This fucker is filtering me. Am I retarded? Do I just suck at video games?
>>715777802 (OP)Why is You're spelt wrong?
>>715777802 (OP)It's not actually timed. Jackenstein only spawns when you're at a specific point, so it's scripted. You can go as slowly as you want until he appears.
>>715777802 (OP)I think you need to rethink your life anon
>>715778065Yeah, this. It's a trick to make you fuck up from going too fast, he's outright lying to you, going as slow as you can is actually the ideal. I also had no chance until I googled and found this out.
>>715777802 (OP)skill issue get good
how did you even defeat roaring knight?
>>715777802 (OP)i beat him first try but was really close to dying. i ended up not worrying about trying to get all the gold things and just rushed for key and exit. thought idk if the pumpkin thing can even show up before you get the key so maybe it's safe to just get all of the gold first.
definitely felt like a difficulty spike though
>>715778194>how did you even defeat roaring knight?Who says he did?
>>715778581why even bother playing then?
I can understand missing eggs, but shards are explained to the player since the chapter one.
https://youtu.be/ffmccP-l66U
>>715778581isn't the roaring knight fight scripted for you to lose?
>>715778998>>715779086Well, no, but actually yes.
>>715778841>missed the chapter 3 eggAm I gonna have to redo everything someday? I beat the Knight without the mantle and everything else.
>>715778998You can reset and try it again.
>>715777802 (OP)Its all avout timing
>>715777802 (OP)>Filtered by a fucking meme boss
The Knight is Alphys by the way, think about it
>sets Susie and Kris up
>ensures Kris goes with Susie
>likely setup the closet fountain too
>pretends to be awkward to trick the player
>Kris seems overly hostile against her compared to other NPCs
>likely to trick the player again
>the Knight acting smug is exactly how an anime character would act
>Susie never wants to go near her
>she basically tells you what to do to get the code
>she has a "back alley" cat which fits the FRIEND theme
Considering she was a big cunt in Undertale that was basically doing extremely unethical experiments on monsters, she must be doing something similar in Detlarune.
>>715778998It's a supposed-to-lose fight that has a reward for successfully beating it.
>>715779384Considering the reward is a shadow crystal, it's a fake out supposed-to-lose fight.
Yeah, you technically can lose it and the game continues but it's only a fake out.
>>715779312Nah, Knight is clearly not fond of Susie, she's trying to drag Noelle back into the action in Chapter 2 and Chapter 4. Alphys plays the opposite role in this story, as an unwitting pawn of Gaster - one of his followers probably recommended her to pair off her two problem students, to ensure that Susie would replace Noelle in the prophecy.
>>715779465>deltarune with noelle instead of susiewhat an incredibly boring and dogshit adventure that would be
>>715779440I have this feeling that there will be a sort of rematch at a later part of the story and that we will be able to acquire that shadow crystal at that point.
>>715777802 (OP)just stop TAKING TOO LONG
Anyone got any variants of this meme? I'm pretty sure I saw a Kris one a while ago.
It also makes me think our Vessel is trapped in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
>>715779440I also got black shard that thing shreds ch 4 boss
>>715779545The girl's a fucking psychopath, it would be a slaughterfest. You've seen a glimpse of it in chapter 2 Weird route. There's a reason why Ralsei is so afraid in chapter 1 of Susie being too violent.
>>715779186Chapter 3 egg is fucking horseshit, I've had to replay the chapter once on my first run through because TV you need to use to get it gets shut off after you get the mantle and a second time on my Snowgrave file because you get locked out of the egg if you kill all the tall niggas, it's fucking horseshit
>>715777802 (OP)OP here, I successfully defeated the Pumpkin Man :) I still do suck at video games though
I can't wait for the inevitable full release of the game and the amount of people complaining that they can't win the mandatory endgame Knight battle. There's a startling amount of players who are getting their ass beat by earlygame/semi-midgame bosses.
>>715779954Consider the amount of players who heavily struggled with even Undertale's Mettaton EX and Asgore. The salt would be outrageous.
>>715779954Most Undertale fans aren't good at video games.
>>715779954There's a real chance that winning the first fight will make it easier, which sucks. I guess you can always just unequip the shard but c'mon.
>>715779898You can't get the chapter 2 egg on a snowgrave run so it doesn't matter anyway
>>715779954Don't worry Toby will do what he did with the Titan and make subsequent attempts easier
>>715780245What happens on subsequent attempts with the Titan?
>>715777802 (OP)Itโs a pretty hard fight relative to the rest, but i usually only lose a couple times.
Itโs the best fight in the franchise so itโs worth it
>>715779312It would actually make sense funnily enough because the FRIENDS are likely to be the amalgamates. The shelter probably leads to that underground lab from undertale
>>715780539I'm expecting a total mindfuck with the bunker, Toby is going to pull something insane
>The moment you enter, Once Upon A Time plays
>>715779954RPGs aren't designed for curtain shooter tohou fans anon. The entire point of the genre is for it not to rely on reaction times.
>>715780605Also whoever "nightmare" was representing is likely to be damaging the player directly somehow. In the third S door game it was damaging Kris directly during the fight, which no other enemy did. And if you died, Kris wiped and respawned at the door, again, this is different from how these games behaved about any other enemy.
It also appears that the FRIENDS are minions it can spawn.
>>715780640>what is earthboundโs rolling hp meter>what is chrono triggerโs real time turn recovery system
Do you think there's going to be a Deltarune equivalent of the song "Undertale" called "Deltarune" and if so where would it play and how
>>715780282TP gain increases and chests with healing items spawn
>>715781005chapter 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qycteU3x730
>>715780640Yeah, only backwards and shitty RPGs involve you "reacting" to stuff
>>715777802 (OP)The fight is literally just a vehicle for ytp gags.
>>715779954I'm one of those dumfucks that likes watching peoples' reactions to fights. 90% of the time, unless it's a secret/super boss, people don't use healing items or Ralsei's heal. It's crazy how the game drowns you in items yet no one uses them and will instead die over and over to a fight.
It's wild to me. I get the whole joke of people wanting to save their items (which is valid for ReviveMints at least for the Knight), but still. The game gives you dozens of healing items, shops to buy them, even secret super healing items like the Spincake.
>>715781005The Legend is the Undertale equivalent, akshually
>>715777967Made by a third worlder.
>>715781372Some people just figure they can press their luck
>>715777802 (OP)The only people who get filtered by Deltarune gameplay are people who only play gacha or The Sims. The game has mechanics for babies. How are you ever going to beat Cuphead or Dark Souls if you can't beat a fucking game that's a glorified walking sim with story?
>>715781090These healing chests are not so bad, since they're purely optional, but Toby should include a big boy option to turn off the adaptive difficulty for people who don't want to be handheld.
The shadow mantle fight become too easy after you die a few times because the FRIENDs begin dropping candy like it's Christmas.
The Gerson battle is the easiest crystal boss because of the damage decrease, but I guess that's a fight that's intended to be won.
There's also one counterexample I can think of where Spampton starts using the harder version of the crawling phone attack if you get hit by the easier one.
>>715781171I really hope the final game has an animated intro like he's talked about. Would be so cool...
>>715781372People also rarely (if ever) properly manage their equipment. If you're not running the Tension Bow and Twin Ribbons 24/7 then you're putting yourself at a major disadvantage at all times for no reason.
>>715779759UNUSED is trapped and betrayed in the hyperbolic time chamber?
>>715779874Why make 14 sec long mp4 when you can just make it into a gif?
>>715781827Toby did nerf them so I can understand not wearing them in favor of other gear
>>715777802 (OP)Better get used to it, the final boss uses the same gimmick
>>715779312Knight is obviously Carol
>>715782305How do NPCs like you even get to live normal lives?
In the weird route Carol calls Kris normally, she normally tells Kris they're going to the festival with Noelle.
In the "normal" route the voice is the creepy one, telling Kris to remember he made a promise.
Carol is not related to either the knight nor the person talking on the phone.
>>715780181Fuck I really wish I remembered that before beating TRK again, also I didn't know you can actually die on her final attack lol
>>715781783>>715781090Reminds me of the water room in RE4, if you die less enemies spawn.
I think itโs the best way to handle difficulty, if youโre skilled and beat it first try then great, but if youโre bad and fuckup it doesnโt ruin it for the skilled players
>>715782514>herThe Knight is Rudy.
If we already fought The Knight and even a Titan, who the FUCK do we fight in the next chapters? Weโre only halfway through.
1000% weโre going to fight Susie as she wields Hammer of Justice, but who else
>Kris responds in monotone when you say 'Gaming is my life'
Little nigga really is a pro gamer.
>>715782517Kinda weird he did the same thing with Enraged NEO as well
>>715780742>You accept the possibility of pain and seizure.>Final boss shocks the player with electricity on hit and shows a seizure inducing animation on death
>>715779954You have given me another reason to keep on [waiting]
Thank you cat friend.
>>715782810>if you pick No on that option, it doesn't happen. Eldritch dark, darker yet darker entities cannot inflict pain and seizure on you without your consent
>>715782517I don't know, to some it might feel like they didn't truly beat that section fair and square. I'd get that impression at least in that situation.
>>715782235The nerf is somewhat counterbalanced if you have Lodestones equipped, but good lord that nerf was so unnecessary. If the extra graze size was genuinely making TP too strong to gather, then have the actual graze area have diminishing returns for multiple equipment, not making TP gain practically non-existent.
If this is some kind of experiment, Gaster is our "Gman" right?
>>715783050>Gmanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0hO1WIqYhY
Noelle got wet from being abused and no one can tell me otherwise
>>715781372I've watched at least one person be such a monumental hoarder that they started Chapter 3 with a full storage and unable to buy TV Dinners from the first Pippin. Said player got a Lancer Cookie from Lancer in the bake sale, never used it, then subsequently every chapter talks to Lancer in the bakery only to be met with "You already tookie a cookie" and the likelihood of them even using the item lessens each chapter as older healing items become less useful. Genuinely, what causes people to be so braindead? Am I just too autistic about RPGs and storage organising?
We (the SOUL) are Chara
Frisk is (essentially) Kris
I thought this was obvious to everyone but I guess not.
The ending of Genocide has Chara deal 999999 dmg and jumpscare you before the game quits.
Deltarune is the continuation of this, in a parallel world. As Toby put it, โa new world separate from Undertaleโ
>>715783262The unique dialogue on each character, and depending on the save slot, meant I used every item on every character just to see their reactions.
>>715783050Maybe Gaster is testing if we can break the prophecy. If we can, we can also save the goat from where he belongs.
>>715783262Hoarding mentality requires me to have one every item I can possibly get my hands on so I can relate
>>715780245It's genuinely insane just how fucking terrible the titan fight was all around
>>715777802 (OP)>losing to a dungeon crawler joke boss it's okay anon I died the first time I fought him too
>>715779954>>715780245We'll be lucky if there's any difficulty to adaptively lower. It might just be like Asriel where it's barely a step above being a glorified cutscene
>>715783262The game gives you literally no reason to even remember about your storage until you hit a boss that actually demands your attention, which is once per chapter and not even the case in chapter 4 with how fucking easy Gerson is
>>715783262>Said player got a Lancer Cookie from Lancer in the bake sale, never used it, then subsequently every chapter talks to Lancer in the bakery only to be met with "You already tookie a cookie" and the likelihood of them even using the item lessens each chapter as older healing items become less usefulYou didn't have to call me out like that.....
>>715783786Gerson straight up bans you from using items anyway
Hoe? I beat him first try without focusing in the game.
>>715782305It's actually more likely to be rudy if anything. Unless, of course, toby's gonna pull some gay-ass twist and it turns out to be something completely retarded like So Sorry is the knight or whatever, lmao.
>>715782517If it was a TV with a glass screen, i ain't putting my tongue anywhere near it. The CRT I had as a kid always gave static shocks when you touched the screen.
>>715783262I try to keep one of every item in storage so I can see the item use dialogue if a new character joins the party.
Re. renewable items: My hoarding is well founded since the game takes away your ability to get new Spin Cakes in Chapter 4.
>>715784275Why she got dsl?
>>715782517I think it's bad because I might not be good enough to beat it on the first try, but I don't want to be handed my victory trophy like a little baby.
The titan fight isn't too bad though, because the TP boost is incremental, so you have to suck really bad to get the full crutch,
but the shadow mantle fight candyboost is too fast: I almost beat it one try and the next I beat it with a pretty big margin because I'm so overhealed.
The chests are good because they're optional.
>>715782784This is a design mismatch, because Angry Spamton could be a fun challenge, but if you play too badly you get a no-consequence cheat for players too casual to beat Spamton without the big shot exploit.
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People naming the most random characters ever to be the knight cause they refuse to believe that the mystery around it's identity is THIS bland and predictable is honestly funny as fuck
>>715781973Come to think of it, our Vessel probably is too.
>>715784517It's not Dess dumbass
Anybody have any art of Noelle/Susie/Dess being murdered during a genocide run?
>you can get both the egg and mantle in chapter 3 but it's extremely and stupidly convoluted
>>715784517Just feels like too obvious of a red herring.
Is "the Knight isn't exactly Dess but some sort of remnant of hers" a plausible statement
>>715784517We know from S door game 2 that Dess is indeed a lightner who comes into the dark world
https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1l64pkr/thoughts_on_this/
That monster you kill by taking control of it and having it walk up to you is Dess
So you will kill Dess, at least in the weird route, most likely through manipulation
So if Dess is the knight, that means weird route player will manipulate the knight into getting killed by Kris, somehow.
>>715784663Carol is the red herring, it's just not written well
>>715784517In 10 years when people play Deltarune for first time when its finished. 99% of Lets Players and Alpha gamers will think Knight was Carol and Dess is going to blow their mind. You are just lucky enough to have a giant break to discuss every element of the game and learn it's secret plot devices in advance. Its like a difference between newfag who just finished watching Inception and faggot who already discussed the movie for over a year and understand everything fully
>>715784685Had the knight not completely dropped it's animalistic demeanor in favour for being a cringe chuuni anime villain who does Jojo poses i might've agreed but it's pretty obvious that the knight is a relatively normal person
>>715784735This.
Besides, the slow release schedule doesn't help matters. Imagine if the true pacifist run came out a year after the rest of Undertale. Everybody would have figured out Asriel is Flowey.
>>715783050>experiment>gmanGman is more of an employer/overseer, not a scientist.
>>715784803I say this, because if one states that Dess is the knight, then...what about the UNUSED voice?
>>715781469Homonym-based typos are dependent on an english speaker that learnt to speak first, and write second, they're the hallmark of native english speakers.
ESLs get hung up on syntax, false friends and mispronunciation and grammar based typos, but rarely homonyms, because they're more likely to read it online first than hear it in their immediate environment.
>>715777925wow im retarded
>>715784735>this cope againAnyone with an IQ above room temperature can easily put 2 and 2 together with how a shit ton of completely random and totally unimportant Dess info gets vomited on your face in the chapter where the knight just so happens to appear
The knight who just so happens to have fucking antlers, like don't pretend you need to be some theoryfag to see through this """mystery""" when you can easily figure it out in 10 minutes
>>715784712I agree there too. which is why I think it's rudy. both dess AND carol are red herrings IMO.
>>715784517Look at that fat fucking bitch.
>>715785009Makes little sense but would make all the knight porn so fucking funny in retrospect
The knight is going to be Kris soul + Dess body.
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Toby cannot write actual villains and the knight already got irreparably ruined in chapter 4
Pic very related
>>715785010Who the fuck is that red hag
>>715785218Le sigh. I am leaking this, but whatever
>The knight is Rudolf
>>715785295>Who the fuck is that red hagyou shouldn't talk about yourself like that.
>>715785276Why the FUCK did he have the ShadowMantle at the beginning?
>>715785295>The knight is RudolfDamn, Alm's dad got it going on.
>having full armors and being unable to get ShadowMantle
Genuinely how the fuck do you fill up ARMOR storage
>>715785101Do you mean "it makes a little sense" (as in it makes sense) or "it makes little sense" (as in it makes almost no sense)?
If you mean the latter, let me point out:
-Rudy is supposedly diagnosed with some kind of strange "illness", but he will not say what exactly it is. I think it may have something to do with him being the knight. Perhaps becoming that powerful in the dark world does something to you in the light world?
-There is 2 swords in the holiday residence. One is in the kitchen over the stove, which noelle says is her mother's. the other is a black sword in the master bedroom. of course, carol could always have 2 swords, but something is telling me this isn't the case.
-If you survive TRK fight long enough, kris will give a signal to the knight to end the fight. the signal is a cough. one character known for their prominent coughing is Rudy. This seems to me like kris saying "I know who you are, and I'm with you, let's end the fight and move on, we're getting nowhere here.
>the knight is Rudy
Toby mocks you specifically because you apply Occam's razor, arrive at the obvious and correct conclusion (Dess) then spend years gaslighting yourselves into thinking it isn't the obvious conclusion, only to be revealed that it is.
>>715785496this man gave me some nice armor for just a cheap kromer
how could I pass the offer
I don't see it mentioned here, so I'll just ask;
What about Papyrus Knight?
>>715785520can't believe the player is Rudy
Kris coughing to give you the right quiz answers was there all along how could I not see it?
your post really is a lot of nothing trying to justify a shitty theory that could only become real is the game was written by a drooling retard
>>715785520>the other is a black sword in the master bedroom. of course, carol could always have 2 swords, but something is telling me this isn't the case.She has at least one more at her office, since she gives the briefcase guy's briefcase the slice
>>715785575>apply occams razorAh yes, the knight is dess, the one who is missing/likely dead. occams razor would tell us the dead ghost would rise and start raising hell for no real good reason, right, anon? Yeah, ok.
>>715785575I don't think toby would throw away his most valuble plot device to "mock" us.
>>715785575don't bother anon
these people care not about the quality of the writing or the obvious clues left behind by the author
they only want to discuss retarded theories because the reality in front of them doesn't match with their stupid headcanons
we still have people claim dess is human despite the line about all of her shoes being modified to fit hooves, to which they'll cope saying they're all for Noelle or some other shit
>>715785794>Ah yes, the knight is dess, the one who is missing/likely deadNo gravestone.
>occams razor would tell us the dead ghost would rise and start raising hell for no real good reasonStarting from an incorrect premise, the bat, lost girl in Black Knife, lost girl in raise up your bat, the shelter code in the guitar, 1225 is the same parental control code Toriel used to block off MTV, a channel which Dess watched with Kris.
The knight has antlers, etc.
Rudolf is the knight, here's why:
>Toby Cox is a big fan of japanese media and mystery genres, and he is a fan of touhou
>Going by what the stereotype says, he has most likely played Higurashi and Umineko, which is inspired by mystery novels.
>The first rule of Knox is: The culprit is always someone mentioned (AND SEEN) early in the story
>Mayor is mentioned very briefly, so they cannot be the culprit
>Dess is mentioned very briefly, they cannot be the culprit.
>Rudolf is seen and heard. The red herring is him being "sick", he is, but it's because of opening dark worlds.
>Deltarune's last prophecy is... something i won't mention. But I know it.
>>715785705jesus christ, simmer down faggot. sorry we're not all simpleminded like you and we don't instantly point to the very first connection we can make and go "YUP THATS THE PERP!" without any further thinking.
>>715785809>I don't think toby would throw away his most valuble plot device to "mock" us.I'm just saying that's the entire point of the Mike section. You need to take SOME things the game says at face value. It's not layers and layers of obfuscation and misdirection, it's still a story. I can give you the benefit of the doubt if you say that Carol may be the Knight because I can see your point, but then you start getting into more and more esoteric shit.
>>715785938>without any further thinkingwhat you're doing isn't thinking
>>715784891The knight is not going to be "just Dess", it's going to be a masked man-like situation.
I think the Gerson statue failed resurrection is a parallel to the Dessurrection only being possible in very specific circumstances, which the conspiracy gang are trying to create.
>>715779312The Knight is a character no one has guessed yet.
>>715785887there are a total of 3 whole other characters with antlers anon. 2 of which have the longer, more pronounced ones that the knight has; carol and rudy. carol seems WAY too obvious of a red herring, so occam's razor would say that she IS a red herring. also, the "bat" is a sword.
>>715785937>having to jump to 2hu to make a japanese media connection when it's obviously just Claus from mother 3Claus = Santa Claus = Christmas = December. It's not a stretch.
>>715785520>This seems to me like kris saying "I know who you are, and I'm with you,Can't be that, since the Knight and Kris go into the fight as allies holding back against each other (Kris doing less damage than Ralsei, Knight not SWOONing Kris). It's just a generic "let's wrap this shit up" signal
deltarune players should have never learned the term "red herring"
>>715785979>never got to come back and finish those pancakes because Sans was too busy loudly fucking Toriel for her to want to stay overWhy does that skeleton fucker ruin everything?
I'm sure some of you have it, is there a version of this that's just Carol saying to Kris "As you know YOUR LONG"?
>>715786141It's not. Claus is not mentioned in the story at all.
You are dumb.
>>715786113It's Rudolf you stupid bastard!
>>715786123>also, the "bat" is a swordThe baseball bat TRANSFORMS into the black knife when Knight turns on the battle sprite anon. It's really fucking obvious. It's a blunt instrument with a flared base and symmetrical sides when the Knight summons it, only for the flared base to turn into a sharp point and the blade to appear on one side.
>>715781783>because the FRIENDs begin dropping candy like it's Christmas.Thats not adaptive difficulty, its just that the FRIENDs candies are pretty much completely RNG
You might either get a ton or barely any
Or maybe its based on your health/state or something i dont know
>>715785575We still have little enough informations that there is no real Occam's razor, whatever theory we make needs to make assumptions, and that's especially true for Dess theories (like her being linked to shadow worlds, or having Kris' soul). The simplest explanation is probably Carol, and that too requires assumptions.
>>715786252>Claus is not mentioned in the story at all.???? Of course he isn't it's a reference.
>>715785668It's one of the most random theories, the main hint being that we don't see Papyrus at hometown.
>>715779954>the full release of the game will inevitably have one final gigafight with deltarunes' version of megalovania playing
>>715786038So I provide reasoning as to why I think the knight may be rudy, and your flagrantly homosexual response is to go "NUH UH" as loud as you can? EPIC! good talk! Why dontcha (last online: 12 years ago)?
>>715784996I literally didn't know what Dess mean in these threads when i finished chapter 4. I thought people randomly talk about December month for no reason. She onle ever is mentioned by Rudy and Tenna and Rudy is optional dialog.
>>715785997The point of the Mike section is to make fun of the community thinking Mike was some super important shit and coming up with conspiracy theories around it when it wasn't THAT important, but it itself provides valuable information and most likely foreshadows the way the antagonist team is strucutred. Cowboy Mike, for one, is Dess.
>>715785010>I'm not a troon, Kris is not the sel insert, the SOUL is YOU>The SOUL in questionCan't honestly tell differnece between troons and coomers
>>715786462NTA but your links are extremely tenuous.
>the signal is coughing because the bad guy is ill
>>715785668Undyne's appearance in the dark world is just like her Undertale form, so we can probably assume that will be the same for every Undertale character
maybe not Sans, he has his UT outfit even in the Light World
>>715784517>>715784663How about Toby just wanting to write a fucking story? Not everything has to be an epic FNAF twist you stupid niggers
>>715786493She is mentioned fucking constantly in ch4 what are you talking about. You walk inside her bedroom. She was already mentioned in ch2 with Noelle talking about her.
>"going back to the way things were"
>"Don't touch Dess' guitar, you fucking Lizzer"
>Asgore talking about making things right
>Gerson "brought back to life" via Dark World
The Knight is Dess's ashes brought back to life in the Dark World, who was then given Kris' Soul so she could persist outside of the Dark World which is why she resembles a member of the Holiday family, but has Kris's mannerisms during the fight.
SCREENCAP THIS AND WITNESS ME
>>715786618Maybe he shouldn't have a mystery as a major plot point in his story if he can't write them for shit
>>715786669having a mystery doesn't mean the solution has to be some epically subversive twist nobody would have seen coming
most Sherlock Holmes stories present all the evidence towards the crime and you can figure out what's going on before Holmes explains it.
>>715786669>he can't write them for shitNot his fault you don't accept the two possible candidates (Dess and Carol) as legitimate and start coming up with schizo theories.
>>715785575Honestly making Noelle the knight would have been Kino
>she's a main character and friend of Kris and Susie>she turn out to be a schizo and trying to ressurect Dess through some magic ritual shit>Kris is helping her while SOUL is unawareThis would BOTH be a surprise and would make people care about her unlike Dess who is just a "lore" character with no face
>>715786546>self insert fags physically unable to comprehend sexualising fictional characters separate from themselfIt feels like you faggots are the ones trying to push tranny propaganda
>>715786767is that a simpsons reference?
>>715786046Yeah that's my general idea too. if I had to guess, the knight is some weird mix of a partially revived dess and a lightner wielding the object that's closely connected to them (the bat). I think it would explain a lot of the weird clashes in general demeanour, in chapter 3 they seem... sad? Or emotional at least. But in 4 they're a haughty little shit. The clashing personalities sometimes win over each other depending on the scenario.
>>715786669The only mysteries in fiction you know of are written by M. Night Shyamalan and Scott Cawthon.
>>715784735Genuinely what is there to puzzle over once Inception is done? It's got twists but its by no means a confusing film by the ending.
>>715786761>having a character's entire personality and all of chapter 2 be a lie for no reason but le epic twistyou are retarded.
Welcome back to everyone's favorite game show: Who is the knight? The picks today are
>The most obvious Chekhov's gun in history! It's DESS!
>The woman who spoke to Kris on the phone with a clearly fucked up Dark World voice, Carol!
>Dying of cancer, it's Rudy!
>>715786743What is this tranny even babbling about? the problem is that there is no mystery because it's obviously Dess but the game still wants to pretend that you don't already know that
In this moment there are multiple characters that might be the knight, it's not necessary that it's the most obvious, nor that it's a subversion, I don't understand why people pretend the game is ruined depending on wether it's one or the other.
Same for the shipping.
>>715786856>deltazoomer accusing other people of playing juvenile trash like fnaf
>>715786986>In this moment there are multiple characters that might be the knightMaybe if you're coping, it's just Dess and Carol is the obvious red herring who won't amount to anything beyond being the evil faggotphobic parent trying to pretent Susie from munching on Noelle's carpet
>>715787020>Stupid -oomerposting wojakfaggot butts into a discussion just to seethe about his wojakfaggot boogeyman.Kill yourself.
>>715786957>>The woman who spoke to Kris on the phone with a clearly fucked up Dark World voiceShe didn't though as proven by the Weird Route.
You retards can't fucking read.
>>715787080>literally starts to hallucinate wojaks despite not even a single one being posted in this threadHRT induced schizophrenia, the fact that you accuse others of making up boogeyman is incredibly ironic
What makes people like this game?
Genuinely.
I'm actually trying to understand.
I played through chapter 1 and 2, I beat Jevil, I did the snowgrave route.
And then I just had no desire to continue to chapter 3, I just kept pushing and pushing myself through these chapters thinking "okay it's gonna get good by the end of chapter 1, okay it's gonna get good in chapter 2, okay it's gonna get good in the secret route of chapter 2" and then just nothing, it just doesn't do anything.
Like don't get me wrong they're fine but so what?
There's a million games that are 100 times better that all the time I was thinking I'd rather be playing instead of this.
What is the appeal?
What's so special about this?
I see nothing but a somewhat generic dime a dozen penguin of doom indie that's very rough and clearly made by just a random guy with no experience.
>>715787073Carol very obviously knows something about then Dark Worlds. She has a key to the shelter, Asgore has a dark shard and is investigating her house, refers to (you) and she clearly expects Dess to be alive. She might not be the Knight but there is fuckery about with her.
>>715787179>Asgore has a dark shardHe's talking to the katana, dummy.
>>715787073>it's just DessYes, Dess is the most obvious that I mentioned, but others, like Rudolph, could be.
>Carol is the obvious red herring who won't amount to anything beyond being the evil faggotphobic parent trying to pretent Susie from munching on Noelle's carpetMight obviously be.
>>715787136>-oomernigger is too new to know where his nigger lingo comes from.Retardation like yours comes with being new, go back to faceberg then kill yourself you stupid nigger.
>>715787204Asgore literally has a shard
>>715787073I mean it's obvious that The Knight is Gerson. They literally never appear in the same screen despite supposedly occupying the same space.
>Lures Kris and Susie into the Deepest Dark areas so he can appear and pretend to be Gerson>Sends them on a wild goose chase, claiming to have seen The Knight, but somehow never clashed them them>After making the Titan and seeing they're still not strong enough, re-adopts the Gerson persona to help themEven more suspiciously, Susie goes to talk to Gerson after the Titan is banished, but is almost immediately forgotten in favor of the prophecy. He never reappears despite having no need to be gone, and lurks at the back of the prophecy room to quietly nudge Kris back along the path.
His ultimate goal is to make the heroes believe they can defy fate, which like in any story is the hubris needed to make said prophecies fall into place.
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>>715786338It's RNG, but the chances increase depending on the number of deaths and remaining health,
so you're very likely to get heals after a few deaths and at your seventh attempt the odds are even more in your favor.
>>715787302that is fucking retarded. we clearly see the object Gerson is made from, and it wasn't in Toriel's house.
>>715787246>Might obviously be.If you can't see where the story is heading by this point you've only got yourself to blame for the impending disappointment
>>715787317>0% chance with no deathsThat's honestly just retarded
>>715786957The Knight is all 3, like Mike.
>>715787359Well yeah I'm not going to continue since I'm clearly not getting out of this.
But I want to understand what people see in it.
>>715787073>Carol is the obvious red herring who won't amount to anything beyond being the evil faggotphobic parent trying to pretent Susie from munching on Noelle's carpetShe's a red herring when it comes to being the Knight but the rest of what you said is complete retardation from someone who can't fucking read. You're the same type of retard who thinks the ending of Chapter 4 is supposed to be a funny joke.
>>715787359lil niggers dead
>>715787417Anon, I said that's irrelevant, I won't be disappointed when Dess will be the knight, or when Suselle will be canon, nor will I be disappointed if neither happens, that's exactly my point, people should stop letting this decide their enjoyment of the game.
>>715784250It's not like your tv wanted you to lick it or anything, baka!
>every fucking thing about Carol has established her as someone who wants things frozen as they are and hates change
>this characterization won't matter at all
>surely
>>715787342That's just because Gerson is using objects to channel his power. That's why Gerson only appears in fountains made by him, because that dark world houses The Knight's will, and so he has power over it. You see this in Chapter 3 with how he turns into a ball, like a turtle retreating into his shell.
>B-but Susie and Krisaren't The Knight, so this power doesn't belong to them.
>B-but KrisIs working with the Knight, so Kris's will is also The Knight's will.
knight is actually three lightners in a trench coat
example is pic related
I want Kris to kiss Asriel
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>>715786567Maybe so, but you can't deny it's one hell of a coincidence at the very least. The signal could have been any other thing besides a cough. It could have been a nod, a hand sign, anything, but toby chose a cough.I'm not saying toby's like a super genius, but to me that seems like it's meant to be a subtle connection for players to make to get the true identity, among a bunch of super obvious in-your-face red herrings like carol.
>>715779954>Me having finished Devil Blade Reboot on hard and ZeroRanger true ending watching the fights in this game and wondering why everything is so slow>You can take extra hits in this game too, and heal!This is a fucking retirement home...you Deltarune fans have a fun, easy time.
>>715786703that's a novel gaster design. do you have any more of it?
>>715787463It is intended for people who already played and enjoyed Undertale. If you didn't like Undertale, you probably won't like Deltarune either.
You can't explain the appeal of a game. It just resonates with you. If you really think there are a million games 100x better, then you don't get it. Which is ok.
>>715786641but then why doesn't the knight look remotely close to how dess was depicted? Dess looks like a slightly larger, more unkempt version of noelle. Gerson was brought back how he was before, so why not dess? Also, why doesn't dess use or do anything that would make it seem like it's her? It doesn't do anything musically, no guitar, and the sword the knight uses may look like a bat for a moment, but that's essentially it. nothing more. furthermore, the knight actively tries attacking the soul. if it was dess, why would she attack the only link to the light world she has?
>>715778065>It's not actually timed. Jackenstein only spawns when you're at a specific point, so it's scripted. You can go as slowly as you want until he appears.Those bastards
>>715787787How the fuck does Toby keep coming up with such fuckable characters wtf?
>>715786618nobody said it had to be "an epic fnaf twist", you retarded double nigger.
>>715787602>"Onee-Chan... We're not related by blood."This is why you don't invite humans to life in your household.
>>715787787She looks like she would be far more interested in human males than monsters.
>>715787645Coughing is a very common way to signal things.
>someone is about to say some dumb shit>person coughs to signal them to stopis a classic trope, for one.
How come Susie X Ralsei is such a underutilized ship?
>>715788195no self inserters powering it up and it's not as supported as any of the three main ones.
it's also devoid of shitpost energy like all Berdly ships.
>>715788195Most people ship Kris with them instead
>>715787971>then why doesn't the knight look remotely close to how Dess was depictedDark World inhabitants look different depending on who opens the Dark World remember?
> Also, why doesn't dess use or do anything that would make it seem like it's her?Antler horns. A lot of her attacks have a frost based theme. Like Noelle.
>if it was dess, why would she attack the only link to the light world she has?Because we aren't Kris' original Soul. All humans have a Soul remember?
>>715788195Possibly because they were both literally designed to appeal to human men.
>>715787971>Gerson was brought back how he was before, so why not dess?Gerson was brought back as a monstrous statue when Susie created the Dark World.
>>715787971>but then why doesn't the knight look remotely close to how dess was depictedNta but we know that the knight wear an armor, considering Kris imagines them removing their helmet.
>>715788328Kris and the Knight are holding back the entire time
>>715788195Because few people have seen Metal Family so they don't understand how this relationship dynamic can be interesting.
>>715788195Because good taste is vanishingly rare
>>715788517>considering Kris imagines them removing their helmetHe also imagines Jockington inside so I wouldn't trust his judgement.
>>715787292That's from when he tried pulling a "Terry A. Davis VS the CIA" maneuver against the knight.
>>715786957>dark world voicephones don't work in the dark world retard
>>715788520Yeah, which further proves my point.
>>715787787"My name is carol holiday, yo."
"My husband is rudy holiday, yo?"
"Uh huh?"
"He told me EVERYTHING."
>>715788590>He also imagines JockingtonDid you really think he would show (you) his partner in crime? Jokes aside I get what you mean.
>>715788535I've never seen Metal family though and I think it's a decent enough ship.
>>715788576Yes.
>>715788275Femkris and Ralsei is pretty good, I will admit.
>>715786957Carol is proven to not be "the voice" in Snowgrave. She's the obvious red herring, not to mention the misdirection of having her look sinister with sinister OST
>>715779954I got my ass handed to me more times on the shadow mantle fight than The Knight
>>715787260How were people this triggered by harmless boomer memes?
>>715787417Pretty much. Toby woudnt waste time on subtle hints only to make Rudy or Carol a Knight. The only twist would be that Dess is dead and Noelle is LARPing as Dess and the Knight like some Norman Bates character
>>715787787Imagine the lipstick_mark
>>715789117>harmlessIt has utterly shit up internet discussion alongside all of the other wojak cancer. Shove your marketing demographic spam up your ass.
What if the Knight is actually a unseen character? Similar to how Asriel isn't mentioned until you get to Asgore.
>>715789252>that 29 year old boomer who gets upset at 4chan posts
>>715789252you are the crying wojak
>>715787080>>715787260>>715789252Are you that yuri tranny from /a/ who calls everyone retarded tourist?
>>715787175Personally I like Toby's music most of all since the Homestuck days, but seeing where the story goes is interesting and I like his implementation of Touhou-based danmaku gameplay with different twists. Can't speak for other players though, maybe because they enjoyed Undertale and this is parallel to that? Or maybe it's just because it's popular?
>>715787175Bullet Hell + RPG gameplay is fun.
Story is fun and well written by video game standards (Which you can 100% consider a backhanded compliment).
i want CATTY'S big sweaty BUTT on my face and maybe she could even FART a little and her SISTER could JOIN IN too when she comes of LEGAL AGE
Yep, it's more nigger redditors who use imageboards as a toilet for the dogshit opinions that would get them downboated on their shithole website.
>>715788195Because shippers are mentally ill and only like gay shit
>>715789630>You hold opinions that would get you hated on reddit, that means you're from reddit>True 4chan users only have opinions that would be accepted on redditThe projection is insane
I bet you're the kind of "people" who posts the NOT TRUMP version of the reddit is down the hallway gif, faggot
Please Toby Cox, don't make this game easier because of normalfags telling you it's too hard. I beg you.
>>715789764Your kind thinks imageboards are for epic shitposting only, that's the only reason you're here. Blow your brains out.
>>715789865>NOOOOO DON'T HAVE FUN IN THINGS I HATE NIGGERMANN HELP MEEEE
>>715788195Maintaining the KRUSIE agenda, is our goal.
>No matter how much the game soft teased RalSus as a pairing, and how it keeps being pushed a bit, it won't be supported like Doebreaking etc.
>>715789865>doesn't want to have fun on the Internetlmao Amerimutts not being able to handle banter will never cease to amuse me
>>715789615best post in this thread
>As you know, YOU are welcome here any time
>>715789506>>715789598>Touhou / Bullet HellThis is like claiming Doom (1993) and Call of Duty play anywhere near similar.
>RPGExtremely simplified compared to proper RPGs. Even the original Final Fantasy (1987) had more gameplay depth than UT/DR.
If I had to classify UT/DR's gameplay, it would be a flash-style minigame medley. The game is constantly switching to new gameplay modes and/or puzzles, yet all of them have low depth and difficulty in order to be accessible to the most casual of players (with a few very rare exceptions, and even then the hardcore crowd would consider them trivial).
>>715790231Why does she have a dick
>>715790182I donโt get the people saying she was talking to the player there. She was obviously talking to Kris. Kris is conspiring alongside her, not the player. Which is why Kris removes the soul whenever he has to do something for the knight faction
>>715790340That's the proper lore.
>>715789865>Your kind thinks imageboards are for epic shitposting onlyActually no, itโs that plus serious discussion, both of which are forbidden on other sites because of the lgbt mafia
Why does he hate anime so much?
>he
it's supposed to be you
>>71579058690% of us on this site are dudes and the last 10% are trannies
>>715790207>This is like claiming Doom (1993) and Call of Duty play anywhere near similar.It's bullet hell. I would compare it somewhat to Touhou, but Touhou generally leans less towards gimmick patterns while Deltarune is all about being incredibly creative with it's attacks.
>Extremely simplified compared to proper RPGsDepends on how you look at it. I would compare it to something like Superstar Saga.
>>715790562He's an ISTP lil cunt
>>715790628Is Kris yellow because he's like a lego or the simpsons, like it's meant to be seen as neutral, or is he just a gook
>>715790562He's a pretentious teenager.
>>715790757I always considered him asian since he's such a manlet, but truthfully you can consider him any race but negro.
>>715790886Monsters are the stand in for black people, so yes.
>>715788195They've got almost 0 alone time outside of a brief stint in chapter 2 so it's difficult to see their relationship developing like that, even if I like it more than Suselle (which sucks, honestly).
>>715790959I guess? Frankly, much of the drama in chapter 3 and 4 is largely pulled forward by their relationship. With Kris being more of a secondary player.
Jannies, steal deltatroon thread spotted. Off to /vg/ with them immediately
>>715790691UT/DR may have "bullets", but it definitely has no "hell". The playfield is tiny, the hitbox is huge, the movement speed is slow and the number of bullets you're dealing with is very low. Someone with UT/DR as their sole experience in STG-adjacent things would have no proper skills to tackle any Japanese STGs and would have to learn them by playing these games.
The point I'm trying to make is that while Toby Fox might have been inspired by Touhou and other similar games, his end product absolutely doesn't belong in the same category and people should stop parroting this nonsense.
>>715788195Give it time. A good artist will come along and awaken people to it
>>715790757Heโs yellow because Frisk was yellow because he was a Simpson.
>>715791119Most of the extra bosses do largely fall into the category of bullet hell by most defintions.
>Inb4 it's still easyIt's harder than several actual Touhou games and the experience 100% does match up.
>>715786957All in on Asgore
>>715791120I guess, right now everybody is too busy taking sides in the great Susie ship war anyway.
Shhh
Asgore isn't the one jealous in Chapter 5, it's the golden flower, whose goal will be to get a SOUL and cross over to the light world
>>715791205The eyes convince me Frisk is a chink
What the fuck is wrong with her
>Carol
>Instantly hates on Susie for being a delinquent.
>But is totally fine with the resident Human and troublemaker Kris being around.
Weird.
>>715791419She wants the good girl but needs the bad pussy.
>>715791420She hates on Susie for messing with Dess' guitar I figure. Noelle says they're not even supposed to go into the room IIRC.
>>715791420Sheโs a based Kriselle Chad
So is this guy actually insane or are people just nitpicking his text quirk? Is it actually getting more exaggerated? Whatโs the difference between him in chapter 4 and chapter 2? I tried watching old videos of the latter and I didnโt see any
>>715791419>Dad is dying>Mother is overly strict>Childhood friend pushed her away>Sister missing>Has to deal with berdly every school dayI'd be unhinged too
>>715777802 (OP)>Youris Toby retarded ?
>>715791419>Noelle is a repressed masochist (maybe also sadist?) >Susie is a repressed wholesome chungus that taught herself how to be violent and scary The whole basis of the Noelle/Susie relationship stuff is that they're practically inverted versions of each other.
>>715791623>Maybe also sadistNah. Kris is obviously the repressed sadist. It's even pointed out he might secretly enjoy some part of the weird route.
>>715777802 (OP)End your life asap.
>>715791586She's rich as fuck though.
>>715791734You can be rich and still miserable. Money doesn't really help if your life is falling apart right in front of your eyes
>>715791679True. I mostly based that off of random weird stuff she mentions like keeping headless cats in her Pet Petterz save, but that could easily just be her fascination with the macabre shining through rather than outright sadism.
>>715791790I think it's mostly just fascination with the macabre. Which, not sure if that's usually a masochist tendency.
>>715791420>Some bully that's known for causing trouble is playing with your dead daughter guitar when you didn't even know she was there>Is known to be too scared of losing anything that she refuses to take anything outside of her houseAll things considered she acted nice towards Susie, I know I would've been absolutely raging if I was in her shoes even if Susie is ultimately nice, Noelle is a bitch for getting Susie to play on her own dead sister guitar though, like I can't be the only one who found what Noelle did to be disgusting and disrespectful towards her own sister?
>>715790562Because Alphys gooning over it one too many times made it uncool. Besides
>He likes real gator women in bikinis, like on the music videos!
What do you think Susie's backstory is actually going to be?
>Moved around a lot
>Everybody she knew thought she was scary
>Only befriended her because they hoped she would terrorize people they didn't like.
>chapter 7 has a hidden scene if you collect all of the eggs
>it reveals that Gaster was an egg (trans) all along and she finally comes out to the player and says โtrans rightsโ
>and says you can know longer call her โmystery manโ
Your reaction?
So aside from Noelle who is a confirmed virgin (until the weird route), who do you think is or isn't a virgin?
>>715791935Eh... I think it depends on what Dess would think of it. If anything, I would say it's mostly inconsiderate towards her mother.
She certainly isn't beating the "Projecting Dess on Susie" allegations, frankly.
>>715792042Is the blond guy's game worth playing?
>>715792058Almost all darkeners are virgins because few people go around fucking laptops or table cards.
Kris and Susie are also obviously virgins.
Jockington 100% fucked Catti.
>>715790927>DarknersHow did based Toby get away with this?
>>715791420>HMOFA Queen (Rich Bitch Hag)Not weird. I kneel. (and eat her leaky venison)
>>715791586You forgot
>Is vegetarianShe needs meat in her life, otherwise she is a giant walking doe pussy that's on the verge of madness.
>Dess is the knight
>Carol is the knight
>Rudy is the knight
>Alphys is the knight
>The Vessel is the knight
>Papyrus is the knight
Is there anyone here who ISN'T the knight?
>>715792490The Knight is less of a person and more of a state of mind.
>>715792490>Catti: "Like, Meow, and stuff."
>>715791926>>715791790Women love serial killers and true crime, that's an obvious connection with masochist tendency,
but Noรซlle is also based on these 2000s rawrxd-girls who were very into creepycute stuff like Tim Burton, Happy Tree Friends, Invader Zim etc.
Headless virtual cats fit right in.
>>715777802 (OP)>your takingWhat the fuck is this shit grammar
>>715792705Sensible response considering the weirdroute.
>>715792490>He's the knight>He's the knight!>YOU'RE the knight!>I'M THE KNIGHT!>Are there any other knights I should know about?!
>>715777875darude sandstorm
>>715792490This is just Lord English speculation all over again
Watch as it turns out to be an amalgamation of characters, with the main one being a completely new one not introduced yet
>>715784892Yeah, exactly. ESLs learn pronouns and forms of "to be" first, so they would learn "you are" first and then learn to make a contraction out of it.
The real answer is that Toby Fox just used the wrong "your" as a joke.
>>715792698>>715791604The boss has bad grammar on purpose
>>715778841Because the story just continues if you lose to him, so many players will assume you're supposed to lose and won't bother resetting, especially after a long-ish cutscene. Also, they already beat a secret boss and received the shadow mantle, so they will just assume that this was the chapter's secret.
Will the jackenstein fight ever be topped?
>>715782495>Carol is not related to either the knight nor the person talking on the phone.You're looking for a twist that isn't there. Simple as. Knight is Carol.
>>715791420She hates Susie for being poor
>>715793285>passfagYOUR A TOO L
I don't think you see the big picture
Mystery Man and Gaster are two different individuals
>>715793180>Imagine if your female bully actually wanted to fuck you.
>>715792490Surprisingly enough, the Roaring Knight is not actually the Knight
>>715793405NOOOO NOT A TOOLE
>>715779954There isnโt going to be an end game knight battle itโs gonna lose to a Titan in a cutscene and die
>* Like, uh, hey, maybe things took a genocide route right now...
what did tobias vulpine mean by this
>>715791584It's actually a reference to the fact that Jockington is a homosexual and is dating Catti to hide this fact. He feeds her daily, growing her larger and larger.
>>715793662It started in Undertale:
>"Frisk, you have shown yourself to be a true pacifist!"
>>715793662>*What are we? Some kind of Deltarune?Bravo Tony
>>715793180Large pillow that can stomp houses. She's peak performance
>>715793321His fight was unique, but I liked Gerson's significantly better.
Did Asriel know Dess and Noelle in the undertale timeline as well?
>>715790409Are you fucking stupid?
>>715788195Because the Krusie agenda meme actually became an agenda, the most popular art Deltarune pieces are Krusie and Asgore truck related
>>715794201Krusie fans are setting themselves up for either the greatest darkhorse victory in gaming history or a defeat of epic proportions.
>>715781005Probably some version where we finally see the full, unaltered legend.
Give me hideous Tumblr art:
>>715783269Nah. If anything the SOUL/VESSEL is Frisk in Chara's role, while Kris is Chara in Frisk's role. Chara was explicitly SOULless in Undertale.
>>715794659Realistic Fem Kris.
What is Kris' fucking defect
>>715794659>hey hey hey the soul is gay
>>715793321Already topped by the Gerson fight
Iโm scared for Ch 5 because itโs supposed to be the second biggest weird route event besides Ch 2
>>715784517Normalfags literally don't know who Dess is. Half of my friends only know her because of the shitty Asgore meme.
>>715794823Autism + Psychopathy.
>>715794318Either way, that's why I recommend saving art all ships, artists are well known for meltdowns when their ship doesn't win
>>715794823Severe lack of tomboy deer pussy
>>715794659>bowling pin carol and bowling ball kris
>>715794885I'm just looking forward to seeing Mindbroken Noelle.
>>715794902This.
It's going to be the straight version of Johnlock.
>>715786546People who can't play a game without self-inserting are genuinely low IQ NPCs.
>>715794932It'll be funny if when Dess is revealed she looks nothing like how she's been depicted for the last 7 years
>>715794659are you sure this isn't a parody of something?
>>715786834Who wins, Delta squad or Undertale squad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0hO1WIqYhY
holy kino
>>715795123the 2/3rds of the fun gang aren't (as) off-model so they win
>>715794017>Susie~>huuug~>You're...too heavy!
>>715794998Who?
>>715795080She's going to be trans.
>When Noelle is with Kris she only talks about Susie
>when Noelle is with Susie she only talks about Kris
What causes this?
>>715795080I don't think there was a single accurate piece of Carol fanart on the entire internet, so you're probably right. The revelation of Carol having antlers a different color than Rudy or Noelle has led to a lot of red antler Dess art, but I bet Tricky Tony has another piece of the design to change up his sleeve that no one will predict.
The only prediction I'm confident in is that she'll have a dye streak like Kris's rockstar outfit.
>>715791302Frisky is Asian.
>>715794659Imagine the climbing scene where Susie has to hoist up this literal hippopotamus
>>715795482Because liking Kris is all that Susie and Noelle have in common.
>>715794134Flowey knew them, he would've helped them in some timelines and then horribly murdered them in others.
But Asriel himself? No, he'd almost definitely have been dead for a long time before even Rudy was born.
>Everybody thinks Dess is going to be some likeable cool alt girl
>Don't realize this is going to end with Asriel saying "Dess... wasn't the best person".
Dess deserved it letโs be honest
>>715791420Still think Susie's supposed to die for whatever cult town shit they have going, in Noelle's place possibly. So naturally they'd probably be less keen on getting attached
>>715794134Yes, as Flowey. He killed them btw.
>>715793180>wants to be bad>can't help but be goodIt's cute.
>>715794885Hopefully Mantle 3 comes true and we kill everyone in Hometown.
>>715795610Can't wait to do what Flowey does and murder the entire family in the Undertale re-release.
>>715795690That was probably the original plan, unfortunately Kris got attached to her. The knight stops Kris from going after her at the end of Ch4 and reminds him to keep his promise.
I would run over Dess too
>>715795283Both Susie and Frisk are off-model there. Susie doesn't have tits as large.
>>715795690While I like the idea, it still sounds like a Into the Woods ripoff.
>>715795706>Flowey canonically did a genocide run several times>Was killed by Asgore at the endDid killing Rudy's children just put Asgore in serious mode? At least considering the complete none fight he puts up in Undertale genocide.
>>715795825Unironically: Deer meat is delicious.
>>715795916>Killed by Asgore*Sans.
Flowey blames Sans for most of his RESETs, not Asgore.
>>715795848sure, but at least it's only susie on the fun gang's side, compared to the bone bros + frisk where frisk looks like a pink-skinned lady with big boobs and sans is twice the height and has some weird shit going on with his feet (though maybe that's meant to be a joke and he's standing on bucket stilts or something?)
>>715795816>Set up Susie as a obviously sacrifice>Get Kris involved, somebody who at least initially didn't care about Susie.>Entire plan is derailed by hormones.Good trope.
>>715786113The Knight is the player from Undertale
>>715795770DR will steal yet another thing from Omori, and you will have a battle sequence in the real world
>>715795979Yeah, but he did seemingly eventually beat Sans considering that he mentions he could never get past Asgore.
Most likely fighting Asgore was just such a non contest he gave up after a few attempts. Like he actually had 80 defense and 80 attack.
>>715795975Would Noelle get turned on if you ate deer meat in front of her?
Has it ever actually been explained why Frisk/Kris are yellow?
Do they have liver failure maybe?
Is that why Kris is dying without a soul?
>>715790231Who are they even talking about? Catty? Asriel was probably forced to take her by accident. Meanwhile half the shit in dess's room is Asriel's. This is like the worst forced cuck shit I've ever seen. Just let the two kids who like each other fuck.
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What if Dess is Deltarune's Chara
>>715788195Tomboy on femboy is a sublime combination not many appreciate. I belileve it could even work if the story took a different path aiming for a doomed romance. They work amazingly as friends as is
>>715796186we would know if dess was human
>chapter 7
>noelle laughs
>>you know, my sister never was a good person
>>715794885I hope the mindbreak/rape memes becomes even more great
>>715796159100%.
She would try to excuse it by claiming "They are animals, they just LOOK like us." and "I eat plants as well but know a few plant monsters". But then at night she starts looking up hard vore and slowly gets more into it.
i'm so glad you people aren't writing this game
>>715796252Toby will turn in down thanks to the rape allegations in ch4
>>715796186Deltarune's Chara is either breaking Asriel's pelvis or giving him backshots
>>715796186Thematically: They are. Either that or Dess is Asriel/Flowey.
>>715796243Would be funnier if it was Asriel again.
>>715795816I mean just going by Susie's reaction to the last prophecy panel, Ralsei trying to keep her in the dark from it. Kris being involved in keeping her from getting access to the shelter when he knows the codes already. Really though I think it's her reaction to the prophecy that makes me think it, the denial and naive hope.
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>>715796253That girl ain't right.
>>715796297Deltarune Chara seems to be Kris. Might even live in the same hometown.
>>715795487Didn't Dess' room have shoes? Doesn't that mean there's a chance she's actually human? Because the game said that at one point Kris wore a headband to imitate the goat horns, and in the chapter 3 flashback they're all in silhouette, including Dess, which could have been to hide that possibility.
>>715796231>the antlered girl and her big sisInstead of
>the antlered sisters
>>715796380Kris is Deltarune's Asriel.
Has a troubled relationship with a troublemaking person, who likely did terrible things, was too much of a pushover and went along with it, now feels guilt for their involvement and is likely doomed to a terrible fate
>>715796252https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccJQh4ivYk
I hope she ends up like this.
>>715796065>Entire plan is derailed by hormones
>>715794659this is kino
if you think this is hideous then you consume too much anime, anon
Honestly, main reason why I like the idea of Dess being human is because it would be a huge gamechanger and indicate there is probably a second soul somewhere.
>>715796481Could also works. Though, in both look and backstory he is obviously a stand in for Chara.
>>715796634this makes me wonder out of morbid curiosity, has anyone done art of dess x shota/UT asriel?
>>715796681Human Dess is the most retarded theory in history. There is zero evidence supporting it. Meanwhile you literally examine her shoes and they say there are made for hooves
>>715796535>Kris slowly starting to realize that he actually likes her.>Him having to choose between sacrificing Noelle and Susie or somehow, desperately, trying to find a third route. It would be kino.
>>715796128The context of that line is about getting the human SOULs. Flowey 100% has killed Asgore before.
>>715796734Don't think so.
Could see it when her official design actually appears though.
>>715796825I'm pretty sure the explicit line is "I could never get past Asgore". While you MIGHT be able to read that as "I could never get past Sans" it seems unlikely.
Reminder:
>Asgore's standard greeting is "Howdy!"
>Drives a big truck
>Loves country music
>Favorite TV show is a cowboy western
>Rudy's wife owns a samurai sword
>Noelle casually dropping some joke about "the Holiday family ninja arts"
>Obsession with Christmas despite the fact that they aren't Christian
You aren't just HUMAN'ing Noelle, you're BLEACHING her too. She's a 100% confirmed monster PAAG.
>>715796679Anime>>>>>>That slop.
>>715795482She yearns for what she can't have
Human Dess would make my penis hard
But my brain knows better
How many endings do you think Detarune is gonna have?
>Regular route
>Weird route
>Aborted weird route
>happy/true ending
>>715796918He also said he killed everyone, anon. He also said he couldn't get Asgore to show the SOULs and that Sans in specific is the reason for his RESETs. I know you like Asgore, but he isn't Flowey's main roadblock in killing everyone.
>>715796535I hope Kris makes the right choice.
>>715796186Dess is the Asriel of this game. The Knight is her Flowey. Kris is Chara, while SOUL/VESSEL is Frisk.
>>715797023I guess? I don't know, I find it hard to believe he would kill absolutely everybody yet be foiled because he couldn't find the souls.
>>715796380Kris is Frisk, thougheverbeit, they flirt as well as Frisk, Kris does the goofier things Frisk's ACTs do, they look the same and their names are similar.
Kris and Chara both have knives but Chara's can be implied to come from Asgore, it's not a deep character connection because they are the same person but because they both have Asgore as a father.
Kris doesn't have Chara's weird 9 fixation and doesn't have their weird efficiency autism like filling cups to the brim and doesn't have anywhere near their crueler tendencies.
>>715796045>like a pink-skinned lady with big boobs>Implying that's bad.
>>715797084He'll choose to sacrifice himself to save noelle and Susie.
In the weird route you can pick who to sacrifice.
>>715797153It's not hard to believe when that's literally what the game tells you in his genocide monologue.
>>715796159>>715796253>not feeding the meat to her and watching her show her hidden fangs as she turns into more of a predatoryou think too small
>>715796928Aren't the Holidays canadian?
>>715796770>Him having to choose between sacrificing Noelle and Susie or somehow, desperately, trying to find a third route.Holy shit, Toby is copying MGQ again
>>715797251I don't 100% trust his monologue, frankly. It's also just way dumber than the alternative.
>>715797161if you're trying to be on-model then yeah it's pretty bad
>>715797157>Kris doesn't have Chara's weird 9 fixation and doesn't have their weird efficiency autism like filling cups to the brim and doesn't have anywhere near their crueler tendencies.Kris is implied to be very autistic, a bit of a sadist, possibly doing self harm or suicidal, and generally very weird. He mostly comes across to me what Chara would have ended up with if he had a happier childhood.
>>715779312>Susie never wants to go near herWhat exactly was Susies deal with not even wanting to approach alphys' place in the one Hometown bit where you were both together? Every grownup seems to dickride susie so it feels weird there's this barrier between alphys and susie, snd yeah I know alphys talks about susie to toriel but that alone can't be why she avoids her
>>715797429(You) are the one who said that. I love off-model.
>>715797293God I hope not
>>715777802 (OP)just finished chapter 4. i hate susie. everything in the entire game is about susie and she can do no wrong. susie is the best party member in the game. susie is the chosen one. susie is the poochie of undertale. whenever susie isn't on screen the player should close their eyes and imagine what susie is doing.
>>715797257Can deers even digest meat?
>>715797321Somebody should make a Undertale/Deltarune Monster Girl "Lose and the girl rapes you" fangame.
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>Rudy and Toriel kept watching TV together on christmas after Asgore and Carol stopped
Did Toriel really...
>>715797367It's not dumb. Flowey can easily kill Asgore by catching him off-guard by yelling "I'm Asriel" or something similar.
>>715797536Alphys might be Susie's current guardian, or Alphys helped Susie like Toriel did before and she feels embarrassed being around her.
What is Deltarune's musical theme? Is it "Don't Forget"? Why does the Undertale theme still make an appearance in some tracks?
>>715797536It's easy to forget this, but Susie is on very thin ice and largely expected she was going to get kicked out of school soon. She's worried Alphys will kick her out.
Obviously, Alphys is way too much of a loser weeb to every kick her out. But she doesn't know that.
>>715796253Noelle got into vore because she found the yoshi and piranha plant art that Dess found in Asriel's deviantart gallery
>>715797603Surprised you didn't use the one that shows that Rudy and Toriel were the actual last ones who spent time with each other in front of the TV.
Which kind of implies things when Asriel and Kris apparently couldn't stand hanging out with their own mom.
>>715797630nailed almost everything but Susie
>>715797614I guess? Frankly, Asgore's behavior during the genocide route never really made much sense to me.
>>715797661Yes, it's clearly Don't Forget.
>>715784517It can't be Dess you fucking idiot, the Knight clearly went to the Light World to at least bring Undyne from Kris' house to the Bunker, and Dess can't do that if she's lost in the darkness. How is this so hard for you faggots to understand?
>>715797727it's more that they have a computer in their bedroom speaking as someone that also had that luxury
>>715797680>Susie and Kris fail the project and Susie gets expelled from school, the final tragedy is Susie has to move away again and there's nothing you can do to fix that
>>715797753Asgore doesn't know what's going on, and he believes Chara is a monster because they are a weird soulless being possessing Frisk. It makes sense to me.
>>715797630You were actually playing as Catti all along.
>>715797780Literally who else could it be
>>715797832Sure. But it's a literal scene representing the slow decline of love and peace in the household and Kris and Asriel fucking dip even before Rudy does.
>Everyone memeing about Asgore running over Dess.
>Not the inevitable Asgore running over Asriel when he comes home to visit and Toriel exploding so hard she opens another dark fountain
Dare I say, epic moment incoming?
>>715795975How does it taste compared to beef?
>>715797876It doesn't because Undyne claims Asgore absorbed the souls and that Alpyhs warned them about you coming.
Even if Asgore assumed you were a monster, you think he would have a photo of you or something.
>>715797780>and Dess can't do that if she's lost in the darknessYou're taking one very big assumption and presenting it as hard truth
>>715797982It's beef, but it has less flavor because it's leaner. It's still good, but I don't know why the other anon would ever prefer it to beef.
>>715797780>the Knight clearly went to the Light World to at least bring Undyne from Kris' house to the BunkerDid you see her do that?
Legitimate question, because you have the Shuttah saying it's possible to travel between dark worlds in the purple cliffs void, the fog surrounding the door keeping anyone from actually seeing the Knight go through it, and the figure that Susie sees being too far away for her to positively identify it. Plus the lingering question since the end of chapter 1 about how exactly Asriel can travel between dark worlds, especially since chapter 2 proved and chapter 4 puts the nail in the coffin of him being an object carried around by Kris or Susie.
>people think asriel is still alive
?????
>>715798057>how exactly AsrielRalsei. Still waking up. Ralsei.
>>715797982It's a bit more subtle and earthier in taste and generally less fat. It's pretty similar to the difference between wild swine and pigs.
>>715798116Kris was talking to him just before the game started on his computer.
>>715798116why wouldn't he be
>>715798047Only wild meat I really prefer to the normal variant is swine.
Imagine if mother3 came out in chapters and once ch5 released everyone was like โthe masked man canโt be Claus thatโs too obviousโฆโ
>>715798116this is the most braindead theory there is, for retards desperate to join in on all the theorizing but too stupid to think of anything good
>>715797992Undyne just assumed that would happen. It's clear Alphys didn't call Asgore for some reason.
It's violent how much I don't give a single fuck about chara or frisk
>>715797945To be fair, that is pretty realistic. The kids are usually the second one to go.
>>715798101How did Rudy leave his hospital bed multiple times without anyone noticing?
>>715797969>Asgore running over Asriely tho
>>715798291what you don't like the actual self insert and the spoopypasta
>>715798257I'm assuming Flowey or whatever killed her before she could contact Asgore. But that's mostly just a headcanon.
Either way, it's possible but dumb. Prefer to think Flowey either never got past Asgore or Sans. We already know Asgore was holding back during the fight to a insane extent, and I know plenty of people who gave up fighting Sans.
>>715798301He was out of bed when he went to church, wasn't he?
>>715798445>Okay, we admit it, none of us is the knight
>>715798445Dess is obviously the knight.
Most players will be shocked, SHOCKED! Fans here will go "Saw it coming".
>>715798527But thats so boooring
>>715798291It's violent how much I care about my human wives.
The knight will actually turn out to be Susie'' mother.
>>715798527People donโt realize how far ahead /v/ is in terms of understanding the story. Reminder if Reddit weeks to realize Kris was working with the knight kek. The average player will be shocked itโs Dess
KNOCK YOU DOWN !! is still perhaps the best boss theme.
>>715798387Having killed someone doesn't mean they necessarily lost in a fair fight, so fair enough.
>>715798586it's only boring to you cause people guessed it already
>>715798586From a drama perspective it's the obvious pick. Carol would just be the queen all over again. Rudy has some appeal, but it's more of a stretch.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a second twist. Like Kris actually put his soul in Dess and that created the knight.
What if the Knight is actually nobody in particular?
>>715798441To go to church as he announced he would
How could he leave unprompted to open fountains at the middle of the day or night without anyone seeing or asking what for
>>715798702The real twist is what happened to Dess to make her the Knight, and what her and Kris are working on.
>Carol kidnaps the soul
>Inserts it to Kris
>The Knight makes Dark Fountains to make the heroes stronger
>The goal is to have your cake and to eat it too
>Stop the roaring while making everything a dark world anyways
>>715798631watch normalfags find out about Hussie=Holiday in 4 years
>>715797225I kinda think Noelle being the sacrifice is the original plan he's on board with derailing. It would explain why he's so protective of Noelle on weird route against you. Initially on board with sacrificing Susie only to start liking her is some good shit.
>>715798631Yeah. Hell, after chapter 1 and 2 most people didn't even realize Dess was a thing.
Really, I don't mind the fact that a mystery is solvable. That's generally viewed as good writing. Biggest issue is that with the current release schedule people will be waiting until 2030 to have their theories confirmed.
>>715798891>Carol actually just wants to save her husband and daughter.>Motivation is basically the same as the queen but with more thought put into it. Could see it.
>>715799013the Queen is everyone's mom after all
>>715798938I wish it was never fucking found out. Now my dick gets hard whenever I think of Andrew Hussie getting tgtf'd into a fat titted reindeer girl.
>>715778841>but shards are explained to the player since the chapter oneYou mean shadow crystals and having a reward for optional fights doesn't change the fact they are optional.
Plus, the average player literally only knows the knight is a shadow crystal fight because of the internet. Plenty could assume
>>715778998 when playing blind.
>>715799006That's my assumption as well. At first he just saw her as a mean bully that told him to kill himself. But then he slowly started to become friends, possibly even love, and now he honestly can't bring himself to actually go through with it.
Noelle dying might also be the prophecy Susie saw, or at least part of it.
>you can predict the story that means itโs BAD
People are buck broken from a decade of Hollywood subversion
>>715795979He just said he caused him his fair share of resets, as far as I can remember.
>>715798657I'm actually listening to the whole soundtrack right now. Wouldn't say it's the best, but I like it. It's certainly an underrated boss theme.
>>715795916In undertale genocide almost certainly flowey intercepted the messages to him that Alphys and Undyne should have sent, making him oblivious and letting you kill him.
>>715782128MP4s are easier to make, plus would have been a smaller file size had it been a short loop like that gif.
>>715799142Pretty much. Though I honestly mostly blame spoiler culture, Sherlock, and people just having a warped view of the appeal of mystery.
I remember a lot of people figuring out the big twist in Gravity Falls and I honestly don't remember anybody being all that disappointed. Meanwhile, pretty much everybody was pissed off when it became clear the new Star Wars movies either had no idea what Rey's backstory was or that it was changed halfway.
>>715798527Asrielfags have betted everything on dess being the knight
>>715799121I don't think Susie thinks Noelle is part of the prophecy. I think she got parts of it mixed up with "The Girl" being a descriptor for both the second hero and The Girl herself. So if the prophecy she saw mentions the death of the girl, she thinks it's herself.
>>715799405I just want Asriel to bitch about his former friends again.
>>715799301There's a broken discrepance between how people engage with media now X how to engage with a good story
Audiences want to spend years theorizing and making fanfiction about their versions of the story with ongoing shows and mangas then get inevitably disappointed when it doesn't turn their way, or disappointed because the plot twists fucking suck and ruined the story for the sake of subverting expectations
>>715799430Could also be. Her reaction doesn't really strike me as something that would require a huge sacrifice on her part, but she also isn't suicidal or anything and I doubt she's that prone to self sacrificing.
>>715786141>>715786046>>715786641I always thought the Claus connection was going to end up being Kris in some weird way, along the lines of Kris -> 'Krismas' -> Christmas -> Santa Claus -> Claus, and before I see some crackpot youtube fanfiction writer says it, I would like to submit now that The Knight is once again Kris, but more specifically, Kris's original SOUL before we took over, which is why Kris has a save file in the dark world. Can't explain the no-hit nod, and there would probably be some weird shit like "The Vessel was actually a vessel for Kris's SOUL and so Kris vs the Knight is actually You (Kris) vs Kris (You)" if that were true, but fuck it. I'm too high at work right now because of the chemicals being used so I'm gonna pass out
>>715799301the twist in gravity falls had good build up and a good payoff, despite many people predicting it very early on
i believe that toby is doing something similar, but now he has 10 years of 'muh subversion' clouding everyone's minds because that's what modern storytelling has degraded into
if toby does have some surprise twist that catches people off guard, i would not be shocked to learn if someone here had already called it and got ignored because it was either not baity enough or drowned out by lesser but more appealing theories
>>715799301The third (turd) trilogy was directed by three different people and the 2nd guy went, "You know what? Literally everything set up in the first movie doesn't fucking matter and I'm getting rid of it right fucking now." Forget "mystery", that shit just didn't have a chance of being an actual story about anything, period.
The big twist in Gravity Falls was literal foreshadowing from the very beginning and the entire thing is one big testament to how it was being intentionally set up. The whole show is about mysteries and ARG shit so I dunno how anyone could be pissed off by it.
Honestly, all this other bullshit aside, I dunno how to feel about Deltarune on this horseshoe. I mean it's kind of refreshing for Toby to just go, "Yeah your theories are too fucking schizo bro the story is more literal than that." But at the same time it's kind of a dick move.
>>715799471Yeah, though it certainly doesn't help when you get shows like Game of Thrones that do just completely fuck up the landing. I think, most of all, what matters is that the author has faith in the story he wants to tell. That's why I'm not too worried for Deltarune.
>>715799471from games suffer from this greatly, so many salty miquellafags
>>715799531Which to me explains her reaction to it. Denial, laughing at it, reassuring Ralsei that's it's stupid and not going to happen.
An extra little tidbit is that the first Sanctuary has all the philosophers reinstating the prophecy as a great truth, while all the philosophers in her dark world question it.
>>715798291they are non-characters, don't let the avatarfaggot gaslight you otherwise
>>715777875Dragon blazers 2
>>715799556>i believe that toby is doing something similar, but now he has 10 years of 'muh subversion' clouding everyone's minds because that's what modern storytelling has degraded intoWell, that and mystery boxes.
>>715799624I'm reserving my judgement until the whole thing is done. Undertale pulled out several massive game changers during the literal last hour, twice even. Wouldn't surprise me if Deltarune does the same thing.
>>715797306My FUARKING hero....
>>715798291Chara is discount Flowey, and Frisk has very little character, being your self insert.
>>715799965>Anyone who likes Undertale's main characters is my personal nemesis.You're as much of an avatarfag as your schizo boogeyman desu.
>>715800195Chara is literally me. Mostly because I want to kill myself and make life worse for everybody around me.
>>715779312shes not the knight, BUT she is part of the Entry 17, and part of the Deltarune plan
>what do you two think?it's Sans and Alphys. Everything you said is true with Alphys, even she is the "important" person you speak to church. and whatever Gaster is, is the head scientist of the project.
Sans is most likely from the Deltarune world when in Undertale. Like Alphys, is acting "dum", since he saved Toriel from the church dark fountain
this is what romance looks like
>>715797306WHEN I WAST
A YOUNG BOYE
>>715798291>All these people saying Frisk is a self-insert.Undertale fans can't read...
>>715800458This. Chara is your self insert because you are a bad person as well.
I am listening to the entire soundtrack so I can rank my favorite tracks. So far I am of the opinion that, musically, Ch3 > Ch2. Tenna's theme is just incredibly fun, and Toby is able to spin it into so many ways that are all uniquely iconic. The 8-bit style tracks are all great too, and of course there's the stand outs like Raise Up Your Bat and the boss themes. Not to diminish Ch2, which has its own greats, but as a collection I think Ch3 is stronger.
>>715800647Big Shot, though...
Do you think Toriel and Asgore would have still adopted a human if they learned about what happened in Undertale?
>>715800806Asgore 100%. Which is why Toriel would divorce him again
>>715800697Of course Big Shot is S-tier. I'm just saying Ch3 has generally more A-tier tracks, and brings the average up.
>>715800647Honestly I agree. Chapter 3's OST felt superior.
>>715792490I'm... I'm out of knights
>>715782128Because he saved it from twitter, you retard. Why convert an already lossily converted garbage quality video to an even lower quality gif?