Thread 715697506

>>715697506 (OP)
Not vidya, fuck off

>>715697820
I literally just lost to him in mtg arena, idk how nerds play it irl, would be a chore to keep track of everything

Another stupid card that I hate, you dont kill it the turn it comes down and the game is lost,it just strings rump into rump into rump

>as if exiling is not appropriate for colorless
>on a 7 mana planeswalker
>>715697915
>keep track of everything
"everything" being a single triggered ability? to be fair, you need pretty high iq to play paper magic

I play black and this card should be banned everywhere, it must be soulcrushing being green, on your turrn 0 seeing me plop down Nashi Moon Sage's Scion on my turn one knowing you have no real way to interact with it

>>715697820
it's engagement-bait marketing so it's as /v/ as it gets

Colorless is a stupid color

It wouldn't even be that bad if it wasn't played primarily in do nothing exile everything control decks where he shows up on turn 7, removes the one thing you have left and then locks you out of doing anything else.
So you have to play some kind of token generator spam with lands that turn into creatures that you specifically plan for after a board wipe so you can kill the enemy by turn 7 before this degenerate comes out.
At least Sunfall is rotating out of standard so this entire deck style gets like half as strong. But the monkey's paw of course makes it so that without Sunfall countering reanimator, everyone and their dog is either zombifying Valgavoth or it's another Yuna's enchantments deck.

>>715697506 (OP)
if you aren't play aggro, heavy artifact destruction, blue control or some fast combo deck you're not going to have a good time vs the new ugin in brawl

I've been playing Orvar, the All-Form recently, its okay to decent vs most matchups but I just scoop if I see ugin

I have played Magic for 10 years, so I feel like an authority on this subject: Magic sucks. Play literally any other TCG instead.

>>715697506 (OP)
I wish more abilities were on cast, fuck control players.

>>715702292
yugioh is far worse and so is one piece and pokemon. hearthstone had a chance but just had to be lolsorandom. Magic is the only card game that cares about the long term health in the way of having so many different formats you can play no other TCG does that as well as mtg

>>715702605
Magic has been a literal dumpster fire for the past 7 years

>>715702687
people have been saying that for the last 16 years and its still the biggest card game

>>715702787
Yeah because it keeps getting exponentially worse

>>715697506 (OP)
But is it good enough to run in competitive commander? That's the only question that matters these days from what I've heard.

>>715702292
I've been at it for 25, nigger you have no idea what you are talking about.
Magic sucks way worse than you think. Everyone, EVERYONE could tell that the introduction of planeswalkers was shit before, when and after it happened. No exceptions. And it's been going downhill since, with the transition into Commander being the gay way for the captive audience to cope by essentially playing houserules so much that they became official. And then once they were official they of course got shit up.
Other TCGs suck even harder. Pokemon at this point appeals primarily to scalpers/resellers scamming money out of retarded parents that don't know better. Nobody should be playing any kind of TCG, ever.

>>715702938
no it doesn't win the game when you cast it

They brought Ugin back again?

Trannies won

>>715702938
Competitive commander is a crackhead format where shit like this is never good

>>715702938
>competitive commander
Damn, If I try even a little during our games I don't get invited back for a year or two

>>715702938
No, everyone will hold up a counterspell to dunk on your ass specifically

Magic died when Garruk got canceled on twitter because of this card

>>715703389
>When this creature enters
Technically correct.

>>715703042
Planeswalkers were cool as a one off mechanic, they were weird but wotc was experimenting a lot through that era and my friends and i had a lot of fun with them
But alas, we can't have nice things

So many doomers magic is thriving

>>715703552
>or die with me
I thought women found slightly deranged murder-suicide prone hunks to be attractive, I guess the standards have shifted.

>>715703705
She's the one that cursed him but he's not supposed to be mad about it.

I would lose so many games if brawl players werent retarded. Yeah sure play your 4 mana commander as soon as possible with no protection, whats the worst fhat can happen. I play two mana agro creatures just to fish out removal because current magic players are conditioned to blast everything that comes down on the table

>>715703552
hot

>>715699820
it's actually not considered a color in mtg

>>715703978
mono brown has better top end bombs than most of the other colors

>>715697506 (OP)
I tap 2 and counter it.

>>715703978
Yeah sure, go ahead and cast this guy without colorless color.

>>715703389
>TRANSit mage
>disgusting landwhale of ambiguous sex
>summons a scrawny buck broken male phantasm symbolizing the defeat of traditional masculinity which has been relegated to a role of servitude
>boring generic artstyle
>modern world setting with guitars, cars and contemporary fashion
>female(?)/trans empowerment flavor text
Why is modern magic like this?

>>715697915
genuinely don't think mechanics like plot fortell adventures etc. were made with paper in mind. at the bare minimum they weren't made with the foresight that they'd all be overlapping in various formats

>>715703978
It is now that the colorless symbol is a thing.

Cant wait for commander in mtg arena, it will be so cancerous

>>715704123
nice try

>>715704342
>>715704458
>When I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about
There's like eight million rulings that talk about colorless not being a color
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/750653252916461568/if-colorless-is-not-a-color-why-did-you-put-the

>>715699820
Is it really a colour if its literally colourless though? This game is pretty deep when you think about it.

>>715704540
>had 10 mana ready to go
I mean if it wasnt Ugin it couldve been literally anything else to kill your opponent at that point

>>715703635
FLOURISHING

>>715704739
gotta wait until next june for them to ban anything else

>>715704739
I mean at least standard still exists

Standard bans are a sign that the R&D team needs to be completely gutted and turned over

>>715704739
yep and standard feels fresh again and now EoE is right around the corner so get ready for some kino

>>715704856
they need to be more careful with their 1 and 2 cost uncommons since they're often 4x and the backbone of most decks

>>715704963
I kinda want to make a deck around crewing planets and ships with spooky skellytons

>>715705090
The best draw 2 for 3 they've ever printed this uncommon is going for almost 9 dollars now

>feel like playing brawl in arena
>remember they have alchemy cards
>oh shit cube is back on arena
>it has alchemy cards

No thanks. I will not play any format with those piece of shit hearthstone cards.

EoE is going to open up some spicy play patterns with the warp mechanic

>>715697506 (OP)
The worst thing about Planeswalkers is that if you don't counter it, an exclusive blue mechanic, your opponent is guaranteed to get one ability activation out of it before you get priority to answer or remove it.

>>715697506 (OP)
Hey, I run that card.

>>715705362
Fuck you

>>715697506 (OP)
Isn't this completely normal fucking broken?

>>715704739
Rare Wizards W.

>>715702687
people were saying that 15 years ago

>>715698307
and that one,too!

>>715705405
its slow and you need colorless cards in your deck to keep activating the exile but yes its too big to kill by attacking and will exile your whole board quickly then ult. its pretty broken over all

>>715705405
Honestly it basically sees no play at all. It was super hyped and saw a lot of play the first 2 weeks it was out but aggro decks just run Tron and ramp decks over completely so it sees basically no play.

>>715703389
>human mage
>human

>>715697506 (OP)
If I wanted to get back to kitchen table magic is there any reason not to play with proxies?
They are way less expensive and have custom art that is superior to the procedurally generated slop that most of the official cards have

>>715705578
if you proxy don't just go print the strongest cards all the time for every deck then its fine

>>715705542
>so it sees basically no play.
It does see play, but it requires a specific kind of deck to work. The kind that shuts down everything you are trying to do, then puts out Ugin, uses him to generate card advantage and then grinds out a victory.
It works, but it's extremely boring to the point where only true psychopaths whose only objective is to force the opponent to sit through half an hour of boredom play it. It's bad for ranking because games take forever and the win rate is positive, but not particularly impressive.

>>715705578
I exclusively play with proxies with my friends these days. Some of them are actively boycotting WOTC, others just don't see the point in paying them actual money when we can print the cards.

>>715705578
Commander players generally don't care, but you should mention that you are.

I fucking hate EoE so god damn much. MaRo forced this shitty set through because he got so butthurt people weren't clamouring for more spaceshit after Unfinity flopped and EDHfags weren't shoving their deck full of Le Funni Spaec cards.

Now he has to force all the leftover cards into our faces into another shitty Hat set

>>715706440
Every set is a wacky/hat set now unless its returning to an old plane. New "in universe" sets are more wacky than some of the UB shit we get now.

>>715705501
Mind posting your Flubs deck? Ive been wanting to build him in paper.

>if $COMMANDER_SHIT would happen, do ANOTHER round of $COMMANDER_SHIT
Wow, thanks for this amazing set, WotC. More space cards completely divorced from the setting in my high fantasy game, please.

>>715705571
is this a dude

>>715706651
Why did Magic move away from 3-set blocks anyway? Why can I only enjoy Eldraine one set at a time?

>>715707292
WOTC said the third set always sold like crap, so then they moved to two sets, and then one.

>>715707292
It was very recent and the actual reason is changing the setting more often means more sales since people who don't care about a plane will come back sooner.

>>715707660
Maybe don't have bad sets and people won't leave. Who the fuck is Aetherdrift for?

>>715707765
The people in charge of Magic hate fantasy and want to be seen as cool and hip by people who don't care about MtG

>>715697915
I only play commander with the bros. Anyone who pulls out overpowered shit gets ganged up on by 3-5 people and it equals out

>>715706836
This is the one I am using in paper. Arena doesn't have all the cards. Works reasonably well in bracket 2-3.

>>715707862
Then give me back Mirrodin.

>>715703635
Anon if you’re going to post custom cards at least make them believable
>Final Fantasy
>+1/+1 counters from noncreature spells on top of a 1 damage ping
>also a ritual effect because storm needed another one of those

Man I wish Arena had actual 4 person commander. So many of my paper strats rely on a pod existing. Brawl just doesn't do it for me.
I very much don't like standard. It's meta has been homogenized for decades and it's playerbase seems the angriest to interact with.

>>715708218
>fantasy
>tied into rich lore through out the entire setting
>cards refence the world and plane
Sorry, can't do that. How about another set where people put on Hats and each card is called "Jace Visits a Food Stall" and the art is Jace buying a skewer while wearing a hat.

>>715708356
Yeah I would also like that

>>715708356
MTGO

I sincerely wish a plague upon all EDHfags that cause their hands to necrotize and rot off so that magic can finally heal and be rid of this cancer. You poeple are the reverse of Smashfags where you took a game with a serious premise and shoved wacky party hat bullshit up its asshole and demanded everyone cater to you, and none of you were there for the original thing.

Die.

>>715697506 (OP)
does not exile lands. play a land deck

>>715707292
To make it easier for when UB sets became standard legal

>>715708653
you sound exactly like my faggot friend complaining about shit, whenever someone brings mtg up he starts wailing about edh like a fucking widow
they didn't demand anything, wotc saw the money in these retards, you stupid nigger

>>715708653
I am not buying new boxes to chase standard every new months, and I don't have a kidney to sell to have 4-of of some ancient as fuck overpriced card for a legacy deck. EDH only asks me for 1 copy.

>>715708653
I played standards for years and quit around Amonkhet.
EDH is so much more enjoyable than seeing the same 4 decks every time in standard.
I didn't ask for Wizards to cater to me, but I'm sure glad they are.
>shoved wacky party hat bullshit
Aethergrift, Karlov, Thunder Junction are the worst hat sets I can think of and those are standard sets with next to 0 commander staples.

>>715709818
I like that orzhov chariot zombie cat in Aetherdrift, but other than that card and the Last Ride, it's a horrible set.
With the upcoming changes with commander vehicles, I'm going to play the Last Ride as car commander.

>>715708653
>you took a game with a serious premise and shoved wacky party hat bullshit up its asshole and demanded everyone cater to you, and none of you were there for the original thing
Back in the day my playgroup switched to commander because it was a lot more convenient format from a casual perspective.
It was cheaper since only one copy of each card was needed, easier to play with a varying number of players, didn't require paying attention to standard rotation, made higher mana cost cards viable, less try hard decks could compete due to more powerful decks being targeted first by other players etc.
I don't think the commander players any more than WotC intended for commander to take over the game but when it began to gain popularity WotC started prioritizing it to please the growing commander player base which led to it becoming even more popular.

>>715709961
All the good aetherdrift cards were amonkhet cards

>>715703635
i wish i bought him at launch.
his now expensive because his standard/modern staple.
I want a copy for commander

>>715704963
>15 mana for mindslayer
why?

>>715707198
yes

>>715711464
the part where it costs less based on the creature's power means by default it's 14, not 15

>>715705279
I'm getting sick of new doublers every set

>>715713118
doublers are one of maro's fetishes just like poison counters
this is his game, we're just playing it

>>715708010
commander players are like the amish

>>715713328
We strive for simplicity here, anon. We do without those modern conveniences you take for granted.

>>715703635
man just looking at the spoiler it was so blatant that this card is retarded
>3 cmc mana dork that doesn't need to tap for some reason
>has permanent prowess that also pings so every spell is 2 extra potential damage face
>every pump spell pays for itself twice over

>>715703635
This card is just dumb

>>715698523
?

>>715706440
i feel like you COULD do a space set since magic is about as close fantasy gets to science fiction (urza, phyrexia, mirrodin, kaladesh, izzet, etc) but the DUDE REMEMBER PULP SCI FI skin is gay as fuck.

>>715706651
galaxy brain: hat sets are a way to sell in UB sets
LOTR, the fantasy part of FF and D&D sure fits more than DUDE STEPHEN KING, COWBOYS AND WACKY RACES

I like Aetherdrift

>>715715069
pffthahahHAHHAHA

>>715714617
They could've done spelljammer desu

>>715704123
he still exiles one of your permanents

>>715704342
>>715704458
then I suppose this Ugin >>715697506 (OP) can exile a colorless permanent, right?

>>715717946
Colorless is now the "0" color. Before they added basic wastes and the new symbol I would agree with you. But now it's basically the 6th color that WOTC doesn't want to fully commit to, as it'd be a rules nightmare.
OG colorless was truly a lack of color, because ANY deck could cast them, with any land. Now you need special lands that can produce "colorless" symbols, which is no different than needing special lands that can produce "red" symbols.

>>715718352
>Now you need special lands
anon, your mana rocks?

>>715718505
Thats a special card, same as utility lands. You can cast OG eldrazi with mountains only, you can't do that with the new ones.

>>715718653
what I mean is that you can perfectly cast those cards with any deck since almost all decks have access to colorless mana

Magic is dead. the fuck you arguing about? every decision is fuelled by the desire to extract more money, not to make a good product. and here you morons are arguing about the least significant shit like "colorless"

>>715718909
If you did a draft and only got the newer eldrazi, but no mana rocks/utility lands, you'd have to put basic wastes in. Because its a symbol that only certain things can produce.

>>715702292
But anon, One Piece and Weiss Schwarz are worse. The worst card game is also anime garbo
>Beyblade TCG
Lmao

>>715704739
Killing Abuelo and the mouse was a W from Wizards. You finally see some variety in decks now.

>>715699820
this, goving colorless an identity and competively costed cards was a terrible mistake. it should have remained as "can do some basic things but more inefficiently than the appropriate colors"

>>715711321
Vivi has been expensive since day 1, anon.

>>715702292
YGO is just MTG legacy (over in 2-3 turns).
Pokemon isn't even a game at this point, just a way for scalpers to rip each other off.
What else even is there?

Wow, sure seems like everybody got over the Final Fantasy wank pretty fas-
>>715703635
OK never mind lmao

>>715719378
anon I know you saw that kamsandwich vid and think you're an expert in the medium but the beyblade TCG isn't even the worst or dumbest slapdash licensed TCG that came out that year.
though I do agree OP and WS are dog shit. I wish the digimon game got better support in the west it had some promise before the power creep overtook it.

>>715719479
Standard bans being necessary AT ALL is a huge red flag and always has been

>>715719560
Eldrazi shit was never "more inefficient"

>>715702018
Does Arena have any of the Buyback cards that can trigger him? Orvar is my main EDH deck in paper.

>>715697506 (OP)
>7 mana
>strong
Well no shit. Surviving till you have 7 mana is the problem, since that on average gives at least 4~ turns to a red player to absolutely murder the fuck out of you.

>>715719707
remember when it was a massive controversy that they had to ban TWO whole cards in 2011? Now they dumpster half a dozen cards every cycle and people are just numb to it. This isn't a sign of a healthy game and I'm not sure how people still have their heads in the sand. I gave up on MTG ever getting better around the time the one-two punch of oko and lurrus were fucking every single format up. now I don't even play casually on arena anymore because it's just lost the fun. sure do love eternal formats getting rotated every two or three years by new releases completely power creeping the old stuff out of relevance.

>>715698523
Green is the colour most notoriously known for their mana dorks. You know the 1 mana cards that can block.

>>715711464
use your brain

>>715719978
I FUCKING LOVE RAMPING
GIVE ME MORE MANA
NOW DAMN YOU

>>715711464
You are never paying 15 for that, don't be stupid.

I don't usually watch other people playing video game but the autistic german guy with the gay shirt feels like he (she???) browses here

>>715704963
>Control target opponent.
So I can just be like
>I Control Jim during his next turn
>"I, Jim - forfeit and end the game."
Damn. Feels like one of those cards from the pack with Fraction Jackson and The Cheese Stands Alone

>>715720435
No. See: https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Controlling_another_player

>>715720435
no

>>715708218
DING DING DING, THIS. Mirrodin is the fucking shit!

I really dont like how everything exiles and everyone has a cheap answer to everything now.

i miss the heavy metal-style magic art

>>715720741
Maybe, just maybe that is literally called being a decent human being?

>>715706440
EoE is actually kinda neat if you don't look at human cards desu.

>>715719704
>Want to play the Gundam TCG and enjoy model kit building for the TCG as well as the usual hobby
>No players
Ass. Also WS is only good for the same reasons people like Smash Bros
>MY ANIME/GAME IS REFERENCED? HOLY SHIT!
Unironically the only way to have a Disgaea card game is through Weiss. I'll give it a pass for that

>>715706651
Even when returning you get wacky shit like clue ravnica or vampire wedding Innistrad. Even Tarkir didnt feel like Tarkir because they managed to hardwave the whole history of the plane with "dragons and clans are friends now but some dragons are still bad"

>>715720793
meawhile YGO players love interaction and encourage it, sucks to suck I guess

>>715721182
>meawhile YGO players love interaction and encourage it
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou1iKrbWkiw

>>715719707
It happens, but it's so egregious since 2017 or so.

>>715720793
WotC's obsession with making magic games last 5 minutes is baffling.

>>715721182
Interaction is good, but the best decks in MTG for the past few years dont require interaction is the thing

>>715721309
For me that's yet another thing on the pile of supporting information for "MTG is now, explicitly, from the design standpoint, primarily a digital product and not a paper product" see also ability counters, mutate, speed, the ever-growing presence of fiddly to track "this becomes this permanently but no counters or anything are involved" etc etc etc

>>715720582
>>715720534
>You can't make the controlled player concede.
It's fucking shit. Why would I spend 15 mana to NOT win?

>>715721495
>Why would I spend 15 mana
>>715720076
>>715720164

>>715721182
>Love interaction
>MUH HAND TRAP SAYS YOU DON'T GET A TURN, YUGI BOY
>NOW CHECK THIS 180 SECOND COMBO OUT!
Kek

Since they introduced planeswalkers Wizards has been chasing the retarded Ebin Explosive Turn!!! yugioh dragon and I'm sick of it

>>715721662
ITS YOUR MOVE YUGIOH
EXCEPT WHEN IT ISNT

>>715721774
except the INSTANT mtg turns into yugioh, they rightfully do the right thing and abolish the problem from every format.

>>715722047
>the INSTANT
after the packs stop selling

>>715722129
well to be fair, somewhat true. they wait till the packs were all sold and ban 1-2 months after the problem started.
I swear they used to do emergency bans...

>>715705571
this is what the regular illustration looks rike

>>715722231
EOE has a lot of DEI woke cards. disgusting arts so bad it makes you puke.

>>715722047
>Try doing something to my creatures? Free card advantage for me!
>Oh and I can also target my own creatures for free card advantage!
What were they thinking?

>>715722047
That sounded like a decent removal bait until I realised the wording allows yourself to trigger it. What the fuck?

>>715722350
>>715722348
Yeah basically lets you go infinite easily.
The "You can only do this twice each turn" doesnt matter / is only per creature.
Since the lands come in untapped, its fresh mana.
Its basically a card that once played, lets you play Solatire until you win the game usually.

Anything past tenth edition is a cancer. Luckily I have my sixth edition deck that I can still play with my friends.

>>715722348
>What were they thinking?
Money. You think card designers don't know what they're doing?

>>715722047
Horizons was such a fucking mistake. Its actually painful looking at modern decks and seeing 95% of every deck being a Horizon card.

>>715722505
It might've been semi understandable if it had been designed over a decade ago (it would still have been broken) but to release a card like this in 2024 when everyone was playing commander is utter nonsense.

>>715722348
Every game action now gives free value, it's so unfun. I play land? triggers. I cast spell? triggers I attack? triggers

>>715722231
>could easily be a homage to 5th Element opera
>uh no put this asian guy here...just because, ok?

>>715722772
I drew a card? Triggers.

>>715722772
>okay so i play this card. it has a trigger, which triggers my other card, this lets me draw 10 cards, i then play this card, triggers, also triggers this which triggers this and triggers that so then trigger I damage you for 30
KILL YOURSELF. STOP PLAYING LIKE THIS.

>>715722786
Look at the artists name and look at the art.
I'm pretty sure WotC told people to put themselves on the cards because every human in each card looks too realistic.

>>715719768
i know. they should have been. but since they were the new big bads, they made them strong

>>715722818
you drew a card? triggers
card enters graveyard? trigger
card exits graveyard? trigger

btw my triggers have triggers which give me extra triggers

>>715723107
>play commander that uses no effect / etb cards can't be blocked
>whole table seethes in rage

>>715722505
Also 3 mana cost blue green 3/4 with flying is really good in of itself, especially since blue and green have plenty of ways for the player to trigger and make use of the ability.

>>715719707
The real problem was extending how long rotation was. Most of the egregious cards on the banned list would have rotated out of standard within a few months of the ban list if they kept rotation the same.

>>715721182
I've saw some Yugioh games on youtube a few years ago and their equivalent of standard seems quite similar to competitive commander in MTG; the player who one turn kill combos successfully first wins, usually within the first few turns.

>>715723107
We literally are at that stage. No ETB or not protection is draft chaft at best because it WILL get exiled immediately otherwise.

>>715722772
>>715722818
>>715722938
>>715723029
and here I thought people loved triggers, I will have to rethink the game I'm deving

>>715723462
No? Most were from sets that would've stuck around one more year.

>>715724042
in single player games, fine. in multi-player and I have wait for retardonigger to order and resolve his triggers thinking long and hard if he needs to put +1/+1 on spiderasshole or goblindick 30 seconds each time, then he alt-tabs or looks at his phone?

I WANNA FUCKING BURN MTG TO THE GROUND

I've started consuming pre-mordern stuff because it's not tiktok MTG

>>715724124
You’re right, the WoE cards would have been gone in September and Abeulo shortly after in November but the rest would have been another year. Got my dates wrong

It's really funny seeing people who obviously don't play magic seethe at completely fine timmy cards....

>>715724042
It’s okay when you do it or when people do it effectively and quickly. But watching someone fumble through triggers or stack so many to play solitaire ruins play equity and isn’t fun.
I play with a pod where one guy loves trigger heavy decks and can’t resolve them efficiently or forgets triggers and asks to retroactively do them. Another guy plays trigger heavy decks and quickly resolves them and plays efficiently. Guy 1 sucks to play against and Guy 2 is alright.

>tfw pre-ordered spiderman collector box so I can resell it for easy money
video games

>>715722938
Trigga please. Also this is LITERALLY just Yugioh.

>>715724192
FF is the best thing to happen to MTG in years and draft would be 10/10 if not for reprint sheet being legal with too many gotcha cards.

>>715697506 (OP)
planeswalkers were a fucking mistake

>>715726521
It makes me mad that faggy final fantasy cards are faithful and my cool Tolkien cards got egregiously fucked

>>715726521
You can hate WotC all you want, but fuck me - the FF set as draft is a blast. They could've completely half-arse it and print free money, but not only is the set very faithful to Final Fantasy, its also one of the better draft format in YEARS.

>>715726521
I’d rather they just bring back big events instead of doing this Fortnite bullshit only EDHfags want

>>715726930
My nigga Barret is cool and all but I wonder if burgers ever realise how utterly disconcerting forcing niggers everywhere is for the majority of the world.

>>715727193
Barret's completey fine, he rocks. What if they made Cloud & Aerith black though?

>>715727193
Yes, they do it intentionally because the goal is to make america the great satan

tifa is fun bros

>>715727379
Made me remember the race swapped FF 7 fan art where everyone except Cloud looks just as cool.

>>715727027
The set was in production for 5 years. That's much longer than a normal set. Turns our when you spend 5 years on a set, you get to tune the draft environment a lot. Needing to go back and forth with a foreign company to get tons of approvals on things actually helped them.

>>715727623
This deck seems extremely hard to beat in current standard.

>>715728130
Tifa dies to doomblade, it's not that good.

>>715697506 (OP)
MTG autists are the worst. I literally cant comincate with these fucking freaks at games night and I wonder why they even leave arena and come out their holes. Literally they only speak in "muh shock lands and muh buster sword price" not "how was your week/who did your wife bang this week?"

Shut the fuck up and post your favorite card.

>>715726930
blame tolkiens ungrateful grandchildren
none of this shit would have happened under christopher

>>715729885
Remember when flavor text was actually worth reading?

>>715728182
No she doesn't, she is sitting behind 4 protection spells.

>>715729885
This would be a legendary in 2025 magic

>>715731720
unironically the worst thing about modern magic is that every creature is a legendary "do thing draw card" effect with some random arbitrary activated ability in different colors

>>715732323
boobies!

>>715731809
Even as a commanderfag I hate it. Uncommons shouldn't be legendary, and every rare doesn't need to be one either. Feels like every set is made for commander first and every other format second now.

>>715731809
I've genuinely never played a game of commander in my life, the closest I got was back when "commander" didn't exist and it was still EDH, and I was thumbing through some of my junk rares and thought it'd be fun to build around pic related. Not because of any synergy or table politics or any of that crap, I just liked the flavor.

>>715720582
>gaining control of a player in 2v2 means gaining control of everyone on their team
wtf that's broken
also how come I never see people talk about 2v2

>>715734376
it's easy to blame commander for everything wrong with mtg these days but unironically 2 headed giant's death is 100% on commander overtaking it as the casual multiplayer format

>>715697506 (OP)
Ugin, you are already annoying enough in modern tournaments in eldrazi ramp, I don't need to see your face here too

>>715731720
No? There's plenty strong dragons, avatars and big monster things that are non legendary, and that's not changing anytime because you'd be forced to play at most one in a deck otherwise.

>>715729774
my EDH deck i play with friends has almost every blue, white, and colorless board wipe in it

>>715735584
>>715732323
It's painful how evident the shift from traditional art to digital is. You can see it in modern cards printed with the old border and how wrong they look.

>>715735885
I'm sure everyone loves playing with you

>>715730631
>>715731995
>>715732323
I didn't play back when mtg art looked like this but this expressive hand drawn style is so much better than the digital slop that has been the norm for over a decade.

>>715729774
Easy

>>715735885
>blue boardwipe
you're a cyclonic abuser, aren't you?

>>715736629
hey... the board wipe tribal needs a victory condition

>>715703284
Yes.
Somehow... Gay Bolas returned.
Only Ugin can top him.

>>715735885
>board wipe
Is this you on the right?

Had fun with the event. Was nice to play the FF cards again in a non-constructed format that doesn't involve incessant tryharding

fuckers raped MTG to death
complete trash

>>715728182
you literally see her have hexproof indestructible in the picture Kek

>>715698307
It's funny how much seeth that generates when this exists. Is it jist cause this isn't standard legal?

>>715742003
it can get out of hand quickly

every nu mtg card is
>le legendary nigger, the nigger (there is no backstory or lore behind him)
>looks like some leeg of legend champion splash art
>legendary creature
>4+mana 2+ colors
>1-3 some random keywords
>when this creature enters do something positive that is associated with the color identity
>when this creature sticks around do something that is positive and is associated with the color identity and generate value out of the ass
>when it dies put it back with finality counter rofl
>too expensive and clunky to see standard play actually enjoy your new commanderino card though

>>715742808
Fuck Ashaya, but for very different reasons.

>>715742850
I like to assume they are power creeping high mana cost cards in an attempt to make them worthwhile for play, but I know they aren't. It's just commander slop. Even as a commander player I jist hate it. I'd just play predh if it wasn't so completely barren with legends.

>>715742003
Landfall is a super strong mechanic because you always want to be hitting your land drops anyways. I have an abzan necrobloom deck thats pretty fun.

I fucking love landfall!

>>715743335
come to pendragon, white man

>>715743864
it's been a long time since I played 8 and I didn't even finish it. Is there some lore reason why he's basically a landfall engine or is this just DUDE COMMANDER LMAO design like usual

>>715743335
>they are power creeping high mana cost cards in an attempt to make them worthwhile for play
They dont, because any powerful high mana card that is actually worth its cost would get cheated out on turn 3. See omni. To be able to make >5 mana cards playable they would first have to remove every way to cheat it out, which wont happen.

>>715743864
Why is this red? Did they print the wrong color?

>>715731809
>>715731720
>Flying, Lifelink, Ward 2
>whenever Divinity of Pride enters or attacks, put four +1/+1 counters on it as long as you have 5 or more life more than your starting life total, then draw a card and create a food token for each creature you control with counters on it
>food tokens you control have [lame ass set keyword]

>>715736158
behead those who insult foglio

>>715745650
Red is now secondary in mana generation.

>>715746232
Kek accurate

>7 mana
>seven maneirinos
for that price you could play All Is Dust and just fucking kill everthing already, no need for extra cards

>>715746797
Why not both? Ugin also gets to snipe at least one thing even if you opponent counters it.

>>715744995
Commander design

>>715745650
Red gets free mana. All those 1 drops are taxing otherwise.

>>715729774
For the very, very short stint I played MTG with my friends, I thought simic was the tightest shit
I sucked ass howmever

>reduce the cost of spells by 5
Who thought this card was a good idea? Mtg is gonna have a yugioh style frequent banlists at this rate

>>715750519
What the hell is covered by black mana in the Avatar set?

>>715750519
I mean what does it take to flip him? Thats the backside.

>>715750604
Toph's space rock, i dunno.

>>715750519
it's not "reduce by 5" it's "reduce by WUBRG" and unless you're planning to cast progenitus every other turn that's rarely gonna actually save you 5 whole mana
I don't want to defend UBslop but this is basic shit

>*Be the wokest game around*
>*Have ghostbusters and cowboys and wacky racers expansions like you're Hearthstone*
>*Have as much crossover slop as Fornite*
>*Have horrible balancing*
>*Still mog the competition in terms of quality*
How the fuck do they do it? Seriously.

I'm so happy this card didn't get hit with the banhammer. I love it so much.

f

Does anyone play mtg forge?

>>715750604
We dont know until the reveal next month
>>715750634
We dont know yet, but probably not much
>>715750695
118.7c If a cost is reduced by an amount of colored mana that exceeds its mana component of that color, the cost's mana component of that color is reduced to nothing and the cost's generic mana component is reduced by the difference.

The new space set looks interesting from an art and flavor standpoint, but I don't know how fun it will be to actually play. Seems mostly worthless in Standard and very clunky in draft.

>>715750803
>*Have as much crossover slop as Fornite*
Its nowhere near as much as that.

>>715750906
>spitemare + stigma lasher + haste for 3 mana
can't we go back to the time before retarded powercreep? we've had horrifically broken sets like urzas or mirrodin but nothing that permanently altered what was acceptable

>>715750604
Deaaaaath and water magic

Wake me up when we get to Lorwyn
I enjoyed Tarkir but can't be arsed with all this gay shit in between

>>715750604
Blood bending and some of the mystic stuff like that centipede lady who could switch faces.

>>715751302
>Blood bending
That's blue dingus

>Makes single target removal worthless and incentivizes board wipes
What did they mean by this?

>>715751158
>before retarded powercreep?
Literally never existed. You either have the era where apells were broken or creatures were. There wasnt an in between unless the whole set was shit.

>>715751383
ward is one of the worst things they've done to the game recently and that's covering a LOT of ground

I enjoyed the event. It let me have some nice team ups :)

>>715751439
ward is just fixed hexproof

>>715729774
Kami of the crescent moon.
That smug, fat, blue fuck was my favorite commander.

>>715751158
It's stronger than Stigma Lasher but not considerably so, in my opinion. Wither is excellent and one less mana for an easier effect to get going in an aggro deck.

>>715751550
I feel like hexproof was barely ever in any cards that mattered, though. This comes up more often.

>>715750634
airbend, earthben, waterbend, and firebend in one turn. His other side has firebend 2 , but they haven't shown what that is yet.

>>715698523
how is this a dark ritual. You just extra mana for free.

>>715751930
I recall that the publicly stated problem they had with hexproof wasn't that it was too powerful but that it wasn't interactive

>>715750519
Reminder that /v/ was shitting itself over pic related

>>715750803
>MTG
+actually fun to play
-all-around awful art (some older sets looked nice but they're too small a minority to matter any more)
-managed by twisted lobotomites
>Pokemon TCG
+Best art of the three BY FAR
+if you have old cards they're worth more than gold and weigh 100x as less, can make a few bucks
-no one plays this shit
-only turbo-manchildren care about pokemon
>Yu-Gi-Oh!
+fun production value (drawing cards and shuffling with flair, yelling out your intentions, general anime shit adds to the game)
+best designed physical card shape and feel
-worst TCG to play, make sure you have 3 hours of time per card in order to understand what the fuck it does
-archetypes are the most moronic format for random chance TCG packs
Am I right or am I right?

>>715752757
Arisu really is too young to know card games

Looking at EoE spoilers right now
This card is cool

>>715751689
apparently too fat to even download an image

>>715750604
Angry evil people like fire lord ozai, azula, and evil spirits.

>>715750604
Are they doing Korra? Probably all the industrial shit.

>>715752958
File size is too large.

>>715752968
>are they doing korra
Probably. It has vehicles and shit too.
Maybe they'll have the modern forklifts from the comics too.

>>715752757
>make sure you have 3 hours of time per card in order to understand what the fuck it does
I mean if you're slow then sure it'll take 3 hours

>>715753052
heh

>>715746397
This is probably one of the only secret lairs that I was sad I could not afford

What are decent sets you can currently buy packs for other than Final Fantasy and Bloomburrow?

>>715750519
we still don't know what the fuck even flips this because the mechanics aren't defined and saying "just use a replacement effect" is meaningless because you can just flip Ultimecia over infinitely instead for more value

>>715753314
tarkir has decent stuff, but for the most part there aren't really too many other good sets

>>715753282
I didn't know they did Secret Lairs like that I thought it was all just crossover bullcrap.

>>715745650
it's technically taxed ramp (by forcing you to ensure you always have a land drop for your landfall deck) which is how it should be in red
No fucking clue why they made Zell that card instead of Selphie when she at least has an association with travelling (train autism)

>>715753314
Duskmourn unless you're talking about aesthetics

kek

>>715753991
>mfw the mr krabs smothering tithe is a $450 card

>>715717695
Yeah but 7 mana to exile a permanent (that has to have 1+ color) isn't a good rate

>>715754176
thats 7 mana that you're spending on like turn 4 or 5, colorless includes all of the stupid fucking mana rocks

>HERE ARE SOME EPIC CARDS REVEALED IN EDGE OF ETERNITIES THAT YOU SHOULD PULL FOR SPONSORED BY MTG STOCKS AND WIZARD OF THE COAST!!1
i want behead every slop mtgtuber that isnt ccb or ashlizzie

>>715697506 (OP)
MTG reminds me of a shitty old friend group I used to hang with, one of whom was a literal tranny with a beard. I would prefer not to be reminded of them. Also not vidya.

>>715754165
>look it up
>it's fucking true
>but this thing exists and is double the price

>>715727379
>>715727848

>>715754540
>tfw only cards I care about are uncommons or .50c rares
I will not be gambling for land reprints fuck off wotc

>>715752894
Warp is a cool mechanic, its like evoke but less OP.

>>715722939
There's something incredibly sad and narcissistic about inserting yourself as is into your own artworks.

>>715751039
>118.7c
That rule is wrong

Magic is so fukken lame name
Yall pay thousands to get fukt in the ass because they printed an overpowered rainbow card of some shit ass franchise you know while banning staple cards that have been in for years.

>BUT NOW THERE'S A GAME OF THRONES INCEST CARD! AND I NEED THE NEW FUNKO SET! PLEASE FUCK MY FACE TRANNIES OF THE ACK!

Pathetic

>>715756950
Casually its cheap, just fucking proxy your shit its not like you're in a tournament setting. Competitively it fucking sucks ass why is cardboard that fucking expensive?

>>715756950
Lmao what are they banning in kitchen table? Only comp cucks worry about bans

>>715757087
>>715757310
>Magic fags on 4chan
>implying you have any real friends or family to play with

Yeah bro, I totally believe you
Have fun with your Spongebob cards

>>715750306
Experiment FUN into BTE into Flinthoof Boar was the most fun I had with aggro during RTR days.

>>715757568
Bro literally shitting himself over proxies

>>715719378
>>715702292

What's wrong with the OP TCG? I think it's fun

>>715757828
*official poxies

>>715719629
Cardfight vanguard

>>715697506 (OP)
FIRE was, unsurprisingly, a complete disaster.

>>715758485
are you still living in 2018?

>>715758571
Yeah and the futures looking bright

>>715758485
This game fucking sucked are you kidding me?

>>715758650
Anon you should invest in metazoo

>>715758707
Not him but wasnt it just mtg with anime powerscaling and the ability to tap creatures for abilities the turn they're summoned?

>>715756709
If the client asks for it, I think it's fine. It's way too re-occuring for the humans in EoE to have realistic faces for it to be a coincidence.

>Hey, we want some MTG art, but part of the contract is gonna be some self-insertion of your likeness

I personally wouldn't see it as some ego move if I'm just doing it for the sake of the client and can explain that to people when asked.

I think this is one of my favorite cards.
It's so good at destabilizing your opponents without them even realizing it.
It's not meta at all but this is some high quality jank.

>>715711321
It was expensive even before it released, because it's busted in every format, commander included. It's wild how I went to 2 pre-releases and no one opened Vivi, but I opened Sephiroth at one of them and another dude opened him at the other.

>>715708010
>5 people
how degenerate are you to play with 5+ people, those games take fucking ages
also considering getting ganged up on makes the guy lose, I'm guessing you ain't playing higher than bracket 3 meaning your games are already super long. Absolute insanity.

>>715722047
>broken card
>look inside
>simic
every time

>>715751439
I disagree. I think ward is one of the better choices that they've made in a while.
Having to balance every card around Doom Blade or Go for the Throat did serious damage to this game and has been one of the biggest driving forces behind power creep for decades.

>>715726521
I hate FF as video games, Tifa's the only good thing to come out of them, however this MTG set was incredibly fun to play limited with. The cards are good, the set is big and there are awesome reprints. I actually loved the set, despite thinking i'd hate it and that i'd skip it. My friends barely convinced me to go to a prerelease with them and then I went to another one and now i'm even building a commander deck out of the shit I pulled.

>>715759438
Limited FF is so fucking good. It's a shame the set had to land in the most cancerous sea of constructed formats imaginable.

Also really fucking hate mono-green Tifa abuse in Standard, even though it was obvious it was gonna happen with all the bullshit 1 mana immortality spells in green right now.

>>715758859
The changes it made to MTG's gameplay sounded good on paper but in practice made the game absurdly consistent to the point where it was a detriment since colors didn't matter and every game started playing out the same way every time.
The company making the game had no idea how to balance anything and swung between dead by T2 and the grindiest unbeatable control decks. There was a retarded amount of powercreep, enough that can't be articulated unless you were there.

>>715735885
My favorite EDH deck runs this with Zur the enchanter as the commander. I have other nasty stacks shit in there I can tutor whenever I want. Everyone hates the deck, even the cEDH pods down at the card shop, despite it not being cEDH. It's my lovely personal stacks torture machine i pull out when someone's an asshole.

>>715751930
That's the problem with hexproof though.
The effect is so powerful that you can't put it on too many cards without rendering targeted removal completely worthless.

>>715759318
>extremely casual format
>people get butthurt when they lose
I don't understand that. Why the fuck are you playing edh if you take the game so seriously that you get upset when you lose?

>>715759318
besides the no infinites rule and no recent cards rule, these seem like standard "unwritten rules" of commander. it all seems obnoxious, but is veraciously necessary when playing with randoms.

>>715759757
>>people get butthurt when they lose
The issue isn't losing as much as the method of losing.
There's a hidden rule in card games that if you spend more time shuffling than actually playing the game then it's not even worth playing to begin with.

That manifests itself in a lot of ways like when turns get disproportionate or they go too fast. You don't need an audience to play solitaire.

>>715743864
Yeah its fun

Friendly reminder Arenachads don't get Marvel cuck cringe

This game has been powercrept to hell

just play eternal card game instead
>campaign
>PvE gauntlet mode
>multiplayer casual or ranked
>draft against AI or other players
>monthly draft tournament
>incredibly generous f2p model
>pinnacle of digital-only CCGs

>>715761217
it will be double funny when people will be printing in-universe proxies

wotc are such a niggers not making more universes within shit

>>715760219
>not the leotard

>>715752757
I like that Yugioh's archetypes let them make completely retarded gimmick decks on the regular, and that it feels like you're picking a fighting game character or RTS faction, but yeah it makes the game practically undraftable
Pic related is my current retarded gimmick deck that Konami decided to make busted

>>715750803
>>715752757
MTG mogs because its the only one of the three that has proper rotation and/or multiplayer support.
I can't exaggerate how much that's done towards extending its longevity. That's not even a commentary on the quality on the other two, just that its much more adaptable than them despite being the OG.

>>715764180
>implying anyone plays standard

>>715764475
Enough people play that it heavily drives card pricing.

>>715705501
And these sorts of people bitch about yugioh.

>>715764693
Anons pic is unironically why MTG is so fun. You literally can't do that in yugioh due to the zone restrictions, which makes something like token decks meme decks.

I was looking at building a Commander deck for mono-blue Y'shtola but I couldn't figure out a win condition. I have her esper precon but I thought her mono-blue effect sounded cool.

>>715759757
i'd say there is a fundamental issue in the very idea of a "casual" read: where winning "is not the point", not kitchen table magic format, exacerbated by officially published straight-to-commander cards and the whole corporate takeover
whatever the precise details of the format, or even the number of players, striving towards a singular concrete goal is the end that justifies all means
concede decks and alt wincons are the outlier in such case, people who play that way know full well they are being fundamentally suboptimal
but the nebulous expectation of a "friendly" free-for-all means that trying to win at all is questionable, if not all players are on the same page, even though the basic human nature of wanting to win and not wanting to lose never left

when scrubs bitch and moan about spamming/throws/fifty-fifties in fighting games, the simplest rebuttal is asking who won
but what if there was an established mode that boiled down to whoever could perform the longest combo? suicidal rushdown would be looked down upon because playing to win "is not the point"

>>715759953
the part about game length is true enough, but how many decks' gameplan is solitary anyway? maybe not paradox engine or tasigur, but still full of limited interaction, hoping that others will just leave you alone, concluding the game after untapping with 3 wacky overpriced permanents?

>>715763832
The good part of the deck is the K9 engine

>>715703705
>>715703552
>he thinks women play MTG
ohnonono

Loved playing that deck in MTGA

>>715758971
>I sacrifice Bloodghast and play land for the turn
>your go

>>715754694
Anime girls + powerful card = expensive

>>715765802
>but how many decks' gameplan is solitary anyway?
Just about anything running stax or combo in general.
The problem is that there's plenty of deck archetypes that run non-deterministic win cons that still rely on card draw or deck fixing to reach their goal, and it's painful having 3 people watch one guy dig around his deck for 5 minutes, and you can't even really tell if he's got a victory or if he's just playing with himself. Even if he misses, it's not fun to play with or against.

>>715708253
have you been living under a rock, anon?

>>715765890
It got top 8 at nats without it

>>715697915
>I literally just lost to him in mtg arena, idk how nerds play it irl, would be a chore to keep track of everything
It's harder to get a good deck IRL, you'll probably be playing with mostly commons and uncommons which have less text/complexity to them instead of mostly rares/mythics

>>715766342
Reassembling skeleton is more reliable and even then there's a lot better cards to sac for either card draw or deck fixing.
Hell, Hopeless Nightmare and Hopeful Vigil were literally designed with Doom Foretold in mind.

>>715766410
yeah, i get that stuff like omniscience piles can get into card-based masturbation, no defense for that
i was talking about decks that just want to advance their own gameplan, board be damned, hence "solitary"
blue will run counterspells and white will run protection, but what about black removal or green fight effects? you can commit to the gimmick harder, or you can add boring cards that actually deal with problems while still costing mana
the sheer variance of a 100 card highlander means you can get no relevant interaction anyway, which means politicking is the only avenue left, but that's the basic premise of the format, so you can't really change it