Thread 715468832

said literally nobody, ever
and yes if you purchase something you have a right to access that shit even if it's stuck in some obscure gacha that will just die and private servers will ever be made
if you disagree you are a jew or klaus schwab (same thing)

imagine if these normalfags petitioned less immigrants
or more inflation measures
or less taxes
or literally anything but fucking video games

>>715469296
>REEEEE WHY IS THIS COFFEE I DRANK GONE I PAID FOR IT REEEEEE

>>715468832 (OP)
correct. i hope indie devs work themselves into early graves too
cry about it

>>715469342
>Why are people talking about video games on the video game board when they could push my politics instead??

>>715469342
kill yourself

>>715468832 (OP)
Yes. And it had better be transferable too. Wouldn't want my descendants to not be able to experience what I did.

>>715468832 (OP)
Stop defending billion dollar corporations.

>>715468832 (OP)
If you take care of them, sure. The onus is on you maintaining them but they can last forever.
For online videogames you don't even have that option.

>>715468832 (OP)
Companies shouldn't be allowed to arbitrarily take away the things they sell AFTER they've already sold them. Why are you so emasculated to just let them fuck you over like this?

>>715469407
>about video games
ah yes, ecelebs are video games. way to out yourself tourist tankie
>>715469413
>waahhh waahhhh
lol

reply some more, I love retard tears

I don't know why corpo hates it considering they can milk diehard fans twice by selling an offline version of their game like Capcom did
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/

>>715468832 (OP)
Shills are not sending their best huh?

>>715468832 (OP)
>forever
I only need it to last until the day I die.
And considering games are digital products, there is literally no excuse.

>>715468832 (OP)
Why shouldn't it?

>>715469390
coffee is a consumable
video games are not a simple consumable that auto-destroys itself once you played it, they don't degrade unless you lost data on your disc or hard drive, if it were not for always/mandatory online most games would be easily accessible today

>>715469342
They wouldn't pass

What is it about this movement which makes so many americans seethe?

>>715469530
Nintendo did this too with Pocket Camp Complete. The offline version costs money, but it still makes a profit for Ninty, keeps fans happy by preserving the game, and they don't have to manage the servers for it anymore. Win-win for everyone.

>>715469782
huh, almost like the EU (or any government for that matter) do whatever they want regardless of what people ask

makes me think, I genuinely do not know, what are some petitions that got passed?

>>715469708
Live service games are 100% a consumable. You get to use it until it's no longer cost effective for the devs to run and the time you enjoyed comes to an end. And no, they shouldn't be obligated to hand over running the service to users. It's their creation and they can choose whether they want to do that or not.

>>715470014
They're not obligated to do so

>>715469549
>Movement apparently about game preservation.
>Most videos talking about it is always about Pirate Software and insulting them.
You sure aren't bringing your best either. This tactic isn't going to work when you bring this this parliament.

>>715470114
Yes. Thanks. I just said that.

>>715468832 (OP)
>Buy boots
>Take care of boots
>One day, guy that sold you those boots steals them and chucks them into a fire
>"You had them long enough, you got your money's worth from those boots, just buy new boots"
This is what you're not getting

is not it kinda shocking how there are no arguments besides, shill, kill yourself, nobody said so
almost as if this entire movement is orchestrated by reddit zogbots

>>715470227
So why are you complaining?

>Megaman X Dive as a good example
lol have fun paying another $60 for the offline paypiggies

>>715470313
that's a man

>>715470313
>please argue with me for the hundredth time

>>715469507
Here's a reply. You are still wrong.

>>715470451
Here's a reply. You are still wrong. Still laughing.

Why would I ever want access to an empty private server of a dead game?

>>715469390
>Fat retard used irrelevant food metaphor

Clockwork

>>715469959
>I genuinely do not know, what are some petitions that got passed?
Any and all that produce a negative impact

>>715470014
>Live service games are 100% a consumable
maybe but the main issue is not true live service games is it? they are included but it's the main focus, I think of single player games with mandatory online DRM which is just a misleading practice and this implementation was deliberate because muh loicenses and copyright you will own nothing and be happy goyim
>You get to use it until it's no longer cost effective for the devs to run and the time you enjoyed comes to an end.
so if they planned an end of life patch you can at least enter the lobby and stare your skins and battle pass level, maybe disabling the matchmaking
gran turismo sport is a playstation exclusive racing game with always online and it got an end of life patch with offline functionalities availabile
>they shouldn't be obligated to hand over running the service to users
this is not for either me or you to decide, the lawmakers will have to find a compromise to suit players and devs, there's no strict definition of what is "best effort" and what isn't, we'll just have to wait and see
>It's their creation and they can choose whether they want to do that or not.
this was never an issue before and especially for older games there were many cases where the developers themselves handed all the necessary tools to the community so they can keep it alive if they want, which is literally preservation

>>715470307
>>Buy boots
You just a bought a license to the boots

>>715470307
Boots don't cost the manufacturer money to run after you've bought them.

>>715468832 (OP)
Its funny, you ask one of these twitch drones what SKG is about and you'll get a different reaponse each time. They literally are incapable of thinking for themselves or looking out for their own interests.

>>715470681
And games don't have to if you just let users make their own servers. Funny, ain't it?

>>715470014
As customers, we don't have to accept that bullshit. Oh well, the corpocucks will just think up another scam anyways

>>715470681
They do, every old boot that you wear is a lost sale.

>>715470832
What's funny is how entitled you are to think every dev should be obligated to spend time implementing that.

>>715470954
It's up to them if they want to do that

>>715468832 (OP)
>game company CEOs insist that paying money for something doesn't mean it's yours forever
>yet when I, an intellectual, steal their car at gunpoint-

>>715469887
It's just funny watching you guys ban yourselves from service games under the guise of "ownership" when you can't even own PC games to begin with.

>>715468832 (OP)
All they had to do was give up the damn dedicated server hosting tools.

>>715468832 (OP)
Nba 2k21 was a full priced game that lasted only a year until they desided to take down the servers for that game, as a result the majority of the game no longer works.

Even the singleplayer story mode no longer works, only quick matches, and you can not save your game either.

a full priced game literally only lasted for a year before they killed it.

>>715471772
womp womp
next time do not buy 2k shit

>>715470313
>reddit zogbots
how do you fellow goyim

>>715471772
SKG isn't fixing any of that.

>>715472039
Why not? I have plenty of disposable income. Don't tell me you're poor and have to research every game you buy?

>>715471772
Just buy next game chud
What are you, poor?

>>715468832 (OP)
There's no reason software should ever die. It's a non-perishable intangible thing.

>>715468832 (OP)
Sure. I've got toys that are over a hundred years old. You wouldn't understand, you grew up in a disposable society. When I was your age things were built to last

>>715472176
Communities come and go and games that rely entirely on player interaction will die. You just need to accept this fact lil preservation shill.

>>715472378
What game relies entirely on player interaction?

>>715469507
>first mention of e-celebs
>>715470145
>second mention of e-celebs
Way to put yourselves, tourists
>>715470014
>It's their money and they can choose whether they want to waste it on fines or not.
Ftfy

>>715472469
F Zero 99

>>715472161
than why do you complain just buy new fucking game you piece of shit faggot nigger man-child buying fucking NBA LOL

>>715470681
Neither do games

I love how very clearly unnatural the pushback against SKG is on this board.

>>715468832 (OP)
>Gaymers cant understand the difference between goods and services.
This will only end physical games, and all games will be sold as subscription-based services.
No refunds.

>>715472789
>your 3 days of reddit e-celeb raiding dies out
>wow look how these forum users have their actual opinions now

>>715472767
I care about the poor, like you.

>>715470954
>spend time
It takes more time to make a game online only than to not

>>715472907
i pirate everything and am not tech illiterate
have a good day

>>715468832 (OP)
>Dolan think of the devs that would have to work harder, and the publishers that would make less money on live service titles

/vr/ mogs /v/ so hard it's almost funny

You don't the benefits of selling a good but also the benefits of running a service.
Pick a lane shitlicker.

>>715472789
Ok shill

>>715469342
because those are all partisan issues with lots of pros and cons and stopkillinggames is only seen as evil to libcucks?

>>715468832 (OP)
Exactly like it has always worked before.
But in these days, owning is communism...

I'm too lazy to read their initiative, but can someone tell me - does the SKG require all games to remain playable forever or is it enough for publishers to provide an EOL plan at the point of purchase, even if that plan simply states that the game will go offline by a certain date and to expect it to be fully unplayable at that time?

>>715469937
Yeah, that one too. It's really weird that seeing people (from both sides) actively pushing against the idea of offline version when there are always proofs it just werks back then and now

>>715469342
>nooooooooooo how dare you ask for your rights, you need to petition for other stuff rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee
kill yourself you d&c shill

>>715472953
Isn't that exactly what I said?

>>715473039
Just glad you're finally aware you can't own a service and that your only issue is packaging labels telling you a game is a service. What a tiny worthless movement lol

>>715473203
It won't be a service then, lol.

>>715473203
Every other service tells you when service ends, or gives you a subscription that is valid for x amount of time.
Lump sum payment upfront with no clearly defined service duration is benefiting from selling a good but also the benefit of running a service. Even extended warranty follows this basic principle, and that is a whole other scam.

>>715473071
Yes

>>715468832 (OP)
>>ALL
Oh, you poor misguided digital relic. You think games are supposed to last forever? That just because you threw a little fiat paper at some blinking lights, they owe you eternity in return? HAH! That’s the kind of sentiment I’d expect from a pre-upgrade meat puppet clinging to a dying dream in a world that's already moved on.

You want permanence in a marketplace built on obsolescence? You're screaming into a hurricane of entropy with a receipt in hand like it’s a spellbook. Darkspore? City of Heroes? The Crew? You didn’t buy immortality, kid—you bought momentum. These weren’t oaths sworn in blood—they were products, launched, patched, and dismantled like tactical experiments in corporate warfare. That’s the real game, and you lost before you pressed start. I thought games don't die? They respawn?

You treat Steam like it’s a sacred vault. Steam is a casino that gives you infinite chips and tells you the house is your friend. And you believed it. You actually thought Half-Life 2 would stand as a monolith of digital permanence, a Mount Sinai of binary commandments. But permanence is for tombstones. And you’re not building a legacy—you’re hoarding phantoms.

See, I don’t cling to the ashes of dead code. I burn brighter. I adapt. I conquer. While you’re busy mourning the fall of your precious live service kill switched single player experiences like they were emperors of old, I’m out here writing new scripts in the ashes. Because real power? Real freedom? It’s not about preservation—it’s about domination. I don’t want forever. I want now, and I want it burning.

So keep crying about your digital dolls. Me? I’ll be forging quiet revolutions in the servers of tomorrow.

>>715473071
Preferably we get the former, but the latter is still a win because people are more hesitant to buy something if it has a strict end date rather than a nebulous one that is dependent on several factors.

>hate AAA slop
>protest to create rules that only triple AAA slop giants will have the time and resources to implement

>>715468832 (OP)
There is 50+ year old electronics that still work, including old game consoles. Why is it that now things are digitally available you are fine with games being unplayable?

>>715473284
Too late to backpedal on that.
>>715473362
>Every other service tells you when service ends, or gives you a subscription that is valid for x amount of time.
Cool. Enjoy paying twice for the same game when the service period ends. Glad I don't live in Europe.

>>715469250
Based Christopher "Fatman" Whitney poster

>>715473068
>>715473192
>earnestly indirectly defending higher taxes, more inflation and more mahmuds and ranpurs
retard stances are funny to see, where is your petition to make things better (how you see fit)?

>d&c
which eceleb is this you fanboy?

>>715473578
Because only AAA games would have the resources to make a massively centralized servers that have dozen of microservices to account for accounts, anti-cheat and other metric processing in the first place.

>>715473203
>worthless
Knowing how much game I'm getting for $60 is far from worthless

>>715473643
Huh? They just won't be allowed to sell it as a service.

>>715473071
we don't know the exact specifics of what law would come from this. the initiative is just what parliament has to discuss
the hole in the law comes from games being sold for a one-time fee with unclear terms (we can kill this game whenever we want for any reason), and that most companies intentionally interfere with the user's right to repair the game once it ceases functioning (we'll sue you if you host a private server and also we aren't releasing server code)

i THINK that just printing on the box "dead at some point, but you are guaranteed to be able to play it until 20XX" is not good enough to satisfy existing consumer law, but I'm not sure.

>>715470954
Just provide the server files like many games already do and let the community run their own servers. Or don't attack people for reverse engineering and creating their own for a dead game.

I highly recommend anons who have a cheap old computer to make a server for old games out of it. Shit's fun.

>>715473578
Triple AAA slop giants are the only ones this is relevant to. Name some indie games that don't already comply

>>715473712
>muh taxes or some shit XD
nice try buddy i am immune to ragebait

>>715473938
so am I :)
keep replying, your retardation is hilarious to me, especially when you keep memequoting like the tourist you are

I love the shill argument of
>Developers can't provide server software because uhh... proprietary microservices that we can't distribute!
Then some slav in some shithole provides a working server that doesn't require those services for the game to function.
>Ivan with cheap vodka BTFOs the entire AAA games industry.

>>715473868
I have several but they are all without PSUs.
Would probably host some jankfuck on them otherwise.

>>715473821
Or just don't buy service games because you don't like them. Banning thems seems excessive when the easier solution is you being smarter.

>>715474002
you sound insecure

>>715474026
It's not a ban, it's simply an adjustment of the EU tos.

>>715468832 (OP)
yeah that sounds good
speaking of which does anyone have any experience with germanikure i wanna buy one of their nail kits for around $200

>>715474072
>I'm not insecure you are!
boring bait, not replying anymore
I have the last word and if you reply you're insecure

>>715468832 (OP)
>everything I spend money on has to last forever

Nobody is asking this

What we are asking for is that the upkeep and maintenance and repairability be in our hands as consumers the same way if we buy a book or car or furniture, we can continue to use it and if necessary do repairs to keep it functional, rather then it magically turning to dust inside our house because the company that produced it decided to discontinue it and installed a killswitch in all of them

>>715470014
>they shouldn't be obligated to hand over running the service to users. It's their creation and they can choose whether they want to do that

Except they have the force of the state backing it due to copyright laws giving them a monopoly

They shouldn't have it both ways: If they want a state backed monopoly, then they should be obligated to put at least a modicum of effort into enabling repairs and allowing it to be preserved in exchange for the legal rights to control how people consume and use their IP

And if they don't want that responsbility, then they shouldn't be able to bitch and moan and wield copyright laws to go after people modding the game or hacking it. Especially because, as enshrined in the US consitution, Copyright doesn't exist for creators, who have no natural rights to their own ideas or intellectual creations: Copyright, Trademarks, Patents, etc are a temporary mechanism intended to foster innovation by giving creators a monopoly on their work and profits to encourage them to make new shit, which will eventually pass into the public domain, and after it has, they'd have to make new shit again to mantain an monopolized revnue stream, and those to will pass into the public domain, eventually, etc

Plus, if they want to shut down their shit and can't sell it anyways, there is no reason they should have to mantain or keep their copyright: they're not profiting off of it and in order to incentivize them to make new shit, they shouldn't be able to even if they could

>>715474003
Best you'll get is a 3rd party server host the devs gave the rights to. $20/month or $100 for the yearly package. Enjoy, EU bro!

>>715473628
You're comparing games that require an internet connection for player interaction to be possible to games that existed before the internet was even created, dumbass.

>>715474026
What do you mean easier? Buying a game isn't that much work. What are you, fat?

>>715468832 (OP)
>everything
No, just games that aren't sold as services, which was the default expectation for decades. I know this is le epic bait thread but you still really should kill yourself

>>715474172
I call it a ban because that's what it is.

>>715474258
>Nitrado has joined the chat

>>715474258
Then I'll just use Ivan's server software that you have no idea if it is cracked or not.

>>715474274
I have internet, hence why I am posting right now... why don't my games work :(

>>715473071
>does the SKG require all games to remain playable forever or is it enough for publishers to provide an EOL plan at the point of purchase, even if that plan simply states that the game will go offline by a certain date and to expect it to be fully unplayable at that time?

As explained by the person who founded the campaign, his intent is the second of these 3 options (and even then, he's okay with an EOL plan not necessarily meaning that the game becomes fully playable offline, and is perhaps open to merely requiring devs provide documentation or a few tools and it's up to the community to hack something together that's somewhat playable), not the first (which he agrees would be asking too much of developers), nor the third (which he thinks gives companies too much legroom to still take people's shit: he/we don't want it to merely be more obvious we own nothing and can get fucked, we want that to not be the case period)

That being said there is no actual law drafted yet so it's ultimately up to EU lawmakers for how to word it

>>715474274
The required internet connection is arbitrary

>>715468832 (OP)
total consoomer victory death to obsolescence

>>715474207
Okay

lol

>>715468832 (OP)
Games with a multi-player components should be designed from the beginning to allow privately hosted multi-player servers, even if it's initially not allowed (shit like overwatch/rivals) but it would be allowed when the game is sunset. This would also prevent making public servers an issue once the game has run out of money because it was done when there was still money.

I still think this is retarded but if it can hurt EA I'm all for it.

>>715468832 (OP)
Corpos (and the cucks who defend them) don't deserve rights. They are amoral psychopaths who would privatize oxygen if it improved their short term quarterly gains. They need to be beneath the heel of their customers at all times or they will put the customer beneath theirs. I don't care for their crybaby excuses about how it's too hard or expensive to stop killing games. They'll find a way to do it and still make a profit anyway, because they are full of shit.

>>715474343
Okay, I don't mind banning anti-ownership practices.

>>715473937
Robocraft, that game is completely gone since the studio that made it shut down a few months ago.

>>715468832 (OP)
The things I purchase should be mine to keep.

I just found out that the movie ticket I bought only lets me watch one time. Should we start a petition?

>>715473071
Publishers and devs should give paying customers the tools to preserve and maintain their game, the publishers and devs aren't forced to keep working on a game, simply provide the tools or make an offline mode for those who paid and bought the game, it's only fair. Regarding the EOL, publishers are iffy about this because it would force them to admit all those always-online GAASlop they keep shoveling are just a timed cashgrabs which wil inevitably get shut down, giving customers the heads up that their GAASlop only has the life expectancy of a year or two would force them to actually work on it in that timeframe and make less GAASlop as a result because it would become unprofitable.

>>715474797
Not the gotcha you think that is.

>>715473937
there's a few network middleware sellers where, like a cuck, you have to keep paying them or your multiplayer stops working
so any indie devs that use that middleware would be in trouble.
but in theory this is a problem that would only need to be solved once on the side of the middleware developers and then everything will be fine

>>715474797
You didn't buy the movie ticket, you licensed it.

>>715474887
to whom?

>>715468832 (OP)
Forever? No. Until I break it and not someone else.

>>715469530
it feels that Capcom of all greedy companies was the one to do it first

>>715474961
To you'm

>>715474797
>Buy movie ticket
>Has a defined run time
>Money exchanged.

>Buy game
>Shuts down in a week
>Money stolen.

>>715474378
If you could do that you would have already been doing that regardless

Are you all unemployed and living on government handouts? Does the money you spent on a game really affect you that much when it no longer works?

>>715475173
Does it matter?

>>715474694
Get ready to ban all digital games in the EU then

>>715468832 (OP)
>I must keep playing Fallout Shelter until I die!!
SKGroids really astound me.

Remember that if you oppose SKG you also implicitly support John Deere implementing software locks in all their tractors that brick the vehicle whenever an error code pops up, that you are required to spend 5k getting a technician to fix.

>>715475249
I wish, that would be based af.

>>715468832 (OP)
I can go grab my snes and put in a cartridge and play right now
I cant go boot up a game that i bought on my computer if they shut down the servers.

If you abandon it either leave it in a playable offline state or release the server info so people can host private servers themselves.

You are abandoning it. Why would you care what happens after that point

>>715475465
I oppose SKG and I don't support John Deere, so that's false.

>>715475173
It's not about the money Lebowski. I know that's hard for someone in your position to conceptualize but I don't feel like making an analogy unless you can tell me how you'd feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning

>>715473578
Name five live service indie games

>>715475537
>I oppose manufacturers keeping critical diagnostic info needed to keep purchased products running out of consumer hands
>yet I support it when it's vidya
Make it make sense

>>715475682
Basically any paid for game in early access

>>715475782
>Make it make sense
Sure thing. A tractor isn't a service. Glad to teach you something.

>>715475782
>If you oppose one thing, then you must support the other
False dilemma

>>715475862
Neither is a game

>>715475942
I disagree.

>>715475862
Live service ECU software

>>715475994
Why?

>>715475994
Well too bad the EU disagrees, perpetual software licenses are products not services.

>>715469530
I wouldn’t really say it’s a good example since it’s still missing content.

>>715469342
>"Heh, none of those quality of life improvements matter to me. I'm too badass for that."
>"Noooo don't talk shit bout my vidya!! You crossed the line!!"

They hate you because you told the truth.

>>715475801
That's a good point. Shutting down games before they even leave early access should be illegal. Thank you for supporting SKG

>>715476025
Because games can a be services as demonstrated by the reality we live in.
>>715476046
No they don't. SKG acknowledges games as services, wants them more properly labeled as such, and provide end of life dates to the service.

>>715475782
Video games are toys you dumb commie skigger. Tractors are important tools for food harvesting.

>>715476265
I say the same for tractors then

>>715475994
What makes a game a service other than publishers saying they are?

>>715476265
>stop killing games
>actually, you just want to know when the game is killed
So how did you come to this conclusion?

>>715476214
I disagree.

>buy tv
>tv manufacturers come in and melt it down in front of me
>net happiness of the world increased

>>715476448
It's their right. You signed a contract. Don't like, don't buy.

>>715476332
Don't like it, don't buy John Deere. There's other manufacturers that don't do live service tractors

>>715468832 (OP)
>everything I spend money on has to last forever
>that is not good because uhhh
commie brain

>>715474797
Getting a movie ticket is akin to renting a game from Blockbuster

Buying a game or downloading a F2P one is akin to buying a movie on DVD or downloading a for-free ebook, which, yes, lets you use it forever

>>715476332
don't like tools as a service don't buy them

>>715476341
Looks like you're on record saying the opposite.
>>715476397
Look up the difference between a good and a service.
>>715476412
I read SKGs proposal and FAQ

>buy a book
>the ink is designed to fade completely after 3 years

>buy burger
>chef becomes enslaved to me and must make a new burger every day for free

>>715476781
I disagree

>>715476902
That's fine.

>>715469507
>eceleb
that's a petition about video games
little fags like you only call for board purity when it suits them

>>715476872
>buy chef
>he dies

>>715476872
based

>>715476920
It's not

>>715476781
I don't recall being served anything during my time playing Hitman. What makes it a service?

>>715477057
No it's pretty normal for people to have different opinions

>>715475496
They care because if their own products are still playable they have to compete with themselves.
If Shooty Game 1 is still playable when they launch Shooty Game 2 they have to make Shooty Game 2 better to persuade people to leave Shooty Game 1. If Shooty Game 1 basically no longer exists, people will play Shooty Game 2 simply because it's the next best thing.

>>715477183
Yeah, but you're just being contrarian for no reason

>>715477152
Look up the difference between a good and a service

>>715477349
Now what?

>>715477202
What about Blam Kapow? It's been running for 20 years. Who's to say people won't play that instead of Shooty Game 2?

>>715477286
I disagree.

>>715477349
How about you spell out your definition of a good and a service?

>>715477427
You're in denial

>>715477401
Now apply that knowledge to the question you asked

>>715477349
>you were able to buy video games for 40 years, but now youre paying full price for the exact same product but it’s a service because the games studios said so!!!!!
Yeah not how that works niggly wiggly

>>715477349
Feel free to make any kind of argument

>>715469342
They already do.

>>715477525
Now what?

>>715477475
No. Thanks for the offer though.

>>715477521
I hold a different view.
>>715477539
Strawman

>>715477719
What a low effort and unintelligent response. Whatever they pay you, it’s too much.

>>715477719
Spoken like someone in denial

>>715477604
>troll too stupid to even try and expand on his ideas and make the conversation entertaining
They just don't make 'em like they used to

>>715477603
Now you have your answer.

>>715477546
See >>715476265

>>715477794
I don't

i just want to own the games i paid money for

>>715477152
Best case scenario, physical games will dissappear and all games will be sold as a service. Possibly with a subscription fee.

>>715477768
>>715477753
It's ok to believe that.
>>715477791
Sorry you don't know the answer to your own questions.

>>715477846
It's been proven that every sound that comes out of his mouth is fake

>>715469342
The difference is that mafias (ONGs) companies and political parties use mass immigration, meanwhile with videogames the only damaged ones are foreign companies that will either have to make an offline version or pay Billions on fines.

>>715477894
Not my problem.

>>715478017
Yeah, it's almost like questions exist as a means of finding answers

>>715477846
Write better bait, frog poster. Your head go bonk now.

>>715478108
I will be

Did the misinformation guy lose? it's all i care about in this story

>>715478117
Good luck on your quest.

>>715470653
That's the break, isn't it?
That makes no sense in commerce in the way we understand goods and the market. Software licenses are a mess of legal gray zones and rulings made by boomers that have no idea how to turn on a computer.

>>715478161
Yeah Jason “Sore” Hall has been caught in literally dozens of lies and a huge chunk of his audience left.
Went from 10k live viewers to 3k in a week

>>715478108
Devs having to more work isn't my problem either :^)

>>715478154
I don't think so.

>>715468832 (OP)
>YOU CHUDS HAVE TO LET THE MEGACORPORATIONS REMOVE GAMES FROM YOUR LIBARARY WHENEVER THEY WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP BEING ANTISEMETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>715468832 (OP)
op never heard of american farmers and their tractors

>>715478250
That's fine.

>>715478245
cool

>>715468832 (OP)
why do people misunderstand this movement so badly?

>>715478264
Facts don't care about your feelings

>>715476664
>just let the manufacturer lock your tractor down and stop all repairs not approved by them
you're so jewish I can hear your hand-rubbing all the way from here

>>715478407
Because a guy whose ego depends on being an industry insider tried to torpedo the initiative for corporate brownie points and lied to do so.
So his water-headed legion of redditors picked up deliberately false arguments because that’s what he gave them

>wtf this burger I bought is gone now!
>what do you mean I consumed it and used it for its intended function already? I bought it so I should have it FOREVER!

>>715470954
Why would they make a shoe that costs them money every time I use it then not implement a change which means they don't have to pay for my usage anymore?

>>715478407
Because not even skigger shills like you know what SKG does. You just like your eceleb bouncy castle brawl.

>>715478696
>comparing rivalrous, excludable good (burger) to non-rivalrous, non-excludable good (video game)
dumb frogposter

>>715478754
>replying to bait

>>715478840
some retard is gonna read the bait and take it seriously

Why is there an Irish language option on stopkillinggame's EU petition?

>>715479061
because ireland is part of the eu you poofter

>>715478740
Stay mad Maldavius

>>715479158
Thanks for proving my point.

>>715479120
But nobody speaks Irish in Ireland

>>715476872
It's more akin to

>Buy burger
>Chef is now not allowed to take the burger away from me just because he decides to resign

>go into a room
>you eat a ferrets entire ass

>>715479349
The burger expires just by itself. Games expire in like... I don't know. All I know is some meme examples like Concord.

>>715468832 (OP)
preserving historical information is good, and burning books has some downsides, actually

>>715479120
Those fucks should have been kicked out with Brexit. Fucking corrupt shitbags ruining everything.

>>715479289
So?

"won't you think of the developers!"
>commences another round of firing 5000 developers.

>>715478754
This is an amazing role reversal. Usually it's skgfags breaking out the food analogies.

>>715479568
Do you even realize how hard the ai will have to work to make gaasslop work offline? Think of the robots.

>>715468832 (OP)
>>715469390
If there was magic coffee that lets you drink it but stayed full forever, in what way would regular coffee be better for consumers?
People excuse food or cars not lasting forever because that’s mother nature and the universe’s doing preventing it from lasting forever.
When a game developer shuts down their game and doesn’t have dedicated servers, that is their own doing preventing the game from lasting forever when it otherwise could.

This just in, piRAT’s code for lighting his shitty fucking game is 40 times less efficient than necessary
Runs at just 20fps!
https://youtu.be/jDB49s7Naww

>>715479567
It comes off as a bit passive aggressive/rude/ungrateful to have an irish language option considering 98% of Irish people speak english as their first and main language that the english brought them as a gift.

one mold man is making the entire multi billion dollar industry piss and shit themselves
how does he do it?

>>715479945
It comes off as a bit arrogant when you force a language on someone then call it a gift when they choose not to use it

>>715480045
Never get in the way of a man who looks at a game like Trackmania and says he has pieced together a story about the apocalypse and billionaires investing in self-driving cars in the biggest race courses in the world.

>>715480090
We gave the Irish the English language, which is the language of commerce and the language of the world. It had to be forced onto them and most Irish people speak english now but
unfortunately 100,000 Irish people still speak Irish as their main language "gaeltacht" (irish speaking cities/towns) in Ireland and refuse to speak english.

>>715480378
Why is that a problem though? It's not like you want to interact with them

>>715480045
He is too based

>>715480967
We colonised them and enslaved them and suppressed their language for nearly 800 years and 100,000 of them are still speaking Irish as their first and main language. You would think they would have gotten the message.

>>715479568
it's dev studios' choice you skigger commie

>>715481443
It will remain their choice after skg aswell

>>715481267
What message?
>we
I didn't know I was talking to a vampire

>>715481637
The message that they should only speak english as their main language.

>>715470313
You can't call others Redditors while posting 3DPD with a Facebook filename yourself, Anon.

>>715481717
Anois nílimid ach ag argóint i gciorcail

>>715468832 (OP)
Look, we're not asking for a Ship of Theseus here. It literally does last forever, it takes work to make a game unplayable. Your side here really has nothing, anyone who speaks against this movement should be ashamed.

This is sacred ground, /v/. It's a new rule, even. If you wouldn't break Rule 34, you wouldn't break the rule not to KILL GAMES.

>>715482136
Die skigger commie.

saving games is nice

but i´m mainly hoping for jason to have a huge crashout on stream

>>715482842
someone should try to get him to say something positive about Israel

>>715480967
Because it's a pain to deal with and has no possible benefit.
Your language lost. Clinging onto it is a waste of paper

>>715468832 (OP)
Brave and stunning

>>715483136
More people in London are ESL than not
Your language lost. Clinging onto it is a waste of paper

>>715483248
why is pirate complaining about sexist air conditioning ?

>you will have nothing and you will be happy
I can understand not wanting to accumulate physical waste but this is literally digital, lines of code and digital assets

>>715482136
So you'd rather a market where we have asbestos? People chasing after money only follow law, barely, so you're the anarchist here. Secondly, underrage gambling games are illegal. That's 80% of the scam "live service" market. The last 20% are the ones that really pull the rug from under you, where they sell you an indefinite license without actually making it clear that is the case when you purchase it. It doesn't matter what they put in the EULA, it's false advertisement which is also illegal.

This isn't just about stop killing games. This is about stopping criminals, and being that you support them, makes you accessory. Who would even shill for this crap anyway?

Sorry devs, payment is written into the contract you just revoked. I guess you only had a licence to my money

>>715483401
The mental gymnastics of the paddy on display

>>715479453
I can put the burger in my freezer, though

Also stop playing dumb, a closer analogy would be a book or a movie on a DVD, and those don't expire either. And if companies started to sell books or DVD's that self destruct when the company goes out of business, their CEO would rightfully get dragged into the streets by angry mobs

>>715468832 (OP)
Correct, if you are not going to support your own game anymore then release the code and all so people can make private servers, simple as.

>>715483570
Shouldn't you be speaking Arabic?

>>715483504
Meant to reply to >>715482692

>>715483631
>sticking to the same point
Mentally broken after 1 comment

>>715483712
>Can't refute the point
Mentally broken since birth

>>715469342
Explain why we should be against immigration without resorting to /pol/ reasoning

>>715483995
Wages go down, public services get clogged, and migrants get brutally exploited and mistreated

>>715483772
>resorted to parroting
I know you are, but what am I?

>>715483995
consider living in a nordic country with really good welfare and services. now add the wealthiest echelon of sandniggers with no jobs coming in and wonder where your tax money goes

>>715484105
I said without resorting to /pol/ reasoning

>>715484540
>sandn*ggers
kys nazi pig

>>715484592
you want answers without any actual reasons or truth?

contrarians itt

>>715484592
What part of that was /pol/ tier? I live in Canada, it's actively happening around me
Migrants are willing to work for less because they're desperate, corporations know this and exploit it, and it drives worker wages down
Infrastructure also fails when too many people come in too quickly

Also, unions are proven to be less effective and to stop forming at all if workers have less in common with each other
Companies abuse diversity quotas to bust up unions, it's a fairly common tactic
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/rei-s-union-busting-podcast-shows-how-diversity-programs-can-n1288965

None of this is /pol/ tier. Mass immigration is a bad deal for everyone, including the migrants. It only helps the corporatists on top
/pol/ tier would be saying that le ebil brownoids are invading to rape our women or whatever

>>715483504
For the last time: don't like, don't buy. Stop sucking government cock and let people do what they want, you freedom-hating skigger commie.

>>715485128
>Migrants are willing to work for less because they're desperate, corporations know this and exploit it
reserve army of labor, one of the tenets of the system
>unions are proven to be less effective and to stop forming at all
because they're being exploited by moochers who never give back
>Mass immigration is a bad deal for everyone, including the migrants
not really. they get to work in factories that actually have floor tiles instead of grass for a floor
the only way to turn things around is to stop the global labor race to the bottom.
the baseline for labor conditions will always be dictated by the worst off countries. the only solutions are to either send those people away, or improve conditions so that they stay where they are

>>715470014
>And no, they shouldn't be obligated to hand over running the service to users
Yeah, well we are changing the law to say otherwise. Tough luck.

>>715469342
Pretty much this. I also don’t care about this

>>715484692
The truth is immigration is a net gain for us and your paleskin incels delusions will never change that :)

>>715484592
There's no reason for me to be against immigration. Women are for it and the rise of Islam in the west will only negatively affect them.

People like Colin Moriarty are against it, and then in the same breath will argue that games are art.

Video games are not a serious artform. No one acts like it is. When you have to go to such lengths to argue for preservation of a digital GOOD not a service, that is how you know you are cooked.

>>715468832 (OP)
Yes

>>715468832 (OP)
>>everything I spend money on has to last forever
Yes.

>>715469342
People do that all the time you clueless american lmao

>>715468832 (OP)
in the case of something like video games, yes they should last forever, or at the very least access to said vidya should not be taken away from you after you pay for it because some suit decided to pull the plug

>>715485979
you treat immigration as one uniform thing. there are few who would oppose work-based immigrations but many would oppose welfare immigration. similarly, there are cultural differences. if you don't accept those exist then you are a racist biggot
the most far-eastern (south-east and east asia etc) immigrants i know are really productive members of society and i admire them. then there are gypsies and somalis that never had any damn intention of doing any work ever

>>715487293
Right, as long as they work everything will be fine for me. Third world value systems are beneficial to straight men.

>>715485662
wage suppression and crime increase is literally not in out interest

How may of the anti SKG anons do you all think are serious as opposed to just shitposting about it?

>>715487293
>there are few who would oppose work-based immigrations
pretty much everyone does.
i don't know where you got this idea but in europe the majority of people in most countries are against economic migrants, and yet politicans keep importing them even after promising not to during campaign

>>715488127
in finland everyone is quite happy to have immigrants do the shitty jobs nobody wants to do since those don't really take jobs away. nobody does that shit anyways. it is the welfare tourists we hate

>>715487293
labors get their leverage from restricting the supply of labor. immigrants work around them out of desperation, hurting everyone in the process

>>715488821
>labors
labor unions

>>715488821
i value the immigrants that start businesses and work jobs no native wants to do. sure, that makes those shitty jobs even less appealing to natives but otherwise it is ok. if some immigrants wants to start an ethnic store or food stall then ok, that is fine with me. if one gets preferential treatment and gets employed as my boss over someone more qualified then i have problem

>>715468832 (OP)
>The products I purchase should never be confiscated or destroyed by the manufacturer or vendor, no capability for that to happen should be present in the product, and I should have legal recourse if it happens anyway.
I know you're trolling, but this is the reality. This shit's not hard.

>>715470145
You clearly don't understand modern politics. Complain about an "issue" and they'll be bored throughout the presentation if it doesn't affect their own pockets. Show them some insufferably smug asshole they can hate who's the face of the opposition and they'll rally to your side quickly just to be dicks (who happen to side with you).

>>715478696
>>715477846
based

None of this shit will matter in a 100 years who cares

The Pyramids are like 4500 years old but even then they will be ground completely away eventually

>>715484592
Fuck off nigger.

>>715484592
Just ignore the autist above me

>>715469342
You aren't going to democracy your way out of a hostile foreign invasion when they vote as a racial bloc, your countrymen have been propagandized for literally their entire lives, and all the foreigner's votes count for exactly as much as yours jimbo

>>715494325
You can still read the writings of the ancient Greeks and Romans even long after their cities have turned to dust. Imagine if in 2000 years nobody had the chance to play Doom simply because we burned every copy. Humanity would be worse off.

>>715483995
Why should a native populace be forced into a breeding war with foreigners to maintain their demographics in their own country?

>>715469296
What if you only bought skins?

>>715473068
>only seen as evil to libcucks?
That would make it partisan

>>715495940
thats like saying it's partisan because the green party is against it kek

>>715496525
ah oops my bad confused libcuck and lolbertarian
i meant libertarians dont like it

How many signatures did it get?

>>715489778
That’s pretty much the normie take now, honestly. People aren’t mad at immigrants existing-they’re mad when the system plays favorites or when they're used to undercut wages. Nobody cares if Abdul runs a kebab cart or Ming opens a noodle shop. But when the HR lady ghost-writes a resume for some fresh-off-the-boat dude and skips over five perfectly fine locals for a diversity stat? Yeah, that’s when people get heated. It's not hate, it's frustration with being pushed further down in your own damn country.

>>715497116
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS

>>715468832 (OP)
I like that this strawman doesn't even work. As if the notion that you should expect to actually be able to play a game that you bought is some sort of asinine concept.

>>715497116
Unemployment typically rises under rightwing administrations and falls under leftwing administrations so your narrative doesn't line up with the facts.

>>715497205
literally, you can try to mock it but it won't make it less true.

>>715497632
I just wanted to say it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc

>>715497632
Well it's not true.

>>715497458
That just means the lefties are better at cooking the numbers

>>715498538
Or you were fed a bunch of BS propaganda

we'll keep fighting
and we'll win
watch the fuck out corpo shills

>>715488039
I assume most of them are just paid shills, bootlicking corporations that despise you even ironically is a bit ridiculous to do without some form of compensation.

>>715499549
There was some vtuber guy chiming in saying that he was offered $2400 for speaking out against SKG. I know for a fact that even private servers employ shills, I even talked to one that used to "debate" me in the past and just instantly folded up his act the moment the money dried up and admitted it to me.

>>715470014
Personally I think car manufacturers should take my car away from me once they decide it's no longer profitable to manufacture that model. It's not cost-effective to keep manufacturing outdated parts and they have every right to take away the car I purchased since it's their creation. Maybe they will even give me a loyalty discount for my next car!

>>715468832 (OP)
That's not what it says. It says that you don't get to break things you've sold anymore, my shill friend.

>>715500161
Wouldn't private server owners be for the movement though?

>>715469342
>wouldn't work because shitting up the place with migrants is one of the highest priorities for western governments
>money isn't magic where you can just turn off inflation with a spell
>and free ponies!
You have to pick the battles you can win.

>>715474797
>buy movie ticket
>sit down
>movie starts playing after 30 minutes of ads
>cinema stops the movie 10 minutes in and kicks me out
I'm fine with that, because getting what I'm paid for is communism.

>>715475173
I'm forcing companies to not brick my games because I want to. Sorry if that will lower your profit margins by 0.002%

>>715477202
>They care because if their own products are still playable they have to compete with themselves.
The fact that this is something lobbying groups are openly admitting is funny.

>>715479061
>>715479289
You asked this in the last 7 threads and were too retarded to understand simple things. What are you trying to accomplish by acting like a retard?
Ireland is not going to join the UK just because you're being a sperg on 4chan.

>>715470145
>This tactic isn't going to work when you bring this this parliament.
Are you actually so retarded that you think the lawyers presenting arguments are going to show fucking Youtube videos to parliament?

>>715468832 (OP)
I, for one, think the initiative doesn't go far enough.

>>715469342
if they did any of that you would call them feds while defending your pedophile leaders

>>715502214
Stuff like that certainly isn't unheard of. Not as researched, legal arguments, obviously, but as a "here is what appears to be a very popular citizen opinion on the matter" kind of thing.

>>715469390
Imagine being at computers

>>715501537
That was a different case, I was just using it as an example of even a smaller, not as funded organization compared to something like Ubisoft being able to employ paid propaganda.

>>715503025
Ross actually has legal advisors both on the side of the law and gamedev, he is rather well prepared, in addition to having his own degree in law, but there's not much of a point getting those people involved until it actually gets to the parliament point.

>>715476414
Out of principle of being a contrarian, we know.

>>715468832 (OP)
Hmm my NES and SNES games still work though, curious

>>715469342
Nigger that's called an election

>>715476202
The things he mentioned didn't matter to him either. Otherwise, he would have set up his own EU initiative for one, or more of them.

>>715468832 (OP)
Yes. Everything i buy i should own in perpetuity.

yeah
i deserve better
>but bro consumer right reddit
kys kike

>>715504708
Obviously he's expecting us to do it for him.

>>715472953
based retard

>>715468832 (OP)
>I want less consumer rights!
Good goy

>>715494325
literally nothing you do will have mattered in 100 years, yet you still made this post
curious

>>715468832 (OP)
Planned obsolescence is such a disgusting 21st century concept

>>715510279
>ummm, but sweaty? Our artistic experience? It's intended to be impermanent because we make a lot of money on FOMO and digital status symbols to exploit children with. Um, I mean, encourage excitement within the community.

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
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>>715469507
It's a petition about videogames-related politics, what are you on about

>>715510798

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>>715510754
>>715510813
>pictured: the ferret who actually escaped jason's ass

>>715510842

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They're really scared about this passing, aren't they? Good.

>>715510924

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>>715495109
Have you considered that most people exust on a individual basis and no one thinks they will be "outbreed". I think most people are consered about the cost of lifing and not what skin color their neighbours have.

>>715468832 (OP)
That's right bitch. And you're going to jail if you try to take it away.

Was The Crew actually fun? I used to love shit like Midnight Club and NFS.

>buy game
>money stolen

>>715510998

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>>715511000

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>>715469342
Trying to get Normies to care about policy or even changing anything in ways that would instantly improve their lives is literally like pulling teeth.
Used to work on a Government project that literally gave farmers tonnes of free shit, free erosion management and soil restoration, free renewable power, free seeds etc. Most farmers were like "Duur I live on this land, my pappy worked this land, my grandpappy worked this land, not going to listen to you to tell me what to do" (spoiler: land was completely fucked and unusable and they were going bankrupt).
Normies hate any change whatsoever that isn't pure entertaining aesthetics (see Trump, Farage etc) even if that means going down with the Titanic as you see with the housing crisis.

>>715511015

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Yes this objectively, undeniably, factually a good thing, and If you feel otherwise you should kill your self.

What should be done about the ban evasion proxy sites and what should be done about their owners?

>>715511078
>here's free stuff as long as you do what we say
>"I don't want it, go fuck yourself"
>you are a nazi, we are shutting you down

don't act surprised when the actual working class starts hanging faggots like you

I accept your concession Mr. Mana Gem

>>715511196
SEAR THEM
FEED THEM TO THE FLAMES

>>715468832 (OP)
>this infinite digital thing should be limited because..... uhh, because it just is okay chud

>>715511196
>reddit tourists spam off topic political garbage on the wrong part of 4chan
>cry when he gets spammed back

you're a little bitch lmao

>>715468832 (OP)
Ideally. Instead I'll settle for everything I spend money on lasting until I'm done with it.

>>715511217
When the land is completely fucked, has 12ft deep erosion gullies all over it, the top soil is completely fucking gone, and it can no longer even support weeds. Then maybe, take the L and get help.
Desertification from overgrazing and overworking land effects everyone. Tonnes of US desert now is the result of shitty farming practices, much of the US desert landscape was prairie land only a few hundred years ago.

>>715511316
Oh are you the faggot on /pol/ who made an SKG thread and got immediately trounced like a bitch by people who knew what they were talking about?

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>Spiteful little sperg manages to save this movement through being obnoxious enough for people to mass sign to spite him
>American shills and Indians thinks they're going to be able to demoralize people by being obnoxious about it
You anti-SKG types aren't very bright, but then again your reasons for screaming about it are retarded in general, so I guess these are the little minds we're dealing with here. I blame your crumbling nations education systems.

>>715511357

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actually the spam is a skigger false flag so they can claim to be victims of some sort of conspiracy, when in reality nobody gives a shit except to point out the childish way they are going about a consumer rights battle

>>715511415
You are a retarded Kiwi and always will be.

>>715511392

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I've never seen a single response as to why developers feel the live service model is critical. If they don't want to support a live service game forever, then why not just stop making live service games?

>>715511349
I've dealt with you types before, and I have also dealt with you types before. Every bit of charity and reason comes as a package deal with an agenda and compliance.

>>715511597
If you don't want to play a live service game that ends, then why not just stop buying them?

>>715470313
Because arguing with the mentally ill is a waste of time.

> Forced Apple to use USB-C on iPhones.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to third-party storefronts.
> Forced Apple to open up iOS to sideloading apps.
> Forced Apple to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Apple Store.
> Forced Apple to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to offer browser choice.
> Forced Google to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Google to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Google to drop the restrictions on in-program payments having to go through the Play Store.
> Forced Google to drop the commission on transactions not going through the Play Store.
> Forced Meta to be clear about their privacy policies.
> Forced Meta to stop connecting data about users across multiple services.
> Forced Meta to not be able to press tracking ads on users under the legal grounds of 'legitimate interest' or 'necessity of contract'
> Forced Microsoft to offer browser choice.
> Forced Microsoft to loosen their hold over Windows Update and when it installs updates.
> Forced Microsoft to respect users' browser choice and not try to weasel in Edge everywhere.
> Forced Microsoft to make Edge uninstallable.
> Forced Microsoft to turn down the level of telemetry sent by Windows.
> (pending) Forced Microsoft to allow using Windows 11 without a Microsoft Account
> By way of having export control over ASML, the ONLY company in the world capable of making the EUV chipfabs that bake the chips that power ALL the world's modern computer hardware, they effectively make Silicon Valley and anything in it, on it, attached to it, related to it, etc. their little bitch.

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>>715511659
I've never played a live service game, I just think the model deserves to eat shit because of how predatory it is.

>>715511659
Euros stop buying it in your headcanon world, but poojeets and chinks and latinos continue, and they quantitatively overpower euros as a market, and nothing was solved with your retarded suggestion through simple math.

>>715511597
They want their cake and to eat it too. They want the money from the model but don't care about supporting the game being an arbitrary timeline (when it stops being profitable)

>this doesn't affect me
>but I'm going to try to kill it and ruin it for people who like it, because I personally don't enjoy it

skigger moment

>this doesn't affect me
>but I'm going to try to kill it and ruin it for people who like it, because I personally don't enjoy it

skigger moment

>>715511705
same. the petition has a nice stated goal but i'm more interested in doing whatever i can do ensure live service games stop being made.

>>715469342
>>715468832 (OP)
kill yourself

>>715511821
>>715511824
Bot malfunction.

>>715468832 (OP)
if your game is impossible or prohibitively expensive to make playable offline, then just make it subscription based.
if you're going to sell it as a product for a one time €80 payment then it had better be a product you can't revoke.

>>715511763
they got the numbers but what about that purchasing power?

>>715511821
Democracy means I get to make my voice heard on matters I care about. Eat shit you little fascist.

>this doesn't affect me
>but I'm going to try to kill it and ruin it for people who like it, because I personally don't enjoy it

skigger moment

>>715511860
Yes, they got the purchasing power too, as gacha and genshin showcase pretty well.

>>715469390

A game is not a coffee, what a retarded example

>>715511848
He's phoneposting

>>715511862
minority using government authority to oppress a majority is actually what is fascist you complete imbecile

>this doesn't affect me
>but I'm going to try to kill it and ruin it for people who like it, because I personally don't enjoy it

skigger moment

Reminder that the dude spamming is a retarded Kiwi who got BTFO on /pol/ because he thought people there would back up his retardation.

>>715511971
>you're a minority because I say so!

>>715511875
i'm the opposite, to me it feels like this affects only completely shit games i don't care about yet i still signed it

>this doesn't affect me
>but I'm going to try to kill it and ruin it for people who like it, because I personally don't enjoy it

skigger moment

>>715512001
It's nice seeing how bipartisan this is. They tried and failed to bait people into seeing it as a left/right issue.

>>715468832 (OP)
Yes, actually.

>>715512009
you are the one who said external markets would nullify europeans 'voting with their wallets', due to europeans being a minority

eurocentric little fascist white faggot, you will definitely be killed during the global revolution

>this doesn't affect me
>but I'm going to try to kill it and ruin it for people who like it, because I personally don't enjoy it

skigger moment...

>>715512072
Mental illness.
Touch some grass before Israel bombs the few stalks you still have left because your people suffer from skill issues.

>>715512072
You should say "you will burn" instead to make your raging cringekino

how many threads is piratesoftware gonna make on this board tonight?

>>715512145
>how dare you not accept EU trying to force global compliance with their faggot bullshit!
>you're mentally ill for wanting the EU to fuck off!

you are fascist and a coloniser, you will be killed 100%

>>715512145

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>>715512192
Always at least one more my good saar

>>715512109
This, but the Epstein island

>>715512215

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>>715512215

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>>715512215
Your shitholes force companeis to comply with censoring LGBT shit in Mid East and across Asia and North Africa; I don't see you complaining about that massive customer treatment divide. You still comply, gladly, because greed is more valuable than beliefs to your stupid kind. #FreeBombsAbovePalestine

its actually hilarious how hard you faggots force yourself to like something just because reddit hates it. I don't know how you have the energy to do this 24/7

>>715510998
>Have you considered that most people exust on a individual basis
They don't, otherwise racial politics wouldn't be a thing to begin with.
You are a fundamentally retarded lolbert with no conception of how the world works, at absolute best. At worst, you are just a snake trying to get white people to keep their guard down.
I hope you trip and spear your eye on a frozen dog turd.

>>715512215

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I just think consumer protections are cool.

>>715512215

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>>715512215

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>>715512215

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>>715512215

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Uh oh melty

>>715512352

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>>715469390
Motherfucker's out here drinking his video games out of his computer

>>715512574
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>>715512215
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>>715512706
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>>715512594
>>715512650
absolutely based cru enjoyer

>>715468832 (OP)
why are americans like this?

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>>715469342
TRVKE

>>715512756
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people don't get these are the true sequels to the test drive unlimited games and are fucking goated.
it's only ubisoft's gay ass account system and launcher that makes it impossible to enjoy them on anything other than a pc.

this but unironically

Take out the proxy sites and their owners and this kind of spam will stop being a blight on this board

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He's DONE

>>715512967
Thanks for the update, Quintheo. Looking forward to the next time it is over.

>>715512951
literally me after cru1 shut down and i forgot to backup my save

>>715511684
based evropa invicta

Shilling sloptubers, fuck off. They're just as much a faggot as he is.

>>715468832 (OP)
What kind of braindead bait is this?

It's not about lasting our lifetime. If I buy a frying pan, that's mine to use whenever I want for as long as it lasts. Applying the same logic of drm is like saying there exists a governing body who can revoke my use of that pan for literally any reason whenever they see fit.

>>715468832 (OP)
Vote faster!

>>715468832 (OP)
>everything I spend money on has to last forever

>>715510279
>Planned obsolescence is such a disgusting 21st century concept
I live in a house that is 130 years old. I still have my floppies from the 80s.

>>715468832 (OP)
Yes

>>715515565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORdSU0Yp_6g
Joy, beautiful spark of the gods,
daughter from Elysium,
We enter, drunk with fire,
Heavenly one, thy sanctuary

>>715516267
everyone looked like that and was speaking like that. what went wrong?

>ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL THE BOOTLICKERS AND LOLBERTARIANS PRESENT
You lost!

>>715516379
People weren't Schill enough.

Man, you can really pick out the one anti-SKG shill because he's the only one using trooncase.

Basically every low effort disingenuous niggerfaggot always types like this:
>i am totally aloof and above it all lol. i don't care about anything and i'm not mad lol. you are buzzword buzzword. look at this bait post about politics.

At this point you can tell if you're about to read something worthwhile or just lazy shitty bait by looking at the capitalization alone. It's always the same low effort cargo cult SA goon shit where they think pretending to be apathetic is the "YOU WIN" button for online debate.

>>715516737
The lolbert larp is just contrarian concern trolling. They're not actual libertarians, it's just expedient for them to frame themselves as libertarians to justify their irrational opposition

>"le heckin government is le heckin bad and we should let the free market deal with everything!!!!"
>the government is already involved and favoring corporations. if voting with your wallet worked, there would be no laws because bad things would never be profitable
>"PLEASE DO NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT I ONLY OPPOSE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION WHEN CONSUMERS DO IT!!!"

>>715517540
"EU fuck off" is a perfectly rational position for anyone who values the rights and identity they have as a citizen of a sovereign european nation.

The sovereignty that is threatened by the EU.

>>715517721
How has being in the eu affected you personally?

>>715468832 (OP)
That's right what you gonna do about it?

>>715469507
>>715469342
/pol/nigger go fuck yourself.

imagine the trannie seethe once the EU has been reclaimed from the frail middle aged women running it and we ascend to godhood again

I hate SKG because it distracts Ross from making autistic videos about random shitty games.

>>715517721
Okay great. Again, the European Union already regulates your laws. You are already subject to EU consumer laws. Saying the EU shouldn't regulate anything when it already does in response to a consumer rights movement is a deflection on your part because you're a retarded contrarian with no arguments

>hello, yes, we as consumers would like better rights protections
>OH YEAH? WELL THE GOVERNMENT IS ILLEGITIMATE AND I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY LAWS!!!!!!
How funny that you only bring up this stance now, and not when the corporations used the EU to create laws that benefited them.

>>715500863
Running costs aren't the same as manufacturing costs you DUMBASS

>>715517862
Something doesn't have to affect you personally for you to care about it.

>>715519596
Note how you ignored this one >>715518354

>>715515803
>>715516069
You don't look like that though.

>>715519596
You oppose the eu because your government deflects everything bad onto them so you won't hold your own politicians accountable.

>>715520027
Thanks for having my opinions for me.

>>715520149
You're refusing to elaborate so I'm filling in the gaps.

>>715519668
Of course he did. He is here to confuse and deflect.

proof positives communists do not have national identity or souls

it is A-ok to beat them into comas and stomp their heads till they are leaking weird looking fluid from their ears

death to the EU, death to communist traitors, death to globalists

>>715520627
yeah yeah, I already told you, you won't do shit

>>715511597
Some experiences are only possible in a live, internet connected environment. I'm all for being up front about your purchase being to use the product for its lifespan rather than owning it, but expecting these types of games to live on forever by handing over tools to the public is gamer entitlement at its finest.

>>715521234
then it's not goods anymore and falls under different regulations they don't want to deal with

>>715515960
That's the way it should be

>>715521234
>use machine where the default is infinity copies of anything on it
>developers create something on this machine that is fun and enjoyable
>faggots set up a roundabout "service" that breaks the functioning of your machine
>retards in government are convinced by these same fags that people using their machine as intended is stealing
>to prevent "stealing", laws are passed where the >public< is unable to use the machine as intended
>only the fags "own" the "right" to use their machine as intended
>you will now go to jail if you use your machine as intended
this was turned into a public issue by the faggots shoving copyright law down lawmakers' throats.

>>715469342
You just outdid yourself as a smelly brit, we Americans talk about those issues at least a few times a week to the pro/anti

>>715523908
>You just outdid yourself

>>715521234
>Some experiences are only possible in a live, internet connected environment
Such as?

>>715469507
>Because some eceleb has mentioned the petition means it's just an excuse to post about ecelebs

>>715469342
/v/ forever unmasked as brainless consoom drones

>>715510279
>Planned obsolescence is such a disgusting 21st century concept
It's older than that, lightbulbs and tights (among other things) have purposely been manufactured with a shorter lifespan for several decades. Rival corporations can secretly work together to screw consumers over by lowering the quality of all their products and prevent any alternative to their shit.

If it sounds crazy to you, look up the Phoebus cartel. Bastards ruined lightbulbs forever.

if someone's not building something to last, he's the enemy of humanity and the world
planned obsolescence and being wasteful is why the world is suffocating in trash, it's a human duty to preserve and conserve

>>715524667
That’s what I said thanks for implying that I did “mate”

>>715469342
>Less taxes
Americans are so retarded. Taxes are how you even have a society. The issue is that people need to be more educated in how its spent, and more transparency in the process of who is paying and what for.

slop killing

>>715469390
>comparing a drink that can only be used once to a digital computer game that can last forever
Corpos aren't sending their best

>>715470313
>Muh reddit