>Hey, Saber, let's go on a date in the middle of a battle royale that will decide the fate of mankind
Is this ginger for real?

>>715471119 (OP)
Bump.

>>715471119 (OP)
she liked it tho

yeah

>>715471119 (OP)
That's how you know this was written by a woman, don't forget they go to school too

>>715474661
He looks so weird in Deen Stay Night.

>>715474661
i hato this charactere

>>715471119 (OP)
>Hey Arcueid, let's go on a date in the middle of a conflict with a reincarnating vampire that preys on innocent people
Is this glasses-for-brains for real?

>>715471119 (OP)
>>715473108
This battle shonen was kind of not a contest.

>>715471119 (OP)
It was kino.

>>715471119 (OP)
its pretty much an unspoken rule to not do any servant fights out in the open during the day time, in other words it was a pretty safe bet

>>715475341
Nothing in this series makes sense, they shoot fucking Excalibur nukes, destroy property on a massive scale and leave blood everywhere and nobody notices. It's beyond retarded and you must not think about it to enjoy things. Wow Saber so cute! uwaaa

>>715475135
Nobody noticed this btw

>>715471119 (OP)
>decide the fate of mankind
The Holy Grail War isn't even that important in the grand scheme of things thoughever
>>715475964
>nothing in this series makes sense
Sounds like you didn't get it

>>715476479
NTA but the Grail has the potential to destroy the world. Either by granting it as a wish through destruction or by the grail goop overflowing the entire earth.

>>715476479
>The Holy Grail War isn't even that important in the grand scheme of things thoughever
It's sad for gacha tertiaries just don't get this. The grail war is seen as a meme in the world fate, something for the stuck-up clock tower to rightfully laugh at as pointless and doomed to fail, and all of Japan is seen as an insignificant backwater country.
But the biggest thing is the HGW is not of narrative importance either. FSN was not a battle royal written around the grail war. The HGW is not the plot, it is only the setting. It was Shirou's story, the servants weren't more important as characters just because they were historical figures and heroes, most of the focus and development was on the human masters.

yes it was based

>>715476626
Some people like Gilgamesh and Kirei believe so, but Archer recognizes the shadow and says that he has fought it before as part of the counter-force. So I don't think it'd be the end of the world.

>>715471119 (OP)
seiba...

>>715476925
>It was Shirou's story
How awful, you make a story with a great setting lore and entire magic system and your whole focus is on the most boring plot armor MC that has ever plot armored in the history of Visual Novels. I wish Rin was the MC.

>>715477392
you never read it

>>715477392
Writing the story around an archetypal tsundere waifu would have been a terrible idea, thankfully Nasu and Takeuchi weren't that stupid. Shirou is an incredible original character.

>>715477657
I watched it

>>715477725
faggot

>>715477392
>plot armor MC that has ever plot armored in the history of Visual Novels
>30 bad endings for picking choices that attempt against Shirou's life
Sure anon, you clearly know what happens in the vn.

>>715477828
None of that changes the fact that he put himself into lots of situations where he should have died even in the true route.

>>715477392
shirou is based

>>715477690
I'll never forget reading the first fantranslations when I was like 14 and slowly coming to the realization that the main character of this story was a crazy person

>>715477006
>says that he has fought it before as part of the counter-force. So I don't think it'd be the end of the world.
Counterforce literally only gets sent out when it's an end of the world threat.

>>715477919
and i should be dead but i lived

Should I play the originals or the remakes?

>>715478109
There's no remake

>>715475341
I was watching ubw and I rolled my eyes when they got into a fight after rin and shirou decided to go on a walk for funsies. :rolleyes:

>>715477919
Every fucking action protagonist survives things that should've by all rights killed them.

>>715478356
>>715478109
wait do you mean realta nua? I'm on the fence about that. I think the second replacement scene for saber is good, but I don't care for the others. The sex scenes aren't good anyways, but I think HF is worse without them.

>>715478068
Okay answer me this, you've probably seen the anime adaptations. How good is the VN compared to the anime? Does the VN justify Shirous ridiculous plot armor, does he think everything through before doing his suicide charges. Or is he impulsively doing everything without thinking like in UBW

>>715476479
>Isn't even that important in the grand scheme of things
>When the 4th Grail War could have turned into a world-wide genocide had Kerry not denied the grail
>When the Apocrypha Grail war could have turned everyone into eternal beings had the dragon boy not moved it to the "reverse side of the world"
The clock tower is full of schmucks.

>>715477919
The only truly stupid choice is protecting Saber at the beginning of Fate and that exist solely to show his fucked up mentality. After that picking a suicidal choice will get you a bad ending.

>>715478443
The vn is leagues better than the anime. Read the VN. If not, go be a faggot somewhere else. You fundamentally don't understand his character, much like many anime onlies

>>715478530
>Avoid going into "totally suspicious basement"
>Get bad ending
Yeah, sure.

>>715478530
I dunno I think running into the forest after Rider was an extremely retarded decision too, that was a servant that should have killed him in 5 seconds flat and yet he lived.

>>715471119 (OP)
Look at how flat she is, damn that's hot.

>>715478508
>>When the 4th Grail War could have turned into a world-wide genocide had Kerry not denied the grail
Not really, the result would just be localized like it was at the end of Zero, a single grail lacks the power to make worldwide changes like that. The only time the grail presents an actual existential threat is at the end of HF.
Later instalments show that the clock tower and the most noble mages really are a step above the fuyuki grail war, even if it can do more than what they think.

>>715478530
No you make retarded decisions throughout the vn but its ok because its kino. Shirou is a retard but it works. The story is about him being retarded

>>715478443
He is often somewhere between "well, this is probably maybe definitely going to kill me, but I just can't let it stand" and "oh, it appears my body moved forward even though all my senses tell me death is coming".
He's aware that he's not really good at staying alive. When Rin yells at him that he has no self-preservation, he feels that deeply.
You know that famous "People die when they are killed" line? Which sounds so very silly? It's him admitting he has been killed numerous times yet failed to die, and that he's skirted by on miracles he didn't deserve. It's actually quite a poignant moment.

>>715478443
It's shit. fans of this slop are mentally deranged.
It's like watching naruto. but you actually believe naruto is a deep series because uhh sasuke is edgy and gay or w.e. There is no excuse for a lot of bad plot shit either. They straight up ignore terrible plot points to say that vn shit even though the anime is adapting the plot of the vn and even when any differences from those are factored in.

>>715478762
>Look at how flat she is, damn that's hot.
https://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1752529240394.jpg

>>715478007
You should read Wheel of Time.

>>715478780
>The only time the grail presents an actual existential threat is at the end of HF.
its the same grail in all 3 routes. the finale just takes place at the greater grail in hf.

>>715478849
>You know that famous "People die when they are killed" line? Which sounds so very silly
It only sounds silly out of context, it worked just as well in the anime when Shirou said it after being stabbed by Lancer.

>>715478109
I really don't like the remastered OST...

>>715478780
Did Nasu actually confirm exactly how powerful Angry Manjew would be if he got wished into the world like he aimed for in Zero? I find it hard to believe a grail with the power to actually make the third magic happen(which it did in apocrypha and it would have turned the whole world had they not removed it) would not insanely powerful when used in a destructive way.
The end of Zero felt more like a gas leak than its full destructive potential.

>>715479002
>It's shit. fans of this slop are mentally deranged.
I disagree, I think this series has a huge amount of potential and I understand why people love it, it's just the main character seems like a special snowflake protected by Fate itself. In a somewhat grounded series with clear rules this guy just breaks them. Too much for me to care about him. (also fights in this series only serve the narrative and people that should win lose when it's necessary for the plot)

>>715478443
NTA, but the VN is absolutely far superior.
Shirou's plot armor looks like BS but through the routes it gets subtely explained.
He survives certain death because of Avalon and the properties of UBW. In one bad end, he jumps from a third story window and dies, because a huge amount of swords pop out from his body
UBW literally turns his flesh into swords, while Avalon heals his body.
Only in the Fate route does he return Avalon to Saber.
That's why he eventually loses his body in HF - the damage is too great and Archer's arm powers up UBW considerably

>>715478780
The grail is actually a lot better than most people think. It's why the dismantling war happens later, everyone realized that the Fuyuki Grail can actuality do what they advertised.

>>715479596
>protected by Fate itself.
>dies

>also fights in this series only serve the narrative
should fights NOT serve the narrative?

>>715479625
Mind of Steel route when?
Exactly how does he win from that position. I need to know.

>>715479280
No, the grail is different because in an Einzbern host Angra can't really manifest so the worst that can happen is for all the energy gathered to be released as a form of destruction, around a city wide. With Sakura as the grail, Angra can really manifest and be born in a body created from a grail so the CF would need to get involved instantly.
>>715479587
I think that in the HF movie 3 commentary or somewhere like that Nasus stated that the born Angra would be a Beast or a beast candidate.

>>715478443
I'll finally be playing the VN soon but based on the replies you're getting, it seems like most of the fags that proclaim it as vastly superior to the anime simply seem incapable of appreciating a story which shows instead of telling. I can't wait to spend 90 hours proving that I'm correct.

>>715479587
Angra Manyu is a Beast candidate with the trait of Retribution.
Acording to sources, half the world would be burned by it by the time the Counter Force would react, with most of humanity dead

>>715478443
Read the VN. I'm not asking anymore. Holy crap, any opinions on Fate from people who didn't read the VN should be filtered out immediately. Every single thing people complain about is addressed and explained in hours of detail across each route in the VN.

>>715479587
The mud spilling out in Zero was not the tangible incarnation of Angra Mainyu. He needs a Master in addition to a physical Holy Grail to do that. He never had one in any route except HF, where Sakura becomes his Master.
It's why hitting her with Rule Breaker put a stop to all of it. He is a genuine Avenger class servant. No Master, no Angra Mainyu. Only mud.
Having said that, if he fully incarnated like in HF, Nasu said he would rise as a fully fledged Beast, incinerate approximate 3 billion lives, then trigger the Grand Servant defense systems.

>>715479921
the anime do a bad job at showing and telling, but the ubw does a slightly better job at showing than some people give it credit for. there are also some things that have to be shown. show don't tell is a guideline, not a hard rule of storytelling.

>>715479776
>It's why the dismantling war happens later
I hate F/Go so much for tunnelling the majority of Fate works into its gachashit abyss instead of getting us to a Dismantling War story.

>>715479817
Fights should serve the narrative but they need to make sense too. Saber getting beat up by some bumblefuck mage was retarded. I don't care about any mana excuse, this is KING ARTHUR with a sword getting the shit beaten out of her by a fucking bum with FISTS

>>715479990
something tells me my opinion would not change even if I did read it, and I just might.

>>715478443
Something I didn't like about the anime was the Shirou vs Gil fight. It's a lot flashier in the anime, but it should be closer to what the DEEN movie was that everyone shat on it for: Shirou mindlessly just grabbing new swords and slamming them at Gilgamesh with zero skill as fast as he possibly can.

>>715480030
Case Files shows us how that would look like and it's not really that interesting. That series is more interested in trying to make stuff look cool than for it to make sense in the story.

>>715480076
>Saber getting beat up by some bumblefuck mage was retarded.
she got blindsided once and it wouldn't have happened again. he wasn't evne a mage either.
>i dont care about any mana excuse
>whats 2+2 and don't tell me 4!
he was buffed by caster. he gets his shit pushed in by archer as soon as she dies

>>715480076
With a one-time-only assassination trick that would work on literally anyone who doesn't see it coming or have automatic defenses.
90% of servants would fall before Medea-boosted Kuzuki.
And stop pretending the Age of Gods magus boosting his fists was not the real deciding factor.

>>715471119 (OP)
>play all type moon VNs
>super psyched to have found new type of games to "play"
>buy 6 vns in summer sale
>every single one (except steins gate) is trash lolislop, despite being 95% positive reviews
>nothing is remotely close to type moon

fucking bait and switch. fuck you Nasu for giving me hope.

>>715480190
Not that anon, but I like Case Files. You're not really turning me off from the idea.

>>715480172
>DEEN movie was that everyone shat on it
Because they literally fight in a field without anything happening. I agree that the Ufotable adaptation could be better but at least it has the rain of swords clashing around them which was the whole point of fight.

>>715480194
She did not get blindsided, she was the one charging at him. Locked in her sights. She blocked a master samurai before fighting this guy. And now she's eating punches from a random bum. Any buff is meaningless against an invisible sword she can thrust forward who he caught somehow??? How??? You can't see it. Plot, that's how.

>>715480076
To be fair, Medea wasn't fucking around

>>715480454
>Any buff is meaningless against an invisible sword she can thrust forward who he caught somehow???
ESLfaggot

>>715480218
Honestly it shouldnt. Its completely nonsensical that a normal human can go toe to toe with a being that is basically a materialized legend.
If Nasu onced said that a sheer apex killer like Void Ryougi Shiki who is backed up by Akasha itself can only fight defensively against any Servant, then a normal human like Kuzuki or even Shirou for that matter shouldnt be able to fight a Servant regardless of buffs.

>>715480314
the silver case

>>715478443
Technically the VN is superior.
The problem is Nasu’s awful prose.

>>715480454
>She blocked a master samurai before fighting this guy
she only managed to do this by denting his sword and exploiting the resulting opening, and even then she barely pulled it off
if she was any less precise than she was she'd have died
>Any buff is meaningless against an invisible sword
if you know what a sword looks like, it's not that hard to block or avoid a swing
this is less true if you're getting cut at with the tip but if they're trying to split your head in two like a watermelon and are right up in your face it doesn't take a genius to know where the sword is even if you can't see it

>>715480454
>gets blindsided
>she did not get blindsided
>>715480527
>he can't go toe to toe with a being that is basically a materialized legend
he gets killed immediately after caster dies. caster is buffing him.
>>715480585
I haven't read the japanese version. How much of it is his prose vs just being a janky fan translation

>>715480527
An Age of Gods witch. Who was taught magic by Hekate, the living Goddess of Magic. It is not some minor thing. Strengthening is a multiplicative factor. Good enough base statistics amplified enough will reach servants.
>If Nasu onced said that a sheer apex killer like Void Ryougi Shiki who is backed up by Akasha itself can only fight defensively against any Servant, then a normal human like Kuzuki or even Shirou for that matter shouldnt be able to fight a Servant regardless of buffs.
Do you think Void would not be able to match servants if backed up by FFFFUCKING MEDEA? She would butcher Servants in that case! Nasu said that for Void's status fighting by herself!

>Average joe mage beat a mythical heroic spirit of legend because he got le buffed fists
Are you kidding me?

>>715471119 (OP)
>Is this ginger for real?
i mean if you have even the slightest opportunity to rail king arthur would you not risk it all?

>>715480527
>normal human can go toe to toe with a being that is basically a materialized legend.
But he can't. Even if you ignore Medea basically making him super human, the only reason he managed to hurt her was because he took her by surprise. Nasu has always loved characters being defeated for being careless or for others exploiting their weaknesses, it's not the same as saying he would win in a perfectly fair 1 vs 1, because thinking people would accept those in the story is stupid.

>>715480784
Medea made this post.

>>715480786
He already tapped that once by the time the date happens in the original release of the VN.

>>715480862
that pussy is like crack

One of my favourite bits from HA is when Medea disguises herself as a literal bag of trash in the Emiya household.

>>715471119 (OP)
>saber's entire character arc is about shiro smashing saber's pussy so hard during multiple occasions that she finally learns to accept her place a girl, abandon her responsibilities as king arthur, king of the brits and become a cock sleeve literally and metaphorically for shiro
And there are faggots who say that the porn is out of place in fate stay night

>>715479830
The VN heavily implies that he resorts to using Kiritsugu's methods and abandons any moral restraints. What that exactly means and whether he finds Kiritsugu's old gear or w/e, we'll never know
Oath Under Snow implies that, if he had the right artillery, a fully locked-in Shirou is more than capable of winning the entire war in a single night
>>715480030
After I finished F/SN, learning that every other Fate installment is some AU of the 5th Holy Grail War or some insane 8 hour event in F/GO broke me. Even worse, F/GO managed to invade MB:TL's DLC roster

Saber's character arc is basically the exact same arc James goes through in Silent Hill 2

>wtf you're ret-
No, just think about it for a second.

>>715480691
>if you know what a sword looks like, it's not that hard to block or avoid a swing
Lancers in Zero and UBW were having trouble with that but I guess average mage is superior. They didn't even know it's a sword to begin with.

>>715480784
The wobbly punches cannot be undone.

>>715480797
The issue comes from the fact that Nasu describes Servants as moving faster than any human can possibly perceive them. Remember the Shiki Tohno fight against Nrvnqsr. The latter was literally moving at mach speed during his 666 beast form and the only reason the fucker manages to catch up is because of his Nanaya bloodline and MEoDP basically guiding him to trace kill points. And Servants are MUCH faster than that. Even with any true magic buffs, a human is only a human. Nasu's powerlevel consistency doesnt make sense.
If Kuzuki at least had demon blood like Kouma Kishima it would have made sense.

>>715481089
>AU of the 5th Holy Grail War
Literally no Fate work is that. Some are of alternate timelines where the fifth war was different or didn't happen, but none actually have it as the main point.

>>715481098
>They didn't even know it's a sword to begin with
>class name: saber

>>715480527
Have you considered that King Arthur's mana supply was kneecapped thanks to being contracted to the worst Master in the war at the time, someone who didn't even know how to use mana properly? Or that she was still recovering from her fight with Lancer, whose spear grazed her heart? Or that being separated from Avalon left her without use of her full power?

>>715480314
Horror style VN's are good.

Personal recs are:

Raging Loop: Story and gameplay are almost like the social game Werewolf, trying to find a killer among the group each night

Gnosia: Same as above, less story and more interesting setting though. More difficult to beat.

AI Somnium Files: Bit of wack tonally, but cool setting and good use of UI and detective stuff.

Fata Morgana: Unique art style and slow burn with more social and psychological horrors

Non-horror:

Ace Attorney: Huge series, bit silly but good mix of VN and deductive work. Great music

>>715481261
>Some are of alternate timelines where the fifth war was different or didn't happen
AUs of the 5th Holy Grail War, then

>Shirou was literally taught magic wrong as a joke
lmao

>>715475116
Didn't the anime double down on it and make it extra retarded or something...

>>715481257
Anon, that's just the narration being generous being exaggerated. If you really tried to apply logic to how fast the servants are supposed to move then none would make sense. Kuzuki, enhanced by Medea, managed to take Saber by surprise and incapacitate her, Gil was taken out of HF because Sakura stabbed him in the back while he was distracted.
Hell, your own Shiki example falls flat because he's just a normal human with no demon blood, outside of his super powerful incest mountain people generics that he never actually trains with.

I WANT TO RAPE SHIROU IN FRONT OF SABER, RIN, SAKURA, ILLYA, TAIGA, RIDER AND AYAKO UNTIL HE BECOMES MY CUTE, PURE AND SUBMISSIVE HUSBAND

>>715481319
Saber: It could be anything, an axe, a spear, a polearm

>>715481893
>left out the track team trio
Do you have a bone to pick with them or something?

>>715481341
How convenient that every single HGW, Artoria manages to get all these wounds and debuffs that prevents her from actually performing optimally early on. It's only gag spinoffs where she can operate at full power and demolish the competition.

>>715481987
he's saving them for me

>>715481987
They don't want to fuck Shirou

>>715481990
What else do you expect when you send a woman to do a man's job?

>>715471119 (OP)
>Fate: Archer holds back Berserker enough to take out 6 of his lives, all without using UBW, at the cost of Archer's life
>Heaven's Feel: Shirou projects Berserker's sword-axe, only possible by using Archer's arm, to instanuke him
Was Archer stupid? Why didn't he just try this in other routes?

>>715482062
kaede definitely does

Artoria gets stomped so often you'd think she's one of the weakest servants, but she's actually Top 2. lol

>>715481763
Which is why I mentioned the bullshit hax eye thing because for some reason Nasu thinks being able to see things weird also means that your body also matches up with the power of your sight. I was gonna say Nasu ripping off Naruto but Tsukihime came out in 2000.

>>715475116
>Hey Ciel, Roa keeps making my penis really hard you should do something about that hahaha

>Ending of Fate route
>Iliya murdered a fleeing Shinji and laughs about it to Shirou
>Sakura was depressed because Shinji went missing
>Shirou talks about how nice it is that Iliya being around the house cheered Sakura up
Kek this fucking guy

>>715482148
and also everybody in the 5th war is OP

>>715481378
I don't enjoy mystery/procedural pop stuff.
I need an actual story.

I spent the weekend on VNDB but just based on the cover art ranking the top 1000 of all time I can see there is little hope.
I've come to terms with the fact that ultimately the genre was founded by lolifags and it was theirs to ruin with lolifaggotry.
Not much hope for the future either.

People don't really read anymore and Nasu said its a dead medium - that for example if he ever does make WOTHN 2, it'll be an RPG or something.

>>715475162
>I bear my head going white

>>715481319
You clearly aren't familiar with the setting if you think Sabers have to fight with swords.
Though I think there's only one saber that doesn't do it and he's a joke event character.

>>715482148
Exactly what I mean. Possibly out of any anime shounen protag, she's probably the one with worst win ratios and even with fucking Sakura powering her she jobs to Rider.
The only time I see her win was in the 2006 deen anime against gilgamesh. I guess she wins against Assassin but that fucker is a nobody who never even existed.

>>715482148
The fantasy scenario where Gilgamesh is actually trying from the start is strongest servant. Artoria with Avalon would be 2nd place, pretty far down from Gil too. Heracles in 3rd place is overall stronger and more well-rounded than Artoria, and he is definitely better than her without Avalon hax. In fact without Avalon I would argue Artoria isn't even top 5.
All of this is ignoring extra and gacha shit of course. I don't care about any of that.

>>715482116
The Berserker who gets one shotted by Nine Lives Blade Works doesn't have God Hand, doesn't have his stone skin, is blind, and can barely move. In Resident Evil terms he's the weird malformed slugbeast Nemesis you fight at the end of 3 for a victory lap rather than the unstoppable Nemesis of the early game.

>>715482282
>Shinji rapes, beats, insults, and abuses Sakura on a daily basis for years as she gets Wormed.com by her grandad
>this is only addressed in Heaven's Feel, the same route that reveals the raping
>Shinji's death is played off as a dark gag in Fate, and, in UBW, his survival is treated as a good thing and something Sakura is happy about
>this is the same character Shirou considers a really good friend
What was Nasu on whenever it came to writing this character? By all logic, UBW is the worst possible ending for Sakura bar none because of this one character

god am I actually gonna have to read this shit uuuuughhhhhh

>>715482535
>You clearly aren't familiar with the setting if you think Sabers have to fight with swords.
the only one that doesn't is santa karna

>>715482535
>You clearly aren't familiar with the setting if you think Sabers have to fight with swords.
back then sabers fighting with swords as the setting. GO shit can fuck off
>>715482541
>he doesn't know

>>715482727
>GO shit can fuck off
Ah yes, Gilgamesh the Archer surely comes from way down the franchise and not the original instalment.

>>715481319
>class name: archer
>the two we see use swords, spears, a shield

>>715482582
>isn't even top 5
Anon there are only 7 servants in FSN. Nasu literally hypes her up as the best servant in the war, which obviously doesn't include Gil because he's not technically part of the 5th HGW.

>>715482805
he shoots

>>715482816
>archer (emiya) uses a bow
>class is established to account for anyone whose primary method of attack is ranged weaponry

>>715482535
Saber as a class had higher stat and feat requirements for historical figures to qualify for it. You couldn't just get some joe schmuck playwright for the class because "the pen is the mightier than the sword" like how Shakespeare was a caster in Apoc despite having no real magecraft. It's why the class was considered the best, not just because it had the best stats but you had to actually get a decent swordsman with it.

>>715482656
and he was a good friend

>>715478061
>>715478508
The Counter-force literally takes care of it so it doesn't matter
The human unconscious makes sure it doesn't happen
Nothing ever happens

>>715483090
>Nothing ever happens

(Buffed) Kuzuki: Leave Gilgamesh to me.

Wtf are Grand Servants? I thought the Servant class system only existed because of the grail war, and that if the heroic spirits were summoned naturally they wouldn't be placed under any sort of restriction

>>715483471
ignore anything servant related after HA. you're welcome

I personally choose to pretend like the world ended in 2006 and nothing released or said past 2006 is canon to Fate.

>>715483471
something something grand orders changed the rules something something

>>715483538
i like to imagine rin's head would explode if she tried to operate a modern smart device

>>715483471
who the fuck even cares

>>715471119 (OP)
this bitch drained me

>>715483471
did you know there are ruler servants now? they are like super servants with more power than regular ones that can beat any servant in a 1v1

>>715483657
The fuck is this?

>>715483819
do we tell him

>>715483819
whatever hoyoslop game that's doing a collab with the ubw anime

>>715483657
>try Saber in HGW event
>can't beat even corruption 1 because lolnosunday
>have to switch to my other teams
EVEN IN THE COLLAB WHERE'S SHE SHILLED SABER IS A JOBBER AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>715483630
>2025+ magi are more well hidden than ever because they have zero online presence
>this is entirely because smartphones and smart TVs freak them out

>>715483471
Basically, the original servant system was created by the CF to fight existential threats and the only thing Zouken did was adapt it to use in the HGW. The grand servants are basically super servants summoned by the world to fight beasts. Their containers are raised to the max so they can pull off pretty much whatever bullshit they want. Only heroes who can actually make use of that are chosen but technically anyone can be a grand if they are summoned as one.

Demote artoria to assasin bitch is useless, put Richard the Lionhart in and watch fools get blitzed while he shits out excalibur blasts with 0 charge time

>>715482398
That's more than a bit broad. If you don't enjoy mystery as a theme then most VN stories won't be for you.

Basing it off looking at cover art on a DB site isn't going to give you a good indication of the good existing stuff.

Fata Morgana is the closest to a real story, no filler experience from what I listed above.

It's an interesting genre, because the good VN's can also have other gameplay elements. Have a look at a couple of the ones above, they're pretty good.

>>715483740
>did you know there are ruler servants now?
Apocrypha is 13 years old, and the draft for the original game it is several years older.

>>715484373
when will it end

>>715483471
They're the "original guardians" that were mentioned in F/SN in a single enigmatic line.

>>715475162
wow what a bitch

The issue with Saber as an action story protagonist is that she's a VN character without growth power level wise so the writer has to bring her down to the absolute bottom just to give any kind of tension in the story. You don't feel the same thing you do with the average shounen MC where you see him progressively get stronger and overcoming his obstacles because you already know that Saber is just getting hampered by circumstances mostly outside her control and she only wins once her limiter is momentarily taken away and she's back to normal fighting capacity.

This is why in nearly every Fate adaptation I prefer Archer because he doesn't have this excuse. He's already the weakest, but him being weak and overcoming the opposition is what makes for an entertaining underdog story.

>>715483498
>>715483542
>>715483740
It was in F/SN. Just not named as such. There were always seven primeval servants who were much stronger.
Due to a mistranslation, the english fanbase thought they were the same thing as the Counter Guardians, but they weren't.

>>715484859
good thing saber isnt the main protagonist

>>715480984
greatest story ever told

>>715484859
actually Saber was at full power in Zero and she still jobbed to everything that moved

>>715485231
Butcherslop couldn't even get her character right.

>>715485231
>kiritsugu gave her zero support other than mana and kept avalon hidden from her
>character assassination chivalry honorfagging
>non canon

>>715485231
>jobbed
Stop fucking using that word when talking about Saber.

>>715485231
>actually Saber was at full power in Zero
Except for not having her thumb for 80% of the novel and the second she got it back she nuked Cthulhu itself.

Finished F/SN and it was ok. Fights weren't that interesting, the SoL scenes were lacking and I disliked how a lot of the side characters just became completely irrelevant in some routes. I enjoyed the the scenes where multiple characters interacted (especially characters that weren't on the best of terms or were strangers beforehand), needed more of those desu, not just one-on-ones talking about upcoming battles and info dumps or how Shirou is still able to move and fight when everything hurts and he was barely able to lift his arms/legs just seconds ago. Rin best girl, HF best route. 7/10

I've also started the Tsukihime remake and have finished Arc's route. Almost all of the flaws from F/SN still apply here. I loved the mansion scenes with Shiki's sister and the maids, sadly they all took a backseat for Arc once her route got to the midpoint or so. Maybe Ciel's route will be better. Mahoyo is still the best TM work I've read/seen desu.

Saber jobbed...
again...

>>715483657

>>715484971
Deuteragonist then. Still a very shitty way to write a character. She doesn't work as an action girl nor does a dramatic character because she gets shit on by nearly everything
>loses almost every fight because of every single inconvenience happening
>gets laughed by gilgamesh and iskander for being a stupid bitch who lost her kingdom
>even as a romantic love interest she loses to Rin
So now Saber is really only good for food memes and generally looking marketable because she's the girl that's on the cover.

>>715485386
people need to stop using the word job to mean lose. it means more than a simple loss

>>715485491
>Maybe Ciel's route will be better
it will be
it was better in the original too

>>715485527
she works very well as a dramatic character.
>loses almost every fight
she kills rider and girugamesh
>even as a romantic love interest she loses to rin
are you an anime only that just watched ubw? you're really gonna skip the saber route and pretend like she doesn't work as a dramatic character

>>715485528
yeah it's losing to build up a stronger villain, which she does. Everytime. Estecially Kuzuki, a fucking school teacher.

>>715485528
>>715485386
But the thing here is that's relevant because Saber's entire existence is to lose to make the other thing look imposing. That's what a jobber is in professional wrestling terms. If you prefer TV tropes terms, then she's a whorf effect victim.

>>715485649
He's too stupid to realize that Rin is the deuteragonist and that fate never focused on the action like a battle shonen.

>>715485527
>complains about saber losing to rin
in rin's route, not in saber's route

>>715485649
>she kills rider and girugamesh
Again which goes back >>715484859
she only wins because of her momentary inconvenience is taken away. It's not a satisfying way to write an action character. It's like a jacked up 7 footer trying to hold back an urge to demolish a midget kicking him in the shin while said linebacker is also blindfolded. But Saber isn't a linebacker or an imposing character like say Guts where once he does go all out, it's satisfying and cathartic to see him absolutely go to town on his enemies. She's a fucking small blonde anime girl in a dress.

>>715485960
>She's a fucking small blonde anime girl in a dress.
and thats great

>>715485845
Well fate got popular because it became a battle shounen regardless.
Again, just saying how it is. Even if Nasu's intention was to make FSN a deconstruction of a battle shounen, Saber isn't a compelling character as an battle anime/manga character. She's simply not a character you root for in fights.

>>715471119 (OP)
>>715475341
They literally get ambushed right after it ends though.

Be real with me. Is fate good? Has it been ruined by the gacha?

>>715485960
>this wasn't satisfying
>>715486216
fate/stay night is very good. the gacha is bad but it has no bearing on the vn

>>715486216
you can enjoy pre-gacha stuff without engaging with the gacha at all and still have a good time
there are some fate fans who only know it for the gacha but there's no shortage of folks who like the real deal

fate stay night > umineko

>>715486169
then explain why i root for her in fights

>>715486249
It's not compared to any of the other fights in the VN. There's a reason nobody prefers the Fate route. Nasu should rewrite Fate and actually make the battles better.

>>715481573
anime added 2 episodes of filler of the entire cast going to a amusement park and it's complete nonsense

>>715486249
>>715486312
What i wanted to ask was has the mass exposure ruined fate?
Also what should i play or watch?

>>715486418
Fate is literally my favorite route
>>715486450
Play Fate/Stay Night. If anyone tells you to start by watching zero or any of the anime adaptations ignore them.

>>715486450
>What i wanted to ask was has the mass exposure ruined fate?
What do you mean? The VN is still there. If you're referring to everything else, don't bother. It's a complete clusterfuck.

>>715480314
read Higurashi, it's good
But get the Steam version and use the original sprites, 07th mod is shit

>>715486506
>Fate is literally my favorite route
You're probably the first one I've ever seen say that then in all my 15+ years of being a fate fag. Everyone else prefers UBW and HF. Nobody was clamoring for a Fate adaptation in an form of media, especially after the deen adaptation.

>>715486682
I wish I could erase all of the adaptations

>>715485658
>Saber's entire existence is to lose to make the other thing look imposing. That's what a jobber is in professional wrestling terms.
Saber jobs twice in all of Fate/Stay Night: once to Kuzuki in UBW, then again against True Assassin and the shadow, both fights the result of Saber severely underestimating the resources her opponents had at their disposal. Her every victory and loss in Fate, with few notable exceptions, are very close wins or losses.
Please stop flinging "jobber" around like you know what it means.
>>715486418
>>715486682
NTA but while Fate route's highs don't hit as hard as UBW's or HF's, it felt the most consistent in quality from start to finish. I can find things that I really didn't care for in the other routes but can't do the same for Fate route. The Saber romance does leaps and bounds over Rin's and Sakura's (Sakura's especially), and the ending and Saber's death was probably the most emotional moment in the entire game. HF normal end came close though.
For me its Fate > UBW >> HF

>>715475116
Arcueid was the one that suggested the date,though

>>715487102
>Saber jobs twice in all of Fate/Stay Night: once to Kuzuki in UBW, then again against True Assassin and the shadow, both fights the result of Saber severely underestimating the resources her opponents had at their disposal.

No the Assassin one is 100% dogshit writing. The dude is apparently immune to Saber's wind blasts that shred concrete because he lived somewhere windy in life as the reason given. With this logic, every wind based Servant is hard countered by every Tibetan and Mongol Servant.

>>715487102
Anon, she also jobs to Berserker and Gilgamesh. Jobbing means to character who's job is to make other character look imposing and that's what Saber does so that Shirou and co can prepare and react accordingly. Not necessarily a job but she also gets put in a difficult position by fake Assassin. In Fate/Ataraxia, Archer also snipes her.

>>715486345
Steins;gate victimizes both in writing

military soldiers NEVER had personal leave outings. >_>

>>715487396
>Berserker
>the guy explicitly stated to be the strongest Servant vs the girl at half power and heart damage
You're insane if you call that jobbing
>Gilgamesh
Had Gil fought Saber first instead of Caster, sure. But Gilgamesh already established how insanely overpowered he was when he debuted against Caster. When Saber first fought Gil, we already knew she was up against something far out of her league. She didn't job to him, she got believably BTFO'd.
>Jobbing means to character who's job is to make other character look imposing and that's what Saber does
A character isn't "jobbing" if the audience already had expectations for how much stronger the winning character may be over the other.

>>715487804
Crazy how even in a VN the best girls aren't any of the main interests.

>>715486628
its meh. its doesn't really compare to Nasu/Steins. same for umineko which is better but absurdly long for absolutely no reason. baldr sky was okay. the rest of the VNs out there aren't worth mentioning. beyond the pale slice of life sloppa.

>>715478007
I read Tsukihime when I was 16 and went:
>wow this main character is fucking insane. why do I relate to him?

>>715480314
because you haven't read Muv-Luv

>>715489253
xtra was enough to put me off.

if you were to translate all the visuals, plot events, story beats, characters, etc along with the text -into English - it would just be a Japanese cast of the three stooges hitting each other with paper fans yelling "BAKA!"

>>715488439

>>715487804
>>715488439
baste taste mein neggers
hollow ataraxia is peak typemoon, peak vn in general

>>715488854
>>715478007
>start reading Fate this year
>really like Shirou and relate to him on some level
>realize he's insane
>relate to him even more

>>715480172
>but it should be closer to what the DEEN movie was that everyone shat on it for: Shirou mindlessly just grabbing new swords and slamming them at Gilgamesh with zero skill as fast as he possibly can.
not it shouldn't, Shirou adopts the skills from the original users of each weapon, it's one of the reasons why his brain and body gets fried. I wish we could've seen him copying THE REGEND and dropping a Tsubame Gaeshi on Kirei back in the fate route

AHEM

I have only watched the anime :)

>>715490387
this but specifically just carnival phantasm

as a fate thread

anyone find fate samurai remnant kinda....disappointing? it was yet another anime game where fucking NOTHING happens until the ending and then suddenly that's it.

Shirou is the most based MC of all time

>>715490461
I don't know what that is.

>>715490138

>>715490602
>not just posting the scene where he rapes Rin for no good reason

>>715475162
she looks like a lost puppy here

>>715481257
>MEoDP basically guiding him to trace kill points
Shiki's original pure eyes also gives him clairvoyance and the ability to see Akiha's red hair but Nasu refuses to ever explain or have it be brought up in the story lol, it's one of the few times he decides to be subtle about a character's power

>>715483740
Weren't rulers in FSN or at least HA? The einzberns tried to summon a ruler in the third war and got angry man jew instead.

>>715491797
That is apoc. They tried to summon an avenger, more specifically they tried to use the avenger class as a way to bypass the grail's restrictions in order to summon an obscure divine spirit that would be fundamentally stronger than regular servants. They succeeded in apoc by choosing a japanese servant who would have been weak without the ruler boost, honestly don't 100% remember the specifics on that, but they failed horribly in fsn.

>>715480076
>Assassin that spend his entire life training a single move
>Being a bum
>And that's before him being buffed by magic by one of the most famous witches in history
Unironically kill yourself. Sub 80 IQs like yourself should be euthanized for the good of society before your retardation affects others.

>>715480314
Read Majikoi. My favourite VN after Mahoyo. Shit's just a good time that puts a big smile on my face.

I drew Archer and Rin

>>715490259
happened to me

>>715492934
pgood

>>715482148
As >>715482284 said, the 5th war is fucking insane in terms of power levels. We have Saber with Avalon, Gilgamesh with GOB and EA, Cu Cuchulain the Irish Hercules, the Actual Hercules, the Medusa, Medea a mage from the Age of Gods, Sakaki who can bend the laws of physics by his own will and a Counter Guardian with a simulacrum of GOB. From all these servants, only two are not from the Age of Gods.

>>715485491
>not reading the original

>>715492934
Not bad anon, dont let the guy about to tell you to kill yourself put you off

>>715492934
they're my OTP

>>715485960
>But Saber isn't a linebacker or an imposing character like say Guts where once he does go all out, it's satisfying and cathartic to see him absolutely go to town on his enemies. She's a fucking small blonde anime girl in a dress.
that was something the HF movies fixed, seeing her nuke the shit out of berserker was fucking awesome

>>715493286
>From all these servants, only two are not from the Age of Gods.
Strictly speaking, Artoria's from the Age of Man. The Age of Gods "ended" a lot of times (reached periods of decline) but was definitely long over by the time Camelot rose, the turn of the AD calendar was the pivotal moment where all gods had to die or leave.

>>715471119 (OP)
1) The master servant relationship is the key determining factor in drawing out as much power as possible in a heroic spirit. More than anything, they want to have the faith of normal human beings
2) grail wars are retarded
3) chaldea operations are way better

>>715493535
HF movies “fixed” nothing

>>715490132
God I fucking love Taiga. I wish the community would wake up to how cute and sexy she is

>>715493785
>1) I am a gachafag
>2) I make the same mistake as zero, apocrypha, and strangefake in thnking that staynight is about the grail war
>3) my opinions are worthless

>>715494052
I think all VNchads know it

>>715480314
Dies irae Acta est Fabula
Muramasa
Hanachirasu
Demonbane

>>715493785
>Expecting VN fags to know the lore
Big mistake

>>715494715
Muramasa was pure kino, I should read Dies Irae

>>715475162
you blockhead!

Mordred is better anyway. Seibah is deprecated.

>>715497369

>"What's that Shirou? You're going to kill those you care about, kill my daughter Illya, turn black, kill Taiga, kill cult members, and turn into an even worse killer than I am, and then become a pawn of the government aka a Glowie? Well, all I can say is I can rest at ease now."

>>715497970
This wasn't interesting the first time you posted this.

>>715497970
The Shirou that kills Taiga and the cult and the Shirou who becomes a government agent are different Shirous.
After killing the cult Emiya Alter went completely into a fugue state where he just killed anything he deemed evil until his rampage was stopped.

Sparks Liner High

>>715498461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6zGO-Ikq4w

>>715494052
She's incredibly annoying and I don't see any appeal.

>>715493679
Yeah, but the whole Age of Gods/Man divide in Nasuverse is hilariously inconsistent anyway. One moment Gil's emergence marks the end of the Age of Gods, the next you’ve got divine spirits still walking around post-King Arthur. It's like they keep moving the goalposts depending on the vibe they want for the story. Camelot being built on the fading embers of the divine age sounds cool, but also somehow has Morgan cooking up fairy bullshit centuries later. Don’t think too hard about it, just ride the lore wave.

>>715499280
I'm sure it's fucking retarded if you try to take all of the extended lore after FSN/HA seriously, but the general idea early on was that the age of gods ended in different areas at different times. The coming of Christ was the biggest push toward the age of man, while Britain was the final holdout for the age of gods all the way up to Artoria's time. It's why Britain was fated to fall catastrophically because the age of man could not be stopped, and it's why the clock tower was built in London as the final stronghold where magic existed on the planet.

>>715477392
>Female MC
Skipped

>>715493679
The two servants who were not from the age of gods I was talking about are Sakaki Kojirou and Emiya
>>715499280
It's not inconsistent. Gilgamesh begins the decline but it goes on for a long time with isolated areas like islands (Great Britain and Japan) and mountains taking longer then the rest.

>>715478443
>>715479990

>>715480984
Picked the fuck up

I just filmed a skit about fate stay night

>>715499280
That's not inconsistent. The time of Artoria was basically confirming the end of the age of gods and starting the age of man. Her entire existence was to make sure that humanity had a future and to stop voetigern from prolonging the age of the gods. One of the reasons why she had to die was because she was part dragon which is incompatible with the coming age of man.

>expecting good writing from anything with the cancer known as (((bisexual))) representation
Serves you right.

>>715480218
IIRC, he wasn't buffed in the original VN. That or Rin wasn't when she nearly beat Medea to death with her own 2 hands.

>>715471119 (OP)

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Saber solos

>Archer Shirou
>Didn't bang Saber and stuck as Counter-cuck for all eternity, fixing humanities fuck up
>Fate Route Shirou
>Banged Saber so his time as a "Superhero" wasn't full of regret and gets to share eternal paradise with Saber

>>715471119 (OP)
sex with saber

I watched Fate/Zero first and simply can't take F/SN seriously. Too juvenile, too shitty writing.

>>715480076
>Saber getting beat up by some bumblefuck mage was retarded.
He's literally a trained assassin. A trained assassin from the same clan that trained a normal human teenager enough that he literally two punched a phantasmal beast so hard that its heart stopped.

>>715507595
What's the point of servants again if some naruto ninjas can train a regular ass human strong enough to beat them?

>>715478508
Most grails aren't nearly as good as the fuyuki grail and the fuyuki grail isn't known by anyone to be made out of the third magician and a tool that can rip a hole to the root due to that + it's level + heroic spirit fueled stuff + the distortion in fuyuki land. It's intentional and as far as anyone knows it's ok cool they can summon ghost liners that's neat but it's just a extra cool grail maybe in bumfuck nowhere.
The three families are not advertising the fact that it's in fact such a special thing.
It's a big deal mainly because of heavens feel but there are much more important things in the setting yeah

>>715507935
they power the holy grail, the fighting is really for the amusement of the Masters

>>715478508
If Atlas doesn't care then there isn't a real reason to worry

>>715480030
Dismantling war is gay. Nasu should fucking write more DDD or an exorcist thing or something new about dead apostles or psychics instead.

>>715475162
>saberfags delusional
cringiest scene in the whole VN.

>>715476626
It has the "potential" to destroy the world, but even in the worst case scenario Alaya wouldn't allow it, the counter force would be deployed long before that (and towards the end of HF it is in fact heavily implied that it's already about to do it).
Japan might get nuked however (but the Mage Association wouldn't particularly care about that).

>>715480076
Kuzuki is basically a kojirou. Kojirou spent his entire life practicing one swing that's tsubame gaeshi. Kuzuki is a natural born giga genius who was locked up in a room like nanaya Kiri or kouma and told to practice a martial arts and do nothing else. This bullshit martial arts is all about I win the first fight.
No shit he won.
>>715480314
Read some Umineko or higurashi or ciconia if you want something that isn't Nasu but is good. Also better have watched and read KnK.
>>715480527
That's a misinterpretation and translation of the interview. Shiki can fight servants if she's buffed by her sword autism and hypnotism. She's faster than kirei spamming command spells and is good enough with a sword to match centuries old super warriors and such. We already know command spell spamming kirei can fight and even kill servants or ciel.

Also on the note of soujuurou punching bro, bro isn't just a mere phantasmal, he's a millennium old super elemental who can fight aog old dead apostles who shit on literal gods

>>715480314
Ever 17 is good (and no, it's not lolislop, trust me).

I wish Rin had more anal art

>>715486560
>It's a complete clusterfuck.
zoom zoom.

>>715486682
Another Fatefag here, that route does the groundwork that makes many hype moments of the other two actually mean something, has hype moments of its own, has the most consistent and straightforward plot and has the best romance of the three.

>Gilgamesh only has 30% of the power of Archetype: Earth
Gilsisters...

Saber is hungry!

We need more actual grail wars. Samurai Remnant was nice as a story but my thirst is not sated. Strange/Fake is still there but it just keeps bringing up terms from FGO nonstop.

>>715509208
Saber x Shirou romance is cringe and not believable, also unhealthy. The romance is built on pure cringe.
Fate/zero is better.

heaven's feel is best and one of the most kino anime stories ever written
shirou belongs with sakura
simple as

>>715509992
Stop, anon. You can only fit so much faggotry in one post

>>715475162
She says all that but looks like she's about to collapse into tears

>>715480984
correct

>>715508424
>but I want to bang saber not this bitch

>>715490259
This is why he's my favorite character. I'm broken just like he is.

>>715511586
No youre just a retarded selfinserting saberfag

>>715511991
but he's literally me

>>715512401
You wish. youre infinitely more pathetic.

>>715497970
>Shirou I am you, we really suck.
>NO YOU'RE NOT ME!
>Cue persona music
>I am a Shadow the true self!

>>715512765
It's funnier with Alters and their yellow eyes.

>>715507465
I thought Fate/Zero was incredibly pretentious, people talking about high ideals for 20 minutes per episode when all you want is get over it already

>>715507595
He's a trained assassin. Wowie.
She is the literal 2nd strongest servant in the verse and KING ARTHUR a mythical being of legend that wields fucking EXCALIBUR and plated armor. I don't give a fuck about your buffs this makes no sense at all or Kuzuki buffed by caster is literally stronger than 99% of Servants when it is said that Mages have no chance against servants in a straight fight.
>but it was a one-time trick
Saber before this dodged a master SAMURAIS FINAL MOVE

This is like a cat beating a human because the human felt sluggish that day. You don't know what you're talking about.

fate is the gayest franchise I have ever seen, no clue how people are able to enjoy it

>>715513169
>pretentious
the same as admitting you didnt get it and need Shirou monologue and repeat everything 10times to be able to understand.

>>715513502
>too deep 4 u fgt
go back to Eva

>>715513436
>Shwwwop shunn shwwiiing
>Knocks your head off in one swift blow
Silence now

>>715513169
fsn is more pretentious actually. Endless repetition and cringy interactions pretending to be meaningful when theyre not.
>i was never wrong
>my dream is correct because... because its beautiful kek!
>I am bone of my sword

etc. That's what's pretentious my dude.

How come Extra/Record still has not come out. What is taking so long when the story is already laid out?

>>715513867
to this day I have no clue what I am the bone of my sword even mean

>>715513867
Fate/Zero
>Iskandar: A true king only cares about himself
>Saber: NO a king cares about his people, how can you say that?!
>Gilgamesh: lol he's totally right. You're a little girl.
>Saber: NOOOO
Can we take a moment to realize whoever wrote this is taking historical characters from other works and making them discuss this basic bitch moralfag arguments. F/SN has dates during a holy grail war so I think it's more stupid than pretentious.

>>715511270

>literal japslop
>people pretend is some high art
lmao

I mostly liked Fate/Zero due to Kirei and Gilgamesh.

>>715514131
Gil never took a side in regards to that question did he? he just kept laughing at Saber. Iskandar just screamed, boasted and showed off with his NP which made smooth-brains believe he had to be in the right.

>>715513436
>This is like a cat beating a human because the human felt sluggish that day.
It can happen if the human is tired, sick and hasn't eaten in days, they underestimate the cat, the cat is a veteran in fighting other cats and someone decided to give the cat sharp steel claws and teeth.

>>715514426
Stop

>>715479990
>people who have only heard of Prisma Illya calling her a shit character
>me, having read the VN, who can only see her as my doomed little sister who can never be happy

>>715514131
That scene really highlights how Urobuchi didn't get Saber at all, and it pisses me off how many smoothbrained secondaries consider it one of the best in the show.
I'm conviced it's one of the reasons Nasu made Fate/Zero basically non canon.

>>715514329
well he openly mocked Saber while having no issue with Iskandar, so he kinda did take a side.

>>715514131
>Iskander was forced to give up on world conquest because his own army wanted to go home
>Saber was so just a king, that her knights were so devoted to the point those who betrayed her like Lancelot were maddened by grief
>Berserker's final thoughts emphasise this
Iskander was clearly in the wrong. The point is that Saber is so regretful over the fall of Camelot that she can't stand up for herself. Her entire arc is claiming the grail to erase herself from history and give the role to someone "more worthy".

I only wish there'd been a bit in F/Z where Berserker got to slap Rider a little as if there'd been a perceived sleight.

>people who only ever watched a shitty anime pretending they played the videogame
why is every VN thread like this on this board?

>>715514529
It's even funnier how normalfags agree with the tyranical despot over the just king because the despot is more likeable.
Meanwhile the argument is retarded because what determines a king is if you have the power to hold that position not if you care about your subjects. That's why I consider it pretentious, they aren't addressing the nature of power which is what even grants one that position.

>>715514708
I'll take it over people who haven't read or watched it at all.

I love Fate so much...
Is there any rip off that isn't complete slop except Dies Irae? Fortissimo was so sloppy I am amazed it got a sequel.

>>715480314
Make sure you get VN's in the right genre. Read the Utawarerumono trilogy or something.

I am convinced only people who like VNs are ADHD zoomers who can't even read a book, every single VN is dogshit

>>715514131
>>715514529
>>715514764

Saberfags cant comprehend fate/zero and make up headcanons to discredit it when nasu himself came up with the banquet.

That's not even what happened and wasn't Saber's reaction. You just have delusional fanfiction idea of how you think she should act.
Saber can never say anything there that would "own" the other kings, she is the one with regrets and uncertainties and insecurity.
She needs Japanese teenager to fix her, the other guys dont.

>I'm conviced it's one of the reasons Nasu made Fate/Zero basically non canon.
It's canon and Nasu didnt make it non-canon, youre really smoothbrained if you think this and have to ignore every interview and material out there. You will never understand Saber because you see her only as waifu to defend.

>>715514764
It could have made for a very interesting discussion, but no, Urobuchi decided that Saber was the "pure moe anime girl" despite FSN making it clear that she had no issues sacrificing entire villages to get the supplies for her army and that she basically became a machine that always made "the best choice for the greater good of Britain" more than a human.
Which has many parallels to Kiritsugu and would have made for a very interesting dynamic with him but no, she has to be a moralfag because Urobuchi is an illiterate idiot.

>>715515428
No, Nasu explicitly said that Fate Zero is "not exactly canon" as a prequel to FSN, and it sits in its own timeline that nobody touched (stuff like Waver and Iskander are canon, though)

>>715515428
I'm not saying that Saber has to own them or anything, I understand that, I just hate how she comes across and Urobuchi has declared in interviews that "he didn't get her" so you can shut up, because the man himself contradicts what you are saying.
Also, expressing disappointment at how a nuanced character get flattened because another author didn't understand them is not "seeing her only as a waifu to defend", you useless projecting retard.

>>715515718
No he didnt say that stop lying you little worm. He didnt say that and he didnt mean anything supporting your narrative.
Fate/zero is the only version of fourth holy grail war that exists or will ever exist. It's also on every official timeline presented by Type-moon, kindly fuck off.

Saber is the only one that comes across favorably in the Banquet. Gilgamesh and Iskander don't care about moral or ethical goods when dealing with kings as a concept. They only care about it as a means for them to wield power and think the state should serve their whims. Saber comes from a position of caring about the people and the duty she thinks nobility has towards them, which is a much more admirable position. It's two egomaniacs criticizing her for not being perfect but trying is still far better than either of their positions morally speaking.

>still haven't gotten past like day 5 or whenever Shirou asks about secret moves in the fate route within the 2 years since I picked up F/SN
I dont know why, I blitzed through Turkeyhandle and KT within a month back to back

>>715516014
>The worlds of Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero are different parallel worlds, as revealed in TYPE-MOON Ace Vol. 10.
Cope and seethe, retard

>>715515874
>Urobuchi has declared in interviews that "he didn't get her"

why do you losers keep lying and posting fake statements to support your false interpretations?
No he didn't say he didn't get her, Nasu praised him for getting her and noticing things. Unlike you i dont need to lie.
>expressing disappointment at how a nuanced character
You are the one who is trying to flatten her, you being a waifufag are offended on her behalf and can't tolerate her being bullied (Nasu's idea), she is nuanced and those nuances include her flaws and insecurities, but you can't take it because youre a delusional waifufag.

Nothing you say is going to change the fact that it's canon, it was Nasu's idea and Nasu supervised and approved everything in Fate/Zero. Only other sabefags can give you validation to your delusion.

>>715516210
Posting a wiki entry that doesnt even say what you are saying? Try harder little bro.

>>715516284
This sounds more right when you consider the scenes with Saber suddenly being moe. Liking a stuffed lion is nice, and caring for Ilya is even nicer. Being afraid of her "unsightly body" that's as slim as a supermodel is just embarrassing. And I'm saying this as someone who loves Saber & Shirou. Shirou's protectiveness of Saber as a girl can still exist in his own headspace since it's coming from a lunatic who wants to sacrifice himself before inconveniencing anyone else, and it's something that he grows out of as his bond with Saber deepens, but I'm glad we can have a laugh at it

>Nasu said!
>No, Nasu said!
>No no, Nasu said!
>No no no...

>>715516559
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>take king arthur and make it a woman slut
bravo nasu, truly groundbreaking

>>715516284
Why are you so convinced that my issue with Saber's handling is that "she gets bullied" despite already saying that's not my issue?
As I said, it's the way she comes across, as a naive idealist who has yet to face the "real world", rather than someone broken by her experience by trying to always do the right thing for her kingdom. Iskander answer would work just as well, but the tone would be completely different.
Also, of course Nasu was happy, have you seen the butchery that usually happens when authors handle works from other authors? That Urobuchi managed to get 90% of things right is impressive, still doesn't change that 10% of things he got wrong.

>>715516629
you don't get it some random schumck believed King Arthur was secretly a woman so it's ok, there's even a real King Arthur in FGO

>>715517000
>it's the way she comes across
She comes across just fine
And she is an idealist, that's why she grabbed the sword and continued till the end to be the "perfect foreveralone king"
Fact is you just cant accept your own interpretation of the scene, which is what it is, it's your interpretation and not what's actually there. Urobuchi didn't do anything wrong there. Iskandar was supposed to come out on top there by design - Nasu's own design.

>Urobuchi: “Speaking of, what is the fourth war about?”
>Nasu: “Hum – Saber getting bullied by Gilgamesh and Alexander!”
>I answered unceremoniously.
>In my mind, there are two main points in the fourth Heaven’s Feel.
>One is Saber’s setback.
>King Arthur, who ruled her people as the model human. The selfless and devoted, just and uncorrupted Artoria.
>The absolute commander who surpassed mortals, the majestic Gilgamesh.
>And the extravert king, whom some called a tyrant, but still held his belief that he’ll bring his people to happiness. The King of Conquerors, Alexander, who ruled the world as a man.
>Using the intensive conflict between the three to unravel Saber’s story in Zero.

Zerolords own this franchise because their show is the only good thing to ever come out of it (besides Salter).

>Saber regrets not being able to save Britain from destruction
>therefore makes a deal to become a Servant and get a chance to have the Grail grant her wish of someone else pulling Caliburn out of the rock and become king
>in the Fate route, she sees how selflessly Shirou acts which in turn inspires her to abandon her selfish wish and accepting the past. This newfound completeness of her character is symbolized by Shirou being/having the literal sheath to her sword
Is there more to her character than that? Aside obviously from also being a cute girl. Is it really worth it to microanalyze every single fucking thing, especially when Schlorwig Hufflepuff's exposition in FGO Act 8, chapter 4 ,line 126 could potentially retcon it anyway?

>>715517394
>Iskandar was supposed to come out on top there by design - Nasu's own design.
>Why are you so convinced that my issue with Saber's handling is that "she gets bullied" despite already saying that's not my issue?
Are you unironically retarded?
Anyway, it's not just that scene. Do you want to talk about when she lets Diarmund go to the defense of his master, endangering her own? Or when she goes off against Kiritsugu for making Kayneth kill Diarmund? Compare that to FSN: would the Saber that was all "muh honor" in Zero do things like blitz FSN Archer before he could even bring out his swords? Or kill his now defensless teenage master despite knowing that killing the servant should be enough, just to be sure?

>>715478443
The fundamental rule of VN and LN adaptations to manga/anime in general is that you will be missing a lot of internal thoughts, deeper explanations and overall context to various things, how much is missing varies per adaptation. Sometimes you get something like Steins;Gate where you'll get the gist, just not the super in-depth meat. Sometimes you get Sword Art Online where Kirito pulls powers out of his ass with no explanation almost all the time, which were at least explained in the LNs.

Fuck man, it's not even about the quality of the source material. Fate ended up decently with the Ufotable stuff even if it lost a lot of the details and became more of a pretty light show based on big moments rather than anything all that in-depth. But some of these adaptations, ESPECIALLY a fuck ton of the modern isekai ones, just cheap out and shit out so fucking badly.

>>715518141
>Do you want to talk about when she lets Diarmund go to the defense of his master

Yes lets talk about that if you want to talk about how Saber was about to reveal her name to the enemy assassin just because he revealed his, because of her "chivalric code" and that was in FSN.
Yes doing what Kiritsugu did to Kayneth goes against her morals and ethics, this is written everywhere, this is written in materials written by Nasu himself. Stop repeating these debunked talking points from saberfags.Heard them 100 times before.

>Saber’s ability is maximally unleashed while engaging in an honourable face-to-face single combat. It is a method of battle that is full of chivalric honour, and it is also one that suits Saber's sense of aesthetics. [..]. Naturally, Saber despises cowardly actions, strategies or not. For this reason, in the Fourth Holy Grail War, her compatibility with the cool-headed, achieving-his-goal-at-all-cost Master Emiya Kiritsugu was the worst. - Nasu

>he Saber that was all "muh honor" in Zero do things like blitz FSN Archer
Yes. Again you misinterpret things. Saber acted like a knight should, she needed to defend her master from enemy servant and master. In F/z She goes after Rider and waver like a mad dog and excaliblasts them into their face.

Sorry but every existing description of Saber from author contradicts your interpretation.

Here's some more:

>Fostered as the 「king of the next era」 since she was very young by Ector, who thoroughly drummed into her the path of chivalry since her childhood, she acquired an insight and a composure above her age.
>Although she faced a tragic end, she has no regrets about the honor of a king and of chivalry she believes in, and has a firm conviction.

>>715518872
Oh let me add this for saberfags to remember:
>"...Hold on, Saber.
>You said any means possible, right? Does that mean you do not care what measures you take to win the war? For example, attacking people to gain pow―――"

>I cannot finish.
>Saber is looking at me like I'm an enemy.

"Shirou, that is not a possibility.
>I can only do those things I will allow myself to do. I cannot betray my beliefs. It is against the knight's oath to hurt those who are unarmed."

>"But I must obey if you order so. In that case, you will have to use one of your Command Spells to compensate for treading inside me."
>I am overwhelmed by her angered voice.

Think about that before you post about how she is ruthless and burning villages (also a myth)

>>715518872
Revealing her name, especially when her master isn't around, only endangered herself, and exchanging names is common among warriors of all cultures.
Letting the enemy servant go to the side of his master when your master is engaged in 1v1 combat with him is naive and moronic, not honorable (and, in fact, interfering against a 1v1 that both sides decided to enter combat willingly is in fact against the honor code of many cultures). I'm sorry but I will never excuse that scene.
>Yes. Again you misinterpret things. Saber acted like a knight should, she needed to defend her master from enemy servant and master. In F/z She goes after Rider and waver like a mad dog and excaliblasts them into their face.
Because Iri was in danger. She doesn't seem in a particular hurry to "behave like a knight" when it's about protecting Kiritsugu. Which is why I called her behaviour "Muh honor", the kind of "honor" that exist only in the minds of edgy teenagers so that their Donut Steel "Too cool 4 rulez" can be all cool and edgy by ridiculing it. Actual honor is another thing entirely (and FSN Saber is actually honorable).

>>715519587
... it's not a myth? It's literally said in the VN during a flashback at some point (can't be bothered to look it up).
Also I didn't said she burned them (why would she, it was her villages), she simply took everything from them to resupply her army.

>>715518132
There's a bit more nuance. It's about being able to live a life without regret and accept the broken parts of you, and Saber's story uses the contrast between man and idealised myth to do that.

Her wish to have someone else become king stems from the idea that just because she failed, then she is a total failure without valour. The truth the narrative is leading you to is that she did as good a job as could possibly be done, because even if someone else wouldn't have made the same mistakes, they'd still have made mistakes. The important part was having someone with the strength of body and heart to try.

The most important scene is arguably the Church confrontation in the Fate route, where Kirei offers the grail to Shirou and Saber if they join him.
>in the Fate route, she sees how selflessly Shirou acts which in turn inspires her to abandon her selfish wish and accepting the past
That's not what Shirou does. What he does is he comes to finally accept his own shortcomings and pain. He is a fuck-up, he is broken inside, he is far from the person he wishes to be, and that is okay. To pretend he should start over is to desecrate all the good in this life and all the good within him. He is his scars and that's worth accepting. That is true for Saber too. It is not worth humouring the idea of a better 'other' since, for among the many faults of assuming such, it takes away from the good in your life. She is the Knight King. She has lived a life that granted a century of prosperity and inspired the most noble knights of Britain. It's not the eternal utopia she sought at first, but it is enough.

I don't think that's hyperanalysing to say, and I think that's useful wisdom to a good life.

>>715519858
>Revealing her name, especially when her master isn't around, only endangered herself,
Now youre just trolling to cope. Do you know what premise Fate even is? Do you think wer are retarded here?

Servant's identity is incredibly important and knowing it gives the opponent advantage. In-fact here is what Saber herself says about revealing the name, so you dont get to minimize it like its nothing. And ofcourse if it endangers her its a problem for her master too.

>Saber's voice in reply is heavy.
>For her, it is too risky to state her true name.
>She cannot reveal her true name no matter what torture she receives, and she has no intention of revealing it.
>――But that is only for the sake of victory.
>She cannot disgrace the faith of the knight for such a thing.

"She cannot reveal her true name no matter what torture she receives" and she reveals it anyway because of "muh honor". Its not the "no big deal" that you are trying to play it off as. It is naive and moronic to reveal your identity and put herself in disadvantage, which she literally admits will do.

The deal with Diarmuid actually is much more justifiable. Because Diarmuid at that point already saved her twice and fought with her, which he didnt have to. They had true honorable bond and she trusted him he wouldnt take advantage of the trust. Diarmuid couldve let Caster kill her while going off and killing Kiritsugu if he was a dishonorable man.
You dont get it.
>Because Iri was in danger.
So you are agreeing with me. You are contradicting yourself and moving goalposts like a clown, and the author disagrees with you in materials and in the VN. You have nothing just false narratives and talking points.

>she simply took everything from them to resupply her army
Yes and what's wrong with that? She evacuated them and protected the country? "Wow so inhumane and ruthless, just like Kiritsugu!" Lmao kys

Self insert protagonist. Nasu and Takeuchi wanted to fuck white woman so they wrote a story where some random fuckoff japanese teenager is secretly OP and defeats King Arthur, Hercules, and Gilgamesh.
>b-b-but he likes swords
Everyone likes swords.
>b-b-b-but he's mentally ill
Nasu is mentally ill.

>>715503794
He was buffer. Rin didn’t buff herself so she could take that bitch by surprise

>>715508242
What am I supposed to be seeing here

>>715513924
I provide the structure to my swords, much like a skeleton does a person

>>715478443
>>715480076
The VN is the same shit, fags ITT are just coping. They'll tell you to just read the VN but will make no good arguments against any of your qualms, instead they just regurgitate Nasu's excuses thinking that's good enough.
The story likes to pretend it has rules, only to immediately break them using circumstances, exceptions, luck, unforeseen factors etc. as excuses. It does this constantly.
And no, Shirou does not stop being an annoying fag, except it's even worse in the VN because you have to keep listening to his thoughts where he constantly repeats himself and makes you hate him more. "But he's crazy, that's the point!" is just an excuse for bad writing, much like with everything else in this story.

>>715520615
>It's about being able to live a life without regret and accept the broken parts of you
I think that's what the banquet discussion in Fate/Zero was trying to say, as lacking as it may have been on the topic of actually ruling.

>>715520793
You do know that the original draft of the story was about a Japanese girl being fucked by King Arthur while also being liked by a bunch of other male heroes, right?

>>715522203
Nasu is a woman

>>715521085
Here's what should have happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXp4zdhtyU I don't know where this is from but seeing consequences for his actions makes this my favorite route instantly.

>>715483657
it's kino

>>715478443
>How good is the VN compared to the anime?
The anime adaptations are good, especially for the spectacle, but the VN is still unmatched as far as the character writing and actually exploring the themes of the story and the worldbuilding. If you have not read the VN you still don't really know Fate/stay night.
> Does the VN justify Shirous ridiculous plot armor
He dies in like 40 bad endings so yeah, there is no "plot armor"
>does he think everything through before doing his suicide charges
Sometimes he does, other times he is just being suicidally self-sacrifical because that's a huge part of his character, like how do you not get that that's what lead to Archer existing?
Sometimes I think UBW anime did a pretty good job but there's always retards who can't think of anything beyond a surface level, who still probably wouldn't get it even reading the VN.

>>715480527
>a normal human
he's not
How do you niggers read so much Nasu shit but still fail to grasp even the basics of it (like yes, humans CAN absolutely defeat Servants under the right circumstances) after all these years holy fuck

>>715503794
He was buffed by Medea, and Rin was using reinforcement magecraft against Caster. Read the fucking VN.

>mogs every F/SN fight in your path
and all it took was a few seconds

>>715523381
Nah

>>715523414
Shirou wishes he was as chad as Soujuurou

>>715523523
Soujuurou wishes he could talk back to the two bitches running his life

>>715523285
Because one character said that humans can’t beat servants so people take it as a hard law of the universe

Olga > Saber

>>715523190
>He dies in like 40 bad endings so yeah, there is no "plot armor"
Just because he dies in bad ends doesn't make the true route any less fantastical. Let me remind you this guy survived 1v1 encounters with Lancer/Rider/Archer/Caster/Gilgamesh/Kuzuki in UBW alone. Without any plan or strategy or anything besides plot mguffin keeping him alive through fatal strikes. Plot bends over backwards to save Shirou in contrived situations so often that I cannot take him seriously, especially when he does not learn from his mistakes.

> like how do you not get that that's what lead to Archer existing
You're using the contrived narrative to defend the contrivances of said narrative. I don't give a fuck. All I want is Cause (retarded suicide charge after Rider) and Effect (Gets his head blown off in 10 seconds). How do you not understand that?

>>715523689
dumbass

>>715523721
I accept your concession fanboy

>>715523689
>he dies but it doesn’t count because you can choose options where he doesn’t die

>>715523570
just because Shirou can talk back to the two bitches running his life doesn't mean they're not running his life

>>715523805
Rin is Shirou's bitch, not the other way around. He just lets her thinks she runs anything while he does whatever he wants.

>>715477392
There's over 40 bad ends

>>715523805
Taiga would like to have a word with you

>>715523801
that's the thing, he doesn't die when he should and not because of your choices

>>715523689
>Plot bends over backwards to save Shirou in contrived situations so often that I cannot take him seriously
Agreed.
>"It's over, I have one strike or minute left before I faint or die"
>Proceeds to fight for like ten minutes anyways
>"It's over, I can't move my body anymore"
>Proceeds to stand up and continue fighting
>It's over, it'll take me several days to heal without Saber, I can't fight anymore"
>Proceeds to go out and fight anyways
>"It's over, I can't use my power anymore or it'll break me"
>Proceeds to use his power several times anyways and survives

>>715478443
The VN is entirely 1st person, and all the bad ends, sone which are absolutely nightmare fuel, are too
Some are only achieved by acting rational like most Frodo posters love to post about

>>715523943
don't forget
>It's over, it's hopeless, my magical energy is spent, my arms are broken, I can't even move an inch
>enemy goes "Hmph" and just leaves

>>715523943
>>715524046
And when was this?

>>715523943
I hate Nasu's prose so much sometimes. It artifically raises stakes. It tells you how to feel by telling you exactly how they are, to an extreme degree, and then says "lolno" without earning it. You can have your twists, but don't build them on broken premises.

>>715524247
Gilgamesh when he showed up after the Saber date.

>>715524247
It's literally every fight, nigga. You know when Gilgamesh decides not to kill everyone in UBW when it would have been easy to just because there was a fire that wouldn't have even inconvenienced him? Isn't that just lucky for our protagonists?

>>715524287
You mean the type they figured out Avalon?

>>715524247
Gilgamesh, Fate route. After returning the blow of Merodach with Avalon, Gil, who is fuming with unending rage, looking at two people almost dead on their feet, just sort of walks away.

>>715524320
I’m not your nigga

>>715524320
Yes, they are lucky Gilgamesh is Gilgamesh
Btw, did you know there's a bad end there if they choose not to reveal themselves?

>>715524347
Yes, and? Do you think Avalon is a free noble phantasm that Artoria can just use endlessly?

>>715524497
Actually, yes
It's not even a noble fantasm, it's the real deal

>>715523931
There are so many forces at work in real life that we cannot possibly comprehend. I’m alive because I slept in a different room when the hurricane passed through last year

>it's another Zero secondary getting filtered by actual Fateshit episode

>>715509985
we've gone through so many years of "HGW, but with a twist!" I don't think the public is very interested in having a normal one anymore. Now that I think about it, even stay/night wasn't a "proper" grail war. having a prequel of the 2nd and the 3rd fuyuki wars would be pretty cool honestly.

>>715524837
There is no such thing as a proper grail war

>>715524598
I get your point, of course miracles/good fortune happens. It wouldn't even be a problem if he only survived through the skin of his teeth. But how often is the problem. My threshold is 1-2 times at most not 6 or more. It's unbelievable.

With Shirou I think the writer let herself bail him out too many times which hurts the story.

as a fate thread

anyone find fate samurai remnant kinda....disappointing? it was yet another anime game where fucking NOTHING happens until the ending and then suddenly that's it.

>>715524470
Isn't it convenient that Gilgamesh is precisely this extreme in this way?

>>715524837
There has never been a normal grail war in the franchise. Hell, FSN mocks the concept of a proper grail war since the game has always been rigged by some party or another. It has always been a sham that different people try to take advantage of.

>>715523943
>>715524046
>>715524271
Tsukihime is like this as well desu
>Shiki says he only has 3 minutes at most before he freezes to death while fighting Vlov
>He then proceeds to fight him way more than 3 minutes
>Even repeats the "I only have 3 minutes left" during the fight again like the last few minutes didn't count for some reason

>>715524953
It was... fine.
The musou controls don't work without musou level design imo
Making it a normal action game with musou controls was a mistake

>>715525025
Yes, the story is indeed written that way
How enlightened of you

>>715471119 (OP)
Who even gives a shit about this gay ass grail war? How undeveloped do you have to be to risk your own life and the lives of your friends and family for a stupid wish? I'd rather go on dates with Rider or go grill on the beach with my summoned bro from history, fuck these wizard politics.

>>715525137
Extremely based

>>715525137
>moment later anon was found dead with his hand cut off

>>715525137
the hollow ataraxia sigma grindset

>>715525076
story was kinda lame and yeah combat sucked ass. it was so button mashy it's crazy. just do nothing except combos to break stagger then unga bunga. then again...... and again.... and again....

>>715524837
I wouldn't want a prequel because most characters would just die, would they not? They talk about previous wars and how cruel they were with everyone just killing each other like they were some killing machines. Sounds like despairslop with most interesting characters dying and the MC realizing it was all for nothing at the end.

>>715525124
The story is written paper thin, carried by a thread. Do you understand that contrivance does not equate to consistency? When a story relies on characters being fickle or stupid, they are not trying to convey something reasonable, they are trying to give themselves easy escapes from obvious conclusions. They have made their motives transparent. Gilgamesh didn't finish the heroes off in the mansion because he was honestly bothered by the fire, he did it because the writer didn't want his big setpiece fight between Shirou and Gilgamesh to happen yet. When he relies on crutches like that, the writer makes his intentions transparent, thus hurting the story. That's why contrivance is generally considered bad. Do you understand that? No amount of reddit-level smartassery on your end is gonna change that.

Will pic related ever come out?
Will the Mahoyo anime ever come out?
Will Mahoyo 2 and 3 ever release?
Will Tsukihime Remake Part 2 ever get finished?
I hate how long it takes them to release anything and now they're focused on remastering/remaking everything.

>>715525732
I thought Richards show is already out

>>715516284
>Ryougi has a male personality
>Arcueid is a tomboy with 0 princess-like qualities
>Saber lived as a man for so long she's barely a woman
is Nasu gay?

>>715480314
Read muv luv

>>715524953
I've only played the demo and it seemed alright. Downloaded the full game on my Deck, tried it, saw that cutscenes were being atomatically skipped for whatever reason, looked around and found out the game is broken on a Deck even though it's "verified." Anyway, that sounds disappointing. Does it at least have some good character moments and interactions?

>>715525603
>nobody has ever acted illogically

>>715525887
>cuck shit

>>715525603
Do you understand how asinine your whole argument is
ALL stories are contrived, all of them
Especially if they're romance based, like fate is
You're a philistine who thinks he's so smart cause you're oh so logical and enlightened but you fail to see that all stories don't have to be rational to be good, so long as it makes sense in the story anyone will suspend disbelief
Never write anything, cause I bet it would be as dry as sandpaper

>>715525864
They showed episode 1 last year. They'll show episode 2 next month. So we're getting 1 episode per year. Can't wait to see the conclusion in 2036.

Personally I Just want to see something Tsukihime related post-Melty Blood saga,I want to see what the fuck "dark six" was going to be about and potentially have Altrouge debut at last before Nasu croaks

>>715526108
lol wtf

>>715480314
>want to get into vns
>all the ones considered the best last like 100-300 hours and are often split between multiple games

>>715471119 (OP)
I picked the Gil ending in Fate Samurai

>>715479179
Nta but I'm reading that one right now on book 2. I'm glad Tom is back. It's an alright book but the main character adamantly refusing to trust the woman who has kept him alive on a long ass journey and instead trusting an obviously sketchy bitch he met in a weird world pisses me off.

>>715480314
like this guy disappeared, but what is it that you even want to read?

>>715525865
Or a woman

>>715523805
Why is it that male MCs getting metaphorically slapped around by the women around them is such an inalienable part of the TM experience? KnK, Tsukihime, Fate, and Mahoyo all had this.

>>715525603
You’re one of those plotholefags that likes to pretend characters making mistakes is a flaw in the writing

>>715514764
it actually proves how OP charisma as a skill is. manipulative tyrants can make you bend over voluntarily but an uncharismatic benevolent ruler can't.

>>715525603
It seems fatefags are just coping at this point. I don't think it's possible to be any more clear. A good story does not rely on plot contrivance to save the MC. No not all stories do this like >>715526087 is trying to claim Some come up with believable things, like a plan or a secret move or some mind game instead of villain got bored lol, he's just too smug lol, MC is too dumb to die lol

>>715524953
>Starless came out after Bible Black even though the lyrics of the song go "Starless and Bible Black"
What did he mean by this?

>>715515428
secondaryfag spotted. go read the source material or at least the interviews instead of spewing reddit nonsense

>>715526697
True to life

>>715516014
lmao seething secondary. go jack off to morgan and other LB6 incel faes alongside ledditors

>>715526706
bitch nigger no, he's saying MISTAKES should have CONSEQUENCES that don't get undone by the writer.

>>715514764
>It's even funnier how normalfags agree with the tyranical despot over the just king because the despot is more likeable
The modern west is a place that glorifies ignorance ("based retards") and charisma and demonizes logical intelligence. When men were stronger and more principled, the kinds of leaders we have today would have been stoned out of town.

>>715526929
>give up the grail war
>die
Seems like consequences to me

>>715527105
How do bad ends affect the real main plot? They are easter eggs nothing more.

>>715517908
zerolards are looked down by anyone who's moderately aware of nasuverse. go flex your fake superiority in facebook gronps

>>715523381
fuck nasu for abandoning this kino and wasting more resources on fgayo

>>715514329
>showed off with his NP which made smooth-brains believe he had to be in the right.
That's because that scene was a BTFO of saber. Dying alone for ideas? Lol. Being able to summon your entire army of diehards from the dead because you inspired them? That's a leader

>>715471119 (OP)
>Hey Mera, let's stop and kiss in the middle of a battle that will decide the fate of mankind

>>715527184
Tell me more about how you used a walkthrough

God this sucked

>>715524953
God that game enrages me. Especially when people act like Iori had any character whatsoever.
>Iori, you were born in the wrong era...
Spends the entire game just being everyone's good little errand boy except in one ng+ exclusive ending where he says he likes fighting a lot. Cool. Ok.

>>715527271
Even if it does make a comeback, it'll most likely be as anime movies, which just saddens me.

>>715527514
after HF, ufo is just for pretty animation and shitty retellings of nasuverse stories

>>715527491
>dies like a retard in that ending too
>never gets his homonculus waifu in any of the endings. (the one where she actually full crushes on him is the one where she fucking dies)
wtf

>>715526009
The meat grinder

>>715527514
What was the latest non-Fate thing we got? Remakes?

WHERE IS FATE EXTRA YOU FUCKER

>>715527579
Ufotable will probably come back to it once they're done with Demon Slayer slop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGSJUm6Eq2M

>>715527662
Mahoyo re-release on consoles in 2022 and Tsukihime remake in 2021. Now both franchises are put on hold for more Fateslop remasters, remakes and FGO

Saber was in fact worse girl

>>715526087
All stories contrived...Do you honestly believe that? Christ, man, have you even read many other stories? Because I've seen when a writer works really hard to not only tell an ambitious story, but go out of his way to earn his big payoffs, and warts and all, those stories are beautiful. Fate has plenty of good in it, but that's no reason to dismiss its bad with such abrasive defensiveness. That just makes it obvious your ego is bruised, you know.

>>715526775
I don't see what they're so insecure over. There are plenty of stories that manage to be loveable or even great despite their flaws. I still like Fate a lot, I just think it's good to tell when one technique works and one doesn't. That's how anyone can appreciate the good in Fate, after all. Ah well

>>715527898
Rin is best girl but Saber is still better than S*kura

at least it's not as retarded as apocrypha

>>715527845
Here
https://youtu.be/QmJvdsu3Sp4?si=Ql7HM19MbUTyk7AP&t=223
>>715527898
nah, that's sakura

>>715527949
How do you fix Apocrypha? I'm just glad it's an independent spinoff.

>>715527914
Yes, that is the premise of most stories
They're contrived to produce drama
It just has to be pulled in a way it doesn't break your suspension of disbelief

>>715524837
2nd one was a murderfest that didn't achieve anything, but I guess the story of how Tohsaka master scored with twins could be worth telling.

>>715485231
How did she job in Zero?
She defeated Caster and Berserker and didn't really lose to anyone.

How did you discover fate?

>>715528058
he just banged one of them, anon
the other fucked off back to finland

>>715524953
After Extella games I didn't even played it. Any musou is just trash.

>>715527934
Saber is best girl, followed by Sakura in a very distant 2nd place. Rin isn't bad by any means but she's a little boring.

>>715528039
Remove MC and make Jeanne the protagonist

>>715528079
Kerry was a dumbass

>>715528178
>likes sakura
>wants to say rin is boring

>>715528128
Gigguk

>>715528129
I choose to believe he only got one to stay, but banged both of them.

>Saber can bypass Issei's misogyny aura
Probably the most miraculous thing she ever did honestly.

>>715528079
She lost to Lancer who cut her arms tendon, meaning no Excalibur blast. She was basically fucked. She needed to be saved by Lancer from Casters minions. She was getting manhandled by Berserker until his master died.

>>715528309
You just have to not be a bitch

>>715528128
Watched the animus

>>715528128
Seeing FSN threads on /a/ but I didn't bother looking into it for a long time. And then FGO became Unlimited Money Works yet most new things surrounding Fate aren't all that interesting.

>>715528128
hentai

>>715528259
no male tohsaka can pull that much ass
their women are all sluts though

>>715528128
I think it was Zeros fight between Saber and Lancer on YT that got me interested.

>>715528309
So can Ayako
She's one of the three women Issei is okay with Shirou ending up with.

>>715528128
I played it after I got done playing tsukihime and found out the guy who wrote that wrote another VN, like 12 years ago

>>715528234
sorry Nasu, but rin is boring from a characterization stand point and she also has the most boring romance with shirou

>>715528128
StarCraft custom map called We Are Friend. It was kind of an anime spellcasting brawler sort of map, very intricate and high skill, a progenitor to the arena battle games that would later become the MOBA genre.
It had Archer EMIYA and Gilgamesh as selectable characters, throwing swords at other people in various ways. The bottom left corner of the map was Unlimited Blade Works, a place EMIYA could drag other players into to massacre them. Very fun. Old memories.

>>715528342
You underestimate the intensity of his misogyny. His aura is like the Unreachable Utopia but against everything that has two X chromosomes.

>>715528489
did you find shiki to be as much of a unintelligable schizo as i did?

>>715528320
>Lancer cut her tendon
Yeah that's what happens when one of Nasu's weapons actually works as written. A lance that ignores magical armor? Surprising that it did that unlike Gae Bolg

Rin had actual chemistry with Archer but not Emiya I blame Shirou for everything.

>>715528687
You didn't read the VN. There was zero sexual tension between Rin and Archer.

>>715483657
Why is the gacha community having a collective meltdown over this Fate collab?

>>715528746
then why was she blushing every 2 seconds in the anime with him, did the animation studio lie to me?

>>715483819
FSN character being sacrificed on the altar of gachashit yet again

Is this kusoge still worth reading

>>715529010
gif not related?

>>715475162
wtf is that writing

>>715525067
Something hilarious about Tsukihime is how the characters will bring up his anemia 45 minutes after we've seen Shiki pull off something like picrel
His anemia only existed for the intro I guess

>>715529010
It's just fanservice meant to make you go "wow, so cute!" You literally see him through her eyes at the beginning of the VN and not once does she think "damn, wish he'd clap my cheeks".

The anime also misses out on her funny inner monologue during the scene very early on where Shinji tries to hit on her.

>>715471119 (OP)
Saber breeding rituals to permanently remove mana upkeep forever.

>>715529347
it's not really anemia is the thing

>>715529323
It is KINO. Stay in your cuckshed if you cannot appreciate it.

>>715529252
there are plenty, I'm just showing you they really did make them seem compatible, perhaps as foreshadowing...

>>715529532
KINOku Nasu

>tfw it's impossible to find OG saber stuff because they just use f/gay O Sabers instead
NO BIG BOOBS SABER IS NOT THE SAME AS SABER FUCK YOUUU

>>715529678
how i feel about nu-final fantasy vii

>>715529643
Of course you can't forget the most infamous quote to take out of context, especially when it's not even in FSN.

>>715528746
Is it an anime only scene when Shirou complained that he's kind of short for a guy, but Rin said he won't have to worry about that because she knows he'll grow taller and become more handsome in the future because Rin already figured out Archer is Shirou?

>>715529643
Nasu woke up one day and thought "I want to have sex with King Arthur except I'm King Arthur and the reader fucks me!"

>>715529802
all he had to do was tell her what he liked

>>715529806
I think so. I don't remember any line like that from the VN.

>>715528128
Heard about it on anime forums. Saw the DEEN anime shortly after it aired. Down the rabbit hole I went.

>>715530198
Was it OOC for her to initiate sex in HA?

>>715529831
Originally it was "I want King Arthur to fuck me", but Takeuchi intervened for profit's sake.

>>715530432
no?

>>715530432
Not by HA, no. She's his live-in NEET girlfriend by that point. Fucking Shirou is part of enjoying her retirement.

>>715530448
Takeuchi is a prophet, and he made sure his divine vision was realized.

>>715525962
>Does it at least have some good character moments and interactions?
It had some tsukihime tier edgykino character moments, interactions were FGO tier
I found the whole "being born in the wrong era" the most interesting part of it but it takes waaay too long to go deeper and when it actually happens the game fucking ends. FSR would've been much better if it was just a classic action game with only 2 playable characters

>>715530601
Whoever wrote that H-scene definitely never tried to have sex for real in a bathtub before writing a scene involving sex in a bathtub.

>>715530769
You are correct, but that doesn't mean you are right.

There's another Fate thread that's currently still up

>>715484337

>>715530601
I would love to be a live in neet boyfriend

>>715530769
It's King Arthur he can do things mere mortals can't understand like sticking his dick inside the faucet

>>715526661
>extremely kind and smart lady-killer
>kind boy that turns into a sexy rapist psychopath
>STRONG sword malewife that wants to save and protect girls
>STRONG clueless mountain boy with a dog-like personality
You're right actually, only a woman could come up with this shit

>>715530769
many such cases

>>715531632

>>715527934
>>715528009
what's with people hating Sakura? She's the reason Shirou stopped at half instead of full retard after Kiritsugu died and then later made him stop at low retard in Heaven's Feel.

>>715530769
Shoutouts to the infamous Tohsaka anal scene where the CG shows Shirou to hold on to the sides of Tohsaka's hips like a fucking weirdo, like the sides of her ass rather than holding on to her hips at the top like any normal man would during doggystyle.

>>715531779

>>715531840
you could have left it at anal, shits disgusting

>>715531836
she's boring

>>715481763
There's gotta be more to the Nanaya bloodline considering that it manifests in a second personality that he even talks with in far side

>>715531840
virgin

>>715531840
did you not see how huge rider rin's ass was?