if this is not already a default setting in the repack.

>>715371334
yeah, i feel you. dungeons are allowed to have cramped spaces that make them feel natural, while raids have to be massive sprawling open spaces designed for dozens of players to occupy at the same time.

>>715371556
I don't know if I can properly convey in words what the difference in feeling Blackrock Depths conveys and carries compared to Magister's Terrace. If you don't feel the difference, then I don't think we can share opinions with each other due to a lack of communication.

>>715367802
>be playing private servers for years
>come back to Blizz to try WoW Classic
>playerbase is 100x more toxic
>minmaxxers everywhere
>nobody actually doing dungeons, just people buying/selling boosts
>people want raidlogs, gear checks, 3 employer references, blood sample, semen sample to be invited for content designed to be cleared by 40 people on toasters with dialup internet who didnt know what they were doing
>people everywhere complaining about the lack of QoL features
>asking for features from later expansions to be backported.

I think that guy was right, a lot of people thought they wanted it, but they didnt.

>>715371334
>Raids are ass
That's because you're not playing them the in the intended way. playing it now, solo of course it kinda sucks. They were originally intended to be 40 man epic takedowns that you had to prepare weeks and months to get to, then probably fail over and over at until you finally get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oju6cjG3vJM Shit like this? A guild wiping again and again on Ragnaros, their current attempt is going down the toilet, people are death or dying, ragnaros becomes invulnerable and it seems like all hope is lost, until he comes back up, one shaman self-rezzes, yells "HERE COMES THE PAIN, BITCH!" and fucking destroys Rag with a frost shock?
That's shit you can never ever get as a single player experience.

>>715371992
the difference between classic and hardcore was insane. my friends dragged me into playing hardcore and the community was very nice, so after i died i transferred my character to a regular server. what a fucking difference, man. quit the game that same day.

>>715371765
Alright anon, thanks a bunch! Guess since WotlK is pre-Deathwing, most questing addons for 3.3.5a should work with the vanilla experience.

>>715371992
Blizzard and the audience had two different meanings of what "it" is. Blizzard thought the audience was talking about vanilla WoW, and only the game itself. The audience wanted "it" to be the feeling of adventure and wonder that they felt back in 2004-2006. Blizzard was correct in thinking the audience didn't want just the vanilla client, but the audience misunderstood and though Blizzard was being malicious and claiming the audience didn't want to have adventure again.

Unfortunately, the magic of 2004-2008 can't be captured again. Facebook and Twitter became available to everyone in 2006. The smart phone was publicly released in 2007. We can't go back to the way things were. We can't go back to communication over forums, TS2, AOL, or IRC.

>>715371978
Probably can't. I've played MMOs without instances, so the moment I walk into a dungeon/raid I know I've left the world.

>>715371992
So what exactly was keeping you and the thousands of other guys who didn't want 24-Factor Authentication for raid groups from guilding up together? Just didn't feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel like it, huh?

>>715372336
Hardcore, at least for a short time, was ironically enough more welcoming and friendly to newcomers.

>>715371992
>I think that guy was right, a lot of people thought they wanted it, but they didnt.
depends on who you're talking about. 'Classic' was primarily made for people who weren't there but watch streamers who talk about "ya dood wpvp was da best i love getting ganked by some guy 10 levels higher than me and unable to progress in the game at all". it wasn't really made for people who liked vanilla and played it at the time, Classic wasn't even vanilla to begin with.

>>715372204
The reason I don't agree with you isn't because that's not an epic win, it's because WoW allowed everyone to have an epic moment regardless of content type. Such an experience isn't exclusive to MC, or raiding, or instancing in general. My criticism isn't the lack of interaction between me and others, it's that raids just feel so incredibly boring time-wasters because the enemies are static. They don't change. The adds don't change, the phases don't change, the gimmicks don't change, and the scenery doesn't change.

I feel more emotion trying to purge Tarren Mill in Hillsbrad than I do fighting bugs in an underground network of caverns. If I'm in the minority, then sucks to be me. But if the people who enjoy the repetitive grind of raiding are the minority, yet they dictated the end-game of MMOs by controlling the culture of game design, then we should all be livid because they helped make video games ass.

>>715372204
and shit like that happens in less than 0.0001% of runs, who cares. i've played this game on and off for nearly two decades and never had or seen a Leeroy Jenkins moment either.

>>715370732
Days? Both stress tests were barely an hour or two long. I tried to enter stockades but was met with "this instance is closed".

>>715372528
>continuing to pay money to try and claw back a small semblence of the chill communities of private servers instead of just going back to private
>ISHYDDT

>>715370732
what word? they've had a few beta tests, so you can probably find archived livestreams or general impressions on youtube. wouldn't recommend the private server general on /vg/ because it's unironically a group of trannies who have been trying to run and control the thread and entire 4chan population for over a decade at this point, so they go out of their way to lie about any server they don't want to play on.

>>715372627
It really was, yeah. Some of the most friendly people I've ever played WoW with were randoms I met doing dungeons on hardcore.

It's cool but I'll wait until it's better.
I would love to see this tech in other dead multiplayer games like Tribes or Mount&Blade

>>715372693
>My criticism isn't the lack of interaction between me and others, it's that raids just feel so incredibly boring time-wasters because the enemies are static.
And what I'm trying to explain is that when this all was new, when we hadn't done this, and games like this a thousand times before, this was exciting, thrilling, difficult! Today we know how to grind BiS pre-raid gear and beat raggy first try no sweat. But back then it was an ordeal even getting 40 people to show up on time, let alone all be geared. The adds and phases and gimmicks don't need to change because for us, back then they were new. Is it amazing? No. But it was very much: The best of it's time.
What you're doing is watching The Original Series Star Trek, and complaining how obvious and done a million times some of the plot elements are. "Oh, the seemingly almighty being tormenting them, was actually just a child-god misbehaving?" "Oh the large round rocks found deep in the mines are eggs and their moms are angry?" This seems "been there, done that" to you now, because in the 60 years since it's aired it's been copied and done better a thousand times.
Back then, getting 40 people together and killing something for the very first time was HUGELY exciting!

>>715373189
Now I understand what you are meaning, and I can appreciate how you feel about it. I don't agree, but I'm not going to tell you to not feel good about something that brings you joy.

>>715372890
>and claw back
This is the problem with you people these days. Just basic communication and effort to get things going is seen as a frantic or desperate ordeal. It really shines a light on how ill-prepared so many of you are to make anything for yourself.

>>715372741
I've played a shadow priest all my life and I had multiple times where I had cool as fuck raid-saving moments. From vanilla wow aggro-ping-ponging an enemy with fade, to create enough time before it kills the last few DPS, to Lich king tanking actual bosses through insanely high armor ratings & disperson use until a tank got back up or the boss died, to using leap of faith to grip someone back onto the battlefield when they couldn't get to the save spot on death wings back, or multiple fights in Legion, where surrender to madness was added, and a shadow priest would suddenly spike to the fucking top of the DPS meter, making it a race to kill the boss before madness kills us. So many hype fucking moments, with other raiders all concentrating, or cheering you on. I'm sorry you never had any moments like this.

Wrathnilla repack by Ed Kay will become the gold standard solo wow project. No bots, the whole classic game rebalanced, dungeons and raids rebalanced by hand. PvP NPCs removed. Look into it. Legit looking like the best version of wow to date.

>>715373649
>deliberately continuing to subject myself to the legions of sweaty tryhards in the hopes of filtering out the minority of chilled players instead of just going where the chilled people were the majority and the tryhards were laughed at

LMAO, fuck off cunt.

>>715374024
>deliberately continuing to subject myself to the legions of sweaty tryhards in the hopes of filtering out the minority of chilled players
Hey, shouldn't be hard to do at all. I mean, with the absolute volume with which you're bitching and moaning and whining, it'd be incredibly easy to pick you "chilled" players out of the crowd.

>>715374403
(You)

>>715374504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ-dq2Y4Z-Y

>>715343682
Irony is dead and racists fucking killed it. Kill yourself.

>>715341452 (OP)
how many bots can the server handle at one time?
does the game still feel populated or mostly empty?
can you form a static group with bots that will join you whenever you log in or do you have to manually hunt down other bots and invite them?

So
Is single player wow a good starting point for a casual? I think I'll be a restoration shaman because nature magic that ISN'T animal shape shifting is so rare in fantasy settings.

>>715374602
it spawns them in a radius around you so yeah it feels populated all the time. You can set just how dense you want the population to be

>>715341452 (OP)
I really dont give a fuck anon

>>715374640
don't play resto
healing is boring as dicks

>>715374976
i personally love healing in mmos. Tanking, on the other hand... Tanking should be great because I love taking control of the group and the pace of the run, but I always find it pretty boring and difficult. Healing I find relaxing and that it comes naturally to me. Tanking I'm always stressed watching my healers' rotations and making sure that they're optimizing their mana regeneration.

Whenever I was doing anything serious in WoW most of the communication was between healers and tanks, with tanks calling out mitigation so that healers could chill and regen, and healers giving tanks update on just how close to empty they are.. And healers communicating with each other for that damage mitigation too. DPS rarely spoke because they never really had anything tactical to contribute

>>715373840
Removing healing sounds strange. But I guess I'll keep an eye out for it.

>feeling the wow itch bad
>epoch is still two weeks away
shit i might actually look into this, could be a fun way to kill some time

>>715375454
was this lust-provoking image necessary though?

>>715373664
who goes on anonymous image boards just to lie about shit that never happened to try to win an argument no one will remember after the threads 404s lmao

Couldn't modern WoW train AI on actual player runs to give players the option of using companions in more difficult content? I don't want to play with the current year WoW tryhards but I also tank and heal so strict solo isn't an option either. They already have follower dungeons and warbands, this seems like tacit acceptance of the solo chad.

>>715374602
>how many bots can the server handle at one time?
depends on your hardware

>>715376415
NTA but I've had similar experiences over the years. It's hard to believe anyone who has played with a guild and done some raiding wouldn't have had the same experiences. I still think about this Thorim 25m kill for example.

>>715373840
tying everything to a pet/babysitting a pet seems retarded.

>>715376568
>>715374602
I got a 5800x3d and so far everything is good with 5000 (split half between ally/horde) bots on the server.

>>715370468
>AI will only improve
AI will never be smarter than its creators
And there are a lot of jeet fingers sticking their fingers into that pie

>>715376552
the future of wow and mmos in general is copying ffxi/ffxiv trust system

>>715346287
did you just exit a coma or something? pride is about gay niggers now

>>715377343
I never played FFXIV, what is trust system?

>>715377698
You can run dungeons with a team of NPCs

>>715373840
>The entire patch history of this project is available for you to read in the text files included in the initial client patch zip, but I’ve left all content-related changes vague. If you want that Ashbringer and to purify it but can’t be assed looking, you’ll have to ask someone who knows the questline. And I’m not telling. There was a lot of not knowing how things worked back when WoW released, and I want to recreate some of that. It was fun.
Holy based, I'm trying this one out

>>715376072
sorry anon

>"single player" world of warcraft launches
>thousands of AI bots, designed to incorporate the player into scenarios and interactions inhabit the online world
>they level up, they talk to each other, they gank each other, they level up with each other
>they pay special attention to the player, inviting them to groups and spamming trade chat LFM, whispering you and cutting you some slack if you're undergeared.
>its a grand adventure
>AI bots form guilds, invite you to them, carry you through molten core and give you gear despite how shit you are at the game
>join their discord
>AI voices with AI generated personalities greet you, and instantly take a liking to you
>your "guild" progresses through all content, they are witty and fun to play with
>each has their own personality and dynamic

I mean where does this end? the possibilities are nearly endless and the real kicker is none of it is real. it never was.

>>715377698
AI party members fill the roles for you and solve the mechanics by standing where you need to be. Also every dungeon that got changed for Trusts got de-souled so that the AI can run it.

>>715377902
sounds just like real life if real life was a simulation

>>715377698
NPCs from the story you can form a party with to do content solo. particularly important because the retards who designed the game made EVERY SINGLE dungeon and boss fight MANDATORY to progress, so if you wanted to level as a DPS class you got to enjoy sitting in extremely long queue times first. and there was no "i've been sitting in a queue for 30 minutes and would like to skip this dungeon and progress the game please" option either.

>>715377902

>>715374976
Healing is boring? Playing DPS means you can just half ass spam your rotation without much focus. Healing requires being focused, paying attention and actually being active. I wouldn't say it's boring at all.

>>715377958
real life is a simulation. a simulation within a simulation.
only those who believe Christ is the one true master of mankind are actual players. everyone else is an NPC

>>715343762
Of course this shit doesn't work. These instructions are retarded
>https://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-emulator-servers/wow-emu-general-releases/1040387-azerothcore-wotlk-repack-playerbots-individual-progression-32-other-modules.html
Fuck these retards they should have no business distributing mods or anything else whatsoever.

>>715378179
Based fellow israel worshipper

>>715343762
>>715378191
Lmao, doesn't work for me either. I keep getting
"Failed to open the sql update "source/azerothCore/data/sql/custom/db_characters/base/npc_talent_template_data_1_80_pvp_s6.sql" for reading! Stopping the server to keep the database integrity, try to identify and solve the issue or disable the database updater."

>>715378191
it has a really sharp learning curve if you've never done any of this before. it's the big reason i haven't set a second server up after my old one got zapped in a hard drive failure.

Do we know when the next big update for Ascension's area 52 is, and when their original classes server is actually out

>>715343762
this is just the beginning
>VR/AR adventure game
>full deep dive immersion
>literally everything is AI generated and controlled
>party members have individual personalities and react dynamically to every action you take
>you form bonds with party members as you progress through the game.
>by the end of the game you feel like you know these characters
>you tell them you must now return back to your world and you hope they find happiness after all is said and done
>heartbreaking goodbyes and bookends abound. you say your final goodbyes to the characters as you remove the headset/brain computer interface and shut off the game

AI is mostly text and video/audio. despite how the normies feel about AIslop the potential for truly groundbreaking immersive vidya is completely off the chart

>>715377902
>fake world, fake money
>fake friendships with people you'll never meet
>now it's just all fake

It's just a tiny step away from what was already there.
Wouldn't you rather have a custom experience with interesting fake people than trying to talk to the Portuguese-speaking assholes that inhabit MMOs today?

My bots are going to have the best Chuck Norris memes and link to the best incest doujins (also AI created).

Can I play SPP with friends?

>>715378724
well that's the big question isn't it? would you rather live a comfortable lie or an uncomfortable truth? people have become so radicalized now. politics infest nearly every single facet of life, including "religion" (the truth) and family life.

how many will choose to live a lie? My guess is the majority would. video games like SOMA explore this philosophical question

>>715341452 (OP)
That's impossible to do and you can eat my entire ass

>>715378978
Yes, I don't remember the exact process but I tried with 2 pcs and it worked, iirc I used my host's IP as realmlist, there are guides out there.

>>715378460
>>715378484
It shouldn't have ANY learning curve when it's a repack.
You need to run THREE things
>sql server
>auth server
>and world server
It's not that difficult unless you are compiling everything from the scratch but this is why this repack exists in the first place.
WorldServer complains about
>Failed to find map files for starting areas
Even though I have extracted 'AC Data v16 enUS' to azerothcore/data (even this step wasn't mentioned in the repack installation notes).
What I mean here is that the guy who made the repack did not mention every step.

>>715378978
yeah you can set it up in such a way that other people can connect to you by your local IP but they can only play when you have the server up, so if your PC is off or you lose internet or whatever they're boned

Do NPC bots buy and sell items on the auction house? I'm curious if there is an economy.

>>715379078
oh yeah i'm 8484 i didn't realize it was a repack he was talking about, when i did it i did it all from scratch because i was trying to learn about all the ins and outs so i could have more control over my experience.

>>715379171
there are modules for that yes but as far as i know there isn't a server wide economy tracking the amount of gold all bots have on hand or anything, it's just a simulation so you can still use the AH

>>715379265
I glanced over the original documentation and that's pretty heavy.
I think my particular issue is related to the data files. I downloaded them from the github link instead of Mega link that guy provided. They are different sizes.
I'm going to tinker a bit and see if I can get the world server running but if not then I'm going to delete everything. I didn't expect too much from this anyway.

>>715379078
Don't know what to tell you anon.
>unzip repack
>unzip update into repack and replac efile
>put data folder into repack
>run start server.bet
(doesn't say to press 1 but I assume it fucking wants us to press 1 because it's just a press 1 to continue or 0 to exit screen)
>now have 3 terminal windows open
>None of which allow me to type the command necessary to create an account
Shit's fucked, don't know what's wrong.

>>715379456
The .bat script launches its own window which is not needed.
You can manually launch everything from inside the azerothcore directory
>MySQL.bat (first one)
>authserver.exe (second)
>and finally worldserver.exe
But I suspect that worldserver console window will come up and then close because it's complaining about missing map files.
You are supposed to type in the commands to the worldserver console...
This is what I think.

bros its stuck like this, what do

>>715379629
Well, I went exactly by the install instructions of the repack site, and that's what I get. If I try to launch them manually, I get to the last one which complaints: "Failed to open the sql update "source/azerothCore/modules/mod-individual-progression/data/sql/world/base/optional_small_group_adjustments.sql" for reading!
Stopping the server to keep the database integrity, try to identify and solve the issue or disable the database updater." and closes itself, so I'm at a loss on how to fix this.

so what are the best repacks that are out and work now?

>>715378724
>>715379006
Considering the amount of meltdowns I've seen from various individuals and groups I've been associated with, especially in the last 5 years, I would find it very hard to not choose the lie at this point.
I'm just tired man.

>>715379962
I'm going to test some things and if I find out something I'll write a concise setup post with links and proper order of execution.
Please don't hold your breath though!

>>715379962
unironically ask chat gpt. it basically searches most of the known web for you and compiles the troubleshooting steps so you don't have to scroll through 32 reddit posts with no response and "edit: fixed it!" and "pm'd you the fix ;)" forum posts.

>>715341452 (OP)
>playing an MMO
>alone
That sounds awful. I'll play Epoch when I want to play WoW, and I'll enjoy the social aspect because it's half the reason to play an MMO.

>>715368971
turtle is an older server on a real vanilla client but theyre currently working on a fully custom UE5 client to make development easier and let players have better mods/addons. depending on if you like UE5 or not will color your opinion on this. 90% of the playerbase are high elf paladins

epoch is a F R E S H server that uses wotlk client with tbc-ish talents and spells. some classes get big major changes while others might get absolutely fucking nothing. 90% of the playerbase will be undead paladins

Holy shit im playing it on my own repack right now!

Took me some time to make it work bc im a complete amateur at stuff like this though i'm having a blast. Also i'm playing with 2 other friends and we are having so much fun. No more latino mutts, imbreed slavs or pakis polluting my WoW. Its surreal, bro.

>>715342118

i already play erenthor, so i do

>>715379962
Make sure Windows isn't blocking files. When you download repacks like this it can flag random shit and other programs can't execute it.

t. Windows tried to block legit Xbox emulator shit for me

To get the Worldserver functional:

1) AC Data v16 enUS
https://mega.nz/file/VEJyTLYR#2yi_hqBQ2qJTDuXUUWFMG-cMLVlxQjEDha39v0RDOjk

2) Server With Individual Progression
https://mega.nz/file/hA4xTK5b#SAnNcOERC-qp1DRv5day1IElEoTYh1-wict2G5kxhE8

3) Update (seems like this one broke the server
https://mega.nz/file/5QgjjLQQ#52dDm4EpU3u6Z99-3B9VDtJ_3_q32Snzh4NRupt_E3c

- Unpack AC Data v16 enUS - should result with 'data' directory only.
- Unpack 2) Server With Individual Progression, rename it to Azerothcore (for simplicity)

- Move 'data' into Azerothcore root (i.e. Azerothcore/data)

DO NOT INSTALL THE UPDATE!

Run

MySQL.bat
authserver.exe
worldserver.exe

Then modify your realmlist.wtf in your client's WTF directory -
SET realmList "127.0.0.1"
and
Edit (or create) realmlist.wtf and add
set realmlist 127.0.0.1

>>715379669
Got vcr installed?

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/visual-c-redistributable-runtime-package-all-in-one/

>>715378978
Yes, with a Hamachi instance. Just set both your server and client ports to it.

>>715380986
Just let the world server run its thing and after a while, you can press enter and it displays the prompt in which you can create the account

>account create $AccountName $Password
>eg
>account create Test test
It should reply with 'Account created: Test'

Then see if your client can connect to the server.

>>715341452 (OP)
so you are saying that guild wars 1 was right all along over 20 years ago by letting you use heroes with player abilities to go through content

>>715380986
>SET realmList "127.0.0.1"
Don't forget to set the patchlist to you local.

>>715346136

>>715380134
>>715380239


>>715380970
Yeah, I actually just figured this out on my own, windows blocked some files from accessing the network, I didn't think that would have mattered since it's all local and no actual network is involved, but I guess that fucked it. I'm in now, so now I just have to learn to configure the server correctly, disable the cheat-tools in the re-pack.

Also: people seem to recommend being GM, is there any reason for that?

>>715378978
>>715381092
>Yes, with a Hamachi instance.
Thats literally how im playing it with my friends. It's working. Get you realmlist and patchlist right too.

>>715381350
I'm a retard the realmlist.wtf is inside the client's data/en_US/ directory
Anyway seems like it's working now.

>>715381350
Glad you got it working anon. I fucking hate Windows btw. Linux is so much better and I would use it nonstop if only adobe was supported.

>>715381350
>Also: people seem to recommend being GM, is there any reason for that?
what i saw recommended against being a GM and instead setting up a separate GM account. something to do with the way scripts interact with normal accounts vs GM accounts.

>>715381350
>Also: people seem to recommend being GM, is there any reason for that?

Yep. Most servers fixes their stuff. Some cores arent 100% scripted so you need some permissions to fix stuff yourself in real time like opening doors in instances like ".open" for example. Also you gm stats bc bots can be retarded sometimes.

>>715381350
>>715381548
Ye make a regular account if you want to play. Only make a GM account if you want to debug or hack around.

>>715341452 (OP)
Personally? I was thinking of someone what put his/her efforts on re-creating the story of WoW, so the main questline, but in the WC3. So you play the WoW story in Warcraft 3, in order to recreate the feeling of play Warcraft 3, but with the new story. It's a huge work, but maybe it could work well.

>>715381548
>something to do with the way scripts interact with normal accounts vs GM accounts.
Really? Can't you demote your GM status the same way you made yourself GM?

>>715381509
>>715381548
One last question: When I try to put WoW in window mode (so that I can then put it in borderless window) it just gives me a black screen, at any resolution set. Any Idea what that's about ? 3.3.5a?

Hermann Goering, barbarian.

>>715381350
>>715381482
>>715381509
>>715381548
Oh actually, not last question:
1 When I looked into instaling the SPP wow, I saw that you get / need an addon for the bots. I assume the same addon is somewhere in this repack as it also has bots. Any Idea where I find the necessary addons in the repack? It's not mentioned in install instructions on the repack post.
2: I installed Individual progression but I am able to create a death knight, shouldn't I be unable to do so?
3: where do I change my real name, just for shits 'n giggles?

>>715381764
the wow client is so old that dx9 shit might not work properly on modern gpus. you may have better luck wrapping it in dxvk to convert it to vulkan. it has better support for borderless.

>>715381764
What client are you using? Did you installed the HD pack? It still got a lot of problems. Dont use chromiecraft client, its broken, get it from warmane.

>>715341452 (OP)
To me it sounds a fun idea in theory but only if you like leveling. It could be a very useful tool for practicing raids and parses though.

>>715382318
I ended up finding a workaround by putting the windowed setting directly in the config file.
>>715382359
Fuck, I didn't want to use a HD pack since I'm fine with the original textures, so I went with chromiecraft, as it's the other listed option. Guess I'm DL'ing warmane. I wonder if that's the reason my login screen seemed laggy as shit.

so is this WoW Legion one in the SPP any good? is it meant to be like insta110 for Legion content only or can you start at 1 and all the other content is there and scripted and everything? it looks appealing but i'm trying to find repacks because i did my own server from scratch once and it was a headache.

>>715382279
https://github.com/liyunfan1223/mod-playerbots?tab=readme-ov-file#addons
idk as i dont use that
with chat commands or modifying the database

>>715341452 (OP)
>zero toxicity, bots only say what they're scripted to
But that's half the fun of the game
>no issues running dungeons / raids / PvP, worst case, just spawn more bots to fill the group
This is pretty much the same as current day retail
>bots actually live in the world: they level up, do quests, kill mobs, sell loot in trade chat / auction house
For what purpose? Who cares
>no spawnkilling (unless two bot camps are too close and keep slaughtering each other; looking at you, Alterac)
Baby shit for manbabies
>you’re never alone, you can control how many bots are active at once
Except you are always alone with this shit
>you can assign roles to bots (like "this one's the tank, that one heals", etc.)
The fact that you have to advertise this as a feature doesn't inspire much confidence in the project (it should be self explanatory that bots can be made to do this to begin with)
Looks like a dumb project for sensitive sissy retards.

>>715382903
Ah, so for the repack I don't actually need any addons? Like, none of the the stuff in the repack is addon-based?

Okay the update works too, it was just a matter of correct installation order. Last spam, sorry.
--

DOWNLOADS

1) AC Data v16 enUS
https://mega.nz/file/VEJyTLYR#2yi_hqBQ2qJTDuXUUWFMG-cMLVlxQjEDha39v0RDOjk
2) Server With Individual Progression
https://mega.nz/file/hA4xTK5b#SAnNcOERC-qp1DRv5day1IElEoTYh1-wict2G5kxhE8
3) Update
https://mega.nz/file/5QgjjLQQ#52dDm4EpU3u6Z99-3B9VDtJ_3_q32Snzh4NRupt_E3c


BASE INSTALLATION

- Unpack AC Data v16 enUS - should result with 'data' directory only.
- Unpack 2) Server With Individual Progression, rename it to Azerothcore (for simplicity)
- Move 'data' into Azerothcore root (i.e. Azerothcore/data)

Do not install the update yet!

Run:
MySQL.bat
authserver.exe
worldserver.exe

Let it do its thing and install updates and whatnot. Once the text stops scrolling, select the MySQL windows and press control+C to shut it down. If you just close the window directly you can corrupt the database. Then close authserver and worldserver windows.


UPDATE INSTALLATION

Now unpack 3) Azerothcore Update Individual Progression 2025-06-22 and move the files in Azerothcore directory, overwriting everything.

Launch mySQL, authserver and worldserver again. Everything should run correctly.
It was just a matter of correct installation order in the first place and the original instructions are not that clear.


ACCOUNT CREATION

Let the world server do its thing and once the text stops scrolling you can press enter and create your account
run this command in the worldserver window:
account create $AccountName $Password
eg.
account create Test test


CLIENT CONFIG FILES

Then modify your realmlist.wtf in your client's data/en_US directory -
set realmlist 127.0.0.1
And add SET realmList "127.0.0.1" to your client's WTF/Config.wtf

Then launch WoW.exe

>>715368971
They're both different than wow-classic. I haven't tried Epoch but Turtle's not too bad. Kind of laggy in pvp since we're not close to the server. The new sections of dungeons and leveling areas have been really nice. I liked Gilneas and that new goblin stonetalon area. I actually skipped most of STV quests in favor of the newer zones for a change of pace. Some of the talent changes seem a bit questionable but I haven't really noticed their impact. There's some nice little stuff too like a level 10/14 quest that rewards some trinkets early on, and jewelcrafting fills a lot of ring slot roles early game when they're scarce.

>>715382359
What's wrong with chromiecraft? I thought the clients were just actual WoW from that time, what did they change / break vs warmane?

>>715373840
Yeah I tried his previous repack before he shifted to the new core and it was pretty good, looking forward to this, though I'm not sure if I'll like the pet tied to raid mechanics but we'll see once I get there.
Hope he'll consider TBC and Wotlk in the future though that might be too much work.

>>715348831
>Erenshor
can you say nigger in the game chat?

>>715381764
This is a common problem on modern hardware with og 3.3.5 client and earlier, I fixed it twice over the years, iirc you just change a couple of parameters in your wowclient via notepad but I don't remember exactly what, just google it, it's a problem everyone has.

I want this but a hardcore server with PvP enabled.
This is the future of gaming IMO, imagine every NPC actually existing in the world, shop vendors need to buy from gatherers to sell to crafters to sell to adventures, an entire simulated economy that changes in real time.
You and the lads can play and not have to rely on some random who ninja's loot and dips, you can just have an AI fill the slot, hell if you really wanted to you could give the AI personality directives so maybe some of them ARE ninja looters.

>>715383976
you can say anything you want, it's single player

How do the bots work? If you run the server for a long while, won't they all crowd the high level areas?

>>715384889
you can set them to only level up to within a certain bracket. also unless you're playing with other people there's not really a reason to keep the server up 24/7.

>>715341452 (OP)
Sally Whitemane makes me cuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUH-HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

>>715341830
Discord isn't the problem, the internet as a whole changed due to the presence of social media, eliminating the need (and often desire) for a "third space"; this is why most games are far less social.
If you really want to blame a single thing, blame twitter and normalfags getting access to the internet via smartphones.

>>715344649
>>715368965
Claiming someone can't talk to people won't magically make entire games have a focus on being social and comfy again.
Anyone saying that nothing has changed, outside of hyperspecific small private server communities where people are going out of their way to replicate those older environments, has no idea what they're talking about.

>>715341452 (OP)
>Dogshit gameplay of an MMO but without even the dynamics and shitposting of tons of other players
What the hell is the point except to sate your overwhelming childhood nostalgia with a crude, soulless, facsimile?

>>715370468
It is humorous to me how many online games already have convincing AI "pvp content." Mobile is the biggest provider. It was a few years ago that I realized some of the games I played with other players or real-time pvp, with opponents that could play aggressive then defensive, do convincing wiggle movements and baiting, were actually 100% bots. I killed my internet mid-game and watched them all keep playing exactly the same (Mob Control, Cube Arena, etc.). Later, I noticed even some PC games are like that.

My bother got into Backpack Battles on steam, which describes itself as
>A PvP inventory management auto battler!
which matches you against other players in real-time and you battle it out. He didn't believe it was just bots and the "waiting for match..." screen was just a scripted cutscene to better sell the idea it's real players. So I just pulled the ethernet, booted the game, and showed him how the "Ranked Game" content, matching, etc. still took place without any internet connection.

>>715341452 (OP)
Whats the ERP scene like?

>>715341452 (OP)
This sounds depressing.

So, on a single player server with bots, how do you make gold to afford shit? Is there a limit to what the bots will buy in the auction house? Do you just grind dungeon drops and vendor them? What's the play outside of just using cheats?

>>715341452 (OP)
Lmao this shit is just sad. How much of an awkward social reject do you have to be to want this shit

>>715386287
same as retail? bots can buy your shit from AH too if you tell em too. you can script the ai in lots of ways. either the scale tips to they dont buy shit or they buy so much shit its like cheating.

>>715385975
>So I just pulled the ethernet
Did you make sure wifi was disabled too and it didn't just fallback to it? Hell, looking at it, the storepage doesn't even say real-time or that it's direct PvP, it actually says to take your time because there's no timers and just that you're playing against real builds from other players. Which makes sense and is way easier to implement than functional AI for an autobattler where you, presumably, aren't really making decisions during a fight anyway.

>>715386729
you're just too dumb to make it work.

>>715371334
I know exactly what you mean. The environmental and layout design. Vanilla dungeons are build and feel like natural extensions of their location (mostly), complex layouts and no cut corners. tbc and on, are often few rectangular rooms connected with twenty feet hallway with occasional 90 degree bends (yeah yeah, go away dire maul)

>>715371992
>>people want raidlogs, gear checks, 3 employer references, blood sample, semen sample to be invited for content designed to be cleared by 40 people on toasters with dialup internet who didnt know what they were doing
if private servers are rid of this, I might give them a shot

>>715341452 (OP)
they bots' random chatter can be pretty kino sometimes

>>715386945
>Did you make sure wifi was disabled too and it didn't just fallback to it?
Yeah, globe icon and steam's "Switch to offline mode." The way I noticed it initially for that game is that it never once had any network activity in Task Manager. Booting the game, entering ranked matches, checking the leaderboard, it never used any network activity to check other player trophies, builds, etc.. It's all stored, updated, and pulled from locally.

>>715377902
and the moment you stop playing is like you've murdered all those voices
how could you?!?

>>715341452 (OP)
a lot of work just so you dont have to admit you have crippling social anxiety

>>715385771
>but without even the dynamics and shitposting of tons of other players
because you can't even get that in MMOs anymore with trannies who report everything that hurts their fee-fees and everyone ignoring ingame chat to use discord anyway

>>715387481
it's more because all of the classic players are younger than I am

>>715387481
It literally takes 5 mins to setup on SteamOS and SteamOS already takes less than 5 mins to install on a SSD.

>>715387352
Vibrant and alive bros keep winning

>>715341452 (OP)
nigga if I wanted to play with bots I would just play retail

>>715341452 (OP)
Im interested but its probably way too much effort
I used to play wow on a free private server but it had like 5x exp gain and you progressed really quickly through everything, that was already basically singleplayer owo

>>715386094
i run a Silly Tavern instance with a GM sort of chatbot that facilitates roleplay

>>715355459
thanks for saving me the time.

I'll wait until the bots are using real ai

>>715387870
But then you gotta pay blizzard

>>715387870
the game has always had bots

>>715387719
>>715387850
you should consider therapy. you can't live like this

>>715387352
How's the Barrens chat looking?

>>715387945
That anon is using outdated spp when everyone is using the modern one

>>715385771
Make the perfect lvl 19 rogue twink you could never afford to make and destroy everything in wsg. Going around killing unkillable npcs with .die was cathartic for me.

>>715387990
yeah but average interaction with actual human being nowadays feels like talking to a bot anyways

>>715388000
Why do you care about strangers so much? You a woman?

>>715387942
interesting, elaborate

>>715388000
Do you also tell this to Morrowind players on /v/ when they boot up their open source implementation?

>>715388215
check /aicg/ on /g/ or /vg/. it's just using AI to roleplay. Silly Tavern uses character cards with preset backgrounds, so you just make a GM card that has information about the Warcraft setting.

>>715387425
I'd assume it just downloads data right away so people can play at their leisure or while on the go. Which maybe raises a potential concern for cheating but wouldn't really be any different than if it was real-time if it plays like how I assume it does. Like I said, it'd genuinely just be much easier for them to copy builds from real players than to actually make a decent bot that I'd be surprised if they bothered with the latter.

So do the bots persist and level or are they random every time you fire it up?

>>715383048
>>715385771
Do that in ((current game)) and see how fast it will take to have your money stolen

>>715388462
They will persist and level up to 60 in your vicinity and eventually get recycled in an endless loop of leveling I believe

>>715388462
Bots are loaded in your vincinity. You can customize the radius and amount. If you have a 9800x3d you can go wild if you have a toaster obviously you can't.

>>715388369
In my experience, it's much easier to draft a generative system for nearly infinite builds (a one day job) than it is to set up and maintain an active server connects to players to read from and distribute that list. Especially since the former adapts to new items and updates, while the latter list would have to be constantly replaced with updates.

>>715388462
You are loading up a server. For all purposes the bots are auto until you shut off the server.

>>715388308
neat, thanks

>>715388369
>I'd assume it just downloads data right away so people can play at their leisure or while on the go.
And that's kind of my point. Except go a step further and realize that the list is part of the game files you download, not even downloaded by the game on first boot. That said, out of curiosity, I just redownloaded it and tried to play without internet again, and this time it says unable to connect to server and wouldn't play ranked matches. So regardless of how it was last year, it does currently rely on a server. I also see it has a release date of last month, so I assume the switch came with the "full release."

>>715389024
>it's much easier to draft a generative system for nearly infinite builds
You can make infinite random builds but how about builds an actual player might choose that scale in difficulty without quickly becoming noticeably repetitive? And would the potential ease of creating that even be remotely worth getting caught falsely advertising your game as PvP versus just setting up steamworks to grab a few megabytes of data from players?

>>715341452 (OP)
>Its on an expansion from eons Ago that you already played to beyond death
Zoomer seasonings on an old game do not count. Wheres the ww client?

>>715389785
>how about builds an actual player might choose that scale in difficulty without quickly becoming noticeably repetitive?
In each set, you can only pick from a limited pool of items and try to build synergies over time. Even you the human man person ends up with a mismatch of vague ideas that don't always (or even often) synergize with your class special, and never did any of my opponents when I played them. But it is very easy, both as a player and via an ai system, to successfully cram a few synergies together amidst filler trash.

But from having scripted AI before, making ai players in that game can easily be done by a flat out draft of current progress, or through a quick simulation of turns with pool-limited items and tries to put something together on the fly through weights and priorities (weights increased on synergy and class bonus). Both ways are easy to script, and the latter more convincing.

where to get the WoTLK client?
can I skip installing classing and BC ?

>>715390240
You can use warmane or chromie.
If you play wrath it means classic and bc are included

So it's just retail except I have bots being shit instead of people. gotcha. no thanks.

>>715390839
>So it's just retail
The difference is it's free.

>>715390897
So is retail

>>715391009
It requires paid subscription. Trial accounts are not the same.

>>715391147
>It requires paid subscription
only if you are shit at the game and can't token.

>>715391372
400k gold on Europe
Bruh

Fuck me anon, I spend the last few hours getting a 3.3.5a server to run, configured it all how I like it, and now my fucking addons that I specifically got from a 3.3.5 website aren't loading. Well some of them. Neither Grid2 nor Bartender works. I wannt to fucking neck myself.

>>715391372
You are fucking retarded

>>715391483
Yeh I had the same issue. Either they're made for a different version and falsely submitted as 3.3.5a addons, or they relied on some API/server which is no longer accessible.

>>715391483
Just stick mostly to Unit Frame add-ons and things that only deal with local. Xperl works for me.

>>715341452 (OP)
wow gameplay sucks though, the presence of other people are the only reason anyone played that game

>>715391883
Wow gameplay is awesome now because ping isn't a factor. 0ms

>>715391457
>>715391581
So you're shit at the game? No wonder you have to play solo..lol

>>715392045
>>715391581

>>715392069
>filtered by WoW
oof

>>715392045
Yeah bro let me just revive my 15 years old account and grind all the way to endgame then farm 400k gold just so i can afford 30 days of playtime which are gone in a snap
>>715392110

>>715392110
You are retarded at context resolution. Explain my factor or you lost.

>>715389312
Looks better than retail:/

>>715349675
>this was true even back in the days of TBC and WotLK. At most you'd just chat with your actual irl friends.
why do you dumb fucks pretend your experience was the universal one

>>715391695
>>715391750
Man, I'm rapidly losing interest in this. This started as an exciting fun Idea, and now hours later I have to fucking comb the internet for frames that work.

Guild Wars did this with heroes and it's arguably more fun than with people. In many cases, like with Mesmer interrupts, they're better than humans. Single player WoW Classic can work because it's not like any class have complicated rotations.

>>715392451
welcome to wow single player servers lol

i wanted to play this legion pack but it doesn't include the actual game client so i've had to scour the internet for it

>Be so bad at a casual game like WoW that you have to play it solo

>>715392451
I mean, the game is perfectly playable without mods. At worst all you need is the bag interface mod and that map/minimap mod which I always forget the name of.

>>715371978
I can. Blackrock Depths feels like a place that is lived-in within the setting, featuring areas that are not strictly pertinent to you experiencing the dungeon or your progress within it. It has forks and dead ends and paths that don't lead anywhere in particular except to a place that would probably be used by a bunch of guards to chill after a patrol, it has the trappings of a civilization that populates it and depends on slave labor for its industry and clearly showcases it. Magister's Terrace is a clear path taking you from block A to block B, to block C, each block designed to showcase a setpiece with pawns in your path to destroy and with a boss at the end to round it off before you move to a different setpiece. It doesn't feel like a place that was recently occupied by Kael's forces where they are holed up for their last stand.

>>715341452 (OP)
Do the bots do autistic shit like camp important materials/nodes/mobs in cross faction gangs 24/7 to artificially inflate AH prices so that people buy gold from them like real WoW players do?

I'd genuinely be down to try vanilla without the incredibly soulless lifeless golems that inhabit the endgame playerbase good fucking CHRIST.

>>715392783
Playable =/= optimal. If you play a dot class, having highly accurate enemy debuff timers for instance is a huge part of your DPS, Everyone knows you can technically get through the full game without any addons at all, but the question is what kind of experience is it? These addons exist for a reason.

>>715393081
LMAO what do you think? Bots are dumb, barely functioning pets, and they frequently break your illusion, by repeating dumb shit in chat, and taking the exact same path as 10 other bots.

A single player MMORPG might be peak sad.

>>715341452 (OP)
so hows wpvp work
do bots do wpvp
do bots raid citys?
do bots react to wpvp?

>>715393396
Just an rpg. Nothing to be sad about.

>>715393127
>what kind of experience is it?
A good, intended experience.

Question: Why does worldserver.exe seem to stay active? Even when the task manager shows it as Suspended (in the details list). I noticed this because when I tried to delete the server folders, it stopped me, saying some .dll was in use by worldserver.exe, and it stayed in use until I force ended every suspended worldserver.exe

>>715393726
>The intended experience is not to use addons
>in a game where developers literally put in an addon function
based retard.

>>715372693
>>715373189
I agree on both fronts and it’s a part of why I love and hate mmos now, and probably won’t go back to wow and still haven’t.

>>715373840
I’m gonna miss when these types of autists are gone, but I’m grateful I’m in the age bracket where some random autist doing this as a pet project is something I can experience and appreciate.

>>715386729
It’s perfect for an autist like me who wants to see every single piece of content. Even on twow I can’t get people to run bfd, or gnomer, or complete all the quests because someone dcs or has to go. So this way I can actually see the whole game without needing to skip or spend a week finding someone to do some random ass quest they probably don’t care about.

>>715393776
Zombie process. This is server software intended to be run on Linux or headless environment, not Windows.

>>715396721
It was just weird to me that it was COMPLETELY out of the "Processes" list, showing as "Suspended" in the Details list, and still blocked files from being deleted, until manually ending an already Suspended process. Gotta be honest, that's not something that I have encountered before.

>>715397257
Windows suspends apps that are idle or minimized. There's nothing weird about it. You can't delete your browser shader cache while your browser is open because its in use.

I'm more interested if it turned into a WoW simulator instead. So I just watch the bots progress and interacting each other while I'm being a God watching them from free roaming camera!

game keeps crashing when i try to invite a bot to my party. everything else seems to work fine, not sure why its shitting itself

>>715341452 (OP)
>zero toxicity
What's the point then?

>>715378698
Nobody plays ascension anymore, huh

>>715399138
you can do that. just be a gm account floating above.

>>715395778
They are never going away. Their numbers only keep growing

>>715399157
Even the bots don't want to join your party, damn.

>>715399661
feels bad man :(

>>715373840
now this is looking interesting

>>715341452 (OP)

>2025
>WoW

For fuck's sake just let it die already.

>>715341452 (OP)
is there one with both bots and players? like a regular private server but some are bots

LLM's don't have bigh enough context sizes to handle it. At first it will seem amazing like magic but then you'll start to see them forgetting shit etc

>>715401320
Yeah, but from my experience most people don’t really interact with eachother since the type of person messing with this stuff is primarily focused on using the bots.

>>715341452 (OP)
>Basically, it’s World of Warcraft but fully solo,
So, it's World of Warcraft

has anyone tried the FFXI equivalent of this? LandSandBoat or whatever?

Play Conquest of Azeroth instead. New classes to play creating new memories

>>715399214
That’s the point, anon. No 12-year-old rogue spamming racial slurs in WSG, no raid leader screaming because someone accidentally pulled Garr. It’s peaceful-almost too peaceful. I kind of miss being told to neck myself for accidentally misclicking a heal.

god this is fucking bleak

>>715382575
>so is this WoW Legion one in the SPP any good?
Yes.
>is it meant to be like insta110 for Legion content only or can you start at 1 and all the other content is there and scripted and everything?
Everything except MoP and WoD mostly works. Remember that the Cata overhaul drastically changed systems under the hood so things can't necessarily just be carried over from Wrath. There aren't player bots in any repack from Cata onward for this reason. But for the lower level stuff I've tested through you'll occasionally run into a quest that has odd phasing, or quests offered out of order, etc. The focus is obviously on getting Legion content working, but they are still going in to fix leveling zones. Sometimes on an ad hoc basis, and sometimes whole cloth. The first update from this year almost completely fixed Northern Barrens (I say almost because I did just find a phasing issue on a quest I need to report to github). It doesn't take long to get it set up and there's a utility to check server/client settings to make it easier to find issues. Not like it costs anything to try it out.

>>715393776
>>715397257
typing ctrl+c in the windows to shut down each server should avoid issues like this

>>715345480
>>715347652
>>715365197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjn_318HIQ
here's a video of someone doing ICC 25 Heroic with bots

>>715379962
1. Extract full repack somewhere (300mb file)
2. Extract the data files (700mb file) into the repack folder, so that you have a 3gb data folder inside the same folder as the executables
3. Extract the update into the root folder and replace everything when prompted
4. run mysql.bat
5. run authserver.exe
6. run worldserver.exe and wait 1-2m until a notification sound plays
7. in worldserver window create a account:
account create AccountNameHere PasswordHere
8. set that account as GM
account set gmlevel AccountName 3 1
9. Download a HD client and change the realmlist.wtf to localhost (127.0.0.1). You can download chromiecraft client if you can't find another.
10. Run the client and login into your account
11. if the server complains about missing files is because you didn't install the update into the root directory, replacing things.
12. If it crashes without any log files immediately after starting it, install VC redist all in one.

>>715341452 (OP)
Every (dead) mmorpg needs something like this.
Like scarlet blade

Too bad the greedy fucks who host Pservers have a monopoly on the server files

>>715341452 (OP)
>There’s even an LLM (like ChatGPT) integration in progress so you’ll be able to talk to the bots naturally soon.
Brings absolutely nothing of value as it can't interact with the game.

>>715389312
so this is the amazing skill based world of warcraft pvp i have heard so much about

>>715409528
ye thats what wrath pvp looked like. when 12 million people were playing wow you thought they were smart? no they were giganormies. soccer moms were literally playing

>>715409396
one day it will

>>715409396
I just like to RP with it

>>715409638
Not an LLM it won't. It's like saying trains won't need railroads one day.

>>715343220
a literal who fucking trooncord is not the sauce you faggot zoomer

>>715409783
LLM models are literally being used as agents today

>>715409783
I disagree. It's like saying a steam engine won't be used outside trains one day. An LLM can be used as an engine. It only needs a single step between to turn a text output into a game command, then you can train an LLM to give both dialogue and commands.

>start server
>one of the bots is already dead
what the fuck is this little retard doing

>>715410104
His best

>>715410245
Look at this nigger

>>715410403
>In Combat: 1
>Dead: 1
Kino

>>715410403
Even the bots don't want to tank

>>715410060
>LLM generating contextual commands that aren't wrong 90% of the time
>in real-time
Yeah maybe in 30 years. Right after fully functioning holodeck.

it took the better part of the day to get it all up and running with addons, gonna' give 'er a go

>>715410104
>>715410403
He probably fell off a cliff

>>715410653
all you need is a optimized model running locally.

>>715411584
Oh wow is it really that simple?

>>715411825
yeah normies are using llm agents at 30b and consumer gpus can do 70b easily.

>>715411969
Well that's it then, I think you've just solved gaming.