Thread 715388607

>make the first boss literally impossible
shit game

>>715388607 (OP)
Level up more, and use the NPC summon and the jellyfish.

>>715388805
>just use cheats

>>715388607 (OP)
>telegraphs his attack for literally 5 seconds before actually attacking
why does miyazaki like this retarded shit so much?

>>715388875
>optional mechanics in the game
>cheats

You prideful 'Didn't beat the game' bitches are really upset that From went full normie-core, huh?

>>715389104
that would be a delay not a telegraph, retard.

>>715388875
No, just use the mechanics of the game. It’s only souls games where people act like it’s a sin to use useful tools they designed the game to played with. This time they even made summons collectibles with their own upgrade materials.
While I’m at it, nobody uses shields, and just rolls around because I guess that’s supposed to make it harder. The new guard counter is fun, but I never see anyone use it. And it was always fun to parry, but everyone always says they don’t know how to time the parry because they never use the damn shield.

>glintstone gets hammer, bow and four different flavours of sword
>dragon lightning gets glaive, spear and double spear
>golden garbage gets no weapon at all despite it being like half the moveset of its last remaining adherent

>>715388607 (OP)
>impossible
This nigger has literally never killed me. If you do all of Limgrave before fighting him it's a cakewalk.

>>715388607 (OP)
>first boss
?

>>715389427
coming before all others in time or order; earliest; 1st.

>>715389304
whatever fromslopper

>>715389498
I just started playing this yesterday and haven't seen that guy yet, I think I killed 5 or 6 things that could be called bosses now

>>715390159
stop exploring and follow the grace alraedy

Just 2kat. 2kat through it all until you get Rivers of Blood. That's what I did first playthrough and I died like 5-10 times at most. Mostly from Gravity, never from a boss.
I don't see the hype around that rot lady boss. I just used Rivers on her and she died instantly with my mimic lol maybe everyone else sucks?

>>715389427
I mean, you can bumrush him pretty quick if you get Torrent right outside the gate, go up the hill, and follow the road to the castle. Plus you get your second talisman slot from him, so he's pretty good to kill right away.

>>715389104
>slow ass windup
>retard-fast barrage of attacks
I hate this shit so much. Souls games leaning more into action and away from the rpg side of ARPG was a mistake.

>>715390594
>mimic
shitter tier, I summoned some guy and he did it while I was scrolling tiktok. Easiest boss in the game.

>>715390795
your irish eceleb god isn't going to make from do more garbage gimmick bosses.

>>715390953
>tiktok
literal garbage tier.
were on insta reels now, keep up

>>715390594
RoB was nerfed ages ago. Moonveil and Blasphemous Blade are the "I don't want any challenge" weapons in PvE now.

>>715391295
funny in niggareign rivers of blood destroys moonveil its not even close

>>715389379
>Cypher pata
>coded sword
>golden order greatsword
>golden halberd
>inseparable sword
>sacred relic sword
>selurias tree
>merikas hammer
>golden epitaph
>blade of calling
>wing scythe

>>715391507
Nvm I noticed my retardation. Wish we could get the pee weapons morgot uses

>Killed him first try pre-nerf
Acquire skill.
>YOU PROBABLY USED
Yes I did, I'm not a faggot that ignores game mechanics so I can pound my chest about how HARDCORE I am to retards on the internet.

>>715388607 (OP)
I beat him but it really is a shit game. Beating bosses doesn't feel rewarding, it's just going from one slogfest to the next in an ugly world with a shitty story.

>pre nerf consort
>failed in every sense to use dark moon, other weapons, tank build, frost bleed builds, greatshields, summons, ect
>decide to day fuck it, lose the shield and armor, fast roll with the great katana on frost
>win with no trouble
My mind was too focused on blocking

>>715391454
Probably because it drops for Executor but the only character with the right stats for it is Duchess. It's okay on Recluse but not better than just spamming real spells.

>>715389104
>>715389527
>>715390795
>see boss move
>panic roll
>get punished
>HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
lmaoing @ "action gamers"

>>715388607 (OP)
Maybe you should git gud.

elden buttfuck: shadow of mogh's gaped anus

>>715388607 (OP)
>First boss

not true, but behind him is the easiest rune in the game

>Gives you a chance to kill Godrick first

Also making Margit optional

>Difficulty

If you're tryhard sl1 it gets harder. but once you learn his pattern you'll steamroll most things in the game because they have the same pattern
I can't deny that it took me hours to beat it. I can say that a lot of the time was spent loading screens and because of my tryhard build. But the truth is that it took me a good 2 or 3 hours to beat it. I'll give you another tip, try not to use lock-on. It makes it harder for you, but it also makes it harder for the boss because it breaks his tracking. There's the noob evargol with the noob speedrun sword

>>715392186
If it had a cutscene it's a boss

>>715392285
He's a boss, but it's optional. Only rune bosses count towards completion

>>715388805
>just don't beat the game, bro. You got this!

>>715389104
you can hit him you know

>>715392509
hitting a boss is newfaggery cheating. what you should do is go full cleric mode with healing spells and use npc summons and play as an RPG Priest

>>715390534
That is retarded.
You're supposed to only fight Margit after you basically cleared the rest of the area and Weeping Peninsula.
Maybe only leaving the Dragon, Tree Sentinel, and Crucible Knight for after him.
He's balanced around a player that is level 30-40.

Foul tarnished, put these foolish ambitions to rest.

>>715388607 (OP)
He punishes noobs that panic roll
The fact you can see every attack he's about to pull three seconds before he does makes him one of the easiest

Also, why the fuck is everyone claiming he's not the first boss?
He is. Forget rune shittery.
He's obviously intended to be fought as the first boss, from his moveset to his dialogue. And according to rays of grace too.
If anything, godrick is less of a boss than he is.

>>715393319
wat the fuck
that would be like doing bell gargoyles at level 40.

>>715389302
It went normie core before dark souls was even a thing. Real hard core niggas play tecmos revenge

>>715388607 (OP)
I had a shit longsword & barely hurt him then I found a greatsword & beat him first try with that.

>>715393319
Are you braindamaged?
Let me guess, you overleveled for absolutely every fight in the game.
Fought renalla at rl100?
He's literally a boss you could beat on rune level 10 with no difficulty.
Can you explore and make his fight trivial?
Yes.
Do you need to/should you?
Absolutely not.
Skip tree sentinel, go to the church, (cave optional) than pick up map, go up to roderika and if you killed all the enemies on the way, you'll be ready to take Margit on no problem.
Just the giant alone gives you three levels.

>>715393646
There's no reason to fight bosses until you want to, exploring limgrave and the weeping penisula before doing margit is perfectly reasonable first playthrough behavior.

>>715393425
The entire intended experience is that you run up to Margit, eat shit, and then head South and only come back after you beat everything else.
Doing Morne Castle after clearing Stormveil is pointless, but doing it beforehand as a way to get levels and experience with the game makes a ton of sense.
Fighting the Erdtree Avatar after beating Margit is also one of those, "this is now trivialized" scenarios. But doing it beforehand again, fits perfectly.
Margit is only a ballbuster if you do like 100 damage per swing because you're level 15 and can barely wear your own starting armor without fat rolling. If you come in after doing the rest of Limgrave it feels extremely balanced as your toughest boss so far, but one that is entirely doable within a few tries.

>>715391859
no executor does more damage with it in nightreign even the weapon art. check the scaling and test yourself if you don't believe me.

>>715389320
People were like that with Magic, and phantom summons up to this point too.

>>715393646
Renalla is probably best balanced around a player that is level 60-ish. Which is a natural level you'd get if you circled around Liurnia before you fought her and cleared the Manor and beat Loretta.
She is not very hard, and you can't force it just by being underleveled.

Most people are not going to beat Margit at level 10 with no difficulty.
Perhaps you can, or perhaps you are larping that you can. It doesn't make a difference.
What does make a difference is that he and the dungeon behind him are meant to be beaten as basically the last thing you do in Limgrave. Their HP and damage resistance is set for a standard build around levels 30-40.

Why would you ever go down to the Weeping Peninsula after you beat Margit and Godrick?
Why do you think that FromSoft put those areas in the game?

>>715393785
Theoretically you could skip half the game by just exploring and finding shortcuts/alternative routes, but exploration should be done between bosses, not after you run into one and get your ass beat.
That's like saying "oh, damn, you beat my ass hard. now sit here in the ring while I go get a decade of personal coaching from mike tyson".
I'm a firm believer in facing the boss whenever the hell you come across them.
If you, somehow, organically missed margit until level 40, sure, you go have fun swatting a mosquito, but if the first, easiest boss made you think "oh shit nigger I have to go overlevel for this fight this shieet too tuff", maybe consider minesweeper?

>>715394280
This is just your outlook that I, thankfully, think most players are smart enough to not share.

>>715394067
>Why would you ever go down to the Weeping Peninsula after you beat Margit and Godrick?
I always thought you were supposed to explore those parts after beating renalla.
You'll need to if you want to go to caelid and the hidden cities, anyway, which comes way after stormgate.
Also, most of the quests there are better and more smoothly done once you progress a bit into the game.

>>715394280
Do you enjoy playing games in the way that generates the most friction instead of the way that literally any rational person in or out of the setting would do so?
Margit is meant as a trap for noobs to run up to and find a wall, that then tells them that ignoring the grace pixie dust is smart sometimes and that the open world the game is set in, is designed to be used.
Basically, all bosses are designed to be fought after you did most of the stuff in the region. It gets you to a point of doing good damage and having enough HP to survive a few fuck ups.

The only one I'd recommend expediting would be Morgott/Margit 2 if you already beat Radahn or cleared the Volcano Manor. Because his scaling is low in that case, and Altus has a lot of EXP that would actually make you OP for him.
But if you're coming off of beating Rennala, you'd be fine exploring without getting too overleveled.

>>715388607 (OP)
how did you get past Soldier of God, Rick?

>falseflag OP just to bait his fellow soulsloppers to post "get good"
No, the game is shit because the open world is empty and there's no point in exploring. The "dungeons" are full of useless loot. Too much copy and paste. Unfun schizo bosses that are more rng gated than skill gated. DLC is extra trash and obvious cash grab. And since they know soulsloppers eat it up, they released their coop mode as a standalone game.

>nooo it's not impossible you just have to grind until you outlevel the boss, or abuse summons, or abuse the poise system!
great "souls" game

>>715394768
What do you think a souls game is?

isn't the npc summon only like level 12 or something

>>715388875
Well you can't seem to beat it otherwise.

>>715394584
The Peninsula or the Mistwood?
The Mistwood, with all the Rune Bears, is probably better later on, because going to Soifra early is just kinda pointless. But the Peninsula is definitely balanced around early game stuff.
The Demi-Human Staff is only good if you have under 40 INT, for example. Which is great for someone in Limgrave, but a caster coming off of just beating Rennala would find it useless. And the Lion Misbegotten Boss at the end would die in like 5 hits to someone that cleared Liurnia before showing up.

>>715394812
To me souls games were games with reasonable difficulty where I could roll my way through bosses. Instead of having to rely on cheap tactics such as leveling up until they were trivial, or summoning.

>>715394841
You can't grind in Demon's Souls

>>715394884
Good thing this isn't Demon's Souls then.

>>715394702
>The "dungeons" are full of useless loot.
i see we have a "consumes and spells and weapons other than claymore" are cheating retard! welcome in! you can find the other disabled anons over there playing ds1 for the 1000th time!

>>715394013
I'd like to see these people try to beat Promised Consort Radahn with pure a pure magic build with no summons/Spirit Ashes.
East mode in Elden Ring is poking behind a greatshield with a rapier/spear, not magic, especially if you don't summon.

post your weaponfu

>>715394872
>pride

>>715394975
I'm so mad I hardly ever see this bitch in Nightreign even though I play Raider all the time

>>715393446
The Adventures of Cookie & Cream is where FromGodware really came into their own, commercially and artistically.

>>715394975
My beloved.

>>715394975
pure int, astrologer start, had to level str enough to use it

>>715388607 (OP)
The point is that you get your ass kicked and decide to go explore elsewhere. The game gives you like 3 dozen other bosses to fight and a quarter of the game's landmass to explore before he even becomes necessary.

>>715394975
This is still the most fun weapon in the game.

>>715394975
I just think it's neat.

>>715395184
too strong, the beam does too much poise dmg even post-nerf

>>715395013
>find it
>it doesn't have wild strikes

>>715395025
Most sovlful game From ever made.
>actually difficult playing it the intended way
>plot is kino
>no DUDE LE FIRE IS FADING LE EVIL IS SETTLING IN LE REMEMBER LE BLOODBORNE COSMIC HORROR BS repetitive story, just pure fun and an actually competently told story
>precise controls, actually a far cry of the from of today
>COLORFUL
It's like after Demon Souls this company changed forever.

>>715395302
It is still very good, but calling anything too powerful in pve when shield poking exists doesn't make a lot of sense.

How true is this?

>>715391613
>pee weapons morgot uses
They're hard-light versions of the following weapons
>Erdsteel Dagger (get it from Kenneth Haights after reclaiming his fort)
>Carian Knight's Sword (troll carriage north of the Four Belfries' grace)
>Giant-crusher (troll carriage south of that grace on the outskirts of Leyndell)
>Treespear (troll carriage southeast of Liurnia Highway South grace)

>>715394975
>iframe stylish dodge instead of gay rolling
>55 stance damage for 7 fp
>never nerfed or buffed, perfect as it is
Glory to Luminary Mohg

>>715395531
both are unfun to play imo

>>715389498
He's the third unavoidable boss.

>>715388607 (OP)
Kind reminder that if you used
> rivers of blood
>flame grant me strenght and golden vow
>comet azur
>star spiral
>lion claw
>giant hunt
>blasphemous blade
>boss skips (tanky shield-poke build for PCR, purifying crystal tear, Margit/Mohg's shackle, serpent-hunter spear, blasphemous claw)
>summons and spirit ashes (duh)
Then you didn't truly play and beat the game besides riding around on a horse and playing the game of whack-a-mole with your unga-bunga retard friendly toys for 100 hours

>>715395602
gestut

>>715394975
I like Knight's Greatsword. It shares a moveset with Lucatiel's Mirrah Hollowslayer Greatsword from Dark Souls 2 and 3, and has a nice choice of Ashes of War you can use with it.
I start every playthrough getting it from one of the knights in north Limgrave.

>>715395602
>fextralife
i can assure you whatever is in there is wrong.

>>715388607 (OP)
I wonder why they made him so much more difficult than Godrick.
Was it deliberate?

>>715394975
I like this big dumb sword

>>715394975
The Conan sword.

>>715395687
>Carian Knight Sword
That's an odd one, you sure it's not a different one?

>>715395715
you "forgot" to include royal knight's resolve and a colossal weapon/jump attacks because that's how you played, isnt it?

>>715395602
The Dragonbarrow stuff feels right. I went into the dungeon on the side of Radahn's boss arena and did no fucking damage until I came back way later.
Leyndell should be on par with Caelid. If you're that high level against Morgott, you'll be chunking him too hard to enjoy the fight like you'd want to. I'd swap around Volcano Manor and Leyndell unless you want something specific from its invasion quests. Rykard is almost impossible to ever get overleveled for because he's a gimmick fight.

>>715395760
My whole game gets decided by whether I find this or Banished Knight's Greatsword first, BKGS has higher scaling but is a squeak shorter (weapon length actually does matter) and is theoretically found later as the earliest possible spot for a Banished Knight with a sword is inside Stormveil Castle

Obviously BKGS looks nicer paired with brighter or more silvery armors and KGS looks nicer paired with darker armors

>>715395715
>Comet Azur
Even before it was nerfed it let you kill like 3 mini bosses that don't matter and nothing else. How is that in the same tier as Giant Hunt that can permanently stunlock the hardest boss of the game?

>>715388607 (OP)
God I missed ER threads back at release. Margit filtered so many anons

>>715394884
You can farm 99 grass

>>715388690
kek

>>715388607 (OP)
If you're a coward and stay far away from him, he'll do that lunging hammer attack where he jumps far up into the sky to attack you.
And this attack of his is super easily punishable.

Unironically cowards have an easier time with him than most people trying to be cool.

>>715396045
>How is that in the same tier as Giant Hunt that can permanently stunlock the hardest boss of the game?
because STR/quality shitters dont want to talk about their broken skills and ashes then pretend they're "good" at the game and every other build isnt
see: >>715395971

>>715392186
I genuinely don't understand how people play these games with lock-on, it's so fucking terrible.
Also
tap L1 if the boss is just walking around waiting for you to do something

>>715396028
Based Lucatielfriend. I usually give it Piercing Fang since the Elden Ring swords don't have the thrust attack that her sword had.

>>715396060
I remember struggling with him a lot back then. But then when I cam back to the game a month ago, I beat him first try or so. Maybe they nerfed him a lot since hen or its because I had been playing drunk all the time back then. I beat him that time too, but it took way more tries.

>>715388607 (OP)
>make all the coolest and most unique weapons deal holy damage
>make every single major boss in the game resistant to holy damage

>>715395960
It actually is the Carian Knight's Sword model, its mesh has spots for the glintstone gems on the original weapon
It's an odd duck among his weaponry, I would have thought he'd have a Lordsworn's Straight Sword instead, but off the top of my head there aren't really any explicitly "history of Leyndell" straight swords going on in the game. Carian Knight's Sword is probably a reference to Radagon, or simply to the war between the Golden Order and the Carian royals

>>715395715
Power stanced colossal swords belong on this list.

>>715395971
Also that and pure bleed builds, Ruin Greatsword, broken talismans like dragoncrest. It really is a children friendly game so it's tedious to list all of it.

>>715389104
he is the fell omen

>>715391859
Nightreign has unnerfed RoB, you still get full damage at max range. Also most/all purple/gold weapons in Nightreign had their arts changed to scale with AR instead of whatever they used in Elden Ring, Wylder does more damage than Recluse with Sword of Night and Flame's laser.

>>715396129
You don’t farm grass, stupid. It grows everywhere!

>>715396174
>Play pure caster Sorcery/INT with no summons on 1st playthrough
>Grueling back and forth life and death trying to find any window to cast a single spell as Goddess of Rot Malenia tries to decapitate my character
>Play STR with a big 2 Hand Great Hammer on 2nd playthrough
>Brainlessly unga-bunga jump attack every boss without thought or skill

I wonder if these players tried magic once in Dark Souls 1, saw that Crystal Soul Spear can 4 shot Ornstein and decided that magic is easy mode in any future game in the franchise without ever trying any of it ever again.

>>715396452
You're being really generous assuming they played a previous souls game and didn't just pull the opinion from some random youtuber

>>715396431
>he doesn't know
Stay asleep sheeple

>>715396045
STR shitters played the game on easy mode but they're not ready for that conversation

>>715396452
You can’t get Crystal Soul Spear against Ornstein unless you’re on NG+

>>715394975
Forever and always

>>715396574
Right you need to get to Big Hat Logan in the Archives, I guess it was just regular Soul Spear.

>>715396647
Mogged by fire knight gs

>>715396452
I think FromSoft was trying to give magic boys a hint when they had Rogier give you his upgraded rapier after you cleared Stormveil.
Telling you that you're probably going to have toget comfy with a melee weapon from that point on. Because bosses are going to rush you like its the NFL and getting distance is a pain in the ass.

>>715396647
Colossal weapons with bad defense stats are unusable abyssal dogshit tier EX

>>715396302
Sure was nice of them to give the Guts Greatsword B STR scaling when infused for Bleed, even though every other weapon in the game gets like D or C at best in non-Arcane stats.

>>715396654
I just did a magic build for the first time in DS1, it was extremely easy but also pretty fun.
Tried it in DS3 and wanted to kill myself.

>>715396698
>>715396762
Never asked, smelly brown jeets

>>715396729
Compare to Lordsworn's which has a different shape to its crossguard
For whatever reason, Morgot is rocking a Carian weapon in incantation form

>>715395253
BASED

>>715396840
The nice thing for INT in Dark Souls III is that you can fight Dancer of the Boreal Valley early and then cheese Oceiros, the Consumed King by baiting him to get stuck in tree roots and killing him with a bow so you can get the Moonlight Greatsword before even getting to Road of Sacrifices. But the issue with INT in Dark Souls III is that you hav to clear like 80% of the game to get the good spells and to actually have enough FP and flasks to play the game as a sorcerer.

>>715396840
DS3 in particular is the worst in the whole franchise about pigeon-holing you into a mage-knight if you want to use INT or FAI, pyromancers for example pretty much have no use for any spells that aren't Chaos Bed Vestiges and Warmth

Like the other guy says though INT does have options if you're willing to do some CBT to skip ahead to Oceiros

>>715394975
My favourite weapon/shield out of the DLC, it's fun and rewarding.

>>715394975
It's like the Blasphemous Blade but not an ugly OP weapon for metafags. Just comfy and reliable but honestly middle-of-the-road for Straith greatswords.

>>715395253
>>715397143
based fellow cumblade enjoyers

>>715396008
On my 1st playthrough I fought Morgott at level 70 and I felt overleveled, I don't know how do they recommend 110.

>FOUL TARNISHED
he killed millions btw. literally

>>715389302
You didn't beat the game

>>715398108
I love the way he spits out "Tarnished"
Like the word is poison on his lips

>>715398117
I beated the game

>>715398159
yeah it’s pretty kino. kinda wild how small voice lines like this will be remembered forever

>>715394975
luv wavy blade simple as

>pick wretch
>pick uchigatana from catacombs
>get pickel
>bait night's cavalary
>kill dragon
>bait other dragon
>get golen scarab
>kill tree sentinel
yeah, it's gaming time

>>715395715
I didnt use any of those and i suck at video games. Rapiers and heavy rapiers are cool, i just love status ailments in games in general. You could do some rot/poison/frostbite weapon from one of the heavy rapiers, it was amazing fun to play. Isnt Serpent-hunter spear mandatory for rykard? I suppose you can poison him with darts and just run around for 20mins but doesnt seem worth it

>>715396431
Yet you will never touch it !

>>715393425
>that would be like doing bell gargoyles at level 40.
I hate posers like you, ER goes to like lvl 140-150 like DaS2, DS1 went to like lvl 80

>>715395086
This one is mine too. In the Dark Souls I used the claymore, but I feel like Elden Ring is more "magical" game, so to make my character make sense in the game I've gone MLGS.

>>715394975
>nightrider glaive
>executioner greataxe
>bestoc
Weapons in this game are so good. Despite there being so many, the proportion of useless dogshit weapons is a lot smaller than in the previous games

>>715395602
Its pulled out of the author's ass and not based on anything factual, unlike this list:

Level 0: Tutorial
Level 1: Limgrave, Stormhill
Level 2: Weeping Peninsula
Level 3: Stormveil Castle
Level 4: None
Level 5: Ainsel River
Level 6: Liurnia of the Lakes, Siofra River, Academy of Raya Lucaria
Level 7: Caelid
Level 8: Redmane Castle, Altus Plateau
Level 9: Shaded Castle, Capital Outskirts, Mt. Gelmir, Nokron
Level 10: Divine Tower of Liurnia, Leyndell
Level 11: Volcano Manor, Nokstella, Lake of Rot, Deeproot Depths
Level 12: Mountaintops of the Giants
Level 13: Moonlight Altar, Subterranean Shunning-Grounds
Level 14: Crumbling Farum Azula
Level 15: Greyoll's Dragonbarrow, Leyndell (Ashen Capital)
Level 16: Consecrated Snowfield
Level 17: Mohgwyn Palace
Level 18: Miquella's Haligtree
Level 19: Elphael, Brace of the Haligtree

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cj1ZT2VH-rjWddqDSY0zTvNZfolZlXAHqhrdnTQe7hQ/

>>715388607 (OP)
I beat him without knowing how to level up on release, bleed is so insanely busted in elden ring it isn’t even funny

>>715388607 (OP)
Why did they make Godrick easier than Margit?

>>715388607 (OP)
Go explore the open world, ya dope.

>>715388607 (OP)
>first boss
bruh

>>715400967
Godrick's supposed to be an overcompensating chump, all his strength is from Tarnished parts

>>715400967
Godrick is meant to be pathetic, as indicated by dialogue with Kenneth Haight. Doesn't mean he isn't one of the coolest bosses From has ever made

>>715390795
B-BUT DS3 BEST IN SERIES *shit pants*

>>715401150
>>715401276
I thought that was meant to explain why he's the easiest demigod (even though that's probably Rennala), game-design-wise, I still don't get him being easier than the sub-boss.
And he's one of my favorite bosses in the game for the record.

>>715389320
Something I figured out with Elden Ring is that the more you give up and look things up, instead of just using everything that's in front of you, the less fun you're going to have. Playing the game with summons is pretty well balanced, IF you're playing blind. If you're rolling in with the mimic tear that you rushed to because someone told you how to get it, collossal weapon in-hand, because you found out that's the strongest move set, rocking 60 vigor exactly because you know that it's the best stat to invest in to that level, you're going to have a shit time.

I skipped the bullshit with Lies of P. I'm just playing it blind, WITH summons, and I'm having a grand ol' time.

>>715401487
It's both, Godrick is an easily-read chump and basically a huge version of the Grafted Scion enemies (arguably Grafted Scions are more threatening) similarly to Rennala being a juiced-up version of the normal Azur or Lusat themed sorcerer enemies you were fighting on the way up, he only just barely counts as a demigod and they spend a lot of time talking about him being a "distant relation"

The real mystery is why he has the best Great Rune

>>715401487
The reason why Margit (Morgott's apparition) appears in front of Stormveil in the first place is to pick off newcomer tarnished who are trying to claim an easy great rune as a jumping-off point towards becoming a full-fledged Elden Lord

>>715388607 (OP)
>kills you so hard you're mad about it 3 years later

I still dont understand how im supposed to fight this asshole. I just throw my head against the wall until i get a lucky stagger and kill him before he can jump around like a faggot

>>715402052
Fuck me forgot pic

>>715401487
Godrick is like 10 generations removed from Marika compared to the other runebearers, hence why he's so weak compared to the others.

>>715402052
Hug his ballsack when he's on the ground. If he jumps, hide and then sprint close whenever he lands.

>>715394975
this and the anvil hammer

>>715402119
My first two playthroughs I got a stance break right after the phase change and never dealt with any of phase 2's bullshit. It was a rude awakening having to actually learn that fight.

>>715402052
>>715402119
summon mimic tear with rivers of blood

>>715401150
>>715401276
>>715401598
>>715401674
>>715402179
>because retarded fromsoft lore
i think anon was asking about things that actually matter like gameplay

>>715402052
>>715402119
I only had to hit him like 8 times to kill him after phase transition. I think it's just supposed to be a frantic and stressful sub- one minute fight. I fucking hate the first phase though, I can't read any of his melee attacks, and I'm otherwise pretty consistent with fast bosses like Malenia

>>715388607 (OP)
Bro you didn't kill the actual first boss and take its dual-wield holy buff swords?

>>715402384
Ludonarrative coherency.

>>715402384
Yeah it turns out the lore and gameplay are both singing in the same key on this one

>>715402384
Margit is piss easy though if you're not a braindead retard though?

>>715402384
8/10 bait
Go back to playing games with boring retard stories like Demon's Souls

>>715392083
>swings his weapon through the ground so you can't see it coming at 0:18

>>715400664
I had to abandon Ol' Reliable (Gargoyle's Black Blade) for the Nightrider Glaive to beat the game.

>run into mine
>get materials
>head south two second mine
>bypass stormveil
>kill harry potter
>head through mine
>kill magma scalie
>run up to volcano manor
>get ghiza wheel
>enough materials to take it to +6
>fuck radahn
>get mimic
>up mimic
>return to stormveil
>cut off delayed attack monkey mans balls with your clone

Easy peasy

>>715396249
at least holy is good in the dlc

Zanzibart...

>>715395687
seems to me like morgott is a historian of the golden order and these are all period relics. the giant crusher was from the war with the giants, tree spear from the establishment of leyndell, carian knight sword from the carian war, erdsteel dagger from a time of peace.

>>715403168
Or just strafe around 80% of his attacks since he's an easy beginner boss

>>715403168
i really thought you were just gonna give a detailed walkthrough on beating the game w/out beating margit, shame

people who are bad at souls games are mentally weak, they see a big fucker raising his weapon for 5 seconds and take no reasonable measures to evade, parry or roll the attack, you have 5 SECONDS but the only thing that cross their minds is FEAR and PANIC instead of situational reasoning, you don't even need good reflexes
and it happens in the easiest souls game of all, where you can prepare before and even if you do little detours you can fight that omen piece of shit of a boss at RL70 with a +6 unique weapon

the first boss is technically the beast in the south where you find the claymore. after clearing all that region, you should be strong enough. its just a chore game in the end, nothing else.

>>715404079
>grafted scion
>bloodhound knight
>tree sentinel
>several dungeons
Are between the start of the game and leonine misbegotten.

>>715404192
whats the first boss that doesnt respawn later in some other form again? its not even morgott

Vyke should have been the final boss

>>715388875
>>715389320
where does this mindset even come from? you don't see this type of problem-solving aversion in other games

>>715404460
Vyke should've been more important period, he's the only other Tarnished to EVER collect two Great Runes and get even remotely close to fulfilling the goal, his existence alone confirms to the player that Gideon is lying his fucking ass off about pretty much everything that isn't where the demigods are located

>>715404449
I think it's rennala since radahn got reused in the dlc.

>>715404904
elden ring is really mediocre for reusing all their bosses so many times. makes ng+ very tedious

>>715404819
Dark Souls became well known partially for its challenge, and this mindset developed within the fanbase with each new entry. Its perception morphed from just being a fantasy RPG that’s kinda hard, to a hardcore game where you didn’t beat it if you played it a certain way. It doesn’t help that you’ve also got dumb video essays emboldening the idea. Like that one where the guy argues you shouldn’t use shields because Bloodborne showed it’s better not to or some nonsense. Because running around naked with a big sword and ignoring most of the mechanics, items, abilities and equipment is totally what the devs intended for their swords and sorcery RPG.
I remember Joseph Anderson complaining about the game design of Elden Ring while showing footage of himself bumbling around like an idiot, dual wielding ultra great swords and leap attacking everything/rolling around. I think he avoided summons too.

>>715388875
just learn his combos.
dance with him, get your shots in, and learn to parry his big swings if you want to speed shit up.

>>715396215
Soon we will have lucatiels armor and actual sword in elden ring.

>>715393319
no, you are only supposed to AVOID fighting him like that if you are bitch made.
Margit gets into your face and demands that you
>Abandon thy ambitions
bitches like you abandon their ambitions and fuck off to get stronger.

The option of planting your feet and shoving those words down his lumpy hornsent throat was always there, and it was a hell of a rush to beat him like that.

>>715388805
You didn't beat the game

>>715406904
I was sure this was a screenshot from Enotria until I looked at the background

>>715388875
>>715392505
>>715407724
Call it a hot take but I think people like you should be fed to hogs for infecting the world with your faggotry.
You have to make arbitrary rules for yourself and then get mad when other people don't use them because you refuse to accept the fact that videogames are toys made for children and are only "hard" if you possess the Dunning Krugerfied smooth swarthoid brain that makes basic patter recognition or remembering to wipe after you poop a challenging task.
You've lost at life and you've lost The Game.
/thread

>>715388607 (OP)
lmao i explored caelid first and level up there when i returned and started following the graces i raped that guy

>>715408057
>all this cope because you feel insecure about ganking every boss with the mimic tear
I don't care what you do in your game, but I just believe it's more fun without yanking boss pressure away constantly. That's why summoning in dark souls is generally looked down upon too

>>715408675
>I-I'M NOT COPING YOU'RE COPING *cries and shits a little bit* IN FACT I DON'T CARE AT ALL
No u isn't an argument concern trolling smoothbrain.

>>715408756
My post did in fact have an argument, but you instead just confirmed that you're locked into cope mode

>>715408916
You metaphorically and then literally shitting in your hands and eating it isn't an argument.
Nice catroon reaction image too pooner.

>>715408675
You should play through the DLC with no fragments and tell me how you feel when you get to leda and friends

>>715409013
>pooner
back to legbutt, gorillahon
>>715409014
What did my post have to do with skibidi fragments? I was talking about ganking boss AI, not health and damage scaling

>>715409171
Again using no u as an argument.
Monkeynog see, monkeynog do.

>>715409171
You didn't beat the game if you didn't play with no fragments

I remember they buffed Margit from the network test because that crucible knight in the Gaol was harder.

>>715409229
>nonstop random insults because your brain short circuited
You've moved on from coping to seething I see
>>715409237
A mimic tear cuck saying this is hilarious, but OK I'll try no fragments next just to shit on your already horrible angle of argument. It's not inconceivable since I'm not physically handicapped like you probably are

>>715409449
Projection

>>715409449
I beat the game with no fragments but you didn't so you don't get to tell others they're playing the game wrong

>>715395602
>Weeping Peninsula
>After Stormveil
Wrong. It's obvious if you've played the game that Weeping is way easier than anything in Stormveil.

>>715409517
You probably didn't activate any fragments since you forgot to activate your brain for enthralling mimic tear gameplay

>>715409624
You didn't beat the game, I did.

>>715388607 (OP)
I have beat the game over 7 times and still think succeeding in many of the tougher fights is based on if the bosses spam their more annoying attacks or not. Will the boss do a 5-7 swing combo into another 5-7 swing combo or do a giant leap that will guarantee room for you to get a hit in? Its a game of patience, RNG and attrition. I know Milenia's fight inside out but I am still going to die a bunch because of her 2 "Fuck you, its my turn to attack without punishment" moves or simply breaking free from being hit with a combo.

>>715410220
melania's poise is laughably low, you can just knock her out of the dance

>>715410427
I beat Malena by using the lava charge skill to push her around like lint on a broom

>>715389302
>GTA san andreas cheat codes are not actually cheats because they are just optional mechanics in the game
Well, that's one way to look at things.

>>715410220
I only really felt this when Rellana’s phase 2 did that combo where the blades become lighter colored right after another combo chain which is something she can do sometimes. One time she did it right after her charged Carian projectile slash which is usually the combo-ender (and does ridiculous damage I’ve seen it one shot someone using heavy armor before) and it almost killed me because I was preparing the punish for that attack.

>>715410715
multiple retarded things with your post
1. san andreas doesn't have you pick up dozens of "cheats" that go in your usable inventory while just playing the game
2. GTA games are the most fun when using cheats
The stupid shit you're saying is like telling someone they didn't beat contra because they picked up other weapons

>>715411224
You said optional mechanics in a game aren't cheats and I proved you wrong. You can move the goalpost and change the criteria now if you want but that has nothing to do with my post.

>>715411224
>GTA games are the most fun when using cheats
And souls games are the most fun when not using summons

>>715411369
I'm not even the anon you were originally replying to but you're comparing literal cheat codes to items and core gameplay mechanics in an RPG. You're obviously trolling but I'll give you this last reply

>>715388607 (OP)
>make the player literally braindead
shit player

>>715411634
>Bro don't critique his flawed arguments! Just let him say retarded shit that doesn't make sense and can be disproved when you apply his logic in other scenarios!
I don't even disagree with you, doesn't change what I'm saying nigga

>>715388607 (OP)
It's only impossible because you don't realize the motherfucker is input reading.

>>715396452
I think the way that FROM balanced magic is kind of shitty in a way that makes 90% of the spells completely useless and which makes "pure caster" playthroughs more akin to challenge runs than actually viable ways of beating the game
>Too many spells costs too much FP to be usable for the amount of utility they provide
>Elemental/magic resists on enemies are all over the fucking place
>Too many spells are too similar to each other (not necessarily a bad thing if the balancing was better)
>Scaling tapers off too hard at endgame when it should ramp harder based on balancing in comparison to other build options
>The way attunement works in ER is just dumb
>The enemy AI is too dodge happy to the point where your more or less FORCED into using night spells or cheese to actually kill stuff with spells (and ranged) towards the end of the game

IMO, most of the caster problems would be solved if they did the following:
>Make AI less dodge happy by putting a longer recover period or a longer startup period for their animation, alternatively, put an internal cooldown on their ability to do it
>Remove the fucking memory stones and just make MIND give memory slots at certain intervals up to level 60ish
>Make players able to attune the same spell in multiple slots, each memory slot used makes the spell cost 50% less FP (So 2 slots = -50% cost, 3 = -75%, 4 = -88%, etc)
>Make spell catalysts more defined in their roles (add more "Increased scaling/damage of fire/lightning/ice/Glintstone/etc" stuff onto the catalysts), move more of the scaling potential from the INT, FTH, ARC stat onto the catalysts themselves and INCREASE the stat requirements for each to essentially make players pick a spell type based on catalysts and build around it instead of building around specific spells
>Make ALL weaker versions of "upgrade" spells MUCH faster to cast as a baseline to give players a reason to keep using weaker spells
>Make endgame spell scaling stronger

>>715412606
>The way attunement works in ER is just dumb
>Remove the fucking memory stones and just make MIND give memory slots at certain intervals up to level 60ish
No it isn't and that would be fucking stupid.

>>715412606
ER magic is the most viable and best balanced it's ever been.
>Elemental/magic resists on enemies are all over the fucking place
There would be no point to elemental resistance if it were consistent between enemy types. The fact that you didn't pick up on this basic gameplay convention is very telling.

>>715410427
Waterfowl has infinite hyper armor, you can only knock her out of it with a freeze or bleed proc

>>715411872
I'd use casual mode/rewind in the newer Fire Emblem games or the mini chainsaws in Dead Rising to criticize his argument then since using cheat codes as an example of optional mechanics is a completely different argument in of itself

>>715412606
what the fuck would be the point of builds if certain enemies weren't harder to fight with certain builds? faith casting has access to 3 damage types on its own and pure int has access to a magic resist debuff. int with a faith dip can access fire and holy. complaining about resistances is bizarre.

The reason why NUsouls shit is so fucking trash is how many swings enemies/bosses can do and how mobile they are, while you're still stuck with DeS combat. Sure, you're a bit faster, you have the damage numbers to deal with everything, but the fundamentals are still the same. You're a fucking SNAIL who can't afford to swing more than two times compared to bosses. Nioh and Khazan school FROM games in terms of combat mechanics.

>>715412728
The reason why its dumb is because it makes the towers 100% pointless if you arent a caster and because it fucks up the way builds work in the game.

Every build essentially works by forcing players to pick 3 stats to "focus" on, as an example, as an UNGA-BUNGA chad your build is essentially always going to be a balancing act with:
>VGR
>STR
>END

Along with "secondary" stats that are only used to reach breakpoints or minimum req for gear, as an example for the above build:
>DEX
>INT
>FTH

Caster builds are the only type of build where this isn't true since it essentially works like this:
Main stats
>INT/FTH/ARC
>VGR
>DEX
>MND
>Memory stones

The way the balancing act works for casters essentially means that they are forced to spread more points across more stats to not get fucked over towards any point in the game which forces players to grind more runes or just play a harder version of the game. This along with the other stuff I've already mentioned makes casters feel more samey than any melee builds simply because the only way to bridge the gap is by always going for max scaling and the highest DPS spells except for Holy damage... Which is just worse than any other damage type in the game thanks to enemy resistances.

>>715394975
I only used two weapons the entire game. I just noticed that my 40hr playthrough was without any weapon drops. Now I feel weird

>>715412882
>There would be no point to elemental resistance if it were consistent between enemy types.
You are completely misunderstanding my point, I don't want there to be "samey" resistance, I want there to be more consistency on what damage types are good against more clearly defined types of enemies and I want the devs to just STOP shitting on holy damage by making 90% of enemies so resistant to it that any Holy based damage essentially becomes a liability instead of a boon

I’m excited for the Switch 2 version to release because we’ll get more threads like this but they’re genuine.

>>715414068
The main thing that will happen is Elden Ring shitposting will dramatically decrease because it's now on the bing bing machine and it's suddenly 'good' because of that
If you haven't noticed the common thread about most games that get these organized shitposting campaigns (hint: what platform they are usually NOT on) against them for years then you're actually retarded

>>715413994
>and I want the devs to just STOP shitting on holy damage by making 90% of enemies so resistant to it
Outside of literally the final boss, holy is great in the DLC. Also holy resistance is a lot less common in the base game than people suggest, despite most of the ending boss gauntlet having it to some degree

I dunno he's not that hard

https://files.catbox.moe/n67ieh.mp4

>>715414585
Did you literally start a new game just to beat Margit to prove a point?

>>715414585
I just watched to see if you jumped off the cliff or killed the scion so I already know you beat Margit who is easier than the Scion at that point.

>>715414795
Yeah

>>715415004
Fair enough

>>715389304
99% of delayed attacks are very well telegraphed though. Margits delayed attacks all have good telegraphs, he like teneses up then relaxes just before he swings the weapon down

>>715394975
You posted the best one already

>>715416010
These new wordles are harder than most ds bosses.

>>715394884
The hell are you talking about yes you can and it's also easier than any other souls game. Just go to 4-2, shoot the skeleton necromancer guy for an instant shit ton of souls when his 36 summoned minions die, then throw yourself off the cliff right next to you to reset it.

>>715404819
>>715406548
Which is especially nuts considering these games became harder and harder and harder to make up for the increased toolset that the player has.

Margit is the first big story boss in Elden Ring, but may be a mid-to endgame boss in Demon's Souls or Dark Souls 1, these games are SO much more basic and easier compared to newer entries (with shielding very powerful and twice as many parry frames).

These types of people never moved on from that where the games actually COULD become total cakewalks even if you only do the most basic playstyle for even the most average player. But Elden Ring does need the average player to use everything at their disposal.

>>715400967
>Why did they make Godrick easier than Margit?
They didn't. You just fight the latter before the former.
Margit is so ridiculously manipulatable that it's pathetic. Just stay the fuck away from him and you win.

>>715416536
>>715406548
>>715404819
>>715389320
>>715388805
Intentionally conflating summoning with just using items and magic is poor form. That said, the people crying about its difficulty are fags.

>>715416761
Godrick's moves are WAY fucking easier to figure out and much less dynamic.

>>715404819
It's literally ego and pride.
>Oh, you used the shield? You didn't beat it!
>Oh, you used the summon the game put right before the fight? You didn't beat it!
>Oh, you turned the game offline to avoid invasions? You didn't beat it!
Shit that doesn't matter because no one fucking cares what you do with your personal time so long as it isn't fucking someone else's up.

>>715416884
And they're still trickier than Margit.
Just run the fuck away from Margit and he is fucking donzo.
But Godrick you actually need to avoid or deal with his attacks somehow. Which might not be that difficult since it's Godrick, but you actually need to fight him. Meanwhile Margit just goes full fucking retard if you just keep your distance.

>>715404819
>problem solving
The only problems are twofold. Firstly, that you're a bitch. And secondly, that you insist on reminding people that aren't of your existence. Either go find your missing balls, or quit reminding those of us that aren't that creatures as miserable as you exist, and there won't be any problems to solve.

>>715416964
It gets ridiculous when even specific weapons are a no go. You can have zero fucking health, but if you use one of the no-no weapons, you didn't beat the game. This community is unironically filled with mentally ill people who derive their self-worth entirely on self-imposing challenges.

>>715396249
They probably noticed they did this because in Nightreign the hardest bosses are weak to holy

>>715417071
>Just run the fuck away from Margit and he is fucking donzo.
You do realize you have to hit him right

>>715416964
>>715417561
Stop trying to make excuses for summoning.

>>715388607 (OP)
Reminder that he poise breaks after two hits from Square Off thrust, which you get from the most common weapon in the game. You can literally stunlock him by just baiting an opening for a thrust two times. There is literally no excuse for having a hard time unless you refuse to use AOW altogether, which would make you retarded.

>>715388607 (OP)
saw this bait post earlier at 0 responses and you fucking retards actually responded?

>>715421485
>he used Square Off
Broken trash, didn't beat the game.

>>715421571
>he ignored mechanics the game was designed around for a sense of superiority
Retard

>>715404903
Bernahl got at least as close, but we don't know if he had any great runes.

>>715407097
Or you could just play the game and when you come back you'll find that he's actually not a giant leap in difficulty at all because he was balanced around you clearing most of the region before fighting him for real.

>>715409356
If you don't have some good way to break shields the average Crucible Knight is harder than Margit.
Those guys are fucking bastards.
For mage builds they're some form of cock and ball torture if you don't invest in something you can spam Giant's Hunt with.

>>715412606
Memory Stones should just be replaced with % buffs to casting because having more than ~4-5 spells in your tool belt is literally pointless because you can't actually use that many spells without wasting all day scrolling through them.
Instead they treat memory stones like they're some great gift when in reality its just another empty slot because they haven't improved casting since Demon's Souls while they finally made bosses competitive against it.
The quick access menu that you can use for items or healing should have an equivalent for casting.
Hold X and press a direction and you can quick cast 1 of 4 spells, without having to cycle through them like index cards.

>>715394975
The uninstall button.

>>715412728
nta but it IS pretty stupid that my unga-bunga cave man has as many attunement slots as Carias finest soldier.

>>715414464
That's great but I think if I had played the game for the first time after the DLC had dropped I still would have switched my playstyle from holy to fire damage due to base game resistances. The DLC is literally accessible only in the late game.

Doesn't help that Flaming Strike is so much better than Sacred Blade, and you can scale FTH on it with Flame Art just fine, even if it's worse than scaling it with STR.

>>715392060
Mohg is the gaper of anus. Miquella even put Radahns soul in Mohgs body so he could still get that fat, horny, omen dick.

>Can block Elden Stars and Destined Death
How did Thops do it?

>clear the 1st mine
>get a +3 weapon and some levels
>kill agheel
>get dragon heart and some more levels
>ride all the way to caelid dragon cathedral
>game won as you now have rot breath

>>715426291
He was really autistic about solving a problem.

>>715409539
It's showing Weeping Peninsula before Stormveil Castle.

im playing this for the first time after work. anyone got any advice/tips? i feel like just exploring the world and not giving a shit about quest related stuff this time round.

>>715426913
>playing this for the first time
>this time round

>>715419602
Summoning Thiollier and Sir Ansbach to the Promised Consort Radahn fight makes it way harder since he'll kill them in 2 seconds but their summoning inflates his health pool.

>>715395602
Instead of killing Margit, I forgot where he was located and somehow squeezed into Caelid. I shouldnt have gone there. I got giga raped, but I persisted. I returned only to kill Margit with 3-4 hits and steamroll liurnia of the lakes like it was nothing. Honestly, the open world aspect really kills the souls gameplay formula

>>715422706
OR I could choose NOT to be a little baby bitch boy and use him as a training dummy to teach myself how to start timing things, getting down distances, and learning to parry.

Margit doesn't get to tell me what to do.

>>715409356
>>715422820
crucible knights are definitely a lot harder, because they actually have mechanics to punish you for healing.
Margit has some stuff that TENDS to go off at about the time and distance you might heal during a fight, but nothing is triggered by the actual button press.

Crucible knights "see" you bring up that flask and try to get in your face with a specific move to punish you.
You can only heal if they are staggered or you are far enough away the move won't reach you.

>>715427440
>Margit doesn't get to tell me what to do.
Bet that sounded really cool in your head didn't it

>>715427587
Figuring out how to play the game and shoving Margit's dialogue down his throat was cooler than anything you could pretend I was thinking of.

And you can never take that from me, no matter how envious you are of my enjoyment.

>>715427409
>Literally open path in Eastern Limgrave
>Lift from Siufra River
>D sends you to Gurranq
>Transporter trap chest in the Agheel Lake
>Alexander talking about going East to Caelid to a festival
There's so many things that try their hardest to get you to go to Caelid early that it's surprising more people didn't end up there before Liurnia of the Lakes.

>>715427683
Reddit spacing and fedoralord dialogue.
Go anime monologue to the shampoo again timmy.

>>715427728
Sounds like I hit a nerve.
Let me guess, he wasn't special for you after you came back from your bitch boy journey?

>>715427725
I ended up there from the trap chest but I fought some enemies and looked at the place and filed it away to do later after getting out of it.

>>715427839
Same for me, realized it's probably too early to be there and that I'll come back later.

>>715427725
Judging from my experience, most people who ended up in Caelid early, probably ragequitted the game and never went back. Going there underleveled is suicide. Everything can kill you with 1-2 hits

>>715427725
First time was trap chest, pests freaked me out and oneshot me but i was able to escape the caveand noped outta selia

2nd time was gurranq, also immediatley noped out after seeing the black blade kindred

And then i decided to follow the path on from where i killed the mariner, got invaded by anastasia, died and noped the fuck outta caelid for a 3rd time lmao

>>715427838
I think you're just really insecure and instead of leaving and coming back when you're ready like every other rpg you've convinced yourself that grinding your face against a boss you aren't prepared for until you eventually get lucky enough to brute force it is the optimal way to play because you don't want to admit that it's too hard for you because that would bruise your already glass ego.

>>715427224
sorry i meant "this time around" as in compared to my time spent with previous fromsoft games where i played through them autistically finishing every questline. seeing as how huge ER is compared to previous titles thought i might just make a joke character and not take it so seriously

>>715414585
Good work to make the point, anon.

>>715428286
>massive cope post
>>715427587

Bitch please. No one said it was the optimal way to play, you just wanted to cry.

>>715428712
You sound like you need a nap.

>>715392001
>>715392083
>uses throwing daggers
you didn't beat him

>>715426913
This image shows when you can reach a point of no return and miss out on quests, if you care for that (you said you don't but maybe you'll meet an NPC you'll like and want to do their questline).

>>715390594
>bragging about using summons
Kys

>>715428994
thanks! saving it

Nightreign is really fun

>>715427725
They saw the type of shit inhabiting the landscape there and noped the fuck out, myself included.

>>715428780
You sound like you are out of fantasies to spin.

>>715429426
Go to bed timmy you have school in the morning

>>715390795
>Souls games leaning more into action
God I wish. The bosses became more and more advanced with dynamic and faster combos but our movement options have stagnated for over a decade. We only got a jump, anything else is literally just like Demon's Souls: Block, roll, parry, run.

That's why nighreign is so much better than basic elden ring. Your dude can finally do cool shit.

>>715429480
>Abandon thy ambitions, anon.
So now you will fuck off, right?
You wouldnt dare do what I did with margit and... just stand your ground, would you?
Gotta go scour the board, pick up anons to help you out, find some better memes, etc.
Right?

>>715429732
I'm not reading that timmy, go to bed

>>715421485
>Reminder that he poise breaks after two hits from
Reminder that this mechanic is one of the biggest mistakes of Nu soulslike design
Poise can be an interesting way to give different advantages to different attacks and weapons, but the way posture breaks are being used in these games is just a snowball mechanic that excessively rewards you for doing things you would have been doing anyway, to the point where it is enabling brute force retardation that invalidates half the gameplay

You don't need to learn shit if you can just wildly throw big attacks at bosses while trading and taking damage only to be rewarded by free hits into a critical into more free hits into a free heal and then repeat

>>715394975
>reliant on stance breaks+ bleed
lmao
>>715395065
>too gay to use a normal spear, had to pick the weeb spear + bleed to carry his sore ass
>>715395086
>le pretending to be a long time MGS fan since forever, saw it first in Dark Souls 3
>>715395184
Good choice
>>715395253
>trying hard to be different
>>715395691
>bleed
>>715395760
>DaS2 nigger

>>715395804
>I started reading Berserk after miura died
>>715395942
nice
>>715395945
??? what. Kill yourself.
>>715396647
it's shit in elden ring
>>715397405
You forced yourself to like it. There's many cooler weapons in the DLC, you just wanna be a vewy specail wittle snowflake
>>715397627
retard
>>715398386
>I want to main greatswords but I can't play without bleed
>>715400664
>I need stagger and reach
lame
>>715402238
reddit (muh big chonker bonko doggerino xDD)
>>715413824
you're just braindead. seek help

>>715428994
>>715429221
That image is out of date, since it's from before the patch that finished Nepheli and Kenneth's quest lines and caused Patches to reappear at Murkwater Cave after the castanets part of his quest. Most of info is still valid though. Also, Boggart never has to go to Altus for the Dung Eater's quest, a reused Seedbed Curse noble asset will appear in the location for the Dung Eater's quest if Boggart hasn't traveled to Altus at the time. In fact, by resolving the moat invasion before ever triggering Boggart's move to Altus, you can actually save Boggart's life on a playthrough.

>>715429812
nice dmcslop, micro-dick gook

>>715430187
Why does he gain and lose two buff icons immediately after using Golden Vow?

>>715430014
wat

I literally died more to Leonine Misbegotten than him.
Basically because I did everything I could bar Caelid before meeting him.

>>715426913
kill the dung eater the moment you meet him, his quest is dogshit, kills another npc for no reason, and all he does is constantly threaten to rape you and the entire world

>>715429812
Agreed. The focus on stance breaking also completely neutered the smaller/lighter weapons.
In DaS curved swords and thrusting swords were borderline OP with sunlight or darkmoond blade buff.
Fast forward, no one even uses these weapons anymore because they do shit posture damage. They only get used to apply status effects quickly.
Don't get me started on daggers. They always had a hard time in the series but in ER they're completely irrelevant aside from the Misrecord crit build. Which ironically works better if you only whip it out after stance breaking the enemy with a big stick first.

>>715429864
>>715429929
thankfully you outted yourself as a moonveilnigger in your first few (you)s so we can now safely ignore your opinion regarding everything

>>715430994
>respecting another anon's choice means that it's my favourite weapon
you must be the Greatsword faggot, y'all have mad low IQ

>>715431067
They WILL take the y'all bait every time.
Auto 30 seconds to post this...

>>715426913
Don't kill the dung eater. You can get him as a puppet. Talk to sulvy and get a sleepy potion then do the dung eaters quest until you can access his body in the sewers

>>715429775
I accept your concession.

>>715391974
it's not "panic" not knowing the timing, but knowing you can't dodge on reaction because the downswing is too fast
retard

>>715394280
>but exploration should be done between bosses
are you miyazaki personal advisor?

>>715388607 (OP)
Imagine if you pulled out your B(ig)T(arnished)C(ock) and started furiously stroking it while making direct eye contact with him? I wonder what he would do.

They wanted people to get filtered around Stormveil because that's where the game peaks. It's all downhill from there.

>>715409014
>You should play through the DLC with no fragments
I did
Summoners are shitters

>>715411369
have you tried being more disingenuous, i've heard that usually helps

>>715388607 (OP)
You're supposed to clear Limgrave before even attempting to beat him.

>>715430849
got it. kill dung eater. looking forward to just fucking things up

>>715427409
>Honestly, the open world aspect really kills the souls gameplay formula
What? Was your first Souls DaS3 or something? If anything, it improves on the formula the same way that DaS improved on DeS with its open ended level design and shortcuts since it gives players options on how to approach the games challenges.

The most problematic part of ERs open world design is that there isn't enough content to fill the map, not that you can skip 80% of the game if you want too

>>715430932
>Don't get me started on daggers. They always had a hard time in the series but in ER they're completely irrelevant aside from the Misrecord crit build.
Nah, Erdsteel's good.

>>715433060
>some challenge runner beat the game with it, that's why it's a good in Elden Ring
Modern fromdrones are so mindbroken.

>>715433371
I don't know about any of that or care. I used it. DPS is good on mashing R1 and it comes out fast. Has decent thrusts. R2 is really good too. Damage is great for how fast it is.

>>715433415
Lets assume this is true for a second:
This does not make daggers a good weapon class in elden ring.

>>715433457
If Erdsteel is a bad weapon you're calling over 90% of the weapons in the game bad, which is a thing you can do but it's not very conducive to good discussion.

>>715388607 (OP)
true, as soon as i got here (actually as soon as i got to the horse guy with the shiny halberd) i fired up the cheat engine
not wasting my time grinding some bullshit, i'm here to play a game, not work a job

>>715433543
Well good thing I did not do that.
Let me explain since you seem to be little slow:
The root of this discussion is stance breaking being too strong which heavily favors some weapons over others. Halberds, colossal weapons, the big swords etc. have a very easy time with jump attacks and certain AoWs to just farm stance breaks for massive openings and thus DPS.

My argument was that lighter weapons suffer from this change. Rapiers and curved swords just don't have the DPS and despite being fast weapons on paper, the heavy hitting ones end up getting more openings because of the stance breaks. Daggers are at the bottom of the barrel since they have almost no range and do pitiful stance damage and their actual damage outside of crits is very low too.


Now lets say I overlooked one dagger and that one is decent damage wise. How does that make daggers good if only one exceptional dagger is even worth considering? The rest completely relies on frost/bleed/rot.

>>715433775
>Now lets say I overlooked one dagger and that one is decent damage wise. How does that make daggers good if only one exceptional dagger is even worth considering? The rest completely relies on frost/bleed/rot.
You said there was one exceptional dagger. There isn't. Erdsteel has a shitload of AR for a dagger.

>>715388607 (OP)
>first boss
there's your issue, anon

>>715433775
>despite being fast weapons on paper, the heavy hitting ones end up getting more openings because of the stance breaks
This is really noticable in the DLC btw.
>>715433824
So would you say that erdsteel dagger is unlike the other daggers? An exception among daggers, so to speak?

>>715433824
Do you not know what exceptional means?

>>715433883
>So would you say that erdsteel dagger is unlike the other daggers? An exception among daggers, so to speak?
IIRC it's the highest AR dagger by far, so yeah, it is exceptional. In PvP circles it was considered a high-tier set-up, though I don't disagree it's pretty mid as far as PvE goes. But mid doesn't mean bad, two Erdsteel Daggers with Flaming Strike up takes a bit of set-up but dishes out fantastic DPS.

>>715433824
esl moment

>>715433953
>>715434052
Staying focused on the original argument, which is that only the Misericode is worth using as far as daggers go. They're the ones backpedaling, but you would need reading comprehension to understand that.

>>715434139
hyper fixation is a symptom of autism

>>715433991
But if only one dagger is worth using, doesn't that make daggers an overall bad weapon type (if we ignore status spamming)?
They have shit range, damage and deal no stance damage.
The erdsteel dagger's damage isn't bad.
Doesn't really make me wanna use the crystal knife, celebrant's sickle, normal dagger, cinquedea, glintstone kris, Ivory sickle.
Black knife and blade of calling are AoW machines only.
Parrying dagger and main gauche are just parry tools.

>>715396402
I think Nightreign just has arts scaling off the weapons' main stat now and most weapons for their main stat changed to match the weapon type

>>715434139
>one dagger that you only use for crits/backstabs + one dagger that gets high AR because of wonky faith scaling means all daggers are good
I don't buy it. Even the worst halberd is better than the best dagger.

>>715434360
It's the nu-fromdrone mentality of
>some people can make some items/weapons/meachnics work under certain conditions so it's actually just your fault that it's not a good item/weapon/mechanic
Completely unable to take criticism and see the bigger picture.

>>715419551
>You do realize you have to hit him right
Yes. But you do now that if you just run away from Margit, all he ever does is that retarded jump hammer attack that leaves him open for retaliation forever. And the attack is super fucking easy to dodge, block, or even parry.
Just stay away and it's the only attack you've got to deal with.

>>715428807
This but unironically. The stagger system of the game is retarded and it decaying even when the boss is doing a 15 second combo, and players throwing a knife every so often to keep that invisible bar up is a level of metagaming that far surpasses everything else players can do.

decent tier: heavier weapons
good tier: fast weapons that could take advantage of status effect
okay tier: dex weapons that you can't change its element and has good aow
shit tier: dex weapons that you can't change its element and has shit aow

>>715427297
>Summoning Thiollier and Sir Ansbach to the Promised Consort Radahn fight makes it way harder since he'll kill them in 2 seconds but their summoning inflates his health pool.
I couldn't summon Ansbach because he was dead. But my Thiollier survived the entire fight. Pre-nerfs too.

>>715429812
I do think it can be overtuned.
I beat Rennala's phase 2 on my first try just by spamming Giant's Hunt because I had 1 flask and was getting sweaty.
She's meant to be squishy, but even still they went too far in that direction.

>>715396289
>Anon talking about the deep lore implications of the particular weapons selected by Morgott for his arsenal
>Fromsoft's 3D modeller: "Wowee, cool sword! I'll give him that one"

>>715435615
These are the kinds of things From Software actually does incorporate into boss fights. The Glintstones from the Carian Knight Sword regularly being visible when fighting Morgott probably is an oversight though, albeit one they might have left in because they think it looks cooler.

>>715432017
>filtered this hard
>seething this much
Lmaoing

I keep trying to play modded souls/er but man, these mods make the game more annoying than fun. I just want more spells, swords and armors and stuff.

>>715389427
he skipped the tutorial boss

>>715433060
>Erdsteel's good.
It is not

>>715433775
>Daggers are at the bottom of the barrel since they have almost no range and do pitiful stance damage and their actual damage outside of crits is very low too.
I'm the person with the Lies webm that you originally replied to and I agree with you. Dunno who the other guy is

>>715408057
>you didn't beat the game
Just a response to people deflecting criticism. Here's how it went
>X boss (mostly Malenia) is bullshit and not fair.
>lmao git gud, boss was easy (posts screenshot of having beaten the boss with OP build and spirit summons).
>lmao you used X? You didn't beat the game.
It started in the Malenia threads. Was fun seeing it develop as more and more OP builds were discovered and added to the cheat *list*. Good times.

>you've lost The Game.
Fuck you buddy.

>>715388607 (OP)
Its been surpassed

>>715388607 (OP)
Am i a retard for failing for 3 hours straight at tree sentinel? This game crushes my ego

>>715441278
>Am i a retard for failing for 3 hours straight at a boss that's clearly overpowered for the area and positioned there to convince me to explore?
Yes

>>715441278
The Tree Sentinel is not quite as hard as Margit, but trades having a simple moveset for being very tanky.

>>715441439
I thought it was an optional tutorial boss

>>715441595
It is designed to teach you to walk away and come back since that was a relatively new concept coming off Dark Souls

>>715429952
>you can actually save Boggart's life on a playthrough
That's true, but it would miss out on Braggart's Roar, as well as be forced to travel five minutes every time i want to buy crab instead of going to the Finger Reader Husks. So sorry Boggart, but you have to go.

>>715437201
I think the only one I really enjoyed was cinders for 3 but even then it didn't keep me interested enough to beat it.

>>715434358
No, somber arts all scale with AR there. I used the SoNaF example specifically because it still has huge int/fth scaling, but Wylder still has slightly more AR with it than the casters due to well-rounded stats and edges out their art damage by a similar amount. Arts that roll randomly still have whatever their ER scaling methods were, on the other hand.

For a more clearcut example, Erdtree Slam does more than triple Raider's R1 damage despite his bottom of the barrel FTH, but if he rolls Golden Slam on a weapon he does nothing with it compared to Revenant or Recluse, even if he has higher AR.
Similarly, Wylder (higher AR) outdoes Duchess (higher INT) with Glintstone Dart, but Duchess does better with any of the random roll sorcery weapon arts like Carian Grandeur.

>>715440032
Lies of Poo aside, I like how every single one of these "Souls-likes" literally never get it right. At all. The original Dark Souls was a linear semi-open world game that gave you the option of having multiple locations to go to initially, but there were proper paths players would find themselves taking in order to progress through the levels. It wasn't literally a bunch of fucking hallways and corridors with enemies standing 10 feet apart waiting for you to kill the first guy before attacking you. It doesn't help that every single one of them is incapable of telling a meaningful story with just its world design and environments alone.

>>715428994
>On my third playthrough
>Actually get the secret medallion before ever talking to Latenna
>Go back and find her
>She's gone, just her ashes remain
>Can't finish the final part of the quest, effectively locking myself out of a Somber +10
Never doing that again.
Also the talisman pouch that Enia gives you can be bought from the Twin Husks shop, although I'm not sure if a patch added that.
You can also completely miss out on Rya teleporting you to Volcano Manor if you go there before doing her quest and then meeting her once you use the Grand Lift.

>>715426291
>toss the biggest loser in the game ten runes
>bro has been literally sitting there since *the Shattering* an unspecified number of centuries ago
>bring him back a fresh glintstone key from an academy chandelier because there's literally nobody else to give it to
>rewarded with a hard counter against all magic regardless of casting type
>double-rewarded by a scarab at his sitting spot that lets you put it on shields

>>715442946
The vast majority of Dark Souls mods are awful, even the big ones like Cinders and Daughters of Ash. Only one I'm looking forward to is Nightfall because it does a LOT of cool stuff and its difficulty is bang-on for vanilla Dark Souls, but Nightfall got hit by feature-creep pretty hard and they also feel they got spanked by Elden Ring. It's been radio silence ever since ER came out so I imagine they may as well have rebooted the whole thing... again.

>>715444914
I forgot about nightfall, radio silence for that long isn't a good look.
I just want a mod that makes me feel like I need to take advantage of items and weapon types/elemental stuff a bit more but it's all
>what if we put tanky enemies in early areas!
>what if we we made spells even more powerful!
>what if fused this boss with a boss from a later game!
>what if we just straight up rip weapons and enemies from later games

>>715444914
Does daughters of ash add armor, weapons and magic? I was looking at it but it didn't say lol
I'm going through DS2 ascension or something now but idk... they had a big warning that it's hard but it's just annoying so far. Lots of 1 shot arrow guys. I'm interested in getting farther but idk for how long.
>>715442946
I liked Cinders quite a bit. That's the one where you can equip cosmetic stuff, right? I was rolling around as a skeleton with glowing eyes and summoning the big black drippy poo dudes.

>>715444914
Why do they feel so insecure over Elden Ring? They're making a mod to Dark Souls 1, no one is expecting them to somehow outdo From Software itself in From's greatest project yet, let alone match Elden Ring's game flow and variety when using DS1 as a base.

Also, did Stayd ever release his (though IIRC he wouldn't call himself that nowadays) DS2 mod?

>>715445395
I'm looking up Nightfall on nexus and man, what a bunch of fags the forum posters are.
>DEAD MOD!
>Ackshuly they revolutionized modding so we should keep donating
>BULLSHIT DEAD MOD
>Justh sthend money, goy
Lol
Have they been silent since 2022? That shits dead as fuck then. Too bad, It looked really cool

>>715445995
Look Tomar, it's you!

>>715393354
>You can see the attack first,
>But it comes out instantly at a completely arbitrary time that has nothing to do with the animation

>>715388875
its not even cheating your ltierally using the jellyfish to learn his choreography so that you know when to hit him during his fight choreography
eldin ring is literally a rhythm game but with combat

>Want to try out a new build featuring some of the new DLC weapons
>Have to reach the DLC area in order to even get them which is like already half-way through the game or so
pain

>>715448048
>wants to play the game
>doesnt want to play the game
fuck you and your worthless posts

>>715448048
>Had fun with the Bloody Helice
>Want to try out Sir Ansbach's Scythe since it's similar, even if it's probably not better
>Have to beat Promised Consort Radahn to get it
This sucks.

Hey guys I tried fighting this dude and I picked the naked/barbarian/caveman build. I was like level 22 and I had to use the NPC summon. Having no shield made this into an impossible endeavor.

>>715444570
I especially love the description
>The lifelong pursuit of Thops the Bluntstone.
>Creates a magic forcefield that deflects sorceries and incantations. Hold to continuously create barriers.
>Future generations will learn. They will know the foolishness of the sneering sorcerers who ridiculed this theory,
little realizing that it was in fact a discovery worthy of a new conspectus of the academy.

>>715448048
>do ng+ to use a new weapon for the entire dlc
>scadu level carries over whether you want it to or not

>>715389104
A telegraph makes the actual attack itself reactable.
Elden ring has wind ups and barely any telegraph.

>>715388875
You should genuinely be killed IRL for disrespecting Aurelia.

>>715391974
>>715436234
>when pappy makes your caged up useless clitty sore by insulting your favorite entry level game
;;__;;

>>715448273
>>scadu level carries over whether you want it to or not
It does? Thank fuck. That will make replays a lot less bullshit.

>>715447192
It IS really cool, that demo they released kicks ass, best mod I've ever played. Shame it's vaporware now

This game is ass and I'm a huge fan of Demons Souls, Dark Souls 1, Dark Souls 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro. The open world slop design fucks with player progression. Take Dark Souls 1, you could go to old Anor Londo/flooded area town and instantly know you shouldn't be around there too long at that level. You could tough it out in the catacombs and for returning players that's a good area if you're spicing up a replay. But with this open world slop all I do is pick up flowers and not know which areas I'm supposed to be in my level or not.

>>715448237
and it genuinely is too
it's arguably way MORE important and impressive than any prior sorcery school
it's indefatigable proof that sorceries and incantations are the same thing

>>715448745
What are you talking about? If you go to Caelid at the start of the game you'll get ass raped by the mobs there and know to fuck off and come back later and that you should go somewhere else (Weeping Peninsula or Stormveil Castle).

>>715447636
Tomar, what would you do if you were chosen by Grace to become the next Elden Lord?

>>715448745
Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2 2
Shadow of the Erdtree is Dark Souls 3 2

>>715388607 (OP)
I just remembered that you can kill Patches right at the begining at get a fuckin +7 weapon on this playthru. This early and next early games are going to be such a cakewalk

>>715448973
>Tomar, what would you do if you gave Jaxxy was blind and you fed her eyeballs calling them grapes?

>>715449253
you can get lots of broken stuff early
you can slap Ice Spear on a +8 Banished Knight Alberd and breeze through the game

>>715449253
>kill Patches
You sick fuck! I hope you die of ass cancer for even suggesting that. That fellas a saint and we all know it.

>>715449467
Patches is genuinely a giga nigger in elden ring

>>715449583
I beat the game, I know all about our beloved friend, good guy Patches the loveable.

>>715449253
just kill irina father
he is going to kill you anyway

>>715449583
He's the nicest he's ever been in Elden Ring. He's a much bigger shitstain in Dark Souls I and III.
He gives useful advice, is nice to Rya, cares about Tanith, is genuinely happy to see the Tarnished towards the end of his questline, etc.

>>715449945
>is nice to Rya
>genuinely happy to see the Tarnished
What a great guy. I love that baldnigga like you wouldn't believe

>>715449295
>tomar, what would you do if this disgusting little monkey man asked you if he was beautiful?

>>715448937
>>715449228
I beat the first boss of the game, OP's pic, without having ever met Renna the witch, Patches, or any of the "early" dungeons recommendations. I started the game as the Wretch/Barbarian class and I was at level 20s when I beat Margit. I only used the single NPC summon mage guy in front of his boss lair. This is bad game design, desu.

I shouldn't have been able to beat him by skipping so much content I hadn't known about. I did explore areas, like the dragon in the swamp area at the start of the game. Well there's a dungeon that teleports you into these crystal mines. And let me tell you something, being in the Wretch class in that part of the game at that level was brutal but necessary for me teaching me to throw my head at the wall until I make progress and I did make progress lmao. The anon said something about Caelid area, I visited there purely by mistake passing through that crystal slave digging tunnel.

I'm in the Skyrim Stormfront castle and I'm gonna go back and meet Renna and do the early beginning dungeons I missed out. Plus that weeping peninsula everyone is talking about. Margit wasn't hard per se, its just I had no fucking shield because I was in the Wretch class with dogshit equipment. He almost killed my NPC so had to beat him after memorizing his tells at a low soul level.

>>715450376
I don't get what was wrong with your experience, it sounds fine, I got to Margit at level 25 on my 1st playthrough. You're not supposed to necessarily do every single dungeon in all zones, I missed out on a bunch. It adds to replay value.

>>715450619
Well it's because Dark Souls 1 telegraphs you're not supposed to ring the bell in the bottom first. In Elden Ring there are so many areas available that you shouldn't be in. When you get the ability to level up and ride the horse Torrent, you could potentially go away from the grace path. Let's think about it anon. If you follow the grace path, you'll end up at the first "unskippable" boss margit the fell omen. So you get beaten and think about where to go next before fighting him head on, except so many paths are available. I've seen so many catacomb/mini dungeons and areas I don't know which ones are safe for my level. It's never been like this. I miss Dark Souls trilogy, Bloodborne, Sekiro.

>>715404819
It's because Dark Souls fanatics (i.e. the ones who don't even give a shit about the actual world, lore, story, characters, music, etc. and literally only care about the above average gameplay) are literally the biggest cocksucking niggers in the entire world that think anyone actually gives a fuck about their micropenis measuring contests. To them, unless you literally make usage of actual, genuine, and unironic artificial difficulty in making the game far more challenging for yourself for no real reason other than some retarded sense of "satisfaction" fabricated by their rampant narcissism, then you didn't actually "beat the game", despite the fact that the devs literally give you a variety of tools for you to use which are all very clearly intended, and their way of playing the game is just self-inflicted torture because their parents didn't love them enough so now they feel the need to make others feel their pain in an abstract and obtuse way.

You could play the game entirely blind, come across a weapon that's really good, use it without any knowledge whatsoever of a "meta", and their immediate presumption is that you obviously looked up a guide that told you it was good and you only used it because of that. The weapon in question could have gotten nerfed into the ground early on into the game's life, but even if you play the game for the first time, come across it and use it through self-discovery, you'll still get these retarded spergs breathing down your neck. The most ironic part about all of this is that none of them say a goddamn thing about spending hours just preparing for one boss by going out of their way to get certain spells, incantations, talismans, upgrade items, etc. which means they're unironically using more "cheats" than a player who knows nothing about or doesn't use those things and just fights the boss with whatever summon the game gives you wearing armor they think looks cool, while using talismans that do nothing for them.

>>715450840
>In Elden Ring there are so many areas available that you shouldn't be in
The only place you can go to from Limgrave that "you're not supposed to be in" is Caelid. It's pretty obvious you're not supposed to skip Stormveil Castle to get to Liurnia of the Lakes since every NPC talks about Stormveil and the Grace leads to it.
Weeping Peninsula, Mistwood, Siufra River and Stormveil Castle are all "correct" places to go to at the start.

Once you get to Liurnia of the Lakes you can go to Ainsel River (fine), the Academy of Raya Lucaria (fine), Altus Plateau (the game is pretty clear it's not the right way yet) and Mt. Gelmir through the Iron Virgin (it's just a trap like the one that sends you to Caelid, where you're obviously meant to understand you're not appropriately leveled for it).
So Limgrave has 1 "wrong" way and Liurnia has 2. After Liurnia you can go to Caelid, Mt. Gelmir and Altus at any order and it doesn't really matter and there's no "wrong way" since you can't stumble into Mountaintops of the Giants.

>>715450376
I would assume that most players get stomped by Margit, reckon "He's too hard, I'll go back to the starting area and explore, as this is obviously the path the game wants me to take" and then come back after they've at least rode around Limgrave (and potentially Weeping) a few times scouring for anything they might have missed. They immediately get spooked out of Caelid because of how it's clearly an area intended for later, and may find themselves in Liurnia and end up in the same situation. You unironically played the game in a way the devs don't intend for a first time player, as you picked a starting class with dogshit equipment and no armor and then repeatedly banged your head against the wall enough times to beat the boss you were struggling against like a retard.

>>715388690
fpbp

>>715451620
this is exactly what happened to me on my first playthrough.
ended up eventually finding the well to the underground and probably did others.
the way elden ring steers the player into the correct direction is genial. the expansion does just as a good of a job.

>YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME IF YOU USE MAGIC OR SUMMONS OR COOP OR DAGGERS OR EVERYTHING THAT THE GAME LET'S YOU USE

>YOU DIDN'T HAVE SEX IF YOU USED A CONDOM BECAUSE THE PP AND THE COOCH DIDN'T HAVE CONTACT

>YOU DIDN'T GO TO THE BATHROOM IF YOU DIDN'T USE TOILET PAPER INSTEAD OF WASHING YOUR ASS WITH SOAP WHICH IS A THING THE GAME DEV OF LIFE(GOD) LET'S YOU DO

>YOU DIDN'T EAT A PIZZA IF YOU USED ANYTHING BUT YOUR HANDS, EVEN WHEN A FORK AND A KNIFE ARE OPTIONS IF YOU WANT THEM

People with this mindset will be always laugh stock for me, sorry but i will never take any of you seriously

>>715452406
>>YOU DIDN'T EAT A PIZZA IF YOU USED ANYTHING BUT YOUR HANDS, EVEN WHEN A FORK AND A KNIFE ARE OPTIONS IF YOU WANT THEM
This one is true, though.

>>715451441
Even if it's the "wrong" way you can still go through and complete those areas with enough banging your head against the wall if you're a stubborn dick. Keep in mind the majority of the people who complain about shit like that are dumb as fuck and bad at video games.

>>715450227
>aeuhhhhh first i'd call the ADL,

>>715451081
Unfortunately a huge chunk of people do genuinely look up what the "best" gear is nowadays. Those people are insufferable cunts but they do have a leg to stand on in that regard.