Thread 715391989

SMT literally doesn't get any better than this.

SJ was better.

So what are the odds of them remaking SMT4/4A for modern platforms? They already got a bunch of modern demon models from 5 they can recycle for it to replace sprites.

>>715391989 (OP)
Oops wrong image

>>715392198
Hopefully 0 so we get I + II instead.

>>715391989 (OP)
It's the worst one though

>>715392251
I am the Arbiter. SMT IV A, I will judge whether or not you are worthy of your throne.

>>715392257
This why the fuck would IV need a remake? Even if you don’t have a 3ds it’s perfectly serviceable on Citra

>>715392257
I'd be fine with a I + II also. Was just annoyed they remastered III and released V/Vengeance, and figured that would mean they'd get the rest of SMT up to spec for modern platforms, like they've been doing with the pointless Persona milking.

Least we're getting an upgraded Raidou at the least?

>>715391989 (OP)
VV>SJ>Nocturne>IVA>I>II>IV

Samoorai

>>715392257
Those are just shitty discount versions of MT2.

>>715394501
>Nocturne
This game lives entirely off nostalgia

>>715392561
oh shit yea it is because it's just a better more complete gameplay version of 5

>>715392198
they are still about 200 demons short.

>>715392257
>I + II
Throw in If and we good.
Seriously, they need to make a definitive version of those three games.
>GBA Story items
>PSX Gameplay
>PC Cutscenes
>Alternative OST between SNES, PSX and Sega CD
All wrapped in the Etrian HD item. Fucking fund it, Atlus, put it on steam/shitch and it's easy money.

>>715391989 (OP)
The game before it, and the 2 games after it were much better

I really want to into SMT and Persona but I find the combat, exploration and stories kind of meh

>>715394889
You're nostalgia for 4 causes you to ignore it's flaws

4 is flawed as hell but that soundtrack jesus christ is it amazing.

>>715398060
>I really want to into this thing that I don't like
Why?

4 is better than V because it's not bland.
Nocturne did 'le walk around desert' good, V didn't. V has good gameplay, good music but everything else is bland. It's not even bad, just dull.
And I am talking about both V and Vengeance here, though admittedly V:V is a much more improved product, still bland though. Maybe it's a personal thing but it lacked everything that I found interesting about SMT, the sci-fi fused with eseoterical bullshit and magic. I want to see the fucked up society, the factions like the Gaians or Messians, all that interesting shit I can learn about the world. I, II and IV peaked for me in that aspect, out of mainline, much like Strange Journey did.

Nocturne and DDS are peak and nothing competes

>>715398471
All those randomized demon domains and homogenized "dungeons" sure were bland to me. Don't know what you were playing

SJ is probably the most consistent at being a good dungeon crawler and being a unique setting.

>>715398861
The dungeons might have been short but they weren't bland. Demon domains sure were but so is the same desert copy-pasted 5 times like in V, though I guess with the CoV route the area right before Taito had some shit added to it.
The domains that you go through in less than two minutes are nothing when you have the rest of tokyo to explore. I will take that over
>TWO (two (2))
dungeons like V.

Been feeling like SMTing lately, what should I play /v/?

>>715398785
Nocturne is good but dds is a shitshow I'm convinced is actually carried by nostalgia

I enjoyed it for what it was. Is SMT V even more non-linear than IV? Roaming around and getting lost in Tokyo is great.

>>715399202
It's carried by a lot of factors, for me it's mainly the story and characters. Gameplay is alright, too.

>>715399025
Okay, what made the dungeons in 4 interesting then? The only one I can remember not being bland was the Ring of Gaea trial place and that dungeon was shit

>>715399281
the story is fucking retarded in 2, everything else is fine at best, except the setting in 1. junkyard is pure kino

>>715399202
>actually carried by nostalgia
i think bunch of people end-up rating the settings/story over almost everything.
smt iv gameplay for instance is kinda weird with smirk and the later half is a walk in the park with no real final final boss, but the atmosphere and music can carry the game hard.

>>715391989 (OP)
True(ish)
I think it's the best mainline, but I prefer both desu games for the peak replayability

>>715394501
Anyone putting 1 or 2 (or if) above anything are not to be taken seriously. You haven't played them, you've watched videos about them
Actually playing those games is about as fun as getting expensive dental work done, and far less rewarding of an experience
The worst part is when people suggest that the writing/ story in smt 1 is good when it has the most paper thin "characters" and weak story moments of any atlus game. It's 99% waking down a copy pasted halfway that is identical to every other "dungeon" in the game and spamming shock and charm until combat ends. Fucking etrian odessy 1 looks like a deep sony movie game by comparison

>>715399280
You won't get lost in V. It's a different experience where you'll be mostly alone and story cutscenes are separated by long windows of just walking around and exploring.
>>715399450
Their presentation, atmosphere and soundtrack. It doesn't take lots for me to think they are interesting. A giant fuck-off tower with angels imprisoned in them (Kagome) is cool. So is an office-space you have to go through in Midtown. Reverse Hills are haunting and creepy, and so is Pluto Castle, though admittedly short. The only boring dungeon I can think of is Naraku and that's because it's literally a cave you go down through, and even then for a first timer the effect of emerging in Tokyo is an interesting one, especially after the gauntlet of Minotaur and Medusa.

Then in V you get two dungeons where one is a bunch of corridors and the other is a bunch of staircases, and while they also look cool, there wasn't much else about them. They're longer, sure, but you spend 90% of them holding R2 and running through.

>>715399542
Going back and replaying iv without a busted as fuck magic build made me appreciate the second half more
Twisted tokyo in particular was a struggle with my shitty balanced build and made me realize phys skills are just kinda universally ass
Also I tried hard mode and didn't even make it to Tokyo so I just gave up on that
>I was feeling overconfident after fairly easily beating nocturne hardtype lol

>>715399450
Not him but I've always liked the realism of dungeons in 4
You are going through an office building, military base, underground mall, etc and the layout makes sense
It's not just a lazy copy pasted series of identical hallways like nocturnes dungeons, of which i really only remember that one tower because it was so fucking annoying
I liked Vs no dungeon open world approach though to be honest

>>715399813
Only Naraku? So you didn't even find the dungeon where you fight Asmodeus bland, which is just multiple floors of the same stairway 3 times?
And isn't reverse hills just multiple floors with the exact same layout? I can understand you saying SMT V is more bland than IV, but the dungeon design can most definitely be described as bland.

>>715399813
>but you spend 90% of them holding R2 and running through.
i get your point, its just that some people dont really care about dungeons or dont make a big deal out of it.
for me, running around alone exploring those deserts was more fun and i think V is the only SMT the ambiance music end up being more memorable than the battle themes.

>>715399779
>Anyone putting 1 or 2 (or if) above anything are not to be taken seriously
hey man I liked 1 and I'm playing through 2 now..... but yeah I probably wouldn't put them above 3 and 4 kek

>>715400337
I literally mentioned it, that's Kagome Tower. No, I didn't find it bland because it looks cool, the theme is baller and it being a tower it did it's purpose of going straight up and holding something inside of it.
The dungeons can be called bland for not turning you around and not being giant mazes, but aesthetically they're far from bland. It didn't bother me in IV because once I was done with a short dungeon like Kagome Tower I just went back to explore more of Tokyo which I found more fun than V. Though I do find it really upsetting that they didn't reuse this theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj7Z4sKR73g

Reverse hills is an upside down building and buildings usually have mirrored designs between floors. Again, I didn't mind it being that because being in an upside-down hellzone where kids are being grinded into ibuprofen for the demons made it interesting for me.
>>715400404
To each their own, I read somewhere that with V they were inspired with BOTW and I guess that kind of gameplay sticks better with you than it does with me. Some of the exploration tracks are fantastic, I agree.

Bros the dungeons in 5 sucked ass

>>715400518
Smt is a rare case where the games more or less get progressively better as the series goes on
Even as a certified 1 and 2 critic i will be the first to talk about how much better 2 is than 1
The ranking lists really only become a shitshow due to the spinoffs and a touch of consolewar faggotry

>>715400782
They also sucked ass in 4

>>715401137
lmao youre not wrong

>>715391989 (OP)
I will play this some day soon. I wanna play If first though. I'm playing the PSX version and have like 5-6 save file bonuses coming my way.

>>715400850
I like 1 better. Having a nuclear apocalypse go down mid-game was pretty shocking. 2 is more fantastic in a way that made it feel less gripping. Also they really munchkinze demons into being reskinned humans. Demon towns barely feel different from human ones.

>>715401137
They also sucked ass in nocturne

>>715401274
So basically, SMT fans pick their favorite piece of shit and then spend their days criticizing other pieces of shit as if their own shit doesn't also stink

>>715400782
they're barely dungeons

>>715399025
>The dungeons might have been short but they weren't bland


Yes, they were.

>>715401394
Legit this is MyFirstDoomMap.wad tier but considering this was their first game on UE I'll cut them some slack. Plus its hard as shit to learn if you only know Jap I hear.

>>715401274
I enjoy the ambience of all three. And while the main dungeons aren't particularly good the outdoor areas of VV were really well designed. IV's too but VV is like IV on steroids since they're not set elevations

>>715399025
The actual level design of the deserts is more interesting than any of the games that came before it

Nonstop tender, passionate, caring impregnation sex with Monke

>>715397234
You know, that's one of the reasons why I still like pokemon.
It's always going to have more monsters than the competition.

IV had the best atmosphere imo, it was basically nighttime urban exploration in a demon filled post-apocalypse tokyo. V was trying too hard to be Nocturne's outdoor areas.

5 has no dungeons because it doesn't need them.
Traversing the Da'ats is already a challenge on itself with all the different parts. The parking lot maze in Shinagawa, the upper and lower level paths in Chiyoda, the semi openess of Taito. Each daat has a small sub area that could be considered a dungeon on it's own. The so called dungeons are just breaks of pace.
I don't get why so many people fail to get that.

>>715400268
>It's not just a lazy copy pasted series of identical hallways like nocturnes dungeons
Come on, don't tell me you don't remember the domains and you have to do them for neutral too.

>>715401817
Nobody cared about Nocturne's outdoor areas

>>715401881
Nocturne doesn't really have outdoor areas.

>>715401817
Nocturne's outdoor areas are you moving a fucking blip on the map, and are only there to serve as a buffer between areas. Feels completely different to VV

>>715401874
>Have to do all that bullshit just to get the neutral ending
If IV's music and atmosphere weren't any good people would call it out for being the garbage that it is.

>>715401840
You can very much tell the budget ran out at the end
>Sir we need one last final dungeon before the stretch to the final boss
>Our last funds got funneled into the latest Persona 5 spin-off, fuck it just put a long ass hallway with some law demons to fight & Alilat and treasures.

>>715401730
It’s true though, even before the rails in CoV. Give an example of better level design, because everything before V was just blocky mazes.

VV looks amazing but is boring as shit

>>715391989 (OP)
As someone who just finished SMT IV, if this is the peak of the franchise I don't think I'll be venturing any further into the series...

>>715401840
But I do get it, and I just don't like it. I'm not saying the things they've in V:V are bad (because vanilla V is just inexcusable) but I vastly prefer something more. A bunch of storage containers you can climb in Shinagawa doesn't make the rest of the red desert environment much more interesting. Shit like SMT II is interesting to me, the church, factions, giant fucking sci-fi pyramid in the middle of a city floating above fucked-to-hell remains of Tokyo. I think the setpieces and sights were not engaging enough for me to enjoy doing open-world exploration in them, even if I beat both releases of V on Hard so I had plenty of time to see everything I'd wanted to.
And this isn't me saying II is better than V, but the concept sure is.
>>715402262
>blocky mazes
you mean dungeon crawling?

>>715401736
Unfortunately they are shit video games

>>715402283
That's in the first couple hours of the game dude

>>715402283
Ok now post the maps to YHVH's dungeon.

>>715402525
nta but here, that's IV:A though

>>715402382
I feel like anyone who says pokemon games are shit haven't played a single other monster tamer.

>>715402387
Dude, even Tartarus had more complex dungeon design
>>715402525
I don't remember that dungeon. If you're referring to another game then like I said I haven't played them

>>715392198
Incredibly slim, there's so many obscure demons left they'd need to make 3d models and animations for that still that only exist as Kaneko's initial illustrations.

>>715402785
>personanigger is a retard
nevermind don't play the series

>>715402853
The persona games were trash, I got baited into playing one then SMT fags baited me into playing this shit. I thought these games were renowned for their dungeon design but I guess I was wrong. I'll just stick to Wizardry I suppose

>>715402785
>people will say shit like SH2's matrix is better designed than other 'dungeons' purely because it's a bigger map with more walking space regardless of whether it's a soulless blue void or the same checkerboarded floor you're staring at for the whole game like P3 Tartarus
I'm going to bed, I can't handle this autism

>>715402981
I like how casuals always immediately go to wizardry like they've even played it.

>>715403003
Well technically I didn't say better, I said more complex. And if you know what that word means, it doesn't take much to be more complex than >>715402283
I guess in some sense the SMT IV one could be better just in the sense that I can be over with it quicker but that's still not refuting that the dungeons in this game were abysmal. I might try and check out Etrian Odyssey next but my track record with Atlus games so far hasn't been very good.

>>715403218
if you're not ragebaiting and really want muh dunjoon crawling then just go play strange journey

>>715403110
>I can't say the game's dungeons are good because that will make me look like a retard so i'll just use personal attacks and doubt your credibility

>>715402981
Never once did I ever see SMT being marketed or renowned for just the series dungeons.

>>715403342
Dude, Wizardry's dungeons are fucking ass. That's the point. You clearly haven't played it or you wouldn't be praising it.

>>715403384
The only thing I can think of is people always talking about some of the ridiculous floors in strange journey. That's really the only time and it's like some people have based their entire view of the series off of that.

>>715403462
If SMT's dungeons are bad and Wizardry's dungeons are bad, then what would you consider an RPG with good dungeon design? Please point me in the right direction

>>715402746
You're right, I play Atlus games instead

>>715403708
English isn't your first language, is it.

>>715402746
>This one thing is better than other things therefore it isn't shit
Just because some garbage is at the top of a trash heap doesn't make it any less garbage

>>715403505
>tfw no pixie gf

>>715404085
NTA but if it's better than the rest then it sets the bar for quality. That's how it works.

>>715403891
I assumed you used the word 'tamer' to differentiate from SMT's negotiation monster collection. Do you really think the most recent Pokemon game is better than SMT:VV?

>>715404249
You're right, earlier today I shat the most refined log of shit I've ever seen in my life. Since it's the best one, I suppose I have to concede it was a "good" piece of shit

>>715392251
>power of friendship featuring the Great Gazoo
LMAO

>>715394657
Atlus has been coasting on MT2 since they made MT2. 4 and 4A are just retarded versions of 1 and 2 by that token.

>>715399779
>old bad zoom zoom
If is legitimately fucking awful, but 2 is actually really good. Easy in the top five. Nocturne is the shitty overrated one.

>>715404506
>>power of friendship featuring the Great Gazoo
holy fuck

>>715404302
>you
I don't really care about what's better or who's defending what I'm just saying, if it's better then quality is based on that.
That said, except for performance and graphics? Yeah SV is way better. Hell VV gets knocked down by a ton of points just for being a rerelease and not dlc.

>>715392251
killing all your friends(which you've only know for like 1 week) was such a fucking kino move.
That scene where it ask you if you trust your friends and you're like nope.

>>715404506
>power of friendship
You can admit you haven't played it.

>>715404683
It would be cool if your slave gf joined you in killing them but they dropped the ball pretty fucking hard on that

>>715404739
>denying my description
Same goes for you

>>715404739
You know what I find hilarious? People associated the demifiend with rejecting Gods because of a misheard lyric but you have Nanashi literally rejecting god and people think it's a power of friendship situation despite the fact that you can kill your friends and still reject them.

>>715404826
If you think it's the power of friendship you either heard people meming it or you were filtered by the game and never actually reached the explanation part.

Pick your poison.

>>715399542
>>715399202
100% this. DDS' gameplay is kinda forgettable, but the setting and the story are incredible. It might be the peak of Kaneko insanity.

>>715404865
>hur dur, if you chose the evil ending that the game repeatedly berates you for, its not a faggy power of friendship game
Did you Halo isn’t a shooter? Its true! You run around butting everything with your rifle. Totally not a shooter.

>>715404954
>>715405063

>>715405063
Well if I never shoot my weapon in game then how the fuck could it be considered a shooter?

>>715404669
Okay, autism lord. Go argue about your JRPG franchise developed for children in the appropriate thread instead of this

>>715404669
>judging the contents of a game based on the method it was released or the price
I never understood this

>>715405063
It's not the power of friendship because friendship literally isn't a factor. The fact that there's an ending that's literally the most extreme version of "fuck friendship" should tell you that.
But you know what? How about you explain how it is?

>>715405287
That's because you have no standards.
For the content that was added there was no reason for it to be a full priced release and to have more dlc on top of that, dlc that doesn't add any new areas at that, the demons are just plopped at arbitrary points on the map.

>>715405287
Anon, you have people judinging the contents of a game just because it's popular and they can't articulate why they hate it.

>>715405491
I don't think you understand what the words I said mean. I said "content" which means what's contained inside of the game, by that definition including things like how it was released or the price shouldn't be included in the evaluation of the content. It's just not related. You can complain about how it was released all you want though.

I didn't play 4A because it looks like a gay doo doo feces attempt at terraforming mainline into Personaslop for easy money

>>715404506
>4 and 4A are just retarded versions of 1 and 2 by that token.
Thats an order of magnitude more reductionist than my comparison, the first two smt games barely improved on the formula & this becomes very obvious when those are compared with the SNES remaster of MT2. That having an icon move around the map is a straight up downgrade from having an actual character moving around IMO.

>>715394889
>>Nocturne
>This game lives entirely off nostalgia
Nocturne has the best atmosphere in the entire megaten franchise (fuck the remaster)
Amazing textures, UI, sound design, great animations, also has the most iconic fights in SMT

>>715405862
wassa matter lil fella? dont wanna kill literally god through the power of friendship? what are you? gay?

>>715404683
>>715392251
just saying the game would've been 20x better if it was just you and asahi. idk why they made the cast so fucking big. who the fuck are these people i'm probably the odd anon that likes hallujah but fuck toki and nozomi. more so nozomi than toki because holy fuck that move where she snitches made me assblasted mad.

>>715405995
Has there been a more iconic fight than Lucy in Nocturne since it released? Nothing has really stuck with me outside of the DDS games

>>715404865
>>715405301

I mean, in the bonds ending a lot of the cast basically goes "because we have each other, we don't need you or whatever you say" and that hurts/weakens YHVH. It's a literal power of friendship scene, with it manifesting as a way to weaken God.

Yeah, it doesn't happen in the Anarchy ending, of course, and you still get YHVH rejected without any of that, but that doesn't mean it's not in the game.

The Anarchy ending also has the issue that you still need to go through almost the entire game with your party before rejecting them and actually going solo, rather than being part of more natural route splits throughout the game.

>>715405810
>For the content that was added
Implying that the content itself was insufficient for the price, which also means that if more content were added the price itself would become an irrelevant factor.
>dlc that doesn't add any new areas at that, the demons are just plopped at arbitrary points on the map.
Criticism of the lack of effort put into making new content for the game.

This is exactly what you're talking about.

>by that definition including things like how it was released or the price shouldn't be included in the evaluation
Unfortunately they're always going to be a factor when judging the quality of the content. Going back to pokemon for a moment, for half the price of SMT VV you can get two full expansions that more than doubles the amount of available monsters and gives you two new, fairly large, maps to explore.

I meme this every thread but I really wish the game pushed you more towards the anarchy option. It feels very out of place the way it is now. Also friendship route gets a little fucked up with what they did with Dagda.
How I'd fix things would be to Keep Asahi dead in Friendship. have a secret scene in the end sure where she's back from the dead or something as a reward for stopping yhvh or whatever. that's fine. Nanashi should have more of a reason to use the egg and losing his childhood friend and realizing that this shit world lost his greatest light would reasonably make him go "fuck this creating a new universe" but it's so dumb how you pick friendship and oh wow everything just works out in the end GOOOO friendship! I mean yeah anarchy everything works out too but you just picked the "evil" choice for the lulz.

>>715405810
>it doesnt matter if I had to get buttfucked in order to experience the content, that doesn't factor into it for me and I dont understand why other people look at it that way
Its a real mystery.

>>715397234
VV had 270+ demons. Raidou Remaster has 30+ demons that weren't in VV. They're getting close.

>>715406124
Dude the bonds ending has a dumb asspull where Danu asks you to kill Dagda so she can remake him as a friendly version, at that point I was just like "okay, why didnt you do this waaaay earlier?"

>>715406124
>and that hurts/weakens YHVH.
Anon, what weakens him is the fact they don't accept him as God. Then the human power of observation kicks in and rips him him away from the concept of a God, debasing him.
That's what he tried to avoid by sealing off his realm.

To say that's the power of friendship is like saying shooting someone with a gun is the power of friendship because you think of your friends before you do it.

>>715401874
I mean, you're usually done with a domain in a couple of minutes. It's different from the length of an actual dungeon.

>>715406259
Nigger I emulated SMT VV, no buttfucking has gone on over here. I've complained about Atlus rereleases probably since before you were born, you just didn't understand what I said and that's okay

>>715406358
That's literally the power of friendship scene that's in every kodomo anime and tokusatsu show

>>715406197
I agree. anarchy should 100% have been dagda leveraging the fact that asahi was the closest person nanashi had and use the possibility of "reviving" her as his goddess to get nanashi to go anarchy, and friendship being unable to revive her as the cost of moving on from her passing and coping with the new friend group he made with asahi, instead of sacrificing them all to get her back. would have been really compelling imo

>>715406293
it's so fucked up man. the moment I was reading this shit I was like how the fuck are we the good guys here the fuck
>>715406124
yeah that's why I'm thinking at least this is more of a reason to pick anarchy >>715406197

>>715406358
>Anon, what weakens him is the fact they don't accept him as God.

And in the bonds ending they say they don't need him as God, his mercy or his blessing, because they have each other. Over and Over.


>To say that's the power of friendship is like saying shooting someone with a gun is the power of friendship because you think of your friends before you do it.

Your thinking is doing nothing there though. They're literally hurting God by going on about how their bonds stand above him.

>>715406449
Think for a second anon, what power was generated by friendship there?
Keep in mind that the same effect can be achieved without friendship.

>whatever decision you make, I'll always be by your side
>NO! NOT LIKE THAT ILL KILL YOU
what the fuck

>>715406421
So that anon was right you don't have any standards.

>>715406421
>I pirated it so no one can ever factor in the price of the content when judging it and I dont know why people do
Like I said its a mystery.

ENTER

>>715402079
That's the last floor of the last dungeon not the last dungeon.

>>715406527
You seem to be under the assumption that the term "power of friendship" refers to a literal power like a friendship beam or something

>>715406520
>And in the bonds ending they say they don't need him as God, his mercy or his blessing, because they have each other. Over and Over.
Anon, you just said it wasn't friendship.
>they say they don't need him as God
That's what's doing it. Being friends isn't giving them a new ability, they're making use of an ability that humans always had.
If you want to put a name to it beyond observation it's more the power of "fuck you".

>Your thinking is doing nothing there though
That's the point, their friendship isn't doing anything to YHVH. Had they all said
>wow its really the god...
>we have to beat him though, for our friends!
Then they wouldn't have reduced his power because they all acknowledged him as THE God.

Reminder that you just met those guys not long ago and they basically just used you since you could summon demons They have you go there go do that and over town while Dadga brought you back to life after you died and by extension also saved your childhood friend Asahi who was next to be killed and he even granted you the power to protect yourself and Asahi.
Making the humans the "friendshio" route over Dadga was fuck up. Dadga was your only real friend besides Asahi.

>>715406609
You can factor in the price when judging it, I never said otherwise. Your reading comprehension is just dogshit and you're intentionally misinterpreting what I said in order to reinforce a point that I already agree with. If a movie ticket costs $1000, but it's literally the best movie of all time, I'm not going to say the content of the movie is shit just because it was overpriced. I might bring up how it was overpriced and you probably shouldn't buy it in an all encompassing review of the movie, but when evaluating the CONTENT of the movie (seriously google what this word means because you're having trouble grasping it) I'm not going to say that the content of it was bad. Holy shit you are fucking stupid

newfaggot here. I played VV last year and just played 4 and 4A last month
what do I play next? I'm leaning towards DeSu since I got a 3ds a few months ago so I want to play more of the handheld games first

>>715407170
SJ is difficult but the final game the old SMT team ever did before the handoff to the new IV team. Its good but only worth it if youre a seasoned veteran in the Dungeon Crawler RPG space.

Do 'people' still blow Nocturne or has the consensus grown the fuck up yet and realized it is pretty boring with its next to nothing narrative and characters?

>>715392251
Based

>>715407170
strange journey

>>715391989 (OP)
this game was so bad it nearly made me ignore the series. it's so fucking boring, I had to force myself to finish it twice before reading a guide for the neutral ending which I only got once. I will never replay it, conversely I've beaten 3, 4a and v multiple times

>>715407257
I've not played many dungeon crawlers, I'll save SJ til after I play DeSu and a couple EO games

>>715407548
It's a game that's propped up solely by it's atmosphere and music.
Smirk gameplay is shit
Tokyo map is shit
Dungeon design is shit
All the characters besides Walter are boring
Story makes you think it's going somewhere really interesting but in the end it's no better than the other games

>>715407627
Yeah they added stuff to make it easier on the 3DS remake but a lot longtime fans don't like that revision due to some of the lore stuff they added.

>>715407548
I can't imagine playing nocture a second time
It's soooo fucking boring

>>715407939
I don't sit on tiktok all day so I never had much issue replaying it

>>715406997
>you can factor in things like price when judging content in an all encompassing view of the content
>no cant have an all encompassing view of content when judging it, you have to arbitrarily judge it in isolation and I dont know why people dont do that
Yeah its a real mystery.

>>715406771
Anon, the power of friendship is a literal power.
A boost of stamina and strength
A new form or ability
That's why it's called the POWER of friendship, it's not metaphorical.
To name a few examples off the top of my head
Kamen Rider Build RabbitDragon
Obtaining new persona in persona 3 to 5
Digivolution in most digimon anime, hell it's powered by positive emotions in general or it backfires. That and Yamato's crest is LITERALLY friendship.
Earthbound when people pray for you
Cyborg in Teen Titans when it somehow literally breaks his limits to save his friends.

The power of friendship isn't just doing things for friends or people it's a literal, tangible power created as a result of believing in that friendship.
If friendship is your reason to fight but not the power you're using then it isn't the power of friendship.

Do you get how this works now?

>>715399202
2 yes, but DDS 1 is great.
Memorable characters, good voice performances, competent setting, good (but admittedly not great) dungeons, awesome soundtrack. I personally really liked the mantra system too and thought the hunt mechanic added a lot of depth to random encounters which are usually quite boring. I wouldn’t put it on the level of Nocturne or IV, but it’s no slouch.
Wasn’t a big fan of 2 thoughever

>>715408189
>quadruples down on retardation

>>715401274
Diet Building is literally the GOAT jrpg dungeon what are you talking about

>>715406997
That's quite literally what the original anon you replied to did you fucking moron.
>Hell VV gets knocked down by a ton of points just for being a rerelease and not dlc.
He never said it made it a bad game so you're just shitting your pants for nothing.

>>715408309
>everyone except me is retarded and I dont know why
Yeah its a real mystery.

>>715406684
This game is so fucking good man

>>715408245
I blame tvtropes. Those fuckers put both in one big thing.

>>715408471
I heard the sequel is nothing like it and is garbage so I never played it and I'm eternally mad they'll never make a game like that again.

>>715408574
They almost did... Almost...
Then they fucked it up with the "oh why should we make a tactics game when intsys could have done that anyway?".

I really want to fuck Isabeau from behind on the Mikado Castle rooftop

>>715407731
Maybe music but not atmosphere. 3's atmosphere is completely consistent throughout the game. 4's atmosphere is RUINED the moment your faggot companions speak. The tunnel under the Ring of Gaea cult? Oozed atmosphere for just a little bit until someone spoke. Every SMT game should have a lone protagonist. SMT 1 and 2's atmosphere worked with companions because they didn't speak so much. 5 had fucking none.

>>715404249
>nooo pokemon can't be shit because other games are also shit
Pokemon fans are the biggest cucks in gaming. like holy fuck

>>715409243
That's not even remotely close to what he said.

>>715408872
Atlus is really good at fucking up ideas that have amazing potential and sure thing sequels.

>>715408469
I think the problem you might be having in understanding simple concepts that I'm explaining is that you're actually misquoting me
>>715408189
>>you can factor in things like price when judging content in an all encompassing view of the content
>>all encompassing view of the content
If you check my post you were replying to, I didn't actually say all encompassing view of the content, those are words you're putting in my mouth. I said an all encompassing view of the movie (which can include things like price or how it was released). There are things you might cover in a review that's not directly related to the content of the work, a good example is the context behind the release of MGS2, things like this would be important to cover in a review and is not speaking directly of the actual content inside of the game. I'm not sure if you misquoted me because your brain stuttered at trying to comprehend what I said or you just did it intentionally to continue an argument you were on the losing end of, regardless I'm satisfied with the conclusion of this and won't be replying to your low effort (or just low intelligence, take your pick) posts in the future.

>>715409327
I know it isn't. But it's the sentiment. It being the standard doesn't matter because the person he was responding to was pointing out that pokemon is shit. It doesn't matter if it sets the bar. It's still shit.

>>715409487
>I said movie, not content, that wasn't an analogy about the topic of discussion I just randomly started talking about movies totally separate from game content for no reason
Oh okay I see so any coherence that post had was me projecting it onto you.
Understood.

>>715409647
>But it's the sentiment
No, no it isn't. That's something you made up on your own. He was basically just explaining how standards work.
>It doesn't matter if it sets the bar. It's still shit.
That would suggest your scale of quality just starts at shit and you don't see anything as good.
Also no one here has actually said why it's bad. Granted, it is a bit of a gen Z bangwagon at this point so it's not as if you know how to identify what makes a game good or bad in this genre

>>715398471
>V has good gameplay
Not really, animations are not gameplay and who cares about animations

>Every "IV is the best smt thread":

>VV is the best
>nonono IV has dungeons
>VV's maps were dungeons, IV had more one way hallways than actual dungeons
>IV has an actual story!
>VV has a better one
>but IV has characters
>VV has depth and barely any one note characters unlike IV
>VV is nothing but "remember Nocturne"!
>IV is a "remember SMT 1, 2, SJ, and Nocturne" game, while VV is an actual sequel to Nocturne Maniax written by the same guy who directed it 20 years ago

>>715401923
Exactly

>>715405063
>play game so based it lets you screw any friends and kill yhvh raw like a boss
>this fag hallucinates that the player is being "berated" (??)
>despite demonstrably killing yhvh raw in a canon route that doesn't count and you can only do it with friendship
huh okay

>>715409983
You know he's just going to mention graphics, performance and post that tranny pokegirl image, right?

>>715409983
>>715410404
seething pokefags. keep sucking gamefreak cock you faggots.

>>715391989 (OP)
3, SJ and VV are better.

>>715410456
Just say why you think it's bad. Even you should at least have a basic opinion.

>>715410142
Zoomers have dogshit taste and VV is horrendous in every.single.fucking.way.

If you play these games for the graphics or the animations you should fuck off. You don't belong.

>>715410595
Bot reply

>>715410631
Retard post

>>715410515
No, fuck off. This is an SMT thread. I said Pokemon is shit in passing. get over it

>>715408904
>companions
>5 had fucking none
True for vanilla V, but VV changed that and imo it was for the better.

>>715410829
I meant 5 had no atmosphere. Should of worded that better. Should add that 4a has none and is just Persona lite.

testt

>>715391989 (OP)
Lmao SMTIV is the worst! Yes it does get better: SMT1, SMTII, SMTIII, Strange Journey, SMTV/VV, and SMTif… they are all better than SMTIV duology Nintendo baby tourist.

>>715406124
>>Yeah, it doesn't happen in the Anarchy ending, of course, and you still get YHVH rejected without any of that
It's also way cooler because in Anarchy he recites bible quotes at you and you have to specifically reject the parts of each quote that come off as self fellation

>>715410826
So that's no to having an opinion.
Who knew that soulless golems like you posted on /v/?

>>715410020
Why is it bad?

>>715412051
Keep crying poketard. What are you gonna do next, scare me with anime girls?? Lmfao. Upvoted!!! I'm le goign to le Alice xDD>>715412212

>>715413026
>What are you gonna do next
Continue to mock you. After all you keep on coming back out of sheer rage anyway

>>715413139
Your mocking is giving me a chub. Maybe you need a new hobby nerd.

>>715391989 (OP)
Devil Survivor 1 is still better.

>>715413227
So you're masochistic

>>715408574
>I heard the sequel is nothing like it and is garbage so I never played it
As far as gameplay goes, it's basically a slightly better DeSu 1. Story and general tone take a dive, but hey at least Tri has some funny shit in there.

>>715398060
The games are all about the combat and exploration. If you don't like that this isn't the series for you.

DeSu 2 RB is fantastic and everyone who says 1 is still better is a chode.
Better music, phys is buffed, and Io pops like nappa if you rush through the game and don't do her events.
The pixel gore was fantastic. You see a nigga get smashed by stadium concrete in the first 3 minutes of RB

>>715399202
I really enjoyed the combat in DDS. I know a big draw for SMT is the monster collection but I really enjoyed having total control over passives, affinities and skills without needing to back track to save zones or spend resources for it. I'd have liked to see promotional classes for your group that complimented their stats. Though I hated the stomach ache mechanic which never made sense to me and the encounter rate is capital r Retarded.

Aogami and Vkun >>>> Flynn and Isaboring

>>715406684
Im afraid its peak.

>>715392198
I think it'd be more feasible to just do what Konami did with their DS Castlevanias and do that for SMT IV/A. Might have to touch up some of the sprite work and the dungeon crawling graphics

>>715414502
i agree that io is the best part about desu2, other than that, both games are great in their own right, but desu1 btfos it in just about every aspect, especially the story and soundtrack. also, i'm a magicfag anyway

>>715406272
A good amount of demons don't even have 3D models, not even in Dx2.

>>715399779
I would 100% put 1 over 4. Don't give me any of that "you haven't played it!" crap.

wasted potential the character.

>>715417603
Narrative foil for the protagonist.

>>715415242
Your neutral rep protag cock sleeve:
>gay robot with zero personality but stays loyal regardless of choice
or
>indecisive fujo that kills herself if you don't choose neutral

It's like the special olympics.

>>715417603
why did raidou turn extremist bros

>>715417780
Loyalty regardless of alignment is more important than anything else imo.

>>715417965
They neutered the rising sun flag. It was the final straw.

>>715417603
>wasted potential the character.
That's every alignment rep, except DeSu ones I guess.

>>715417603
Best part of the game actually.

>>715410305
Stephen tells you that you are the worst person who ever existed and the game does everything it can to make you feel bad for murdering the anime stereotypes who were your bestest friends ever.

>>715417603
I liked that he gets depressed after his waifu got killed, very realistic depiction of tryhards

>>715417603
Damn he's literally me. And everyone talking about him is talking about literally me. Branching language wholesome 100

post your favorite SMT track and your reaction to it
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuvXi3A1i7s

>>715419032
I'm being petty, but honestly it wasn't enough for me. After all his posturing and looking down at others him just giving up on getting in the way didn't cut it.
I wanted him to admit he was full of shit, and beg the Nahobino to find a way to bring her back. I wanted there to be an option to tell him no based on his own philosophy and he just goes mute from shock, and if you say no he joins your party and apologizes to or thanks you after every battle.

Mouthy fucker needed to understand whose game he's in.

>>715419378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyGJp9awO20

Is III worth playing if I enjoyed IV? I was told V was ass.

>>715419378
>jumpscares you
>drops the hottest beat in franchise history
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK72sfCwkOo&list=RDTK72sfCwkOo

>>715419378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uir1NM7vvxI

>>715419378
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gblyxku5gvY&pp=ygUSc210IDUgYmF0dGxlIGRhJ2F0

>>715419970
Despite what those over it will tell you, playing Nocturne is a prerequisite of being an SMT fan.
And V's assness is partially remedied with VV if you like.

>>715399779
I legitimately believe 1 is better than 3
>SJ>4>5>1>3>2

>>715421558
It really is impossible for nocturnefags to not be obnoxious.

>>715407270
>Lethal Company style game set in SMT:SJ's environment

>>715422726
Given how fucking manic the conversation system is in the Megami Tense games it'll work like this.
>See Jack Frost, he asks for your flashlight
>Give flashlight
He either
>Says you're cool and gives you a flashlight
>Calls you a pussy and beats you to death
>Says that's just what he was looking for and running the fuck off
It wouldn't be scary in the slightest so much as very confusing, especially if you are a newfag and don't udnerstand anything about the Megaten games.

>>715392790
Doesn't everyone turn into minecraft cubes whenever you kill them?

>>715392251
TPBP

>>715404683
I don't hate them or really wanted to kill them but I just think I agree with Dagda that the bigger picture is more important, really great game ngl

>>715419378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDGIHphpuJ0

>>715419378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0XmaWzcWbQ
I like how calm it sounds

>>715422869
He might also do this

>>715391989 (OP)
why does nobody ever mention soul hackers? 2 was dogshit but 1 definitely still holds up

>>715392198
High, they even remastered that old game nobody played

>>715399779
Cope, retard.
1>SJ>3>2>4s>>>>>5

>>715425076
Souls Hackers is technically Persona, not SMT. Same with Devil Summoners.

I never played devil survivor, do I try original or overclocked?

>>715391989 (OP)
These are some of the worst character designs I've ever seen. Just a bunch of androgynous blobs, each with a stupider haircut than the last.

>>715425838
even still it plays like smt 1 and 2 so its close enough

>>715426276
Overclocked