Will it save the genre?

>>715730208 (OP)
>starting from scratch again
nope.

they could literally print money if they just released a lol skinned wow and a valorant skinned destiny as f2p games, but they're refusing to do it for some reason.

>>715730208 (OP)
No. Unironically all they need to do is continue their history of taking popular game -> steal it but make small improvements. Make a tab-target LoL themed theme park MMO with a story going through all the regions and meeting champions all over the place.

Instead they will try to "innovate" and have some shitty action MMO that is insanely grindy and unfun. Best case scenario is that we get a Lost Ark ripoff with less pay to win, but that's about it.

>>715730208 (OP)
No because they obviously don't know what they want to do.

They're on attempt number 3 for an MMO. They're just chucking shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

Also all the devs are WoW babies so even if they claim "we don't want to make a game you've already played before", it's just gonna end up being WoWSlop 2.

>>715730996
Ah yes, another theme park MMO, im sure that wont fail

>>715730208 (OP)
Rito never made a good game.

>>715730208 (OP)
>company know for copying their competitors

Im sure it'll have a bunch if original ideas.

>>715731192
Oh yeah bro they need to release a successful sandbox MMO like uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

>>715731319
The only MMO to actively grow in the last decade is a sandbox.

>>715731435
and that game is?

>>715731319
There were pretty of sandbox survival games that were very successful. Not strictly MMOs but thats the easy part to implement
Look how badly New World failed after they left sandbox to go to theme park

>>715730208 (OP)
I just want to shake my fat ass and tits around in a town central to attract big human cocks to milk dry in my lifetime.
Fucking riot.

>>715730208 (OP)
Yeah, its gonna be as successful as that riot Fighting Game that still hasn't come out and only releasing with 9 characters on launch lmfao

>>715730208 (OP)
It's never even coming out, they restarted development yet again and MMOs take many years to create. Riot is so incompetent even the fighting game they financed still isn't out and that's getting close to a decade in development. Developers have clearly realized Riot is managed by incompetent retards who will perpetually finance them forever and all they have to do is keep delaying and the money train never ends. By the time someone at Riot realizes the MMO is vaporware the project will be cancelled entirely but in the meantime entire dev teams get a salary for doing and producing nothing.

>>715731505
>sandbox MMO
>LOOK AT THESE NOT MMOS
and new world failed for reasons that are apparently unclear to you.

>>715730208 (OP)
Fuck no, Riot is gay & lame, they're not saving anything.

>>715731908
This really makes me glad Xbox pulled the plug on those big AAA teams they hired to make perfect dark and other shit on way too high budget.

>>715732184
but think about all the unemployed video game developers...

>>715732260
I rather think about the devs that do release games instead of spending 10 years and have nothing to show but a no gameplay trailer.

>>715732386
but it was their dream job...
their heckin' families...
the heckin' big evil corpo's...

>>715730208 (OP)
I wish, but I have 0 hopes, my expectations are retail WoW tier garbage but in the LoL universe.

>>715731563
Depraved faggot kys

>>715731908
I swear Project L or whatever the fuck its called now is some money laundering scheme that the FG players who are devs on that game are doing to steal Riot's money.

>>715733204
That does check out. FGC is just scammers scamming scammers. They would sell their grandmother for $5 if they could.

>card game failed
>minecraft clone failed
>MMO is currently failing
>fighting game is unknown
>moba worked
>shooter worked
kinda doubt it

>>715733427
Hey they are the only one that made autochess a permanent success.

>>715733427
riot is lucky they have league lol

>>715730208 (OP)
Why is wow still the king?

>>715730208 (OP)
>mmo in 2004 + 11
Dead on arrival

>turbo lagg
>shitty visuals
>boring gameplay
>monthly subscription
i do not understand how the mmo genre was so big

>>715733612
+21*

>>715733596
it was so successful that everybody tried to copy it, so when people tried playing other games they realized it was just a worse version of wow so it drove them back to wow.
also the game feels good to play, even if the gameplay loops are bad. controlling your character is something a lot of games fail to perform well.

>>715733427
fighting game is looking to be dead on arrival is the last beta is anything to go by

>>715733618
we didn't have things like discord and twitter, and we didn't have enough disposable income to purchase 24 different games a year so having one game that covered every genre while being social media was very convenient.

>>715733618
i had sex with a mother while i was a teen due to wow which makes the genre worth it

>>715733618
because adventuring in a huge seamless virtual world with other people is inherently appealing regardless of all the corners that need to be cut to make something like that

>>715733596
because every other game either tries some experimental shit that never works out and runs into issues wow solved 20 years ago, or is just a worse copypasted version of wow

>>715730208 (OP)
people who still play mmos in 2025 already have their mmo they play

>>715730208 (OP)
the problem is that there is no new mmo formula that wasnt tried before and you always end up with a wow clone

>>715731483
"The Game"

>>715733427
team fight tactics lost the main dev and is now in EOS with repeated seasons like D3
the ARPG project got canceled

>>715730208 (OP)
MMOs take too much effort to get into and require you to timesink thousands of hours to do end game content. Nobody has time for that, even bugmen that grind League or Valo have limits how much they can grind so every game has to be 100% finishable in like 30-45 minutes if they are forced by the supreme leaders to grind in the factory or study for exams in cubicles. There's a reason why every MMO released is succesful for like 1-2 months then dies as people dip realizing it aint worth the time investment, the only shit that retards will keep coming back to is WoW because it's sort of the default MMO at this point, and there'll be niche side games like FF or ESO or Runescape with decent fanbases but they'll primarily be populated by middle aged people and will inevitably die off

>>715731483
Albion Online

I haven't played MMOs since I was a teen, in 2009 or something.

Yet Riot.. Arcane was so addicting and interesting, I bet I'll be sucked in.

>>715730208 (OP)
My biggest hope for it (which will never happen) is that it doesn't follow the current timeline. I don't want to be running around seeing Jinx or Vi or Darius or Draven or whatever basedpog "ITS THAT HECKIN CHARACTER FROM LEAGUE!!!!". Have it take place years before the current League timeline or some shit.

>>715735651
>albion
>sandbox
>growing

>>715736052
it will be based on the hit Netflix animated series, Arcane.

>>715735567
It's almost like MMOs shouldn't just be about the endgame.

>>715736052
There's 0 (zero) percent (%) chance that the game doesn't feature champions as raidbosses, like a Fiddlesticks or Mordekaiser raid.

The real thing they need to avoid is having the players play value brand champions. I don't want 300 Yasuo-lites running around the world.

>>715730208 (OP)
90% chance it's gonna be one of those nepo baby idea guy games that are shitty pvp slop

>>715736375
of course there will be an agility based sword class and whatever race yasuo is.

>>715730208 (OP)
The riot mmo will 100% be very similar to one of the many korean gacha mmos, but obviously with less insane gacha since they want the game to survive with a large playerbase for more than a few months. Guess we'll see, it won't be any vanilla WoW shit for all the delusional boomers who thinks that

>>715736527
It'll be something more like Wuju Swordsman with Ionian Ninja subclass or something like that.

>>715736220
Only women and fags care about side content like pets or housing or erp, most of the playerbase (80+%) is always teenage chuddies and chuddies in 20s-30s that want to grind to end game as soon as possible and ignore all content that isnt "meta". The mythical female audience will never exist, no amount of femcel baiting with games like Dragon Age: Veilguard has succeeded and sold well, and Riot itself admited that Arcane psyop trying to get femcels into League completely failed and the S2 bump disappeared after a month post release of the show. Women prefer mobile games or nintendo switch games, and if they are in the 5% of femcels that play on PC, it's on a laptop playing sims 4 or bg 3.

Every MMO is inevitably DOA it's a flawed genre that is incompatible with modern culture and lifestyle

>>715736581
I genuinely think that making an endgame focused raid/grind MMO is the worst thing they could do, and making a more Runescape/MapleStory permanently leveling and exploring regions style MMO with inspiration from Classic WoW for dungeoning is pretty much the perfect formula.
Hard focus on making the leveling experience engaging and something you can do with your friends, and it would be novel enough to be people's new social/coop time sink.

>>715736851
Retard

>>715731483
OSRS

>lets make mmo and copy WoW dude!
>uhh theres that chink gacha mmorpg sirs it makes a lot and very popular with youngsters sirs wow is old stuff!
>wow really? lets cancel everything and make clone of that then!
>years later
>uhh sirs we have development issues with our genshit clone sirs and there are 100 other coming with release windows sooner than our clone sir!
Riot is so lucky and most jewish studio on the planet. They never pushed a singular original design idea into any of their projects and thats honestly notable achievement. A fact it took them a decade to shit out a fighter and they pivoted entirely for a tag game because market was dry at the time and now by the time it will release its going to be oversaturated is hilarious as fuck. Valorant would fail too if they wouldnt pour insane amount of money into streamers and how game became retirement house for dogshit NA CS scene lmao. Reminder they work or perhaps worked on Destiny clone too and poached some Bungie niggers for that too.

>>715730996
>tab-target
I threw up in my mouth a bit.
I don't understand why you faggots can stand that shit. Its genuinely awful. The only reason it ever became acceptable was technical limitations and bandwidth on old MMOs. Nothing developed past 2012 should genuinely use tab target gameplay.

>>715737273
don't worry, when all the wow streamers go crawling back to wow on the next patch your game will fall back into irrelevancy again.

>>715737046
This

>>715733427
don't forget how riot forge was killed

>>715736851
You're retarded, so I'm just going to say this.
No MMO should start at endgame.

>>715737353
>target == combat

>>715735842
stfu saar lol.
talk like a human, oh wait you can't.

>>715737475
Tab target combat describes every major MMO. The quintessential tab target game is WoW.
Where you hit tab, it targets a mob and because the combat is shit you just hit your gay ass rotation and floaty animations play. There is no positioning because the skills lock you into fixed animations, and the global cooldown of skills makes it so rotations are boringly fixed. Every MMO of the era played the exact same way.

>>715733829
Then we get older, have money, but little to no time to play all these games

>>715737353
Then why are the two most successful MMOs on the market still tab target while every other action MMO that's come since then has failed?
Tab Target is massively accessible, works well with Holy Trinity meta, and for most people is fun, though YMMV based on the game and encounter design.

>>715730208 (OP)
MMO-fans want two things:
1. An endless grind that reward spending your time
2. A good community

The first is difficult, since only neets have time to religiously play a game. The second is difficult, because Discord has taken over the in-game chats.

>>715737046
Their audience will fucking hate the vanilla WoW leveling and dungeon experience. We're talking about a more competitive audience here, the leveling journey is obviously important but if it's too tedious their own audience will hate it and quit. It's gonna be something like Lost Ark or whatever

>>715737391
OSRS has been relevant for the past several years, the wow streamers are just free advertisement

>>715737443
Riot forge wasn't Riot games though. But I guess it proves that people won't buy small budget niche rpgs and platformers just because of the IP.

>>715737789
you're very dull.

>>715737862
Because the two most "successful" (actively losing playerbase every month) MMOs are WoW and FFXIV.
WoW survives entirely from nostalgia bait. The same people who played every day after school with their friends are stuck playing it today because they desperately are trying to recapture that feeling and refuse to acknowledge its not coming back. Those are ONLY "people" who enjoy tab target combat.
FFXIV is an ERP game, first and foremost. No one is actively playing it as a game. They "play" it only insofar as they need currency and materials for outfits to ERP in.

>>715737353
Tab target + faceroll rotations just puts me to sleep, may as well be playing a turn based game except sometimes you have to not stand in fire or stand in fire(they call it soaking or some shit in WoW)
When i was 14 it was fun but yeah...make the combat more like dark souls or dark and darker where I actually have to fight shit instead of fighting everything with the exact same boring rotation

The MMORPG formula doesn’t work anymore. It’s only fun when people socialize ingame, explore together, help each other out.
Today, people will simply use google, addons, or discord for min-maxing and to reduce player interaction as much as possible

>>715731563
looking forward to ERPing with then ghosting this faggot ten years from now when the mmo finally releases (it will be a wow reskin)

>>715730208 (OP)
Imagine a new MMO but the same toxicity as LoL, now imagine it with such a censorship craze as LoL

>>715730208 (OP)
No, because there is no "tried and true" formula for MMOs, the genre is fundamentally flawed and requires fundamental innovation back from the basics. Innovation which Riot has not shown itself to be capable of. I'd be more confident of someone like Kojima solving the genre that riot.

>>715738259
no retard everybody just told you to thotbott something when you asked a question in 2004.

>>715730340
At this point Riot's just a racket to soak up money from Tencent. League and Valorant are both smouldering shitshows and every other League-branded thing has been produced by third parties with zero relation to Riot itself.

>>715733618
Because Facebook and social media didn't exist at that time

>>715737930
The problem with classic WoW levelingis that outside of dungeons it's mostly solo questing.

Riots while gimmick is taking popular thing and doing one small twist. Classic WoW, but leveling experience is co-op focused instead of solo grind. Have worthwhile party events that reward with things like cosmetics so people can pretty up their characters before endgame. Get all of the Discord Kittens to party up with their NEET-lords and make 1 bigillion dollars.

>>715737867
>An endless grind
No.
>A good community
An MMO an encourage a good community by actually being designed like an MMO. Every "MMO" nowadays is designed to be as solo friendly as possible, has cross-server matchmaking and server wide auction houses. There is no need to be a decent to your fellow player when everyone is expendable and the game is designed to cater to losers.

>>715737142
>>715737472
not an argument, i accept your concession

>>715738169
Yeah let me look at all the better more deserving MMOs then that don't do tab target.

Looking.

...

Still looking.

. ..

Huh it's fucking nothing

>>715738507
>EQ
dead trash
>WOW
king of the MMO genre since 2004

difference? WOW is EQ with solo play being viable.

>>715730208 (OP)
i can understand the development issues. i imagine they started out with a standard wow type design then realized that was probably not good enough to be a certain hit over wow and FF14, and from there everything else is bad so they probably got lost with what to do. there is no good "action MMORPG" they are all worthless.
unironically i think a big budget and familiar IP going OSRS style would do well. it's in that weird niche where it feels the most like an MMO, yet you can solo basically everything and ignore all socializing.
if you want a modern MMORPG in >current year+10, you probably can't force the EQ/FFXI/classic wow philosophy of a world that DEMANDS grouping, but you also don't want a shallow chore fest for the latest cosmetic, like modern "solo MMOlites".
OSRS is like the only one that hits the weird niche of being a huge immersive, long term satisfying grind sandbox, whilst being very casual friendly you can hop on and work to achieve anything you want, at any time. the complete opposite of like, mythic raiding for example.

>>715730340
Valorant skinned destiny lmfao

>>715730340
Riot WoW and Riot Destiny are a trillion dollars for free lmao. It's insane how much potential has been wasted

>>715730208 (OP)
If Genshin fucking Impact can get millions of players then literally anything can. Idk why they're overthinking the gameplay so much

But they did that with their fighting game too. One of the most basic genres and they stuck it in development hell for a decade.

>>715738257
The problem with stuff like you're describing is that every raid boss ends up becoming super generic tank and spank fights where everyone just dps's the boss down with no meaningful mechanics. Because your Dark and Darker style game doesn't have strong dedicated healers or tanks, because the encounters don't work unless the boss can target everyone and everyone has to be responsible for dodging actively. I've played games like Lost Ark and bosses start feeling like the exact same shit real quick.

Tab target allows puzzle mechanics and dedicated roles so you can have different fights feel significantly different. More specialization = more diversity.

>>715738805
WoW was the Fortnite of it's time, nothing impressive about that. Current WoW is the endpoint for every MMO that caters to solofags. A shitty lobby game with seasonal gear, a worthless open-world, a dog shit community, storyfaggotry and an overreliance on 3rd party addons.

>>715730996
>tab target themepark
I want to choke you through the fucking screen fuck you

>>715730208 (OP)
>will game with no real development be done yet save the genre?
NO

>>715730208 (OP)
I thought it was already canceled

>>715738257
>make the combat more like dark souls
Someone did, it's called New World and the game was ass. You actionfags are so loud, yet so ignorant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qk3hQH9FA0

>>715738257
>dark souls
falling asleep in my chair just thinking about it

>>715730996
wowfags are literally mentally ill

>>715730208 (OP)
>Will it save the genre?

no, its dead

>>715739473
Which failed actionslop MMO hurt you? New World? Blade and Soul? Bless???

>>715739857
Considering this is /v/, he probably played Tera. The game that became a standard tab-target game in high level raids.

There will never be another MMO that won't immediately be cucked by publishers forcing mtx and veiled p2w.
The whole genre is cooked, it belongs to whales and paypigs now. On top of that, from a game design perspective, 99% of the games content will be completely braindead, to appeal to normies that just want to turn their brain off and follow a quest marker, or button mash their keyboard to clear a linear dungeon with 0 friction.

This genre had so much potential but its just fucked.

>>715733427
>card game failed
dont worry, theyre trying a second card game!

>>715730208 (OP)

>>715733514
>riot is lucky they have league lol
they sure dont act like it, they blow through all the money league made and ignore its most pressing issues while adding more chinkwank+gachashit to fund their idiotic vanity projects

>>715738421
LoL just released a $500 skin that sold over 25k times in the first hour in China alone. They are swimming in money even with shit like Arcane and esports being a giant money sink

>>715736068
Steam Chart graph is going up. Looks good to me. I have seen worse.

>>715730208 (OP)
How long have they been developing this? Did they hire fagtree to write the code? Is that why it's taking so long?

>>715730208 (OP)
since they already scraped one version if it does come out I have a feeling it'll be one of those pseudo mmos where zones will be teleported to from a hub area and theres like 10 people per zone. dungeons will be 3-5 people. all social interactions will be in a hub city etc etc

>>715740558
>>715733514
League (and VAL) are still very profitable
but they are losing players and cant get new ones
They are trying to us AI bots to fix this. It wont work. Itll be a slow death.
I expect them to get more desperate and release the MMO even though it will fail

>>715740708
IIRC most MMOs have 8+ year dev cycles, and League MMO was first announced before the concept was even thought of. Then cancelled/restarted twice since then.

It's not an issue if taking too long, it's an issue that most other MMOs wouldn't have announced themselves that far in advance.

>>715730208 (OP)
nah

>>715741012
MOBA is just a dead genre. Even if someone wanted to get into it despite all the "League will ruin your life" memes, it's incredibly hard. There's a massive barrier of entry for new players. Zoomers and Gen Alpha didn't grow up with RTS for example so they literally don't know what to do with their mouse and keys. If it's not brainless clicking on heads like Fortnite, they can't play it.

>>715741215
oldest zoomers are in very late 20s, majority of league fanbase is in 20-29, the actual population that cant into MOBAs is early zoomers that are still 'teens and gen alpha, who are mostly playing either mobile games or roblox/minecraft/fortnite/flavor of the month shit that has a lot of casual game modes and creativity tools

>>715730996
>these retards shitting on "theme park" mmos and tab-targeting
"Theme park" mmos are good, vibrant, varied, creative and distinct environments are good, no matter if they "fit" geologically or not, it doesn't matter at all, it's a video game so have fun with it, a basic unreal engine forest island-continent with some rocky and sandy bits will never be memorable
Tab-target MMO combat is good because that's how you can enable interesting range combat and not shitty, dysfunctional 3rd person shooter trash ranged combat

Anyone that says these 2 things are bad is a retarded subhuman who doesn't know a fucking thing about what makes these things good and is just parroting dumb shit that other 70 IQ retards have been parroting for well over a decade.

I'm tired of you retarded niggers mindlessly spouting your stupid shit, crawl back to whatever dead action combat piece of shit MMORPG that hit EOS a decade ago and stay there with the rest of your retarded ilk.

>>715741215
There's a part of me that still hopes RTS will make a comeback as a genre with an eventual Starcraft 3. But I have to face the music and remember that RTS is a dead genre. MOBAs are in the same boat. They had their time at the top of the food chain for a while, and new gamers aren't interested anymore.
I think balanced competitive games just aren't feasible anymore, because zoomers feel bad losing, even if they're maintaining a good win rate like 55% w/l. That's why genres like extraction shooters started taking over battle royales, because zoomers could quietly escape every match instead of having to actually come into conflict with other squads.

>>715733427
card game didnt fail. just didnt turn a profit.

>>715730208 (OP)
I can't even imagine how beyond pozzed the story would be *shudders*. I doubt it would be any good in the gameplay department either. Honestly the only way I can see a modern mmo success story becoming reality is some sort of solo or very small team passion/autism project out of an indie, so it would have to have 2d or heavily stailized graphics and what not. Every big studio just makes shitty ds clone with some rpg mechanics and think they would hit it big but there's so much more you need to perfect as well.

>>715741919
It literally cannot be pozzed in game because 90% of Riot's revenue comes from South Korea (chud central) and China whose government won't let their precious kiddies brains be corrupted by groomers online writing LGBT shit in game. Every time they do any LGBT shit it gets removed from game, best they can do is add some flavor text or pride month rainbow icons in pozzed countries because that's easy to remove from chinese BVLL server, while whole pozzed quests would be too much trouble for the indian dev team. Realistically as long as China is the strongest Riot will obey, and China will never stop being the strongest.

>>715738348
no, thottbot was a literal niche. only the minmaxers back then used it (I did because I had to impress the chicks I was leveling with all the time)

>>715741919
>>715742478
Arcane confirmed existence of degenerate shit like yordle hooked. And like 80% of LoL lore is about horrific war crimes done by various champions. I think the story is pretty safe from being pozzed other than having some canonically homo characters here or there.

>>715741012
>They are losing players and can't get new ones
Only in the West, which is their smallest market anyways, in Asia the game is still growing and the biggest thing in the entire gaming market in both China and Korea. Riot could shut down NA and EU servers altogether and they would still be one of the most profitable companies in the world off the Asian market alone.

>>715741215
Again that's only true in EU and especially in NA, League is actually still growing in Asia, thinking that it's performing poorly overall in any way is laughably deluded. It's still the most profitable game in the world.

>>715742478
This is just massive cope, they shove more woke garbage into the game than they ever have before, at an increasingly accelerated rate. The fact that they censor it to a point in China doesn't change that it's what they are producing, for all the "Tencent owns Riot they won't go woke" bullshit people spout they forget that Riot is still staffed by a bunch of Californian women and faggots, and they are the ones making content for the game.

>>715742837
>>715742915
I wish we had net-cafe culture in the west. I mean I'm probably too old for that sort of thing now, but I wish I grew up in a place with net-cafe culture. Half of the Chinese pro-stories you hear are just nerdy kids that spent all their time in the cafe grinding day in and day out.

>>715730996
all they need to do is let me larp as veigar an my boyfriend as teemo

>>715743094
League has like no story, there's no woke shit beyond rainbow icons in june, that don't even show any explicit lgbt groomer slop, I don't read any character or skin descriptions since league lore is dead anyway and hasn't been developed beyond mass reboots every 2 years, but I imagine those aren't that explicit about any groomy shit either. Like 9/10 mihoyo devs are gay or lesbian and jerk off to yuri, yet no mihoyo game is allowed to show explicit lesbian relationships. The hung chinese bulls have too much money for some timmid timmy groomers to provoke them and lose their corpo money. Marc would force the riot headquarters to go on a mass suicide spree if they ever lose him money by provoking his CN masters.

>>715730208 (OP)
Only if yordles are a playable race

>>715743497
>If I blindfold myself and put my hands over my ears it's not real!
Ok man.

>>715743734
Riot english team posting lgbt groomer coal on twitter or on their website has nothing to do with the game. I'm 99% certain that if a riot MMO comes out there wouldn't be any lgbt slop beyond basic baiting hinting that two girls are way too close to be just friends but never showing it explicitly. But if even that's too much for you then you are shit out of luck since every single game dev team is full of faggots and trannies as well as frustrated middle aged women who live vicariously through fags and goon to them

>>715743909
If you think the lore of the game isn't going to be woke as fuck you are delusional. And in an MMO that's going to be front and central, it won't be so easy to ignore as it is in the MOBA, though even there they've gone as far as they can in pushing their garbage. Also I think it's hilarious that you say "they'll never show it explicitly" when Arcane flat out had a lesbian sex scene in it. Somehow the Chinese overlords didn't put a stop to that one, Oh and:

>Every single dev team is Riot
No, they aren't. Especially dev teams located outside of the United States. Accepting this woke trash as inevitable and unavoidable is pathetic, there's no reason to engage with games or studios that output it, period. And if their proposed MMO ever actually comes out (it won't) it will 100% be chock full of it.

>>715743909
Neeko is pansexual or just lesbian, can't remember
The black bear guy with broccoli hair is openly gay
Cait and Vi have been gay for a long time and have lines in game acknowledging it

You're ignoring the truth in front of your face.

>>715733427
>minecraft clone
the what

>>715744352
I mostly play RPGs but in the last decade I have yet to play a RPG that didn't have trannies, faggots, nigs, lesbos everywhere and I played games from companies from US/CA like Bethesda, BioWare, Obsidian and also non US/CA dev teams like hecking based russians Owlcat, hecking based poles CDPR, hecking based trad czech Warhorse, belgian Larian, french Spiders, hecking samurai japanese Capcom. Every single company will be gay, because every single dev team is gay. Get over it. If you are straight you will not be hired.

>>715742837
>in Asia the game is still growing and the biggest thing in the entire gaming market in both China and Korea
this is not true.
EU has the most players (surprisingly) and generates the most money as of now.
But the game is NOT growing in KR and CN anymore.

>>715730208 (OP)
new mmos can never be good because you can always buy cosmetics with real money when mmos should have cosmetic progression
cant have transmog either

>>715744371
which in game voice line is explicitly LGBT? I'm aware that riot has turned half the roster into faggots, Graves is a faggot, TF is a faggot, Diana and Leona are fags, Taliyah is probably a tranny. Yet if a kid plays the game and never visits the lol social media he'll never even know. Ignorance is bliss.

>>715741590
Theme park isn't referring to the world or environmental design. You stupid fucking cat poster.

>>715744558
riot games owns the corpse named hytale

>>715744615
Play JRPGs dude. You only have yourself to blame if you're consuming that garbage when there are other options available that don't have such filth in them.

>>715745136
I can't relate to japanese teenagers, so most JRPGs completely turn me off. I do play souls-likes but they are very light on narrative and I don't even track it. But from shitposts at least it seems like even ER has a tranny in the new dlc. Japan is bending over to get US money, most japanese artists have to apologize to twitter trannies because the characters they make have skin too pale or are too straight, and they all are spineless and bend over to the mob. The reality is that gaming is gay, only solution is only playing chinese or other auth countries games but 99% of their games are shit.

>>715745405
But there are JRPGs where the protagonists are not Japanese teenagers. Have you played either of the Octopath Traveler games, for example?

>>715745081
I never realized riot was involved in it, but man, that's not a thing to put on your resume

>>715745136
JRPGs are utter shit for an entirely different reason.

>>715745590
Everyone who says this never actually played or interacted with JRPGs in any form.

>>715730208 (OP)
You can instantly tell from that art in the background that the game will be gay and cringe

>>715737951
>relevant
>100k bots online
>50k players with multiple accounts
yeah buddy
your game is only relevant because some classic wow streamers are playing your game
Tibia is also an mmo that kept growing

>>715745557
Nah, I haven't really played and finished any Square Enix games, most of the Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest protags struck me as kids/teens and that the games had too much past baggage old games you'd have to play to to catch up. Haven't played Octopath Traveler, looks ok, but I'm not sure I like the art style direction that much. That's the big issue with JRPGs, I don't look at them and think damn I wanna play this shit, it's mostly indifference.

>>715745724
No, I played them. Tales of, those shitty Trails in the Sky games, FF pre-11, Xenogear, Breath of Fire, Chrono Trigger, Arc the Lad, Ocotopath. My brother is huge JRPG fag and is constantly trying to get me into them. The games are an utter bore. The lamest dude is always the main character, little to no interactivity in the world, bland ass systems, dog shit tier writing (though I am willingly to believe that this is mostly a translation problem), linear levels to the point where dungeons are just hallways. And the worst of all, almost zero RPing, since you're just playing someone's else story instead of forging your own.

>>715746124
So the gameplay is better, the content is better, the writing is significantly better, and you ignore all of this and eat up faggot ridden filth because of "aesthetics", which you can't even really define? Yeah okay, enjoy man, and stop crying about it when you clearly will eat and consume anything put in front of you no matter how poisonous and never look for anything better.

>>715744743
Neeko has lines suggesting she wants to fug the bird people and Nidalee
Cait and Vi have interactive lines talking about "eating Cait's cupcake"

Its hilarious how much in denial you are.

>>715746323
How are you "forging your own story" in Western RPGs though? It's all just an illusion at best, it's a super rare game like New Vegas that actually has varied routes and ways to play, most are just surface level shit that doesn't actually change the core of the story or narrative whatsoever. I also don't get your thing of "the lamest dude is always the main character" when in games like Octopath Traveler that is quite clearly not the case. The systems and especially the combat gameplay is also always way better in JRPGs, can you even name a SINGLE western RPG with good combat?

>>715740414
>electronic card game died
>let's make a physical one that requires more logistics and for our primarily electronic audience.
What the fuck are they thinking? I can only assume they plan to clone MTG and shit out even more stuff like secret lairs to bait people and milk more money.

>>715746408
>gameplay better
>jrpg
lol
>content better
what does that even mean, i dont speak eceleb slop.
>writing is significantly better
literally no jrpg has good writing, they're all full of anime stereotypes and no anime has ever had good writing. japs are incapable of forming full sentences that sound like they're told by humans or by weaving a narrative and closing it. It's all just the same shit, some preset manlet japanese teenager protag is surrounded by attractive women but is dense or never says anything to any of them, or the romance is like a fade to black kiss at the end of game while the rest of it is awkward one liner flirting that is written like shit. the rest of the plot is just killing god or demons whose motives are retarded as fuck. It says something when literal gachashit from china has better writing than every highly rated jrpg

I'm actually curious if League of Legends (the actual game) has maintained its popularity over the years or if its dwindled down. I wonder if it's a WoW thing where the people who have played it forever will continue to play it forever.

>>715746481
>suggesting
>cupcake
That's as far as it's gonna get. The chinese GODS that fund and own Riot wouldn't be happy if they crossed the line. No explicit groomer shit is allowed in this family friendly CCP approved game.

>>715746785
Yeah the gameplay is better dude, the combat in just about any JRPG is miles ahead of the trash in western CRPGs. As far as content goes, since you're apparently brain dead, that would be stuff like side activities, side quests, and interactions with your party, all of which are done way better in JRPGs than CRPGs since they're actually interwoven into the story and not the random half assed garbage they are in CRPGs. Can you name a single good side quest in a CRPG in the last ten years?

As for the writing I think the JRPGs are much better than CRPGs, they actually explore themes and characterization far better, Partitios story in Octopath Traveler 2 alone is better than anything I've seen in CRPGs over the last 10-15 years.

The only people who defend western CRPGs writing at this point are guys who think CRPGs mean stuff that was made well over a decade ago, or even two decades, when they actually had some semblance of decent writing like PS:T or VtMB, but western CRPGs haven't had anything on that level in a long, long time.

Are you really going to try and tell me garbage like the Larian or Owlcat games are well written? And if not them, what western CRPGs can you even name that are written well that aren't near drinking age?

>>715730208 (OP)
No, their developers were gloating on Twitter how they planned to crush chuds' gems. It's going to be heavily woke and censorious.

>>715730208 (OP)
They're so fucking pozzed they couldn't include even a SINGLE cute Yordle in Arcane. It's better if they don't make it this decade

>>715746552
By designing my character, from appearance, to playstyle, to companions, to dialogue options. Some games even allow you to choose your own background that also affects the starting experience. It's also obvious you used you are to the limited options that JRPGs give to players, since you considering a game like New Vegas to be super rare. Many RPGs, especially party-based ones, allow you to customise the playstyle of your PC and give multiple ways of completing objectives or progressing the story. And of course you can't change the core most stories, trying to account for every little choice a player makes is an exercise is futility.
>I also don't get your thing of "the lamest dude is always the main character" when in games like Octopath Traveler that is quite clearly not the case
Octopath is the exception, not the rule. The MC of JRPGs are almost always the most generic, tolerable, inoffensive character in the party, sometimes the game. Then they also give them the bland, uninspired designs just to drive home the lameness of the characcter.
>The systems and especially the combat gameplay is also always way better in JRPGs, can you even name a SINGLE western RPG with good combat?
D:OS2 completely and utterly mogs every single JRPG with existence. JRPGs are so generic, that someone made an app that allows anyone to make their own JRPG with ease. I am of course referring to RPGmaker, which is also used for shitty porn games.

>>715730208 (OP)
their shitty fighting game is doa, no way they can do something as big as an mmo correctly

>>715747441
>yeah the gameplay is better dude
the formula hasn't evolved since first pokemon game, it's always the same grindy easy shit, there's no way you unironically think jrpgs have better gameplay than stuff like Owlcat, and no JRPGs are even competing in ARPG space really beyond Souls-Likes which don't classify as JRPGs really beyond being made in Japan.

As for writing most of it is pure shit, but mostly because it's invaded by mentally ill progressive liberals who can't help themselves shit everytihng up with current day politicucks and their id politics. But at least if you remove the pozz or ignore it, it lets you make your own character and actually role-play and make decisions and play a story that's somewhat well written in terms of believable dialogue and characters. Cyberpunk 2077 is a 2020 game and it's well written, it's problems are mostly bug and gameplay related.

>>715746860
its mostly just asian gambling addicts
theres hardly any new blood in the moba genre because its so unforgiving and time consuming

>>715747819
>they couldn't include even a SINGLE cute Yordle in Arcane
That's so dire. What miserable people.

>>715747846
>All those grammatical errors
Holy fuck, I need to proof-read my shit before hitting post.

>>715730208 (OP)
if your game has been in development for more than five years and you don't even have an alpha to show for it then you're fucked
five years is more than enough time to iterate on slices of systems or demonstrable progress to internal stakeholders
I'd love to have five years to fuck around making six figures and then have nothing to show for it lol

>>715747846
Those are the surface level options I was talking about, though, so you are proving my point. I specifically used New Vegas because it is indeed a rarity, in that you can actually play through the game in ENTIRELY different ways, and it's not just illusory stuff that doesn't change the actually static nature of the core route. You are still going to do the exact same shit in 80-90% of most Western CRPGs as you did in the previous run, a few minor alterations or a little change of dialogue does not the game actually fresh or different.

>MC of JRPGs are always generic
That depends entirely on which games you play, it's true in some, not in others. You making a blanket claim that it's every single one is facetious and false.

>DOS2
Yes, this was good. The one great thing about Larian games (except for BG3 which got destroyed by the 5E combat system) is they have solid combat. I disagree with you that it's way better than every other JRPG though, most JRPGs have superior combat to DOS2 since you actually have to understand the strategy and tactics to successfully clear things, and character building is genuinely important as a result.

Aside from DOS2, what other CRPG has good combat, by the way? Because I consider that failing to be one of the worst things about western CRPGs, which is a critical failing since the core of the gameplay in a CRPG is the combat part, and western CRPGs have gotten so terrible at building decent combat systems that they've practically become point and click adventure games with how trivial and garbage the combat has become.

>>715731298
>companies keep trying to reinvent the wheel
>it sucks and fails every single time
What's wrong with doing what works? No one is looking for novel MMO mechanics, they want the magic of MMOs they experienced twenty years ago before their lives started sucking back. They jump from MMO to MMO trying to get it back, but all those MMOs suck and are destined for maintenance mode/shutdown from day one.

If Riot literally just makes WoW 2 and makes it great and sticks with it for the long haul, people will be happy.

>>715730208 (OP)
I guarantee that if it ever gets done, it'll just be another bland WoW clone except the questgivers are LoL characters. It really bothers me how no one looks at OSRS's success and never studies why it's still so popular

>>715748370
They won't and more importantly can't

>>715748370
Depends on the budget and how much money and players Riot expects, I'm not sure if even Valorant is as big of a success as they had hoped for, I feel like the game's prime is already gone and it's gone from the eyes of normalfags at least in the west, and it doesn't really feel like a giant compared to League, Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, GTA Online, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty etc. If they make an MMO that's just WoW but with Riot's characters it'll most likely fail, it needs to have something special about it, that's the reason they already rebooted it and are stuck in limbo despite hiring many veteran mmo devs

>>715747974
>Better stuff than Owlcat
Holy FUCK are you serious you dumb fucking nigger. I should just post the copypasta and laugh at you, but I'll bother actually replying. No, it isn't. The combat is the WORST part about Owlcat games BY FAR, it's all utter trash that has no tactics, no strategy, no THOUGHT involved at all. You either built your character right or you didn't, if you built them right you stat check through the encounter (after the added tedium casting buffs if it's Pathfinder) and that's it, that's the games combat. Rogue Traders only improvement on this was cutting out the buffs, but if you have any a modicum of intelligence the combat is nothing but Alpha Strike into everything dies by early to mid Act 2 at the latest. It really kills replayability in their games too, since the combat is a mindless chore since you're not really interacting with it in any real way. Owlcat seriously need to take lessons from how Larian builds their combats and encounters or their combat design will remain the absolute WORST thing about their games by far.

>>715748724
It's the only CRPG that actually lets you experiment with builds and feel like the game is different on new playthroughs since there's enough depth. But sure, let's say owlcat has too many fodder enemies and bloat, and/or it's not balanced enough for you, by that logical Pillars of Eternity or Divinity: Original Sin games are perfect and absolutely btfo any jrpg.

That all said, I already stopped caring about your opinion as you are a manchild low iq ooga booga monkey that somehow unironically enjoys JRPGs. Weaboos are subhuman, imagine genuinely self-inserting as a Persona protagonist as a grown ass man. jfl

>>715730208 (OP)
anon...you have to move on

>>715749189
You are truly a dumbass for trying to defend Owlcats combat design, or lack thereof.

The main problem with RT is that the combat is fucking boring, even for a TB enjoyer like myself, because it doesn't feel like you're making decisions. What the combat feels most like, is a card game, where you can build your deck the way you want and always draw the same opening hand, with that opening hand always being a one-turn-victory. So every single fight is exactly the same, it doesn't even feel like playing a game.

They try to get around this by making fights with phases, or triggered immunities that force fights to take more than 1 round, but that's just lame.

There are too many ways to do a million damage in one turn in this stupid combat system. To make it even worse, building characters and leveling is fucking boring as well. We have all these hundreds of talents are not only extremely specific, but also completely fucking pointless; I don't even really level 4 of my companions after act 3, because they never get to do anything anyway. I just pick whatever talent happens to be at the top of the list and go with that, it literally doesn't matter.

The Pathfinder games are the same way; the combat is fucking boring, because you just do the same exact overpowered shit in every single fight. Just buff your OTK-guy and then OTK the entire screen. You got all these stats and talents and classes, and it doesn't matter; it's all a mirage, just completely pointless and a waste of your time to read or think about. The combat may as well only be there in these titles so that they don't get classified as point-and-click games.

>>715730208 (OP)
They cant even release a fighting game.

>>715748345
How is changing the way you interact with a game surface level? The way you build your character influences the way in which approach problems/quests, which in turn in influences your reward or character interactions. All of which are far more than JRPGs offer the player.
All games have a structure. New Vegas is extremely linear until you hit Vegas, where the game actually opens up. You could of course just head north, but then you'd just be perma-sneaking to avoid Deathclaws and Cazador just to end up where the game is leading you anyway.
And what are these "entirely different" ways you can play New Vegas? Most of it's systems are directly copied from Fallout 3.
>You making a blanket claim that it's every single one is facetious and false.
Obviously I am talking in general, and referring to the average JRPG protag.
> most JRPGs have superior combat to DOS2 since you actually have to understand the strategy and tactics to successfully clear things, and character building is genuinely important as a result
Which, please tell me. Because I am struggling to think how a genre where you get teleported to another dimension for the majority of combat encounters, can rarely move your character and can't interact with the world has anything better than D:OS2. Hell, Thieves in JRPGs can rarely steal actual items, and just have a chance to grab random shit from the enemy's loot table.
>what other CRPG has good combat
BG1/2, NWN1/2, Fallout 1, Arcanum, DAO
>western CRPGs have gotten so terrible at building decent combat systems that they've practically become point and click adventure games with how trivial and garbage the combat has become
How can you say this with a straight face when most JRPGs still just fucking Wizardry knockoffs?

>>715749189
You cannot seriously be trying to defend Owlcat combat dude, it's the worst part about their games, even beyond JRPGs every other western CRPG is also superior to Owlcats. Just look at how badly their games difficulty scales to see a nice clear view on how badly they design encounters and combat, Anvers gangs on Footfall in Act 2 are more threatening than Necrons are in Act 5, because your party gets exponentially more and more powerful and the enemies simply do not keep up in any way shape or form. That is BAD DESIGN, why you would defend it like some cultist rather than rightly criticize it so Owlcat improves it in the future is beyond me. For fucks sake Owlcat themselves admitted the combat in RT is fucked beyond belief and they're going to try and do a big balance patch to make it harder, though I doubt it'll work since the problems with the combat and encounter design are too deep rooted to truly just patch over. Regardless, even the devs of the game are admitting it's fucked you should realize it's a problem.

You are like some Larian cultist trying to tell me that Larians writing is superior and great. You can like a game and still admit it has flaws and point out where it needs improvements. It's a product, not an object of worship. Faggot.

The work that went into Hytale is probably now getting repainted for the LoL MMO

>>715749860
Because in New Vegas you can actually complete the main quest in fundamentally different ways and approach things from a fundamentally different point of view than the last run because your character is a true blank slate, and the quest progression and faction system lets you really explore how you want to express your character on a given run. In most western CRPGs you cannot do this, you can do surface level changes that slightly alter a dialogue here or there but fundamentally you're playing through the game the exact same way. People don't give the faction system in New Vegas enough credit on how replayable it made the game.

>Average JRPG protag
Define that, though. Rean from Coldsteel? He's about the only one I can think of off the top of my head that fits what I assume to be your criteria. Most of the other games you listed even have different type protagonist from him so you would have to give actual examples to prove your point here.

>Get teleported to another dimension
Moving to a turn based combat field is not teleporting to another dimension, this seems like a completely ridiculous complaint to me.

>CRPGs with good combat
>BG1
What? No, it's terrible, you just walk around with bows in the early part of the game sniping everything down since anything that gets close can one shot you, or throwing fireballs onto enemies from off screen. It was not good in any way shape or form.

>BG2
Yes, this had great encounter design and therefore the combat was fantastic since you actually needed to strategize and play well, it was quite satisfying, even if you could trivialize everything with Keldorn.

>NWN1/2
You cannot be serious. Like, what? Didn't have good encounter design in any way, no full party control, 3Es innumerable balance problems replete in everything, how the FUCK did you list this?

>Fallout 1
I mean it was alright. Not great but not bad, no real stand out encounters.

>>715749860
>Arcanum
No. Just no. None of the encounters were well designed, none of the combat was memorable, it was either a slog or super trivial depending on how fast you got your character rolling.

>DAO
Yeah this was good, solid encounter design, some really fun fights, the only real problem with it is that Mages were just too powerful and if you knew how to use them the game became a joke. Still good stuff though.

>How can you say this with a straight face
Because it's the truth. I had way more fun building my characters and doing combat in just about every JRPG I've played than I've had in any Western CRPG in the last ten-fifteen years, bar Larian games.

Also, I've got to go after this post, but I would like to finalize all of this by saying you 100% completely proved my initial point by every single western CRPG you listed as being good, even combat wise, was at LEAST a decade old, and generally quite a bit older than that. You can't give modern examples of good western CRPGs because there are none, and you know it. Every western CRPG fan is just a grognard holding on to the memories of older, better games that no longer exist. All that's left now is shoddy copies of those games, and half the time they're filled with woke faggotry on top of it, and yet you guys still defend western CRPGs as somehow being worth the time. Baffling.

>>715733427
>card game failed
its so sad seeing how much budget they lost for it and they're literally just trying anything to stay alive now

>>715730208 (OP)
you'd think that with the gorilion dollar success of genshin impact they would move on from the MMO idea and design a game just like it but set on runaterra where you can run around with your champions and do story missions on each area.

>>715750834
I agree that the artstyle is already there in the card cinematics, they should just take vanilla WoW and remove as many pain points as possible like Blizzard did from EQ nobody is expecting an original idea nor asking for one from Riot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QorYJEuBeJQ

>>715750371
>People don't give the faction system in New Vegas enough credit on how replayable it made the game.
How is that not surface level? Almost none of the choices you make in the main story impact the game in anyway until you compete it. And most of the factions are so isolated, that there is no interaction between them. So who cares if you blew up the Brotherhood's bunker, they didn't exist outside of that bunker besides Veronica. Who cares if the Great Khans join the Legion, neither exist outside of their respective settlements. What does it matter, if you decide to ignore or destroy a faction if you go with Yes Man, nothing happens until the game is over. How can you consider New Vegas's faction system good, but dismiss the entire character creation process of CRPGs as being "surface level", which the latter can completely change the way you play the game.
>Most of the other games you listed even have different type protagonist from him so you would have to give actual examples to prove your point here.
Rean, Tidus, Marth, Kharg, just the blandest of the bland.
>It was not good in any way shape or form.
If you're defining a game's entire combat system because you can cheese it, then every game would have bad combat.
>how the FUCK did you list this?
I played on a multiplayer server with my friends and greatly enjoyed it. The base campaign is shit though.
So, are you going to list those JRPGs with better combat than D:OS2?

its going to be genshin clone

>>715733427
Nah 2XKO is looking extremely grim at this point, every single bit of hype died and most of the FGC is making fun of it.

>>715750668
>No. Just no.
Yes. Just yes. Any game with a viable charisma build throughtout the entire game is good.
>and yet you guys still defend western CRPGs as somehow being worth the time. Baffling.
CRPGs really aren't that plentiful anymore, what do you want from me? I did not like PoE or the Pathfinder games.

>>715751693
>Any game with a viable charisma build throughout the entire game is good.
Arcanum's COMBAT is lousy, you goose.

>>715751990
DON'T CARE!
I am a CharismaCHAD!

>>715730340
>Valorant Skinned Destiny
IIRC they were trying to develop a game like that
>>715730996
Imma be honest, doesn't matter if the MMO is tab target or Tera 2.0, the only thing they need for it to succeed is an extremely good customization menu that covers all fucking species and factions of the league universe
Then turn fashion into the true endgame (A.K.A. best set pieces either behind a store or end game activities)