Thread 715347218

Is this the most memorable cover art of all time?

if you love sucking cocks yeah

depends, how do you quantify memorableness?

>>715347396
Objectively it would be difficult, but it always looked like the game is very know only for its cover art outside of shmup circles

DOJ bread spotted

I think about it all the time. I think I'm going to get a poster of it.

>>715347218 (OP)
It looks cool, is the game any good?

>put Shotia on the cover
>everyone plays Exy instead
She is a side bitch in her own game.


>>715348145
You like danmaku/bullet hell shmups? If yes, that's usually considered one of the best examples.

Yes, it is a very good cover. They needed one to trick people into paying premium for a shmup.

>>715348145
It's one of the best bullet hells but it's also very difficult.

No this is

I remember because of reasons.

They even made model kits specifically reference it. It's the Type A ship.

No this is

>>715349245
Well I never saw it before.
>irem

>>715348145
the music is

>>715349607
That too. But the game does have some intense back-to-back shmupping action.
https://streamable.com/sq8i4u

>>715347218 (OP)
I printed out a poster of this to hang in my room

>>715349334
and I never saw the OPs so it balances out. If I'm honest probably the more standout SNES cover is probably the Phalanx one with the old guy and the banjo.

I love goofy looking covers whether its accurate to the actual game or not.

>>715350634
>whether its accurate to the actual game or not.
That reminds me, DOJ takes place on the moon so the sky isn't really plot-accurate.

>>715347218 (OP)
one of the greatest for sure

Yes.

/thread

>>715347218 (OP)
For those who don't get it, it's (You)r destroyed airship, the girl is your robot copilot waifu and the debris you see behind are the renmant of the last boss.

I wish PS2 emulation was good

>>715350918
That's an arcade game, it also got a modern port for console.
But that said, you can emulate the PS2 version very easily without issues, you get a decent training mode and the infamous death label that took like 7 years for anyone to complete.

>>715350918
PS2 emulation is good for this game.

>>715347218 (OP)
But WHY is it a kino cover? I don't understand why this stood out to me all these years.

>>715347218 (OP)
Shmup thread?

Thanks for reminding me about the PS2 verison.
It has a manual rank slider so you can practice impossible scenarios like highest rank stage 2. which is fucking bullshit btw

>>715347218 (OP)
Story told in its composition.
The plane is like my penis. Battered and beaten. No longer able to take flight. The young girl is my lost love from my youth. She caresses it, she even connects her very body, giving her self to my once throbbing member, but the life is gone and any love now is artificial at best. She kisses it, remembering the excitement that once was. In the desert. Barren. Devoid of life. My penis remains erect but lifeless.

>>715347218 (OP)
nah

I thought it's a cover of some kino obscure JRPG or VN but it's just a fucking schmup? I'm disappointed.

>>715352304
That or you know, its just an expression of what a woman does after sex. Cuddles next to you. Mirroring how you feel after an intense game.

Meh
https://streamable.com/yp8jxc

>>715352304
>>715352783

>>715347218 (OP)
I've seen this cover for 10+ years and just now I saw the girl. I have a really bad problem of just glancing over things that I need to fix before I develop alzheimers or something.

I don't speak jap, what's the story of these games again?

>>715347218 (OP)
No, this is

>>715347218 (OP)
no but it does look pretty good all things considered

>>715347218 (OP)
Cover art is something I miss the most about physical games.

>>715353208
Guy pilots ship aided by waifubots to kill opposing army but actually said army are his comrades because his higher ups wants to train an elite future force called DonPachi or something (the comrades know what they are in for).
It continues for like 7 years in the story

>>715353404
You are getting DDP and DOJ mixed in, the latter is about fighting Hibachi's mechanical army on the moon, the former doesn't have the dolls and yeah the plot was about getting tricked into fighting a supposedly lost fleet of your own army.

>>715353161
If you look even more closely she's actually a robot.
>>715353208
You're a dude flying a plane, kill the other planes. Oh it was just a training mission.
You're a dude flying a plane, kill the other planes. Oh they were actually friends and you were tricked into fighting them by the actual bad guys, now kill them. If you do badly the bad guys are just like good job bro, go home, and you actually do it without even realising they're bad.
You're a dude flying a plane and now you have a robot waifu, kill the other planes. Oh your robot died/got dissected but she's ok/murders you, too bad.
You're a dude flying a plane but now you're lonely again, kill the other planes+giant versions of the waifu robots from the previous game. Oh they were actually time travelers trying to stop the entire series from happening, that's weird.
You're a dude flying a plane and you have a robot waifu again, kill the other planes. Oh the last boss is another robot waifu who wants to turn humans into robots. But she's dead so whatever.

I don't know the plot for Dodonpachi 2, sorry.

Back to MAME. I did a thing.
https://streamable.com/9jrqkz
And I have white label hitboxes. Those dodges are fucking tight, what were they thinking?

>>715353865
>murders you, too bad.
imagine clearing the game and is greeted with your death
kusokino moment

>>715354470
Congrats. Bullets from the sides always fuck me up in shmups.

>>715349798
>stage on 1st loop is harder than touhou on lunatic
how do people clear the 2nd loop

>>715354506
Should have played Shotia/Leinyan.
The first just kinda dies but at least she does so in your arms and with a smile. The second gets her physical body trapped into a lab, but uploads her AI into the ship's computer, only so she can be with (You).

>>715354697
Bear in mind only like 0.01% of people even try the loop. In the same way that only a tiny minority of people play 2hu on lunatic.

>>715354697
For one they play the easier version(black label), but also the game is more about resource management with the hypers than actually going for clean dodges.

>>715352304
uhm?

>>715354470
I like how the music makes it sound scary and desperate, and the craziness of these attacks adds to it.

>>715355405
The final boss itself is just pretty creepy compared to fairly regular planes and tanks, and huge airships in the previous stages.

>>715355684
isn't the story that that's basically the reincarnation of some sort of demi-god and you're destroying the "egg"

>>715355791
Not sure what Hibachi is supposed to be exactly, but it's more of a bee-shaped superweapon than some sort of divinity.
The actual thing is actually inside that big bee, but you can't fight it until the second loop.

It's a hornet, but they call it a bee for the title pun.

>>715353613
>i-i was tricked!
skill issue

>>715352304
kino

>>715347218 (OP)
Nope

>>715353261
>OW EAR

>>715352304
>My penis remains erect but lifeless.

>>715352304
so true

>>715352304
TRVKE

>>715352304
Unironically, this fits perfectly. As the title of the game literally means "A peaceful death" or even a perfect death. Its a loss of vitality.

Male pilots with female support systems, used to perfection then discarded. Its emotional labor, sacrifice and sexual politics. The tools were once full of purpose, but are now left to mourn and remember the chance to connect. Both the male and female were used in war and discarded.

the cover really is a work of art.

>>715364525
I swear to god, some faggot youtuber is about to steal this post whole sale for a youtube essay.

>>715364525
>>715352304
SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>715347218 (OP)
>we want to be the ocarina of time killer
lmao

is ARIKA still around?

Doom
Mario 3
Godhand

>>715365716
this reminds me of some old expressionist painting but i can't really narrow it down beyond that. something about the color choice makes it really melancholy too.

>>715347218 (OP)
>Is this the most memorable cover art of all time?
No, its Doom. I dont even know the game you posted and the poster, while its good, its forgettable.

>>715366024
It's all but forgettable, and not knowing the game isn't even relevant.

>>715365398
probably electric underground.

Why was Black Label made easier, anyways?
I understand not stealing your lives before the 2nd loop, but it's hardly the only change.

>>715365874
the original is from ramses younan

>>715366140
Its unnecessary busy though. A poster should be symbolic and readable so it can give you a taste about the game content/feel. Doom does it perfectly. The OP poster looks like a frame from an anime or something. It conveys me some information, but it is still too confusing and busy with all those cables and the weirdly placed title

>>715367191
Cables are there because the robot girl is connected to the ship

>>715367191
>it is still too confusing and busy
Are you serious?
Is perfectly readable at a glance with the cables be details that you notice on closer inspection.

Shhh, Shotia is sleeping.

>>715368851
Why is she there and not in a bed?

>>715347218 (OP)
Fuck yes it is.

>>715369373
They don't really live regular human lives, DOJ dolls are assistant/companion androids turned into ship enhancements, somehow.

>>715347218 (OP)
It's the most aesthetically pleasing cover art of all time, at least.

>>715347218 (OP)
Reminds me of Future Boy Conan.

>>715347218 (OP)
It could be, if only it were in a normal art style and not this uguu~ anime trash. Absolutely embarrassing.

>>715370851
>Absolutely embarrassing.
Your post certainly is.
Unironically triggered by a girl in a gothic dress.

>>715349245
Is it Dinohsitty like velocity or Dino-City?

>>715367968
Idk, it is cluttered imo. Whats this game supposed to be though? Doom poster is pretty direct on that. You are a space marine who shoots demons. Thats it

>>715370961
Yeah it seems normal when you consume nothing but moeblobs with pink frilly dresses. You see nothing wrong because you're desensitized. Meanwhile everyone else sees it for the tonally clashing cringe that it is.

>>715371442
>Whats this game supposed to be though?
A shmup, there is some footage of it ITT.

>>715367191
>readable
there you go, it even has the price on the cover and what the game is about not really

>>715371723
Simulator?
Meaning they exist irl?

>>715371054
Its like hydrocity, doesn't take a genius to understand it

>>715371442
Bullet Hell, and a great one at that. The ship on the cover is one of the ship types and the girl is one of the companions that you can choose from. The game's story has a dark tone which this fits with.

Keep in mind, it's an arcade game, so half the advertising is just seeing the game being played in an arcade.

>>715371492
First, what the fuck are you even doing here? You might not find this website particularly appealing to you if that's such a massive issue.
And second, the clash is intentional I believe. The dolls are not supposed to be taking part in a war, they had completely different purposes.

>>715371997
>>715372024
druidmind

>>715371997
>>715372024
druidmind

>>715371997
>>715372024
Kek

>>715371997
>>715372024
Based droods

>>715352304
>My penis remains erect but lifeless.
Pressure to preform without passion. Like a man forced into war.
pottery.

I want to play more bullet hells but i swear these things make me strain my eyes too much and it's making me slowly go blind

>>715347218 (OP)
anyone have a good HQ rip of the cover that I can use as a poster to hang in my room?

>>715372465
Same. Eye strain sets in after a while, but honestly that's pretty much expected when you spend all the time tracking small dots.

>>715347218 (OP)
This game is LITERALLY impossible

>>715372839
Nah. But it do be route-heavy AND still has some RNG to throw you off.

>>715372507
Here's the highest quality art I could find for DOJ, BL, and PS2 versions. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Cribj7ZCuKolr60RIuhkBv1neK6VGMy0?usp=sharing

Also, at World of Arcades, you can find some more good quality artwork here:
https://www.world-of-arcades.net/Cave/DdpDaiOuJou/DdpDaiOuJou.htm
https://www.world-of-arcades.net/Cave/DdpDaiOuJouBl/DdpDaiOuJouBl.htm

>>715373445
>Just expect to die a lot.
kek'd

>>715347218 (OP)
I would die for the original arcade poster for this or at least a really decent repro of it

>>715373445
There is more
>So many of the changes may not be of much significance to western players, ie players who cannot clear the first loop

>>715348145
It's arguably the best game in its genre although the all or nothing chain based scoring system is a bit polarizing
I personally think Ketsui is the better game

>>715373445
>300mb sized image
holy shit

>>715373445
>no white label poster

>>715373915
Ketsui has a much better TLB that's not just a resource sink. Good luck getting to that though.
Other than that, DOJ is just cooler and more iconic overall, both in gameplay and aesthetics.

>>715374208
>Ketsui has a much better TLB that's not just a resource sink.
Yeah that's one of my favorite things about Ketsui, I hate that so many Cave TLBs are just resource checks that aren't actually intended to be genuinely cleared. Ketsui's is really special, it's hard as nails but it's still actually designed to be played instead of bombed through between two second bursts of panic dodging

>>715348406
Why is there a crocodile shadow in the background? Does Harry Potter have crocodiles? I thought they didn't even have them in the UK

>>715373445
>>So many of the changes may not be of much significance to western players, ie players who cannot clear the first loop
KEK

>>715374167
You mean the one with the purple tint? I can't find that one at a good size. But the actual original artwork should be the one with the blue sky

>>715374953
How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>715372507
Cute. Game name?

>>715375085
No, the arcade poster with the game screenshots in the corner. There's a version for the original game with the blue sky too, that link sadly just has the black label poster with the darker sky

>>715374208
The NDS spinoff is pretty cool for how heavily it features the TLB and how it actually kinda works.

>>715375164
you just gotta go to japan and clear it there

>>715375821
100% based

>>715375821
Sounds like a plan.

>>715375862
Close enough to 100%, unfortunately
>Exy
If I am going all the way to Japan for a goddamn DOJ 1-ALL, I will do it as Ikeda intended.

>>715370851
>>715371492
Broken amygdala or just brown?

>>715365874
It's surrealist

>>715371492
Princess-like girls are still VERY popular everywhere in the world.
The only people who claim they aren't are either feminist or drank the feminist kool-aid too hard.

>>715376954
>Special DVD video
What's that? Cool replays?

I fucking hate Cave games

>>715373445
Thanks.
>101 mo picture
At least, I know this is very high quality.

>>715377050
Yeah, it roughly translates to "Fully recorded 1cc replays by superhuman players"

>>715377338
It's fine, you will grow up out of the contrarian phase one day.

>>715377463
Honestly that's extremely cool to include.

>>715375437
Blind Prince and Liar Princess I believe?

>>715352304
Fire.

>>715347218 (OP)
no

>>715352304
Kafkaesque

The cover art of the (far superior) PS4 and switch port is good, but not nearly as good as OP.

>>715378683
I need this in higher resolution.

>>715378683
Ok but imagine dying in stage 2 instead of actually beating Hibachi first.

>>715350776
Daioujou means "Die with glory" too, it's not cool for the sake of cool, it's actually fitting to the title

>>715352313
Came here to post this kino

No

>>715378975
>king james editition
No thanks/not interested

>>715379197
>hates jews
>prays to a dead jew
mashalla

No.

>>715378683
I ripped this art from the Switch version to put on an arcade stick. Native resolution was still a little low so I waifu2x'd it for the print.
The files are too big to post here, catbox seems to be down right now so I need another place to host them

>>715380390
You can’t just upload like a 4k quality image or something?

>>715380427
>mental gymnastics
kwab

>>715371442
john space marine killing demon (totally didn't trace army of darkness poster) isn't cool as destroyed, bleeding cockpit protruding on the ground like a tombstone though

>>715380592
I know you could just point to the dozens and dozens of times jesus named the jew in the bible, but sometimes it's really worth it to rub reality into their greedy little noses.

>>715371997
>>715372024
Was disappointed I had to scroll so far for this. Immensely proud of you niggas.

>>715347218 (OP)
definitely not

>>715352313
>>715378935
When you see it...

>>715380390
Try dropbox or MEGA

>>715380576
Too big for 4chon

>>715381552
https://files.catbox.moe/8h9c1z.png
https://files.catbox.moe/4zn51d.png

First link is the native res rip, second link is the waifu2x upscale which is what I used for the stick art
Pic is the logo overlay

>>715382484
And here's the waifu2x of the overlay

>>715382484
>>715382535
If you're curious this is what I got out of the game, it look a little trial and error to reconstruct it but it got me a higher res cleaner copy of this key art than anything else I could find

blessed thread

>memorization: the genre
lol

>>715347218 (OP)
DingDongwhatchi?.. just more cookie-cutter, boring "shots-everywhere" junk to BORE me to TEARS, sorry. Last one of these new games I tried was Ikaraga... Sorry! but I learned to play color-matching games when I was two, don't need to do it anymore! Deleted THAT computer application from my Dell desktop after about 20 minutes.

R-Type, Gradius, Darius... those classics are a little more up MY alley. No TINY hitboxes to make the game look harder than it is, no half-naked japanimation cartoon girls, no gimmicky scoring to cover up the total lack of any real substance... just a little thing called good old-fashioned GAMEPLAY that seems to be forgotten nowadays... yep, I love all the super-duper powerups, and checkpoints.. yes recovery is HARD but not IMPOSSIBLE. You actually have to put in a little elbow grease to get your strength back! Something the little ones today could stand to learn from, if you ask me! They seem to want games where you can kill everything on the screen with one button press, right after inserting a coin! Instant gratification with no challenge for the participation-trophy generation. And personally, I usually prefer a "side-view" kind of shooter compared to a "bird's eye view" one, all those obstacles give levels a lot more personality, not such a common thing when every me-too game wants to look and play the same.

Me, I've been playing a lot of R-Type part two lately. I can only clear a couple of boards on my first man right now. I may wear out my joystick before I can manage my one quarter win! But I don't quit! What can I say, I prefer a little hard work to getting a free handout! Playing some Wings of Wor on my Sega too, and Bio-Hazard Battle. Great vintage stuff!

>>715383054
>shit reaction time
Anon...

>>715383054
>retardation: the post
lol

>>715383197
>>715383208
Don't reply. He posts that shit in every vaguely shmup-related thread.

>>715375821
Is there any resource listing arcades in japan and what machines they have? If I head to tokyo again I'd like to play more than bombergirl and whatever the newest gundam machine is.

>>715347218 (OP)
Derivative and pretentious.

>>715347218 (OP)
>She's trying to rescue you in a state of panic, and check if (you) are alive by trying to listen to your sign through cockpit, not knowing she only need to look up to see the state of your life
>OR
>Robot psycho bitch's first instinct after a fatal crash is calmly comforting your death through cockpit, instead of trying to contact help or recovering your mangled corpse
Which is correct?

>>715383652
Something something about the dolls wanting to protect the ship. Not that she can't do much about it right now.

>>715377652
I find the multiple-layers of contrarianism within the shumup community to be funni
>baby contrarian: reject AAA slop, embrace shmups
>standard contrarian: reject Touhou, embrace CAVE
>SUPER contrarian: reject CAVE, embrace retro shmups
>OMEGA contrarian: reject everything but Space Invaders

>>715384137
>>SUPER contrarian: reject CAVE, embrace retro shmups
What if I play both
>>OMEGA contrarian: reject everything but Space Invaders
Who does this

>>715383590
I don't know about any unified resouce, but the one I went to is the Taito HEY in Akihabara. It's got bullet hells like DOJ, Ketsui, Saidaioujou, a full size Darius 2 cabinet, G-Darius, a fighting game floor with stuff like third strike, bomberman, that train simulator one, etc

>>715384412
>only person playing is on DFK BL
>using power style
Gigachad.

>>715384302
If you play both you are a standard contrarian, as the layers show that more contrarian you get, narrower your playing field becomes
>Who does this
I'm sure there's someone like that, there may even be a legendary gamer out there that even rejects space invaders and instead plays nothing but pong

>>715384624
For now I shall only reject the tohoes, although I might be bored enough to try one day.

>>715382484
thank you anon

>>715382484
links broke

>>715383590
Hey in Akiba, Mikado in Shinjuku (Takadanobaba) is the two most popular one
but there are a lot out there as long as you avoid shit places like Gigo, there's a Japanese wiki for this called "STGのできるゲーセン集"
It's in Japanese but you'd be able to exactly find where and what kind of games they have

>>715385236
NTA, but why can't westoids throw up some cool arcade place with a shmup section? I will bet you that you have a good chance to find a bunch of people who will spend a fortune trying to get a live 1cc.

>>715385402
There's an arcade not too far from me that has DOJ
It's rare to find shmups but they are there

>>715385487
Lucky as fuck.

>>715385330
This is like one of my favorite games of all time, but come on. This cover art is ass and even the PAL cover is better.

This cover singlehandedly stoked my interest in the game and I was hoping for the fan translation to release for ages and then it finally did and the game turned out to be one of the worst MegaTen games I've played. Cover's still cool though.

>>715377728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mzc4ophqvI

>>715386236
They weren't kidding about the superplay part.
It's fucking white label too.

>start playing star successor
>having a lot of trouble
>ask for advice
>get zero replies or "uhhh just dodge lol xD"
Meme community

Never saw a solution to my main problem with shmups, that being you need to redo the parts you can easily clear just for an attempt at the part that killed you, and how rote it all is
People like Mork will seethe and strawman about how "kids these days don't want to try and get good", but I do, I don't want to waste my time on parts I can do though

>>715387017
Have you tried shooting too?

>>715387158
Training mode/save states, you are welcome. Practice the bits you want to learn, then play full runs until you execute it properly.
Or you could credit feed your way to what you want to practice I guess. Takes more time and you don't get the same rank/power ups etc. but it's whatever.

>>715387376
Save states weren't available at arcade THOUGH

>>715387158
>need to redo parts
Holy fuck you're a retarded nigger faggot. Literally every single modern shmup release has a training mode
Kill yourself. Kill yourself now. You don't deserve to be alive after making such a stupid statement.

>>715387376
>>715387463
The games aren't designed around save states, and it doesn't change the fact even with training you're still going to struggle against the harder parts way more than the easy autowin beginning sections.

>mention issues with the genre
>get this unhinged seethe >>715387463
Brilliant, intelligent, sane community you got there

>>715387419
Good thing we are in [current_year] then

>>715387564
The. Issue. You. Are. Mentioning. Has. Been, Fixed. Since. A. Million. Years. Ago. You. Are. Complaining. For. The. Sake. Of. Complaining.
Hang yourself

>>715387158
That you know who Mork is (and call him that) shows this is bait

>>715348406
made me jej

>>715387665
>>715387563

>>715387563
They are designed around continuing so you can play the harder parts even if you suck. 2nd loops with requirements aside of course.

>>715387754
That doesn't solve the requirement of having to go through the boring first stages which is what the original poster is complaining about

They're genuinely designed to give you a bit of gameplay then kicking you off to get more coins
This is objective truth and multiple games were built around it, most famously Garegga
Shmupfags seethe and cry at this fact though

>>715350776
>>715347218 (OP)
all dodonpachi game covers shows (you) dead

normal daioujou: plane split in half, bulllet ridden cockpit, your ai partner is lost and reduced to caressing the cockpit

daifukkatsu: plane crushed by the boss

saidaioujou: your ai partner is caressing your dead and bleeding body, with bullets hit your cockpit from above

>>715387905
If only there was one mode included in nearly every console/PC release, and one very handy emulator feature.

>>715388019
Except >>715387419

>>715387931
They're designed for you to 1cc
>b-but!
TLB requirements.

>>715388068
And?
Are you playing them in a real arcade?

>>715388019
Save states aren't a solution to the problem being brought up, it isn't very hard to understand.
>x part of game is engaging, y part of game is not
>you have to play through y to get to x
>BUT YOU CAN PRACTICE X THOUGH

>>715388112
They're arcade games, so you play them as you would in the arcade
Any coping and seething about adding save states, practice etc, just proves how fundamentally flawed the genre is

daifukkatsu black label: your plane destroyed and landed on a shallow lake, along with you shot dead riddled with bullets drowned, and your ai partner can only lovingly look at your dead body

>>715388198
You are acting like people didn't clear the games before. These things are only there to solve the small annoyance of having to replay easy stages first.

>>715388174
You're just describing a pacing problem, then
Shmups have fixed this just by improving that

>>715388326
They cleared them because they knew the arcade operators and played on free mode
There's a massive dishonesty with shmupfags and it's plain to see

ive seen shovelware with better cover art than this

>>715347218 (OP)
Cave does love their misery porn

in Progear, your unit all sacrificed themselves just so you can launch your plane, you defeated the army, but sill lost the war, and your commanding general managed to pumped a baby to your partner before he died months before the war and youre left taking care of the girl and her baby

>>715388349
It's more like a problem of him being a LARPer while not fully understanding the context.
Arcade games don't have a save/load system, that's why they are designed to last a small amount of playtime and you have to keep playing the easy stages every run, this isn't really an issue with the "genre" bur rather an actual hardware limitation of its time.
Modern shmups now include training modes, or some form of stage select, although doing a full 1cc is still cool so people enjoy that.

>>715387931
as any good STG fan would, I actually deny the existence of Garegga for the fact that its best characters are from an entirely different game
making it no longer Battle Garegga

>>715388152
marshmallow man

>>715388393
>Source: my ass

>>715388667
>shmupfag doesn't know his own history
A classic tale
Reminder that the high score of DOJ had NO proof and was literally based on "dude trust me im japanese lmao"
Meme genre

>>715347218 (OP)
with all the bad blood between Atlus and Cave, its a real miracle that ESP.rade was ablet to get ported to home systems

>>715388737
>flip grip
based

>>715347218 (OP)
I hate seeing this because no matter how many times I see it I get the feeling that it's an amazingly kino game and get excited for like 2 seconds before remembering that it's just shumpshit

>>715388715
>muh community history
Who gives a flying fuck.

Covers this, covers that; what's on the back?

>>715388845
>stop talking about issues who gives a fuck shmups are perfect mork siad so
Got it tranny

>>715388609
>>715387931
while I dont like Cave shmups for their very strict and obnoxious 2nd loop requirements, I hate Battle Garegga more because the explosions pretty much obscure enemy bullets

>>715380337
Finally, an excuse to post this.

>>715388968
People doing retarded shit isn't an issue with the genre.
But of course you don't play them so you don't really care about anything else.

>>715389081
Is that a goddamn gelgoog

>>715347218 (OP)
which is the worst shmup Cave made? is it Ibara or Pink Sweets?

>>715388737
nice glasses bro

>>715389108
But I do play, that's why I've had so many issues with the genre consistently?
Besides, the genre is supposed to be about high scores, yet when the community hides replays, hides proof, hides behind "dude trust me", it makes the whole thing stink of dishonesty

>>715389125
Looks like a Dom

>>715389196
Go complain about it to them. Anons here just want to shoot shit and dodge dots.

>shmups are le bad because some autistic jap halfway around the world won't show me his replays
bait-kun...

>>715389339
>thread for shmup discussion
>i discuss shmups
>NO NOT LIKE THAT

>>715389389
>genre is supposedly based around skill and high scores
>the high scores are unverifiable
>the skill is just rote memorization
It's telling that shmupfags get btfo by any non-memoshit game

>>715389447
>high scores are unverifiable
check out https://shmups.wiki/library/STG_Hall_of_Records
most of listed scores have attached videos or screenshots
>skill is just memo
No, there's a fundamental aspect of skill involved - execution, streaming, pattern reading, etc. you're not going to go anywhere in even the most static memoshit like a raiden game by literally memorizing exact positions and movement for each frame
>shmupfags get btfo by any non-memoshit game
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>>715389196
isn't there a lot of exhibition videos about famous cave shmup players posting videos about their plays. heck even Ketsui PS3 got a bonus video disc where i believe Clover-TAC posted his no miss 2nd loop full play

>>715389389
uh... except they don't, they usually even hold special exhibition events where they show their no miss 2nd loop runs for cave shumps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSL9bdBTcL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tPVBpjcrxE

>>715388221
That's DaiOuJou Rinne Tensei. This is Daifukkatsu Black Label

>>715389652
>most
So not all, and again the most famous high score in the most competitive game is literally hidden because dude trust me
>it's more than memo
LOL
Full Extent literally says to get good just copymonkey

Go play Mars Matrix.

>>715390471
no

>>715385487
Where is it?

>>715390471
only ai can play Mars Matrix. shit is fucking insane.

>>715388981
>I hate Battle Garegga more because the explosions pretty much obscure enemy bullets
more like everything obscures them because of a shit palette choice. The revision addresses this but it is still an issue

>>715390360
>not all
Right.
>the most famous high score in the most competitive game is hidden
So, out of most scores being proven, there's one score that's hidden and you're artistically obsessed with that.... why? You do know there are plenty WR-close scores for DOJ that DO have replays, right?
https://shmups.wiki/library/DoDonPachi_DaiOuJou/Video_Index
>but muh full extent
Frankly I don't care whatever full extent says. Not sure why you're so obsessed with it?

>>715387931
>They're genuinely designed to give you a bit of gameplay then kicking you off to get more coins
If you're good at shmups they provide some of the best bang for your buck at arcades. You can play them for like 20-40 minutes straight off one coin. Go play Initial D or Wangan and see how long your 100 yen lasts.

>>715390584
Did A.I counterstop it yet?

No sure if soul or cringe

>>715390570
West Seattle (the nice part of Seattle)

>>715353404
>>715353613
Its fucking Enders Game.

>>715347218 (OP)
I'd say it's pretty close, yeah. Probably not my favourite though.

>>715347390
fpbp

>subtl lolicon
yea, it's pretty good

>>715391145
I would say only Leinyan is close to Loli

>>715391210
And the XBOX-only girl, but nobody knows about her.

>>715390728
>u-uh that doesn't HECKIN COUNT SHMUPS ARE PERFECT
I see, the brilliant shmup mind out in full force again

>>715391321
>tfw I own a now defunct Japanese 360, so I can't even play my copy of DOJ Black Label Extra anymore

>>715387931
I don't disagree. The only shmup studio which really knew what they were doing and provided a fair challenge was Treasure. Cave, Psikyo, Raizing were all producing quarter munchers. Still fun quarter munchers tho.

>>715391394
>its a quarter muncher.... because it just IS okay??? YOU STUPID FUCKING CHUD!!!
kys

>>715391394
>trashure

>>715391484
>wojak syntax
Yep it's a non-player

>>715347218 (OP)
>le tranime

Alright shmup bros how do I defeat Commander Deko in Sin and Punishment 2?

>>715365716
came here to post this

>>715391520
>everyone who disagrees with my retarded buzzwords is a non player

>>715391487
>the "trashure" schizo shows up
At this point I'm convinced the "trasher" schizo is actually a psyop by multiple Treasure fans just shitposting for easy (You)s. Same with the "post clears shitter" schizo psyop; fags who don't even care about anyone's clears and just doing it for the (You)s.

>>715391610
Using wojak syntax is the indicator, yes

>>715391394
Several cave shmups are easier than Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun.

>>715391469
Will never be not funny how she is so expressive in fanart despite being described as being dutiful and "pure" but cold.

>>715365716
>>715365874
>>715367006
>>715376293
It's clearly De Chirico, you ignorant fucks. God I hate g*mers

JP cover art always brutally mogs American cover art. It's not fair.

>>715348228
>everyone plays Exy instead
Shotia is not bad for survival. Probably not for a 2 loop clear but for a 1All she is pretty good.

In CCWI am I supposed to be using my lock on entirely, or when do I use my main shot?

anyone who uses the jewish nigger term "shmup" should be executed and then reduced to ashtray size

>>715391812
the way it works is
>hold lock shot
>wait for audio indicator to know its maxed out
>unleash lock shot, giving you maxed multipler
>use main shot + lock shot with any intervals you want until multiplier expires
>repeat

>>715391904
Those certainly are words.

>>715391904
Let me guess, you call games like DMC and NG "action games" or "hack and slash"

>>715391904
you're right they're clearly STGs

sdoj is too hard

>>715391764
True for black label.
Not really for the OG cause of the slowness and generally harder game where you will get walled by things that require strong laser. Recently I noticed there's an especially shitty spot near the end of stage 5 for Shotia because the fucking zakos get between the enemies you are supposed to laser down, aside from the typical stage 3 bullshit, the cannon, the rails, and bosses obviously.

>>715391985
Stop the nonsense. CAG is lot worse.

>>715391735
Yep, it may sound like one of those dumb blanket statements but it really is the case
https://youtu.be/76SvR8WxWGs?si=6Dk5zxnPJuSLakgy

>>715392141
Even in White Label she is not bad for a 1ALL. Her shot is great for the levels, and her bombs are great for bosses.
Exy just has no bombs and Leinyan terrible recovery.

>>715372061
>>715372105
Druidmindmind

>>715392603
Don't know about that, I can do a WL 1-ALL with Leinyan a lot easier than Shotia. Although to be fair I did not try A-S.
For one, I can actually play stage 5 on B-L.

>>715392818
I wonder, is A generally better for Shotia than B?

>>715392818
Leinyan gives me trouble with her shot, even with Type B it's just often too narrow to hit the zakos well, especially when recovering. B-S just shoots across the whole screen which very good in stages.

>>715388715
>Reminder that the high score of DOJ had NO proof and was literally based on "dude trust me im japanese lmao"
And yet, Arika contacted those superplayers with """no proof""" to beta test the excellent ps2 port
https://shmuplations.com/scorer1/

>>715393131
>further proving my point
OH NONONO SHMUPSISSIES

>>715393131
>excellent ps2 port
The replay system in it is terrible. You have to wait after every stage and confirm the replay for each stage. It's not bad that even have replays, but it's just too annoying

>>715392991
In OG it's not even a question. Do try holding the laser on B-S and see what happens lol. Stage 3 will be nearly psikyomemo shit.
Black Label does fix this entirely so I'm not sure, A-S does look a lot better in general tho.

>>715393067
With B-L you just accept that after your first death, you will probably bomb your way through. But it's cool because before stage 4 there isn't anything she can't handle, and if you manage to recover on stage 5 somehow, there is still anything she can't handle.

>>715393349
>Stage 3 will be nearly psikyomemo shit
Stage 3 goes well with B-S. The shot clears out the zako well, otherwise you really have to be on point with the routing. You just need like 2 hypers for teh stage and maybe 3 bombs for the boss.

>>715393581
That's a fuckton of resources for one stage. There again, close enough to my worst except I usually use the hyper once and the boss only eats one bomb out of 2.

It's really too bad that you can't emulate the xbox port

>>715393806
Well, it depends on how good you are at the bosses. If you are not that good at dodging all the shit yet, then shotia is pretty good, because you can just bomb the hard patterns, and use wide shot for the stages.

>>715347218 (OP)
It's unique, but only hipsters among weeb communities give a fuck.

>>715393961
I would still recommend A-S for OG if you want to play Shotia, type B is just too fucking slow and the laser does less than A's btw, even the laserbomb!

>>715391587
>ask for advice
>no replies

>>715391587
I'm not there yet. But usually when something seems to hard in S&P it probably just requires you to use melee more. At least that was my experience with the first game. hen something seemed too hard, then I didn't use melee enough.

>>715394471
But in 2 melee is a lot weaker, and the Deko fight is especially insane

>>715391985
i call dmc capslop
no ckue wtf the "ng" is, nigger guts? i call that what i spill everyday ON THESE MOTHERFUCKING STREETS, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME, SAMBO?

>>715347218 (OP)
Nope, that's Phalanx.

>>715393984
Thanks for sharing.
>>715394520
Melee in 2 was actually balanced with a cooldown after the third swing. It was broken in 1.
>>715391587
Which form?

>>715395730
The first form, with the ring room and tons of robots and soldiers
I get the idea, you have to melee the missiles back at the robots in the background, but doing that while trying to shoot the soldiers and dodge the lasers is very hard

>>715395817
It's even harder if you're playing for score. (having your feet planted on the ground) If you think that fight is hard... Wait 'til you get to the final battle.

Nice shmup channel

>>715396240
LET'S MORKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
He livestreamed 8 hours of Dark Souls 1 3 days ago

Souls are just so...arcade bros, because you can uh...die and shit...so arcade

>>715396240
Was it mainly a shmup channel in the first place?

>>715398721
It was
Funny how he abandoned his beloved shmups to pretend to be some messiah of design
He gets hard filtered by anything that isn't a shmup too, his seething at Dark Ages proves that

>>715394243
I think that point is big in favor of A type for Shotia, boosts all of her bombs against the bosses quite a bit
I should try it out, Shotia has always been my goto mindless clear

>>715393984
>It's unique
It's literally derivative, shut the fuck up

>>715399318
Derivative of what?

>>715398794
His channel is his main job now so he has to make more far-reaching videos
he's still actively making shmup videos just a little less
>he gets hard filtered by anything that isn't a shmup
He played Dark and Demon souls well so no.

>>715399390
>rollslop
He didn't even play Eternal, which he would've loved, he got filtered by Dark Ages, couldn't finish Vanquish, literally doesn't understand Bayonetta, needed a save file for DMC 3

>>715399360
Ghost in the Shell

>>715352313
What's up with shmups and unforgettable cover art? It's a bit dissapointing since shmups don't give two shits about story or setting anyway.

>>715399456
???
Anon do you even know what the fuck you're talking about

>>715350776
I never played the game so I've always thought the girls were the pilots

>>715399514
You've never seen the poster to GiTS?

>>715350776
N-natsun we need to drop napalm on Charlie nyanpasu

>>715399576
It's Motoko
Or the one with wires, but having wires doesn't make it derivative
Then again GITSfags are retarded and haven't even read the manga, the anime is horrible

>>715371442
I think you have crappy eyes, get new ones

>>715399682
This one, you know, the iconic one
People have known this for years, Saioujou's cover has always been compared to this

I don't reply to GITSfags
Watch more and better anime

I accept your concession

Koukaku no Pandora >>> Ghost in the Shell

kneel.

>>715384795
The tooho games games are fine and quite charming, you should still try them out regardless of their shitty community

i was always quite fond of the summoner box art even though I know it was used for other types of stuff not related to the game too.

>>715398794
Dark Ages sucks ass with or without sliders, sorry nigga

>>715400715
Another filtered casual, you love to see it

Game is nothing like this. Biggest blue ball.

Is Ketsui or SOJ harder? Ketsui has really puzzle-like patterns that feel hard to me but some of them are pretty solvable to where they aren't a big deal anymore

>>715399843
Interesting. I didn't think of this, but it makes sense

>>715392603
>>715392818
What would you guys recommend using for my first 1-ALL in Black Label?

>>715400738
Honest question. What's great about it? Haven't played.

>>715402312
I would say anything goes. They are all viable, depending on your playstyle. If you don't like dodging hard patterns, use shotia. If you really like dodging, use Exy.

>>715402445
Spoonfeed me the easiest please. My only clear is deathsmiles and the best I can do is get to the turtle in black label and stage 4 boss in esprade. I'm not very good.

>>715401464
Ketsui has the hardest 1-all, and DOJ (White Label) has the hardest 2-all, but Ketsui's Ura loop comes pretty close

>>715402521
They all have their advantages and disadvantages. I would say Shotia with Type B is the easiest, but even there you have to know when to use bombs effectively and be careful with your slow laser.

>>715402647
Thank you. I'll go try it now.

when boxart was an actual painting not photoshop blended slop

>>715347218 (OP)
the guy who drew this is named inoue junya he
left cave to do manga he did btoom and
kaijuu jieitai

>>715402998
Should have made a Deathsmiles doujin instead

>>715403136
Michael Jackson nose lmao

>>715403114
he did

>>715347218 (OP)
>CAVEfags utterly destroyed because the best DDP game was made by Arika
Fucking lol

>>715403519
arika did not make the game thay just ported it
to the ps2

>>715399487
Shmups not giving a shit about story is why the covers are allowed to be so good

>>715347390
fippy bippy

>>715348145
It's a shmup so no.

>>715389081
You're a man of culture, I see.
>>715389125
>>715389307
There are romhacks to receive this issue.

>>715405357
*rectify dammit

>>715404606
A Classic

>>715400001
I won't defend GiTS because the author's true greatest manga is Orion, but
lol
lmao

>>715402574
Is that the 2nd loop? The first phase seems harder than the normal, and the sideways pink bullets look easier than normal, but maybe you have better routing than me.

>>715348406
Harry looks like he is about to smack a fool with his stick

>>715352304
poetry

>>715378683
>>715388221
i prefer this to the original, especially with the serene music that plays in the intro screen, it really nails the idea of "blissful death"

test

>>715378683
this is less iconic but still great. I love how you can see the dead pilot submerged in the water, and how the passage of time is visible with the vegetation covering the plane

Bomber.

>>715352304
Bravo, very favstian

When are they porting pic related?

>>715352304
Oh, Ok

>>715365874
The artist is called Chirico Cuvie.

maybe not the most memorable, but i've never forgotten it at least

>>715415408
I've seen the edit so often that the real cover doesn't look real

>>715415473
What's the edit?

>>715415565
The hand but doing the OK symbol

>>715347218 (OP)
Why did old school shmups have the best covers?

>>715365716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RMDBqQDtT8

>>715382484
Very cool

>>715352313
the juxtoposition of "The Hyper Speed Shoot-Out in Space" with the banjo is what makes this 10/10.

>>715399682
>>715399843
Wires going into the back were a fairly common trope in old school anime. You need to watch more 80s OVAs and movies.

>>715416775
Tell that to the GITSfag, I actually watch anime
Hell I'm wearing my Bubblegum Crisis shirt RIGHT NOW

>>715416775
Post a single pic as iconic as the Ghost in the Shell poster that has the exact same pose
Don't kid yourself

>>715389129
Pink Sweets because some of the sfx are borderline earrape

>>715347218 (OP)
why are so many "gamers" filtered by shmups?

>>715417306
Correctly criticising the terrible genre isn't getting filtered Mork

>>715388451
feel free to post it (you won't)

>>715417403
>I-I-I'm totally not filtered
kek ok buddy

>>715417598
>>715417403

>>715417669
>>715417598

Almost every PS1 box art is kino

>>715417693
>>715417403

>>715417776
>>715417693
>>715417598

>>715417757
this game is just a shitpost and you can't convince me otherwise

>>715388737
Chudjak in the reflection?

>>715417895
>Cave shit
Of course

>>715417801
>>715417403

>>715402312
>Black Label
You can use Shotia there because they removed/massively reduced the slowdown effect. Type A might still be slightly better than Type B because doing damage quickly is very important in DOJ, you don't have to bomb spam if you can kill the enemies in the first place.
Exy has a much stronger ship especially on Type B, however you will have to manage bombs/hyper.
Leinyan is fun actually but the fun ends at your first death. Still cool for a 1-ALL. Type B is infinitely better here, Type A shot is fucking useless even at max.

Bomba?

>715347218
>715349245
>715352313
>>715354075
>715354792
>715356073
>715365716
>715366024
>715371723
>715371997
>715378294
>715378683
>715385330
>715386161
>715386545
>715387274
>715388152
>715389413
>715400551
>715400796
>715402845
>715404606
>715414472
>715415110
>715417757
Cool covers.
>715348406
>715348509
>715350634
>715352486
>715352990
>715353261
>715353402
>715360171
>715400107
Cringe covers. CGI renders from the game or an angry face (except for Mystery of the Droods) will always look ugly as fuck. System doesn't let me quote due to "spam" (thanks Rapeape you fuck!).

>>715422175
Hi newfaggot, that's not how you reply to a post
>b-but i attached a LE OLDFAG ZETSUBOU SENSEI IMAGE
Newfaggot

>>715352304
Very Orwellian if I say so myself.

>>715422197
>didn't read the post
lmao

Where's the love for reversible covers?

>>715422294
Just this once, I will take the L

>>715422197
he did it to avoid getting banned, retard

>>715422338
I respect a man who knows when to back down.

>>715387931
Dodonpachi is not that as 99% of bullets shoot towards your direction, it has WAY less RNG bullets than touhou (which is a non-arcade title), and I don't recall instances where it tries to get you caught off-guard unless you memorize it.
CAVE games are highly regarded as the most mistake you make playing it, are mostly your own fault. I won't deny there are coin munchers out there, but people who just suck at these games tend to heavily exaggerate how prevalent they were to cope not being able to 1cc.
DDP were made during the golden-era of arcades where cabinets were constantly competing with each other trying to attract users, shitty games with terrible balance like that easily got labeled as kusoge and got left to sit in a corner collecting dust.

>>715423204
>it has WAY less RNG bullets
DOJ has does have a hefty amount of RNG, both in stage sections and bosses.
>and I don't recall instances where it tries to get you caught off-guard unless you memorize it.
I can think of stage 2 boss mixups, stage 3 boss "cheese graters" not having the best visibility, the cannon in stage 4 with those massive hitboxes coming down from the top at a decent speed and sometimes walling your path, arguably the first midboss and the entire second half of stage 5.

>>715389447
>memo
I know a lot of niggas who 1cc'd CAVE titles that they never played with just couple of tries (some not even having to try), because skills transfer across all of their other games once you've mastered one.

>>715423710
Sure anon sure, just like how that guy in Japan has the WR for DOJ but no proof because dude trust me

>>715423710
I could probably do that in Mushi Original nowadays.
Except I already played it

>>715423710
idk about cave titles, maybe other titles sure
cave titles are pretty route based

>>715423913
Opposite way around I would say.
CAVE has fewer route-heavy sections(it does have them though) than most shmups that came before them, you can conceivably beat them with strong fundamentals.

HEY YOU

>>715378683
>>715378738
>>715380390
If you get the physical release, it has the reversible cover. Looks way better.

>>715424592
I'm gonna need a translation of that japanese text in the back right now.

feesh

>>715347218 (OP)
I'm voting for pic related. It raped my soul and left it naked in the gutter.

>>715352304
>My penis remains erect but lifeless.
Stop Viagra now before it's too late

>>715366529
IKD didn't like making his games as hard as he did but he had to because he felt the pressure of the demand from players and operators, BL was immediately made out of regret for making DOJ too hard.

>>715425603
Lol that's the worst version of this game's cover. The japanese is so much cooler.
But for the love of all shmups, do not play this shit. Just don't.

>>715426012
The song in the first stage of this game made me cry
;-;

>>715426347
Are you expecting me to know what any of these are

Look cool anyways

>>715391706
And you have a useless degree

>>715403402
>SFW
>a grand total of ONE pantsushot and ONE cleavage shot
It was cute though.

>>715426580
CAVE stuff is for cute and/or grimdark, not for lewd.
Although they certainly like teasing.

>>715426787
>official nopan Reco figure

>>715425032
this

>>715426840
Reco is a WHORE

>>715426892
Still would.

>>715356073
>sierra logo mountain getting bombarded by Hind D
>massive entertainment logo got breached by soldiers
they don't make vidya intro like they used to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRhXgmEtCnM

>>715426979
Mushi isn't gritty at all.
Ultra do be hardcore and brutal tho, especially Futari.

>>715417850
Moon is a critique of 80's RPGs.
It came out in 1997, at least 5 years past the point its messages about game design were the most relevant.
Still influenced some pretty big names though.
I'm pretty sure it's the reason for NPC schedules in Majora's Mask and Brave Fencer Musashi

>>715427212
>actually it's a heckin deconstruction
Fuck off retard

>>715427248
Why can't you even attempt to respond to a post

>>715427248
When you think about it, shitposts are just deconstructions but very low effort.

>>715427328
>wow the game must be amazing with a cover like that

>>715427392
Anon your screen is flipped sideways.

>>715427248
No, seriously.
The main point of Moon is to show that NPCs can be fuller characters and how this benefits storytelling and immersion vs the old standard of having NPCs that exist to dole out single lines of helpful instruction for the player.
The other ponint is: "Why problems in games always gotta be solved with violence?"

>>715427512
>doesn't tate
I thought we were in a shmup thread

>>715426787
Your official bottles of deathsmiles piss (tea) bro?

>>715427546
Spinning displays are too much of an obvious point of failure. I can play them just fine on yoko.

Not exactly a shmup bread but
Congrats, you made it to second loop.

>>715371997
>>715372024

>>715428193
Someone posting this poster and I thought it was going to be a serious noir game
Imagine my surprise when I actually played it

>>715428496
Is that Kris Deltarune?

That's not even the best ddp cover art

The only real issue with this is that it doesn't convey the game that well. While the US cover is far more lame, it does make it much more clear that it is an action game with a horror theme.