Sure, some new ones are still being made, but overall it feels like the scene is dead.
Because there aren't any actual gamers left, it's all just niggas who play the most easiest ""games"" imaginable or shit like animal crossing
>>715375496 (OP)It doesnt really appeal to anyone to autistically grind a combo into muscle memory, especially with shorter and shorter attention spans.
>>715375496 (OP)Because most of the population aren't 40 year old Naggers that grew up with the dead genre.
Sorry we don't want to spend 5 hours autistically figuring out touch of death combos or be ToD'd ourselves.
>>715375496 (OP)is that a real skill? throwing a nazi sign at people is kinda cool, i miss when fighting games did wacky stuff
>>715375496 (OP)better games and better lifestyles.
fighting games like in the OP pic aren't as fun as other games, they appeal to an aging market that got into them as kids. plus people have better lifestyles now, the autistic focus you need to get good at them is going and being focused on going to the gym.
play a shitty genre obsessively or play fun games and get fit? i wonder why they're dying.
EVO is in 20 days and that always brings a resurgence of gamers yappin about fighting games. It's unironically all in your head.
>>715375496 (OP)>More players than ever before>Dead?
>>715375496 (OP)Extremely high barrier of entry. And basically everything is a derivative of some street fighter game
How can fighting games be dead if Tampa truly never sleeps
>>715375496 (OP)not dropping $90 on a game genre where half the rosters get cut on purpose for dlc passes
also they ALL have gacha coins now, it can never be as simple as buying the thing you want even if you did want to paypig, you gotta buy 2 or more (never just 1) gacha coin packs
i hope fighting game studios get shut down
>>715375932EVO is dead, retardo
>>715375970argue with my point if you can.
zoomers would rather play games that are fun to play and get fit than hyperfocus on a video game.
>>715375496 (OP)Fighting games were THE competitive multiplayer of the arcades. It's time has passed.
It's not really something that works anymore. It's made for arcades or to play with friends locally.
It's simply not fun genre playing over online. Tons of more fun genres for online stuff and cheaper too.
There's not even much reason to get newer ones. If someone somehow ends up here for a beer or 20 and wants to play some fighting. Can just boot some old tekken and it's pretty much the same game anyway than the newest one :S
>>715376105Meanwhile, zoomers are placing Top 8 or even taking first on fighting games that came out when they were 6
>>715376048cute bait might regret replying later
>>715375496 (OP)Theyโre more active than they ever were before, including most old games. Whatโs dead or not is seen differently now because fps and mobas have wider appeals due to being easy or having rng, so they get more players. A 1v1 genre was always gonna be relatively small in comparison. You couldnโt really play a lot of them online well before rollback became more widespread either.
>>715375496 (OP)I feel like they cater to the FGC too much nowadays which though is a strong community, you're not really inviting new players to come in and get better if they're just going to get their asses beat nonstop.
>>715375496 (OP)>Why are fighting games dead?/fgg/ /sfg/ tekgen/ /neog/ faggots. Dooming for years on end kills interest. Everyone just fucks off to better places.
>>715376245that has nothing to do with anything, there's more gamers than ever and it makes sense that the younger crowd are better at reaction based games.
there's still less zoomers playing them because they didn't grow up on them and culturally don't care about skill in video games.
so do, some always will but outliers are exceptions to the medium.
>>715375496 (OP)What game is this?
I remember when I was a kid seeing all sorts of random arcade fighters I never saw again. Don't recognize this one, though.
>>715376321>he thought literallyholy retardo
>>715376545you seem miserable as fuck
>>715376323>Theyโre more active than they ever were before, including most old gameslmao, dumb zoomer
Fighting games are best in a local setting, and while local settings have been diminishing, COVID annihilated them. Why should a scrub go to a local tournament and pay money to go 1-2 at best? Back when local scenes were bigger, a scrub could go and get stomped, but also experience a social opportunity with friendlies, money matches, etc.
There were a lot of networks in the FGC that haven't been rebuilt. Sure, more have come up, but there are less opportunities for socialization, and more for online play. Yet, paradoxically, online play is less motivating. Why should a scrub grind the game and git gud, just to beat other turbo autists that pour 1,000's of hours into it? No, they wanna beat their friends, or all get good enough to go to a local together. So as a result, casuals might play a fighting game for a bit, then drop it.
>>715375496 (OP)Their answer to being hard to play hard to master was to make them hard to play easy to master with a bonus retard mode that makes them easy to play impossible to master.
>>715376435I applaud you to continue with these baseless statements in the face of objective facts. It's foolish, but confidence is always to be commended.
>>715375496 (OP)There are more upcoming fighting games announced than racers,stealth games,RTS,3D platformers,character action and other genres OP. Are you fucking retarded? Is thats what dead genre looks like then majority of genres are dead.
esports ruined fighting games
you cannot properly banter or fake beef anymore and the games themselves are pasteurized and gay as fuck mostly thanks to capcom and arcsys
>>715376631Online and outside of arcades they definitely are. Dumb zoomer.
>>715376812i now understand why millienal writers are so god awful. its because you can't comprehend and articulate.
>>715375496 (OP)The 20000 hour autists have driven away all the casual players. Same thing happened to arena shooters and RTS.
>>715376321The only one to care about is USA, and that died when McRibs was outed as the Pedo he was.
Now that Pokemon owns it, it's nothing but a franchise for a dead genre.
Online presence is required for the game to be successful, so they all have to fight for attention. Additionally, esports.
>>715375496 (OP)>current games constantly trying to appeal to the casual crowd and failing, ultimately making a game for no one>community went full retard and is just constant drama and allegations>chipotle
it's the most stagnate genre out there, you only have 3 games and every other game is either dead or on life support which is basically the same thing
>>715377002Casual players that wonโt put more than an hour into a game wouldnโt stay even if nobody else knew how to play either
>>715376648You make a good point which I agree with, but I also think the Ukraine Russian war has killed a lot of fighting game players. If the world goes full hot war, we've gotta face the reality that a lot of communities will be killed off because of it.
>>715377002The 20000 hour autists were always there and they were always looked up upon if you thought the game was cool.
>>715377002Explain Stealth games.
>>715376842OP is making an observation that the energy from the FCG is dead, which I agree with.
>>715375939There are more people playing video games than ever before. Based on how often I see people talking about fighting games vs fotm trash I would imagine the overall percentage of people who play games that fuck around with fighting games is the lowest its ever been, despite raw numbers being higher
>>715377197Aren't most fighting game players Black or Asian?
>>715376048You're not even trying with this bait
>>715377302Can't find them
>>715375496 (OP)Real answer?
NuFightans keep pandering to whiners like
>>715377002 who will not play for more than a few hours anyway so we end up with games i dont look fondly in to post-support
>>715377132theres four games plus whatever is the button masher kusoge of the month
street fighter
guilty gear
tekken
smash bros
>>715375496 (OP)Unironically motion inputs. Nobody wants to do 3 thousand DPs just so they don't have to worry about a misinput.
>>715378495Hm, cater to the millions who only play for a few hours or cater to the five playing who play for thousands?
This is a noggin jogger if I ever heard one.
>>715378958Okay, we should nuke the industry with no survivors if that is the case. If you have to ruin the gameplay for the sake of shitters just kill it.
>>715378958Any benefit it has at the start is outweighed by even the potential casuals seeing how quickly they die without those who play for thousands, leading to even casuals not wanting to buy new games.
>>715378958you do both like smash melee, sadly that seems to be the only fighting game that ever managed it.
>>715375496 (OP)because as a package they aren't good games. They're generally insanely lackluster as a single player experience both in content and substance -> fighting cpus. That leaves being carried by the multiplayer experience which you will hit a wall quick if you aren't putting significant time to grinding out stuff in the lab in a way that's totally foreign to most other multiplayer experiences. This is before getting into the wildly varying opinions of the mechanical stuff across each game. Then there's the gaming culture shift in general that fighting games never even attempted to catch up to beyond making inputs easier I guess. There is nothing close to a fighting game equivalent of squad queuing among other things that greatly enhance and facilitate multiplayer experiences. As a genre it just easily loses to other stuff
>>715378958Granblue is the easiest fighting game to pick up and play right now. Yet it is getting mogged by games with no baby inputs like Strive or knowledge-check simulators like Tekken.
>>715379527You mean as a package theyโre not popular. Most of what you described suggests theyโre good games.
fighting games are very popular now relative to 10 years ago
that said fighting games will never hit the highs of other genres because they just ask a lot more from a player than those other games. no amount of moba knowledge checks even comes close to actually having some level of dexterity, hand-eye coordination, personal responsibility, split second decision making, etc
>>715379547Not even casuals want to play baby mode games, its like a fatty showing interest in tennis, finding out its really physically intensive and being given a comedy racket with an inflatable beach ball instead, they would rather not even try the sport than play a stupid version for retards. I dont know why developers think high level pro play is off-putting when its an aspirational draw even for the shittiest players on earth.
>>715376842People will play them for about a month or two and then go back to Street Fighter or Tekken, its not like how it was 20 years ago when it was just you and some friends on the couch playing. Everything is on a much larger scale for better or for worse.
>>715375496 (OP)basically now fighting games are aimed at people who don't play fighting games and want to win randomly without skill.
every single fighting game series is worse now because they're not made for the fighting game audience.
>>715377395>Aren't most fighting game players Black or Asian?When it comes to Street Fighter. Europe has the biggest Tekken player base and that is still majority white.
A better question is why the fuck were there like a million fighting games in the first place? Like there are an infinite number of ideas you could use for a 1v1 skill based game and people still have to do the low block default react to over head jump in the air lets you close the distance but is higher risk slopfest.
>>715379747fighting games were dead 10 years ago, they are less popular now than they were during the SF4 boom and they have never matched their peak during the 90s. Fighting games can very easily transition to mass popularity, they just have to be redesigned, which doesnt mean taking a 90s fighting game and making it boring.
>>715375875more like attention spans getting shorter and it fucking up media in our society as a result
>>715375875so its obvious this is only a problem for casualized normal niggers
>>715375496 (OP)old games are too bonkers
new games are to restrict and samey
both require tremendous effort to be enjoyed and no one wants or cares for doing that.
Fighting games are in a funny and interesting position where everyone knows these franchises exist and it is objectively played more than thew are in the past but at the same time 99% of people that try them don't stick around.
>>715380176street fighter 2 was the fortnite of fighting games
everyone wanted to copy it
>>715379527>lacklusterYou don't need to be generous. They are abysmal for single player.
There have been fighting games with good single player and they are fondly remembered, but it is an extremely tiny minority of titles.
Beat em ups and 3d action games are just better genres unless you want to devote yourself to practicing to compete with other players. And even those genres aren't in great shape outside of Darklikes because they share the other issue of fighting games of being high skill ceiling.
>>715380176Same reason there's a billion shmups, cheap and easy to make, especially when you follow a formula. just keep making the same cheap, stagnant shit but throw in spiderman or goku and a new batch of retards will buy it.
>>715379547Strive is a special case because Bridget linked it with an entire identity of people. Itโs part of their religion to play and defend strive.
>>715380176Like what would you make to rival fighting games on an arcade hardware that can't render 3D? Fighting games were the best there was
>>715377373>raw numbers being higheri.e. they're not dead and are in fact more popular than ever before
>>715380176because every time something else was attempted since the ps2 era it resulted in a party game
>>715375812Yeah that guy's a Nazi robot
>>715380192>they just have to be redesignedim curious to find out what this supposed magic solution is going to be considering every possible blend of fast-paced action-oriented 1v1 and 3v3 already exists
the things that make fighting games unique and fun do not exist outside of the very form that makes them unpalatable to the wider audience. everyone can see that 2XKO is going to be dead on arrival and that's the game from the one company that thinks they can strong-arm mass appeal into everything
>>715379321This. If the industry can't sustain without appealing to normalfags and dumbing shit down for them than it might as well just die and reset into one that will be for hobbyists and autists like before
>>715380561>I ignored literally everything else you said and pointed out the one thing I could highlight to make it seem like you agree with meWow good on ya
>>715380460Nah there are plenty of tranny top players in GBVS Rising. Trannies were also playing Strive well before the Bridget and Testament reveals. People peddling those characters don't even play the game or don't do so at top level and the ones that do are playing HC, Leo, etc.
GGST is more popular than GBVS just by virtue of being the first anime fighter that's not from a well known IP like DBZ to make a big splash from the jump. Melty Blood Type Lumina had a nice jump by virtue of following up GGST but steam port issues and other problems plaguing the release killed momentum outside of Japan (where it was deemed a success).
>>715375496 (OP)Mainly because everything is esports now. There's a sanitised sterility to everything nowadays.
>>715379951>it was just you and some friends on the couch playingbut you can still do it, even more easily with fightcade/parsec, problem here is more about your friends getting married or just stop playing, happened to me but i still have 2 dudes that will occasionally play something other than sf/tekken.
>>715380935>8 button gamenyo
>>715380962Yes but most of them stay on Strive or went back to it. Bridget making that link at least doubled striveโs consistent playercount. They donโt play Bridget, heโs rare, but they stay because of him or the connection he created, because Striveโs community has a freakish infestation. I promise you they donโt care about HC or Leo past the fact they win with them.
>>715380212This meme is frighteningly accurate.
>>715381163Actually a bunch of them got 3 month bans recently while Arcsys investigates issues on them because of the stink they caused recently regarding false sexual assault allegations.
>>715375496 (OP)Death of local multiplayer has really killed the sense of community it used to have.
>>715375496 (OP)patch culture killed fighting games
you don't even need to try to make the game good anymore because people will stick around for a year after release because they bought the season pass day 1. rather then let a meta develop like how the smash autists are realizing that characters like yoshi are actually good after 20 years everyone just plays whoever is top tier this patch and then when they get nerfed they play the new top tier in the new patch. it makes the genre feel very disposable even more then when there was 6 street fighter 2 clones and 6 mortal kombat clones that felt overly stiff being released every year
>>715380780Because the only thing that matters when discussing the decline of a specific audience is if the people who qualify for that category increases/decreases rather than trying to compare it to as a percent of an exponentially larger and more inclusive group. What you're arguing is the textbook definition of a strawman.
>>715380679>it might as well just die and reset into one that will be for hobbyists and autists like beforeI don't know why devs of these sorts of genres refuse to accept this reality and budget their games instead of going full retard splurging tons of money chasing a fickle and dwindling normie audience.
Thats whats gonna happen though, the genre will die before they change.
>>715381597I don't have it but it's because the devs behind also want to be casual See: GG
>>715380678>considering every possible blend of fast-paced action-oriented 1v1 and 3v3 already existsmust be tough to have absolutely no imagination to the point where you cannot even conceive of a theoretical option that is outside your prior experience. 2xko is another retarded gimping of a pre-existing formula, why is sakurai the only developer on earth who seems to have the ability to break down and reconstruct the fighting game formula, even fucking ubisoft has more of that ability than 99% of fighting game developers.
>>715381656>but it's because the devs behind also want to be casualThat explains everything.
>>715381597Hmm, why would a corporation try to grow?
>>715381332Should have been a perma and more than those 4. The fact they didnโt get real bans despite constantly causing issues and pushing arcsys this far is telling. The fact it took this long is also telling.
>>715381801>why would corporations try something thats obviously doomed to fail and cost them money instead of making a consistent profit off a reliable audience?You have bright future at one of these companies.
>>715381751Trying to do that while keeping them a fighting game at all will just get you a game that genuinely nobody plays. Sakurai said smash wasnโt a fighting game.
>>715375496 (OP)The problem that fighting game players cannot accept is that fighting games are the worst of both worlds with it comes to casual engagement and retention loops. Just from the jump, getting into a fighting game is hard because, even with all the babybrain casual-friendly mechanics they add, fighting games require an immense amount of time, effort, and discipline to play at anything beyond a scrub level. And losing in a fighting game is magnitudes worse than losing in a moba, hero shooter, battle royale, etc. because it's solely YOU who's taking the L. Somebody just beat your ass and objectively proved that they are superior to you. Shit, even winning in a fighting game isn't as satisfying as carrying a team to victory.
And then there's the time investment required. Let's say you're a completely new fighting game player who just started playing Street Fighter 6 and want to achieve Master rank. Here's a list of things the average person could accomplish if they put the same amount of hours into something else:
>learning a super-basic programming language like Python or Javascript >going from /beg/ to /int/ level in drawing>learning the piano or guitar (possibly both)>reaching N3 level fluency in Japanese>getting absolutely shredded in the gymGetting good at this shit requires the same mental, emotional, and time investment as an actual discipline but with none of the real-world return unless you're a sponsored pro player or a content creator. Doesn't even have the same social/friend element that other game genres provide unless you got an active local scene or you're going to tournaments regularly; the latter of which will cost a lot of money unless you, again, are either a sponsored pro who gets your trips paid for or you're a content creator who gets regular invites or at the very least can write your travel costs off as a business expense.
These are the actual reasons why fighting games aren't popular. Everything else is cope.
>>715381751i worded it like that because I did not exclusively mean fighting games, i'm throwing anime arena slop like the new bleach game and even dark souls PVP into the equation here. there's a reason that attempts to make it palatable don't last. even smash players are super divided on which of the main games are the best, and remember that Melee only came out like that more or less by accident. even smash clones shit the bed in one or two aspects
objectively the most popular smash clone with large competitive prize pools is brawlhalla and yet for some reason its not accepted by what is considered "competitive fighter" communities. curious
>>715382326Other games take almost as much effort and time to get good at but also have safety nets like teams and engagement based matchmaking to keep people happy and seeing a win screen. As time goes on the average person is weaker too, so like you said the losses in fighting games hit harder and donโt have safety nets to avoid them. All this said, thereโs also nothing more rewarding to learn than fighting games, and it feels better than just drifting through the engagement systems other pvp genres now rely on.
>>715381498Let's say your old high school's most popular club was theater one year. Over the next few years, your schools population increased by a few hundred. In that timeframe, chess and debate clubs overtook theater club's total members by, say, fifty each. Despite this, theater club did actually grow, but only by six or seven kids. Would you say that theater club is falling out of popularity at your school, despite literally gaining more kids? You don't know what a strawman is, btw
>>715382201smash is a fighting game, it has its own variant of every core fighting game mechanic besides maybe crossups. You dont have to like it to admit it was a successful reinvention of the genre. It is very strange to me that only capcom, nintendo and sega seem to have the ability to think about the genre from a fundamental perspective while every other developer plays within the constraints they establish, even then all three seem to have largely lost that ability and now mostly play within their own constraints that they established in the 90s.
>>715375496 (OP)there are only 3.2 billion people under the age of 30, and that number is going down every day. We're already going backwards population-wise
old people don't play videogames, and they especially don't play fighting games
all games are losing players as a result, especially fighting games
>>715375875based and true
I think almost all fighting games have too few players to match up people of the same skill level.
Most complaints leveraged against fighting games are the same things talked about with Chess. Too complex, 1v1, can't blame luck/other people, knowledge barrier, etc. But Chess has hundreds of thousands of players. Your only knowledge could be how pieces move and you'll get matched with people who only know how pieces move. You can play and improve at your own pace, or even not improving at all, and still have a good time simply playing the game.
Most fighting games have like 500 people, 1000 on a good day, and they are all masters at the game. You have to get damn good at the game to experience something resembling gameplay and not an extended cutscene of your character getting beaten up. It'd be like if in Chess all players below 2000 spontaneously quit the game and you have to study openings, tactics, middle game strategy, endgame conversions, endgame strategy, to a 2000 Elo level to not get blasted off the board immediately.
I've never played a fighting game before. Should I start with SF6 or Tekken 8?
I think the closest I've played to a fighting game was Nioh 2 but idk if that makes sense
>>715382732It wasnโt a successful reinvention of the genre, itโs a different genre. If Sakurai said it thatโs probably safe to believe him. Platform fighters are their own genre and have almost no similarity to fighting games other than โyou fight other playersโ which could apply to almost any pvp game that isnโt a fighting game. And smash isnโt popular because of how it plays either, itโs popular because itโs a Mario game. Smash players get so assblasted over this even though he said it himself. Itโs not belittling you any more than itโs belittling csgo as not a fighting game.
>>715375496 (OP)unironically online play being good
>>715382326I agree they have a higher barrier to entry than other genres but I think it's over exaggerated. With fancy effects and good sounds/designs, people can still be drawn in and have fun just messing around.
The 1v1 aspect should appeal to some people because of how people act when they have bad teammates. Look at any team based games and there are so many complaints about bad teammates. I don't know why these people instead play fighting games or RTS or something 1v1, since they are also spending hundreds if not thousands of hours on their games (I am talking about the more hardcore players, like the people spending all their time in League of Legends and other MOBAS).
You can still have fun without needing to spend all day in training mode.SF6 did an good job bringing people in. Strive also had good sales. They are always going to be niche but when compared to other games I think (especially nowadays) the "hardcoreness" and whatnot is not as high as it used to be.
>>715378495For every 20k hour sweaty there's like 20k casuals. It is the way it is
>>715382627>theater club did actually grow>Would you say that theater club is falling out of popularity at your schoolNo because for that to be true there would be a decrease in members.
>>715382992They are two different genres, not really similar. SF6 is 2D, Tekken 8 is 3D. I think both are decently beginner friendly.
>>715382992SF6 because it has more players across all ranks and has a shortened learning curve if you pick modern controls (but still daunting if you want to get good) but it also has a fairly lengthy single player mode if you wanna practice fucking around
Tekken 8 is still bleeding players as a result of a disastrously bad balance patch from April and while it's decent now, there's still a lot of raw sewage baked into the gameplay and it has almost as many uninteractive 50/50s as the average late-stage anime fighter
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>>715375496 (OP)The games are really bad now. T8, SF6, Guilty Gear. All the primary fighting game franchises have gone down the toilet because of corporations needing their games to be as casually appealing and easy to grasp as possible.
This has made fighting games in the long-term scheme of things become really unappealing because there is zero depth anymore, it's not fun to watch tournaments or follow players, it's doesn't feel fun worth learning a game and applying your own creativity to it because there is zero room for creativity now. It's all just the same meta and frame autism that completely dominates the competitive fighting game scene.
>>715381038>JoJo's Hard REXEUNT
>>715382428anime arena slop are not serious attempts at real fighting games, gundam VS was and remains an interesting look into what area fighters could be if anyone gave a shit. The attempts to make it palatable are universally just to shit on pre-existing formulas, smash solved every single issue fighting games had with accessibility and maintained its depth, its fucking wild to me that these boomer devs talk about these issues as if they are impossible to solve and sakurai already did it in the 90s. I'm not saying people have to copy smash but it was done and can be done again.
Also its universally agreed that melee is the best smash game from a competitive standpoint evidenced by it running alongside new smash games for years and years at evo which is unheard of for any other series. there has never been a serious, high budget smash clone made by a competent FG developer, every single project is on the same level as that shitty Invincible VS western slop or even cheaper. If that's all that existed for marvel clones I would not jump to the conclusion that the entire subgenre was a complete financial and creative dead end unless spiderman was fighting ryu.
I also think FROM is maybe the closest to cracking how to make a fighting game with mass appeal, they have the skillset to do it they just have to want to do it.
>>715383138You're saying this even despite the fact that the total number of people to draw from increased by a much larger magnitude, and other clubs were able to successfully tap this new set of individuals while theater could not?
>>715382627>Would you say that theater club is falling out of popularity at your school, despite literally gaining more kids?Yes? People who attended it when it was the most popular club already graduated and newcomers would rather choose other clubs over it, so it clearly fell out of popularity. Vinyl records recently enjoyed sales levels that haven't been seen since the 1980s. Does that mean that 2020s are actually the new golden age of vinyl, that it defines this time period more than it did 1980s? Of course not. Music streaming is still immensely more popular. Now it's just a novelty for a small number of people who chase something they never had the opportunity to experience. Same thing with fighting games and the era of arcade hardware superiority.
>>715383606>didnt acknowledge brawlhallayou failed the test tendy
bend over
>>715382603>All this said, thereโs also nothing more rewarding to learn than fighting games, and it feels better than just drifting through the engagement systems other pvp genres now rely on.Oh, I agree. I'm a veteran FGC fag myself. But fighting games are, unfortunately, not one-and-doner games where a company can just ship them, patch them, and add a bit of DLC before moving on to the next product. They're living-and-breathing titles that require either 20% of their playerbase to be whales that pay to keep the lights (and servers) on, or they need a revolving door of casuals coming and going.
The dilemma for modern fighting games is that it's impossible for them live off whales unless they monetize themselves to death like Dead or Alive did, and they repel casuals like no other genre (except for Smash or NRS games) because they're inherently anti-instant gratification, and the majority of casuals NEED that early dopamine to stick with a game.
>>715382326And of course, even if you do put in the effort and time and discipline or whatever the fuck, the majority of people who play fighting games regularly aren't winning fighting games regularly, they're people who drown in pools at big tournaments and maybe they'll win a locals at best. Who wants to be the guy who wasted years of his free time constantly playing one videogame just to lose every time they try and play it "seriously" like LowTierGod?
>>715383024He has said multiple times that it is a fighting game, he has also gone into great depth about how his inspiration for it was from playing KOF and rebuilding its mechanics for a casual audience. You're just repeating stale memes about this topic than I'm too bored to address for the thousandth time.
>>715375496 (OP)What needs to happen is a fighting game renaissance. Out with the old, in with the new. New ideas, new genre combinations, free thinking and a fresh outlook on what a fighting game actually can look like.
If a developer manages to capture the essence of fighting in a nontraditional fashion and make it really fucking good, I imagine it'll have a good shot at revitalizing the entire genre.
I like Naraka as a nontraditional fighting game but the developers are kind of fucking stupid.
>>715383681I have eyes and I use them, it seems you do not have eyes and think brawlhalla is a AAA game release and not a free flash game for 9 year olds.
>>715375496 (OP)Because snoy bought EVO and it's been a shitshow ever since.
>sf got raped with 3 replacing all the cast . then again ruining the artstyle and gameplay with anything after
>mk was raped between 4-8 . fixed in a single game to be raped and ruined again
>tekken is tekken
>sc got ruined after 3
>doa was ruined after 3
>guilty gear was ruined with that 2.5d shit and cutscenes in the middle of combat
>bloody roar? dead
i dont remember anything else
>>715383646You said "yes?" like you're disagreeing with me. This was exactly my point, thank you. Other guy disagrees.
>>715380935That name is so gad damn awful, chatgpt had to have come up with it
>>715383978I've always thought it'd be cool if fighting games had some kind of roguelike mode for a sustainable singleplayer but Combo Devils is doing that and I fucking hate everything about how that game looks, it somehow feels even less earnest than 2XKO does
>>715383616If something is dead or dying it doesn't gain MORE of an audience
>>715384118oh i forgot of kof
>1 good game in nearly 20 years>ruined again with ugly 3d afterwards
>>715383978ARMS was this and it was ass
Strive was this and it trannyslopped the genre and was also ass
what we need is the exact opposite. we need a fighting game Dark Age where thousands of monks (QA devs) toil in darkness for their one popular game (Street Fighter) while a Great Schism separates their brother community (Mahvel) fighting off Muslim invaders (Soive). Life is simple, and everyone knows what to play.
But with the invention of the printing press (character discords) a looming threat of Protestant revolution grows... (One Piece fighting game)
>>715379527It's the eternal arguing about "people only ever play multiplayer!" that also killed cawadooty and funnily enough, bomberman.
Also arcadey but not kart racers, like PS2 era NFS and ridge racer.
At the end of the day the objective truth is most casuals only ever played these games in singleplayer in campaign/arcade or survival mode, now that's dead or an afterthought, most people don't care.
It was never about the complexity of the moves or anything of the sort, it's simply the problem of having no or complete dogshit single player content.
>>715383860Okay but itโs not an actual fighting game. Sakurai said that it took inspiration from them but itโs a platform fighter at most.
>>715383978>Out with the old, in with the new.so you never liked the genre and want it to become something completely different
kill yourself
>>715383801So what is the solution, then (gameplay wise)? How do you keep the depth and complexity while also making it appealing to casuals? Rivals is the only passable smash clone that has decent success but I think fighting games in nature might just be too niche.
>>715383849You can just play or compete for fun. Obviously trying to make a career off of competitive video games is a fool's errand. You are better off doing content creation (even then the odds of making it are awful, you might as well get an office job instead).
>>715384226I think what we need is a good beat em up game. A deeper version of Castle Crashers. When was the last time someone tried that?
>>715383801>But fighting games are, unfortunately, not one-and-doner games where a company can just ship them, patch them, and add a bit of DLC before moving on to the next product.Why? Just make sure the game is left in a good state balance-wise.
>They're living-and-breathing titles that require either 20% of their playerbase to be whales that pay to keep the lights (and servers) on, or they need a revolving door of casuals coming and going.Where did you pull that number from? Keeping a server for a game with 200 players running costs a small fraction of a single employee's monthly salary at a game studio. 7th console gen fighting games still have functional online, even though literally no one plays them. What companies want is to recuperate their dev costs and then make as much money as possible, that's why they keep catering to casuals.
>>715384395I dont care about these meaningless, autistic labels. This discussion is as coma inducing as are games art?
cause of combos, they are just boring.
>>715385009>cause of combosgo back to cod
>>715375496 (OP)It's a multiplayer focused genre that had no free to play games or pc presence for ages and had the top series in its genre dead for a decade until sf4 came out. Now literally every other popular multiplayer game is free to play and pc based and get a shit ton of latinos, russians and asians playing it because of it. Ironically Riot might succeed if they shill their league fighting game hard enough
Because the Arcade era is dead and there are more options for multiplayer games than ever before. In the past, fighting games were THE multiplayer games, maybe asides from side scrolling beat em ups like the Simpsons/Ninja Turtles games. Yes, games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat were very popular on consoles as well, but it wasn't the same type of culture you have in the arcades where people are gathering around and challenging each other. It feels like we haven't had much innovation when it comes to fighting games. It is still very much just Street Fighter 2 but with a different coat of paint. And that's alright but...they may have hit the limit of what they can do to change fighting games.
Street Fighter 2 changed everything. It essentially created a genre. In a similar way, I would argue Smash Bros Melee was a SF2 in its own right as it changed the perception of what a fighting game is, something still argued about, and it wound up creating a bunch of clone fighters in its style. You need games like melee, street fighter 2 if you really want to bring in more players. Something that reinvents fighting games in a way that can appeal to a ton of people.
>>715375496 (OP)>more popular than ever>dead
>>715385009Naraka at EVO when
>>715375496 (OP)So just play old fighting games.
You don't need constant new games for a multiplayer genre to not be dead.
>>715375496 (OP)because it's all meta gaming and memorizing retarded combos. it isn't fun
>>715385381Other genre defining fighting games I forgot to mention would obviously be Virtua Fighter, which then led to refinements like Tekken.
And that's what you see today. Street Fighter and Tekken still dominate everything, and you have some guys like Smash and Mortal Kombat more "casualized" but still remaining popular. These are the same franchises that have existed since the 90s.
Sure you can have a game like DB Fighterz or whatever but it's just a Marvel vs Capcom but with Dragonball characters. I'm not saying they need to reinvent the wheel to keep fighting games alive but the same franchises that changed everything are the ones still maintaining relevance. Someone needs to come and shake up the scene with something fresh. I don't know how that would look, but that could breathe some more life into fighting games.
>>715385681Smash is not a fighting game.
>>715375496 (OP)I don't play modern fighters because they have subpar artstyles. SF6 maybe good gameplay-wise, but the character designs look meh. The genre peaked with 3rd Strike.
Also, arcades are dead, so any arcade game genre is on life support.
>>715385810>SF6 maybe good gameplay-wiseIts not.
>>715375654It's not like fighting games *need* combos...
>>715384226Yeah that game looks pretty ugly.
My dream concept would be to turn the entire online mode into a meta game with factions and shit. Resource gathering, management aspects, community features.
Think watching and cheering on your faction's champions (high level players) in tourneys right in the game, in person tournaments having in-universe stakes, locals allowing players to connect to the game with mobile phones Ingress style. Either to compete or to do a friendly "dojo" with bonus rewards for all participants.
A fighting game with more context for all the face punching.
>>715375496 (OP)The genre hasn't evolved in actual decades in addition to being heavily MP focused
>>715385932That sounds like cancer.
>>715375496 (OP)The way you solve this problem is to purge all current fans of fighting games and rebuild the genre from the ground up based off of like Notia style gameplay or something.
>>715383338What's a 50/50?
>>715383978>Make a fighting game with free movement instead of horizontal one and a robust single player campaign instead of focusing solely on multiplayer>Get called party game
>Boot up CS/LoL/Fortnite/OW/CoD etc. for the first time.
>Suck ass and hove no idea what you're doing
>Still carried by team
>Continue playing online
>Eventally figure things out and improve
>Boot up any fighting game for the first time
>Suck ass and hove no idea what you're doing
>Loose
>Have to stop playing with other people and go into training mode to do motion inputs for ages untill you get them down
>Still lose
>Grind combos for millenia by yourself
>Now you can actually play
>>715387004>do motion inputs for agesIf you have problem doing an SRK input, you shouldn't be playing vidya at all.
>>715386765If that counts as a fighting game then we might as well include Dark Souls, too. I mean, it has PvP invasions.
>>715387004The greatest mistake of the modern FGC is holding singleplayer content in such contempt. Newbies should start by playing the arcade mode and seeing how far they can get while the difficulty increases. That way they can have fun an learn basic offense and defense before going online. Sadly, the art of arcade game design has been lost and modern fighting games have terrible difficulty scaling. The AI is always either too easy or too difficult in modern games.
>>715387196If from made a darksouls game with a 1v1 VS mode selection on the home screen it would absolutely be a fighting game. The only thing that stops it is the awkward way to access it and the lack of a balanced pre-existing roster.
>>715386765Melee slashers are definitely a fighting game subgenre.
>>715384290Kof 13 might've been a beautiful kof game but it was not a good kof game
>>715388982can't disagree with you. while i love the franchise i always played it casually and late
>>715381038This games combo system is so fucking fun, I hate bamco and cc2 for not giving it rollback netcode and crossplay.
>>715375496 (OP)After playing some sf6 over at my buddies' house I really started getting into them. Got sf4 on my ps3 and ggst and it's been pretty rad to do motion inputs. Still a total noob but it is what it is
>>715387004Have singleplayer mode and 1-button combos ig
>be me>play sf4+sf4(gba with simplified buttons) and clear the campaign just cuz its fun, thats it the campaign, like game
I feel like Smash Bros and Soul Calibur spoiled me on "real fighting games" since other fighters feel so stiff in comparison where as those games movement is more free-flowring, not to mention the venue changes in those fighting games actually changes while every street fighter clone is just le flat rectangle
>>715375496 (OP)this is from Saturday Morning Scrublords, isn't it?
>>715375496 (OP)1v1
technical
steep learning curve
shit aesthetics post third strike
>>715391249>Smash Brosnot a fighting game
>>715390864>1-button combos igThat sounds like absolute cancer.
combos are cancer in general. Anything longer than 3-4 hits is masturbatory
>>715375496 (OP)Fighting genre is doomed yes. It all comes down to muscle memory and lots of combo memorization.
Since attention spans are shortening, and also there are people who just dont like combo memorization, a natural progression would be a fighting game where people have a ton of moves in the arsenal but no combos. Its more about reaction time and how well you know your kit. But any fighting game that tries this get shunned and called casual.
Only successful one is Smash, which even that is rejected by the โhardcoreโ fighting fans. And it doesnt need to be like Smash with platforms and stuff, snk heroines is also like this. (Pic related) No combos, its more about knowing your kit, reaction time, and how to blend them together. Also they added items which is fun.
Rejected by the fighting community.
So enjoy your dead genre since you want to be โhardcoreโ and leave no room for the genre to evolve. Get fucked
>>715380373abalaburn had a full 3d beatemup campaign similar to dmc/bayo/mgrr
guilty gear judgment had a full 2d beatemup campaign like final fight/double dragon/battletoads
are there any others? not counting story -> regular fight but actually like the above? i can't think of any
>>715392806>Only successful one is SmashSmash is not a fighting game.
>>715392972Thank you for proving my point. You have no one but yourself for killing your genre
>>715393095My genre isn't dead.
You don't need constant new games for a multiplayer genre to not be dead.
Tons of people still play fucking 3S for example.
>>715393178>You don't need constant new games for a multiplayer genre to not be deadHoly cope. Yes if no new games in your genre are being made, and you are constantly bleeding players to the point of tournaments getting canceled cause you have no new blood, its near dead.
Enjoy your "hardcore" scene with 5 people.
>>715393363>Yes if no new games in your genre are being made, and you are constantly bleeding players to the point of tournaments getting canceled cause you have no new blood, its near dead.Good thing none of that is happening to fighting games.
>>715393363>you are constantly bleeding players to the point of tournaments getting canceled cause you have no new bloodLiterally not happening.
>>715380373A reminder that iconic titles like sf2 thrived from single-player. Consoles from the snes generation simply didn't have online or ladder so while in occasion you'd use MP the console would be sitting still the rest of the time without SP. All console copies are thanks to SP mode.
Wreck-n-ralph author wrote Zangief to be a villain and he played against Zangief in single-player. 'nuff said.
People don't dislike motion inputs because they're hard, they dislike them because they increase margin of error in getting your move out for how its input will overlap with other moves. This shit happens to pros in tournaments in choke moments. Nobody likes that and it's why Modern received such glowing praise.
>>715375496 (OP)Because every single one is the same exact thing.
People have gotten bored.
>>715393704>Zoomers don't like thatftfy
>>715393873>scrubs weren't a thing until zoomersare you serious
>>715375979Fighting games are one of the most casual genres if you just want to get in and button mash. There is no barrier of entry at all.
I think you meant skill ceiling.
>>715393828Also this. And "hardcore" fighting fans refuse to let the genre evolve and change. So it dies along with a bunch of other dead genres.
Blame people like this
>>715392972
>>715393704I agree, we should also make it so I donโt have to learn how to dribble or any of that gay shit in basketball, Iโd be really good at it if I didnโt have to do any of that.
>>715394036Nigga did I say this was my opinion? I play fighting games. I like the overlap between intentionality and impulse that motion inputs offer. But the fact remains even pros have misinputs and your average gamer baby wants that to happen 0% of the time.
>>715392806>rejected by fighting communityWhy does this matter? FGC's approval doesn't carry a game to success (see: cotw). Smash didn't need them, they formed their own community even. Your game was rejected by casuals too
what's about fighting games that makes people like that
no other genre brings this amount of seething
>>715394036>we should also make it so I donโt have to learn how to dribble or any of that gay shit in basketballThats something you can reliably learn. It would be like after you learn to dribble, there is a 10% the basketball refuses to bounce back up and just stops working.
Thats what half circle moves are. Unreliable RNG that basically overrides skill
>>715394195The only people actually seething are people that want to compete in the top 1% without putting in any of the work.
>>715382784There are way too many people on this planet. We should kill at least half.
>>715387004>muh motionsFortnite and other zoomer games have high execution tech and skill ceilings games that'll break your wrists by age 24. At least in fighting games you still get 46 year olds viably competing because combos and motion are more about timing
>>715394195yeah those people are all too tryhard desu lulz fr
>>715394217>half circle input is rngLiterally the dumbest thing ever said on /v/ and that's saying something.
>>715375496 (OP)i'm too retarded :|
>>715394217this nigga thinks a half circle is rng
holy fuck the coping in these threads is hilarious, like you guys really dig deep into any excuse why you suck ass
>>715394132>FGC's approval doesn't carry a game to success (see: cotw). I wish this was the case but their bitching and whining does effect development and even how casuals view the games. No one wants to play a game when the community is bitching that its casual and dumbed down
>Smash didn't need them, they formed their own community even. Yes and even then Smash still gets ton of shit.
>Your game was rejected by casuals tooMissing the point completely. It was an example of something that breaks the mold a little and evolves the genre, and the "hardcore" fans will forever bitch and whine that it does something different. Which is killing the genre
>>715394367So just play Street Fighter 6 or Tekken 8 or City of the Wolves.
>>715394217Most retarded post ever failing to dribble is like failing to dribble tons of basketball players make absolute retarded mistakes it's even tracked as turnovers
>10% the basketball refuses to bounce back up and just stops workingThat's called equipment failure, like your controller or stick
>>715394217Yeah basketball players never make mistakes
https://youtu.be/UKFCwrFe88Y?si=tc9FXSsP1KhgIzBc
>>715394409yeah sometimes my half circle randomly turns into a half triangle
>>715375496 (OP)Why are 4trancels so desperate to declare fighting games as dead?
omg
md5: 314e691dd46f4cc24504e4f26dea4f2d
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>>715375496 (OP)OMG SECRET NAZI PROJECTILE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N-INVdG0iw
>>715394367You don't have worry anon. Modern fighting games are made for retards who think you don't need combos to play fighting games.
>>715394410>smashfag is mad no one likes his party game
>>715385009This guy is actually right.
Back when 1fr links were 1dr links, combos meant something. Now they're effortless, so what's the point in dragging out the formality?
>>715394667More people love Smash more than all your "hardcore" fighting games combined. Im doing fine brother, its you who is in trouble. Your genre is dead.
>>715394410ironic since the most "hardcore" fandom in the FCG is the Smash Melee one, the scene is so obscenely enclosed that the same 10 people are the only ones competing in tournaments
>>715394264okay, you can get the ball rolling by killing yourself
>>715394890I love whenever I see retards here talk about melee and use random numbers.
>>715394912Show me how it's done first.
>>715394943yeah, maybe we should talk about how many children their players molested
In my case I always enjoyed unlocking shit, like characters, costumes, galleries etc. think Tekken 3, Doa 2, Soul Calibur etc. I would unlock everything and a few months later wipe the data and unlock everything again. Now the games have no single player content and no unlockables and on top of that they are filled with paid content so when you buy the game you're just getting bare bones.
As a casual fighting game player there's 0 incentive for me to buy the games
>>715394506It's the one genre where /v/ would normally slurp up because it isn't for normies but still too hard for the average retard here to understand, so they make up cope instead
Seriously take some time to browse these threads, you will find the final boss of scrub quotes, that guy calling a half circle RNG is a top contender
>>715394983>pedo outs himself immediately
>>715394287That's the thing, you can get relatively decent at fortnite by just playing the game online. But in fighting games you MUST practice the most basic moves in training mode before playing against someone or you just won't be able to do anything.
>>715394883>Your genre is dead.Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
>>715395089toxoplasmosis pedophile tranny board bucko, don't like it? go back to plebbit
>>715395132Sincere question, have you ever actually played a fighting game?
The way you guys talk about how you need to spend a bajillion hours in training mode before versing lil Timmy is making me doubt it.
>>715395271people that complain about fighting games don't play fighting games
>>715395271Whenever you see something like HUNDREDS OF HOURS you know they don't play anon, it's just the go-to cope
it's hilarious seeing all these excuses when literal vtubers who have never touched fightin before have hit master and we got shitters here complaining about motion inputs
>>715384226Blazblue already has that
>>715387004Learn some BnBs and hop online. Neutral is the real thing you have to learn as a beginner, not fancy combos.
>>715394839Samsho is right there, yet nobody plays it.
Every thread we have retards spouting ignorance instead of just using google.
>>715394548>Heut ist mein TagWhy is today her day?
Fighting games need to evovle and become something new. No more combos, no more half circles, no more copying Street Fighter.
Abandon the "hardcore" fighting community, not like there is much left of it. The 10 people left gatekeep and stifle creativity for devs. Let them go and create a new community with a new type of fighting genre
>>715396026Reminds me of how often it's parroted that being the super hardcore 1v1 genre is too offputting for people, muh "can't blame my teammates," yet shit like Madden and Fifa are 1v1 and niggas live in multiplayer modes for those games.
>>715396136How about you play any of the hundred games that already listened to your faggy ass?
>>715396136Soive is about as beginner friendly as a game should get.
>>715396136Like what? Smash already did platform fighters
Dragon Ball Sparking Zero is an arena fighter, but nobody plays it.
Nidhogg is 1vs1 that is all about movement and evasion, but again, nobody plays it.
Samsho exists for people who hate combos, but nobody plays it.
If you hate motions, Granblue is your thing, but it's not that popular.
3D Fighters have been a thing for decades.
Do you even have an iota of a clue of how this "evolved" fighting game would play like yourself?
I blame combos and too much focus on offense completely without irony.
The majority of people do not want to do or watch them every match.
>>715396309>beginner friendlyIts not about something being beginner friendly.
You are the exact type of person we need to let go off. And sniff of creativity you call it casual and scrub. Thats why your genre is dead
>>715396136>no more half circlesAre you the "half circle is rng" fag? Shut the fuck up.
>>715396246Fifafags are also doing motion inputs instead of crying about them online for 20yrs.
>>715396426How come you never played any of the games you claim to want?
Let's be real, it's just like RTS games
It's not the barrier of entry, it's not the difficulty of the game or anything about shame of losing in 1v1
It's about the lacking single player mode to get people invested into the game while also raising their skill level
>>715396517>ranbu motionsI'm legit surprised
>>715396390Nice box, how'd you get internet in there.
>>715396573Then how come when they add your heckin singleplayer you fags don't even play it?
>>715375496 (OP)Always thought it was funny how the majority of /v/ bitches about games being dumbed down and not mechanically sophisticated enough but then hates fighting games.
Why is this? It's gotta be more complicated that just people being shitters
>>715396517PS2-era Pro Evolution Soccer (let's use 5 as an example since it was the best one) was unironically deeper mechanically and a more competently made videogame than anything that gets talked about here in the last decade
>>715396573To this day people still tune in to SF6 for world tour slop, then you got avatar battle slop if you are still too scared to play the actual game
just admit you faggots don't want to actually play the game
>>715396573>Tekken 8 has a full cinematic story mode>SF6 has full CaC RPG-lite mode with an overworld>Granblue had a RPG-lite side-scroller beatem up mode>MK has a cinematic story mode + the towerThe only fighting game right now that has lacking single-player content is Strive, whose story mode is just an anime. Yet it's one of the most popular fighting games out right now
>>715382326>Somebody just beat your ass and objectively proved that they are superior to you.This attitude among the people who play the games is liable to be more off-putting than the games themselves. "I press the buttons gooder, therefore I am your superior" is an absolutely ludicrous take, especially in a genre like fighting where tournaments take place in sets for a reason, and people would sooner not bother than risk embarrassing themselves over something that asinine.
>>715396386>Like what?A 3rd person fighting game, that is tightly designed in a box. Almost like an arena fighter but no arena, you are in a small area like you would be in a 2D fighter stage. Focus on dodges and ducks and quick but limited movement.
No combos. You have big kit like smash and you must be cunning in how you use it.
Get CREATIVE
Like you know what, fuck the thread topic, let's talk about the bitch made FGC of today, the one and doners, the ragequitters, the teabaggers, the people who are clearly in it as a form of ego reinforcement and NOTHING else. Who are these weirdos? These are the ones chasing people off.
>>715375496 (OP)>itโs another gay faggot aids thread of some ass blasted bronze scrub who lost in SF6You know why fighting games arenโt big anymore stop fucking asking
>>715396908You just described Sifu and Absolver you fucking idiot.
You don't play video games at all, stop giving your worthless opinion about them.
>>715396908Already exists
>>715375496 (OP)The frat bros that used to play fighting games in tournaments got jobs, lives, and families. It's almost entirely agps now.
>>715396774SF6 is trash tho.
Street Fighter hasn't been good since 4. And 3S is still best.
>>715396573it's simpler than that. Fighting games just aren't fun to most people compared to the other games they could be playing
>Bro just memorize these 5-button combos and exact frame counts to be able to compete with the autists online
nah I'm good
Character designs/artstyles I don't like or think are bland and mechanics I don't like or think are bland.
No one has made a character more fun to play than pic related and if you disagree you never played him. Valentine in Skullgirls was a close contender though and was also very fun.
>>715396573For RTS games - most don't have factions I think look cool. Same for modern fighters.
>>715396971The FGC was always lame, the schizo trannies just replaced wannabe hard wiggers like Mike Watson
The FGC will never be "cool" despite what Evo marketing wants
>>715397091hello fellow max dood watcher
videogames am I right letsgoooooooo hypeeeee
>>715397119>he can't touch type
>>715397137Don't care how fun he is, JoJo characters look like stupid faggots.
>>715397254>max doodLiterally who?
>>715394964I'm not the one thinking people should die, that's you. And you can do something about it!
>>715397276What fighting characters do you like? If you say Blazblue or Guilty Gear then you have no room to talk about faggot character designs and if you say street fighter, metly, or kof then you just have boring taste.
>>715397209At least you could banter with the wannabes. Nowadays people try to get your ass banned from all events for hurting their feefees.
>>715397349Says the guy who just told me to kill myself.
Dumb gaslighting hypocrite.
>>715397423you said people should die, I'm just pointing out you can do that yourself if you think it's so important
>>715397119>guy whiffs a shoryuken and is in the air for 50124895 seconds>guy does tiny jabs with tiny range and is clearly recovering fast>hmmm I wonder what the frame data is on that to punishretarded faggot
>>715375812Yeah it's not even that hard to do.
They don't want you to know this but you can actually make them and throw them at minorities whenever you see them and no one can stop you.
>>715397402Almost everyone in DNF Duel is cool. Shame that it was made by Eighting, who produces nothing but shit.
>>715397410I thought gatekeeping was le heckin based though?
>>715376648I've kind of had this experience which turned me off from fighting games.
>Go to a tournament >Spend money to attend >Go 0-2>Stick around for the rest of the tournament but barely anyone wants to play friendlies I'm cool with drowning in pools, but I still want more opportunities to play.
>>715396675Because the games don't have any real singleplayer content anymore.
Ever since the PS3 era fightan basically has afterthought stories, when back during the 90s and the arcade craze and the golden era of SNK that was THE reason to git gud (or dump enough quarters) and beat the boss, to see how the story continued.
>>715397620That isn't gatekeeping you retard.
>>715397760They do though. Maybe try updating your shit opinions.
>>715397760>when back during the 90s and the arcade craze and the golden era of SNK that was THE reason to git gud (or dump enough quarters) and beat the boss, to see how the story continued.Honest question. Do you really think anyone here is going to buy that bullshit?
>>715377002One of the really annoying things about these threads is that you can clearly tell who does or doesnโt play this genre based on the retarded shit they say. And itโs always an excuse disguised as concern over the sanctity of the fun economy.
2000 hour autists arenโt driving people away. Fighting games have had skill based match making for 20 years now. This idea that pros get online and abuse meta strategies that drive away casuals is fucking stupid because a casual isnโt running into Snake Eyes or Punk. People donโt like LOSING especially the faggots on /v/. they donโt want any friction that they canโt save scum their way out of and so they concoct these faggot analysis strawman to make it seem as if theyโre critiquing the sweat lord for the future of the game or genre.
To put in simply youโre a bitch nigga
>>715397410>Nowadays people try to get your ass banned from all eventsAnd tournaments don't even do that properly, look at umisho at combo breaker while everyone pretending nothing happened or noel brown walking around even though he grabbed ass and punched people on stream, just because he's friends with jwong
The FGC has always been lame ass cliques, at least with modern FGC you got casual setups or booths to visit
>>715396003No one playing fighters for the first time knows what any of that means, they just hop online and start pressing buttons
>>715397552Not really, only really like enchantress from that game but barely know who anyone looks like - only know the base roster when someone shilled it to me.
Still could be worse taste I guess. But honestly most fighting games have shit character designs and movesets I hate which is why I am so picky with them.
Nitroplus has a couple good ones, arcana heart also does but I hate how it plays
Remove hit stun
If this was an fps game it would be like your flashbanged 80% of the match. Obviously that sucks
>>715397985Yet people still anchor b site mirage
>>715397906sorry you're a newfag to fightan anon
maybe you should go back to being a tranny on GGS
>>715397940Umisho is a tranny, so he's in the protected group. He only recently just got banned from all AWT events, but unfortunately, it's only for 3 months.
time to watch more the frog
>>715398074Nope, I played in arcades. Nobody was doing that shit for the "story", because arcade fighters had little to no story at all. You get a simple intro, in broken English, fight the CPU, then you either fought a character specific boss or the generic bad guy. And if you won, you got a couple lines of text in a background image.
And guess what, the majority of fighting games still have arcade modes you retarded poser.
>>715397919player populations are pretty low, so the average level of skill in matchmaking queues is very high (fg fundies are highly transferrable between games, such that someone who has gotten gud at one fighting game has a big advantage over a noob even if it's both their first time playing)
I'm pretty sympathetic to shitters who try to learn their first fighting game and go 0 for 200 to begin their journey. It's really tough to find other people of your skill level if you're a shitter in fighting games unless you jump in in launch week of some normie-crossover game, and that happens like once a year at best
>>715397970Just say you're a lolifag, nothing wrong with that.
>>715398394I started playing them this year and had no problem finding shitters at low ranks.
>>715398479I like some but not most
I usually don't play the loli characters
>>715397940does anyone else really dislike jwong and find his personality extremely jarring? guy's an obese asian and huge autist yet tries to project this tough guy persona
also he's a giant shill of all that cringeworhy esports GAMER LIFESTYLE garbage
>>715375496 (OP)noone has made an arcana heart game in a while, that's why
>>715398541To elaborate, one of my pet peeves for character design that arc sys does a lot for their games is every character has 5 billion straps and belts and shit. Enchantress doesn't really have that, same for arcana hearts as far as I know.
>>715398541>>715398626>Likes Enchantress>Likes Nitroplus characters>Likes Arcana Heart charactersMy brother, you are a bonafide lolifag.
And I agree, I am not a fan of Arcsys' exaggerated character designs. Which is a shame, because I love +R and BBCF's gameplay, but I abhor the character designs. Which makes it impossible for me to invest heavily in the games. DNF Duel characters with BBCF gameplay would be my dream game.
>>715391249Try melty blood and kof
>>715398939>My brother, you are a bonafide lolifag.I don't hate them but I barely play them.
I usually play rushdown in games I like and lolis are barely like that in any games I like.
My ideal character design is something like DIO or Valentine in both gameplay and design.
I only listed them for games I don't tend to like other designs, like in Nitroplus I play Homura or Ein and not any of the lolis.
I just don't like most of the """serious""" designs - they look stupid in tons of games. Loli characters don't tend to have serious designs.
I usually like characters with masks/helmets like Hanged Man/Silver Chariot or with an obscured face like Shadow Dio
Like your pic has tons of belts that just look retarded and instead of like how in Jojo where that is what the artstyle leans into, that artstyle insists the oversized belt and countless straps is cool when it looks stupid to me. Not to mention the stupid thigh bandana
>>715381751Smash fucking sucks as a comp game and none of the extra shit those games allow you do to appeal to me as someone that likes fighting games. Smashfags need to realize that most of the FGC detests them and you arenโt us and smash isnโt a fighting game. Kys.
>>715399485>Like your pic has tons of belts that just look retardedBro, Brawler has one belt...
Guess we're complete opposites, I can't stand goofy designs like JoJo with bright colours, makeup and exaggerated poses.
>>715398126>3 monthswow it's fucking nothing.jpg
especially when majors are months separated anyways, retarded ass nothing burger
>>715398585jwong is a hardcore NYC born and raised so of course he talks like
he's still a fat kirby looking motherfucker but I respect his FG knowledge, he can bring up frame data of some weeb fighting game from 25 years ago with a 7 playerbase
>>715399770The guy you posted has two straps on each arm (4 total), one actual massive fucking belt with the floppy part flying around everywhere, a sliver belt around a thigh, a bandana around the other, and one of his weapons is covered in straps from his belt. Also his coat has straps and stuff - they are buttoned down and not obvious but they are there.
Not sure who the fuck striker is since I don't remember names but even disregarding the belt/strap obsession there are other things I don't like about most """serious""" anime fighter designs
>>715400226Brawler I mean, fuck
>>715399770>I can't stand goofy designs like JoJo with bright colours, makeup and exaggerated posesBut arc sys games do that shit too? All I can say is that it and certain other games give off the sense that they are trying way hard to be cool. The designs just feel unnatural and contrived to me.
>>715392131I don't care what a real fighting game is, street fighter and is clones are all too stiff feeling
>>715400672you never played SF or any of its clones
>>715400753yeah bro, I just never stumbled across one of the most iconic fighting game franchise and happen to not enjoying, thats just not possible
anon above me uses twitter on a regular basis
>>715401002you never played them, that much is obvious
>>715401245whatever, autist
Street Fighter was never good, it was just babby's first fighting game and oldheads became attached to it
>>715401309NTA but the moment you called fighting games SF clones is how I know you are fucking retarded and don't actually play them
It's literally the every FPS is a doom clone argument just because it did it first
retard
>>715392806Anon you sound like a nigger whoโs mad because bad
>>715394217Nigga you can literally fuck up a play in basketball despite putting thousands of hours into training. Are you fucking retarded???
>>715375496 (OP)Because they're 1v1s. You know why MOBAs are popular despite being almost entirely PvP? Because they're team based. Your average gaymer can safely blame their teammates after every loss and go play another right away, thinking the next one will be different since they swear they're good and their team was bad.
In fighting games, if you're shit, that fact will be shoved in your face right away, so it's clearly less appealing for people who live coping.
That's alright tho, you're supposed to play games so your brain releases nice chemicals. You gotta be at least a little masochistic to really enjoy fighting games
>>715393363>dude I read on redditGo back.
>>715377002i only have 1000 hours in my main fg and i place top 2 at my locals consistently so i think you're exaggerating
>>715396136People can do what they want if the chips fall in their favor than god speed. But itโs hard enough selling a new fighting game to people who want tradition. And if hardcore people arenโt playing it you can bet casuals wonโt. We already tried this. Naraka Blade Point that brawl game that was done by Epic. No one wants that shit because it looks fucking gay. Itโs not conducive to how precise the feeling of a 1v1 in SF/TK/GG is.
>>715401556this tells me that fighting games are a meme and that the fgc is just a super loud minority (heh)
>>715402006fgc is a massive circlejerk fill with gossipy spics that don't even play videogames and love to worship personalities for some reason
FGC community is absolute cancer and this thread is proof.
Thats why you genre is dead
>>715398394This only applies to fucking anime games and the average casual is not running home to play Melty. Skill based matching in SF/MK/TK and GG are fantastic because thereโs enough new people coming in. This idea that the scrub going 0-200 is because he faced 200 autists is fucking retarded. He lost because some gay retard was mashing EX DP after blocking for 1 second. These people are not losing to sweat lords.
>>715401781how do you explain madden, 2k, and fifa?
>>715398585Jwong has been around for a long time. Heโs literally an OG. The confidence that he has come from decades of experience.
OP is retarded, has no idea what dead actually means when it comes to a genre or scene and is just being a nostalgic faggot.
>>715398939>I am not a fan of Arcsys' exaggerated character designs.Pic unrelated I hope because that design is way worse than any GG design (classic or Strive).
>>715403815It looks the same to me and I'm a true hater.
Wouldn't say worse, but same level of bad
>>715401781>Because they're team based. Your average gaymer can safely blame their teammates after every loss and go play another right away, thinking the next one will be different since they swear they're good and their team was bad.That's only one of the reasons and I don't even think its the most important one. There are two others I'd put ahead of it:
>MOBAs are significantly easier to learn than fighters to learn. Everything difficult about them is in knowledge checks, the actual execution barrier is several orders of magnitude lower and its extremely easy overall (with a couple of isolated exceptions). >MOBAs have lots of downtime that actually lets you play the game. Even if you suck you can still use your abilities and control your character and hit creeps or whatever and feel like you're at least *playing* the game. In fighters even a player who's only a little better than you are will absolutely rape your face in the corner and make you feel like you can't even play the game. This is as discouraging as it is boring.
>>715403815GG characters still have a strong cohesive idea of what the character is supposed to be even if they are overdesigned.
That is just "what if we slapped a bunch of things that are supposed to be cool looking onto one character" and looks tryhard as fuck.
>>715404337Sorry meant to reply to
>>715404178
>>715375496 (OP)>costs too much (base game + season passes + whatever expansions they put out)>expensive to make too. people expect full voice acting, story mode, character interactions, and other interactions outside gameplay>doesn't encompass an entire adventure. you just beat arcade over and over with a different character each time>multiplayer-focused, so quickly runs out of content story mode is short, though there might be some gimmick modes (e.g. survival, scenario, world tour, chess)>pvp autism requires massive investment and constitutes a huge barrier to entry, especially if it's your first fighting game ever>wiki autism coupled with no-life autists datamining and combing through frame data to squeeze every last advantage out of characters turns newcomers into second-class players
>>715404337>>715404395I don't know, every time I picked a character in any original arc sys IP they played nothing like how I imagined, same I figure for that game.
Even for GG there were some designs that I didn't look at all how they are played like Axl or Abba, but like I said I think all original arc sys IPs struggle with that. Don't know if DNF is one but the best way to describe it is that most arc sys characters look like they could fit in with Final Fantasy perfectly and I don't really care for that style either
>>715404219>unironically suggesting ASSFAGGOTS, a genre that requires just as much if not more labbing than fightanyou retarded son? just the sheer number of matchups is bad enough
>>execution is loweryou don't have motions but at a high level you need to take a look at a goddamn map, optimize everything down to a t, map out timers for shit (how long does doing this take), think of damage thresholds, make guesses and decisions on the spot taking tens of interactions into account, etc.
>>715404337Nta but it's funny because they could've used the 1st awakening design like they did with most of the cast and it would've looked much better.
>>715404859Don't waste your breath.
/v/ doesn't understand ASSFAGGOTS.
>>715404884Yeah thatโs a way better design and actually tells me what the character is supposed to be
>>715397491more like
>guy spams bullshit ranged attack over and over in every single match
>>715404859Anon this is a fighting game thread that means everyone here is a bitter old man who genuinely cannot understand why MOBAs crushed their genre like a peanut.
>>715404851Axl I can understand given his design clashes with his weapon (which I think is actually intentional but whatever) but I think ABA makes a lot of sense.
>>715405140>but I think ABA makes a lot of senseI thought that character was going to have big disjoints and stuff, not be a transformation/buff character
May is the only character who plays about how I pictured
>>715405282>May is the only character who plays about how I picturedExcept for the dolphins and shit anyway
>>715405068it's a shit genre by virtue of being team-based. games being lost after a 2~3 death advantage is a game design failure. so are the forced comeback mechanics which are artificially injected to dissuade teams from just throwing the towel moving on to the next game.
the only thing that makes it stick around is friends forcing their other friends to play
>>715405282I donโt know I think โcrazy but sickly looking girl kinda sucks until she goes psychoโ makes sense to me
>>715405282>have big disjoints and stuffBut she does have those she just has an ape mode that is easy as piss to get into and manage to get even more/better disjoints.
>>715405485See, hereโs a bitter old man right now!
>>715405535>>715405569Call me retarded but I figured the key would open a portal for summons or something and she takes advantage of those for big disjoints
>>715405068but..they are different genres
>>715405863I have no idea how you could possibly come to that conclusion when the big ass axe key has a bladed edge and blood on said edge.
>>715405034>what is blocking>what is parrying>what is jumping>what is throwing your own projectile>what is throwing a superthis is like running into a closed door over and over again and complaining the door is closed
holy fuck how do you retards breathe
>>715406463Keys are generally for opening doors
>>715406492Keys are for battling the darkness anon.
>>715406538I can't believe you don't see that when there is a vampire character who vaguely looks like a vampire in the very same game. If anything you'd think that would be a blood/lifesteal/transform character
>>715406640Found the fag that never played Kingdom Hearts
anyone else just play fighting games casually offline? it's very comfy
>>715406949I like the idea of doing that but never really do. I should
>>715406746Correct, same type of artstyle that I don't really like among other things.
It's funny, I like Japanese things plenty but I hate it when they have characters that just feel like deviant art OCs like most arc sys games, FF, Kingdom Hearts, etc. I can't really explain it, but they all have the same type of art direction and story beats that I hate - ones that I think are in generic shounen too.
Either a character needs to be more normal or their personality should match what they wear or the thing needs to own how weird it is instead of insisting that the characters are cool. But too many series have no restraint and thus everyone looks like clowns but act like edgelords or just are way too annoying. Fighting games, JRPGs, and shounen have the worst problem with this.
>>715407030I'm sorry anon but you're a complete retard.
>>715407002I've done it off and on for years. I never got gud at newer fighters, so AI can still beat my ass. it makes for a relaxing game experience
>>715406492>>715406640I am the one you actually replied to with the "opening doors" post. does this huge weapon like key with an unnaturally sharp end and blood on said edge look like it's meant for opening shit? Granted she gets a super that she uses to open a energy door with it in strive but that's it.
>>715407112You are like 4 posts too late to call me retarded
>>715405863>>715407123Yes. She opens with key then uses summons to set up big hit with key. Maybe necromancy because of blood or demons or something from the sewed face on key.
How is that hard to understand?
>>715407115makes sense
fighting game AI is input reading 100%
>>715406949Doing it right now with palmods and jacket dio on HftF, got the mood to play it after posting it earlier in the thread
>>715407518hell yeah. I bought a bunch on the steam sale, especially ones with decent sp experiences like killer instinct.
>>715407258Delete that image, you are violating the geneva conventions
>>715407258Yes it is because I have never in my life seen someone on the internet see a.b.a and think
>oh this seems like it'd be a summon/magic characterafter the very obvious drawing of paracelsus as the main weapon used to hit and kill things with. You are a genuine anomaly. Also when slayer looks the way he does a.k.a not like the usual stereotypical vampire, him not being based on ALL the usual obvious blood and transformation vampire shit.
>>715407683Killer Instinct is something I would play more if it didn't have such a huge filesize.
>>715407780Make me
>>715407963How do you see blood on the weapon and think "she uses this to transform" is the real question.
If she carried around IV bags I would think that
>>715399552I grew up with both melee and capcom/snk/VF, you're a tiring boomer who is screeching about shit you never played and therefore dont understand.
>>715407123Not related to your discussion but I just realized the empty spaces on the keys (Para and the one on her head) make crosses
>>715396136They already abandoned the hardcore FGC, they are just stuck in their ways and dont know what to do with the genre besides streamlining for retards.
>>715398585I actually really like him, he's a weird case of an east asian hyper weeb who isn't a bitch because he grew up around ghetto fighting game kids. if he were a zoomer he'd be an a high pitched retard who talks and acts like a strive tranny.
The mix of east asians and black western kids in the FGC is premium rush hour shit.
It's a boring and stressful genre to be honest.
You get very diminishing returns of enjoyment. Cruising through people who are worse than you has absolutely no joy unless you're a turbo autist or a 40 year old retard virgin. Conversely, losing doesn't feels particularly bad but it's not enjoyable at all. Usually in order to win you have to either download the replay or figure out what you did wrong, then lab PROPERLY. That means understanding how the opposite character works in order to lab and see whether it's an air tight sequence or you can find gaps to win.
Winning in 1700 or 1800 mr has no meaning because someone else can still beat you and you're not winning EVO first place so it's essentially only enjoyable when the community behind it is a good one, which, I still haven't found. Anime fighters particularly have some of you retards in them which make for cringe human beings.
They're a pretty straightforward and easy genre to understand for people who like repetitive things, because it's essentially the same game with different flavors. Just because one game has more pushback, or stunblock, or the game revolves more about oppressive mechanics or anti airs are better, or oki is better with fireballs, or there's a plus frame data mechanic, doesnt' means its not objectively a repetitive thing really. You just like a different flavor of ice cream, but it is ice cream after all.
I genuinely don't think I've ever much enjoyed it other than beating an obnoxious people on the other side, it simply doesn't has the same impact as winning with a team.
>>715408126Anon you see blood on the weapon and assume she is going to hit people with it, like 99% of people with common sense assume, then look at the key and think "oh there's something wrong with that key" then what do you know there is and it transforms which gives her an install which is just going apeshit and getting faster/stronger. Would you whine about sol having install because "he doesn't look like he'd have one" too?
>>715396447Funny thing is half circles are pretty rare already so retard is complaining about a problem it's making up
>>715398585I enjoy how he just doesn't give a fuck. When nobody in the FGC wanted to touch Diesel Legacy because of "le evil Mike Z" being attached to it, he made like 3 videos on it and didn't even make any kind of grovelling apology or preface about the """"""controversy"""""" he just played it and said it was sick and told his audience to buy it.
>>715409271Half circle is very important when you main Makoto
>>715408295NTA but I think it should be obvious from this thread and every other fighting game thread that the people interested in fighting games are not interested in Smash or its clones. Saying "hurr durr its the evolution of the genre though!" just makes people think you're a retarded faggot.
I like fighting game single player modes
Am I a gay retard?
>"X genre just needs to evolve man it just needs to innovate instead of just doing what works"
>okay how
>suggests the dumbest, shittiest things imaginable, many of which have been done before and were bad
Every fucking time. What genre is actually evolving right now? Seriously no one can ever answer this question. We've been stuck between minor iterations and outright regression for at least 15 years if not longer across the entire industry. Nearly all the innovation has already happened.
>>715409870No it just means you can enjoy the game in different ways.
>>715409630I never once said it was THE evolution of the genre, its an evolution among an infinite number of possibilities, particularly when the subject matter is "why aren't fighting games more popular". You're an annoying testy bitch who gets triggered by games you never played that are purely brought up to prove that the genre has been stagnant for basically 30 years. smash itself is now so fucking old it has become a symbol of the same stagnation.
I truly do not give a shit what games you or any retard of 4chan is interested in and there is nothing less important or interesting than your boring genre classifications and definitions.
Fighting games are dead to /v/ because they get filtered so easily.
>>715410069k
smash still isnโt a fighting game though
take a shower stinky
>>715409870If you don't go spouting bullshit like why this genre is dead or excuse #512 why you suck ass then no, go play it how you want
>>715409870same, I chiefly play them offline because I can't be fucked to get sweaty and grind. just fin fighting bots
>>715410232I'm always fascinated how people here are so scared of playing against people
>>715375496 (OP)It's a secondary game or queue game that requires more setup than the primary game
>>715410126I understand you're bored but you're fighting ghosts, smash hasn't been competitively viable in 25 years and both tendies and smash pedos are maybe the only audience on this site as annoying as tekken tards and you. If you want to bait tendies you're in the wrong thread.
>>715409161>Would you whine about sol having install because "he doesn't look like he'd have one" too?Yes but mostly because I don't like supers that do that
>>715410372not scared of it. in fact I'd prefer it if I could just screen for other casuals, but it it's not fun to play again sweaty faggots on their alts just corning me all match. I don't want to no life a fighting game, why the fuck do you care?
>>715409161>oh there's something wrong with that keyThat's what I think about all the character designs in general, they are just wrong
>>715410372If the game is actually fun then single player is also fun
>>715410463You can just verse people and have fun you know?
>>715410463Yeah youโre just scared lmao
>>715410463>muh smurfsno the retarded ex DP mashing ken in gold is not smurfing you gigantic faggot
if you are playing some tranime game with a 15 playerbase sure but the skillbased matchmaking works in non discord games
>>715410484And you have an incredibly bizarre sense of how characters should play that isnโt based on anything
>>715410458it should be a bannable offense to be as boring as you.
this seething over people not wanting to play multiplayer is why fighting games are dead
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>>715410628>>715410639k. ill just keep playing offline as your genre continue to die because the fighting game player base is filled with insufferable faggots like you
>>715410703>>715410837>be retarded>make retarded excuse why you are retarded>get called out on it>NOOOOOOOOOOO I'm not retarded it's just your dead game (that I also happen to play) just not against big scary peopleyou smell
>>715410639Not him but the stuff I play online doesn't have much in the way of ranked and I would like to see other characters besides the meta pick
>>715410674Maybe but it pisses me off when I am playing a game like Guilty Gear and even the inputs don't make sense. Like there are non kick moves on kick buttons and stuff too. In addition to me not liking the art, thinking the characters don't play how they look, and other things
I'm not the type of person who thinks there is a single best fighting game mind you - you just mesh with the artstyle, characters, and bullshit or you don't.
And I don't like games that have deceptive animations (the game shows an animation but the hitbox barely matches it at all) or games that force you to play a certain way (negative penalty, too much focus on something like zoning, oki), or just games full of characters I don't like. I don't demand you hate that too but I can't stand it
>>715410612I typically would, but I generally get fighters on sale when all the dlc is out and I can get a discount bundle the time I move to a game all that is left is sweat lords. been thinking about getting SF6 tho
>>715410895retarded for just enjoying a game the way I want to play it? youre 100% fat irl
>>715410407You have incredibly bad taste
>>715410484You have both bad taste and the most strange if not outright stupid assumptions on what a character should play like based off their looks
>>715410924>people playing the game are actually sweatingI always wondered why this was such a common mindset here
>>715411067Okay but you can't force me to play a game I don't want to because I think it is too gimmicky and doesn't suit my taste.
arc sys fags are so hostile
>>715411089because it's true. if you don't keep up with the most recent and popular fighters, the general audience of people playing are sweaty autismos. it's fucking lame
>>715375496 (OP)It's sweaty as fuck, most people don't want to spend hours in practice mode everyday.
>>715410992Because you make excuses why you don't want to go online which is just cope everyone has heard a million times and you are too much of a pussy to just say you suck ass and need bots because they won't call you a scrub
now take a shower smelly
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU MUST PLAY ONLINE!!!
>*play online*
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU MUST PROVIDE GOOD HARDWARE AND A STABLE INTERNET CONNECTION, AS THIS GENRE RELIES ON PEER-TO-PEER NETWORKING AND THE DEVELOPER CAN'T AFFORD A DEDICATED SERVER
Lol
>>715411168It's not though. There's plenty of people at whatever skill level.
>>715411142I have never once said you should play GG just that every assumption you have is strange and fucking dumb.
As someone that actually lived through that era, fighting games were often the only meaningful competitive multiplayer game for the late 80s and early 90s. Everything else was just stuff like "Player 1 has a turn/player 2 has a turn" things like SMB, rare competitive side modes in some games like Mario Bros., and maybe Super Mario Kart. Arcades had more options but again, the technology was rudimentary that fighting games were often the most robust option, with the closest being racing games.
By the mid 90s, the fifth gen had arrived, and internet access had started to become more commonplace. Dedicated multiplayer in first person shooters was becoming commonplace, and the FPS market increased exponentially once Goldeneye was released in 1997 for the N64, proving the viability of the format on consoles, where it continues to dominate to this day. Hell, even without the internet, who can forget Pokemania? Anybody that had a link cable automatically became everybody's friend back then. Beyond that, after the turn of the century, other genres continued to find ways to incorporate online multiplayer.
Fighting games aren't growing because they have actual market competition. Everybody would literally rather just play anything else and people actually have options. Why bother with learning a fighting game when you can just hop into Fortnite or Call of Duty and start blasting dudes?
>>715411268>too poor to afford a cable
>>715375496 (OP)Street Fighter is still going strong
>>715411324I don't think so. If a character, or on a wider level, a game, is counter intuitive to play it isn't fun and no amount of trying to force fun will make it happen, especially if nothing draws me to it apart from "other people play it"
>>715376648BINGO this is the problem. Fighting games are inherently social. Online matchmaking give you 1 of 2 outcomes: 1. get good and none of your matches ever change because you are matched against exactly your skill level 2. get good and you are infinitely permanently matched against nolife losers who spent 3742 hours mastering the game and nothing you do matters
>>715411268>3rd worlder can't afford a $5 ethernet cablethat wasn't the gotcha you thought it was you drooling retard
>>715411267again, I'll just stay offline and watch the genre die. I'm not committed either way and don't care. post your fat body.
>>715375496 (OP)Most of these games are copies of Street Fighter or are inspired by Street Fighter.
Notice that games that are fighting games but have no relation to Street Fighter (Mortal Kombat, Smash Bros, Dragon Ball FighterZ and Naruto Ninja Storm) always end up being the most popular.
>>715375496 (OP)Times change pops, nobody wants to practice strings for 100 hours just to getv1 comboed online
That is not fun at all
>>715385918SamShoVSpecial is literally the best fighting game ever and no one will ever admit this.
I had fun in mk armageddon konquest and deception minigames
>>715411348I think it is simpler than that.
Fighting games are fun to play once in a while but not fun to play as your main game for years and years, barely putting time into other games.
>>715411438Yeah better to not commit to anything that takes effort because that is very scary and I need to dedicate myself to a life of mediocrity
you people make up the most insane copes to say fighting games are dead
>>715411514I want to but in another better game with more free flow movement and an actual fun single player if i get bored
>>715375496 (OP)Feels like it has always been a niche genre.
>>715411348>Why bother with learning a fighting game when you can just hop into Fortnite or Call of Duty and start blasting dudes?The question is, why people bother learning Fornite and Call of duty?
>>715411381>>715411429>Hardware touch 40 FPS (which is common on consoles)>You start jumping around from the opponent's perspectiveLol... Also I can just connect to my router via cable, and my router connects to the modem over wifi still counted as "wired" lol. P2P is dead, and supporting this shitty practice is a cuck mentality
>>715411720Which console?
>>715411631never said that faggot, I instead commit to more important pursuits that grinding out a fucking fighting game lmao. I spend most of my time doing more interesting things, video games a side hobby. says a lot about you honestly.
>>715411868>posts on 4chan
>>715411923>goes on the Internet oh man of geez 4chan muh secret club!! grow up fucking retard.
Patch culture and devs somehow STILL making awful game balance and game mechanic choices basically doomed the genre. Capcom has spent more money shilling SF6 as Japan's one and only fighting game, they've spent more money shilling it than what it took to actually make it at this point. To the point where there's gonna be some dumb anime about some cute girls that play SF6 specifically. Capcom forced it to become the "main" fighting game and guess what? it's still a shit game, and an even worse Street Fighter game. But they are absolutely appealing to the baby bitch casual audience, they don't care about pro players on the grand scale of things. No one does, genre's fucked.
>character uses super/dp
>they miss you, you land behind them
>you have to wait for the entire animation to finish before doing an attack because they STILL have I-frame
This is the singular biggest reason fighting games are shit
If you play any character who has this, fuck you
>>715411987You're the one talking about spending your time on "important pursuits" while posting here.
>>715411868ah yes the reddit dad excuse
things are REALLY complicated in real life but when it comes to pressing buttons against some drunk silver ken online mashing super, that is where I draw the line
you are a fucking loser lmao
>the skill floor is too high!
meanwhile millions and millions of people play online chess, a game older and more autistically analyzed than any fighting game.
>>715412034yeah not everyone lives on here like you retard
>>715412037you won't ever post your fat ass body.
>>715412197Yet you still post here.
>>715375496 (OP)All the fighting games that aren't dead online are shit
I reckon if people who complain about fighting games here put that time into playing them, they wouldn't be complaining at all.
>>715412168It is easier to move a few pieces of wood than to make very specific movements with the analogue stick.
>>715412168>oh you did the "Giuoco Piano" that strategy was develped back in the 1500s, by an Italian noble named...Yeah, Chess has the most developed meta there exists in all of gaming
>>715412037I knew a guy who sounds like you. was the biggest cocky cunt when it came to fighting games, and was first to talk as if he was king shit. worked in a gas station as a cashier irl at 30 and weighed about 300 lbs. kek
>>715411420What the fuck are you talking about retard? Does a character not fitting your stupid fanfiction about how they should play in your head make a game counter intuitive to play? Are you replying to the wrong post? this entire conversation is about you for some reason assuming the obvious key axe character would be some dumb shit magician, then me and atleast one other person calling you dumb for having these assumptions about how characters should play. Again, no one told you to play GG or to force yourself to keep playing.
>>715412329Do you cry everytime you open a door?
>>715412372Grinding fighting games is not useless if you become a top 5 player. Many of those are content creators & earn more money than both of us & have families.
>>715412372yep telling people to play fighting games against actual people is truly a measure of cockiness
you retards actually scrape the bottom of the cope jar for this shit
Terms like "sweaty" and "tryhard" are so funny to me, they are always used here to just describe someone who plays the game.
>>715412329Funny to imagine demanding some 90 year old so some input to put someone in mate.
>>715412373>Does a character not fitting your stupid fanfiction about how they should play in your head make a game counter intuitive to play?One of several factors, yes. If nobody feels fun to play and to look at a and just clicks I don't really feel a want to learn the game and it becomes harder to learn even if I wanted to put time into it. Another arc sys example is that you can't link certain taeger moves into each other even though it is the thing most people would want to do and is the most intuitive way to play the character. Don't really like how he looks or plays either but when forced to play games I don't like I usually pick the easier characters so technical skill hardly matters.
>this entire conversation is about you for some reason assuming the obvious key axe character would be some dumb shit magicianWhat? I assumed it would be a lock down character if anything - use summons to lock down, hit with key sweetspot/disjoint, repeat.
Sounds like you are getting mad because I don't like the character designs and movesets and shit, didn't even touch on the universal mechanics I hate.
>>715410232>>715410372I'll play popular games online because it's convenient to go into the ranked modes and start playing right away. But I still buy "dead" games so I can play single player, especially if they're cheap. Even if I could technically try hard to find someone for those dead games by going to discord or fightcade or whatever, the fact that it takes like 20 minutes to get someone really puts me off.
Also it's weird, I ask MexiGoku1985 for a match, go FT3 and then it's like, I gotta talk to him. Or leave. Then I ask again in like 10 minutes and it's him again. It feels like a commitment. Like I'm showing up to a party and it's 4 guys and I can't blend in, and I can't leave or I'm being rude. Whereas in a populated ranked mode I can just drop in and drop out whenever I want, like any single player game.
>>715412639sometimes some people do try too hard though. when you are playing at home you should allow yourself some experimentation and to do silly stuff it can be good practice so you learn to use the full kit of a character even the bad moves.
>>715412759The thing is though, that's never what they're referring to in these threads.
>>715410628>>715410639He's right but for the wrong reasons. Fighting games are a miserable experience when you can't fight someone at or near your skill level, regardless of what any "FGC" influencer tells you. They're just simply not fun. However, finding someone at or near your skill level, regardless of what it is, makes fighting games one of the most fun video game genres to ever exist. Extremely high highs and extremely low lows. What he's wrong about is them being "sweaty faggots on their alts". They're just simply people too far outside his skill level.
>>715412356>Me on the left trying to get my buddy to go drinking but he's too busy playing his autism games
>>715375496 (OP)Fighting games are dead because VR goggles don't ship with ankle trackers. VR development didn't include fighting games. Fighting games thus simply continued to copy traditional sidescrolling viewpoint action. The games were just copy pasted from the past, but with better graphics.
>>715387004this is why I want more tagkino games coming out in 2026 to support co-op. Only 2XKO having it so far sucks balls. Imagine going to your local for Tokon and seeing 8 dudes huddled together on one monitor playing 4v4 matches
>>715393704https://youtu.be/rokusahqvF8?si=83qr_VzMcT_RBJDy
>>715412662You do not understand what counter intuitive means. Every game has set rules on what can go to what and you not liking the designs, rules or the way characters play and then dropping it because of this is not a game being counter intuitive. Stop using words you don't actually understand.
>use summons to lock down, hit with key sweetspot/disjoint, repeatYou mean like a magician SUMMONING shit you dense idiot? If you dislike the designs or the way the character plays fine whatever, but seeing a character with very obvious traits, like being a freak with a bloody key axe to just hit people and only hit people, and then making up a completely random, unrelated to the design, way that you think she should play is braindead retarded. Zero thought.
>>715375496 (OP)>dominates whatever game he is innothin personnel kid
>>715413967>counter intuitiveSomething that opposed to being intuitive and easy to grasp, is not intuitive and goes against your instincts or habits.
>You mean like a magician SUMMONING shit you dense idiot?No.
Magician implies that they use magic and tricks, key itself could be magical and summon for her.
Not like I know shit about GG lore. Also compared to sorcerers I know wrapped in bandages wielding weapons yeah it could be possible, even though that wasn't the thought process I was using
>>715376417Are you... implying shit threads on this shithole actually affect fighting games as a whole?
>>715396908No, fuck off, that is not a fucking fighting game.
Devs have already watered down the genre more than enough, we absolutely do not need them to further disfigure fighting games into... whatever the fuck you want.
>>715396908It's time for Sugoi Hebereke 2
>>715396870>"I press the buttons gooder, therefore I am your superior" is an absolutely ludicrous takeIt's a concept baked into society and human nature, the better one wins and the grind to get anywhere near "average" for fighting game standards is a masochistic humiliation ritual. Doesn't help that fighting game balancing has always been complete ass so if you mesh well with one of the lower tiers you're shit out of luck.
>>715396870>"I press the buttons gooder, therefore I am your superior"I say this.
>>715412000>To the point where there's gonna be some dumb anime about some cute girls that play SF6 specificallyTo be fair that manga predated SF6โs existence. Itโs just that in the manga they played a fake fighting game and Capcom saw another marketing opportunity for marketing and let the studio off the hook for actually having to animate anything.
Also people are gonna be really disappointed when they realize itโs all just a vehicle for yurishit.
>>715396908I want different flavors of Street Fighter 2 and there's nothing wrong about that.
>>715396908nidhogg exists
>>715416836>anime full of cute girls drawn in shoujo style>game sections will show the horrendous RE engine abominations in SF6kek
That shit is going to be so fucking jarring.
>>715375496 (OP)Because spending a ton of time learning one and then a sequel comes out/playerbase moves on to another game/balance patch changes everything leaves you feeling like you wasted your time. Ironically it doesnt help that these games keep becoming easier. Fighting game straight up arent fun unless you're part of a social environment with a bunch of people that play fighting games.
>>715375496 (OP)The FGC and their obsession with balance and competition killed the scene. It kills all the other fightan that, while not balanced, is actually fun to play on a single player basis
>>715417123>single player
>shit talk
>banned by capcum and snoy
>shit talk but youre trans
>forced to play guilty gear
simple really
>>715417232Aren't you supposed to be crying about how your money was stolen?
>>715410612yeah, with your friends
>>715417586>newfag drinks esports cumand no
>>715375496 (OP)Too hard and high IQ for your average unga bunga gamer.
>>715376048they hated him because he told the truth
ever since sneedvo sold out to snoy it's been a dead event shambling along as a zombie that all it does is shill snoy faggot shit
>>715376417>dead subreddits on a dead subreddit aggregatorfuck off retard
What I've learned reading this thread is that people here don't actually mean something is dead, just that they don't like it.
>>715419504That is definitely the case with a lot of people, yes. However, we DO have retard zoomies who call anything not doing top numbers on Twitch "le ded gaem"
>>715416459>>715416783"remove your ego" Is a cope from fighting fags even though literally every aspect about why they play fighting games feeds into ego in some way
>>715383978>GG Strive does record numbers>Street Fighter 6, Mortal Kombat 1, and Tekken 8 release within a year of each other>Even Fatal Fury and fucking Virtua Fighter release a new game>Marvel V Capcom legacy edition and MaxDoods Infinite update make Mahvel more relevant than it's been in 15 years>Multiversus, there I said the nameThat WAS the FGC renaissance anon. The last we old heads will ever have.
>>715417123>I do not want to play a game where playing against the retarded characters is equally not fun regardless of how little or how much you know>NOOO THINK OF THE HECKIN SINGLEPLAYER GEMSfuck off and stick to mk you stupid retard.
>>715405068I've never met a long-term moba player who was happy. You are all manic-depressive masochists who enjoy raging about how other people made you fail.
>>715422096Tangent but I constantly see posts online with people calling online multiplayer stressful and I don't get it.
>>715407258besides this game having 40$ dlc for 4 characters
they ruined soul caliber 6 with those stupid special moves, same with all the other fighting games where you press L+R at 20% health to get a half a bar of damage on the opponent they just aren't fun for anyone anymore
What kind of dumbass picks up a fighting game, looks at characters and realizes he doesn't like any of them, then doesn't quit while making headcanon about how characters should play based off design?
>>715411692Gaming has grown to the point where FGC is niche, but the playerbase is genuinely bigger than it's ever been. We're talking magnitudes of exponential growth.
>>715422276i do this except i play them instead of just look at them
>>715412323This is the REAL issue. People simply don't like being challenged. but if all the people who WANTED to play fighters just suddenly did one day, then they would have an endless amount of noobs to play against. So many people psyche themselves out for fear of failure, not just in Vidya.
>>715421317Don't forgot Killer Instinct mega update they did a few months back. That definitely deserves a mention.