Thread 715601541

Why is atlus pumping out these slop remakes instead of focusing their efforts on releasing Persona 6? It's been nearly 10 years since P5. Why doesnt atlus want to move on?

Infinite money glitch

Because they know Personafags will eat up any shit labeled as Persona, or that tries copying its shit.

>>715601541 (OP)
NOT ON SWITCH
NO CARE

>>715601541 (OP)
old ones low key clunky

Laziness, just like all the fucking movie remakes since 2010 or so. Pure fucking laziness that NPC shitwits will swallow up like their mom did with black guys in college.

You can get money and new devs get familiar with Persona. It's a win-win

>Spend time making new game, writing new story, characters, setting etc...
VS
>Remake old game

Both are gonna sell loads off name alone so what do you think they prefer?

>>715601541 (OP)
Atlus wants to get every dime out of the p5 engine they can before upgrading to p6. Hence the remakes.

They've also lost key personal that made these games what they are.

>>715601541 (OP)
It's hilarious how P6 is literally almost KH3 tier of waiting now

>>715601541 (OP)
The people working on these cashgrabs are not the same people working on Persona 6.

Maybe it's because I didn't play P5 until later but the gap from 4 to 5 feels longer than the gap from 5 to now, despite that not being the case

>>715602475
2 absolute hack companies. p5 and kh3 were their first big hd games btw

kh3: 7 years from ddd
kh4: 6,5+ years from kh3
p5: 8 years from p4
p6: 9+ years from p5

"Remaking" these games cost them next to nothing.
Making a new game is expensive

>>715601541 (OP)
Because literally everybody who mattered in the creation of the persona games left P studio to move to studio zero, and are now working on stuff like Metaphor. So P studio is just in a holding pattern right now, making spinoffs and remakes. Even if they DO make a persona 6 at this point, there is little chance it will be what you want.

>>715601541 (OP)
Because they know due to the actual talent moving on it'll be trash and forever kill the brand and its marketability.
Much easier to just coast on old legacies than make your own.

remaking 3 and 4 were good ideas tho

>>715601541 (OP)
I just don't understand why they called it fucking Revival.
Reload made sense because evokes are guns but the closest thing to revival in P4 is Nanako. Why not call it "reshuffle" or "reshoot" or something that actually fits?

>>715601541 (OP)
Because retards are willing to buy the same game with a new coat of paint over and over again. Remakes are fundamentally antithetical to creativity and exist solely to generate revenue. That is why they have no soul.

>>715604840
rewind or rerun would have been good too, I don’t think they could have picked a worse re-word to be honest

>>715605084
>rewind
Maybe
>rerun
Negative connotation. You may as well call it reheated.

>>715604945
>Remakes are fundamentally antithetical to creativity and exist solely to generate revenue.
Correction, most modern remakes are.
Before remakes used to come with redesign and a metric ton of new content.
But nowadays because they can just reuse the same assets they did before and people's standards have been eroded they can just put out the same game twice in the most literal sense. Even pokemon has gone down the drain in that regard.

Unless you're Monolith, the two ports/remakes they've done they added a hefty chunk of new content.

>>715605137
Name 5 good remakes.

>>715601541 (OP)
I wish they made Soul Hackers remake. We need to bring back cyberpunk.

>>715604945
>Because retards are willing to buy the same game with a new coat of paint over and over again
This is always the answer. Fatlus will only give us p6 once they are done milking 3-5 again. 5 being so successful was actually a bad thing for the series.

>>715605262
Have you seen SH2
The current team is completely devoid of any talent that made SMT as a whole good during the 90s and early 00s

>>715605179
Pokemon HGSS
Kirby Superstar Ultra
Blaster Master Zero
Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth
Jackie Chan

>>715605302
>Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth
That was just a brand new game. Besides the name it is not at all similar to the The Adventure.

>>715605301
You can't mess up cyberpunk. I haven't seen SH2 because it was never cracked nor released for Switch.

>>715601541 (OP)
Easy money obviously, also at this point it's only logical that P4 gets an update to be up to par with 3 and 5

>>715601541 (OP)
>>715601649
>>715604945
Atlus are fucking retarded anyways for not getting that people dont like Atlus games, hell they dont even like persona games. People who gave them the most money are Persona 5 newfags and normalfags, nobody gave a fuck about refantasio, shin megami tensei 5, raiden remake, 3 remake and if 4 remake is a success (and by success I mean persona 5 level of sales) that would be an actual surprise.

BECAUSE PERSONA 6 IS A CROSSOVER EVENT FFS

>>715605362
Who told you that? Are you trying to say it isn't a remake because they added new content?

Because the guy who made all relevant Personas said he won't make anymore so Atlus is training a successor by doing these remakes

>>715601541 (OP)
I like Ayane.

>>715601541 (OP)
Persona became their most successful video game series of theirs, surpassing the SMT series that it's part of
After Persona 5 a massive flock of new employees came to the company, but all of them wanted to work on Persona rather than making something original. It's why the people that worked on Persona 3 Reloaded don't have that many credits to them and why we're now getting remakes on top of spin-offs of spin-offs

>>715601541 (OP)
>Why is atlus pumping out slop instead of focusing their efforts on releasing an actual new game?
Atlus has been doing this for 20 years and they do it because it works. I hate it too but all you can do is not buy it.

SIGNS OF LOVE

>>715605985
>and why we're now getting remakes on top of spin-offs of spin-offs
I hate to burst your bubble but that's been Atlus' thing way before persona existed.

>>715601541 (OP)
SMT V, Soul Hackers 2, and TMS bombed

>>715601541 (OP)
Because Metaphor was shit and they don't want to release another very mediocre game.

>>715606481
>SMT V
>best selling SMT game
>bomb

>>715606396
When they did it before it was usually because there was a big generational leap like the 3 iterations of the original Megaten or the jew tactic of re-releasing the game with more features which they still do.
Now even though we're able to play a remaster of Persona 4 on modern consoles we're getting a remake on top of that. Also there was that interview where they mentioned that new employees wanted to work on Persona but I can't remember for what game the interview was.

>>715606586
Come on anon, this is the same company that released SMT 3 on ps2 three times.

>>715605262
Stop wishing evil on my favorite subseries.

It's basically because nothing will top P5, so they keep shitting out remakes nobody asked for, but somehow the fans still buy them.

>>715607307
Yeah, I said that in my post. But re-releasing doesn't take that much resources, while remaking takes a lot more.
Either way Atlus is one of the jewiest Japanese video game companies.

>>715601541 (OP)
>new VA's are going to be shit
>high chance of censorship
>going to butcher the music
Who buys this shit?

>>715604840
It's probably a reference to the Izanagi / Izanami dynamic and being creators of life in japanese mythology. Doesn't change that Rewind would make a lot more sense though.

>>715601541 (OP)
The only thing I care about, does this and the Raidou remaster open up the possibilities for remakes for the Digital Devil Saga Duology? And is there any chance for them to get the same dub cast and Etro Anime back?
Who even made the choice of using Etro Anime in the English release anyway?

>>715601541 (OP)
I thought persona 3 reload and the Raidou remaster were really good.

>>715602475
we got metaphor from Hashino just last year.
its a fantastic game, give it a try.

>>715608967
i know but lets be real here. we are all waiting for persona 6

Remember when Duke nuke forever's 14 years development cycle was laughed at but now many games take 10+ years to release anyways?

>>715601541 (OP)
>Why is atlus pumping out these slop remakes

The same reason every other dev is, because development time for original games have absolutely skyrocketed and they can't afford to go so long between releases

>>715610421
unfortunately

According to the current P Studio director the remakes are being made as training to gear up the new(ish) team for P6.

>>715610751
If they are waiting until the p4 remake is done to start, that means they are probably about 2 years away from actually starting on p6, an by extension, at least 7 years away from p6's release, assuming a rush job.
See you all in 2032 lmao

>>715601649
fpbp
cant wait for the persona 5 remake in a few years

>>715601541 (OP)
Honest answer? Because Hashino is gone. He's the heart and soul of the most famous Persona trilogy. His successor wrote P5 Strikers but as you can see the reception is not as good. It's not that they want to milk endlessly, but that they don't know how they can make Persona 6 live up to the reputation and the hype with the literal creator no longer working with them. Grim times ahead.

>>715601541 (OP)
>remake games that the average basedlennial loves
>get easy money

>take a gamble with a new purseowner which will also be far more expensive to make
>get money but it takes more effort

My actual guess is that FATlus wants to make fun games but they know they are tied to Personaslop to keep the money flow going, and remakes are faster to make so they can get away with spending dev time on games like Metaphor and SMT.

they need to release their games on the switch. soul hackers 2 and metaphor and p3 remake aren’t on switch no wonder they flopped and this one will too.
>switch (next switch 2) are the most popular consoles in Japan ever
>never release your fresh new games on it
>surprise pikachu face when they flop
>inb4 raidou
No one cares about raidou remaster (I bought it on switch to show atlus switch matters more than ps5 and fucking Xbox)

>>715612265
smt 5 vengeance also sold more on switch over all other platforms

>>715612265
>p3 remake flopped

Bingbingwahoofags are delusional

>>715601541 (OP)
Because P5 showed they clearly ran out of ideas.

friendly reminder that P5 was developed on hardware from 2006

Because P5 fucking sucked and they are just figuring out how to remake the same story as P4 for the 3rd time.

>murder mystery
>Mascot who doesnt belong in the human work
>Adachi clone
>last boss is some ancient japanese God

P3 and 4 are the only unique games.

>>715604840
>>715605084
>reshuffle
>reshoot
>rewind
>rerun
Once again, 2 anons just shooting the shit have better ideas than a million dollar company

they are funding for SMT VI bro
Persona is dead

>>715605179
>>715605302
Trauma Center second opinion

>Godshino left the persona team
>suddenly its shit
Really makes me think
Metaphor sequel can't come soon enough

>>715605658
this is the absolute worst possible outcome and it’s insane that so many people actually want this

>>715601541 (OP)
I bet Metaphor's development hell pushed back P6 by 5+ years, these are just cashgrabs to compensate

>>715612581
>xhe thinks we’ll be getting a new SMT

They are waiting until I finally play all these fucking games. Little do they know, I've only ever played a couple hours of P4 on PS2, and never even tried any other game in the series.

>>715610751
>10 years since release
>haven’t even begun work on P6
it’s so over

>>715612402
>freakin adults suck! we’re 17 now and know everything! kids RULE!
people in their 20s and 30s unironically played and enjoyed this shit

I’m getting old I don’t care for persona. I played aoul hackers 2, gimme a sexy protagonist but without the shit dungeon crawling and singular dungeon theme

there’s simply no reason these games are as long as they are

>>715612581
The next SMT will be Chaos-focused with an experimental setting right? Hopefully they get a good staff for it, I would love SMT IV's staff but they seemingly only want to work on cheaper projects and remaster. Which remaining ATLUS staff members would be able to make a good SMT VI?

>>715601541 (OP)
Because they, like most studios, have realized remaking games is 10% of the cost and time to make a new game, and they make just as much money. And there's no thinking or design or anything, it's literally just remaking some 3D assets and textures, maybe remastering the soundtrack and boom. Millions of copies sold.

The only part that annoys me is, they never actually do remakes for games that would actually benefit from it.
P3/P4 don't really get anything from their remakes. You want to remake games that were held back by tech or budget limitations, or simply aged terribly.

Stuff like VTMB. The original Deus Ex. Final Fantasy 7 was actually a good choice (though completely revamping the gameplay was questionable). An example of a bad, pointless remaster is the upcoming MGS3 remake. There is 0 reason for it to exist except to cash grab. The game will gain nothing new from just having better graphics. MGS3's visuals hold up anyway.
That's the problem. Devs are doing it because it's easy work and money, not because they want to perfect their previous work.

>>715605262
I just want Digital Devil Saga to come back strong. Both games, added content in way of story, super bosses, extra dungeons, a character or two, options for original OST and a revamped one... just fucking take my money and make it already.

They're long due for a remake, they are so damned old at this point but still so good. Story is great, carries from first to second game, soundtrack is one of the best in the series.

>>715613929
Is there any talk of SMT VI yet? I would love if it's chaos-focused, something along the lines of SMT IV: Apocalypse.

>>715615118
This is why something like Digital Devil Saga is a great candidate. It has the SMT universe to bolster sales and the games were really fucking good and could absolutely use a remake. Let's start a petition for these games and make noise about it to show them it's wanted. Maybe that will get the gears moving.

>>715601541 (OP)
Sega wanting to transition from their internal engine to UE5 so they can inject "new blood" (browns) into the dev cycle
P5X was their test to see how to outsource

>>715616448
>I just want Digital Devil Saga to come back strong.
A remake with the full intended story would be nice though I think they'll probably just get Raidou-level remasters instead. I'd love to be wrong though.

>>715616927
What do you mean full intended story? There was more that was cut out or something?

>>715616571
>Is there any talk of SMT VI yet?
No, only theories based on patterns

>>715601541 (OP)
>start playing Persona 4 golden
>remake on the way
kill me

>>715605302
>HGSS
Agreed although FRLG really aren't that bad either. Even though the postgame is pretty lacking compared to later games, it at least makes the original games much more playable in all the ways that matter. Not gonna go into the RSE or DPP shitmakes though, good God.

>Jackie Chan
I would've gone with REmake but sure.

>>715617872
>kill me

Why? Just finish it and then wait for the remake to get a big discount in a year or so before buying it. It's not going to be 100% the same anyway.

>>715618260
I'm not replaying it.

>>715617696
>>715616927
To answer your question: Digital Devil Saga duology story was outsourced and penned by a Japanese woman author. She got sick after DDS1 and so ATLUS decided to use fill-in the story themselves. This is why there are strange minor inconsistencies between the two games, primarily the characterization and motives. The first DDS setup the minor league villains whose overall contribution to the plot was downsized in DDS2. You can tell right away when things just seem off from the presentation of the ideas to the execution of the ideas in DDS2. You'd be better off remaking them with a proper cohesive storyline but I wasn't the biggest fan. The cannibalism aspect for example isn't even that consequential in the sequel for the story, just a gameplay novelty.

As for "Raidou 1 style remaster", the first game will have to sell well wouldn't you agree? Raidou 1 is a step above the SMT3 HD Remaster, since they included new demons and backported the gameplay system of Raidou 2 to 1. It's something of a halfway remake of Raidou 1 and it didn't sell well. I would not get my hopes up for DDS because that is a bigger niche than Raidou. I don't think they're that great, a curiosity of gameplay ideas in DDS2 because of how the gameplay deprives you of certain party members. It's different but enough to make me clamor it, unlike the DS era Devil Survivor which are the good type of different takes on SMT.

>>715618463
>>715617872
P4 PS2 was 80-90 hours. The Golden version added enough content to make it 100-110 hours roughly.

Persona 4 fans got 8 games, 3 animes (original 4, 4 OVA, and 4 Golden Marie anime. P4 bandwagones caused Persona franchise pain, you you should all suffer with P5 for just as much we endure P4 Reddit Resetera Twitter poser fans.

they are going to milk the personafags dry to fund for their next SMT game, and also metaphor sequel i guess
Hashino leaving the P-team is going to slow them down a lot

I kinda want a proper Strange Journey remake ngl.

>>715619176
Is a Metaphor sequel confirmed or are you just guessing?

>>715619248
Redux was nice enough adding QoL. I guess one on consoles would be good but I don't know that it needs it. It was a fantastic game but I don't know what more you can do with it at this point. First-person dungeon crawlers like that can only go so far.

>>715619248
>thinking atlus will ever make something like that ever again

>>715619248
I don't even give a fuck about a proper remake
There's like 50 games stuck on nintenslop including strange journey and smt 4
There is no way to (legally of course) play them now and it's not like atlus are strangers to steam, literally just do a half ass remaster of all these tendie bound titles

>>715619837
just get a steamdeck and emulate them its not hard

>>715619940
>buying handheld slop even if gaben approved
no

>>715612643
We just want to see the moment door-kun comes back, mainly. If done correctly, the kino potential is through the roof. Could be the anime equivalent of Dougie Jones turning back into Agent Cooper.

>>715601541 (OP)
Atlus can’t make a decent Persona anymore. Not only do they have to cater to the ‘modern audience’ in order to sell in the western market, Persona 5 was already showing signs of a decline in the quality of the writing in the series that was a success because it was most people ‘s first introduction to persona. Better to milk already established games via overpriced remakes rather than reveal the emperor has no clothes and damn all future releases regardless.

>>715616673
DDS won't get a remake. The sales were bad, and unlike with modern games where you have a chorus of retards shouting ritual chants to summon the next TORtanic, DDS actually did sell bad. Atlus remembers that and so will Sega. As much as I love DDS, it's not happening.

>>715601541 (OP)
So what happens after they released Persona 6?
They'll run out of games to remake. And yes, even they know nobody cares about P1 & P2

They know that their current writers are not as good as like in the PS2 era, so they want to re-release the "good" games, of all their new titles, only Persona 5 sold well, SMT5/SH2/Metaphor failed to sell more than 3 milion copies.

>>715622097
They can make me care about it. Just drop Persona 2's story on 3-5 style game

persona peaked at 4. 5 is an overrated garbage

>>715622097
By then the industry will have invented new gimmicks and they'll remake the same games again.

>New audience introduced to series 10x bigger than anyone who bought the old games originally
>Can now sell them the old games by just prettying them up a bit