Thread 715586079

how much do you really need?

>>715586079 (OP)
top is all you need if you have competent texture artists

>>715586079 (OP)
>1684 polygons
bloat

Enough for it to look good. Might be 1, might be 3.

>>715586168
fpbp

>>715586079 (OP)
>needing more than sprites
The fuck for?

>>715586168
>You don't need meat in a burger if you have competent bread bakers

faggots eternally stuck in 2010 still going on about polycount like it matters
dam

4 polys, at MOST.

>>715586320
>food analogy
>still getting the equivalence wrong

>>715586320
>food analogy

>>715586079 (OP)
https://blog.playstation.com/2019/12/16/the-polygonal-evolution-of-5-iconic-playstation-characters/

>>715586079 (OP)
>screenshot
This shitty pic is already poorly optimized for the content you want to display

>>715586079 (OP)
Level 1 with good textures is plenty.

>>715586079 (OP)
This might be a dumb question but how many polygons does real life have?

>>715586641
3.50

>>715586365 this, polygons aren't the problem today

>>715586447
>Europoor disappointed in not having a semen drinking analogy to identify with

>>715586168
fpbp
>>715586320
You can have molecular thin knives but it still doesn't make the ingredients taste better

>>715586641
if you consider a planck area as a polygon, then the average person needs 7.655×10^69 polygons to represent their existence.

the least amount possible to still be an excellent game

>>715586641
It is a dumb question. Real life is not a computer and therefore most things are not made of polygons.
A better analogy for how matter is structures is to say everything is made up of tiny spherical voxels (even though that isn't exactly accurate either).

>>715586079 (OP)
Enough to not notice sharp edges, then use textures and maps.

>>715586168
>competent artists
>in the Era Of Ubiquitous Tumblr Style

>>715586471
I'll translate it for him. Think of it like Pong. You need a paddle AND a ball to play, right? Now imagine you're Super Mario. You could just stomp turtles all day, but why miss out on those sweet sweet coins? Sonic the Hedgehog could just walk through all the levels, but why walk when you can run?

>>715586320
the whole burger is there, it's just not plated for a visual ad

>>715586079 (OP)
>SOVL
>soulless
>nuslop

>>715586079 (OP)
Good texture work > polgyon count
Textures are a lost art, everything is PBR has been a disaster everything looks plastic now

>>715586968
*The whole burger is there, it has just been but into a blender and turned into a soup because visuals dont matter

>>715587070
kek, true

>>715587086
>visuals dont matter
says who?

>>715587168
the top 10 played charts of every platform
>minecraft, gta5, fifa, roblox

>>715586168
too many polygons

>>715587293
Interesting!

>>715587224
but anon, those games have visuals
VIDEO games desho?

>>715586079 (OP)
Level 2 is more than enough if you're not some mindbroken Nvidia fanboy.

>>715587293
the og image was kinda misleading but i dont see how it was necessarily wrong, even in the bottom the gains are still not as huge as the previous

>>715587356
ya got me

i dont care about seeing each individual hair or fur strand
i dont care if the hair doesn't sway 100 percent realistically in wind
i dont care about seeing pores on skin
i dont care about the retina having a reflection

lvl3 is used to bake normals and AO for lvl2, it's also sometimes used for texturing (for vertex colors)
lvl1 is the animation and UV model
>>715587580
a lot of that stuff is super easy and handled through maps these days. Hair maps, fur maps, etc. instead of oldschool modeled shell-fur

>>715586079 (OP)
top is good for stylized takes with hand painted textures
mid is good for games with normal mapped models
bottom is for rendered video

>>715587795
26k for a model is still a but high imo, especially if it's something player-sized and not like a 20ft tall boss monster

>>715587869
it really isn't

>>715587869
>“Kratos from God of War 2 (PS2) had 5,700 polygons for his entire body, 1,200 of those for the face and used five textures. Kratos from God of War 3 (PS3) had 64,000 polygons for his entire body, 5,700 for the face, which was already a big improvement. But compared to what we can do with the PS4 system, it is still not enough for what we wanted to accomplish. The Kratos for God of War (PS4) has 80,000 polygons in total, with 32,000 for the face – 30x what we had for the PS2 models.

>>715587752
im glad i know what all those terms are

>>715588041
>we were to lazy to make it work with 64k

>>715586079 (OP)
No more than fallout 2 or factorio when you have a great story or a great set of mechanics. if you need anymore you should either make good physics or beautiful works of art

>Our character models are super fucking detailed!
>Sure, most of the time you won't see it, or care, but look! You can see each individual hair!
>So what if it tanks the frame rate!?

>>715586168
fpbp. Zoomers wouldn't understand

>>715588597
tfw when we're gonna get fag tracing instead of more detailed physics

>>715586168
Pixel shaders are dark sorcery. In this house we worship triangles.

>>715586079 (OP)
Top for the game, bottom to bake a normal map from.

>>715587293
dont need or want my games looking like wrinkly ball sacks

Top model can look better than the bottom one if you have proper texturing and custom shaders.

>>715588734
How many pixels is his head?

>>715586079 (OP)
top for gamey games, middle for movie games, no game should ever look like the bottom

>>715588986
actual movies look like the bottom

>>715586419
what I don't get is why add more polygons when they could just bend them? They use a million flat things to simulate a curve, just use a fucking curve
I'm not being entirely joking here, why not use vector defined shapes rather than loads of flat ones? Obviously it used more processing power in the old days but at this point the level of detail they go for it would almost be worthwhile to design a function-defined 3d engine that could handle curved shapes, no?

>>715589073
you must be retarded. no one does organic vector models

>>715586079 (OP)
How many polys do you need to make up for the lack of fun?

>>715589319
at least 12

>>715589219
I know I'm retarded I just wanted to know how (in what way, not quantity) I'm retarded

Whatever is the new record breaking high. Everything underneath is shovelware.

>>715586079 (OP)
All those fucking polygons and motherfuckers still can't animate scarves or stop shit from clipping into each other

>>715586079 (OP)
More the better.
In a few decades you need 1024GB RAM, 512GB VRAM, 50GHz processor, 2PB SSD and 16K monitor to run a calculator on your PC, but 99% of those numbers displayed are just AI hallucination to improve the FPS.

>>715590000
umm sister, are you forgetting cloud gaming???

>a guy with a mustache
>a monster
I don't need 999999999 polygons to recognize what's what. That's all I need.

>>715588734
pixel shader jump scare

>>715590650
>needing polygons
lmao. fucking loser. shaded sprites are all you need.

>>715590935
The werewolf guy capturing the player heroine did things to my pp when I was a kid

who needs graphics when all you need are words in the first place. What are you, a retard who can't read?

>>715586079 (OP)
The best solution is: lowest possible polycount and then any detail is to be added in dynamically with tessellation.

>>715591040
these were cool books

>>715586320
Imagine being at computers

>>715586079 (OP)
Resolution level: 7
Do away with all the triangles and just render an image. (AI)

When the triangles are smaller than the pixels on your screen you're being inefficient and wasteful.

>>715586168
fpbp I'm closing the thread

>>715589452
they have no answer for you. But, look up obloid models. They competed with polygons at first but are now only occasionally used. Dreams on the PS4 used them as an example.

>>715592575
because it's a complicated answer with multiple issues

>>715586168
fpbp

>>715586079 (OP)
For me 64x64 pixels is more than enough, they don't even have to be fully 3d polygonal models.

>>715587293
Why use bottom when you can just use texture maps
>t. doesn't know how to model

>>715593825
>he doesn't know
texture maps got patched out last week