what happened to MMOs?

>>715719625 (OP)
wow defined the genre and caused stagnation.
mobile gaming.
discord.
esports.

>>715719625 (OP)
>LotrO below WoW and ESO

>>715719818
>wow

name a single game wow influenced

>>715719625 (OP)
they suck, they've always sucked and they will always suck

>>715719625 (OP)
>anything above C
this gathering rocks gameplay is fire

>>715720485
ffxiv.

>>715720485
SWG
It killed it via the CU and NGE

>>715719625 (OP)
>no daoc
>no rfo
>pso2 in c tier when its the only "mmo" to actually transition properly into the modern era, i.e constant events and updates and quest changes every fucking week or two - at least before they killed it
mmos are dead forever because the audience is garbage, nobody wants to play with or interact with these people, a 'good' mmo would not be as profitable because it wouldn't attract these retards thus nobody will ever make it and keep siphoning sub fees out of retard rotation faggots and people who like to erp and play dress up instead of go on a 6 hour dungeon crawl that requires they dont suck ass and mash their keyboard

>>715720485
Literally the reason SWG,,ESO,AION, FF14, Wildrift and a bunch of others even exist(ed) is because of WoW.
You could argue that every single Korean slop MMO also only exists to try and cash in on the WoW market.

>>715719625 (OP)
Move Dofus to A
Mabi to S
Pantheon to B
OSRS to B
EVE to S
DFO to A
SWTOR to C
GW2 to C
Albion to A
PSO2 to B

much better list

>>715720360
It has shitty UI, just as pozzed world, lacks challenge, and the playerbase is crusty.

>>715721345
Tbf the playerbase in every single MMO is absolutely turbo dogshit.
I just recently tried WoW again and the amount of people that unironically do like 15% of the damage that they could be doing for their gear is disturbing and this shit happens in every single MMO.

>>715719625 (OP)
>all these replies
I keep telling you, you could make the best MMO in history of mankind and it would still fucking suck. Do you know why? Because the demographics of the internet changed dramatically since the 2009.
MMO is a player-dependent genre. Even basic, mediocre MMO will be a lot of fun with good people. But if your playerbase are retards, normgroids, third worlders and their variations in female form, it will fucking suck no matter what.

>>715721883
you should post the gif of internet access by country when trying to make this point.

>>715721518
I don't care about gay dps checks
I'd rather have challenge be in composition, preparation, and strategy. Crustiness is just old people willing to do new things or talk about anything exciting. I don't care about your family life talk about some cool new ideas you had or something.
Boring ass people chasing meters and numbers instead of adventure.

>>715721345
How is LotRO pozzed?
>no fag or interracial marriage
>no browns at all until corsairs invaded Gondor

>>715719625 (OP)
rotmg in B

hell yeah I should go back to that I got a retarded amount of good shit

>>715722073
It was already ruined by smartphones and those were initially mostly first world countries. We have enough of our own shitbrained retards to ruin the whole thing. Adding thirdies to the mix naturally ruins it even further, but it was already ogre before that.

>>715719625 (OP)
Waiting for my itch for Dofus to come back and enjoy Dofus 3 more (i sure hope it isn't as buggy as when it released)

>>715720360
this, everything else looks right but lotro being that low does not make sense

>>715722219
The Amazon stuff unironically ruined LotR for me.
The Hobbit movies put me close but I can just tell myself they are retellings. Amazon though got to make awful shit canon. I'm done with the idea of Middle Earth entirely.

>>715722173
boring people tend to find boring people

>>715722459
lotro has nothing to do with amazon.

>>715719625 (OP)
Why is Maplestory in A tier?
I thought people hated modern Maple and that's the entire reason they're making a Classic version.

>>715721114
>You could argue that every single Korean slop MMO also only exists to try and cash in on the WoW market.
lol
now that's delusional

>>715722468
/thread
/internet

>>715722468
this is a stupid post.

>>715722539
>both games take place in the same setting featuring the same characters performing actions in the same relative time
>unrelated

>>715721345
Lotro boomers are great, political season is always fun in world chat

>>715722624
t. normalfag

>>715721518
>you MUST follow meta!
No.
I WILL use this weak skill, just because it has nice animation.
I WILL use this weak skill, just because it makes nice sound.
I WILL buy the exp stopper to spend more time in regions Iike and not overlevel them.
I WILL do the chicken quest instead of raids.

>>715722632
amazon's show is like a year old?
lotro is over a decade and not developed or published by amazon?

>>715722720
>Uses weak skill with nice animation
>Uses weak skill with nice sound
>Has exp stop enabled
>Still does only 15% of the damage he could be doing given those restrictions

>>715722459
You deserve it for watching that shit.
>>715722632
There is a 3000 years timegap lorelet.

they became long form diablo arpg loot grinders instead of simulated fantasy worlds.
then they have dumb heroes journey stories except you can't be a hero because you can't be powerful because god forbid some players are more powerful than others so the only reward can be cosmetics or soulless stat sticks instead of something cool like a intelligent magic sword that wants you to kill all elves or a forbidden tome that lets you become a lich.

>>715722835
3000 years is relative when the scale is billions+

>>715719625 (OP)
>theme park singleplayer PVEcuck tierlist
Trash.

>>715720485
It influenced the genre in a really bad way. In the same way CoD influenced the FPS genre.

>>715722468
This sort of post make sense but then you remember it was made on this site and you are looking at it while using it too.

>>715721114
>Wildrift

>>715719625 (OP)
>S
>dofus, Guild wars

You're french AND poor.

>>715721518
Bro doing more than 15% damage is METASLAVE sweaty mindset. MMOs are for chillin

>>715719625 (OP)
>EQ in C tier
Modern EQ? Honestly just play an emulated server. Whats left of EQLive in the past decade or so is nothing but people boxing.

>>715721883
>the demographics of the internet changed dramatically since 2009
Demographics, but specifically the amount of options the average gamer has. Ever since 2014, more and more games that were exclusive to consoles are now on the platform. There's just too many things to take up ones time nowadays.

Name one(1) reason why RS3 is bad.
It isn't.

>>715723037
fed propaganda used to be believable

>>715722832
So what?

>>715722468
>give normalfags access to the web
That was back in 1993.

>>715720485
Literally: Every MMORPG that came after it. They're all theme park MMOs like WoW.

>>715723424
Just making sure you are aware that your low damage is not because of any sort of gameplay choice but simply because you're bad at the game.

>>715719625 (OP)
>TORtanic
>A
Nani? It's a C at most.

Also funny this doesn't have sequels (Guild Wars 2, FF14...).

>>715723725
Get your eyes checked nigga, both FFXIV and GW2 are on there.

>>715723651
>you don't minmax therefore you're bad

>>715719625 (OP)
you can still play most of them on pservers, im enjoying archeage classics right now.
mmos will never die as long as you can just jump on a pserver with none of the p2w bullshit that retail comes with

>>715723105
2 dead games combined into 1!

>>715723913
>Optimal damage is pressing 111 then 2 repeat
>You are incapable of pressing 111 and then 2
>Thinks this is "minmaxing"
>You are a certified retard

>>715719625 (OP)
Big fat cow fat swallower necromancer player are slowly dying of Heart attack.

>>715723913
>griefing in party based games

I play guild wars for she

>>715719625 (OP)
MMOs used to be places for people to hang out. Social media killed that. Without that social aspect, MMOs are just really shitty single player games.

>>715719625 (OP)
they all turn into grindy shitfests with tacked on horrible pvp
just look at new world and dune

>>715721114
you're absolutely delusional if you think WoW influenced Korea
Lineage was released in 1998 and has been NCSoft's template since

>>715724546
>modern mmos
>grindy
Bro...

>>715722468
people who agree with this image are normalfags themselves. if the internet was properly gatekept, none of the fucks in this thread would have access to it

>>715723037
as if anywhere else was any better

Not a single VR MMO. FFS just update those games to include VR.

they felt like real worlds when you were a kid. when you dont suck at video games anymore and the information is highly available about the game its nothing but a chore simulator where you pay to play. retarded.

someone neds to come up with a dynamic system more like eve online where its a 'real world' to some degree. everything ends up being a gimped themepark where you get banned for doing anything mildly disruptive

>>715724930
when VR is more than a gimmicky tech demo for trade shows it will get some games.

>>715721883
Not entirely incorrect. NW was a garbage game, but I heavily enjoyed it because I was playing with my guild and static.

Would never play it again though.

>>715725047
No. You're wrong, and probably poor.
VR is awesome vidya.

>>715724546
> they all turn into grindy shitfests

Was your first MMO WoW or something? Old MMOs were colossally more grindy than ANY mid-large size MMO of the last decade.

>>715725136
do I need a 10x10 empty room to wear a 20 lb headset tethered to a PC to use it still?

>>715719625 (OP)
>what happened to MMOs?
They stop being AGP friendly though...

>>715725429
Large room or true gamer thumbs for the locomotion. Headsets can be superlight, like the BigScreen Beyond 2 weighing a hundred grams or so, and small like swimmer goggles. Wireless is still kinda heavy.
I flex true gamer thumbs, within a yard by yard space in my front and sides. Can recommend Meta Quest 3, but your neck might feel tired after several hours. I grew the muscles already.

old mmo playerbase
>i want to do better
>so i can have access to more things
new mmo playerbase
>i'm the best
>carry me

As soon as the online community becomes moderated by the publisher it goes to shit.
Being forced to play with people who clearly don't want to play is always the downfall of community driven games.

>>715719625 (OP)
They were out grossed by predatory bullshit and publishers stopped throwing money at them because they were to expensive to make and had limited monetization potential compared to getting people addicted to loot boxes and fomo.

>>715724930
>VR MMO
This will never happen. VR is flawed by design - motion sickness. VR also can't have complexity of any modern MMO. It's not just sitting on your ass pressing the buttons on KB or gamepad. You need to move, swing (other wise what the point) and this will create physical skill gap. This is big no-no for any MMO. So at best VR MMO would be dumbed down to mobile assessable trash. Not some SAO dream game.

>>715726198
I don't get motion sickness.
Also skill gaps do not preclude a MMO. Maybe a AAA MMO, but modest MMOs could profit.

>>715724769
incorrect

>>715726825
>profit
>by developing the most expensive style of game
>for the smallest audience in existence
you could reach a larger audience developing a mmo for Tesla than VR.

They stopped being mmo's and turned into singleplayer games with optional multiplayer matchmaking.
They are supposed to be giant community servers, NO FUCKING MATCHMAKING.

>>715719625 (OP)
I actually hate wow and everything it stands for. Loot can't be sold, the loot system in Vanilla-Wrath is dogshit. The loot system in general is actually. Players are extremely selfish and the game reenforces being a selfish kike. Raiding is terrible and large raids fall apart easily due to player egos clashing. It's a shitshow. We need more games like OSRS if you want this genre to survive. Also this >>715721883 people from third world countries and specifically nonwhites are extremely unfun to do anything with and they completely ruin the games they play.

>>715727017
UEVR injector proves you wrong on expensive development. Also Meta Quest are selling fairly well. VR population are a substantial market now, but substantial to me means hundreds online in my favorite game at the same time. Happening.

>>715726825
It's very hard to make. Realistically you would want MMO with similar combat to Dark and Darker + Blade and Sorcery + Dark Messiah + Mordhau/Chivalry and fully physical and with monster climbing mechanics like in Dragons' Dogma. It should have friendly fire and ability to physically block something like in old Warhammer MMO. You fight monsters like in Monster Hunter/ Dragons' Dogma. It should have PVP and ability to paly with entire world and not cucked regional servers. It should able to handle giant amount of players similar to EVE. Such MMO would sell VR for real. But it's all dream. Expensive as fuck dream. At first something similar to Conan Exiles or Rust or Dune should be made.

>ctrl + f cabal online
>ctrl + f conquer online
>0 results
those were my childhood

>>715728093
I recommended just updating current MMOs to include basic VR compatibility. There just is not a single one. Surely soon we get FFXIV or PSO2, or WoW updated.

>>715728514
Deckard is rumored to do this for you.

>>715719625 (OP)
MMO's always sucked. Why would you want to play the most grindy, convoluted RPG with your friends when you could just play some rounds of battlefield or counterstrike? They survived off of generations of autistic LARPers and roleplayers.

>>715728743
Deckard does not exist. Meta Quest wins.