How difficult is this compared to other souls games?

piss easy

>>715447118 (OP)
hardest at the beginning. easiest layer on.

a bit easier but the boss doors are a million miles away

bump

There's two bosses in the entire game that have any challenge, you'll sleepwalk through the game if you played any souls game released after this.

>>715447118 (OP)
You will call it too easy after every bossfight while forgetting about the 50 deaths that made you lose your shit trying to get through the level.

If you're playing base ps3 version, then your biggest enemy will be framerate drops.
And probably getting lost in the swamp and a bit in the prison. The game itself isn't that hard.

Everything is slower, much more deliberate. If playing this after say, Elden Ring, everything will take some getting used to.
It goes at a pace that feels sane and not spastic anime shit that is Elden Ring endgame.

>>715447118 (OP)
The only actually challenging.
Zoom zooms call it "broken", because they cannot take things slow.

>>715450012
I'm planning to buy it on the PS5

>>715447118 (OP)
Generally speaking I found DeS and DaS1 to be far, far easier than what came after, with the ER DLC being by far the hardest "Soulslike" content From have made (I haven't played Bloodborne though). DeS itself was basically a walk in the park with moderate challenge at best, with the exception of the poison swamp in the Valley of Defilement which I found extraordinarily tedious, annoying and unpleasant.

>>715447118 (OP)
It's the easiest one

The bosses themselves are piss-easy (except for Flamelurker, Allant, and Maneaters, and even then they're only average-difficulty compared to Bloodborne or Sekiro), but the boss runbacks are all merciless. Dark World tendency is ruthless too, and it's lacking in quality of life things like Estus or infinite inventory space. It's the easiest, yet also the most frustrating

>>715450360
Have some self-respect.

>>715447118 (OP)
Hardest level is 4-2 by far, unless you cheese the enemies with a bow. The rest of the game is pretty easy overall, including bosses. Hardest boss is flamelurker from 2-2, but he's not that hard compared to bosses from the later games.

Easy bosses, harder levels.

>>715447118 (OP)
it has a weird difficulty curve where the majority of late game content is a sequence of gimmick sepiece boss battles that are designed to be easy with no levels preceding them.

>>715450360
Don't.
The DE-make is god awful clusterfuck, that ruins the art-design, mood and gameplay. And don't get me even started on the shitty nu-VA and OST...

>>715451437
So.... should i get elden ring with SoTE instead?

>>715447118 (OP)
It's easy compared to other souls games, it's just "punishing" because if you do die usually you have to do a ridiculously long run back through most of the level

>>715451704
Not him but I sure would, far more value there.

>>715451704
Yeah I'd say ER is better than the DeS demake. You can also play the OG DeS on RPCS3, at 4k 60FPS or whatever you prefer.

>>715451704
Emulate demons souls, pirate elden ring and buy nightreign

its the easiest for sure, but still very much a great and fun experience. dont play the ugly ass remake though. it looks and runs great on emulators

>>715451958
Alrighty then

>>715451985
Including the SoTE expansion?

>>715452045
I already pirated elden ring but went in like a numb digger and tried to kill the tree sentinel first thing in. Most i managed to do was bring it down to 50% hp. Now i'm watching guides online and will do a different playthrough to get me some power.

>>715447118 (OP)
As a Souls veteran who never played Demon's Souls before I was surprised by the challenging areas. Lots of traps, lots of ambushes, very few bonfires. A lot of the bosses I was able to kill on my first or second attempt but the areas were quite a bit more challenging than the usual Dark Souls experience. Mostly because of a lack of checkpoints. You could die by some ambush you failed to see coming or fall off a ledge somewhere and realize you've been chucked back quite a ways.

>>715447118 (OP)
It's not that hard but it has a few "what the fuck were they thinking" moments of questionable level design that can fuck you.
Also world tendency is ass cancer.

playing the original demons souls and dark souls 1 back in 2012 are some of my favorite experiences with gaming. if you've never played the souls games, then they are great first games. started with DS1 personally and then DeS, but you can do it in either direction you want. DeS is easier though i'd say. i replayed it like 3 years ago with RPCS3 and it ran buttery smooth and looked very nice

>>715452724
I won't be buying it after this thread. The lack of qol is killing me

>>715450789
This. You kind of have to know what you're getting into since the game is awful if you don't know the game to a certain degree (including a certain borderline mandatory ring you can easily accidentally skip.)

>>715452184
>Including the SoTE expansion?
Yeah, it's basically more & harder ER. If you like base ER you will probably like that, unless the increased difficulty is a problem. Compared to vanilla ER, SotE makes a few changes but it's fundamentally not that different:
>significantly increased difficulty, especially bosses
>better overworld level design
>fewer optional side dungeons, which makes it feel a bit empty
>but the side dungeons that you do find, are higher quality and more unique
>a bunch of cool new weapons, sorceries and incantations

>>715452885
It's worth playing for historical importance and some genuinely interesting ideas, but anyone that says it's better than, say, DaS1 is just bring a contrarian retard.

>>715452993
Thank you for taking the time to write that. I will keep it in mind. The ER+SoTE price for PS5 is like 55 euros and ER alone costs 25. I have a huge fear of being filtered, but i have the courage to try a boss 400 times.

>>715447118 (OP)
The value of these games is not in their difficulty, and never has been. Demon's Souls is the best Souls game because it is completely organic and uncompromising and committed to its vision, exactly the opposite of slop like Elden Ring.

It's 'easy' in that enemy attacks are actually tied to animations that make sense and the devs hadn't fallen into the creative fucking chasm of spamming AoEs and combos in every fight and were more interested in making the world immersive than they were in ebin twitch reaction fights. It's hard in that you have no fast travel in levels and have to commit to choices you make.

>>715453149
If you "try a boss 500 times" you are doing something wrong
Try learning where you go wrong

>>715453174
You're mistaking novelty for quality. DeS is a very compelling game in how experimental it was, but it's also a game bogged down by poor planning and half baked systems. DaS has just as much experimentation and artistic integrity, but it's also a far more refined experience.

>>715453174
I have hundreds and hundreds of hours across all these games and I genuinely find flmalurker to be harder than most bb and ds3 bosses; i just cant get the hang of him at all. The level leading up to him kinda sucks too.
I do love the slower paced combat more than the roll spam shit from ER. If From ever do another game like this i hope they dial back the speed and focus on worlrd design. You know how in symphony of the night the entire game is one huge interconnected place? Something like that as a slow paced souls game would be kino. I agree with you that the devs seem to have run out of ideas on how to make the game challenging without justy speeding everything up.

>>715453704
I love DaS, my point is that by the time you get to ER you can see the devs mindlessly iterating on their formula with no clear sense of what made it good in the first place. The cult of 'Prepare to Die' and its consequences have been a disaster for From Software.

>>715453149
No problem. Keep in mind that there's plenty of game in base ER as well if you go for the huge amount of side content. You can easily just buy vanilla ER and then get SotE if you want to play more when you're done with it. Going early into SotE can definitely get you some build-defining stuff but it's by far the hardest content in the game so I wouldn't suggest going in early on your 1st playthrough when you don't know what you're doing.

Bosses are much easier but some of the levels are very punishing, especially compared to later From games.

>>715453839
I agree. ER boss design is abhorrent in places and the obsession with difficulty and the powercreep that comes with it is contrary to what made the early Souls games fun.
If there's one thing I appreciate about DeS, it's that it made sure to make every boss feel unique and wasn't afraid of unconventional challenges.

>>715447118 (OP)
depends on what skills you bring to the table.
for me it was significantly easier than any of their other games because I played it carefully inching my way forward through the world. my brother on the other hand is the kind who runs straight ahead and pretty much in no time his tower of latria was populated by black phantoms and he said it's the hardest from souls game he's played

>DeS bosses LE BAD because they're not all epic iframe rolling through coked up Artorias clones
>DaS bosses better even though a handful are inferior copies of DeS bosses because it's my first souls :)

>>715447118 (OP)
It's more punishing. There's just 1 "bonfire" every area.

>*kills self in the nexus after every boss to avoid black world tendency*
*yawn*, the game is honestly piss easy

>>715451704
Ignore the poorfags, they'd be singing the games praises if it was on PC.
The remake is fine.

>>715454890
No way shill

>>715454243
Yeah that's what i thought. I will get the base game for 25 eurobucks and won't touch erdtree until i git gud. I'm dead serious about gitting gud in ER, it's like a lifegoal.

>>715454560
DeS probably has 1 truly good boss (Flamelurker), and the rest are either
1. forgettable/fodder bosses (colossus / old hero)
2. gimmick bosses (dragon, spider)
3. bad (maneaters)

>>715455484
>Gimmicks are bad
OK ERtard

>>715455552
the only good gimmick boss was storm king, in the context of
1. cool design
2. interesting gimmick
3. cool location
The issue is, he was in the wrong game.
(I've never even played ER)

That isn't really quantifiable. Probably harder than Dark Souls 1. Dark Souls 2 is extremely long (so more areas to die in) and has a hard mode option. But that length also means you level up a ton. I'd say Dark Souls 3 is harder, maybe.
New Game+ Demons Souls is harder than any NG+ in the Souls series, and is on par with many +s in the other games.

>>715447118 (OP)
It's overwhelmingly the easiest game in the series. You have infinite healing and there is no Poise/stance damage you stagger everything on hit.

>>715453789
you can kite flamelurker quite comfortably with the large area you are given

>>715450360
That's the best version. The Sodden Ring makes the swamp much more bearable.

>>715455059
Gameplay is better in the remake, and gameplay is king.

>>715447118 (OP)
It's literally the easiest Soulslike. It's actually quite jarring if you're playing it for the first time after having played modern Soulslikes.

>>715456248
He asked compared to Souls games. The last Souls game is nearly 10 years old.

>>715456340
BB & DS3 are still modern and the games every new Soulslike copies. Point still stands.
>DeS has even easier combat and bosses than 1 & 2
>DeS has even more linear level design than BB & DS3

>>715450360
This is bait but please kill yourself if you do. Just emulate unless you're a retard who bought a ps5.

>>715455484
What about King Allant retard?

>>715455484
>all da bosses BAD because not press roll to hardcore
>Dark Souls copying Vanguard, Phalanx, Tower Knight, Dragon God, Fool's Idol, and Maneaters but arguably worse is ok because it just is

>>715456980
I want to buy a PS5 for the timed exclusives. I will get a shitton of neetbucks soon and will buy a 4k tv and a ps5, already have 2 pcs and a deck

>>715456115
>muh rolling and storage
>it's better because it's casualized
"No!"

>>715450360
Based. Don't listen to the retards of /v/. There was a false rumour going around that Demon's Souls Remake was getting a PC release and this board was in full support of DeSR until it was cleared up that it was a PS5 exclusive. This board is very predictably shallow, petty, and with 0 integrity. Just angry nerds deeply entrenched in endless platform wars.

>>715458298
>only PCfags hate it
>YOU'RE the one obsessed with platform wars

>>715458298
>entrenched in endless platform wars
I never understood this. I'm a pc gamer, been a PS gamer, even subscribed to goypass for PC. One company's games i didn't really get into were nintendo because their games are way overpriced imo. But still i'm not hating on Nintendo, it's just not for me.

>>715455458
ER is more about making a strong build than just git gud I think, or rather the game is wide enough and has enough options that it allows you to pull some crazy shit. Even the hardest bosses can be trivialized with the right builds and understanding of mechanics.

>>715458449
>t. PC fag

>>715447118 (OP)
Bait threat
OP intentionally used an image of American's Souls cover art to elicit reactions

>>715449875
DeS is the least causal friendly. Ive seen Elden Ring 1k hour players play DeS for the first time and die 700 times in it.

>>715458629
>muh bosses

>>715455484
subhuman zoomer

>>715450012
There were never any fps drops in the ps3 version apart from when you blow up explosive barrels which only exist in two rooms of the whole game.
>>715451704
Play original DeS. If you don't have a ps3, emulate it. Its one of the best games of all time. The demake is awful.
ER is alright but one of the worst Souls games, its genuinely like 70% playtime of riding around in an empty world with no interesting exploration. Not nearly enough proper dungeons.

>>715452724
Awful zoomer post
Its got the best difficulty design of any Souls
>>715452885
People told you to not play the remake, not to not play DeS. Can't you read?
DeS is way, way fucking better than any of them after DS1.

>all the pcsissies still coping with their emulated demons souls

Lmao, you faggots were creaming your pants when the trailer for the remake came out


Remake has better performance and gameplay, way better, those are the most important things in a video game, GAMEPLAY and also being able to play said game

Now post your 2 cherry-picked screenshots where the original looks subjectively better, losers

>>715459095
Settle down bluepointranny

>>715453704
Always empty words from DeS critics, never any examples. What poor planning and half baked systems? The game is incredible in every way

>>715459260
Not a critic, it alternates between my second and third favorite Souls game, but there's plenty of issues. The primary one is hardly any damn levels. Only Boletaria has more than two stages. The final stage for each world is solely devoted to a puzzle boss.

>>715454890
Absolutely no one would. The remake is horrible trash.

>>715456115
>demake zoomers think easier = better
The mask slips

>>715447118 (OP)
A couple of levels are still among the hardest but the bosses are all super easy. Great game, one of my favorites.

>>715458298
Shill blatantly fucking LYING
Absolutely everyone here from the very start was extremely against the demake because from first reveal they showed how they raped the whole setting and art direction
Was your image of how disgusting it looks supposed to convince your brainwashing target to think that is good?

>>715447118 (OP)
Much easier overall. There was only one boss in the entire game that took me more than 2 tries - flamelurker. And the normal exploration is a bit easier as well.

>>715458463
Because he's lying you fucking retard mongrel. Pc has no brand elitism like that because it isn't a brand. The defense of an objectively awful remake is born entirely out of a shitskin spic Sony fanaticism and nothing else. Their inferior brains can't comprehend how White minds actually have standards and understand art.
When you see pavement apes defending this demake its the same kind of jeets who can't tell CGI apart from real life in YouTube comments or send sexual requests in comment sections of Renaissance paintings of nude women.

Don't you fucking understand, the internet used to be 98% white just 15 years ago. Its 90% 3rd worlders now. Majority of the comments you see on the internet now might as well be from gorillas.

>>715458502
That doesn't look good
>>715459095
Absolutely everyone here hated it immediately when the trailer came out. Stop lying for pennies, jeet filth.

it has simultaneously the best and worst poison swamp in souls history

>>715460316
I have trouble believing that people who hate poison swamps actually enjoy Souls games. They are emblematic of the series' design as a whole.
I don't think 5-2 is very interesting though. Much like Blighttown, the rafters part is a better stage.

>>715458298
look we're now bloodborne guys!!!!!!! so epic and cool and gothic

>>715460316
>put on HP regen ring
>regenerates HP almost as fast as poison drains it

>>715455484
False King Allant and Impaler were good, too. And everyone remembers colossus, old hero was kino too.
Feels like you're a remake baby trying to project hard.

>>715457293
boring roller-skater
>>715461486
impaler was boring and forgettable and borderline a gimmick boss

>>715461654
>boring and forgettable
Except I 'member double teaming him with an NPC and I played it in 2009 and I enjoyed that fight very much.

>>715450360
kys

>>715460790
>Big empty area you slowly trudge through is Souls
Are you an ER baby?

>>715456115
>Gameplay is better in the remake
>bosses nerfed for casuals

>>715462306
They aren't empty. They are full of flying enemies, slugs, and big bruisers.

>>715447118 (OP)
I love invading negroes in the swamp area haha

>>715447118 (OP)
The most difficult because it's hard to play games while asleep.

>>715460256
Your face probably doesn't look good.

>>715461037
aww look he's angweee awwww poor little guy ahahahahaha

>>715451704
ER is utter shit.
Terribly designed, the most pointless open world ever. It's also THE easiest and most forgettable "Souls" slop.

If you don't want to start with the OG, get Sekiro instead.
You can pirate all of these.

>>715447118 (OP)
It's probably more difficult until you get to the bosses as they're more puzzles/gimmicks you have to figure out. I find the stages generally more hazardous than later games and the finale with that dragon guarding the final stretch up those stairs is some serious bullshit.

>>715459435
its a fucking AA game that was just meant for the nips the game most likely costed under 10mil its amazing for what was done

>>715459726
>NOOOOOOOO IT NEVER HAPPENED NOOOOOO STOOOPPP NOOOOOO AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

>>715464121
parryslop shit

>>715464469
funny thing is all of them got a pc weaker then a ps5

>>715464594
Steam's average hardware survey seems to prove that to be the case

>>715447118 (OP)
played the PS5 version and it's ridiciously easy after beating all the souls games, also it has some questionable game design choices such as the fucking karma system

>>715447118 (OP)
it's the easiest one since from tries to one up themselves with difficulty each game. but i think the levels are harder in ng+ compared to ds1's ng+ though. oddly it's the only one to me that had a significant jump in difficulty when going to ng+.

>>715447118 (OP)
The original Demon Souls is the only Souls game in which difficulty is neither artifical nor vacuous. Every encounter and events are lined up and designed carefully, observation and patience are rewarded with mechanics that defuse difficulty.

Meanwhile the rest of the series from DS2 onwards (and DS1 being the second and thus only entry I am willing to glance over) is catering to the "dude, bro, lol, bro it's so hard, bro" crowd of performative gaymers who'd waste their time playing the n-th iteration of the fundamentally the same but worse (in all but plain scale) and reskinned game, featuring the same broken netcode, input lag and glitchy mechanics, in the most suboptimal way imaginable to fish for parasocial validation. The dude, bro, lol, bro it's so hard, bro" crowd is the very reason the Souls series never developed any of its novel mechanics (world alignments, invasions beyond PvP ridden by poor netcode, environmental storytelling beyind cryptic garbage narrated in third-party content of some e-celeb parasocialites, environmental/encounter mechanics, ...) or fixed any of the tech issues and stale combat/encounter designs (that have been copy-pasted into every entry since, with the exception of Sekiro).

>>715462496
Sorry, mostly empty but with the worst enemies in the game in small interspaced clusters.
The DaS1 and 3 swamps are "fine", but Swamp of Sorrow is aggressively annoying and a big chunk of it is just empty swamp.

>>715457865
Wrong. I fell for the meme with the ps4 pro cause a friend wanted me to game with him. Half a year or two later most of the games I got on there went on PC. It's a retarded decision on your part.

>>715447118 (OP)
Every Souls game is harder than all the previous ones.
Demons Souls was only challenging in the early days because people didn't know what to expect.
Today it is pretty easy for anyone that just came off of Elden Ring or DS3/Bloodborne.

>>715464469
That pic is literally just paid shills retard LOL. If you go on this board then you should know how this works. Happens on /tv/ too when a new show is announced or just came out. If not paid shills then retarded Sony consumers but it's most likely shills.

>>715466535
Who are shills? The guys talking trash about Sony? Not much a brain you got there is there, dum dum?

>>715447118 (OP)
how will i like it if i havent played FromSlop before?

>>715458629
>i've seen
And haven't played.

>>715458041
>>715459520
>>715462416
>no arguments
Sodden Ring alone makes it the better version.

>>715466373
It's the other way around. Buying a PC is retarded because all its games go to console now.

>>715468028
>it's better because it's casualized
"No!"

>>715458502
That looks good.

>>715468116
It's also better because it has a more active online community, on top of having better gameplay.

>>715447118 (OP)
Hilariously piss easy
Literally the only difficulty comes from you not having access to your entire inventory at all times, and having to budget weight for stuff beyond what's immediately in your hands, and having the entire level as runback if you somehow DO die.
There are two bosses in this game that MIGHT kill you, if you sleepwalk into them and don't realize you actually could die, not counting deaths to souls jank that's always there.
If you want a goddamn power trip, do magic. Magic is OBSCENE in Demon's. Nothing else in the series compares.

>>715468352
Original is better even without online, on top of having better everything.

>>715466145
Eeeeh
DS2 only really got that from the DLC. The base game of DS2 is probably on par with Demon's for the easiest standard playthrough. A bit harder, but with way more degenerate tools the player has to defuse them, so idk what the exact balance between them is.
DS1 was hard in mostly the same way DeS was, the difficulty mostly being mechanical obtuseness that the player becomes comfortable with, then breezes through everything. Base DS2 is... KINDA like this, but with the systems getting a bit more depth and logical extreme degrees to them, leading to the tools I mention. If the hardest boss in Demon's is maybe the Flamelurker, and base DS1 is maybe O&S, DS2's hardest is either the Ancient Dragon, who is something of an optional superboss you're not "supposed" to fight anyways, or discounting them, maybe the Darklurker, who is... also optional. The hardest core progression boss is probably the Smelter Demon
The DLCs to 2 added the fucking hell zones and "hard" bosses.
The problem is mostly that the "hard" bosses of DS2's DLC also happened to be some of the favorites from the game, like Sir Alonne and Fume Knight, so those were considered the successful things to take away from DS2 going forwards.
Bloodborne very much settled into this identity though, and since most of their development was concurrent, it's safe to say both of them reached the same conclusion independently.
In the case of Bloodborne, it's more straightforward. For DS2, the hard bosses were considered good for reasons mostly independent of their difficulty, while the average Bloodborne boss is so undercooked that only the difficult ones engage the player with the underlying systems of the game at all.
Whatever the case may be, the result was Dark Souls 3, which was the first one to just wholesale, unapologetically be hard for the sake of being hard, at a base level.

Why does /v/ pretend like Demon's Souls Remake is bad? I got a good 30 hours of gameplay out of it. Might redownload it and play it again to go for the 100% trophy.

Demons souls has the best hub and charachters

My boy stockpile Thomas is unparallelled

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DdnuZEq1q54

>>715472059
Inferior to the original

>>715447118 (OP)
literally just hold block until the enemy attacks and it stops everything. it is not hard at all. the bosses are pretty much all easy. once u realize how terrible the ai is, then it's literally a joke of a game like with the first big knight boss. the hardest part is if you want to level up your weapon, you will have to grind one spot for materials for hours upon hours. i quit after trying to kill those stone worms trying to level up my axe. one of the worst gaming experiences ever made pound for pound

>>715472059
It's just worse than the original.
It's not THAT much worse, but, the original is right there.