Thread 715674191

>game has a difficulty select for the language
seriously?

>>715674191 (OP)
What part of "Pokemon is a game for kids" you don't understand?

>>715674363
Gen 5 specifically was designed to appeal to broader audience, that's why the implemented non trivial Kanjis (like the ones for money) as an option, for older players

>>715674191 (OP)
kanji mode is easier. trust me
>>715674528
gen 8 onwards adds furigana so it's a moot point

>>715676870
>moot
who the fuck is that??

>>715674191 (OP)
Do we really need kanji? Aren't we past that by now? We don't need to honor the chink overlords.

>>715674191 (OP)
kanji is the final boss
>>715678014
>Do we really need kanji? Aren't we past that by now?
Unfortunately yes. Kanji may be pure cancer but without it the text is usually even less readable somehow

If your language needs an "easy mode" then maybe its a shitty language

>>715676987
sigourney weaver's son.

>>715679416
Stupid gaijin

>>715678014
Kanji is necessary because several Japanese words have the same sound, making a hiragana spelling of them virtually identical.
Here’s a simple example.

>雲はだいすき!
I love clouds!

>蜘蛛はだいすき!
I love spiders!

In hiragana, both would be
>くもはだいすき!

Now imagine if every single sentence in the game had you second guessing what the character is actually referring to.

Plus, most of the time you’re just looking at the shape of the kanji.

森 means forest.
What’s easier. That one character or もり?

So when you see
>これの森はすごい!
This forest is amazing!

It’s a lot faster to read than
>これのもりはすごい!

And those are baby sentences. Imagine sentences with bigger words where several kanji can be used all to reduce the character count.

>>715674191 (OP)
Wait until you hear about Pikmin.

>>715678370
>kanji is the final boss
ngmi
the real final boss are onomatopoeic and mimetic sounds and kana-only words, as you can't infer what they mean from anything
pittari, kikkari, tekkiri, kossori, garandou, pokkari, dondon, ujauja, gisshiri, bacchiri, kankan, sukatto, suratto, guzuguzu, guragura, ujiuji, mojimoji, gajigaji, peshanko, pikopiko, gangan, gyutto, tonto, kirakira, gyafun, washawasha, dokkiri, etc.
jukujikun suck too though (e.g. ainiku, kenage, karada, yagi, koma, komame, azuki, ikuji)

>>715680824
Just take all the free ones life gives you and then worry about the fucking nonsense ass ones later when you have more free mental overhead.

>>715680824
My only problem with kanji is I can’t remember them all and there’s no easy way to flash card them, anki is fucking awful

>>715681157
>anki is fucking awful
it is unironically great
>I can’t remember them all
You don't need to remember them in isolation. Just try learning new words and then practice by reading some text (manga / video games etc)

>>715680824
>and kana-only words, as you can't infer what they mean from anything
Is that even a thing?
Unless it is an ancient ass game that didn't have enough RAM to store kanji I don't think any game ever did something like that
Plus usually it is fairly easy to guess the meaning from the context

>>715681483
>Is that even a thing?
yes. with moonrunes you can infer that 冷蔵庫 is fridge. 冷たい(cold)+蔵(くら, also see 倉(also くらwarehouse, granary). synonym of the very common 倉庫)+庫(also reads くら, appears in 倉庫, warehouse)
meanwhile I can't remember what the fuck けったい is

>>715681282
It’s a clunky system, it doesn’t let you do a proper test, it doesn’t track your progress, and it relies solely on user made content, many of which are awful. I hate everything about Anki

>>715680028
>雲はだいすき!
>I love clouds!
>蜘蛛はだいすき!
>I love spiders!
>In hiragana, both would be
>くもはだいすき!
That's a lot like record, tear, and lead.
Which pronunciation came to you first

>>715682183
>and it relies solely on user made content
core deck is perfectly fine
>it doesn’t let you do a proper test,
What even counts as a proper test to you? Do you actually want to learn the language or just learn how to pass JLPT tests?
>doesn’t track your progress,
It has fairly extensive statistics capabilities and various charts

>>715682183
Just read more then.

>>715682016
Dunno, doesn't seem to be that difficult (or frequent)
You can always just check words in the dictionary and see the best matches
Or use an LLM
Kanji on the other hand are really frequent and it can be really tedious to play Japanese games with the dictionary
I wish every modern game at the very least included furigana

>>715681157
>>715681282
Anki feels alright, but I wish it had more customization. Something like a highlight for what makes certain kanji would make the initial kanji learning significantly easier, pic related was one I quickly grabbed as an example.
I just cope with weird mnemonics.

>>715683137
>I wish every modern game at the very least included furigana
Why should an entire language cater to your illiterate ass?

>>715683137
>You can always just check words in the dictionary and see the best matches
>Or use an LLM
>it can be really tedious to play Japanese games with the dictionary
I don't know what you're bitching about. if you don't know a word's meaning you're gonna have to use a dictionary whether you're playing kanasoup or muramasa. being able to enunciate a word or not makes no difference
if you think kanji lookups are too slow then you have texthookers and OCR tools, then you can use your favorite tool for lookups (hover dictionaries, goldendict, dicttango, etc.)

>>715683632
Because it would count as accessibility options for my illiterate ass and accessibility options are a normal thing in modern day gamedev

>>715683938
how does having the readings help you save time? you still look up the word

>>715683824
>if you think kanji lookups are too slow then you have texthookers and OCR tools,
I don't get what you are bitching about either
Being able to read kana only word and guess it is meaning is way easier than being unable to even know how the word is pronounced
Plus sometimes you know the word but just don't know how it is spelled
Text hooks are pain in the ass to set up
OCR is fine but it still takes times and disrupts your gameplay.
It is fine for something like reading manga / VNs but not for playing RPGs

>>715684040
maybe because I can just type it directly into the dictionary by using romanji?
https://jisho.org/search/watashi

>>715684158
>romanji

>>715680962
>dude, don't take advice from native speaking nips, take advice from me, an autistic digimon-obsessed loser

pottery

>>715684158
>romanji
oh boy...

>>715684283
Tomayto, tomahto. It can be hiragana, it makes no difference

>>715678014
>we
why are you using this word, it is obvious from your even asking that you don't know any japanese

>>715684291
>no argument
>resorts to namecalling
Here, I found a song for you to sing because you lost this argument.
https://youtu.be/aUd6-V5M19A

>>715684381
romanji isn't a word thoughbeit. this isn't tomato tomato, you just got the word wrong you fucking moron. romaji is a word you learn in the first week of JPN 101 btw

>>715684474
Jesus, so you care that I wrote romanji instead of romaji?
I mean, it is fine to be autistic when learning Japanese but come on

>>715684464
we aren't arguing. that you are an autistic manchild who probably larps about knowing japanese is objective fact and entirely evident from your insipid post. for example, an autist would not be able to reconcile the fact that almost nobody else is going to know enough about digimon to help them learn japanese.
to say nothing of the fact that you have apparently screencapped your own post from another thread to share in future threads as if it's somehow useful advice and not an embarrassing showcase of your syndrome, whichever one you might be suffering from

>>715674191 (OP)
Wait a minute, these two boxes are saying different things.

>>715682651
i pronounce it data, not data.

>>715684069
>Plus sometimes you know the word but just don't know how it is spelled
texthookers, ocr,search by radical, handwriting input
all you need
>read kana only words and guess their meaning
sure, like ayamaru. or kawaru. or toru. so easy to guess their meanings without moonrunes
you have the tools. you have the reasons why. stop making excuses

>>715684696
>handwriting input
jisho's is fucking dreadful, thank fucking god for google mayne

>>715680028
>これの森

>>715684737
ime pad, faggot, do you use it?

>>715684696
>search by radical, handwriting input
Thanks but no thanks
With furigana I can find the right work in seconds instead of sitting all day trying to draw ancient Chinese pictographs

>>715684795
i don't use pads, i'm not a woman. that was a dumb question, anonymous. not really sure what it has to do with japanese input anyway

>>715684623
Nah, just more flavor and nuance with the kanji. The hiragana uses baby words since kids reading it probably wouldn't have more detailed concepts like 談笑

>>715676987
you may know him as luggage lad

>>715684880
well, not to derail the argument, but you should be learning to write alongside learning to read. it's much better for your retention and i hope i don't have to explain why being able to write is useful. you don't have to know the stroke order to get decent handwriting input to recognize the kanji you are trying to input. just trace it if you have to. furigana are more common than disingenuous autists in this thread would have you believe but you can't depend on them, that's a crutch

>>715684795
Not him, but Window's default one isn't as good as google translate.

>>715685056
google translate is the only halfway decent one i've used, but i haven't actually tried anything else since like 2020 so maybe others are better these days. who knows

>>715685056
it's never failed me once. you must be inputting the wrong number of strokes, or not using the correct ones. not sure how well it handles wrong stroke orders vut I'm guessing it's quite forgiving

>>715685176
well, i have shitty handwriting even in english, i won't pretend that's not a factor. it doesn't happen very often anymore but i will just guess at stroke order if i don't know it, so sometimes i am inputting the wrong stroke order. google translate still never lets me down

>tfw ive failed to learn since 2009 despite taking college classes and years of private tutoring

I’ll never understand Japanese

>>715685349
just gonna let her win like that? will you fight or die like a dog?

>>715685349
What part don't you get?

>>715684637
Fucking fag. I bet you pronounce it gif and not gif too.

>>715674191 (OP)
Oh man, you have to try the Uma Musume game—it’s this insanely polished mobile title where you raise these horse girls (yes, that’s right) into elite racing idols. The training system is super strategic, and you form deep emotional bonds with your characters as you guide them to stardom—and like, the drama? It hits. Like that one arc where Oguri Cap’s career is on the line and she’s recovering from injury, and her whole comeback hinges on that one final race in the snow at Nakayama. I swear, the way she pushes through the pain and wins—I was in tears. The pacing, the inner monologues, even the gritty rivalry with Mihono Bourbon... top-tier writing.

>Game for children has an option for children
What the FUARK????

>>715685349
Sink or swim, anon. Get a student visa and spend the 2 years max they gave you for doing language course to finally properly learn Jap

>>715685047
If you are learning - sure. If there is something that can help you with learning it would be stupid not to try it out.
But sometimes you just want to know what the character is saying and move on
Plus furigana also helps you with learning the word. If you see it a lot in the text sooner or later you'll learn how to read it even without relying on furigana.
Also I would argue that writing by itself is not that important of a skill, everyone just uses keyboards these days anyway

>>715685662
>Also I would argue that writing by itself is not that important of a skill, everyone just uses keyboards these days anyway
this was my cope before i moved to kyoto, anonymous. i paid for that laziness for years. if you aren't learning writing properly, start now. you don't want to study the language just to live in your lame country being a degenerate weeaboo, right?

>>715685662
all furigana does for me is make it easier to look stuff up. that's it.
>writing by itself is not that important
whatever floats your boat. I'm not here to shill moonrune writing

>>715685918
>you don't want to study the language just to live in your lame country being a degenerate weeaboo, right?
To be honest, I just want to play untranslated / butchered by the localization vidya and also read manga
Not everyone has the same use cases
That aside, it is still good to know that it is actually required if you plan to live in Japan so thanks for sharing

>>715686117
when you do decide you want to live there,i have more advice. just forget about your middle names. i have two middle names, 4 names total, all pretty short but all together they are way too long when written in katakana and fucks up everything like my bank book, stamps, official documents with my name on them, some websites and stuff... total fuckup. just forget the middle names altogether

>>715685657
I actually do have a student visa. But I ran into financial troubles and had to drop out of the school before ever going. It’s technically good until 2027, but I have no school to use it at.

>>715685475
It’s mainly memorizing words and the kanji. I can read the kana just fine and I understand the basic sentence structure.
Ur I seem to instantly forget everything I’m taught.

>>715685657
I was on a student visa to get my masters in microbiology in Japan, I didn't realize I could have just gotten one to study the language. Glad I wasted all that time in undergrad

>>715686242
Are you consistently practicing and trying to read actual stuff? Obviously you're going to forget if you just take lessons and then not do any self study.

>>715686242
Just immerse more dude. You can only stay dekinai for so long if you're actually reading and listening.

>>715680028
Have they considered using an alphabet instead of hieroglyphics?

>>715689165
The hieroglyphics you're whining about literally make it possible to read the language more quickly than it is possible to read English.

>>715689220
Nigga your little examples of gooksquiggle sentences aren't even shorter than the English

>>715681282
How do you know where to get the good cards when you're starting?

>>715689321
>雲は大好き (5 chars)
I love clouds (11 letters)

>蜘蛛は大好き (6 chars)
I love spiders (12 letters)

>この森は凄い (6 chars)
This forest is amazing (19 letters)

The Japanese is objectively shorter when written in its optimal form.

>>715689551
how many brushstrokes?

>>715674191 (OP)
>>715684970
Is there anyone fluent with kanji who played BW? Are these differences noticeable in the story dialogues? Even just in how certain concepts are expressed?

>>715689551
This assumes people read words one letter at a time, which they don't. Also, if you wanted a real comparison you would be comparing number of letters vs. either number of 偏旁冠脚 or number of strokes.

>>715688248
I was but depression made me drop ot

>already have N4
>still dogshit at kanji
Nihon no onna cream themselves when I speak barely coherent nihongo though

test

>>715691339
Anon, N1 is the "starting line" for learning Japanese. N4 is literally less than nothing.

>>715674191 (OP)
Think first gens can only display hira and kata so it's an option for people who wanted that

>>715690589
The real comparison is the entropy of the text

>>715691425
Subarashi eki. (Anata), douzo

>>715691476
>people who wanted that
It changes the script to include easier/harder words based on whether you use kana or kanji mode, and occasionally the sentence structure.

>>715679416
called a writing system baka

>>715682183
I don't have time to post it here but in essence anki isn't a learning tool its a memory tool. You're supposed to put into it things you already know but don't want to forget and the srs optimizes your reviews so you don't waste time. Its supposed to be like you review a card once a month in 3 seconds or whatever but language learners use it to goon and collect decks full of cards they don't know.

Fuck Nintendo.

>>715674191 (OP)
Kanjifags be like using them over kana makes sentences 2% shorter this mess of a system totally works dude
Yeah yeah you can reply with some stupid ass nonsensical sentence you will never ever use that uses the same kana over and over while the kanji version would have different words