SINDRIIIIII

>>715363061 (OP)
METAL BAWKSES

>>715363061 (OP)
SPESS MAHREN

>>715363061 (OP)
I AM NOT YOUR BOOTLICK

>>715363061 (OP)
THERE IS NO TIME TO BE LOST

Isn't he Alpha Legion?

How the fuck didn't he see the betrayal incoming?

Most low IQ Alpha Legion guy, didn't even have the loyalty of his own men.

>>715363804
THE COWARDS!
THE FOOLS!

>>715363061 (OP)
I look like that and say that

>>715365213
BATTLE BROTHAS

https://youtu.be/hfORh9cFDU8?list=RDhfORh9cFDU8

BRUVAH, I am in need of AID!

>>715366643
For me, it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK5-uE5JFg

>before Necrons could talk
>when Orks had innate psychic powers that made their stupidity the reason their technology worked
>before primaris powercreep garbage
take me back

>>715366643
THIS QUIET OFFENDS SLAANESH
>https://youtu.be/i7AC5M7F4ys
THINGS SHALL GET LOUD NOW

>>715367590
>when Orks had innate psychic powers that made their stupidity the reason their technology worked
I only honestly started looking at the actual tabletop during 10e. Isn't this still the case? I haven't actually read their codex

Commander Boreal
oreal
B-b-boreal
Bor-
-boreal
-real-
-eal

>>715367590
>when Orks had innate psychic powers that made their stupidity the reason their technology worked

This never stopped being the case. They've just tried to tone it down because idiot redditors took the idea of "ork's collective willpower and belief augments their equipment and can keep it from falling apart" to "if an ork thinks he can fly hard enough, he will". It was taking away the nightmarish grimdark aspect of Orks in that if even one ork spore lands on a world it's contaminated not only with brutal savage monsters, but eventually some of them will just pop up with the built in knowhow on making everything from bbq grills to nuclear weapons.

>>715369013
>this parody still keeps GW corporate up at night https://youtu.be/kNjUiDpLvlQ
As if they've done any better over the last few years.

>>715367590
The Oldcrons were genuinely scary. I miss them a lot. Empire of the Severed is the closest resemblance in nu-lore.
https://youtu.be/4q2e8lnqwwk?si=LGGr1F-irGD_I_VE

>>715369236
>Admech speak in their binary language
>Oldcrons used to communicate exclusively in whispers and static
>Mechanicus never did anything with this
Talk about a missed opportunity if there ever was one.

>>715365269
Sindri's real job was rounding up all the 'tards in the Alpha legion and getting them killed.
He just didn't realise that he was among them

>>715369812
Alpha Legion aren't supposed to be tards, they're high IQ by default

Tards are World Eaters, Emperor's Children and Night Lords

>>715369812
>killed
he's a daemon prince stuck in the warp now

>>715369897
His soul got devoured by the daemon, according to Kyras.

THERE IS NO TIME TO BE LAWST

luv this game so much bros...

>>715371874
What the fuck is that

>>715372902
one of them vespids

They need to treat Definitive Edition like AoE2R and remove unit caps alongside adding other factions like Tyranids, Mechanicus, Inquisition, Custodes, Harlequins, Leagues of Votann

>>715373328
>tyranids
yea
>mechanicus
yea
>inquisition
yea
>custodes
yea
>harlequins
yea
>leagues of votann
fuck on outta here bitch nigga

Re installed soulstorm
I dont know if it just to me but the audio sounds scuffed and it killed the mood
I hope the the remaster comes soon enough

>>715373689
Did you also perform the fixes to help it run on modern systems?

>>715363061 (OP)
>Cross me... and die.

>>715373841
nope
just played straight from the library

The time of judgement is at hand.

>>715373972
WE LOST BECAUSE YOU ARE WEAK

>>715373868
>Word Bearer
Of course he is.

>>715373997
Does it have a toilet?

>>715369890
Alpha legion were still in a weird spot when DoW1 was in production, you'd start seeing them becoming the sneaky snakes after a lore rework for 4th edition which would release like 4 months before DoW1 did and instantly rendered the game kind of anachronistic. Before then iirc they were described more like guerilla specialists who loved taking on fights way above their weight class.

>>715374252
No need when you shit directly onto heretics.

>>715374195
Are they even doing anything in 40k?

>>715374487
They're active everywhere right now, but havent had a lot of big focus put on them. Lorgar is crusading around currently but hasn't really been featured in anything i'm aware of. Erebus pops up here and there to be a fag. Kor Phaeron sacrificed a couple worlds inside of Segmentum Solar too, but now he's hunting down potential Star Children and killing them.

I miss him (Dark Crusade) so much...

>>715368993
WHAR?

>>715365269
The alpha legions plans are so intricate, so convoluted, intelligent and all-considerate that they themselves often get caught up wondering what it is they are doing. So they tend to stick to disguises instead.

>>715363061 (OP)
iiIIIIRDNIS

>>715365269
He thought he had a plan to betray everyone else first

>>715363061 (OP)
Reminder that this remaster will suck cocks

>>715376898
I prefer when He and Araghast became Starscream and Megatron.

>>715369890
Warp exposure tends to make you retarded and forget why you're rebelling

>>715381289
This
Whatever original motivation you had will be replaced with a flanderized version implanted by a chaos god.

>>715381152
>Araghast
They did him way too dirty for a supposed nudefault Chaos Lord

>>715369890
>Night Lords
How are they tards? Lorelet here, I thought they were all about psychological torture, which kind of necessitates some intelligence

>>715376898
I instantly dropped dow2 when I heard him talk, wtf

the sole reason I didn't play SoB for years was how goofy their dumb builder looked

>>715373328
That's what mods are for

>>715374487
>rogue trader ended up doing nothing substantial with the board wearers
everything about the aurora bullshit smells like scrapped plot

>>715381289
Pretty sure the Alpha Legion doesn't reside in the Eye of Terror

>>715382676
They are just a bunch of rapists and hooligans roaming the galaxy terrorizing civilians. The second something is able to hit back they crumble. They are just lucky ADB loves them and his donutsteel is written like he can talk back to abadon

>>715369890
The only space marines who aren't retarded, chaos and loyal included, are the Ultramarines.

>>715384083
You strangly spelled Iron Warriors

>>715384281
>throws a tantrum and kills 10% of his legion
peak retardation

>>715384490
It's ok the geneseed has a low rejection rate, besides the IW carried both sides in the heresy

>>715363061 (OP)

be honest, how many of you are gonna get the definitive edition?

>>715384663
>It's ok the geneseed has a low rejection rate
Yeah I bet, plenty of retards to go around.

>>715384685
unless it they do some major fuck up or ask one of my kidneys for it, I will

>>715384685
Maybe 1 year down the line for less than 10 bucks if there are good mods on it.
That shit is overpriced is probably going to be buggy as fuck

>>715384685
$21 is a good price which makes me think something is wrong with it. I'll wait and see what others are saying before buying it.

>>715369127
40K + reddit is such a cancer combo

>>715375128
Lorgar's biggest news is jobbing to Corax who had awakened his warp powers and became a shadow monster that's still loyal to the Emperor.

>>715384821
>or ask one of my kidneys for it
its gonna be 30$ and 30% off for people who own the old versions

>tfw DoW2 got a major update out of nowhere, gave everyone all the DLC for free and briefly rerived the last stand
I make no apologies for primarily playing teleporting sorcerors/mekboys

>>715363061 (OP)
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO????

>>715385030
>rerived
fuck I need to go to bed

So Alpha Legion are Tzeentch worshipers right?

>>715385021
I will wait to see the regional price.
Is this under SEGA or Lelic has full autonomy? Because SEGA are jewish when it comes down to regional pricing if TW is anything to go by

>>715385185
No

>>715385375
Relic.

>>715384685
The trailer claims that it supports all current mods so I think i will buy it for that reason alone. Hope multiplayer is smoother.

>>715385185
As far as I am aware they are undivided-lite, which is to say they aren't big into chaos worship, at least in general
Word Bearers would be undivided-strong (as in they actively worship chaos as a whole) and Thousand Sons would be Tzeetnch worshippers (or at least the sorcerers are since those are the only non-rubiced CSM left), for comparisons sake

>>715384685
I'll wait and see. If its not a buggy mess and a graphical downgrade I'll probably buy. Also if they destroy multiplayer I'll pass.

>>715363061 (OP)
there won't be Dawn of war 4 because DOW 3 was shit.
and it was shit because they decided to make a shitty game copying trendy stuff at the time instead of just doing DOW 2 bigger and better
you only had one job.

>>715385015
That was in like 2018

>>715384685
Depends, apparently they are actually addressing pathfinding, but I'll wait to see how it is.

>>715384685
It'll depend on the mods.

>>715384685
i will not pay for a game i already own. the increase to 64bit should've been an update for the original and not exclusive to the "remaster".

>>715385674
DoW2 feels like lost technology at this point, whenever I'm playing Last Stand I just can't believe the level of detail that goes into the skirmishes, from enemies actively reaching and using cover to the reload and hit animations, and the cherry on top is the perfectly synched glory kills, man they really REALLY fucked it up.

IT IS A GOOD PAIN

>>715385674
>DOW 2 bigger and better
Just give me an actual sequel to the original Dawn of War.

>>715385848
The sheer soul in the conditional sync kills was amazing.
The force commander/carnifex one sticks out to me, because who the hell charges a carnifex with a sword? Yet they added an animation specifically for a sword and pistol anyway

>>715385674
DoW4 is likely in early production at Relic. DoW3 was the result of sega executives muscling in on Relic and demanding they chase trends. Since DoW3 shit the bed, Relic's released 2 games that have sold well(AoE4 was apparently a huge smash hit?), bought themselves out of sega's clutches and are fully independent again and even self publishing. Currently they're releasing some weird mash up of xcom/advance wars/impossible creatures that looks like a pretty low budget affair, and they went on a hiring spree late last year presumably for a larger project.

>>715385979
the point is that they only need to make another RTS like DOW 2 and put more stuff on it, some other campaigns, maybe another chapters and that's it.

>>715386502
And my point is DoW2 is a terrible sequel and a terrible base for DoW4.

>>715386452
>DoW4 is likely in early production at Relic
chuddah.jpeg

>>715385979
>>715386560
no one cares about your shit opnion tranny kys asap DoW 2 > DoW 1 any day of the week

>>715385185
Alpha Legion are loyalists. Just ask Alpharius.

>>715386725
You killed my franchise, you cunt. Fuck you.

>>715386560
My bad, maybe we are not talking about the same stuff.
I'm talking about DOW 2, soulstorm, dark crusade
not pic related.

>>715386763
what a stupid retard LMAO "your" franchise was fucking doomed if it had stayed as DoW 1, DoW 2 was the perfect compromise between RTS useless old school autism and actual fun. Sorry gramps but NO ONE gives a fuck about clicking buildings anymore is time to accept it and move on. And obviously DoW 3 killed the franchise nigger

>>715386930
DoW3 didn't do shit.
The franchise was already dead by then, thanks to you fags.

>>715369890
AL are just as fragmented and chaospilled as any other traitor legion, the tacticool secret loyalists schtick only really works in 30k

The perfect 40k game would be Eternal Crusade but not as janky. I don't know why no one makes this it would sell like crazy

>>715386995
And end up just like the Eternal Crusade devs who tried and failed horribly?

>>715386990
wow, talk about absolute delusion but then again ur like 60 years old at this point so the alzheimers is palpable

>>715386990
>DoW 3 didn't do shit

>>715363061 (OP)
how do I get into warhammer?

>>715387070
It can be done just as long as it is done right.

>>715387232
Like the actual game or just the lore? For the latter you can just watch Youtube videos. As for the game don't do it. It's a money sink.

>>715386995
>eldar character action game
>wargame red dragon but 40k
>red orchestra/rising storm but the siege of vraks
>war thunder but with titans instead of tanks
>inquisitor RPG (apparently this one is actually being made?)
lot of great directions to take a 40k game.

>>715387232
Which Warhammer? Rogue Trader? Pre-7e? Post-7e?

>>715387232
play a game i guess

>>715387232
wait for a sale and get Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II - Anniversary Edition, it goes really cheap and it comes with all 3 games and all DLC so it's a really cool edition, then play Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II: Retribution specifically The Last Stand game mode and campaigns, have fun!

>>715387368
>eldar character action game
which Phoenix Lord?

>>715386990
Are you an idiot? The trailer sparked incredible levels of hype.

>>715387368
Eldar are for fags for one and an Eternal Crusade game would satisfy everybody since every faction would be playable

>>715387480
And nothing came of it. It was a wet fart and everyone moved on.

>>715387540
because it was shit.
the game could easily have reignited the series had they not fucked up so badly.

>>715387458
Just a random Striking Scorpion

>>715387232
First 2 dawn of war games + expansions are pretty good entry points since they show off a lot of the factions. Space Marine 1 and 2 are also decent action games, but they were made like a decade+ apart and depict wildly different settings. Mechanicus is alright if you're into XCOM clones, and I've heard decent things about the rogue trader RPG but can't personally vouch for it.

Whatever you do though don't get all your lore from watching youtube videos, 90% of 40k '''lore youtubers''' either make shit up or just repeat fan wikis. Just search around for .pdfs of novels/codexes/sourcebooks, they really aren't that hard to find.

>>715387480
the guy is clearly senile at this point lol, lives in it's own reality

>>715387458
Asurmen because he's the most versatile
Alternatively, not a Phoenix Lord, but a random Autarch

>>715387232
Buy the starter set.

>>715384685
JUST GIVE ME TYRANIDS FOR THRONES SAKE

>>715387782
what if he doesn't like spaceniggers or tyranigs?

>>715387857
Only if your command center is your hivemind.

AS YOU KNOW MOST OF OUR BATTLE BROTHAS ARE STATIONED IN SPESS SPESS SPESS BAAAAAAAAALD

>>715388034
Most of our battle brothers are SPESS MUHREENS

>>715387907
Synapse. Reeeeally long range synapse. Have a Nuerotyrant or something floating around to have it make sense.

I want bug bois :(

>>715388414
Every bug mod for DoW1 has been butthole, I doubt it can work in the engine (like flying vehicles).

>>715388495
yeah I bet. fucking annoying. having a bunch of gaunts swarm shit would be kino

>>715387232
Play the games
Space Marine 1 and 2 is a third person shooter
Chaos Gate - Daemonhunter is a turn based xcom style strategy game
Dawn of War is a real time strategy game series

Those are all games that serve as a fine entry point, first two are newer than DoW

>>715388495
>>715388591
explain the appeal of nids when mob armies like orks and guard already exist

>>715384685
>30% off at 30 burgers
I might get it to see if you can actually run a single skirmish of UA at full blast. If it can't do a rolling barrage with 30+ basilisks or having all eight variants of the Baneblade on the field then it ain't worth the upfront fee.

>>715388784
they look awesome and it'd be cool. also a major faction so their absence is sorta weird desu. they were half of Space Marine 2.

>>715388784
Carnifexs, Screamer Killers and Lictors are cool as fuck. Zoanthropes are pure AIDS to deal with when you start abusing the ability that makes them practically invincible when you start covering the map in airbourne synapse.

>>715365269
This is the game with Khornate sorcerers, they were all stupid.

>>715388784
Vore porn

>>715389210
We gotta kill this guy

>>715386725
DoW 2 is and always will be a massive disappointment and ruined the series.

>>715389474
>has kaptin bluddflagg
automatically disproven

>>715384685
Will wait a couple weeks after launch. If the reception is good, then I'll pick it up.
>>715384991
It's just a bit of visual polish and making the game run better on modern displays and hardware. It's not messing with any mechanics or gameplay. The AI, pathfinding, and all the other jank is likely still going to be there.

The only good nu-cron character.
Trazynfags need not apply.

>>715390352
>r/science made manifest
pass

>>715391630
Nah, that will forever be the Emperor.

>>715391686
Big Daddy and Fabulous Billy are r/atheism, moron.

>>715388784
the exocrine is a giant penis beast

>>715388784
Tyranids are one of those armies that are popular with women along with Dark Eldar, Eldar and Tau

>>715391832

>>715388784
>guardsmen
I don't like mass tanks
>orks
I don't like soccer hooligans
>tyranids
I like eating people and crazy psychic monstrosities

>no discount for ultimate edition owners

Good job ruining all goodwill you got with the remaster announcement.

>>715392471
>>715391832
>tips his fedora so hard he nukes a planet because they started worshipping him
What the FUCK was his problem?

>>715392524
>buy paypig edition
>be treated like a paypig
Wild development

>>715392481
>I don't like mass tanks
>I don't like soccer hooligans
Are you gay?

>>715392578
This is also the same man who thought that ripping a mentally unstable super soldier with a fucked up brain thanks to dark age tech away from his rightful death last minute to watch his slave brethren be slaughtered was a good idea, then proceed to give the same mentally unstable super soldier his own legion of super soldiers which are already the most mentally unstable legion.

>>715392932
>which are already the most mentally unstable legion
The Blood Angels were definitely the most unstable legion in the pre-Heresy days. The War Hounds were relatively sane before the Nails were implanted.

>>715393192
I dunno, the way Kharn was explaining it, he and his homies weren't always on the ball.

I think the Emperor of Mankind is actually a pretty cool god-like man. It would behoove all of you to start listening to what He has to say and follow My examples whenever He's out and about. Also, stop libeling Him.

>>715369013
>It was taking away the nightmarish grimdark aspect
Bro that aspect ended the moment they gave them british hooligan accents. They will always be comedy relief no matter how many grimdark stories of them eating people are written.

not getting the "remaster" since they got rid of AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>715393410
I like the way this guy thinks

>want to be hammer of the emperor
>play guard
>leman russ build limit two

wtf i want to tonk. why won’t game let me tonk

>>715393689
tonk 2 stronk

>>715393486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL3Zvyrvk4w

>>715392758
I like sending hordes of dudes into a giant meat blender
Orks are too goofy
Guard are too shit when played that way, hence the implication that you have to mass tanks
Tyranids are just right

>>715387480
I miss the Hair Marines, bros...

>>715393689
>want to be hammer of the emperor
>don't play the dudes whose shtick to say is literally "WE ARE THE HAMMER"
???

>>715394315
I don't want to play a faction that gets no love from GW hahahahahaha... hahahaha....
;_; why is our only update an upgrade sprue for the baby carrier?

>>715389474
nah, ur fucking stupid lol it's the best entry in the series, old farts need to let go

>>715394315
Uhhhh you do know the Guard are literally referred to as the Hammer of the Emperor, right?

>>715384685
it's $20 and will decrease the problems i have in big 4v4 teamgames, so yeah.

>>715394315
Ooopsie looks like someone fell out of their baby carrier again! Back in you go baby!

>>715393547
>the only man to actually stand up to big E's autism and sometimes mitigate it while also wrangling his tard children and his empire's administrative branch
Being Malcador must have been pure agony.

>>715394527
the baby carrier was like 15 years ago and it's still one of the weirdest shit gayworkshippers have ever done

how do i beat necrons in the dark crusade campaign as guard? and don’t say more guardsman because i tried that and necron heavys and tomb spyders are fucking my shit up on tiny maps. they also seem to tech up fast af

>>715394640
The answer is always to rush. The AI starts with pre-built bases and snowballs much faster than you do.

>>715394378
Nigger I'm GLAD we don't get love from GW. Grey Knights are the only Space Marine chapter that feel like fucking space marines now.
>tactical, high impact, low model army
>good at most things but suck at some situations that require specialization
>no fucking primaris
>>715394435
Mo like the limp noodle of the Emperor looooool

>>715394765
>THIS IS IT! WE'LL BURY YOU HERE!

Grey Knights always seemed retarded to me
>Space marines but EVEN MORE SUPER SPESHUL AND SEKRIT

>>715387603
How powerful are elder "mechs" compare to human ones?

>>715394765
You know what? Fair point. And it's not like the current models are horrible.

>>715394967
Then you have custodes
>We are super soldiers but not like space marines and have our own method to make us. We also have super speshul orders.

>>715394765
The only thing I can say as a non-grey knight player but has a friend who has one: Anti-tank seems to be rough for GK with the lack of psychic phase.

>>715394992
same as everything with eldar "about the same, but lighter and faster"

>>715394992
You ever watched a scene from Gundam where they go sword/beam saber melee fighting instead of guns? Kind of like that.

>>715384685
We'll see how badly they fuck it up first.

>>715394967
It actually makes more sense once you get to the core of it; the Inquisition needs Daemonhunters, Daemons are dangerous as fuck and need the best countermeasures you can get, Marines are the strongest force in the Imperium. Therefore, make Daemonhunter Marines.
One of the significant issues is that GW has moved the mystical aspects of 40k to the back burner in order to make regular Marines look cooler via becoming more Tacticool. To that end, Daemons are basically just another flavor of xenos now, and are often just used as toadies for Marines and occasionally Heretics.
So when any old Marine will gun down dozens of Daemons in a single battle, Grey Knights become far less interesting.

>>715385030
When did this happen?

>>715381152
ELIPHAS
YOU TREASONOUS DOG

>>715389634
The trailer they released just a couple days ago says they'll improve the pathfinding.
https://youtu.be/pY_JzB0WxSA?si=KeOG5SAEZjoRM8gl

>>715394967
>theres gene seed from all these other guys who were made from Emprah
>what if there was gene seed from Big E?idk makes sense to me
The only part thats weird is how they handle the secrecy behind the grey knights imo, for the reasons >>715395714 stated

Hey guys, you're not already forgetting about the last big Warhammer RTS, right?
Right?

>>715395092
Yeah anti tank is rough because only a handful of big pricy models like the baby carrier have good strength and AP. Their infantry shred light infantry and medium infantry, and they can take out heavy infantry with some wargear, but anti tank stuff is generally a big ask
I don't mind though, because it means they have to play around tanks focusing on minimizing losses and taking cover while they play the objective game rather than just tabling enemies. Like I said, it makes them feel tactical in a way other muhreens just don't anymore

>>715396548
>Age of Sigmar
Of course people would ignore it.

>>715384685
This is Nu Relic, I can wait 6+ months to (re)play it

The Space Marine one was bombed to oblivion

>>715395826
STARSCREAM!
YOU TREASONOUS DOG, NO!

Blood Ravens need to face the Thousand Snus and reject Magnus.

Even more kino they fight on the Planet of Sorcerers which ends with the Blood Ravens calling for an Exterminatus on the planet.

Bonus kino for the Minotaurs, Silver Skulls, Carcharodons, Sons of the Phoenix, Shadow Wolves, Covenant of Fire, Mortifactors, Storm Wardens, Marines Malevolent, Iron Snakes and Death Eagles also showing up.

>>715397498
worse is the number of shills at steam forums desperate to buy and accept the shitty 30% discount

>>715397775
>Thousand Snus

>>715397775
No.

>>715387232
play darktide and dawn of war

>>715384685
If it improves the optimization of Ultimate Apocalypse and Unification, maybe

>>715396548
>AOS

>>715397775
>Exterminatus
>in the heart of the Eye of Terror
Can they do that?

>>715397498
Relic was not affiliated with the Space Marine remaster.

>>715368993
>>715378154
Why do people say Commander Boreal is badly Voice acted? Imagine my dissapointment when I found out that space marines are not has hammy as him.

>>715399572
yeah SneakyBox and Sega

>>715396548
>Kills your 30 yo setting angering everybody, only to reasemble it from the fragments, but with a shitty makeover and so souless that would have been accused of being AI if had came out today.
>Look the High Elves are now the AElves, and we have Space Marines in fantasy too now!
>All of this only to walkback and bring back the revived old setting that you killed for no good reason, 10 years later after missing the potential TWWH golden wind

Trying to give AOS a chance had me baffled. What were they thinking?
Was doing all of this just to be able to trademark "Orruk" instead of Orc a good decision?

>>715392481
>mfw think 'Nids are boring as shit.
>Actually think Genestealers are pretty fucking cool despite being Chaos-lite.

>>715400003
Do people still play Old World besides old grognards?

>>715400003
It will never not be hysterical to me that GW killed the old world for AoS while at almost the same time TW and Vermintide gave the setting it's biggest boost in popularity ever.

classic warhammer was and is gay shit anyways, just a crappier version of LotR

>>715401092
You're gay and a crappier version of your father

>>715401480
Nah my dad beat the shit out me and my siblings and our pets and now we don't beat the shit out of all of the above.

>>715399741
Boreal had the hammy meme shit that made mockery easy, but the regular marines had fantastic voice acting that treated the game seriously which was good for the moment to moment gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WEFlQva30
>1:40 - Fear denies faith.
Always loved that line and its delivery

>>715400003
>Was doing all of this just to be able to trademark "Orruk" instead of Orc a good decision?
From a legal standpoint, yes.
Chapterhouse did irreperable damage to GW and we're still feeling the effects of it today.

>>715400452
That's not some kind of random chance, it's specifically the biggest example of what's often wrong with Warhammer games; GW only views games as a means of advertising tabletop. When Fantasy was killed off they didn't care about promoting it, so they let CA and Fatshark do whatever they felt like. Games since then have had significantly more GW 'oversight' to ensure everything promotes tabletop 'properly'. As long as the models look decent and accurate GW does not give a fuck about the rest of the game, and even actively tries to limit the quality of them to stifle popularity that could be seen as competition.
TWW3 is another huge example of this, and Cathay is the shining turd that resulted from it.

>>715394527
*converts ur shit model to be actually good*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Hz9uVdtXc

>Sony
https://youtu.be/VjbWYXGkMZk?si=u0zwV79KlnHzw-9l

>>715371874
>>715373534
Probably the best mod for DoW right now

>>715363061 (OP)

WE ARE TEH EMPRAHS FURYEH!

https://youtu.be/aPmn_Fn41sI?si=PmHH6bnpDjbGXGZf

>>715393458
>They will always be comedy relief no matter how many grimdark stories of them eating people are written.
Having funny accents while committing acts of extreme brutality is an entertaining dichotomy.
Besides the glimpse of them we see in the Astartes 2 trailer made them look plenty brutal.

>>715363061 (OP)
>posting this on /tg/ would get ignored or have you accused of being a content farmer
I miss when that board knew how to have fun...

>>715407835
/tg/ always hated 40k vidya
from their pov the vidya opened the gates to """secondaries""" who will never buy their plastic crack and never engage in the "true" version of 40k
at one point in /tg/'s early history they hated the blood ravens because the blood ravens were so popular in the early-mid 2000s they displaced all of the other first founding chapters

>>715405354
DoW Redux? Absolutely. It's the only Vanilla+ mod that actually FEELS good to play. The other popular one, DoWPro, is dogshit and not built with the AI in mind at all.

>>715407661
They look cunningly brutal here, but writers like orks that are brutally cunning.

>>715407835
>>715408475
Not quite, /40kg/ is just a shithole of baitposts and schizos now.

>>715386452
>DoW3 was the result of sega executives muscling in on Relic and demanding they chase trends
What fucking trends? I swear people regurgitate the most insane bullshit
>E-sports E-sports balance, balance E-sports
The fucking game didn't even a fucking spectator mode something that is critical for an active E-sports scene. Relic released a fucking barebones game but they were far from "chasing" trends.

>>715409696
Most of the schizos in /40kg/ were vindicated, first by the GW mandate that annihilated fan works in tandem with their own streaming service, and second by how continually dogshit the TTG has become in order to try and sucker in young blood. The problem is that schizos enjoyed things that pseudo-primaries hated.

So, when Alfabusa's Emperor TTS was killed, pseudo-primaries clapped. When squats came back, pseudo-primaries clapped. Who cares that Primaris exist now? Who cares that the plot is going forward in a retarded way specifically to spite Emperor TTS? /40kg/'s pseudo-primaries fuckin' OWNED those bitch-ass secondaries complaining about stupid shit REAL TTG players don't give a FUCK about. Who CARES that locals continually devolve into hugboxes, who CARES that the game is prohibitively expensive to play officially, who CARES that GW continually hates their players, GEEDUBS SUCCESSFULLY DICKSLAPPED /40kg/ SECONDARIES and they will NEVER RECOVER

Yeah, I'm mad. More mad than when my cousin Fish of Fury'd me like a little MECHA LOVING RETARDED FAGGOT IF YOU'RE OUT THERE KEVIN I WILL EVENTUALLY FIND OUT WHICH SECRET BASE YOU'RE ON YOU TURD BURGLAR AND I WILL DUMP ACETONE ON ALL OF YOUR HAMMERHEADS AND YOUR RIPTIDE

GIVE US A PLAYABLE TYRANID GAME YOU FUCKING COWARDS I will also settle for a GSC stealth game where you sabotage imperiumcucks

>>715410806
A video game controller for something like the Xbox or Switch can't handle all of the inputs necessary to make the bugs bug. I'm sorry bro... Tyranids are too complex for Games Workshop's current target demographic.

>>715410914
consoles holding back peak yet again

bruh i jus cant be doin dat zerg shit ong i just wanna parry shit man frfr like str8 up shoot shit no cap

>>715385764
500% agreed
i was expecting it to be on the original but they're fully cashing on this
im gonna wait for a giga discount, fuck that shit

>>715410806
Nobody gives a shit about xenos, they're background fodder.

>>715410507
As a wargaming fan who is a pure 40k secondary, I am pretty shocked by how terrible the 10e tabletop rules are. I am convinced you can show a game of 10e 40k to literally anyone who isn't already invested in the hobby and they will ask you why anyone would think this is fun
IGOUGO is a blight

>>715411751

>>715411976
I agree, as long as we both recognized IGUG is necessary for the lowest common denominator. Alt act makes it easier for players to miss activation / overwatch / abilities, which means the smarter, more attentive player has the advantage. That's what a strategy game is supposed to be: The smarter player wins. My schizo theory is that GW doesn't want 40K to be a strategy game, but rather a party game. Behold, 10e, where everything is folded in on itself and auto-pilots.

If anyone besides us wants to see what we're talking about, you can go to any battle report channel and see how much nothing 10e is. Tabletop Titans, Tabletop Tactics, Play on Tabletop, it doesn't matter, everything is boring and ass and all these channels do is show why you shouldn't get into 40k at all.

>>715411976
>IGOUGO is a blight
This is 50% of the reason I got into Kill Team instead of fullsize 40k when I wanted to start with wargaming

>>715412448
>If anyone besides us wants to see what we're talking about, you can go to any battle report channel and see how much nothing 10e is
Kek yup, I did this exact thing. Watched like 6 battle reports on Tabletop Tactics when I was thinking of dropping some money to get into 10e 40k and I was just like "wait what the fuck, I'm literally the target demographic and these guys are literally a full production studio trying to make an entertaining video for this game, and it just looks like it plays like dogshit"

>Have a friend that only plays 10th ed
>Want to really try out 2nd edition, since I started late 4th
>"Nah, let's keep playing 10th"
>He goes to a tournament that was listed as "casual"
>Meets the sweatiest, most disgusting WAACfags in existence, RAW this and RAW that, making stupid as shit plays because the rules allow them to (Not to mention terrain "footprints")
>Comes back to me a day later after he forfeits from it after 3 matches
>"... can we give 2nd ed a go?"
I think the worst part about 10th is that it is shit as a game and shit as an experience to play beers and pretzels casual matches with.

>>715410806
EVERY TYRANID DIES!!

>>715413095
Genuinely sorry for your bro but I'm glad you were there to catch him while he was acting like Icarus. I kept warning people behind the scenes that making WH40K dumber wouldn't make it more approachable for newcomers, it would only make it more exploitable for cheesers. Unfortunately, time proved me correct.

>>715413095
How do earlier editions of 40k compare to 10e?
Personally the main things I don't like about 10e is,
>No points for wargear
This rewards GW for basically making P2W gear without heed for cost on if they mechanically improve the unit that takes them (they always do)
>Lack of player interactivity
While you are waiting for the 15+ minutes it can sometimes take to resolve a fucking Move or Shoot phase, you don't have any options to respond to what the enemy player is doing outside of a very limited token economy with Strategems, and realistically the thing you're going to do most of the time is going to be Overwatching
>Advance rolls are retarded
In general taking an Advance removes the ability for the unit to Shoot or Charge, so by rolling for it instead of simplifying by saying "move 2x or 1.5x your listed Move" you are taking an unnecessary step that almost never matters for board tension. Charge rolls are an example of a good roll, because even an unlikely successful charge roll is one that could theoretically succeed, so it's a risk the other player has to account for; Advance rolls carry no such weight and simply slow down the game for no reason
>Battle Shock rolls almost don't even matter
Battle Shock is in this super fucking weird place where it seems to represent a unit's morale but its morale doesn't really affect it in any way you'd think it should affect it and only really mechanically matters if you either NEED to score an objective THAT ROUND, or you NEED to get a unit to disengage from another unit Fighting it. Several armies that I personally like (Tyranids, CSM) can play into inducing Battle Shock a bit but then you realize it just doesn't fucking matter in the majority of game scenarios.
I could probably list more things but I'm too lazy to

>>715413095
Some days. I am glad Battletech never became big. It managed to deter the WAACfags

>>715414993
Unfortunately another game I liked was Warmahordes, and that shit is intended for WAACfaggotry.

>>715382676
>>715384078
the night lords job a fair amount in those books and are whiny edgy losers almost the entire time, with exception to OC donut steel and best boy, Xarl. It is the chuddiest book ever written.

>>715414946
>Rogue Trader
Pepperidge Farm Remembers. It wasn't ALWAYS GRIMDARK ALL THE TIME. It was the 80s, man.
>2e
Overwatch trades your movement to interrupt enemy moves. Not all vehicles can turn on a dime
>3e
First horde armies. Made the game more streamlined (read: 40k's first lobotomy to sell figs)
>4e
Peak 40k. Absolute ludo. Some may even call it perfect.
>5e
lol
>6e
It's Warhammer Fantasy Battle IN SPAAAACE!! It's 3e all over again. Died within 2 years (!!!)
>7e
It's 6.5e. Made squats abhumans. It's Warhammer Fantasy. It was made to spite TTS.
>8e
REBOOTED THE ENTIRE GAME, FUCK YOUR OLD BOOKS NIGGA
>9e
It's 8.5e.

tl;dr just play 4e bro everything else is butthole

>>715415118
Is that why it died?

>>715415778
V3 was a fucking mess of a launch. If you can poke around on the net, you can find stories of the shitshow that unfolded.

>>715415701
>t. bugfucker

>>715415701
2nd edition is fun to see what kind of batshit insane rules are done, like flamers actually setting you on fire.
Also I concur with >>715415875 you are probably a nid player crying out in pain because they deleted the options to make your own tyranid brood types.
So am I, fuck GW.

>>715382676
>>715384078
>>715415483
Zso Sahaal > Talos

>>715415875
>>715415938
watch you're fucking tone with me or i will add you to my biomass

Favorite chapter?

>>715416143
First Founding: Imperial Fists
Any Founding: Lamenters

>>715416143
Really underrated imo, having the most based Primarch also helps

>>715416143
Grey Knights
They take the space-paladin theme I like about Muhreens and run with it
Black Templars eh a pretty cool guys too

>>715416016
>Old Raptors
>iconic slim helmet, aerodynamic jumppack that resembles folded wings, talons for feet.
>new raptors
>normal helmet, jumpjet is two ugly beer barrels strapped together, boots sometimes get some metal bits if they're lucky
Throw it all away.

>>715400360
Nobody ever did, you just have 3rd worlders defend it online

So it may sound extremely retarded, but since Space King is a thing, you think GW will eventually revive old school Rogue Trader as its own thing a la blood bowl, as some sort of a sillier spin off?

>>715402659
I listened to this and wanted to paint the map once again
lost technologies of the ancients

>>715416143
If we're allowing deathwatch I'd choose it but otherwise blood angels. No particular reason I just have a hardon for jetpacks and up close violence

>>715416143
Chapter?

>>715416143
only good marine is a dead marine

>>715396548
As much as people shit on AoS it can't be all bad right? I don't know much about it but at least the fish elves seemed kinda novel?

>>715417035
Highly unlikely. Nu Blood Bowl and Old World exist because of the incredibly intense negative reaction to late fantasy and early AoS, and were greenlit in one of GW's more reasonable eras. But now we're back to GW being turbocunts that continue to pretend that there has never been a 40k before 10th edition.

>>715419552
Early AoS really was that bad. Literally no rules or lore or anything. But it's gotten a lot better (3rd edition was legitimately good) especially since pretty much everyone has shiny new model ranges. However it's been on a backslide recently since 4th edition fell for the same shrimplification meme as 40k 10th and GW decided to squat a bunch of units that only came out like 18 months prior.

>>715408475
The "true version" of 40k is a shitty tabletop game where one entire fucking side does their entire sequence of actions and shoots then assaults the other off the table
tg was almost universally gigashitters at competitve rts which is why they hated dow

>>715420572
/tg/ loved DOW what are you on about?

>>715420772
they loved retarded memes from dow and that was it

>>715365269
AL went full schizo. In the present, there are:

>Traitors pretending to be loyalists
>Loyalists pretending to be traitors
>Traitors pretending to be loyalists pretending to be traitors
>30k traitors shot into 40k and effectively becoming renegades
>Warbands of full-blown heretics dedicated to singular chaos gods with monolithic meatheads, rusemen, etc
>Warbands of legionaries LARPing as Alpharius
>Traitor legion loyalist chapters from marines tired of this shit possibly still existing

>Warhammer Fantasy has Ghal Maraz
>Warhammer 40k has ???
Explain this shit to me. The Emperor used a sword and never depicted using a warhammer.

>>715421104
>everyone shut the fuck up
>I'm trying to remember which side I'm on

>>715421423
fantasy was first. 40k was the spin off. that's it, that's why one has a eponymous warhammer and the other doesn't.

>>715421462
30k's tabletop rules for AL are also lulzy

>Alpharius outright lacks a Loyalist/Traitor keyword
>Exodus is a named sniper character who doesn't have the unique keyword, so you can technically take multiples of him
>Rules to take any unique unit another legion has and field them
>In 2.0, Power Daggers can be bought for any AL character, which can include the warlord Dreadnought in the one rite that lets you spam them, and a 'Loyalist' Warlord trait where you gain a little VP if your allies all get tabled

>>715367590
>>when Orks had innate psychic powers that made their stupidity the reason their technology worked
Wdym? Isn't this still the case?

>>715416143
both chapters in this image

I can't tell if I really like or really hate Rogue Trader.
It's like simultaneously really well made and really badly made.

>>715367590
Talking necron is so dumb. They lost the unreasonable unstoppable lovecraftian terminators they used to have. In its place, we got stupid reddit characters like trazyn the mcguffin.

>>715415483
>the chuddiest book ever written.
You meant to type legion right?

>>715422024
Man the leotard color scheme is not a good look

>>715369890
>Emperor's Children
They are supposed to be high IQ doe. Death guards were the the actual retards. Even their tactic screams retardation.

DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?

>>715363061 (OP)
BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE

>>715367383
BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE

>>715419821
I love some parts of AoS. Like with Stormcasts who are immortal and always come back, but each time less and less of them remains until they're almost just warrior automatons.

>>715416143
Flesh tearers:
>chapter master is a cunt to everyone but knowing his story he's actually stelwart because he wants to guide his men to a glorious death

>they aren't exactly like their genefather wanted them to be unlike 95% of the chapter

>hate primaris

>Rip and tear tyranids

>>715424270
>hate primaris
Too late, Seth already cucked.
As you can imagine, someone being "racist" in a story usually isn't in favor of supporting racism by the author

>>715419821
>shrimplification meme as 40k 10th
Honestly this shit started around 8th 40k.
>GW decided to continue this shit for HH 3th edition
Why are GW just incapable of leaving things alone.

>>715424270
>Hate Primaris

Yadda yadda yadda should've been a new armor variant not "Marines, but better" yet a whole new narrative arc could've been had that Bobby G causing a whole new schism with the Astartes as he attempts to force these new, untested, and hitherto unseen force of Marines (who largely have Ultramarine gene seed) into every chapter still active. What was that one Blood Angels novel where the character remarks how without the trials and rituals of the chapter, they'd be little more than Ultramarines in red armor? That would've been a great sub story about the Primaris to ground them into the rest of the setting instead of "everyone gladly accepted the new guys because we said so". Guillimans biggest character flaw is his constant desire to micromanage everything and refusal to listen to criticism, even from his fellow Primarchs.

>>715425874
yeah it's gabirel seth which says that

>>715416143
Blood angels the only other loyalist chapters I like are the Black templars and the Marines Malevolent because I find their scumbag behavior a breath of fresh air from people wanking off to the wholesome chungus Salamanders, and GW force feeding us Ultramarines 24/7

>>715424270
They're idiots who embrace the worst aspect of Blood Angels and see it as a positive. Their only merit is they're the polar opposites of Lamenters while coming from the same source.

>>715426191
They see it as a struggle strengthening their bodies, doesn't mean they are right but I hate squeaqy clean marines who do no wrong

>>715422349
EC were that at one point. Turns out hookers and blow will fuck up your mind beyond repair.

>>715396548
Still have no idea who this setting is supposed to appeal to

>>715394992
They are supposedly leagues more advanced than anything humanity has.
Wraithlords are incredibly nimble and fast.
But as with everything Eldar, they shatter when someone farts in their general direction when an important character/event is near.

>>715389198
>game
Franchise. Hell TWO even become a deamon prince.

>>715426843
It was GW trying to make the more grounded setting of Fantasy into magical 40k, and it was met with some....controversy. That's the diplomatic description.

>>715384685
Get?
It's fucking free for those who own the games you mouthbreather
and who the fuck doesn't own the trilogy that has been on sale for 5 dollars or so

>>715386725

Blood Ravens
Minotaurs
Silver Skulls
Carcharodons
Sons of the Phoenix
Shadow Wolves

Warhammer are for men what romance novels are for women. Youre all just playing with dolls while being out of shape subhumans irl.

>>715430482
but I yearn for your approval!

>>715430482
i read romance manga as a man though

>>715430482
>romance novels
girls play love and deep space grandpa

Tabletop game threads being the only threads on /v/ that are 500+ posts of pure discussion is the perfect example of how much /v/ loathes videogames.

>>715430769
and no tau coomer in sight, also /tg/ is shill hell full of generals. better here

>>715422203
Oldcrons were boring. They were just Tyranids but backwards.

Who the fuck likes the Votann anyway? I think they should have been a sidegrade/auxiliary to the Tau so they gain access to definitely not psykers.

>>715419552
Outside of a few models it really is that bad. It has no actual narrative, the game sucks to play, and every time GW brings it up it comes off entirely forced with no natural care put behind it. It's very much a 'If they could pull the plug they would' situation, especially considering Old World is outselling it now.

>>715430974
I have arrived

How did every single Relic game have 10/10 voice acting?

>>715431418
My only guess are people who really like dwarves/squats. The design language for a lot of their infantry units is all over the place and they barely have lore. Like Jesus, just pick one and make it cool.

>>715419552
The most flattery I've ever seen for AoS is regarding its models and its equivalent to Combat Patrol apparently being highly competent. But it's not the main game.

>>715414993
As someone who played 2nd ed 40k back in the day it was astonishingly easy for me to pick up Battletech, all the modifiers and range rules are second nature.
It's like riding a bike in 2nd ed so it has its own armor values and datafax and if it gets hit it spins out and crashes but then the rider can get up and keep fighting if he survives

did you play gladius?

>>715432687
People who like Squats think the Votann are too fucking boring, they're basically just Deep Rock Galactic dorfs in 40k.
They have bikes but they're lame and they have big dumb sterile mining vehicles instead of land trains or any cool shit like that that they used to have in Epic.

>>715367590
I member when "necron" was just a skelly dude dude in a lineup of other weirdo xenos on a codex page.
I remember it because it's near the codex page a prioress is using a bone-hurting pen to write out litanies. You know, just cuz why not.

>>715389613
>every "campaign" is just the same missions
>practically every mission is the same "go here, fight a boss" with an optional capture objective
>half the characters aren't even voiced outside of their default unit lines
Retribution was a massive letdown. Ork campaign was kind of funny but the rest are just lame.

>>715389198
>Khornate sorcerers
Khorne is a well known hypocrite when it comes to magic

>>715415938
A good amount of Chaos players despise 5E because it got rid of the ability to make legion-specific armies and around 75% of wargear options for characters in favor of more streamlining,
I know, I'm one of them

I'm actually surprised to find out that despite their popularity from Dawn of War, the Blood Ravens don't have an official codex from Games Workshop but they are featured in a handful of books and White Dwarf pages that Games Workshop went out of their way to promote them.

Kinda retarded desu, all those DoW vidya players would have bought small armies if they can actually play them.

>>715433773
Like >>715404697 said, GW sees their own video games as competition for their minis.
I guarantee the idea of a Blood Ravens codex has come up only for some GW exec to go "but if we make minis for the video game army, people will just say "why don't I play the video game instead?" and we'll lose money"

>>715389198
>>715433117
To their credit, the "gore mages" as they are called by Khorne worshippers are treated with disdain and revulsion just like how most faithful imperials treat psykers and unlike how tzeentch worshippers elevate their sorcerers. Obviously they use those sorcerers strictly out of necessity for not being outclassed psychically. I think it is neat.

>>715430974
>53 fucking generals
By Sigmar, NO

>>715434471
IT IS THE WILL OF THE UNPAID LABORERES YOU VIL LIKE IT

>>715434492
https://vocaroo.com/1mVvCs0NrsCy

>>715434869
bless Saltz's VA, did you know he's a noble

I still desire a new Eldae game.

>>715433932
>"why don't I play the video game instead?" and we'll lose money"
He's 100% correct.
Videogames and tabletop games are mutually exclusive; the big mistake was making videogames based on tabletop properties in the first place.

>>715430769
I'm not surprised. Actual /tg/ has became an even more miserable board. They will bitterly accuse everywhich reasom for the board being dead, not realizing they themselves are the problem.

>blood ravens codex for 11th edition
>confirmed loyalist thousand snus rebrand post-heresy
>psyker heavy and using other chapter's gear
>named hq: gaben angelos, jonah orion, hairgel, apollo diomedes
>other named characters: tarkus, cyrus, thaddeus, martellus
>special vehicles: none, they can take from other spess mehreen chapters

>>715436572
I hate to break it to you anon, but Blood Ravens are Word Bearers.

>>715436897
they're not religious and don't worship the emprah as a god

>>715436897
Christ, can you fuck off already?
Every thread with the same faggotry

>>715436572
Sorry, modern 40k writers don't like loyalist traitor legion chapters.

>>715436959
>Constantly searching for the truth behind themselves
>Willing and able to use Chaos artifacts as soon as they're recovered
>Lorgar was a psyker, aligning with their higher psychic development
>Kyras' fall was a religious epiphany about the nature of the galaxy; he discovered the Truth

>>715437223
They don't hate the Ultramarines
They're not bible thumpers
Any Space Marine can use Chaos artifacts, see Emperor's Children
They value knowledge above all else, not religious dogma
They don't care about the old ways, the pantheon or the primordial truth
They're frens with the Raven Guard

>>715437223
I haven't seen this much grasping at straw since the EU ended climate change

How did they steal GK and Custodian armour THOUGH

>>715437325
>They don't know that they're Word Bearers, even then none of them would know of Monarchia
>Emperor's Children are a traitor legion
>Knowledge is what Lorgar sought, religion was the answer he found
>Again, they don't know that they're Word Bearers. Even then;
https://youtu.be/AbmDLVFAaec?si=MfGzjHbhGUX0dam3

>>715434265
Also kinda need sorcerers to summon daemons

>tfw the villains of the DoW campaign are the fucking Alpha Legion.

>>715437772
In WA it was Black Legion, and in DC it was Word Bearers.

>>715437849
But in all cases, they are just treated as the generic Black Legion-tier faction.

>>715437772
>Alpha Legion sorcerer who wants to summon a Khorne greater daemon
>Black Legion who wants to acquire a fallen titan's weapon arm
>Word Bearers who just want to sacrifice the entire subsystem
>Black Legion led by an ex-Word Bearer because of Abaddon, same mission as the previous one

>>715437325
>Their home planet was named Aurelia, similar to Word Bearer Primarch Aurelian.
>Eliphas the Inheritor, fought Ultramarines on Kronus 10,000 years ago, the same planet the Blood Ravens desperately want to purge before anything damning gets leaked.
>Eliphas calls them brother and taunts their lineage. Acts very personal to them.
>"Knowledge is power, guard it well." is a direct quote from Erebus
Whether or not a book claims otherwise after the fact. The original games suggest otherwise.

>>715438309
Monarchia should have been Exterminatus'd

>>715437962
World Eaters wanted to control of the Titan's Arm.

>>715438454
CALTH WAS AN ACT OF SELF DEFENSE

word bearers are cringe
imagine jobbing to a battered raven guard and a small detachment of ultrasmurfs

>>715437748
I don't know about that. The lore is so flimsy that just about anyone can summon daemons (atleast into another person or themselves) as long as they are weak minded but willing to commit some unspeakable atrocities.

>>715438549
Eternal reminder.

>>715416143
FUCK TAXES

>>715390352
Wrong. Zahndrekh and Obyron are a lot more interesting.

>>715438624
Actually word bearers are going to end up being a loyalist chapter after all. They wanted the emperor to be a god so that he could end chaos and they're almost about to achieve it.

>>715432356
The voice director responsible probably left before DoW3, they couldn't even get the original VAs for Gabe and CHAPLAIN DIOMEDES
>>715437849
WA was World Eaters, which made the notion of using sorcerors to hypnotize PoW Guardsmen into a sacrificial pit even more nonsensical

>>715436519
I cannot tell you which is more loathsome - fa/tg/uys or the jannies who rule over them.

>>715439135
>Abaddon launches the 14th Black Crusade aimed squarely at Terra
>Roboute, Lion, and Dante are being utterly pushed back by the combined strength of all four Cult Primarchs and Abaddon, with the war coming directly yo the Imperial Palace
>Suddenly Lorgar and the Word Bearers appear from the Emperor's Webway Gate
>Instead of attacking the loyalists, they start beating the shit out of Abaddon's forces since the Bearers have mostly remained consolidated and united since the Heresy while rarely going on costly campaigns
>Lorgar's fw he walks past Guilliman to smash Fulgrim's face in

I miss Text to Speech....

>>715439767
>>715438309
the War Born were right to bomb Monarchia.

>>715439767
>"My spirit will rise from the Immaterium, and the whole galaxy will know that I was right."

>>715439889
I don't, it was getting too fanficcy for me

>>715439767
This could happen. All Lorgar has done is meditate for 10000 years. The emperor could reach him in the warp and redeem him but the thing with corvus makes me doubt it.

>>715439767
and then he says word bearers assemble

>>715416143
Taker of Heads is KINO

>>715439889
>Ended right before the Ynnari arc
I dunno man, maybe it was for the best

>>715416143
>>715438714
I love the secessionists.

>>715440665
>Chapter Master got killed by a random Howling Banshee Exarch
Lul

>>715440757
Did a sloptuber recently make a video on them or something?

>>715416143
Black Templars.
is there even competition?

>>715416143
My homebrew

>>715441034
AYO WE WUZ SIGISMUND AND SHIT

>>715441034
Did you post that image ironically

>>715441121
No.

>>715384685
I'll get it just for the modern camera desu

>>715432307
40k started going to shit BECUASE GW started focusing on a narrative. Fantasy and 40k work best as a setting, from which the players can make their own stories with their armies and games. It's also a good place for writers to make stories that can do just about anything. Having a narrative that has to go forward means it stops being about the broad strokes, and more about a few particular individuals. It's why the primarchs are coming back and why entire armies are now represented by a handful of named characters who are often significantly more powerful than the basic HQ options.

It's the marvelization of Warhammer.

Does anyone have that necron comic of the deadpan old necron emerging from its rest and waking up to some other necrons pulling up in a sports car and shades saying "Check it, we have emotions and shit now dog." I swear it's been scrubbed from the internet and I can't find it anymore.

>>715416143
FOR THE EMPERAH AND THE KHAN!

>>715441425
Primarchs are cool. Cope, xenos fan.

>>715442104
marvel

>>715421756
>INB4 40K Endtimes
>To join the final fight, The God Emperor has his soul forged into a mighty weapon for Sillyman to wield

>A Warhammer

>>715441425
You are such a fucking retard
Progression in the setting is the ONLY good thing that has happened and you're complaining about it
Seek treatment for your autism. It's not normal to find the same stale shit interesting for 20 years.

>>715442148
You're the mouth breathing retard that's responsible for every stupid ass idea that GW has done since 7th edition and the death of Fantasy. Go back to your Hollywood slop. It's what you deserve.

>>715441425
Yup. But secondaries will disagree. They are a normalfag plague upon my hobby.

>>715442148
You're ALSO the same kind of retard that doesn't understand that the more you "progress" a setting known for being largely static, it starts to create all kinds of new problems as entire throughlines are just dropped because none of the new writers even keep track of the shit their writing at all. Half of it just gets forgotten or thrown under the table. You'd be the retard to look at all the new shit that's happened to Star Wars as well and think "yep, this is what the setting needed. Evil Jedi, morally grey Sith, and lots of gay women in charge of everything" Fucking retard la la homo faggot man.

>>715416143

>Wah wah wah my hobby isn't made for ME anymore, wah wah wah

Last I checked the God Emperor of Mandkind doesn't appreciate bitchy niggers whining about everything under the sun of Holy Terra.

>>715442468
You couldn't just stick to one strawman, you had to throw up multiple? Really, dude?

>>715442141
>40K Endtimes
You mean Guiliman's Return and moving the timeline to Warhammer 42k, that already happened?

i have sex with dark eldar
all of them

>>715442558
warhammer 69k when

>>715384685
If it's 20 bucks or less I'll consider it. The thought of a version of UA that doesn't run like complete shit is tempting.

>>715442990
>jeetcode
>better performance
Anon...

>>715443062
It's done by Relic itself.

>>715416143
>>715438714
Pay your fucking taxes

>>715442558
why did they skip 41k??

>>715443145
>2019
>could only be worse now

>>715443397
We'll see.

>>715443397
are you really assmad about breast cancer charities

>>715441087
Oh cool an original cha-
>black and red
really anon? Couldn't come up with anything more creative?

>>715443506
There isn't a single man in that picture with an ounce of testosterone.

GW should release an Eldar dating sim. That would cause Eldar model sales to skyrocket overnight.

>>715443587
what about that homeless crackhead in the off-white

>>715443397
>once great studio
>fell out of touch with its audience a decade ago
>now it's all fags and women and jeets
Every studio following this pattern should have their IPs seized and handed over to competent and passionate devs

>>715443535
Every scheme has been done already anyways. I just like Black and Red, sue me.

>>715443623
enjoy your monkey paw'd Eldrad VN for april 1

>>715443663
He looks like he takes it up the rear

>>715443721
Legal notice is on its way boring color scheme aside you did a good job with the painting and I like your conversions

>>715441425
>BECUASE GW started focusing on a narrative.
and that's a good thing. Although most of black library is slop, there are some good 40k books out there because of the narrative focus.

>>715384490
Yeah nobody like perty, not even the iron warriors lmao

Think the only primarch more hated by his own men is Angron

>>715442148
tourist

>>715384685
Didn't they say it was free for everyone who already owned dark crusade?

>>715363061 (OP)
ELIPHAS, OPEN THE PORTAL!

>>715384685
Honest question
I already have Dawn of war and all it's expansions is there any reason to buy this ?

>>715444065
>Expect campy quirky pilot adventure
>Get an absurd logistical nightmare showing how threatening the Eldar really are as everything goes into a downward spiral
I was pleasantly surprised

>>715443901
Well my homebrew lore is that they are essentially Inquisition lackeys, so the black and red fits with my Inquisitors at least, but yes I know its a bit of a cop out for color schemes. I'm not the best at color theory.

>A VIOLENT FATE, A HIDDEN WAR
>SUCH IS THE FUTURE OF ALL THOSE WHO ANSWER THE CALL
>INQUISITION DAEMON HUNT

>>715384685
I own the original and to be honest that remaster doesn't really look much different at all. Original game with 4gb patch runs perfectly fine with all the mods I tried, so I don't really see any reason to get this.

>>715445175
What I would give for GW to update the grey knight models...

>>715444651
I highly recommend Peter fehervarri's books. His writing has surpassed Dan Abnett's some time ago.

WIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTNNNNNEEEEESSSSSSSSS


YOURRRR


DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>715445647
Don't listen to this anon, it's a trick to waste your time.

>>715422024
Why every time they talk about why the Marines Malevolent are so bad they mention refugee camp and not much else
Like, they are space marines, aside from the salamanders and maybe poster boys, most of them do controversial stuff to say the least

And who are the space marines beside them?
They are not black templars are they?

>>715446360
Can you tell me what made you dislike the books? I personally don't think anyone has done chaos better than him.

>>715446798
Red Scorpions

>>715447060
>Red Scorpions
I heard people compare them to nazis
But underrated chapter in terms of how powerful they are

>>715446798
Modern GW wants to push the 'Marines are sup duper heroic! Buy the models!' really hard. Most Marine factions no longer do dark or questionable stuff.

>>715447315
>QT Tau woman walks up to space Marines
>Straight up tells them that the other Tau don't fuck with her
>Tells that that based on how they carry themselves and dress, she can tell they have an honor code
>Asks them if their king of kings would approve of them killing a defenseless woman who comes in peace, if that would be considered honorable
>Space marine says yes
>Goomba stomps her into paste

Honestly one of the hardest moments I've seen

>>715447604
fun game. I liked how bullshit you got at higher levels and the assassins DLC was very good. dreadnaut/tech marine DLC was average tho.

>>715447604
Every time I see that model I think there's a new 40K porn game or something

>>715438496

>>715447315
Many things go through this process after becoming popular
>>715447653
That's lame because he listened to some tau
Imagine a black templar

>>715431148
and that's kino

>>715447934
boob studs

>>715447653
I think the marine that was asked the question was quietly thinking about it, one of his battle brothers shot her or mauled her without hesitation.

>>715363061 (OP)
idea for a """new""" 40k game
Custodes Dynasty Warriors
>classes/heroes are based on custodes wargear and other shieldhosts, "normal" guardian, jetpack using Venatari, an allarus boi with a big fuck off axe, and maybe even a dreadnought, shit like that
>you and your shieldhost are sent to a backwater world due to a vision of a great calamity set to take place there from the Emperor
>fuedal or feral world if you want to be blatant about copying facing orks or maybe a non-traitor astartes backed chaos uprising
>lots of fodder enemies for the golden host to cut through, with a few tougher baddies interspersed
>then The 40k Twist™ happens, but instead of Chaos being the greater threat, its a Necron tomb world you and your buds need to violently put back to sleep as quickly as possible
and while I'm dreaming up impossible fantasies, how about having the world be a planet of loyal beastmen that are normally more than happy to die for the Guard, but are now honored beyond words that the Emperor's own protectors have come to bless their benighted world

>>715448596
The marine in question was thinking
"What the fuck does she know so much about us?" Which was sparking curiosity so he was sorta hearing her out but was still planning on killing her. One of his battle brothers did the "right" thing and just killed her

>>715448596
>>715448858
and the marine that killed her was Cato Sicarius iirc

>>715431148
Oldcrons were def cooler but they had no personality which meant they had no real agency so there was no real difference between armies/dynasties. Making them tomb kings in space kinda mellowed them out too much but now they have a whole slew of options.

But it does create a plot hole on why the Eldar hate them so much since newcrons are extremely reasonable

>>715421104
that's a lie btw.

>>715365269
The game isn’t very lore accurate but was still a very good entry point to 40k for its time. Id always thought they chose Alpha Legion because killing this war band off wouldn’t impact the setting at all. Relic also loved khorne sorcerers, including putting world eaters aligned ones in the first expansion, so it shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

>>715416143
>>715416261
>>715441876
my brothers in gene seed

>>715449287
I don't like him he's too perfect he has 0 flaw

>>715387603
That trailer was top tier platinum giga-kino when it dropped, still is

>>715449021
>But it does create a plot hole on why the Eldar hate them so much since newcrons are extremely reasonable
That's because nobody gives a fuck about Eldar, including GW, and that 'rivalry' has been completely forgotten.

I wish the devs didn't drop the ball with speedfreeks bros
the beta was fun, yet someone had the bright idea to fuck up matchmaking by being overzealous with matching players with bots
the result: lots of unfun games where one side is all or mostly humans while other side is half bots
needless to say the game died fast

>>715447653
The Tau woman was hiding a pistol to try and get close, anon. Cato didn't do anything wrong there.

>>715449213
>Isn't very lore accurate
>100 BaneBlades LOST
>Khorne Sorcerers

>>715449339
his flaw is that his way of life is not sustainable once he runs out of enemies to chase after. being physically and mentally unable to settle the fuck down would ultimately lead him into conflict with the Imperium. other than that he is extremely sound in his decisionmaking, which ironically led him having to join the Emperor's cause despite being incompatible with it, which I also see as a flaw in a sense.

>>715449021
>>715367590
>>715369236
>>715422203
>But it does create a plot hole on why the Eldar hate them so much since newcrons are extremely reasonable
The biggest thing everyone seems to forget about nucrons is that they're still murder hobos with massive stockpiles of horrifying incomprehensible sci-fi weapons. The only thing thats really changed is that they pretend to be polite while they disintegrate your family and shove robot bugs into your brain.

>>715449682
rrrrrrrright... I much prefer the Lion

>>715449682
And his way of getting lost chasing some pirates from a minor faction is hard to describe
The others had at least better reasons even most were not good either

I get it that they want to make it easy to return him if they wished so, but still.
Even more so when we talk about the one who supposed to be the reasonable of the bunch

flesh is strong

>>715451074
even though*

Pariahs as a Necron unit got ret con's right?

chaos respawn is so dumb it removes all stakes from everything why doesn't a specific chaos character just keep gunning for the person that killed them until they die from war of attrition?

>>715451376
totally gone.

>>715451391
Galaxy is a big place

>>715451391
because they are unironically incapable of thinking that far ahead
even if they do swear eternal vengeance or something like that, something else will come and take their attention before they can act on it
even things like Drach'nyen are more conceptual than the character making the choice. The End of Empires is meant to kill the Emperor of the greatest Empire, rather than the daemon choosing to attack the Emperor of his own will

>>715451391
Because the Gods don't care about winning as much as they care about having fun. If the chaos gods pooled their efforts they can easily win, but they're fickle. They can also let ally with each other for so long.

And they can only favor individuals for as long as they entertain them. A chaos marine or demon who fails can/will be tortured on their return or even made into a lesser creature. It's also implied they lose some degree of power

>>715363061 (OP)
does the red lights built into his suit to make his head glow like that offer any tactical advantage?

>>715451674
It's to bait snipers into taking a shot at his thick skull

>>715451134
Metal rusts
Flesh adapts

>>715365269
It makes a lot more sense when you realize that the game came out during 4th edition, meaning a lot of the HH writing doesn't apply It also means the C'tan weren't shards
>>715451376
They haven't been a thing since 2008

Is the -30% discount permanent or during release week only?

Will it stack with future Steam sales? Relic fucked up CoH3 bigly and even Space Marine 1 remastered.

for the empress

>>715452239
>be Emprah
>have sex with millions of women throughout the ages
>never interact with your own biological children, especially when they display insane superhuman abilities and extremely long lifespans
>don't tell the Primarchs, Malcador or anyone about this fact
>their successors hunt down your actual biological children to extinction

>>715449434
would be cool if it played even more like Cel Damage
underrated Gamecube title

>>715402659
https://youtu.be/LxTk3ZteGg8?t=123
>COME, SHOW ME WHAT PASSES FOR FURY AMONG YOUR MISBEGOTTEN KIND

Space Marines are the most boring part of 40k, yet all the normalfags obsess over them and by now like 90% of 40k content is mehreens
I don't get it

>>715452968
Because they're cool.

>>715452968
No one cares about xeno scum

It's Space Marines or generic army men who die in the quadrillions daily

>>715451856
You can replace metal and squash bugs

>>715452968
Some chapters are kinda neat but I agree

>>715452239
>>715452325
reeks of loneliness

>>715452968
(you) are the most boring part of 40K discussion online

>>715452968
You're an unfortunate hipster. Star Trek might be more your speed.

In addition to space marines there's uh
>fantasy orks in space
>mecha shit
>gray goo aliens
>soviet military
>fantasy elves in space
I'll stick to ultra marines thank you very much

>>715454208
>scheming ancient space elves
>fun loving orcs with entertaining lore
>horrific constantly mutating alien swarms that can infilitrate and subvert entire systems
>desperate every man fighting for his naked survival against horrors beyond his comprehension
or
>space zelots screaming FOR DA EMPRAH :DDDD all day every day

>>715454208
I love mecha shit but the hunchback knights in 40K don't do it for me

>>715447934
>that ending

I want an eldar game

>>715455373
You got one in 1999. Eldar aren't important enough for a second one.

>>715455453
BUT I WANT A SECOND ONE
And a second tau game
and Blood and Teef 2

>>715455502
Well too bad. Every xenos-focused game is a colossal flop. They're NPC factions.

>>715455502
Got a proper giggle when this came out of nowhere

FEAR ENSURES LOYALTY

WHERE DO YOU NEED ME

>>715369890
AL of 40k are more retarded than the AL of 30k that everyone gets their lore info from

>>715387232
Don't. All the good content is fan made and GW actively tries killing big projects.

>>715444415
or Curze

it's time to face the truth, they're all retarded.

>>715382676
their primarch was a shizo, basically completely broken before big-e found him, just like angron. he had foresight but could not handle it/interpreted it in the worst way possible.
the whole stick of the night lords was compliant planets without much collateral damage, this is something they absolutely excelled at. they blew every other legion out of the park with how little they accidentally killed civilians/damaged infrastructure because they just went on a planet, skinned some select kids, hung up their hands on a tree/made a skinblanket for the resident building of the planets rulers and broadcasted the recorded screams of their kids ending the transmission with a "and tomorrow we´ll do it again" - planet surrenders
other legions killed thousands or hundredthousands when taking a planet, the nightlords took hundreds, sometimes even less. the "old guard" of the night lords actually argued that they are the most ethical legion.
this completely fell apart when the fear their primarch instilled left his homeworld with him, the planet became a criminal shithole again and the new night lords recruits where just a bunch of gangers. this is when the skinning for fun started.
and to get back to the main point: yes they fucking suck. as far as being a space marine goes, they are by far the worst space marines out of the legions. they scared mortals, thats what they where designed to do. they did hardly engage dangerous xenos or actually practice their craft in brotherly duels. they practiced painting on a wall with a corpse as a brush, not actual combat.
when the heresy started they got sent to deal with the dark angels and the night lords got fucking bodied. they lost every single battle, the disparity between those two legions was comically huge. in 40k they are a bunch of splintered warbands with internal leadership problems being the norm that accomplish jack shit outside of barely staying alive.

>>715459692
This is all fine and good but the nightlords still fucking suck for regular people.
a legion of laser focused human oppressors and slaughterers and now they've got chaos juice to make them even better at it.
if anything they're worse now since they don't larp as good anymore and just knuckle down on tormenting regular people because it's what they're good at.

>>715387368
>>wargame red dragon but 40k
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3351553664&searchtext=

>>715459960
well yeah, its horrible if it happens to you, but in the scheme of things they are a sad joke.
i love them btw, one of the most interesting legions, favorite traitor legion next to the absolutely not corrupted, mature and based iron warriors

>>715456127
yeah people hype the AL up way too much. the 40k inquisitor arpg with the godawful knight sections that make me not want to play it again have a great depiction of the alpha legion, with them having cryptic journals lying around with "i had another madness today, it was my third madness i think"
i like to think that just everything goes with AL. you have some that are 100% loyalist and working on some convoluted plan to aid humanity and some that completely lost it, flailing around in chaos induced delusions begging for a demon to peg them.

>>715363061 (OP)
>Tell my tale to those who ask. *snorts* Tell it truly *snorts*, the ill deeds, along with the good, and *snorts* let me be judged accordingly. The rest *snorts* is silence.

>>715459692
How do these psychopaths even replenish their numbers?

>>715459692
Iron warriors are based though
If Big E had given them the slightest bit of respect they would still be loyalists today

>>715462015
they groom kids
Marines are LGBT coded.

>>715462015
same way other traitor legions do. weird rituals on cultists and unlucky fuckers they find worthy and less specialized legions will take defectors.

>>715462015
lol lmao. they are constantly dwindling. they are basically just still around because they only engage in fights when they are mega desperate or are 1000% sure they will win (they miscalculate often)
but the night lords are at least accurately depicted as desperate pirates.
god knows why and how the world eaters are still around.

>>715363061 (OP)
What was his problem?
I'm playing Soulstorm right now and desu it is better then Dark Crusade. What should I expect of Dawn Of War II? I'm also new to the whole Warhammer franchise, just finished Eisenhorn Xenos, what are your recommendations to read/play next Anons?

>>715462112
well in terms of active loyalist chapters with possibly maybe traitor geneseed pertys is probably the most prominent

>>715462482
WE kidnap loyalist marines and force the nails on them and in other cases use clones or just recruit like crazy

>>715462581
when you are finnished with eisenhorn, ravenor. you can skip pariah (dan abnett vanished into his own rectum around that time)
the gaunts ghosts are way too mary suey for my taste. its supposed to be about the imperial guard but all the mortal characters are superhuman accomplishing insane feats all the time.
i liked the heresy books overall, but there are some real duds in there (dark angel books suck) and its a lot, dont actually buy them, download it for some e-book or something. its 70+ books 15€ each its insane.

>>715463172
nigga i started counting during the heresy
the amount angron alone killed during the heresy was already concerning

>>715463317
>the loyalist WEs say fuck it and charge at Angron on Istavaan 3.
Angron's kill count was insane.

>>715463778
his trackrecord vs other primarchs is pathetic though. big-e not immediatly putting angron out of his misery after recovering him is one of the bigger plot holes in 30k

>>715374487
>>715375128
lorgar is getting regular beatings from raven raven in the warp. 10k years later, still getting stuffed in the locker.