New Vegas bros..............

>>715518267 (OP)
This is your gotcha? What about the magic GECK or fragile as fuck Water Chip? Technology in Fallout can vary wildly.

fallout 3 sisters were literally one shotted by a simple sentence
>what do they eat

>>715518439
>you need to have empty massive farmlands with no Npcs or activities or combat in your game because you just do ok???

my response:

>>715518565
>AI slop

>>715518267 (OP)
how come they have computers but no cars?

>>715518267 (OP)
The tranny game isn't convincing when you take a closer look at it?

Consider me shocked.

>>715518267 (OP)
oh no
there goes the fallout new Vegas legacy as one of the greatest RPGs of all time
so many people are gonna have to update their top 10 favorite games list

>>715518565
Not fat enough.

Those aren't actually plot holes or leaps in logic, just things that happened to happen a certain way in the narrative, you can do the same exact type of post hoc nitpicking of actual real life events
>hurr durr why did Biden nominate a brown woman for his replacement candidate did he want dems to lose the election, this plot makes no sense
And yet he did exactly that, meanwhile when people criticize Bethesda Fallout writing they're pointing out things that would've never naturally occured in real life and are badly written plot contrivances that make no sense inside their own narrative

If for example there was a character in the Legion that advised Caesar on how sensitive dams were and potential ways to sabotage them, yet Caesar acted exactly like he did in the game completely ignoring the advice, then you could say the plot point was nonsensical

>>715518565
they should legalize child porn

>literally the smartest man alive in the fallout universe with an infinite robot printer can't handle dam maintenance and restoration

>>715519190
it is legal in some places

>>715518267 (OP)
Um...
>India with its NOTORIOUSLY CLEAN RIVERS AND INCREDINLY FUNCTIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM THAT IS VERY EXPERIENCED IN PLUMBING couldn't keep a hydroelectric dam functional
>therefore a bunch of people with a much cleaner river who worry about water daily and have already built functional waterways couldn't
Grow the fuck up, saar.

>>715518735
>tranny game
there isnt a single tranny character in new vegas. I dont know why bugthesda fans cling to this phrase so hard.

>>715518516
Yes.

>>715520385
because there is a lot of trannies on twitter and reddit that really like new vegas for some reason

>>715518267 (OP)
>well now Vegas is less protected so I can probe that
It's a valley. The NCR only has one mountain route in from the west. The Legion only has a couple routes in crossing a massive river to the east.
>what happens if literally any force in the world decides to engage in Putin tactics
That's literally what the Legion did. And they can't just breed a new army because they never even bred the first, they captured and integrated tribes and towns. Nobody can even grow enough food to grow a large population anyways without enough water.
>House can't produce his robots faster
House doesn't only have the robots if he wins. Vegas is the most valuable place around and anyone making money in the Mojave and trading in the Mojave has an interest in protecting it. Even the Legion tries to get a cut of all the gun manufacturers and traders. The NCR still exists if House wins too and NCR citizens still come to Vegas to spend their money, and he sells power to California too. Part of House's plan is establishing a mutually beneficial relationship with the NCR, just with him owning the dam instead of them.
Your takedown sucks and you need to replay the game and actually pay attention this time.

>>715522232
even moreso fallout 3 or 4, whats your point

>>715518267 (OP)
I read this in Neil deGrasse Tyson's voice

>>715518267 (OP)
I'm not reading all that, QRD

>>715518267 (OP)
New Vegas troons don't care

>>715518267 (OP)
Cars are run on nuclear energy in Fallout. Whose to say dams don't work differently in this universe?
This is cinemasins levels of nitpicking.

>>715527130
now this makes me wonder why wasn't the dam abandoned way before the war?

>>715518267 (OP)
the whole point of the dam is people want it for power
"why didn't they wreck the dam" is a retarded question

>>715518516
>you need to have empty massive farmlands with no Npcs
Why would the farmlands have no NPCs or Combat? In a fucking post-apocalyptic setting where food is a valuable resource in of itself.

>>715518516
Why not place those farmlands past the invisible walls? So you can see them but dont have to go there

>>715518267 (OP)
Every Fallout game has a dumb plot but the 3D ones are especially dumb and basically devoid of logic. Tranvegas tries harder than 3 and 4 but still fails because it basically makes no sense as OP describes. It also makes very little sense that House has a ton of robots sitting in a bunker for 200 years that are in perfect fighting condition and have no problems whatsoever, meanwhile look at old tanks and other weapons that've been sitting in storage in the US or Russia for just a couple decades. Unless actively maintained they're rusted all to hell and barely useable.

>>715520385
>>715522232
Because the game was made by a wokeoid Californian socialist and is extremely popular with people like him. You legit can't even play New Vegas without having to interact with a truly insufferable group of terminally online individuals.

>>715522772
Detractors staying real quiet with your rebuttal.
>>715518403
>>715519158
Also great points from (You) two anons.

But it's a New Vegas hate thread because it's a troon game or whatever. Reasonable points are to be ignored.

Anyway, who's your guy's favorite NPC? I'm pretty partial to Muggy, as basic bitch an answer is that is. I just feel bad for the poor thing.

>>715528120
>wokeoid Californian socialist
the difference between me and a /pol/toid is that idgaf as long as the game is good

>>715528495
>as long as the game is good
The game isn't good and you're forced to acknowledge the LOL HECCIN WHOLESOME GAY TRANS DOGGERINO among other shit every single time you visit nexus to get the mods necessary to make the piece of shit game even barely function.

>>715527558
>why wasn't (existing supplemental passive energy source) abandoned
The closest the Fallout world ever came to solving energy needs was America inventing the Microfusion Cell, and by that time it was too little too late as the ear with China was already reaching it's inevitable conclusion

>>715518725
They have cars. You just don't see anyone drive them.

>>715518267 (OP)
not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls

>>715518403
whats wrong with the water chip?

>>715529693
It's given up the ghost, We need that chip in 150 days or we'll run out of water Anon.

>>715528639
>The game isn't good
idk man, it's overwhelmingly positive on steam lol and that's even with a crash issue

>>715518267 (OP)
House can also hire mercs to guard the river and watch out for people trying to sabotage it as well as sending securitrons. Even if House sent a lot of them out, New Vegas is basically a walled castle so much easier to defend than take like this anon assumes can just happen. There are factories in New Vegas that operate as of the game, its completely reasonable House could start up more and get manufacturing going through the roof.

i'm not reading that

>>715518267 (OP)
>"b-b-but what if the NCR had a dragonborn and used it to destroy the dam????"-tier argumentation
>random seethe about russians
so this is the power of Fallout 3 shills

stopped reading 2 lines in
dams are literally just an artificial waterfall
the concrete is not going anywhere
the dam is easily fixable, the ncr has 1000s of engineers
in short youre a dumbass nigger and you should be dead

>>715519158
>hurr durr why did Biden nominate a brown woman for his replacement candidate did he want dems to lose the election, this plot makes no sense
you DO realize Biden was forced to step down in favor of the brown woman right? you DO know that that got Biden so pissed he turned around and ruined the election for the Dem too right?

>>715528120
>You legit can't even play New Vegas without having to interact with a truly insufferable group of terminally online individuals.
It's literally a single player game, you delusional retard. God politics broke you morons

>>715519158
It's just an extended idiot plot where everything only has importance because nobody has any sort of militaristic iq above that of a 16 year HOI player. There's no fragmentary internal logic to any of it other than 'this is what people need to believe for the plot to play out the way I want it to'

>>715518267 (OP)
>Dam can sustain 2 centuries of neglect but can't handle a few years of being used and maintained by indians
Yeah checks out.

>>715518267 (OP)
>comparing white people to jeets
SAAAR

>what if we gave birth to a million children and raised them to be zealots and zerg rushed the securitrons
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've seen in a story critique and I've seen some pretty dumb shit in these.

In fact its inclusion is so stupid I have to assume it's dumb on purpose and this is a false flag to make toddrones look stupid, which no one really needs to do.

>>715530951
It's a singleplayer game that doesn't even work unless you download 15 plugins made by a schizo trans brony

>>715533083
lmao it has a crash bug but it is NOT that bad. Jeet.

It's a hydroelectric dam, it's not rocket science. The NCR has bespoke nuclear power plants; they can fix some water turbines.

>>715533268
The vanilla game is locked to 60 fps and stutters like shit.

>>715518267 (OP)
>dump stuff into lake Mead
The NCR needs the dam you moron, destroying it is the last thing they want
Not to mention the NCR is a democracy, if a president tries to toss wave after wave of people into the bots they get ousted from office fast

So this is the level of intelligence of a NV hater?

>>715533420
works pretty good on my machine. I'm fine with 60 fps anyway. It's not like it's got the best graphics

The real thing that makes no sense is the Legion, or more specifically their demographics
They're a pre-industrial society, they don't have fertilizer or agricultural vehicles which means at minimum 90% of their population has to engage in agriculture to some degree

Given how the Legion operates there's no way they can sustain their army for longer than a season, and they especially can't sustain to have their entire population be fanatic warriors

>>715534139
theyre a slave nation

>>715534205
yes but the majority of the male youth in the tribes they conquer becomes part of the legion rather than being enslaved

also the Legion as a slave state really doesn't make that much sense either, they're just too wide spread for that to work, how are you going to deal with a slave uprising all the way to the east if your entire army is currently at Hoover Dam? It'll take you months to simply move over there if you drop everything

>>715534139
The forces near Hoover Dam represent the entire expeditionary capable forces of the legion.

>>715534438
>how are you going to deal with a slave uprising all the way to the east if your entire army is currently at Hoover Dam?
heh well

>>715534438
>how are you going to deal with a slave uprising all the way to the east if your entire army is currently at Hoover Dam?
Social indoctrination to make such concepts seem alien and extremely personally dangerous. Is that sustainable? Probably not, but the legion in its current form is only a few decades old, so in the context of this game it's good enough. The questionable long term stability of the project is questioned by characters in the game, and it ids also repeatedly shown that the stress of fighting an industrialized nation, and the leaps in logic and morality they have to perform to pretend they're the good guys, is erroding the legion's social tenets, which is a very bad sign for its future.

>>715534908
I mean, the legion has been nowhere near around long enough for that level of social indoctrination, and the only states that operated on primarily slavery conditions were geographically small, there's a reason Sparta couldn't expand all that much for example

there's also a matter of the Legion territory being rather poor farmland and the sheer logistics of getting supplies are just daunting

>>715518267 (OP)
>Putin
ookraine with its borders completely shut for all males has a literal conscription secret police plucking people off street to send them to the pointless meat grinder
in Russia the borders are open and ~40k people volunteer to sign military contracts every month

I don't know why yuros continue pushing 2022 propaganda when their proxy has clearly failed, or wait I do know, that's because you've no identity past being a fuckhole for the US and the US isn't even interested anymore

>>715534139
Its the african warlord special. You go and conquer the neighboring village, draft all the men and go conquer the village behind it with the loot sustaining you. Then you draft the survivors too and move on to the next to don't starve. Repeat until you have conquered the country and you are president for life. If you lose once its all ogre though. Same shit with the Legion. As long they can go and expand outwards destroying tribes, they will have the men and resources to keep expanding, but its do or die. If they lose, the whole thing just implodes into squabbling tribals all trying to carve out a litte fiefdom for themselves. Its one big bubble.

>>715535217
Its not even yuros, except the butthurt belters. Nafo is mostly ran by boomers who want to live out their socipathic urges on the internet.

>>715535217
>when their proxy has clearly failed
Russia's military capabilities have been wrecked, they've run through most of their Soviet stock and can't replace it properly

There's 0 threat of Russia trying anything against the Baltics or Finland in the next 3 decades
Ukraine worked like a charm, Russia's only threat left to Europe is it's nukes which not even Putin dares to use

>>715535085
>the legion has been nowhere near around long enough for that level of social indoctrination
To indoctrinate adults. The legion is composed entirely of people who were enslaved as women and boys, and children born within it.
>there's also a matter of the Legion territory being rather poor farmland and the sheer logistics of getting supplies are just daunting
I agree that the carrying capacity of fucking arizona is pretty bad, but the legion stretches across the four corners region into utah and colorado, where the bulk of agriculture presumably takes place. The game also emphasizes that, regionally, they rely heavily on hunting, foraging, and theft. Are those actually realistic answers for the number of men they're implied to have? Probably not, but it's good enough to maintain verisimilitude.

>>715535546
>repeats nafoid copes

Uhh, /k/ is that way.

>>715535217
>>715535364
Russia is so fucked they finally gave up on their aircraft carrier lmao

>>715518267 (OP)
>4chan screencap thread
get some new material

>>715535624
Utah and Colorado are terrible farmland for the Legion though, without fertilizer and machinery it's just not particularly productive
There's also the matter of transporting large quantities of food overland with brahmin caravans which is frankly unrealistic, there's a reason Rome and China worked, and that's because they could do their food transports by water, sea for the former, river for the latter

The Legion really REALLY should have been drastically more industrialized than they actually are, you could easily imagine a Legion like structure with a separate class of engineers that maintain all the equipment and the fertilizer plants who are kept under a tight leash by the Legion soldiers, but at the same time have a higher standard of living, just a complete lack of prestige

>>715535641
lets just put it this way, if Russia was a genuine threat to Europe they would have won in 2 weeks
That's the amount of time it took for the US to win the first Gulf War by the way, and Iraq at that time had a drastically superior army to Ukraine at the start of the war

>>715518516
It can be done in abstraction, just like everything else.

Obviously, the NCR Sharecropper Farm and all the other little farms in the game aren't sufficient to feed an entire metropolitan area, even if it's relatively sparsely populated as it appears to be in New Vegas. But it's there. It's enough to say "They actually thought about building a coherent world, where everything necessary is taken into account."

In Fallout 3, you get a few hydroponic farms inside buildings, all owned by individuals who clearly aren't doing much trading with it. And with a story about how there's no source of consistent, uncontaminated water in the whole DC Area, there's no way anyone IS growing crops or raising livestock at scale. Almost everyone would have fled the Capital Wasteland a long time ago, just for lack of resources. It doesn't make sense. They created a story entirely on the back of themes, vibes and topics, and they didn't care to make them all mesh coherently. They didn't care about their story at all. It was just a vehicle for the first person shooter they made.

Which is fine, but it's not as engrossing, and it doesn't really suit Fallout as a franchise.

I don't understand why people latch onto this game so hard as if it's the end all be all of games

>>715536068
the Capital Wasteland would have made a lot of sense in the state it's in, with just a few changes to the narrative
Basically for it to make sense: make it canon that up until about 20 years before the game starts, DC had radiation levels too high for humans
However when radiation levels dropped enough, the result was a massive gold-rush with people flooding in from all over to go through the ruins of DC in the hopes of finding valuable equipment or weapons or whatever

The people who struck rich have long since vacated the area, and the region is now entirely populated with the people who are functionally stuck since they gambled everything on moving their and it didn't work out

However the stories of those who struck rich have spread across the entire eastcoast, constantly drawing in more people like moths to a flame

Also explains the high amount of raiders: it's the people who failed to strike rich, realized they probably have all-over cancer because everything is still contaminated so they went YOLO

>>715535546
>>715535687
>>715536065
>NAFO troons
>on the Tranny Vegas thread
Makes sense.

>>715535934
I agree that the legion should have been a bit less primitive, but I think you're underestimating what can be done with preindustrial systems, and overestimating the legion's scale. The roman empire had tens of millions of people and stretched from spain to syria. The legion has a population of a few hundred thousand people across a region of a few hundred thousand square miles that's mostly entirely uninhabited. The only reason that they can challenge the NCR is that the legion is beding 100% of disposible resources to fight the NCR's underfunded expiditionary force, with the latter also having enormously more restrictive rules of engagement. Because the conflict is a pretty blatant allegory for the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>715536598
So the Legion are the good guys.

>>715536395
That would have worked, and it would also have been perfect justification for the Brotherhood of Steel being the pioneers, and even their philosophical change in isolation. The Brotherhood got there 60-100 years earlier, and have been conducting operations there for about that long, without contact with the west. The most powerful people all grew a conscience and kicked the hardliners out after seeing all the rabble bash their heads against the prospect of striking it rich. But now, despite their best efforts, there just isn't enough for the taking, and too many newcomers all vying for the last little crumb of the pie that was already on its last slice a long time ago.

It makes perfect sense that DC would be one of the most fucked places in the country. So there's no issue there.

>>715536395
>make it canon that up until about 20 years before the game starts
But we NEED the Brotherhood of Steel and we NEED The Enclave to return.

>>715536598
transporting food across land with pre-industrial methods is still incredibly difficult, there's a good reason why it effectively never happened in large quantities, the logistics of it are just too extreme
the size is also a major issue, the Legion armies have a movement speed of about 20-30 miles per day given by what we know footsoldiers can sustain which would mean they just can't really respond to threats since a population of 200k (about the maximum you could reasonably expect the legion to have from a pure conquest state, even the NCR manages 2 million at best) would sustain a 20k large army at best

>>715536721
No. The taliban are evil shitheads and the legion are actually worse. Torturing people to death and slaughting civilians is bad actually. But that doesn't make occupation a good idea if you're not willing to actually invest in the project.

>>715535687
>>715536065
>more retarded copes from trannies

I'm so bored these retards larping like its 2022 and it isn't blatant obvious that Russia is winning. It was a war of attrition and we lost we shut down our factories and they didn't.

>>715536068
Post-post apocalyptic is hard to do well, because people want the vibes of post-apocalyptic as well, shit like stores still having food to loot and everything looking like the bombs fell two weeks ago. In real life, literally the entire place would be just wilderness after 200 years, covered in forests. Maybe if you dug around with an excavator you'd find strange layers of crushed concrete and glass aggregate under the humus and that's it. Which is boring, reality is boring, so this is an acceptable break. You can look at Chernobyl as an example, which is a national park after only 40 years, and Pripyat has to be maintained for the tourists, otherwise most of it would be gone already.

>>715536991
>The taliban are evil shitheads

>>715536592
t. serbian freak

>>715534438
[Speech 100] post

>>715518267 (OP)
Fnv is an actual rpg with content
F3 and 4 are shooters with 7 side quests a piece
Like nothing else really matters

>>715536951
see
>>715536949
in this alternative scenario it makes perfect sense for the BoS to be there
Alternatively the BoS could have arrived there after the start of the gold rush with very similar results: they see the flood of people and realize they're woefully underequipped to actually stop it after it already started

Could even do something more with the ghouls of DC who actually have been around for ages, not just being the original inhabitants, but DC having acted as a refuge for ghouls all over the wasteland, a refuge that's being eroded more and more

hell the whole sabotage the purifier thing in the ending? It would actually make sense if that was the ending given to you by the ghouls
The reasoning being that if the purifier is sabotaged in a way it reverses function and makes the area more irradiated it can remain a refuge for ghouls at the cost of driving out the smoothskins, who still have an entire eastcoast to live in

>>715537040
Yeah, there was no reason to set it 200 years after the bombs fell. It could have just as easily been a prequel to the original Fallout about one of the first vaults opening, maybe 10 or 20 years later, and had absolutely everything be exactly the same.

>>715537040
I always think of that Lord of War scene where the plane lands on Africa and disappears within hours.

>>715536983
>the Legion armies have a movement speed of about 20-30 miles per day given by what we know footsoldiers can sustain which would mean they just can't really respond to threats
Yeah probably. They get away with it for now because they are surrounded by thousands of miles of fuck all. A major uprising would be difficult to deal with given restraints on speed of mobilization, but it's just that such a thing has not happened yet.
>would sustain a 20k large army at best
About where I peg it. Probably half to 75% at the dam too. Who knows, Eddie might go home to find a new Caesar in Denver. The game doesn't suggest that the Legion is a good idea or will actually work long term, just that it's a problem in the here and now.

This might be a retarded question, but do they ever adress the scarcity of water in the desert? Obviously, the whole story revolves around the Hoover Dam, but the focus is always on the power generation, when it seems like providing water for agriculture would be more important. I might just be misremembering though.

>>715537040
We're giving new missiles to ukraine right now lol

>>715518267 (OP)
Not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls

>>715537120
Islam is an evil slave cult that encourages cruelty and misery, it has nothing to do with their hatred of fags, which everyone did until less than 50 years ago.

>>715518725
Limitations within the shitty creation engine. That's why the mods with vehicles are buggy as high hell

>>715518267 (OP)
>pre-war fallout universe has autonomous robots and laser guns
We can imagine that the dam has some kind of special disintegrator module that disintegrates anything that isn't water in the inlet
But we don't have to. The fact that the entire conflict didn't matter in the end adds pathos to the story, if anything it enhances it

>>715537452
>Patriot missiles
Iran already proved that it's easy to punch hotels into that.

>>715537221
There would be nothing wrong with a shooter with 7 side quests, if those quests were good. Nigger dog not telling where my dad went and trying to coax me to do shit for him immediately soured me on the whole thing right from the start. I fucking hated Megaton too, not even because of the nuke but because it was so fucking barren. Like.... why there's even a town there? They have no water, they produce no food, they have no industry, yet they somehow managed to build that big metal playground for something? It doesn't look and feel like a place humans would inhabit. Then the game wants to tell me that people living in his rancid shithole would be advanced enough and stupid enough to publish and disseminate actual BOOKs on survival.

>>715537554

>>715537370
I guess the Legion "can" sort of defend itself from raiders and outside threats through sheer reputation and fear which kinda still works, but it's also incredibly fragile
the minute a raider tribe gets desperate enough it's either starvation or raid legion territory and find that the Legion simply can't defend it's borders in any capacity it's just over for them
same thing with news reaching them of the Legion losing even a single battle and shattering their aura of invincibility

I guess for now the Legion can still work but it is utterly fucked, and even if they win the battle for Hoover dam they are doomed to collapse in less than a decade
the conquest of Vegas might actively speed up that process because now the Legion needs to permanently station troops in an area that is just utterly worthless to them, Vegas is the ultimate white elephant for a state like the Legion

>>715537421
The NCR has already drained most of lake new vegas and they are pumping lake mead. The unsustainability of these ventures is mentioned by multiple characters. It's also the basis of the vault 22 quest.

>>715537585
>When your next-gen engine gets outdone by a sprite.

>>715537120
faggots actually naively accept islam because minority brownie victim points and Palestine despite how degenerate and cancerous that religion is to the middle east

>>715537575
Post nose.

>>715537421
there's a whole questline about water distribution issues, it's pretty good and does a good job highlighting the issues of trying to farm in a desert

>>715536197
They don't. People just like it

>>715537771
Post quadruple citizenship passport.

>>715537120
>Gays exist so now fanatical murderers are good
You people are sick in the head

>>715536197
It's a good game. It's in my Totally Original 3x3.

>>715536197
Regular Fallout fans just play the games and enjoy them for what they are. The ones aggressively latching onto it are mostly trannies who often haven't even played the game.

>>715536197
midwits think they are above everyone else because they prefer it over fallout 3

>>715537726
Spot on. Plus if they tried to actually invade california proper, the NCR would be forced to actuallly try. If pissed off enough, they could literally nuke denver.

>>715537878
is hate Israel, jews too and most religions too

jews are selfish but they at least don't blow themselves up or run people over in trucks

>>715528478
>who's your guy's favorite NPC?
Ruby Nash, forever and always.

>>715537040
Russia isn't winning in any sense of the word
They're making incredibly slow progress and are being bled of manpower and material along the way
And at this point even if they conquer Ukraine somehow they have to deal with insurgencies for the next couple decades

Meanwhile europe got shaken awake and is ramping up it's defense spending
Really though, I want you to tell me: what advantage does Russia get off of continuing this war right now?

>just make a giant blender in front of the dam that cuts everything into manageable pieces

Did I just BTFO the fag in the OP? I think I did

>>715537779
Jews are even more evil than sandniggers. Islam is a barbaric slave cult. Judaism is similar to satanism.

>>715530856
>Biden
>Fucking political beast
>With 60(?) years of experience in politics
>Who won once a Drumpf
>Hurr-durr he was forced to step down
Yeah

>>715518725
The car is one of the best parts of Fallout 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSP0rKieqac

>>715527130
>Cars are run on nuclear energy in Fallout.
No, they don't. The newest models run on energy cells and all the previous cars run on standard benzine.

>>715528478
imagine being this chud and instead of finding humility for being the lucky one or facing the loss of all your friends and fellow gang members you act like you won a million dollars. Based

>>715538018
they wouldn't even have to do that, the Barter discussion points out what would happen in the case of a Legion invasion
The supply lines into NCR territory would be impossibly long for the Legion and impossible to defend against the NCR (remember the NCR has cars available, even a mobile force of 2k armored cars would make sustaining a brahmin-wagon supply chain literally impossible) so the Legion would have to rely purely off of living of the land

Which is where the NCR could defeat them without firing a shot: just deplete all food stores in their path, engages in a bit of scorched earth and raid their supply train, wait until the Legion runs out of food in a week (yes humans can survive longer than that, but not in fighting condition) and the Legion army is just no longer capable of resisting, and the NCR can decide what to do with them

And that's the end of the Legion right there, they can't replenish the loss of an army the size needed to realistically invade the NCR

>>715538380
Probably the most killed character in the game.

>>715538279
Desu, one of the best parts isn't even just the fast world map travel but actually having a space to store shit. Finally I can unload all the extra Radaway that I only need for specific circumstances.

>>715537921
>You people
>admitting to be a tourist

>>715518267 (OP)
The difference is India is low IQ browns and America is not

>>715528080
autism

>>715538053
Post mutilated foreskin.

>>715518267 (OP)
>anon doesn't understand how turbines work
MANY SUCH CASES!

>>715538528
Then how come we are taking over high paying jobs in your country?

>>715538071
>NAFOid troon still going at it

>>715538187
calling Biden a beast is so ridiculous it's hilarious

>>715538781
I notice that you haven't given me any russian victory conditions anon

>>715518267 (OP)
dont worry about fonv its about to be rewritten

>>715536197
Because Fallout is a great setting and New Vegas has been the best Fallout game for 15 fucking years. If BGS could actually surpass it nobody would care about NV anymore, but they haven't.
It's just like The Elder Scrolls with Oblivion and Skyrim, everybody loved Oblivion until Skyrim came out and btfo'd it and now nobody has anything more than a passing interesting in Oblivion, not even with the remaster.
It's the same with Baldur's Gate. Nobody gave a fuck about the 20 spinoffs and remakes that came after BG2, BG2 was considered the GOAT and always recommended, nobody ever cared about Dark Alliance or whatever. Then BG3 came out and steamrolled everything with 10 billion players, now nobody could give a rat's ass about BG2.

>>715537452
You know that even according to western sources, Russia manufactures more ballistic missiles than the US manufactures patriot missiles, right? And that one interception might require several missiles fired? And there are other targets for patriots, like drones, right?

So fucking stupid.

>>715538853
NTA btw.

>>715538585
And this is why you'll never produce anything of value in your entire life

>>715538893
>New Vegas Remake
>no crashes
>piss filter removed
>all gay shit from Sawyer removed
>Rose is hotter and you can fuck her
Holy kino.

>>715538071
Do you troons not understand what a war of attrition is and why its such a huge thing why the west has lost one? Quit coping with fucking "insurgencies" ukraine and the european plain is not Afghan mountains of the jungles of of Vietnam. Defense spending is also meaningless, western money is not converting into weapons.

>>715539006
Patriot missiles will be primarily used to destroy Russian military material
Because one of the key things is that Russia might produce a lot of missiles, they're highly inaccurate and Russia pretty much has devolved into semi-randomly lobbing them into populated areas
Which is annoying but not really on the same level as a surgical destruction of a fuel dump

>>715538983
Fallout 4 and 76 are still more popular tho.

>>715538983
I think your onto something. Hell I feel like I see more Fallout 1 and 2 threads in the wild more than I do Fallout 3 threads that aren't used to troll NV fans or isn't shitting on the game (what do they eat and all). It almost makes me feel bad if F3fags weren't such annoying shitposters. F4fags seem more chill at least.

>>715538071
>>715539169
nobody cares lol

>>715539169
They are just buying drones that are mostly made in China.

>>715538983
which is of course, why Bethesda is using the fallout tv show to destroy the westcoast setting
they've already gotten rid of the NCR entirely and replaced it with the BoS and season 2 will see Vegas probably conquered by the BoS as well, and House killed

>>715539221
>groomer trooner is actually retarded

>>715539361
The Fallout show was made by Johnatan Nolan and written by the show runners. The input from Bethesda is minimal and you obsession with blaming all problems on Todd is retarded.

>>715539169
the west is barely feeling this supposed war of attrition, russia has sent it's engineers to the front lines and their eastern cities are dealing with constant brownouts
also a war of attrition is generally speaking the last thing you want, aiming for one is militarily idiotic

>>715539361
Oh boy, I can't wait for more fucking BoS. I almost hate them now. I appreciate Fallout 2 for hardly even having them. And that sucks because the setup of them in Fallout 1 was cool as shit.
>Xenophobic technofetishs looking at old world marterial like the churches of the dark ages would hoard knowledge.

>>715539521
Because obviously it was their idea to replace the NCR with the fucking BoS
get real anon, that one is pure Bethesda

>>715539361
None of that matters at all. The next fallout game isn't coming until 2035 at the earliest. Nobody will even remember Fallout had a TV show by then. You know what the biggest TV show was 10 years ago today? Game of Thrones.

>>715539641
the damage it does to the lore is permanent anon, unless someone retcons the show which they obviously wont

>>715536068
the sharecropper farms aren't the core food supply of nevada, the (currently abandoned) farms all around the wasteland are, you have the farms that were just abandoned due to deathclaws just north of quarry junction, you have the farms abandoned due to legion activities in the south, northwest farms abandoned due to raider activity, etc.
we see nevada at a very bad point, almost everything that was happening has shut down just before the game starts, but they really did put in the work to show the farms actually

>>715539246
not that much more popular if you think about it. Fallout 4 was insanely hyped and was a huge release for Xbone and Piss4 people. Fallout 76 is a multiplayer game. Both games came out years after NV so you'd think the player count would dwarf NV, but it's actually not a bonkers difference in player count. NV still continues to be a fan favorite.

>>715533083
how does downloading mods count as interacting with people?

>>715539834
also there's a quest with the brahmin baron which shows that NV imports a large amount of food from the NCR
so they even address the fact local farms can't supply the city

>>715518267 (OP)
>Hoover Dam is the problem

No, it's actually how the game utterly breaks down beyond any reason if you don't do sidequests before arriving in New Vegas.

It's actually very Witcher 1 in that regard, because Witcher 1's "sidequests" are not sidequests at all, even though conventional gaming logic might suggest otherwise.

The sidequests in New Vegas (focused around the various factions) are one hundred percent not-optional for the story to make sense. The NCR would not trust you as far as it could throw you if you were not helpful, and if you were actively hunting down and dismantling Legion operations in the region (which I've been doing because fuck the Legion), they would not trust you either, and surely not trust you enough to stride right over to the big man's tent to discuss the chip. He even asks you, point-blank, to your face, why he should trust you.

I'm not going to suggest that New Vegas is an awful game or anything, but if you don't play it "correctly," a lot of the cracks become very apparent from a narrative perspective.

And that's not even considering how you have zero intrinsic motivation to help anyone. I suppose that's fine for some people who like to headcanon everything, but the Courier is literally just a Courier with no reason or incentive to put himself (or herself if you're a tranny kek) into any danger. You can voice contempt or a desire for retribution on Benny, but why do you care about the NCR? Or the Legion? Or Mr. House? You've got a lot to lose (your life) versus very little to gain (infamy? noteriety? caps?), whereas in Fallout 3, even though "what do they eat" has become a really overused meme question that is wholly unserious because it's an unimportant narrative detail where the response is as insipid as the question ("food, you fucking retard"), you have a motivation to find your father from the jump, and even if you refuse to look for him, it still makes sense narratively.

Just my two cents.

>>715518516
>>715518439
You can literally look at NPC item tables, the Hunter NPCs and trade caravans to see where megatons food comes from. They also mention it in the strategy guide they have gardens offscreen
>but why can’t I see i-
because it’s not fucking important to the vibe they were building to see it. im sure if you think for a couple minutes you can name over a dozen settlements in other media where the food source is implied and not shown directly. take one look at ishgard from FFXIV being a ridiculous giant city built over a giant chasm and tell me where the food comes from
While we’re at it, tell me where the little Yangtze ghouls get their food or what The Divide marked men eat or what the Ghost People eat

>>715536197
For an RPG of its time, it's surprisingly well thought-out enough to make multiple replays worthwhile to try new things in both quest outcomes and silly gameplay stuff, which has helped its staying power somewhat on top of getting the better end of mods than FO3, even importing that game in if someone really wants to. Players still talk about the different sides in this game 15 years on, so there's at least some measure of nuance there.

>>715540370
>take one look at ishgard from FFXIV
i don't play tranny games, can you give me an example from a game a normal person would know?

>>715537585
>the mods with vehicles are buggy as high hell
the standalone frontier car mod worked fine. I had a whole playthrough larping as big boss from TTP and used the car to go everywhere (i think it was the buggy) and i don't remember any issues

>>715518267 (OP)
>Fallout universe wants to revive the electric power dam
>Haven't even picked up bricks and loose paper/signs from the bombs 200 years ago
There's so much of the Fallout universe that just completely falls apart when you consider the shear amount of clutter and mess that people just live with. Sad really.

>>715540603
NTA, but if your only point of criticism for Fallout 3 is the "what do they eat" question, you've well and truly lost the fucking plot. As I allude to in my post, the answer is "food", and that's it. You don't need to see farms for it to be believable. The only reason it wouldn't be believable is if you're extremely autistic, which is perfectly in line with many New Vegas fans.

>>715539361
There’s been a dozen leaks showing NCR troopers in season 2 and even Todd himself saying the NCR is still alive.

>>715540968
>NTA
>As I allude to in my post
wait so are you that tranny or not i'm confused

>>715518267 (OP)
There is nothing more pathetic than screencapping your own post thinking it gives it validity.

>>715529814
huh?

>>715541057
See >>715540341

>>715518403
>>715529693
>>715529814
>>715541172
fallout 1 but the vault dweller is -1 int

>>715541327
Mom?

>>715540968
Fallout 3 is dull with limited depth. Comparing to FNV in any way is ludicrous

>>715541441
Thanks for the feedback, professor. Very helpful contribution to the conversation.

>>715540793
Rubble-core is just an easy way to show that the setting is still post-apocalyptic. It's not like nice clean environments aren't possible.

>>715541441
fallout 3 fans are literally standing on their tippy toes to discuss with the adults at the table who throw them some scraps to keep them feeling heccin cute and valid lol
actual retards

>>715533083
Wrong, it works fine out of the box.
Also VNV hasn't been good since the troon takeover of the project. Look at that bloated shit, if it really was only 15 plugins it would be acceptable. They really can't help but destroy the work of other people.

>>715540370
>You can literally look at NPC item tables, the Hunter NPCs and trade caravans to see where megatons food comes from.
What do they produce then to trade for said food?

>>715519429
holy shit what a readlet

>>715541625
Bussy

>>715540341
>And that's not even considering how you have zero intrinsic motivation to help anyone. I suppose that's fine for some people who like to headcanon everything, but the Courier is literally just a Courier with no reason or incentive to put himself into any danger.
You pick a side you think is most advantageous to you. A courier is not limited to always work as a courier with no career growth. Every RPG is about uplifting yourself to a better situation

>>715518267 (OP)
wasn't hoover dam specifically built to last for some stupid amount of time without maintenance? at least the main structure, and FNV depicts the NCR maintaining the turbines so that part didn't need to last 200 years

>>715541513
The game simple has less quests, less locations, less npcs, less stories, less complicated main story. If you're the type to attribute greater depth to some moral dilemma of F3 main quests and therefore deducing it to be a deeper game, you're kidding yourself. Bethesda could have put more effort into the game, but they did not want to risk it or not be sellouts

>>715541559
I love my tard wife Lynette.

>>715542245
Shes a stuck up negress who wont just give me my damn citizenship. LOOK AT MY VAULT SUIT YOU BITCH!

>>715542084
Even if it was not. NCR clearly has manpower and expertise to restore and keepnit running. Its not an empty building with purely NCR soldiers, it has engineers.

>>715540341
>because it's an unimportant narrative detail
Kill yourself. If you can't see how a game's setting is undermined by being permanately inhabited despite being completely and conspiculously uninhabitable, the latter being the basis of the main fucking plot, you literally do not understand RPGs.

>>715518267 (OP)
None of this sounds like a narrative flaw, and would just be what a sequel or whatever would be concerned about.

>>715541606
>>715541441
Don’t care. Still a fun game. I like both. You thing vs thing niggers are far more obnoxious. ALWAYS gotta be projecting how ‘smart’ you are. It honestly sounds like you’re compensating.

>>715542532
>s-stop LAUGHING AT ME

>>715542627
Honestly tell me what you’re contributing to the discussion with this behavior. Actually. Be serious for once in your life.

FNV fans are so incredibly easy to trigger. Holy shit.

>>715542532
It's not fun at all though. It's a shooter RPG with bad writing, a bad setting, bad RPG mechanics, and bad gunplay.

>>715542532
You're free to enjoy trash games, anon. Just don't try to make up shit about how only nerds would care about "trivial" things like food in a game about switching on a water purifier.

>>715535217
>STOP DEFENDING YOURSELF OKAY???????

>>715542905
>f3 fans cry and shit themselves from 1 sentence
>fnv chads are enlightened despots that can disregard or philosophize at will
just look at this lol >>715542532 >>715542762

>>715542908
It isn’t. 12 million sales. Spawned a giant fanbase that showed up for FNV. And you can’t use
>muh lowest common denominator audience muh slop
as an argument.

>>715543118
>fnv chads are enlightened despots that can disregard or philosophize at will
Does saying this sentence about yourself not completely debunk everything about it? Why do you have to project and tell people this?

>>715541910
>You pick a side you think is most advantageous to you.
That's fine, but my point is that if you do not do this and beeline straight to Benny, what happens afterwards is completely incomprehensible. How does the Legion know I got the chip from him? The NCR don't even know about the chip and try to groom me into supporting them.

If you don't do the sidequests and build reputation, then none of this makes any sense. I also found it to be hilarious dramatic irony that the Legion was like, "yeah this is our HQ, go there and talk to our leader" even though I spent most of my playthrough cleansing the Mojave of their soldiers, but that's neither here nor there.

>>715542430
Cool it with the anti-semitism, anon.

>>715543118
I’m being completely serious. You aren’t beating the Triggered allegations. Bethestards live rent free in your head.

>>715543195
Ad populum isn't an argument that you can use in favour or against any game. Find a real argument

>>715543307
>>715543391
>>715543446
emil himself is literally shitting rn realizing people think he's a shit writer, crazy

>>715529814
150 days is the reserves
water chip doesnt start every time you turn on the tap

have you ever watched the opening cutscene?

>>715543446
>Hey guise i leik Fo3
>yeah but NV is better
>NO NO NO TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY
uh huh

>>715531146
/thread

>>715543391
>How does the Legion know I got the chip from him?
Spies. Like the guy who approached you at strip or say the fact that legion was already conspiring with the strip tribes to fight ncr & house.
>even though I spent most of my playthrough cleansing the Mojave of their soldiers
Its a binary choice. Winning the war for New Vegas breaks a stalemate in the bigger was and is simply more important.
Cesar is not a complete retard. Even if he does not hope to recruit you after you showed your intention, they do want you to come there with the chip

>>715543391
>How does the Legion know I got the chip from him?
Spies in the walls.
That plant in a flowerpot? A legion spy.
The greeter? A legion spy.
That person in the mirror? A legion spy.
>The NCR don't even know about the chip and try to groom me into supporting them.
Who cares about the chip? They see you exit the Lucky 38 and rush to get you to their side. Despite having a truce with House, not even the ambassador was allowed into the 38.

>>715544068
>spies

As >>715544143
demonstrates, the spies thing is absolutely ridiculous. The spy knows I went in. The spy knows I walked out. He does not know I have the chip. He does not necessarily know that Benny is dead or alive. Granted, I concede that Caesar is probably trying to trick you into handing the chip over to him, but if he really wanted it, and there really were spies in the water turning the plants gay, he'd have much better luck ambushing me or something. Instead, he lets his own personal assassin waltz right in through the front flap of his tent and personally execute him. Well done, Legion.

>>715544143
I come back to this post because it is hilarious but also excellent, and presents a good point.

>They see you exit the Lucky 38 and rush to get you to their side.

I get that, but my problem is that they saddle you with responsibilities and try to groom you, even though the only thing they know about you is the House connection. Perhaps in that respect its somewhat plausible, but even so, I am very skeptical.

>>715518267 (OP)
can a baby go to war?

>>715544483
they literally have spies working as staff in every casino, there's a quest about this, cope

>>715544483
>Perhaps in that respect its somewhat plausible, but even so, I am very skeptical.
It's not respect but interest. The first mission is about getting the boomers to side with them.
For all they know it's a suicide mission because nobody has entered Nellis (just like the lucky 38), so it's a test to see if you're really special as it seems and loyal to their cause.
Also, the ambassador makes it very clear that they're in a very desperate situation so hoping that this mysterious person would fix all their problems is clearly a reach but it's not like they have a better alternative.

>>715544483
>House connection
Literally the only person to go into Lucky 38 in 200 years. Would make sense to ask

>>715544828
>that plothole you identified? that's a legion spy
Your tism is showing, anon.

>>715544875
>>715545045
Okay, but follow this logic:
>we're desperate for a win
>we want to get one over on House
>so we're going to recruit you and send you on a suicide mission

>>715545146
there's a quest about it, cope

>>715545146
>Okay, but follow this logic:
>>we're desperate for a win
>>we want to get one over on House
>>so we're going to recruit you and send you on a suicide mission
Honestly all Cesar wanted was destruction of the bunker which he gets as the first mission he gives you. Everything else is a bonus

>>715536395
>>715536068
not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls

>>715545201
And what is the quest supposed to do, exactly? What does it even matter? I massacred everyone on Benny's floor, Benny included. No witnesses. Sure, they can go upstairs and check maybe, but they don't have the time to do that right before I walk out of the casino.

Anyway, cool it with the anti-Semitism, alright?

>>715545305
Talking about the NCR, anon. Not the Legion.

>>715545386
Sorry, forgot to post a picture of myself.

>>715538502
You sound like you're talking about yourself.

>>715518267 (OP)
NCR wouldn't dare sabotage the dam, they need the power from it and it's virtually lost technology by that point. Even assuming they could reproduce it, the sheer scale of such a project is difficult if not impossible in the post apocalyptic world.

>Humans can have babies, House can't produce his robots faster than I can have my plebs reproduce
A securitron factory could probably produce them faster than nine months and House would likely be able to get one built faster than the eighteen years it'd take to raise and train more cannon fodder. In the meantime he'd have more than enough to defend his property thanks to the OS upgrades giving securitrons full access to their arsenal.

>>715545468
>Talking about the NCR, anon. Not the Legion.
Oh yeah thats retarded. Same as Brotherhood bunker destruction. But I guess its something fun to do in the game

>>715518267 (OP)
Did this nigga actually say you can make a fully grown adult human male faster than you can manufacture a Securitron?

Nigga, even George Lucas had the foresight to not fuck this up. Does it take 16 years to manufacture a Securitron? Moreover, a Securitron Mark II can fuck up a dozen NCR troopers. The NCR army could *presumably* still win, but the entire NCR army will never be in the Mojave all at once. How would you feed it? What about shit going on near Klamath or the ghosts near Baja? NCR has an army of like 200,000 or something, right? If House's army of thousands of Securitrons is anywhere from 2000 to 5000 then the nigga is looking at killing off anywhere from 1/10th of the entire NCR army to over a quarter of it. That's extinction if the Legion crosses the Colorado. Especially for a country as unstable as NCR. That's a return to raiders just attacking towns without consequences. That's irradiated wildlife slaughtering farmers and ranchers. All that shit requires a standing army to fight off and you can't do that if you lose anywhere from 1/10 to 1/4 guys just to take Vegas.

As for maintaining the Securitrons, that's easy. Every poor sap in Freeside just got a full time job. Time to start assembling Securitron parts and missiles.

Like fuck, it's not able to beat the NCR army probably, but it's insane to see how badly they perform against Securitron Mark Is and say the NCR would do it.

And fuck, House even says "Yes, Kimball and Oliver would absolutely throw away a 10th of their army to take Vegas, which is why these two niggas in particular need to survive long enough to go down in disgrace and take the warhawks with them"

>>715545694
>A securitron factory could probably produce them faster than nine months
A newborn baby can't fight a war. Try 16 years minimum.

>>715546371
>A newborn baby can't fight a war
source?

>>715546371
Anon you were in such a rush to post a "got ya" that you failed to read just a few words later that addresses that point, too.

>>715518267 (OP)
Emil knows what he's doing, don't worry about it..

>>715530856
How so? What did he do?

>>715535364
That's not how things work in real life, though. You cannot enslave someone who truly doesn't want to be a slave. They'll just run away the first chance they get. You can't "draft" such people.

>>715547510
>That's not how things work in real life, though. You cannot enslave someone who truly doesn't want to be a slave. They'll just run away the first chance they get. You can't "draft" such people.
Tell that to the Ukranians

>>715535934
Yes, but bro, we're talking fallout logic here. Everyone's iq's went down ten-thirty points after the nukes. That's why everything works the way it does in that world. If they didn't, it would be almost impossible to adequately explain why everything is the way it is..

>>715536065
Eh.. let's see what happens. It's not over 'till it's over, as they say..

>>715539617
>Because obviously it was their idea to replace the NCR with the fucking BoS
>>715539617
>Because obviously it was their idea to replace the NCR with the fucking BoS
The Fallout show ends with an open conflict between the NCR and the BoS, and the whole points is that both factions are clad in American symbols, heirs to the same legacy. Pretty basic theming.

>>715548241
and the BoS defeats the NCR in the last episode handily

>>715548304
Yeah because the NCR sucks balls.

>>715536991
>Torturing people to death and slaughting civilians is bad actually
Not always. Sometimes it's a lot of fun.

>>715518267 (OP)
Gotta say the fact you have people arguing about a culture war politics of the Ukraine Russian war in a thread about fucking Fallout New Vegas is incredible trolling work.

>>715539950
Fallout 4 has five times more players than Tranny Vegas.

>>715537760
Sweet ride

>>715539221
>Patriot missiles will be primarily used to destroy Russian military material
Troons are really this retarded?

>>715539526
The west is out of ammunition and war material, Russia isn't. The outcome is obvious, regardless of troon coping. You will have to find a new Current Thing to attach to like barnacles.

>>715540341
You are supposed to play as a woman in New Vegas which gives you an intrinsic motivation to side with the NCR and destroy the Legion, unless you play as a BPD thot in which case you romance Benny.

>>715541606
>cute and valid
That's some textbook tumblr lingo.

>>715538071
>Meanwhile europe got shaken awake and is ramping up it's defense spending
Uuuuuuuuuhh huh.............. riiiight, riiiiiight............. i don't this is the problem. They could put 99 percent of the yearly budget into the military, none of that mstters, if people aren't also going to fight. And are the eutofags gonna fight for how things currently stand? Fight for globalism? The whores who won't fuck em? The niggers who will replace them after the war? The evil bosses who constantly yell at them and breathe down their necks and pressure them to work faster and faster and who will fire them, if they get sick? The pedophile elites who murder and eat children? Google "dutroux belgium" and see for yourself what those insane satanic "people" do over there in their spare time....

>>715548523
Not that surprising if you ever used Twitter.

>>715545694
But there are no securitron factories. That is the point. Every single loss, whether though some dipshit skirmishers plinking away at them or simple attrition due to the lack of spare parts is final. Eventually, House would have to start cannibalizing them to keep the existing fleet going and its a losing scenario no matter what. I don't think he even has a way to replenish the ammunition of their full arsenal.

>>715545959
>Every poor sap in Freeside just got a full time job.
Who feeds them if the NCR just decides to surround New Vegas? You know how sieges work, right?

>>715547510
You can. Real life does not work like talking shit on social media. Given the choice between getting mutilated to death by machetes or getting to join, loot and mutilate others with machetes, very few would take the first choice. And there is nowhere to "run away" as your entire family, tribe and culture is part of the system.

>>715549202
The EU did not even open a single new armaments factory or expanded production in the existing ones. The "increased spending" is just possible dual-use infrastructure projects, like guilding highways and renovating civil airfields getting booked as "military spending" to please Trump. ' I'm sure some smooth highways in Italy will help the heckin ukraineros

why didn't they just build their own casino?

>>715531146
kek, that's my first thought too

>>715549202
50% of the world's child porn is produced in Russia by the way
If you want a definition of satanic evil

>>715549846
>Who feeds them if the NCR just decides to surround New Vegas? You know how sieges work, right?
Everyone who doesn't want to lose water and power, that's who. All the NCR senators and brahmin barons the Omertas got blackmail material on, that's who.

>>715549846
>But there are no securitron factories. That is the point.
You're a fool if you think building one isn't on House's agenda.
>I don't think he even has a way to replenish the ammunition of their full arsenal.
There are already parties making guns and ammunition. Hell, the game has a system where you can make your own ammo if you can be bothered to gather the materials for it IIRC. And again, you're foolish if you think House won't build the facilities for this shit, too.

House's plans extend well beyond just keeping control of the strip and the dam. He wants to restart technological production, with the eventual goal of finding a better planet among the stars. But he can't do that without securing what he's got at home, and he fucking knows that.

>>715522772
Crazy how actually playing the game and reading the stuff in it answers all the questions Fallout 3tards ask.

>>715518516
Not "just because", but because people need to eat.

>>715547706
A ton have already fled. And jogging has become the nr. 1 nationwide pastime.

>>715550182
So? The city will starve to death anyway without water. Random politicians at home have no say in the outcome.

>>715550364
>on agenda, meaning to, planning, getting around

So he doesn't have any.

>There are already parties making guns and ammunition.
Are you retarded to not realize the difference between repairing small arms and robots? Manufacturing explosive ammunition is not as easy and handloading brass either. House ALWAYS loses on logistics. He has nothing, just a single city and some robots. He has no strategic depth, no way to weather out attrition, he is dependent on resources he has no access to and so on.

>>715549846
>And there is nowhere to "run away"
Sure you can. Fuck country and family and friends. You're numero uno and no one else matter. If you live like that, you can always run away.

>>715550095
So? That's not really my point. The point is that the west is globohomofied to the max and if the westerners fight, then they will literally fight for their own replacement. Who the fuck is willingly going to do that??

>>715518267 (OP)
Don't care, beating it to porn mods

>>715549846
Maybe you live in a blue state and you don't know this, but it is actually entirely possible to build a factory and have that factor shit out products faster then a baby can be conceived, raised to fighting age and trained to right a war.

I'll give you this, in the world of Fallout, robots aren't always necessarily better than humans. Parts, power and those missiles will all require replacing. That said, look at how easily a Legionary can kill an NCR trooper. The fucking Fiends are better equipped. There is also no reason to suspect House doesn't have stockpiles to maintain the Securitron army for a while until he can create a more sustainable system. It requires a lot of out-of-character assumptions to assume (not to mention blatently ignoring the ending slides and his own dialogue) to assume there is no plan to maintain the Securitrons. There is a shitton of options and your entire argument is "yeah but he won't do any of them because we aren't given most of the details." The one thing I'll give you is that the NCR could absolutely fucking still win if they tried and, in your scenario, they would. Problem is your scenario completely ignores that the main faces of the NCR warhawks is Kimball and Oliver; both of which must be some combination of dead or disgraced by the end of the game unless you side with the NCR. If they die, maybe they become martyrs and you're right, maybe not. House doesn't want either of them dead though for precisely the reasons you outlined. If they both become disgraced, then the hawks sink with them, at least for a few years, more realistically a few decades. Give House, hell, give certain Independent Couriers, a bit of time to build up some factories, and really pitch to the NCR how their control comes with more double the power from the Dam, possibly a bit of Epstein-esque blackmail based on what VIPs get up to on the Strip.

>>715551005
You are forgetting the difference between larping that online in a welfare society or being a refugee with literally nothing but the clothes on your back and your flip-flops in deepest africa in an alien and hostile place, far away from home. And that is the BEST outcome, assuming you even succeeded and you didn't get caught and mutilated by machetes for your trouble.

>>715551197
Nafotroons don't really understand anything, they are just given a list of copes to cycle through.

>>715545468
>I massacred everyone on Benny's floor, Benny included. No witnesses.
Yeah, I'm sure a mass murder in what is probably the best casino on the strip would pass unnoticed.

>>715539154
What alternate timeline do you come from that they remove gay shit and make girls hotter in remakes?

>>715551371
>There is also no reason to suspect House doesn't have stockpiles to maintain the Securitron army for a while
Maybe play the game, cause it tells you there isn't.

>Maybe you live in a blue state and you don't know this, but it is actually entirely possible to build a factory and have that factor shit out products faster then a baby can be conceived, raised to fighting age and trained to right a war.
NVM, you must be an american and retarded.

Its LOGISTICS, retard. House does not produce ANYTHING he needs to stay supplied, and has no way to build the factories he would need. This means EVERY single securitron that gets shot at or takes a wrong turn and the ridiculous monowheel breaks or parts are simply worn out, is a total writeoff. He will NEVER get stronger, only weaker and weaker as he is totally dependent on a single location, easily cut off from everything, has no strategic depth, has no way to counterattack, just sits there like a retard and loses any war of attrition.

>this shitty thread has this many replies
grim

>>715551378
Are we still talking about africans?either way, how difficult can it be to survive over there? The savannah niggs do exactly that all the time. They just go out with a wonky flimsy spear and hunt shit.

>>715518267 (OP)
Only the NCR and house want the dam functional. Caesar is just taking it because it’s strategic value and has no intention of actually using it. Also they explain how the NCR need both water and electricity from the dam and House is even willing to give it to them for a price. You know there are people in NV right? The families are one group. Do you think that everything is just going to rely on the securitrons exclusively? Also you’re creating a situation where House doesn’t do anything to restart and rebuild industry after his take over. Why is it that every time some retard tries to poke holes in the plot of this game they always show that they either haven’t played it or just a fundamental ignorance of the world and factions?

>>715552089
the big NV vs Fo3 and Fo4 debate thread comes around every few days

>>715552163
You have no idea how africa is like, do you? You are just larping how you could totally do it, like those faggots munching snacks before the TV and telling they could totally survive that.

this looks kinda good
https://mojaveexpressguide.com/docs/Introduction

>>715530856
You mean the senile old man that could barely string a sentence together and looked lost 90% of the time? He somehow ruined the election and not that the brown woman was just not a good pick, and did nothing to really ingratiate herself to anyone outside of her hive of supporters?

>>715518439
Better question: what the flying fuck do they drink? DC got absolutely demolished by nukes and every single water source would be irradiated to shit and no plant would be able to survive. Nobody would live there besides fucking mutants and ghouls.

>>715552283
It’s like a migratory pattern at this point. Someone says “NV has better writing,” a Fallout 3 gaymer gets triggered, then some dude who only played 4 via base settlement farming rolls in, and boom-100 replies deep in arguing over how many physics engines it takes to render an independent Vegas.

>>715536197
People like it because it's an accessible, casual-friendly RPG with an engaging story and interesting world building that doesn't sacrifice on builds and many other gameplay aspects like TW3 does. The modability only contributed to that, and thanks to Nexus, even the most basic-brained gamer can essentially overhaul it completely. BG3 became popular for more or less the same reason, and the other 3D Fallout games aren't nearly as beloved because they lack an equally interesting story.

>>715518267 (OP)
What's Meatwad doing on /v/ and why does he hate New Vegas so much?

>>715552538
It’s usually just some schizo that will come up with some poorly conceived argument and then fail to argue it. And when he gets btfo he’ll start spamming tranny shit to cope.

Why are so many F:NV fans trans?

>>715552297
>munching snacks before the TV and telling they could totally survive that.
Maybe i could?

>>715552919
how come every Fo3 thread ends with someone posting this exact comment?

>>715552731
>>715552919
right on que

>>715553202
Probably, like me, they used to played it years ago and when they decided to reinstall it they looked around for mods only to find that every single space online that discusses this one particular game is absolutely dominated by trans related discussion.

Yes, I know that trans people play other games, but if I decide to play say Dark Void or Smackdown vs Raw 2010 I can go look stuff up for them and not have every other comment be about some fag in a dress waxing poetic about how those games were his "egg cracking moment."

What is it about this one specific game that makes it so the trangender community latch on so hard?

>>715553627
>reddit space storytime about mods making anon mad
didnt read the rest. Begone schizo.

>>715553687
Is gaslighting the only thing that trans people have successfully stole from women?

>>715553787
you somehow mistook my 100% accurate post for gaslighting. Schizo moment.

>>715518267 (OP)
Nobody acts like it has a bulletproof narrative. I appreciate it when people are wrong early in their posts so that I don't have to waste my time reading the whole thing.

>>715551775
>Maybe play the game, cause it tells you there isn't.
It does? Prove it. Post it right fucking here. I'll wait. If I see anything other than a direct quote from the game where House or some source that could reasonably know this like an old Robco terminal saying 'btw there's no way to fucking restock this army' then I'm throwing it out. Stop headcanoning dumb NCRfag.

>>715518267 (OP)
"Water chips" and power armor exist in this world and this dude is salty over a dam

>>715552919
BECAUSE ALL NERD SHIT IS FILLED WITH TRANNIES!!!! NOT NEW VEGAS. NOT D&D. NOT ANIME. NOT STAR WARS. NOT STAR TREK. NOT EVEN THE MATRIX (fuck the Wachowskis, them/they are full of shit and can go fuck xemselves, they retconned their own message to cope). All the fucking above and then some.

If it's popular with nerds, it's filled with trannies. Trannies are disproportionately autistic. There are no female speedrunners, yet shit tons of trannies in the speedrunning community. If the goal is to be a woman, then why gravitate to shit where there are so few women the trannies frequently outnumber the women? Simple, trannies are just full of shit and you dumb motherfuckers are falling for their bait harder those soccer moms in the 90s who blamed intercity violence on rap lyrics and not on the niggers who listen to them fell for b8 spread by jewish record producers.

>>715555561
Play the fucking games instead of proofstering.

>>715555864
Water chips exist irl.
t. water purification plant engineer

>>715551775
>Maybe play the game, cause it tells you there isn't
Oh nvrmind, you're just outright fucking lying.
>Its LOGISTICS, retard. House does not produce ANYTHING he needs to stay supplied.
Neither does half the fucking world. They all seem to be doing fine. House has water. California has too few water sources IRL and a water shortage problem so bad the real-life non-nuked state of California can't solve it. If real California can't solve it, how the fuck does the irradiated shithole of giant man eating scorpions that is the New California Republic solve it? How does the dusty hellscape that "drained the aquafers" of all their water decades ago, where Hanlon says you can't find enough water in one place to even see the sunrise over water, possibly survive without the Colorado River? How the fuck does the NCR build the army to fight the war without power from the dam? How the fuck does the NCR muster an army to fight Vegas when the occupation is so unpopular it's destroying Kimball's administration?

The other anon is underselling the Securitron army. We are never told how big the Securitron army is, just that it consists of 'thousands'. Fuck his lowball of 2000-5000; how do we know it isn't 10000 strong? Do we know that to be the case? No, but don't know it's not the case either. Every other Housefag ITT is underselling their win possibilities, and how House still wins even under those restrictions, but if they are wrong, then it's because House wins even harder.

Who even cares? House could have 50 Securitrons and still win because his win conditions include knocking out the Kimball admin. It would, realistically, take a decade minimum for the NCR hawks to rebuild their case to invade Vegas. What's Vegas going to look like in ten years? He has more water and energy then he could possibly use and plenty of infrastructure for factories and mines. Food is the sole thing he doesn't have. He can negotiate and the NCR has more reason to play ball then House does.

>>715556615
lol, I fucking knew it

>>715558225
>secondary who did not play the game opining on stuff

Also, house has fucking NOTHING everything from food to water to cash comes from NCR. He could be cut away from literally every single thing possible.

>>715558401
So you admit not playing the game.

What level autism is, "every character not making mathematically optimal decisions at all times is a plothole"?

>>715558925
>"Holy shit anon, I am fucking right. They literally say House has 0 means of maintaining the Securitron army. You can tell by the fact I can't and won't cite a single bit of dialogue to back it up.
You know how to make me look really stupid right now? If you post a fucking source. I'm still waiting faggot.

You can't cause you're pulling this shit out of your ass, that's why.

>>715536197
It's the last RPG released by a AAA studio that had old school CRPG sensibilities in its writing and world building, and that's largely because it was headed by Chris Avellone (PBUH). Other games try to imitate the old ways, but they always corrupt with modern sensibilities, either in the writing or in the visuals or bloated gameplay design. People forget that old CRPG's had a lot of ways to engage with the world, but was still lean and tight with the things to engage with. Nowadays everything needs a million sidequests and minigames and collectibles.

>>715556646
Do they let you take free samples home?

TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS

there's a big ass fence in the water that catches the garbage, it's literally in the game
checkmate, trannies

>>715518267 (OP)
>9 months+fighting age
vs
>around a couple weeks
Yea, that makes sense

>>715553687
Moot himself used “Reddit spacing” it’s called formatting you retarded nigger

>>715553687

this is reddit spacing dumb cunt

>>715551371
Did you know blue states make up 70% of America's GDP? California was net positive 81 billion in the same year Texas was net negative 76bn - meaning blue states subsidize the """production""" of the welfare queen red states and are the only reason they can so pridefully tout their factory-driven economy boasts.

House's plan is beyond solid. He's consolidating wealth in preparation to subsidize industrialization efforts in one of the only regions of the planet capable of industrial and agricultural development.

Why is so much of the New Vegas fanbase trannies?

>>715561097
Following big sister's lead.

>>715560312
Yes, they're diamond dozen over here.

>>715561646
Based. I worked at a McDonalds and got fired for taking a cup of coke home with me. Fuck McDonalds, greedy ass jewish niggas.

>>715561097
They aren't, nerds in general just tend to troon. Otherwise I wouldn't be seeing them derailing D&D and trying to do the same with Warhammer right now.

>>715561097
https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-insider/how-fallout-new-vegas-became-one-of-the-trans-communitys-favorite-video-games

>>715528120
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>>715538437
I've honestly never seen the point in killing him since he always runs off into radscorpions

>>715562957
>Nerds troon out
>Troon nerds continue liking nerdcore game from their childhood
>this requires a degree in advanced 4chanology to crack the code for people here
This culture war shit is so fucking retarded

>>715551371
>That said, look at how easily a Legionary can kill an NCR trooper.

In stand up fight the NCR win most fights. The service rifle puts in work.

https://youtu.be/Dn8dXdeeQHE?si=J6sKDsZRXul3RUx5