wtf did he do to Ranni to deserve the worst fate in entire game?

>>715789527 (OP)
You'll get it once you get further in the game.

>>715789527 (OP)
Nothing. Ranni was just being a woman.

Just like the player she's a psychotic killer who doesn't suffer the consequences of her actions. Everyone including the lame wimp wristed non character tarnished deserve to burn in hell.

>>715789595
I beat the game before once (also on Ranni's ending which makes me sick) but I still don't get why it had to be Godwyn, just because he chilled with dragons?

>>715789756
You are making an erroneous assumption that it had to be Godwyn instead of it simply being Godwyn.
From sheer logistics she chose someone in Leyndell so it would cause chaos there so what she's doing on her tower would go unnoticed. Godwyn dying is a happenstance so she can escape her own body. Not vice versa.

She had to get it on. He was making a move so she had to get it on.

These games are satanic in nature. You would find yourself questioning it every time if you have a soul.

>>715789939
I see you

>>715789527 (OP)
He was the natural successor to Marika along with herself and Ranni wanted to ensure there was no saving the Golden Order shitshow so the Dark Moon can replace it with its own order.

>>715789527 (OP)
maybe she just had enough of his ugly mug, I mean just look at it

>>715789939
Based.

>Ranni is le bad
Reddit opinion.

>>715789527 (OP)
It's an empty body with no sapience of any kind so I would hardly call that "the worst fate in the entire game". He died instantly and stopped existing at that moment.
If anything that is a better ending than most people get in Miyazaki games.

It’s astonishing how he was never in the dlc but okay fromsoftware. It’s not like it’s on the best concepts you made and is virtually all over the fucking map but thank God we had a frenzied forest of nothing

Hopefully they do something with him in Elden Ring 2

I heard it was essentially a false flag to purposefully set off the shattering and say fuck you to the greater will

I've played through every Dark Souls game and Elden Ring and I have no idea what's going on in any of them, I just kill shit.

>>715794973
I thought Godwyn would be in the dlc with all the black/gold shit like deathblight colours.

But guess they wanted to wank off radahn after people were shitposting about malenia cheating in their fight.

>>715795330
Congratulations on being retarded?

>>715795587
They're obviously saving shit for Elden Ring 2. BUY ELDEN RING 2.

That's his 'curse'. Miquella/Malenia are cursed because of the way they were born, but I feel like every Demigod is 'cursed' in their own right, either literally or poetically. Godwyn's curse is being the perfect heir doomed to disease the land. He's Baldr.

>>715789595
This picture doesn't make sense. The nightfarers got sucked in during the Shattering, which was caused by Godwyn's death. They wouldn't suddenly have armor made in his visage.

>>715794973
>>715795587
Godwyn boss would have ruined the entire point of his death. His soul is literally dead.
The entire plot of stuffing Radahn's soul into Mohg's body could not have worked with Godwyn. There's no soul to stuff into someone else, and his body is literally cancer. The only thing that could've maybe worked is Miquella stuffing himself into Godwyn's deathroot

>>715796245
They could've totally stuffed Radahns soul into Godwyns body. Mohgs body pretty much morphed into an almost perfect replica of Radahn, so I don't see why it wouldn't work with Mermaid-Godwyn.
Heck, even if it doesn't work, you could twist that into a terrible ending for Miquella getting swallowed up by his creation ala Aldritch/Gwyndolin.

>>715796245
The same people that angrily clamor against how they "ruined" Miquella and Radahn with the DLC are the same ones that wish the DLC had gone literally against the one known fact about Godwyn and also the catalyst for most of Miquella's nutty behaviour, which was his ultradeath of not coming backness. It's very odd.

>>715796409
What kind of retarded train of logic would Miquella be using there, anon?
"Imma put you into the cancer destroying the world now. You know, so you... uhhhhhhhhhhhhh-"

>>715796245
Just make someone hijack his soulless husk of a body. Godwynfags will eat whatever crumbs they get.

>>715796245
As if the Hornsent god ascension gate was any less of an asspull?

>>715796760
Yes?
The gate doesn't contradict anything and uses already existing information to make something new.
Your asspull is grabbing one of the few things the game tells you exactly the way it is supposed to work and going,
>nevermind lol

One is vastly worse than the other.

>>715796509
The idea would be that - with the proper guidance of a powerful soul - the body could fix itself. Miquella would hope to kill two birds with one stone by getting his consort and saving the world.
Naturally, Miquellas curse of never finishing anything would fuck it all up.

>>715796245
Miquella's hubris in wanting to save everyone and reach a perfect ending resulting in disaster would have not only been thematically consistent with Souls/ER, but Miquella's character and foreshadowing in the base game

>>715796890
The game makes it a point that Godwyn cannot be saved or resurrected by any conventional means, so introducing something divine and unique in the DLC (like a god gate) creates an avenue for Miquella to hatch his master plan and do what he couldn't before. It's a fucking video game and they clearly write it as they go, this is not rocket science. If it had happened that way you would be defending it right now

>>715797091
No, the game makes a point that his soul was fucking destroyed into oblivion by the one tool in the world that can make it so that a god ceases to exist in every level of existence.
Any asspull circumventing that
>because it's a fucking game lol
is retarded and if you need to angle anything in your creative process with that train of thought, you are already fucked.

>>715796984
Eh, it feels like something he already would known would not fly considering how many times he has failed to get anything done with it.
Now going from that similarly aneurysm-fueled train of thought but angling it with the "if Godwyn becomes the world and everyone becomes undead, then TECHNICALLY I created world peace!" spice of stupidity backfiring, that could have been an alright middle point.
Or I should say, no less undercooked than bringing Radahn again to redo the Twin Princes fight because reasons.

>>715797310
Do we really know that Godwyns soul is completely destroyed? Radahns soul could be grabbed back from the afterlife or whatever and this whole separate "deleted from existence" thing with Godwyns soul might just be derived from the english localization.

>>715797549
I'm not trying to write a shakespearian magnum opus here, but ANYTHING is less undercooked than "lmao prime Radahn flesh golem."

>>715795330
Based. I like to roleplay as an oblivious strong dude too.

>>715797621
Nigga it's the cornerstore of the lore and the reason why Miquella turns half the world upside down trying to find a fix for it (and fails, and gives up), it's why all the gods become pissy as shit and why the shattering takes place.
Yes, it's outright stated and slapped upon you time and again in the game. It's why it's a big deal to begin with.

>>715795998
>Godwyn's curse is being the perfect heir doomed to disease the land. He's Baldr.
How does being doomed to disease the land describe Baldr in any way whatsoever

>>715797718
I don't strictly disagree. I am not saying in any level or aspect that prime Radahn was a good choice.
Even a "somehow, Malenia came back" moment would have been more fitting for the characterization of Miquella.
I just think they realized the way the whole Godwyn thing was written was very much a dead end they could not get out of, and rightfully so.
Sadly the detour was not better.

>>715797887
I guess he means it in the way of his death being the catalyst of Ragnarok. But that's a stretch, considering his resurrection as the One God (and that of Hoenir's as his right hand man) is also the prophecysed result of the Asgardian New Genesis.

Godwynfags and Miqpedos need to hurry it up and die of AIDS, or whatever other homopox they share.

>>715798092
Cease your mating calls.

>>715797824
>(and fails, and gives up)
This is what we would call a "loose plot thread" in any other game or story. The finale to the DLC being the last two demigods that were "missing" from the basegame reaching some sort of closure would be very appropriate and satisfying, instead of the wet fart we got.
Also, this is a video game based on fighting shit, and Miquella, Godwyn, and Ranni (and I guess Melina, technically) are the only ones we don't get to fight.

>>715795330
>I just kill shit
Killing shit to grow stronger until there's nothing left to kill is the story

>>715798161
You already go into his body and find there is nothing in there but echoes and corrupted shadows of those that were loyal to him, Godwyn's whole situation has an entire ending branch for him and therefore can't be tackled by the DLC.
What does the ending where you give the world to Godwyn's body with the rune of the dead become if you fight and randomly kill his body?

I turned myself into a ball my darling pupil!

>>715798326
You don't "give the world to Godwyn's body" with that ending, mending runes are just inserted into the Elden Ring and they rewrite the laws of reality in the Lands Between accordingly. Literally all of the people who give you mending runes die afterwards, does that mean their endings don't work?

>>715789527 (OP)
I don't know; why did Loki kill Balder?

Still wild that people simp for Ranni because "doll pussy" She is woman moment the character
>NOOOO I DON'T WANT TO BE AN EMPYREAN
>BETTER STEAL A GOD KILLING WEAPON AND STAB IT UP GODWYN'S ASS, THE GUY WHO LITERALLY EVERYONE FUCKING LOVES, INCLUDING DRAGONS, FOR NO REASON
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MARRY ME TARNISHED
Disregard silver moon whores, embrace the purity of gold.
.t Goldmask ascetic

She's not even best girl, not even top five.

>>715798092
Oh, and goldmaskhomos need to follow after him and fall off a cliff.

>>715799003
The issue is that other endings lack their own dedicated wafus
If you could marry Roderika or if there was a dedicated Golden Order lawfag girl supporting the Goldmask ending, i bet Ranni would be at the bottom of popularity lists

>>715799003
You didn't need to include the goldmask part. We could tell you're an autistic retard from the rest of your post.

>>715789527 (OP)
He's dead he doesn't feel anything.
It's literally just a mass of cancer

>>715795998
the shattering happened "long long ago" in Nightreign.

not to mention, Wylder, Duchess, Bird man, and Revenant are absolutely not from Elden Ring's world.

Iron Eyes and Executor are for sure, and Raider I can't remember.

>>715796984
yea, MIquella's curse is of Nascency, and everything they seemingly set out to do, never ends or goes anywhere.

it even applies to their body, they never grow up.

>>715797091
if Godwyn could be revived by Godly power, Marika would have done it.

she couldn't, and she's stronger than anyone or anything we come across.

it seems there are Limits to the Elden Ring and the God attached to it, a Soul destroyed leaves nothing to "bring back", you can't stitch an absence of something back into it.

>>715796245
This, ultimately bringing Godwyn back to life somehow would be a cop out and undermine the finality of his death.

>>715801332
>their

>>715797621
yes absolutely, Ranni's entire point of killing him the way she did was so she could kill her body but not her Soul.

the ritual required someone else to die in the same way but opposite results, Godwyn was the lucky loser.

it helped her plan that he was also the most obvious Heir Apparant of the bunch and would have probably done a better job at keeping things going than Marika herself, who was, to put it frankly, always insane, she terrifed everyone she interacted with in ways that chilled them to the bone for centuries.

>>715789527 (OP)
what do you mean?
she got exactly what she wanted, she wasn't along for the ride, she was driving the car

>>715789527 (OP)
He was marikas favorite and ranni fucking hates marika

>>715795998
>this picture doesn't make sense
Pay him no mind, he's a known schizo

>>715798907
because everyone wanted him to NOT die, and the funniest thing possible was to kill him in the most ironic way possible.

Was the Gloam Eyed Queen even real? Was it Melina?

>>715801489
"his" w/e, they is a way to "describe" someone in sentences.

I'm not implying gender neutral gay fag shit, anon, you are, to put it frankly, been exposed to it so much you are allergic.

>>715789527 (OP)
>the worst fate
What makes you say that? His soul is super fucking dead it's just his soulless corpse that's spreading across the land spewing out death like a cancer. There's no sapience there.

>>715795330
same, sure you get an outline of events, but you don't get the full picture in any of the games and I think it's deliberate
I pity lore autists that struggle with an incomplete puzzle

>>715801620
yea it was Melina, she was either a daughter of Marika who rose up to try and Usurp her before her Reign was fully at its peak, or another God entirely who found their own way to acheive power (they seemingly had the Rune of Death first)

it hardly matters, Maliketh and Marika defeated her, burned her stripped her soul from her body, and stripped her memories from her soul, and basically claimed her as a spirit daughter.

likely because she still posessed the way to burn the Erdtree, and Marika wanted that to be a potential option for the future, since even at the start of her crusade, Marika was already planning some pretty hinky shit to destroy it.

I always took Marika as someone who secretly wanted to destroy everything after living out her life ruling it, from the very start, simply for revenge for the circumstances of her youth and her people being slaughtered.

in this way her erratic behavior makes sense, she never intended to keep things going even if it went swell, she's to put it simply, maliciously insane.

>>715801684
yea its not so bad for him, but I suppose you could say its a pretty shitty post-humous fate for someone who wanted to keep things together and spread good will.

now he's just a cancer causing conflict between a faction he unknowingly created, and his previous Religious Pantheon.

>>715801956
I mean, it's "he" only in the sense that it's his corpse doing it. His soul is completely destroyed, his body has no conscious feelings.

>>715801397
Marika's actual "strength" is never really put to the test, if anything she actually seems weaker than the player character, considering she seemed afraid of Maliketh and we beat his ass plus both of her consorts/Radagon (who was her "warrior side")
Aside from that, Miquella seemingly possesses powers that even Marika doesn't, and doesn't appear to be tied by the same rules (Miquella isn't controlled by the Fingers and doesn't have a dog, for instance)
Food for thought at least, they could've made it work

>>715802491
Marika with the Elden Ring , is a God.

they are beyond strength, she's the realest of Gods in the setting, she didn't fuse with Radagon because he was some grand warrior (he wasn't even a better warrior than Godfrey/Haurah) she did it to make the Rebis, it was, simply an important step to complete the Grand Work and solidify her use of the Elden Ring's power.

Marika didn't have to swing swords, her coming to see you was considered the most terrifying moment of your existence, the Fire Giants, Hewg, and others, speak of her without any ability to enunciate how horrifying she really was.

she's the incomprehensible terror of an Outer God, filled into the vessel of an insane, malicious women, she is also Power and presence personified.

>>715798074
The thurs women descending the mountain in Jotunnheim catalyzed ragnarok. Baldr getting killed is just a shitty thing Hothr, Loki, or both Hothr and Loki simultaneously did

Godwyn is just another narrative tool the same way Rhaegar is: an overall loved and cherised man with power to solve difficult situation, but killed before he could really do something about it. This "what could have been" is open to interpretation, and helps players immerse themselves into the world. Him coming back would work against the overall lore and its intentions.

>>715803598
depends on the telling, some tellings say Baldr's death will cause it so they set out to make it impossible for anything to kill Baldr and then ect ect.

>>715792587
t. Faggot sorcerer

>>715795330
This is based and pisses off lorefags.

>>715803782
ironically I bet GRRM is why Godwyn feels like him to begin with.

>>715789527 (OP)
He was in the way of her first world problems and that's akin to sin to any privileged woman, after all she thought she could do better despite being a beautiful, young and powerful demigod living a life better than literally 99.9% the people on her world

>gets away with everything because men are stupid
What did Miyazaki mean by this?

>>715803981
Why would the presence of consoomers that will blindly fund the game without understanding what they are doing piss off anyone?
Cattle is needed to fund the next ER. Would be worse if you had enough knowledge to form opinions.

>>715789527 (OP)
>life after one ( 1 ) divorce

>>715804139
He meant what everyone with half a brain knows: women will get away with literally everything by merely being attractive and alluring, which is more to say about how retarded most men are than anything, especially in the simp & e-thot age

Godwyn should have been in the DLC as a secret boss at the very least.

I say fuck this gay-ass world

>>715804347
well its simple, men, mostly live their entire lives free from anyone giving a fuck about them once they hit adulthood.

anyone even being just a little coy and interested or open to a man, especially an alluring women, fills the hungry void.

it isn't "retarded" its simply women knowing they can get what they want by drip feeding the thing men lack and desire, which is love and to have people interested or care about them.

>>715804494
this is probably, unironically, the ending Marika desires the most, simply because it ends in the most brutal total fashion.

>>715795330
imagine being proud of being retarded.

>>715795330
Because there is nothing going on them, just a boss arena marathon

>>715804532
so true!

>Captcha: Y2KKK

>>715789527 (OP)
>Godwyn the Golden
He's chief of the Golden Lineage, son of Godfrey and Marika and probably father of many lesser demigods.

The Golden Order was created by unbinding Destined Death. It's reasonable to assume that Destined Death was always meant for him. But he was meant to die a "true death." This is what Ranni stole from him when she cast away her body; she ensured he lost his soul. All that remained was his divine corpse.

Now, Miquella prayed for Radahn to die a "true death" as well. This implies that the "true death" is a necessity for a demigod to become a God like Marika and return through the Divine Gate. That Finger Maiden watching over the Godwyn basically says he should've died a true death and become the next God of the Golden Order, and not been cursed to Live in Death.

Ranni had to do what she did in order to remove the Empyrean most likely to become the next God and repulse the influence of the Greater Will.

Imagine if you can a "fandom" so mentally ill that when even bioware fans were rabid at the absolute dogshit endings for mass effect 3 a decade ago, this same "fandom" praises this trash as some deep game with a rich lore

>>715795330
I understand for Dark Souls 2 and 3 and Elden Ring but how do you not understand Dark Souls 1? There are multiple mandatory characters in the game who literally explain the entire plotline of the game to you and the intro movie explains the greater context.

All the item description lore shit in that game is completely incidental to the plot and serves only as world building

I know this is Elden Rang thread but I've recently been warming up to Gwyn a lot. He is wrong but selfless and really does want the best for the world.

>>715801679
They is a PLURAL description. Using it for a singular is invariably and exclusively homotroon bullshit.

>>715802804
We beat the shit out of Radagon who had most of the Elden Ring and then we beat the shit out of the physical embodiment of the Ring itself

>>715805093
Except Elden Ring never once billed itself as an RPG where your choices matter, and it wasn't the conclusion to a long series that was entirely billed as a series of RPGs where your choices mattered, you disingenuous faggot

Ironically, your choices matter MORE in Elden Ring than ME3 because in order to get any of the alternate different colored endings, you have to go out of your way to complete questlines, whereas ME3's endings were completely unaffected by your choices and were just a binary choice at the end

>>715795330
Funniest thing is you don't really know much less than most, 99% of the lore is made up.

>>715804532
Sure, humans are inherently built to put attractive people on a pedestal.
But you should have enough wisdom and self awareness to simply realize how stupid that is and instead work on solving the issue in other actually productive ways like going out and finding a woman or other people who will care for you in real life
I'd expect a retarded literal insect to fly directly into a venus flytrap and get eaten, if you do the same as a grownass man you are literally braindead

>b-but women are le bad and only care for Chad!!!
stop being terminally online and falling into ragebait schizo grifters' webs
and stop having retarded standards and thinking real life is some anime where you as some average or below average guy should have a harem of 10/10s constantly fawning over you

>b-but I just want someone to love me
And that's never going to happen unless you go outside and put yourself out there and chances are there WILL be disappointments and heartbreaks and rejections, that's literally part of real life, simple as

>>715805093
other souls games also had like two endings each, they are not "choose your own adventure" rpgs. Then again I too don't understand lorefags

>>715805003
Miquella didn't wish true death for Radahn.
Godwyn was not an Empyrean.

>>715805337
>your choices matter MORE in Elden Ring than ME3
NIGGER THE ENDINGS ARE JUST FUCKING COLORS, THE ENTIRE "LORE" IS JUST HEADCANNON FROM YOUTUBER FAGGOTS

>>715804532
Sounds pretty retarded to me.
>apparently know this
>fall for it because your dick guides your choices
>self-suficiency or friendship with others does not suffice, you MUST bend over for the manipulative whore
That is the description of retardation.

>>715805307
because you collected the Shards of it, you are essentially a Demi-God yourself by the time you show up to Radagon.

you aren't just "some guy" anymore, Radagon's shitty state, and your far empowered state, put you on even ground.

I just did flame ending because it was funny.

>>715805436
buddy I was just explaining how men fall for that shit, I'm married, you are projecting some weird shit on me.

>>715805727
How does that change what I said, spergo? Your choices through the game have more of an effect on the color you get than in ME3 - and the game has two completely unique endings in addition to the generics, giving it three total unique endings, the same as ME3.

Except what you do during the game influences your ending. Which makes it have more choice influence than ME3.

>>715790062
ER unironically feels this way and I am glad I am not the only one who sensed it.
I can't put my finger on it, but it just feels off and deeply malevolent somehow. Some really subtle sense of unease never left me while I played it. Dropped it after the flaming giant boss too, although for a completely different reason -- I got fucking bored to tears.
None of the soulsborne games felt this way, not even fucking Bloodborne.

>>715806246
its literally a horror game retard, it isn't "Satanic"

I mean it is a weird allegory for Roman Catholicism, and the game says that God abandoned them long ago for unknown reasons.

but it isn't imposing this on reality with some sort of criticism of anything real.

>>715805127
i understood dark souls 1 pretty well, found dark souls 2 a bit all over the place when it comes to all the little side plots but still coherent and understandable at its key points, same for the DLCs
but then in 3 i outright have no fucking idea of what is going on for half of it

>>715806246
What brand of retardation is this? Neo-tryhard acolyte 3000?

>>715806416
>>715806556
I just said how it felt. My bad, I guess I should've known it would send some fedora tipping aspie redditors into autistic rage fit.

>>715806519
How difficult is it? People have been dragging on the age of fire to its last crumbs, now you have to offer sacrifices of lords to even manage to push it forward a little. They refuse to get burnt and kill everyone that tries to drag them to their duty so you are the last ditch effort for that.
That's it.

>>715806519
are you a fucking retard?

3 is just reiterating 1, on purpose, round and round it goes people trying to keep the Flame alive so things can continue because everyone is terrified of The Dark and whats to potentially come.

that's it, every character in the plot is either for or against the First Flame continuing, except the DLC characters of the Paintress and Gael who are trying to make a new world free from the cycles and suffering

it isn't some sort of deep philosphy or w/e, its just man, raging against the dying of the light.

>>715806246
Yeah man I installed elden ring and when I saw the EULA said to renounce god and embrace the dark powers I was a little worried. Then I started playing the game and my crucifixes started weeping blood which gave me the ick 2bqwu my family (senpai for short) so I used my holy uninstall wizard tool and performed a holy ritual on my PC to cleanse it of his filth.

>>715805937
same, in story-heavy games I'm usually a good boy but it's impossible to take the story in souls games seriously so I just fucked shit up. The plot is as important to me as in a porno

>>715806620
then describe how its "Satanic", and not use "feelings"

for one, you don't even know who Satan is, Lucifer and Sataneal are entirely seperate angels in the Bible and the Jew version, but you don't really know anything about the religion you adhere to, so what does it matter, eh?

>>715805937
Same. Coolest ending.

How can you fix the over reliance on item descriptions for lore building in these games? I think a good start would be have some kind of curator/archeologist NPC that actually identifies the items for the player. It's kind of a bad oversight as of now how either (a) the player just happens to know the history of every item or (b) it's just some 3rd person omniscient narrator that never gets explained which is no different from lore dumps.

>>715805093
Mass Effect
>trilogy of extremely story focused games all with direct continuity building towards an ultimate ending
>tagline for the series is that choices matter and everything you do will build towards how the story resolves itself
>voiced MC with clear identity and role in the plot
Elden Ring
>Single game with self contained story
>lore is largely tacked on and hidden away
>silent mc that is one of thousands of other tarnished
>ending is just that, an ending
Yeah great comparison.

>>715789938
I'm not sure Ranni even actually chose Godwyn, she just gave it to the Black Knives because they could facilitate the simultaneous murder of a demigod alongside her own suicide at the top of her Divine Tower

>>715789595
nightreign is not canon

>>715806805
Yeah normally in story focused games I prefer collecting my good boy points but in Souls games the amount of friendly NPCs can be counted on like a hand and a half usually. lmao just burn it all down and give me a cool fire head.

>>715805937
It;s also the best one, fuck this stupid tree.

>>715789938
>>715806940
I responded to the wrong post and instead responded to somebody that said basically the same thing as me. Pls forgiv

>>715806903
this game most of all doesn't rely on it, there are plenty of NPC's that tell you shit you could also find in item descriptors

>>715806838
I don't adhere to anything, lmao, stop being mad. I literally said that it's simply a vague feeling of unease that even Bloodborne, literally a horror inspired game, didn't evoke.
Stop fucking malding, bitch.
>>715806774
You too. It's insane how you fail to see that you're the ones being retarded here by overreacting to such harmless statement. Literal fucking indian shills.

>>715801884
>it hardly matters, Maliketh and Marika defeated her, burned her stripped her soul from her body, and stripped her memories from her soul, and basically claimed her as a spirit daughter.
she's Marika's daughter because she's also messmer's brother

>>715807067
>You too. It's insane how you fail to see that you're the ones being retarded here by overreacting to such harmless statement. Literal fucking indian shills.
I'm just saying the blood coming from my crucifixes gave me the ick dawg it's not that serious.Would you not get the ick if shit started crying blood?

>>715807034
>just pretend it isn't a bad
Okay thanks for the non input

>>715807067
>Stop fucking malding, bitch.

I still believe in Spellbound, and I think that them stating it's fake is a damage control attempt

>>715807067
>Vague feeling

kill yourself, also being a half-assed Christian is doubly a Sin, especially since you have the gal to quit things because they "feel" demonic, but don't have any grasp on Christianity.

>>715806718
sure i got that obvious surface level part but its more about everything that is actually specific
>>715806746
I get everything that is a DS1 retread, but everything that just has retarded meme hyper specific lore is just stupid

Ringed City is such a retarded asspull for instance. What the fuck are they ACTUALLY doing in the cathedral of the deep and what the fuck differs "the deep" from the abyss. Why is the kiln now completely disconnected from firelink, stuck in the distant future and accessible solely via teleportation right in the middle of the dreg heap. How did they manage to get a dark version of the future and put it behind an illusory wall. This games a fucking mess

>>715807383
>dark version
dark outcome*

>>715807276
Absolute retard who didn't even bother to finish reading the post he's replying to. Astonishing. I literally said I quit it out of sheer boredom. Learn to read and process information or ask grok to feed it to you in hindu or whatever.
I didn't even mention being a christian. Sweet Jesus, the average poster IQ on this site is fucking plummeting.

>>715790748
>so the Dark Moon can replace it with its own order
cant believe we're still on the dark moon shit, this is like 'jojo part 6 is the reason why part 7 is in an AU' level speedreading

>>715807558
>jojo part 6 is the reason why part 7 is in an AU
its true tho

>>715806903
It was completely fine in Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls. There are plenty of item descriptions that expand on the lore, but the story itself is straightforward and relayed in a normal way through a character talking to you or things happening. Sekiro is like this as well.

It's only everything else after DS1 that went full retard.

>>715789527 (OP)
>>715789756
Godwyn was the literal Golden Child of Marika.
>Not Omen'd by the Hornsent curse
>Not cursed by the Fell God to be a matchstick
>Not being influenced by an Outer God
Godwyn was very clearly Marika's favorite and it was in part because he was the shoo-in to take over as her heir. He was also the clear strongest of the Demigods and would have brought the hammer down on Ranni for he shittery if he survived the night.
So it was partially spite due to Ranni hating Marika, partially tactical to remove a future threat.

Story is still retarded no matter how you put it. The logic of
>Great runes shape who you are
>Decay for malenia
>Abundance for Miquella
Made SO MUCH more sense.
Malenia is infected with a sealed god of rot.... Because? How? Why? It's sealed.
And then fucking Miquella. He is young ............ because? There is no explanation. The whole character and environment was made with that in mind. Why they HAD to include all these outer gods makes no sense.

>>715807728
>Capeshitter can't into story
comical

>>715807383
I can answer all of that.

The Deep is just what Aldrich's cultists call the Abyss, he viewed the Abyss as a deep dark ocean, its just phrasing from a dreaming blob man.

the Kiln is right outside Firelink... in the future, time has also been worn down by the entropy of the setting, the fucking SUN is leaking for gods sakes.

the Dark Version of the future was nixed from the future by the little legless fuck setting in Firelink, he basically completely nixed that potential future for happening but it still lingers, because time is quite literally shattering under the weight of entropy, think Blackhole, but a whirlpool instead of a singlepoint, everything is churning together, quite literally in geography, as the world is becoming just a big pile of buildings, and then ground to dust and ash by the Ringed City time.

>>715795330
I got DS but I didn't get ER. I still don't know what the elden ring is.

>>715789527 (OP)
That's not Godwyn, retard
That's a piece of his face that was planted there

>>715807728
>Malenia is infected with a sealed god of rot.... Because? How? Why? It's sealed.
>And then fucking Miquella. He is young ............ because? There is no explanation.
The explanation is that they're degenerated incest/selfcest babies that were produced at the behest of the Fingers to make more Empyreans to hild divine power. Malenia managed it then immediately got grabbed by the Rot God.

>>715789527 (OP)
No one thought that he'd be unable to die when he was killed.

>>715807617
they never imply Ranni hates Marika, she just hates her fate being controlled.

she seems quite sad at her being nothing but a dusty broken statue in the end, Ranni fully knows that Marika and Radagon are two sides of the same coin, so in some small way, is also her Father.

>>715807812
>The Deep is just what Aldrich's cultists call the Abyss
upon further inspection "the deep" is a different form of the abyss related to human dregs in stagnation

>>715795330
same
only interesting FS game lore-wise is Bloodborne, rest is Emperor's New Clothes of storytelling, Miyazaki literally said that he was inspired by reading books in english while he barely understood them and made shit up on the spot and Fromdrones eat it up like a good gaijins

>>715807812
>The Deep is just what Aldrich's cultists call the Abyss, he viewed the Abyss as a deep dark ocean, its just phrasing from a dreaming blob man.
Already wrong
The Deep is a wellspring upon wich the Cathedral was founded

>>715807912
Ranni's entire shtick is that she hates the current establishment and wants to overthrow it to try and appease the Moon.
Marika is the current establishment.

>>715807959
either way its just their take on it, even if it is physically different.

as told to us by Aldia, there is no fate beyond the Dark and the Flame, you just get to decide your version of either, only Gael and the Paintress find another way, which is hilarious that someone so insignificant and some random spawn of the Dragon princess figured out a way when likely hundreds of thousands of way more powerful men, Kings and Demi-gods couldn't.

>>715806519
>but then in 3 i outright have no fucking idea of what is going on for half of it
Because you are retarded
>>715806746
>3 is just reiterating 1
It isn't
>>715807383
>Ringed City is such a retarded asspull for instance. What the fuck are they ACTUALLY doing in the cathedral of the deep and what the fuck differs "the deep" from the abyss.
The Cathedral of the Deep is just the Cathedral of the Deep. They were fighting the curse in the Undead Village by using the Sacred Flame
>>715807812
>The Deep is just what Aldrich's cultists call the Abyss
No it's not, quit being a retard. The Deep is a wellspring, there's the pre corruption Deep spells that show the water that would baptize the faithful before it was corrupted by the maneating faction, back when Rosaria was the head of the Church and her statues weren't veiled

>>715808101
I mean she clearly FUCKIN isn't, as she shattered the Elden Ring and Ranni is one of the few people who knows this explicitly.

Radagon, her daddy, IS the embodiment of the GO, more so than Marika, its creator, as Marika never believed in it, and likely planned to destroy it before she ever even made it, because she's insane.

ds3 fanboys are on another level i swear

>>715808158
>only Gael and the Paintress find another way,
They don't, not really. They just find a pocket dimension to hide away in until the cycles influences them as well. The first DLC is specifically subjecting the current painting to the cycle

>>715808338
the Dark Souls will allow the new painting to be special and different.

hence the sheer gravity of the epitomous Dark Soul showing up as an actual plot item only at the final hour.

>>715806953
Nightreign is post ErdTree burning so you're wrong. Go be gay elsewhere.

>>715808101
>Ranni's entire shtick is that she hates the current establishment and wants to overthrow it to try and appease the Moon.
There's no "Moon". The Moons are 3 and are made of the fates of the inhabitants of the Eternal Cities, created through sacrifices. They are identical to the Great Rune created by the cutting gifted tribes, the inhabitants of the Eternal Vities tested merging sorcerers and creating Silver Tear Balls until they could create the Moons, using maidens as body vessels. The Shamans do the same to create Trees

>>715808283
Marika destroyed the Ring to begin the Great Reset on the Fingers. She realized the Fingers were liars who had been stringing her along with malfunctioning orders, and she began plotting how to overturn them since they were going to fuck up her own ideals for a happy world.
The Shattering then triggered the return of the Tarnished, Marika's personal foreign military that Godfrey had been sent away to create.
Tarnished arrive, start wiping out the traitors and usurpers, then re-install Marika with rhe restored Ring with the Fingers deposed.

>>715807881
There's probably just something wrong with Marika on a reproductive level too since Godfrey's marriage resulted in Omens as their most prominent children and the line degenerated to the point of Godrick being even lower than Tarnished on the scale of strength/divinity, Godwyn was the only normal one and it's not known what he would have done or ended up as or even if he was complicit in his own murder since he was already consorting with dragons (only tolerated because the rocks in the area and dragons' lightning were colored gold, apparently)

>>715806746
>3 is just reiterating 1, on purpose
No it's not.
>>715808683
That's completely wrong though. Marika shattered the Ring to reform it and become a Goddess, which she actually wasn't as the DLC reveals. You have to die and be reborn with a Lord. All the Erdtree parasite and Fingers theories were always retarded and were buried 6 feet under

>>715789595
lorefags are so retarded lol

>>715808805
>There's probably just something wrong with Marika on a reproductive level too since Godfrey's marriage resulted in Omens as their most prominent children
She was literally being cursed by several Gods because the Greater Will wasn't actually there to cover for her.

>>715808683
I don't think Marika cares if she was restored and re-installed.

all she cares about is that conflict continues, unending, its always been her goal, she created the worlds biggest Religious army so that she could shatter it and bring a bunch of dead men back to cause chaos and violence, and most importantly, conflict unending.

Gideon saw this, understood this, but the enormity of it was so big it mindfucked him, he tries to convey it to you, but knows its pointless, he knows explicitly that this plan was set in motion before the GO ever even existed, and he can't do anything but fight you, he's out maneuvered completely and he just gives in.

>>715789595
bro thats literally just his helmet design from the front

>>715808805
she was cursed for fucking over the Hornsent, and likely is just cursed in general for being completely insane and full of malice for the world its people.

no one, and I mean fuckin no one speaks about Marika with love in this entire game, they fear her, the respect her, they worship her as a God.

but no one loves this bitch, she's terrifying to everyone.

>>715801620
>>715801884
One interesting thing about the GEQ and Melina is that they have this odd tangential link to the Crucible that doesn't really get elaborated on, from the Godskin Noble set -
>Robe made by sewing together patches of smooth skin. Subcutaneous fat makes it plump and soft. Worn by Godskin Nobles, known for their seven-face aprons.
>Strengthens the Noble Presence incantation.
>Nobles are the most ancient apostles who are said to have assimilated inhuman physiology. Not unlike the crucible, the Erdtree in its primordial form.
Whether there was an intention, or just accidental reinvention, the Godskins covering themselves in the bodies of many people and/or demigods basically spontaneously recreates or summons the Crucible in their bodies. Which is why they get tails or can stretch themselves like snakes.
Given the Erdtree is said to be an evolution of the Crucible, even if Marika resents things associated with the Crucible, this makes for a unique dynamic between the Gods and the Godkillers.

This is an interesting link to Hornsent, that must have been doing the same, probably intentionally, with their meat jars. They were doing the above knowingly, most likely.
Also it might link to the Dung Eater, who is able to create a horned Great Rune, and is associated with the Omen, by defiling and consuming the flesh and souls of at least hundreds of people, despite him having no indications of religious belief or knowledge. The Dung Eater doesn't demonstrate any knowledge of the Crucible, but he can summon something associated by it, by simply becoming a vessel for many lives and souls.
It seems like a commonality in the setting that is pretty background but seems important.

>>715808467
Cuckreign is a non-canon what-if scenario, even Miyazaki said so, you coping faggot.

>>715809081
the Crucible is Evolution itself, and the most important part of Evolution, is death.

Melina represents, and endorses, nature death as part of life, and how things need to die so new things can be made, the GO is stagnation embodied.

>>715806746
3 shows the logical social and political evolutions of the world from 1. The King of Lothric is represented as Constantine the Great because it signifies how Anor Londo fell out of relevancy and the Klin, upon which Lothric was built, is now the center of the world.

The Cathedral of the Deep is a church of the Way of the White which hunts down Undead and cleanses them from the curse, fighting off the growing roots of Darkness, until they started eating the undead and becoming corrupt, and Rosaria, the Goddess, ended up being raped by Aldrich and caged

The Lothric Kingdom, which was founded on Undead Burg, carries the tradition of the Nameless King and worships him and his Mausoleum. It also created a Dragon Hunter/Rider tradition and the Cult of Dragon seen as harald of flame, subject of study and symbol of undying strength by each of the pillars.
The cult of the Gods was replaced entirely by the cult of Fire, with the religious head being priestesses of the Firelink Shrine.

>>715809202
and? ER has multiple conflicting endings already anyways, a What-If is still semi-canon to the setting as us blowing up the fucking world. or showering it in Dung Curse.

>>715807959
Upon further ispection you are retarded.
The Deep is baptism water

>>715809343
>The game has optional endings that you can chose which and they don't fit into a single scenario, therefore Nightreign is canon

>>715808828
Marika is an actual Goddess.
Her betraying the Hornsent doesn't change that the Gate of Divinity does what it says. It turns a god-candidate into a God.

>>715809337
I get the geography of the setting and the politics.

but its fucking wild those giant buttress Walls all crumbled to literal nothing.

those would be, in our world, the greatest structural achievement of our species, with Anor Londo being the cherry on top, a literal man made Mount Olympus Castle Nation.

all gone by DS3, that structure, especially the buttress Walls just gone..

>>715809081
>One interesting thing about the GEQ and Melina is that they have this odd tangential link to the Crucible
What the fuck are you talking about? How is Melina related to the Crucible or the Godskins in any way? This picture has the Gloam Eyed Queen btw

>>715808805
Godfrey had Omen children because he's closely connected to the Crucible - he led the Crucible Knights and is basically a Runebear shoved into human skin.
Morgott and Mohg being Crucible-touched, as that is what Omen are, makes a ton of sense, and is basically the expected outcome of Godfrey having children.

>>715789756
>>715789527 (OP)
>>715807617
I don't think it HAD to be Godwyn, but Godwyn was a target of the Black Knives so it was a convenient deal.

The game never suggests Ranni had anything to do with the politics of the Black Knives, just providing them with the weapons to do the deed.

This fits conveniently with why they try killing Ranni in the end, because Godwyn didn't actually die and was fucking the world up. If I was a Black Knife I would be pretty pissed about that, they clearly aren't ecstatic about glitched death cancer.

MELTABARTOOOOOOOOOO

>>715808979
>for being completely insane and full of malice for the world its people
She loves the world and wants to remove death and suffering for it. She specifically comes from a village of healers, and many of the Erdtree-related Incantations are related to healing, SPECIFICALLY those found in places related to Marika (Her bedchamber and Shaman Village)
She was pushed to declare war on other places by the Fingers.

>>715807812
>>715808056
>>715808257
The Deep is a phenomenon where rotting humanity "dregs" caused by a prolonged, dying world sink to the bottom of the world and weigh it down.
This is likely what is causing the Dreg heaps at the end of time, as evident by the Murkmen. It's a black abyssal water filled with bugs and rotting humanity.

The Ringed City is actually outside of the dreg heap btw, the way you travel to it cuts through the incline. This makes sense because they keep saying the ringed city is on the "edge of the world" and thus would be the furthest thing from the middle of it, where the kiln resides.

Just something I noticed in my last run of the game.

>>715809807
buddy, you missed something here, Marika was a force of pure malice once she became a God, and likely was before that.

w/e changed her from her happy days at the village did so hard, everyone is terrified of meeting or talking with her, we are told explicitly by Gideon she wants nothing more than endless conflict and has zero morally good desires for anyone.

Marika became a God by making a mountain of Hornsent into corpses, then she cast their entire area into the fucking Shadow Realm and sent her best killer child to kill anyone who wasn't Gold Touched.

she's as blatantly malicious as they come.

>>715809672
You'd have to be making things way more complicated for yourself to not just accept that Melina is the GEQ.
She is a daughter of a Goddess and plausibly is/was an Empyrean. She has a gloam colored eye that is sealed with a beast claw sigil. She is associated with death and the end of cycles in the plot and dialog.
For her not to be the GEQ requires you to come up with a lot of excuses for why the above is irrelevant as evidence.

>>715810074
weird shit goes on in that DLC.

Firelink Shrine at the start of DS3 is geographically the same place as DS1.

but in the DLC you waltz from it.. to fight the Demon Princes at.. DS1's Firelink Shrine.?

>>715810096
>Marika was a force of pure malice once she became a God, and likely was before that.
You would be too if they were shoving you and your family into meat jars.

>>715809574
>Marika is an actual Goddess.
No she's not, you would know if you played the DLC. The whole point is that Marika is not a Goddess
>Her betraying the Hornsent doesn't change that the Gate of Divinity does what it says. It turns a god-candidate into a God.
It does so if the Goddess and Lord die and are reborn, which is the whole point of the ending and Marika and Radagon common plan.
>>715809636
They are not gone. They are in game. Anor Londo didn't fall overnight, it fell out of relevancy until it was weak enough for the Cathedral of the Deep to conquer it, and Miyazaki is literally using Imagery of the Roman Empire to signify that Anor Londo represents the Western Roman Empire and Lothric the Eastern Roman Empire, including the first King of Lothric being represented as a winged man holding a flaming scepter and his symbol being a great bird soaring in the skies

>>715810096
Marika wants endless conflict until someone is strong enough to kill the Elden Beast.
The entire Shattering War is one giant bloodbath until you have one victor that is the strongest warrior in history still standing that can go claim the Lordship and fight the Elden Beast in doing so. That ends up being the player.

Wait, that was Ranni all along? Thought it was originally supposed to be Godwyn or whatever, but I haven't kept up with the lore since the original release of the game.

>>715794973
Gay incest brothers took precedence.

>>715810213
Really? Firelink in DaS 3 looks like a part of Lothric's high wall, but separated from it, like an island platue.

It clearly isn't the exact same because the dregheap shows it's a separate location.

>>715810225
that's fine, but don't call her benevelont.

she really took the Jarring personally, set up a Roman Catholoic Expy religion, for thousands of years, cut the Hornsent and their nation off the map, literally, and then made a very complication Xanatos-style plan to ruin everyone's lives and cause war unending once her load bearing religion was destroyed suddenly, and without warning, by herself!

(Marika "CURSE My Sudden but inevitable betrayle, Me!"
Also Marika "Haha, mine is an EVIL laugh")

>>715810074
>The Deep is a phenomenon where rotting humanity "dregs" caused by a prolonged, dying world sink to the bottom of the world and weigh it down.
No, the Deep is a wellspring. It says so in game
>>715810152
>She has a gloam colored eye that is sealed with a beast claw sigil.
All creatures of shadow have the same exact eye, retard. It's spectral light
>For her not to be the GEQ requires
The game to specifically never link her with anything the Gloam Eyed Queen is linked with, the Godskins and fertility.

>>715810096
She specifically went back to Shaman Village and planted a Minor Erdtree there after ascending.
She literally removed Death from the Elden Ring.
Gideon's a retard who rode on the back of (You)r success and is assmad that (You) are the next Elden Lord instead of him.
The Hornsent specifically DESERVED to be killed; they were a beligerent ethnostate that kidnapped, tortured, and murdered everyone around them. Hell in Messmer's castle there's specifically a room where Marika's forces are trying to undo the Jarring process and save the Hornsents' victims.
She shunted a portion of the landmass to the Realm of Shadow to not only seal off the Gate Of Divinity (Shown to be for good reason given Miquella's fuckery) and to protect Messmer (Who she continued to send blessings to) from burning the Erdtree, a threat that the Fingers had her attack the Giants over.

>>715810393
No, that's an outcrop of Godwyn, since his body spreads tumors through the erdtree's roots that form his face.

>>715810273
She is a Goddess, but she wasn't born as one.
But the story never said that Goddesses had to be born. We see Ranni become a Goddess, even when before she was just a Demigod. The same for Miquella.
What makes you think that Marika and Radagon share any plan? We're told explicitly that they do things that contradict one another directly. Like Marika insulting Radagon for being loyal to the Golden Order, or them alternatively breaking the Elden Ring/trying to reforge it.

>>715810540
Gideon doesn't want to be Elden Lord, he wants to be the Vizier of the next Elden Lord.

he was happy for that to be you, till he talked to Marika.

it mind broke him.

>>715810540
>Gideon's a retard
No, Gideon is very correct that Marika does not want an Elden Lord, and in fact used the Tarnished all along. You don't like that so you are pretending that part of the lore doesn't exist

>>715810540
>benevolent Genocide.

this is your mind on retardation.

>>715810501
>It's a wellspring
I'm not denying that the Cathedral doesn't have access to "deep water", that's likely what the anor londo reservoir is for.

But how am I wrong? The game says that the dregs are weighing the world down, while also saying they stew in water. It's obvious just like in DaS, that there is a bunch of water at the bottom of the world like with Ash Lake.

This is where human dregs sink into and stagnate.

>>715810501
wtf

>>715810152
Gurranq and Ironeye are the gloam eyed queens

>>715810650
>Gideon is right
>Would canonically eat shit if Godfrey won.
Gideon is wrong 10x over.

>>715810501
The Godskins have a tail because they accidentally/intentionally recreated the Crucible by covering themselves in skins.
When a mass of life is all pressed together, it basically naturally leads to a connection to the Crucible being reforged. The same was the point of the Hornsent rituals, for examples.

The only other things with her type of purple eyes is the Putrescent Knight, which in the data was called the "Gloam Eyed Queen's Knight", before being repurposed for St. Trina.

>>715809729
>mohg and morgott are unwanted monster
>get thrown into the sewers
>godwyn is the perfect golden baby
how is this fair

>>715789938
This was my assumption as well. The goal was always separation from her body, there’s no evidence in the game that the person whose soul died was anything but circumstantial. Either Ranni allied with the black knives to her own ends and they intentionally chose the person who would hurt Marika most, or he was the only demigod available and Ranni chose him out of necessity.

>>715789527 (OP)
It was nothign personnel but someone had to be soulkilled so we could simp for the blue doll

>>715810972
Suffering builds character?

>>715810621
>>715810650
Gideon specifically pulls power from Demigods that you've killed. He's a schemer and plotter who thought he could beat you to Marika and take Lordshop for himself. Then he realized he couldn't, and that the only way he would have a chance is to ambush you and take your Greater Runes to power himself up.
>>715810685
The attack on the Giants wasn't benevolent, it was specifically one of the first fracturing points between Marika and the Fingers, in part because it ended up getting her cursed by a SECOND God while the Greater Will was nowhere to be seen.

>>715810935
The Godskin noble related stuff makes it sound more like that the nobles are simply so ancient that they're more kin to something like a Hornsent or misbegotten, rather than simply adorning god skin causing them to grow such features, though obviously the skin wearing stuff is akin to some of the magical logic the Hornsent employ.

>>715810991
Or Marika is in on it and wants to damage the Golden Order as much as possible.

>>715810972
>how is this fair
They would have been killed, otherwise.

>>715809475
>Dregs are the heaviest things within the human body, and will sink to the lowest depths imaginable, where they become the shackles that bind this world.
>Sorcery which improves upon Deep Soul. Fires powerful darkened soul dregs. Archdeacon McDonnell, a sorcerer himself, delighted in the cathedral's stagnating souls. For him, they represented the glorious bedrock of this world.
Almost everything about the deep refers to it being these dregs

>>715810715
>But how am I wrong?
Because you are.
The game is very specific about the Deep being a spring used to baptize water and existing well before the coreuption of the Cathedral of the Deep.
So the Deep is le abyss is a retarded lorelet headcanon by people that didn't know anything about DS3 lore.
>>715810935
No, the Godskins have a tail because they are birthed, by Eiglay, the actual Gloam Eyed Queen, the same process with which the God devouring serpent is creating man-serpents

On a thematic ground, as much as Velka is the Gloam Eyes Queens, Corvians are in Elden Ring the Godskins. The very term Eiglay comes from the IRL mythos of Eglè, a shapeshifting serpentine Queen associated with fertility
>>715811232
None of this is relevant to the fact that Gideon is simply right and Marika does not want an Elden Lord, but her plan was quite clear way before when she outright states to Radagon that she will shatters both him and herself for the express purpose of merging.
That's the reveal all along and why Marika's roots are mired in madness. She was a usurper and not even an Empyrean

>>715807598
It’s not, part 6s epilogue and part 7 are different timelines. If anything part 6 introduces AU shit because Araki had already decided part 7 was a reboot, so the causality is reversed.

>>715811412
Almost everything except what actually refers to and describes the Deep and shows you are retarded

>>715809729
>>715810972
>>715811103
Omen are a curse by the hornsent through a pact with the formless Mother.
Their powers are innately bad juju so they had to be hidden.

Even Morgott has a conniption when he spews omen goo everywhere.

>>715811440
>and Marika does not want an Elden Lord,
Then why does the Grace point you to her
>not even an Empyrean
Bro

>>715789527 (OP)
He turned her down.

>>715811532
i havent checked it but if you go to this games' wiki page for the deep and type "stagn" you will probably get like 20 results

>>715811440
>Because you are
I didn't say the Deep was the abyss, but..
Oh wait, reading the rest of your post you're a schizo. Probably the name schizo if I'm going to take a guess.

I can't believe this nigga is still doing this shit in these threads.

>>715811575
>Then why does the Grace point you to her
Because the grace is simply Fate, not Marika's
>Bro
Yeah "bro". Show me where Marika is said to be an Empyrean

>>715809729
Omens and hornsent are different. Being an omen is a debilitating birth defect not just a quirk of being close to the crucible. They’re in pain from the horns and haunted by the ghosts of the hornsent in their dreams. Marika had omen twins because empyrean Grandham cursed her for her betrayal.

>>715811690
>reading the rest of your post you're a schizo. Probably the name schizo if I'm going to take a guess.
i only started browsing ds3 topics now give me the qrd on him

>>715811690
>I didn't say the Deep was the abyss,
Yes you did. The Deep is not a phenomenon. It's a physical place.
I also posted the exact spell describing it
>Schizo
No u

>>715795330
Based. Btfo loresissies

>>715811550
You'd spew goo everywhere too if you wanted to kill yourself for 1000 years because you were born too horny for your mommy to accept.

>>715811575
she just wants you to cause as much chaos as possible

for that you need to grather the runes, and kill Radagon.

after that no one will be able to really hold anything together, the Elden Ring can't be properly utilized by a Non-God, and conflict will reign eternal, as you pass, others will come for it, and on and on.

sure there are other endings like Ranni's or CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD that alter this wanted outcome of Marika's, but that's her goal, gideon is explicit, he has no reason to lie to you, he is afterall trying to kill you to stop you from moving the world into Checkmate for Marika.

>>715811728
Maliketh's Remembrance.
The first line says that he was given to an Empyrean as a Shadow, and the next line says that he was Marika's Shadow.

>>715811862
one handjob could have saved us a lot of trouble.

>>715810540
If you’re 6 from games deep and are still thinking in terms of
>golden order based
>crucible cringe deus vult lol
There’s no helping you. Was hornsent society deeply fucked? Of course. Moreso than the golden order? Not really. Did they deserve to be killed to the last woman and child? No one does.

>>715808843
This series was made by a lorefag.

>>715809729
>Godfrey had Omen children because he's closely connected to the Crucible
Nope
>he led the Crucible Knights and is basically a Runebear shoved into human skin.
>Morgott and Mohg being Crucible-touched
Has nothing to do with it. The inhabitants of the Lands Between can convey Crucible currents without growing horns because they are locals, unlike the Hornsent. The Hornsent appeared later and started growing horns when under the influence of the Crucible that they aren't used to. This is why numen have spirits in their flesh the hornsent can use to commune with the Crucible

>>715812056
Truth nuke.

'Abyss' sucks
'Deep' sucks
'Fire' is good but temporary
'Dark' sucks but is necessary so that new Fire can be born

>>715811747
Omens suffering so badly is an artifact of them being treated like total dogshit by society.
They'd be in less pain and torment if they weren't either mutilated or thrown down in the sewers to eat literal shit and rats for their entire lives. If their horns were reasonably managed and their strange atavistic traits handled with care instead of brutality, they'd be less of a horrible pariah population, I'd say.

>>715811728
Marika is literally the one directing the Grace for you. The DLC even spells it out when confronting Leda. The player is Marika's chosen one.
>>715811926
>after that no one will be able to really hold anything together,
The vanilla ending is specifically that you restore the Ring and Marika and usher in a new golden age.

>>715812118
I’ve never heard this before but I can already tell from how you wrote it that you’re that retard that always shows up with the fancanons.

>>715812209
No doubt, but it’s still a physical malady. In 4chan speak they’re not differently baked, they’re cripples. They’re a cursed people. Their persecution is just the icing on the shit cake.

>>715811995
>and the next line says that he was Marika's Shadow.
Wrong. It says Marika had no use for him. It's a clear sign that Maliketh had turned on the Gloam Eyed Queen, alongside the fact that his armor and mane and his connection to the beastmen of Farum Azula say he is much older than Marika

>>715797091
>but Miquella's character and foreshadowing in the base game
what like mohg being the only demigod whose body goes missing?
or miq dabbling in necromancy at sage's cave?
or radahn's reverence for elden lords?
the material was absolutely set up in the base game. it's you guys sticking your heads in the sand making godwyn out to be more important than he was that have a problem here.

>>715812223
Considering Marika instigated all the conflict, I highly doubt the stability of the "Golden Age" lol

I believe she will immediately start instigating new conflict and use you to do it, like she used literally EVERYONE else.

>>715812416
Differently abled* sorry, mobilefag

>>715812223
>Marika is literally the one directing the Grace for you. The DLC even spells it out when confronting Leda.
Nope
>The Erdtree was leading you all along. So that you might ascend to lordship. Why come to these lands to begin with? I suppose it must be what his Eminence, or perhaps the Erdtree, desired all along? The clashing of the favored lords, such that one would prevail?
It's Fate that leads the player. Not Marika, not anyone else. Grace follows the laws of pull of meaning, the desire to seek ascension. Nowhere it says Marika does anything

>>715811785
There's a faggot on /v/, across multiple topics (From Soft, LoZ, BGIII) who has autistic fixations on certain games.
He's mostly known for self replying to larp as a collective of /v/ attacking a specific "lol cow" as he calls them, which have different names (hence "name" name schizo). He's been with /v/ for over a decade to the point that most mods know of him but can't act because of his elaborate VPN use.
What he'll also do, specifically in Elden Ring threads, is enter lore discussion where he'll blend obvious facts and but then veer off it completely unsourcable head canon that intentionally makes zero sense, all to get lore fags to call it retarded.
Imagine if someone basically thought autistic lore fags arguing over head canon was the gayist shit and started fucking with them by just making up shit, not backing the claims and delving further into incoherent nonsense.
Like for example, one time he veered off into this claim that Elden Ring depended on understanding William Blake's novel religion to understand the lore, going as far to claim that basically the entire motivations of some characters follow the fictional mythology, including the GW which he kept claiming was Blake's Urizen.
This was all derived from some of Blake's paintings resembling designs of the Liurnian Academy. Maybe Miyazacki drew some inspiration from the paintings, but it was all complete bullshit to argue that the lore had a hidden story.

He's probably not alone in doing this, but since he'll do it then resort to his basic name schizo shit when people call him out, I consider people copy cat-ing it to be him.

>Why do you care
You spend enough time on /v/ you notice shit and gets annoying, we all know of fags like Ruggarell spamming encrypted blacked porn in his Hex Maniac threads or Sybb spamming Samus ass, or Barneyfag. Over time you just get so tired of schizos you even start to love Namefags for at least being honest.

>>715789527 (OP)
You can either assume Ranni read the stars and knew Godwyn would become the god of death, and chose him based off that. Alternatively you could see it was Ranni killing two birds with one stone: getting her 1/2 death from a sacrificed demigod, and causing the most amount of chaos to disrupt the Golden Order and give her the opening to usurp it. Or you could assume Godwyn got found by the Black Knives first as just a stroke of bad luck.

Depending on how you read some promotional material, and whether you consider them canon, the night of black knives target several demigods, Godwyn just being the first. There's multiple allusions to there being many demigod children dead and forgotten by the time the game starts.

>>715812309
You are a stupid nigger
Where do Black Knights have horns? Where does Godfrey? They don't because the Hornsent are unique foreigners to the Lands Between that find the Sacred Tree amber to be nauseauting. Their nature is completely different and they don't have the same body as inhabitants of the Lands Between and numen. They dont grow horns because they have some deeper connection to the Crucible, it's the other way around as they began worshipping horns as divine after growing them
>>715812223
No, it's the Erdtree itself. Read what Law of Regression and Law of Casuality are. It's fated for those who see grace to seek Lordship.

>>715812223
The Guidance of Grace is interesting sometimes.
For example, it leads us directly to Ranni and Millicent, each.
Marika does still love her daughters in some way.

whats the difference between fate and outer will. this game is a mess

>>715812419
>Maliketh was a shadowbound beast given to his Empyrean.
>Marika's sole need of her shadow was a vessel to lock away Destined Death.
He was the Shadow of an Empyrean, Marika only needed her Shadow as a lockbox, Maliketh was used as a lockbox.
This is clearly all linked together and you're really torturing the grammar to make those separate clauses.
Him being plausibly linked to the Beastmen does mean that he's probably conceptually older than Marika. But that is because he's a creation of the Two Fingers, who themselves are much older than Marika. But Maliketh himself is not older than she is. He's just the product of a far more ancient source.

Ranni did most of what she did for her own selfish purposes, as she abhorred her fate as an Empyrean, but what motivated her to do most of it was that she was displeased with how much the Greater Will controlled, and the fact that there was still great suffering even in a supposed perfect Golden Order.
To that end, she needed to cause a great upheaval, and for that, her target was actually Marika, not Godwyn. Godwyn was just a necessary sacrifice, as he was the only demigod Marika loved enough that his death would trigger Marika to do something drastic in defiance to the Greater Will. The fact she could use his murder to split the cursemark and shear her soul from her demigod flesh was just the icing on the cake. She could have done that with literally anyone, but might as well kill two birds with one stone.
Ultimately, Marika crashing out and shattering the Elden Ring was Ranni's ideal outcome. It weakened the Greater Will's grasp on the Lands Between, as set the stage for her to lead The Tarnished to sever Marika's connection to it for good, and free everyone from its influence. The natural order could resume, and people don't have to suffer in eternal life under the Golden Order any longer. Everyone is now left to control their own fate.

>>715806903
Overhauling the dialogue system for NPC's. Having to reinitiate conversation with them until it loops to make sure they've completed their thoughts is extremely archaic. On top of that, they speak overly vaguely and mostly *at* you. I feel like if there was a way to have a back-and-forth, or at least discuss concepts or ideas with them, you'd simultaneously flesh out the characters and make the lore more accessible, but still only insofar as the player wants. Less Mass Effect, and more Fallout 1 or Morrowind.

>>715813713
knowing this its wild Pidia sought to turn her into a sex slave doll.

he had to know she was a Machiavellian type who abhorred people trying to control her.

>>715813459
Fate is determined by the stars, which are a bunch of celestial bullshit that range from outer gods to giant fuck-off monster abominations to baby rock monsters. Fate itself is just the predestined outcome, where the events culminating to it don't really matter. Radahn held back the stars, and thus prevented the fulfillment of destinies.

>outer will
Outer gods are gods outside of the Golden Order. The Golden Order itself is a fundamental understanding of reality created by Queen Marika as a god under the Greater Will, which is currently the dominating god of the Lands Between, though it isn't located anywhere near it. Instead, the Greater Will has agents who serve in lieu of it, but for whatever reason they lost connection to it. You can basically imagine the outer gods and the Greater Will as being part of an unfathomably vast pantheon of strange gods fighting for control over reality. They need a champion in the form of an ascended godhead whose consort carries out the godhead's will against the machinations of the outer gods.

>>715813324
>they’re less crucible-y
>because they’re close to the crucible
Even for you this is a non starter.

Godfrey is explicitly stated to be an outsider. He goes BACK to the badlands after he loses grace. Marika arrived in the numen coffin boat. The entire reason she shrouds her deeds is because she not only that she committed genocide, she supplanted the native population, and her ruse allows her to rewrite history into a version of events where the golden order was the first and only claimant to the lands between.

>>715812209
No, stop trying to fit Sous lore into some mundane trash western story trope boxes. The Omen are not a metaphor for racism and shit.
The Omen suffer because they are CURSED. They are permanently tormented by wraiths, souls tha are severed from their Order, and that instead resonate within Omen horns because those horns are of the same nature as the Crucible. Those wraiths haunt them in their sleep in the same way the Fell God, cheated by Marika, now haunts the Hornsent sagas. It's vengeance of cursed souls, and that kind of metaphysics is so tangible and real even if seldomly shown that it is the actual reason Marika veiled the Land of Shadow leaving Messmer as scapegoat and sealing the Abyss within him, a snake representing the concept of Death and so Darkness that Marika buried.

You will never come close in the slightest to actually understand Souls game if you think anything represents some metaphor about themes.

>>715795330
exact same as miyasushi himself

>>715813942
So Radahn actually forced Greater Will (among others) to stop, at least for a time, w/e they were planning?

>>715795330
Based and same. These are action games not fine art

>>715814089
Mohg is very clearly not tormented by anything, and is actually probably the happiest guy around, because he's an Omen that unlike the others was able to carve out a place for himself in society and avoid being treated like shit.
The idea that they're cursed inherently and permanently to always suffer is just not fitting with what we see in the game.
Being Crucible Touched is not a great curse. Every living creature is born from the Crucible.

>>715789756
It felt like Godwyn was the most logical target
>Rykard and Radahn were Rannis siblings
>Was anyone in Rannis inner circle even aware the existence of Morgott and Mohg
>Lmao try to kill Miquella or Malenia
That leaves Godwyn

>>715814089
Everything about these games represents themes, ideas. No it's not just made up bullshit for the sake of it.

>>715813942
I've never liked the idea that the GW had "rivals" in the outer gods. The DLC went the extra mile of showing how it is simply above everything like a chief diety such as Zeus or El.

The outer gods are less like cthulhu aliens and all rather grounded. Every one of them is something Marika's golden order suppressed. Death, Disease, Fire, Magma, Pain and suffering. There is an outer god for each and everyone of them.

It's an assumption that Melania or Mohg were cursed because they desired to usurp the Greater Will and the Elden Ring, it seems more like a grand retaliation towards Marika's Golden order.

Only the serpent seems to want to rebell against the GW and that just may be its nature as an all consuming volcano deity that invokes a similar but flawed version of what the Frenzied Flame embodies.

>>715813857
>On top of that, they speak overly vaguely and mostly *at* you.
You basically get a handful of vague dialogue, then they die. Often times because you explored an area before you progressing their extremely vague storyline. At this point, it's just hard to actually care about any NPC as a real character. It's more that when completing an NPC storyline you get an item like a rare upgrade material, weapon, or armor set. So that's basically all NPCs are to me in souls games now, just a way to get something rare

>>715814017
which is hilarious because there are like 5 dead civilization layer caked under hers.

Hornsent (her doing) Uld, Rauh, Beastman, and Nox (also her doing)

Uld seems to be the oldest, Beastman and Rauh and then Hornsent and Nox.

Uld is so old no one is even left beyond small bits, Rauh seemed to be the biggest as the entire Continent was literally built on their structures, so grand that the GO could only dream of building something as grand in one city as they built the entirety of the Lands Between on their backs, almost Megastructure-esque.

>>715814436
Mohg is a psychopath and a sadomasochist. He literally recruits Okina because he liked the way Rivers of blood felt as it cut him. There’s like 6 separate item descriptions about the revenants that haunt omens in their sleep, and the omensmirk mask, with what he see in the DLC, confirmed that those revenants are the ghosts of the hornsent.

>>715814017
>Le badlands
The Badlands are the Weeping Peninsula. It's where you find exalted flash, the Iron set and most items related to the Badlands
None of the inhabitants of the Lands Between who worshipped the Crucible actually grew horns in any way, not even those cults of shamans that worship it in the form of regal spirits
The Hornsent are a unique case and an actual different race

He did nothing. Because there’s no story
You’re looking at a schizo face on a wall that you relate to mysticism and le epic Kabbalah when you should just fucking kill your self jap Jew

>>715814661
The Badlands is across the fog, just like Land of Reeds is, and likely other whole worlds.

>>715814647
The Hornsent look nothing like the Omensmirk mask. Which on the other hand looks a lot like a jeering asshole.
Mohg is a psychopath, but he's also a happy camper that has no connection to wraiths or anything of that sort.
Wraiths coming from someone being tormented on the other hand, make a lot of sense. Wraith Callers are mutated amalgams of corpses that somehow were brought back to life and live in constant suffering, for example.

>>715814870
the Omensmirk is absolutely a reference to the Hornsent.

Omens and Hornsent are obviously connected, its clearly a "Fuck You" curse from the Hornsent.

>>715814870
Pure head canon but since Wraiths seem to be ghosts with their own spirit bells and have extremely high holy resistance like all Godwyn releated things (except Those who live in death) I've theorized they are supposed to be what happens to souls that failed erdtree rebirth due to deathroot.

>>715815065
>Pure head canon
this is pretty much the entire thread, you don't need to say this lmao

>>715814386
Think it's more apt to say Radahn holding back the stars halted the plans of all other gods outside of the Greater Will, considering he was loyal to Queen Marika during the Shattering. Holding back the stars and ceasing their movements did a shitload of things for the Lands Between.
1. Stopped any more star beasts from falling onto the Lands Between
2. Stopped fate and the conspiracies of the outer gods
3. Stopped the migration of gravity lords or whatever the fuck since those faggots also come from space
>>715814541
The Greater Will was not always in charge. The Crucible predates the arrival of the Greater Will, but the dragons were the first race to champion the Greater Will's uh, will (Placidusax was the first Elden Lord). I think the DLC strongly implies that the Hornsent begrudgingly coexisted alongside the dragons until the arrival of Metyr and the Elden Beast and the inception of the Elden Ring. The dragons had their own shattering with Bayl and his bullshit, which caused a free-for-all in the Lands Between where you had Hornsent, Marika, and the GEQ all fucking around until Marika stabbed someone really fucking hard in the back and stole divinity from the Hornsent.

>>715814870
> The Hornsent look nothing like the Omensmirk mask
>just a man’s face
>but with horns
I mean it’s not a flattering portrait but that’s them. It’s either them or the omens, and they’re not haunting themselves.

>>715815019
I think the Omens are just the modern name for a condition that dates back far before Marika's time. People have always occasionally been born with horns or tails or wings or shit like that.
In the Hornsent age they were worshipped, such as someone like the Grandam.
In Marika's age they're treated worse than dogshit.
But its the same condition under different reception.

>>715814541
The Greater Will was just the first one to slap a Flag on Earth and declare its territory and dominion, is my interpretation.
It might be the strongest of the Gods, but I don't think its categorically different from the others.

>>715809672
I still feel the evidence for Eiglay is weaker than Melina as the gloam-eyed queen. Eiglay etymologically is derived from a Lithuanian myth about a shapeshifting serpent. It's a snake worshiping temple found in a region well known for worshiping serpents as part of the ancient God Devouring Serpent myth that Rykard recovered. Its primary importance is being where you find Rya's birthing caul, which may just imply Eiglay was the snake her mother fucked. The strongest evidence is that a Black Flame Monk and Godskin Noble are here, but they're found all over the place. You could say Ranni was the gloam-eyed queen because one was guarding her corpse, or Radahn was since an apostle is guarding the queen's personal weapon in Caelid Tower's basement.

>>715815221
the Omen are similar, but cursed, they spew curse from them, it causes them pain and suffering.

Hornsent do not seem.. as sickly or cursed, they seem badass as fuck using their Horn powers.

the only one who seems to have utilized his Curse really well is Morgott, into his curse sword, Mohg gets his powers from somewhere entirely different.

>friend beats elden ring
>tries to talk to me about lore
nigga i dont know im just a dog

>>715814781
Nuh uh. Nowhere it's stated that Godfrey was sent in the Badlands. On the contrary when exiled he is known as the King of the Badlands, a land where the Chiftains are famous for hunting Runebears
>>715814870
Mohg finds solace in the Formless Mother, like the Bloodfiends do. That actually burns his wraiths. Mohg isn't a schizo

>>715790748
>>715805003
>>715807617
He wasn't an Empyrean, it was impossible for him to succeed Marika. He could be the next Elden Lord, but that's it.

>>715815019
I also believe that. Especially considering how Hornsent grandam talks about it.
The curse is caused by vengeful ghosts of hornsent entering mother? fetus? at some point. Omen Bairns are sort of apology, offering to them. A defense charm.
>"Please, don't hate me, or curse me. Please."
This is a mother begging for her actual child to be spared. Take the doll instead.

>>715814661
The Badlands definitely aren't the Weeping Peninsula.
Until like 5 minutes before we arrive there, the entire province was still under Godrick's control and Castle Morne was a functional fortress projecting power.
It wasn't some wasteland at all, but instead an integral part of Limgrave.

>>715815121
It just doesn't have much support aside from the wraiths having their own bells and having high holy resistance. Almost all Godwyn related things have high holy resistance which is ironic considering skeletons are alive because of him but get nuked by it.

Wormfaces, Godwyn Crabs, even Lichdragon Fortissax has immense holy resistance.

Then you have the Wraiths and Revenants, looking like undead abominations, having like 60% holy resistance.

Why? Why are they so holy resistant?

>>715815830
I love the Godwyn Crabs.

>>715815407
>It's a snake worshiping temple found in a region well known for worshiping serpents as part of the ancient God Devouring Serpent myth that Rykard recovered.
No, the two are not the same actually.
The Godskins carried Eiglay after Marika took the Rune of the Unborn from her at the Bonny Village (see Orphic Egg) and carried her in Volcano Manor. The God Devouring Serpent had been always in Mt. Gelmir since Ancient times.
They literally remake Eiglay as shed skin because Serpents survive seemingly lethal damages by shedding skin and resting.
>but they're found all over the place.
Wherever they are it makes sense.
>You could say Ranni was the gloam-eyed queen because one was guarding her corpse
No, he was trying to get her corpse
>or Radahn was since an apostle is guarding the queen's personal weapon in Caelid Tower's basement.
The Gloam Eyed Queen had a deep connection with Farum Azula and Caelid and that is THEIR Divine Tower, since in ancient times, when the Lands Between were politically unified, each civilization had his own Divine Tower

>>715815436
>Hornsent do not seem.. as sickly or cursed
Aren't the Lamenter hornsent indicative of the current state of their species? Hornsent driven so deeply into despair they've gone mad?

>>715815065
>>715815830
Are Revenants even associated with Godwyn?
They don't appear in Deeproot at all, nor do they typically appear in the skeleton dungeons. If anything, they are more linked to Liurnia than anything else, maybe?
I think they're a totally unique type of fucked up monstrosity that isn't linked to Godwyn.

>>715815830
well ya see, Holy damage sucks real bad in this game, and they wanted it to suck more, so even when you think you'll have a use for it, you won't.

it exists to kill weak ass skele's and hurt 2nd phase Messmer and nothing more.

nevermind they wasted tons of dev space on an element that sucks 80% of the game, but they are consistent in making it suck.

>>715815135
Hyetta's sermon implies there was no life on the world until the ER arrived so I don't agree with that take.
The Crucible in all likelyhood exists only because of the Elden Ring, as if there is a rune of death surely there is a rune of life within it.

>>715815321
Ymir says it created the big bang, thats a lot more impressive than a god that only cares about fungus or fire.

The GW's rival is arguably only the FF and even with that i'm 90% sure that the FF is just the GW's "other half" following the games duality motiff.

>>715815830
>Why? Why are they so holy resistant?
because fuck you it's a video game

>>715814661
>The Badlands are the Weeping Peninsula
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>715816054
likely grafted fuckery on people who can't die because of GO shit.

they are quite clearly NOT "Those who live in Death".

>>715789938
He was Marika's most, or only, beloved child. And THE scion of the golden order, her successor. Ranni's an evil vindictive bitch

>>715789527 (OP)
>miyazaki denied us this

>>715816112
the FF is a Black Hole that paradoxically emits madness.

its the opposite of a big bang, so maybe it is the twin to the GO.

>>715816112
>Hyetta's sermon implies there was no life on the world until the ER arrived so I don't agree with that take.
Isn't it more like there was only the One Great? I don't trust anything niggers associated with the Frenzied Flame have to say, anyhow. They just want an excuse to let CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD.

>>715816054
They don't show up with Godwyn zones but that doesn't mean they aren't a result of him.
Revenants also emit Godwyn's death fog when they teleport.

There is next to nothing about wraiths, even with their namesake bell tool.

>>715795330
Based

>>715795868
>>715804163
>>715804616
SEETHE

>>715795330
Only Dark Souls 1 has a story. Niggas want to gaslight you into believing anything is going on in the other games.

>>715789527 (OP)
can anyone actually prove that Ranni leads the Black Knife Assassin's? is there any proof that Ranni killed Godwyn in the first place and it wasn't just the Black Knives being gay?

>>715804163
>why would I be mad, he said, visibly mad

>>715816390
Ranni isn't the leader of the Black Knife Assassins. Queen Marika was.

>>715789527 (OP)
just make something up. there is no canon storyline to this shit.

>>715816317
yea I think there's some kernal of truth to their Jew Tikkum Olam shit, but not alot, they are very very malicious and duplicitous.

not good at the soft sell for their cult either, Shabriri goes completely unhinged a minute after you meet him.

>>715816146
Holy is resisted by the following
>Crucible sworn shit
>Shardbearing demigods
>Anything that has Godwyn cancer
>Wraiths

So basically anything using the Erdtree Power, being part of the Elden Ring or having part of Godwyn's body in it.

>>715816390
nothing in the game makes sense it's all over the place. I like elden ring but the writers are dumb fucks

>>715816317
The crazy guy from the DLC also calls it the source of life. Also, the frenzied flame explanation is that the Greater Will caused the One Great to fracture and give birth to life, so either they were both there in the beginning or the Greater Will is a metaphysical thing personified by the people.

it's a make your own story adventure

>>715816453
all of Elden Ring can be surmised by this image, Marika is all 3 beings, the two dino's, and Wash.

>>715795330
based

>>715795330
Spoken like a true hero

>>715789527 (OP)
Considering how protective of her mother she is, it's safe to assume she has a strong hatred of Marika beyond the whole Greater Will thing. When you view it as "Why Marika's first child", and not "Why Godwyn" the motive makes a lot more sense

>>715816486
No one can keep a fucking secret in this game.
You press Ranni a little and she instantly spills that she killed Godwyn.
Miriel can't stop sharing all the juicy deets about Radagon that he can.

>>715816631
I agree, you can summarize as "it was Marika's fault" and you're likely correct.

>>715816529
yeah, i agree, i really hated how little information you actually get and how much of it is completely pointless
>ah yes, me, the graceless tarnished, found a shiny rock
>immediately gets a paragraph about how it's actually from ruins floating high in the sky
it's all unreliable with barely any connections

>>715795330
Lord fags absolutely btfo moon at them seethe in the replies KEK

>>715816112
Ymir is a crazy bitch

>>715816317
>>715816486
Chaos servants don't lie. Just because they're named after jew demons doesn't mean they're lying.
Even Shabriri's "trick" wasn't a lie. You DID save Melina, her hating you is her own problem.

If they lied they wouldn't be telling you their intentions to melt the world into one.

>>715815653
The Badlands are not a wasteland nor a bunch of savage retards. They were just people who did not worship the Erdtree until Godfrey's conversion.
>>715816164
See>>715815473

>>715816631
>Radagon "Curse your sudden by inevitable betrayal

>Marika "HAHA MINE IS AN EVIL LAUGH, NOW DIE, ME.

>>715816737
He became a Finger tranny but his plan would have probably worked eventually.

>>715816663
she knows Marika/Radagon is her Dad, anon.

>>715795330
not like the game goes through any effort to tell you anything, the NPC's say the smallest amount of shit to get you towards the next boss gate
>bro just go into your inventory every time you pick up a new item, read the description and try to connect it with the other 300 descriptions you've read
yeah, no, i won't be able to remember all the details and i'm certainly not going back through my 400 items to see if i remembered correcrlt

>>715795330
This.
>But axtkvhually Zanzibart was one fo the great kings of EldenSouls and the blood curse flows throug--
I don't. Fucking. Care. About your shitty weeb story.

>>715805093
The ME3 endings were fine people just missed the point that the entire journey was full of major and minor payoffs but the actual ending was an almost inescapable fate
For them to say choices don't matter when the entire game was laced with them because the credits had to roll was retarded, one of the greatest filterings of our times.

>>715816764
yes, I know the MO of Jews, anon.

>>715812202
>'Dark' sucks but is necessary so that new Fire can be born
We don't actually know how bad the Dark is because the instances we see of it during the Age of Fire (e.g. the Abyss) only result because the Dark is lashing out more and more violently to restore the natural order and finally end the Age of Fire. We see the Abyss in the Ringed City and it's not nearly as malignant as it was to Oolacile.

>>715816764
>the monkey paw technically granted your wish
yeah yeah, may chaos take the world and literally kill everyone and everything, totally cool and neat

>>715817032
He could have pretended to but Yura too, he had every advantage.

>>715816390
Yeah, she admits it.
>Indeed, I am the witch Ranni.
>I stole a fragment of the Rune of Death,
>and used it to forge the godslaying black knives through fearsome rite.

>I did it all.

>But sadly for thee,
>the cursemark thou seekest is not to be found here.

>I have slain the body I was born into,
>and cast it away.
>And it is upon that flesh the cursemark is carved.

She doesn't control the Black Knife Assassins, they have their own personal vendetta against the Gods. And she even locked one up in Liurnia.
But she did at least equip them for the sake of killing Godwyn as she took her own life at the same time.

>>715805093
Each of those endings in the right is unique and has different implications. Even your image highlights the difference. The point isn't same cutscene with colors, but nothing actually changing between each ending

>>715799003
Yeah. That's why I like her.

>>715817016
all the adherents to the dark are murderous psychopaths or might makes right killers.

you literally have to murder an innocent compatriot to become their Big Boss, then crush the skull of the one person who would do anything you ask (including die for you) just because you can.

the Dark is simply the worse nature of mankind given physical and metaphysical form.

>>715799003
Yeah, fuck Ranni, Ranni sucks. Her and her faggy moon can go fuck themselves. Satanic, cold, witch.

>>715816864
My point still stands. She's clearly on her mother's side of the split. Lashing out in a way that hurts those important to the dad that betrayed her is on brand.

>>715806246
>I can't put my finger on it
Well you should try

Ranni is my wife and I think her war crimes are cute.

>>715817096
>I did it all.
YOU DON'T GET TOLD WHAT ALL IS YOU DUMB FUCK, IT DOESN'T MENTION HER KILLING GODWYN, SHOW ME THE ITEM DESCRIPTION OR NPC COMMENT

>>715817260
>you don't get told what all is
>a word that means "everything"
Anon, she could not be more clear. She was responsible for the entirety of the Night of Black Knives. She did it all.

>>715799003
Ranni did nothing wrong and actually saved Godwyn and the Lands Between
She is simped because she is the actual hero.
Godwyn himself was actually saved and Ranni saved the Lands Between and without her Godwyn would become Lord of Night for the scions of the Eternal City, something that literally already happened and was so disastrous the timeline had to be deleted and reset

>>715789938
I think Ranni chose Godwyn not to hurt Marika but because he was the most "honorable" target. That is, if you're going to kill a demigod and declare war, then choosing the most powerful at the same time as your suicide gives leeway for your failure. If you fail, you are a traitor who died a traitor's death and the Golden Order proved righteous. If you succeed, you are an usurper who earned that power, not because you went after an easy target but because you went after the symbol of the Golden Order's future.

>>715789754
>woman getting away scot-free
Riveting storytelling

>>715817396
>That is, if you're going to kill a demigod and declare war
Quit this headcanon
>Ranni chose
Ranni didn't choose anyone
The Black Knives were desperate for a Lord since the Eternal Cities couldn't create one.
There's no war or any GOTshit in Elden Ring, it's the Sacred Rite Scroll attempt.

>>715817160
I don't want to do the "both sides are le bad" thing, but the amount of shit Gwyn does to extend his Age of Fire beats anything you do in the Lord of Hollows ending. And anyways, I see the Lord of Hollows ending as a bad ending as well, since you're just doing the same shit Gwyn did but with the Age of Dark.
It's a good thing that you can bring about the Age of Dark way more peacefully by just giving the Fire Keeper her eyes. The Dark isn't inherently bad, it's Gwyn's refusal to let his Age end that made the Dark the monstrous force it is in the games.

>>715795330
Basest post on /v/ right now

>>715789754
>Psychotic killer
Bro I am literally just wandering around and shit tries to kill me. Not once have I picked a fight with anyone. I just walk into their throne room, they say some shit, and then they start flipping around and throwing knives and shit at me. What the fuck do they expect me to do?

>>715805127
Everyone talks like a faggot in that game so they're easy to ignore

>>715817349
That means literally nothing, because we know for a fact she didn't do it all, she had to be at her body doing a ritual, said ritual never mentions that another god had to be dead at the same time, there's literally no reason for Ranni's soul to be locked into her body, God's have already died so Godwyn "needing" to die or whatever at the same time isn't true and blatantly false, until someone shows me something that specifically mentinos Godwyn was murked by the Black Knives soley for Ranni's ritual, then I'd be satisfied, but Godwyn's death wasn't necessary, why would ONE RANDOM EMPYREAN/DEMI-GOD HOLD ALL OTHER SOULS INTO EMPYREAN BODIES just to prevent them from escaping the Golden Order.

>>715789527 (OP)
Nothing, when a woman wants something they don't care about what happens to anyone else

>>715817160
>all the adherents to the dark are murderous psychopaths or might makes right killers.
Wrong
>you literally have to murder an innocent compatriot to become their Big Boss, then crush the skull of the one person who would do anything you ask (including die for you) just because you can.
No you don't
>the Dark is simply the worse nature of mankind given physical and metaphysical form.
Wrong

>>715817519
the Dark isn't inherently bad, but all the servants of the Hollow shit are.

they are easily the most evil faction, Gwyn at least did all his shit to keep the universe stable and continuing, and he was ultimately RIGHT about the Dark Soul and its holders.

>>715812202
No, the Dark is very good
Usurpation of Fire is the best ending

>>715817016
Abyss in RC hasn't yet led to a catastrophe (possibly because of Midir keeping it at bay), but it's fruits are still foul. Mumbling insect men who lure you in with big words and then eat your face. Awesome.
DS3 especially seems to have a theme of Abyss being represented by flesh devouring insects. Across the franchise, it hasn't given birth to anything pleasant, but at every opportunity bit the hand that tried to feed it, work with it. I believe Gwyn hated it for a reason and not because he's a bigoted incel pisschud.

>>715817680
Usurper of flame is not a pro dark ending, it's Kaathe's personal wank for hummies to live out the rest of their existence as immortal zombies.

>>715817680
Huh, I never noticed Anri was there...

>>715789527 (OP)
Ranni does seem to own the slaying of Godwyn with a degree of vindictive pride when confronted with the matter.
You could argue that Godwyn was simply the favoured offspring of Marika, the lustrous and storied slayer of Dragons and seemingly a paragon of the Golden Order.
Perhaps there was simply no better target than him for wreaking vengeance on the Two Fingers that wished to shape her fate. Even then, such an act would surely paint a hefty target on her back, inhabiting the lifeless vessel of a doll or not. Surely some other reason must exist.
Perhaps Godwyn was simply another candidate Empyrean, who may have striven to succeed Marika and prolong the Golden Order, thus denying Ranni's freedom and era of the dark moon.

Unrelated, but I wonder if Godwyn's draconic affinity evolved into literally grafting himself and his minions into their form, or using dragon communion to achieve a similar effect. This could explain the Dragonkin, who resemble the grafted forms of the gargoyles but moulded into a different shape, sort of like how the perfumers branched into various permutations throughout their history.
Godrick, a descendent of the golden lineage, displays by his era, a reverential admiration for dragons, referring to them as the 'true heirs' as he then proceeds to literally graft one onto his arm.
Maybe it was all the horrible grafting that caused Godwyn to have his shit so absolutely fucked up in death. His body in the cutscene looks pretty human I guess.
I read somewhere that the nostrils on his face were actually a blow hole-like organ, like a whale or dolphin, and that his head should be seen upside down from its usual orientation so that the golden hair is on top.

>>715816905
>The ME3 endings were fine
No.

>>715817989
uhhh you are forgetting the later added refuse ending that changed everything

>>715817884
I did, thought it was odd she was still alive after shoving an entire sword into her face.

>>715817691
Oh yeah, you're right about that. The Hollow Londor fellows suck.
Not sure what you mean about Gwyn being proven right about the Dark Soul, though.

is there anything more emberressing than dark souls lore discussion like what the fuck is this thread kek

>>715817691
>but all the servants of the Hollow shit are.
Wrong
>they are easily the most evil faction,
Nothing they do is evil
>>715817786
>Usurper of flame is not a pro dark ending,
Of course it is
>it's Kaathe's personal wank for hummies to live out the rest of their existence as immortal zombies
Nuh uh. It actually uses Gwyn's Darksign as link to have the player become Lord of all Humanity and a new Age of Humanity begins. Hollowing stops being a curse as the Profaned Flame does not fade
>>715817884
>>715818130
Because you don't ACTUALLY understand the lore. The Ashen One becomes the vessel of the souls of those who sacrificed themselves to accumulate curse as penitents.
It's identical thematically to how the Eternal Cities created the Moon in Elden Ring. You take their curse, and use it as coalesced Dark Sigils to contain the Usurped Dark Flame.
It's an hopeful ending as the player becomes the actual protector and Lord of Humanity

>>715818272
Ooh, I'll start. How about not knowing how to spell embarrassing in an age where you see the word all the time?

>>715818130
They are not alive. Or dead. They are hollows, who just sort of 'exist'. A man reduced to his most base, aimless form.

>>715818334
whatever bro

>>715818130
Undead who haven't fully hollowed respawn after death.

>>715818317
>of course it is
Then why aren't they ok with the Firekeeper killing the fire hmm?

>>715817759
>Mumbling insect men who lure you in with big words and then eat your face. Awesome.
Okay that's fair kek
But I always thought that the locust preachers that attacked you were different from the ones that wanted to talk to you about philosophy. It's been a while since I played through DS3, so my memory of the lore's pretty foggy.

>>715818317
>you don't understand how it actually makes sense for her to be walking around after shoving a sword into her face
Obviously I don't, that's why I said I was surprised, reading this reply suddenly made me appreciate this anon's perspective: >>715818272

>>715818272
>he complains about Dark Souls discussion in an Elden Ring thread
???

>>715818764
you sound like an easy mark, lol

>>715817032
>literally kill everyone and everything, totally cool and neat
Did it really though?

>>715818569
Sure but she didn't dissolve, she was sitting there pinned to concrete by a sword stuck in her face.

sex with ranni
but specifically in her small doll form

pocket doll pussy

>>715819036
kek

>>715805937
I never played ER, what happens in that ending? I'm curious and uncaring of spoilers.

>>715819336
you set the entire world on fire
literally

>>715818764
It's the same race, few of them are just better at controlling themselves, I guess. They all hope for age of dark which will start their "feast" and so preach about how epic it would be. But most can't even hold back their apetite before that happens.

>>715812223
>The vanilla ending is specifically that you restore the Ring and Marika and usher in a new golden age
You serious? The age continues, shits still fucked. Maybe goldenmasks ending brings a new golden age but the default vanilla one is very clearly showing shits still kind of fucked

>>715819036
Still, I don't think the Dark was as bad at every opportunity like you make it out to be. In Dark Souls 2, out of the four daughters of Manus, Nadalia didn't really do anything wrong besides just being disappointed that the Old Iron King was already gone, and Alsanna genuinely fell in love with the Ivory King and did her best to keep the spread of Chaos contained in her husband's and kingdom's memory.

>>715819389
Really? Just burn it all down? Sounds like a fun time not gonna lie.

>>715819336
Chaos takes the world, you blow it all up, all of reality, with the Frenzy Flame Nuke

well, except Melina, is COMIN FOR DAT ASS.

>>715819613
they simply overcame their dark nature, which is the point of humanity.

humanity isn't evil, but can give in to their darker nature, or overcome it.

unless people want to convince me the Dark Wraiths, Manus, all the faggots from Ringed City, the Bugs are.. going to be great, loving people.

>>715819554
NTA but I don't think the implication is that you just sit on your ass after becoming Elden Lord. You have the power to fix the world on your own after the game ends.

>>715818653
Because ever since Dark Souls, the ambition of the rejects and downtrodden has always been finding a Dark Lord powerful enough to contain and use humanity without being corrupted, and usurp the Flame. This is how the 4 Kings came to be, and likely many others up to Friede who simply failed
The people of Londor are revolutionaries and freedom fighters, they only want to hurt those that served the pro-Fire establishment like Orbeck, a ruthless assassin of the Archives.
>>715818839
It would be easy if you just paid attention
>>715817759
The Abyss festers whereven it is contained, where it becomes a curse ready to swallow all. There's nothing evil to it. The Locusts actually defend their territory and see the player as a foreign invader.

>>715819336
you listen to an ancient Jew God (Demon).

the results are expected.

the same people who think the dark isnt that bad probably think that earth is flat because everyone else says its not

>>715817515
>Headcanon
It's all fucking headcanon you schizo.

>>715819793
It festers whenever you try to do anything at all with it, whether you are nice or not. Locusts attack you because they have a taste for humans.

gloam eyed queef

>>715819761
>You have the power to fix the world on your own after the game ends
90% of the tarnisheds NPC quests end with the NPC killing themselves, getting killed, or getting killed by the tarnished. If the tarnished tries to actually help the people hes going to wipe out more of the population than the rot.

>>715819639
It's not just fun, it's completely nessecary. Anti-frenzied-flame-endingfags think that the forest can be saved again and again, not realizing that this is simply prolonging the inevitable, and making it be all the worse when it does finally happen.
Fire wipes the forest clean, so that it may once again grow. It removes all the old dead matter that chokes the new life trying to find its way within.
The frenzied flame ending leaves the lands between and ALL of its ills destroyed, and places Melina as it's new god to rebuild and reshape existence in the image she believes it should be. This is 100% the absolute best ending possible for existence itself and for Melina, but obviously the worse for your player character and everyone else as the universe hit its reset button and you get flushed with the rest of the RAM all the same.

>>715820615
fuck off Shabriri, you fucking JEW.

>>715819793
>Because ever since Dark Souls, the ambition of the rejects and downtrodden has always been finding a Dark Lord powerful enough to contain and use humanity without being corrupted, and usurp the Flame.
So it's just what Gwyn did but with the Age of Dark. Wonderful.

>>715789527 (OP)
Women can't stand to see successful men if they don't have access to those resources.

>>715820615
>he still thinks the Frenzied Flame is just a reset button for the universe and not an ending that permanently destroys the world
Some Tarnished just want to watch the world burn, anon.

>>715820697
Melina literally gets the elden ring in that ending. It's the only ending in which you can ensure it makes it into her hand. The frenzied flame ending is the Crowning of Melina ending. She is still there. She has the elden ring. She can rebuild.

>>715795330
I got really into DS1 lore, but SotFS is where I basically stopped giving a shit. I couldn't tell you what was going on in DS3, Sekiro or ER in the slightest.

>>715821175
entirely incidental, its the hopespot of the ending nothing more, Shabriri had no idea she could do that.

I believe that Age of Dark is an analogue for actual dark ages. After a civilization crumbles, men regress into their previous, lesser state (hollows). Then it's a wait until some grand individual discovers a new Flame to guide them.
Think fall of Rome -> Dark Ages -> Renaissance and Modernity. But now that dies too...

>>715795330
This but also I don't even remember which ending I got

>>715821383
That isn't a hopespot of the ending. It's the hopespot of the entire game. The lands between is not just fucked. It's fucked fucked.

>>715789527 (OP)
thats cool and all but name someone who has been through more than this dude.

>>715820129
Nope, the Locusts were a punishment to the greed and fear of the Dark of the Age of Fire
>An empty head of a white-faced locust that rose from an abyssal swamp.

>The white-faced locusts were meant to beckon men to the dark with sermons, but most of them are unable to think past their own stomachs. Someone must rise to the occasion, and restore the path of righteousness.

>Perhaps that someone is you? Did you not arise from the Abyss, and did you not resist drowning in the Age of Fire? Locusts and men are kindred spirits.

As you can see, the hollows, including those who mutated into locusts, are corrupted and led astray and need guidance after being suppressed by the tyranny of Gwyn.

The Ashen One is

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon

>>715820821
Nope, it's not exploitative of any other race. It's a new Age founded by the literal sacrifices and selflessness of the devouts.

>>715807034
>ah, you truly were... tarnivorous
Wow thanks for the insight now I understand everything.

>>715821175
>She can rebuild.
Until you come along and rape and eat her, retard. The Frenzied Flame will consume EVERYTHING.

>>715821846
>Think fall of Rome -> Dark Ages -> Renaissance and Modernity

>>715822461
It's obviously ment to be ironic, "kindred spirits" who eat you.
There is nothing that says they mutated from hollows either, they are their own race that emerged from swamp.

>>715801578
But marika gave ranni the rune of death for the black knives plot. Marika both let it happen and also was heartbroken by it, which can only be explained by the fact she's a woman.

>>715824065
Marika didn't expect her besties to murder her favorite kid.

>>715789754
I suffered by being tricked into buying Shadow of the LGBTree

>>715820615
The Frenzied Flame isn't going to leave, nitwit.
It wants to burn everything down and keep it that way.
Its goal is constant burning and absorbing everything that burns.

this, except for dark souls 1
>the world has gone to shit and people are respawning mad undead, you're almost there
>locked away in the asylum for mad undead
>but here's a key to escape
>and the idea.. the "chosen one" can ring the two bells
>do so
>talk to wacky monster that wants us to gather STRONG souls to open a door, and relight the flame of the world to fix things
>do so
>turns out that's kinda bad for you and it just creates another doomed cycle, snake monster was playing you

>>715822235
I know there is one Dung Eater shill on this board.
I've seen him.

>>715823934
No it's not
They are kindred spirits because they are humans and servants of the Dark Lord. The player is meant to become their Lord

>>715805093
They're total inverses of each other. Ass Effect and its marketing were all about the CYOA story (to the point fans complained about 2 focusing more on the shooting) and how drastic the choices upon it were, so having 3 similar endings you decide last-minute was a bitchslap to the face, no matter the context or the "it's about the journey" dev damage control that people like >>715816905 would reiterate. Elden Bling was strictly a hackey slashey action game with RPG-inspired gameplay mechanics first and a story second, like all other Miyazaki games (hell in general that's the Japanese approach to most games), the endings are just a bonus based on how you played once you brought down the final boss.

>>715824987
The only similiarity is that they both originated in the dark, but even Gwyn did. That doesn't mean they are the same thing.
>The player is meant to become their Lord
*Locusts want the player to become their lord so that they can feast on humans more easily

>>715809202
the flow of time is convoluted in the lands between

>>715814438
Radahn completely fucked over Ranni with his spell and was a huge Radagon fanboy, whom she loathes, I doubt she had much love for him

The Dark is bad but it's something that has to happen. Eternal stagnation and corruption will eventually lead to worse conditions than if you just bit the bullet in the first place.

This is also why immortality for humans must never be allowed, and any immortals should be hunted down and put to death.

>Reach three finger
>Burn the Erdtree
>Go kill Malenia
>Use the needle
>Use the Rune of Perfect Order
>You now rule the Lands Between and can marry Melina, the real endgoal of the game
The only truly good ending.

>>715828751
The Goldmask Ending is the only good one in the game.

>>715827682
>That doesn't mean they are the same thing
Yes it does. Their faces are those of hollows
They are man-faced locusts inspired by the Revelations passage of the Bible

>>715829039
Careful anon your provoke the free will sctizo.

>>715829791
It does not. Man-faced locust =/= Man (woah)

>>715800497
I will follow him off a cliff because his set means I can see tarnished booba

>>715821175
>Melina literally gets the elden ring in that ending.
You fucking burn the Elden Ring anon why do you think everything is on fire? The world reflects the state of the Elden Ring.

>>715789595
Now this is REALLY pushing it.

>>715810991
If I'm a black knives assassin, I'm certainly picking the pretty boy with zero combat experience over the undefeated swordsmaster with an AIDS nuke, the dude named the fucking Starscourge, nor the femboy who can bewitch gods with his bussy

The aura of a dead guy without any dialogue needs to be studied

>>715836459
Anon Godwin fought Fortisax (before he was corrupted) to a standstill and in doing so earned his respect and made peace between the factions.

>>715789527 (OP)
What did anyone in the game do, to deserve their fates? I think poopdrinker is the only one who is completely evil for the sake of being evil, even the Jew God that wants you to burn everything down has, ultimately, arguably good motivations, whereas poopdrinker just wants everyone to drink poop.
I can't remember her name, but there's that one chick who asks you to give her dad a letter, and when you return she's been raped and murdered by a bunch of mongrels. What'd she do to deserve that?

>>715838545
I do wish Radagon had some dialogue. Fucking insane how both Marika and Radagon have ZERO lines of dialogue despite being central characters to the entire game's lore, character relations, setting, etc.

>>715838970
Godwyn must have got drunk on that Dragussy, it's the only explanation for his foolishness
Fortissax, that ancient whore, must have known it was the only way to beguile someone with the sheer raw chad power of Godwyn

ranni is cute, therefore did nothing wrong

>>715839358
Technically Melina recounts quite a few of Marika's pivotal speeches
Not quite the same, but it at least breathes an echo of the character's demeanour

>>715839579
True, but the fact we hear NOTHING directly from Radagon's pretty weird considering how in your face he seemed to be in the lore. We only get stories of Radagon from other characters. I guess that's the point though; Radagon's very much someone who's meant to be super secretive despite being such a famous and public figure.

>>715805378
I read all the item descriptions in Dark Souls 1 and when I watched those lore videos, I tended to agree with almost everything that was said. There was like 10% discrepancy at the very most.

>>715795330
Basado. Look at all those (You)s

>>715839197
>What did anyone in the game do, to deserve their fates?
Marika wanted to create a world without suffering for humans and those who could bend the knee without threatening the Erdtree by killing everyone else. In doing so she incurred such a moral debt that everything build upon her rule is tainted.
The same way that she was the Hornsent's retribution for their crimes as a culture the shattering is hers.

>>715789527 (OP)
He's dead, so he isn't experiencing that.
I still believe in the headcanon that Godwyn x Ranni was Marika's endgame.

>>715842714
Something else to consider is that Godwyn was the Golden boy and beloved by everyone; in the wake of the shattering, Radahn, Morgott, Malenia, and others would 100% choose to follow Godwyn.

How is Ranni not an evil bitch that ruined everything?

>>715842714
>>715842804
It was the two fingers' endgame. It would be a logical continuation of their rule in case Marika would get uppity (which she was known to do). I think as well that Ranni gaslit Marika into killing Godwyn the black knife assassins in order to have him die a 'true death' and potentially ascend to godhood, but Ranni of course tricked her in order to escape from the two fingers herself as well.

>>715795330
Based. The "lore" and story is dogshit anyway, just ignore it

>>715819109
yeah idk, it's a magic sword? Lot of peope speculate the ritual is a trust thing since undead cannot truly die so there is no greater binding force of matrimony than a knife to the face.

>>715789527 (OP)
Dark Souls always felt morally grey. But there's a distinctly repulsive, nasty aftertaste to Elden Ring, where Ranni, arguably the most vile demigod in the game, is immune to any consequences for any of the horrible shit she does for absolutely no reason. Not counting the weird murder ritual they call 'marriage' in DS3, she is pretty much the only properly romanceable character in any Souls game, and she is also one of the most explicitly evil.

It's just bizarre how much of a boner Miyazaki has for such a disgusting character.

>>715797310
>No, the game makes a point that his soul was fucking destroyed into oblivion
No it doesn't. That doesn't even make sense you fucking retard. The Rune of Death's purposes isn't to destroy souls. A piece of it definitely can't. Had it not been for Ranni's ritual, Godwyn would've died a regular death where his soul didn't return to the Erdtree. Or as they know it in game, Destined Death. Nobody would've went to the lengths they did if the Black Knife fully killed him. But the problem is that he HALF died.

You faggots are so confidently wrong it's insane

>Tarnished wakes up from his dream
>"Ah, my friend. Glad to see you're well."
>"The shattering? Shardbearers? Moon shite? No clue what you're talking about."
>"Come Tarnished, it's another beautiful day in Leyndell. After granting my mother rest Queen Ranni and i have granted the omen a place to stay under leadership of my dearest little brothers Mogh and Morgott. Miquella and Malenia have been stabilized thanks to Radahn keeping the outer Gods in place, and we're all going to attend Rykard's wedding with Tanith in the coming days! I'll personally escort you on the back of Fortissax to make it so."
>"The two fingers? Ranni and i made sure to keep their influence at a minimum. Wouldn't want my wife to become a mindless slave for their sake."

Imagine Miquella's boycock twitching as he spies on Radahn training during sunset

>>715789595
Vaati has done irreparable damage to this franchise

>>715816381
DS2: SotfS genuinely has a pretty solid throughline of a story with the extra stuff they added.

>>715842959
Where do you get this idea that you have to die to ascend to Godhood?

Upon my name as Ranni the Witch.
Mother's rich slumber shall not be disturbed by thee.
Foul trespasser.
Send word far and wide.
Of the last Queen of Caria, Rennala of the Full Moon.
And the majesty of the night she conjureth.

>>715845087
I wish you could rematch bosses.
I ruined her fight for myself by spamming an OP ash of war because I hated phase 1 so much and didn't want to go through it ever again.
The game is way too long for me to want to replay up to her again.

>>715844651
Look anon, I love that tree branch freak as much as anyone else, but his monologues do not constitute a real story. A lie will remain a lie.

>>715844865
It's implied Miquella went through similar steps as Marika did in order to ascend

>>715845225
Anon you can easily get to her in like an hour casually.

>>715845417
>Load up Lies of P
>Can play bosses over and over again through a simple menu

>>715817567
>You see the tarnished coming from over the hill
>You know the tarnished's reputation
>Try to kill him before he kills you
It's a vicious cycle

>>715829791
In agree with that other anon, they aren't hollows(Hollows are souless beings, which includes lacking humanity, but they are an alternative form of humans.
They aren't being punished, the idea is clear that humanity in its true form is monstrous. Dark Souls had that constant theme that humans are by their nature dark, scary beings (I.E Black Fogs description)

It's a simple metaphor taken literally. There isn't a difference between a man and a giant monster locust that is cannibalistic.

>>715845865
Chill out Gwyn, I know you're afraid to sleep without a nightlight but you can't just let your fire burn forever. Damn thing is fucking rotting.

>Lordran
>The Lands Between
>Yharnam
If you had to choose, where would you live? As dark and forbidding Yharnam and Lordran are I think I would still choose one of them rather than TLB.

>>715846110
They'd all be genuinely awful places to live. I guess Lordran because the cosmology is the least fucked of the three and you don't really have elder gods looking to eat your soul or whatever.

>>715846110
Yharnam doesn't seem bad if you're a low tier hylic, at least before the beast scourge.

>>715806416
>>715806556
>>715806774
ok satan

>>715845367
Kinda in reverse, if anything.
Marika is implied to have been a survivor of the jar experiments, so she was a combination of traits and powers. While Miquella sheds traits and powers as he goes.

>>715843527
We truly could've had it all...

>>715846110
Lordran can be surprisingly cozy.

I would rather get chopped up and stuffed into a living jar than live in Yharnam.

>>715843527
>Elden Ring if Marika and her family were well adjusted and not psychotic idiots.

>>715846110
Lordran has my favorite NPCs, so I'd rather chill with them. Also the firekeeper slut can't speak and refuses to speak so she's open for rapes.

>>715843527
>Ranni isn't my wife
Worst ending.

>>715805727
>THE ENTIRE "LORE" IS JUST HEADCANNON FROM YOUTUBER FAGGOTS
I'd say there's a pretty big difference between
>fuck you i'm out
>i'm burning the entire world down
>i'll continue the status quo
>i will attempt to make things better
>everyone is allowed to die now
obviously these have no "effect" on the game because there is no post-game
you don't really need a cutscene explaining what you did, you know very well what you just did

>>715848937
I'd say you're pathetic for melting in the presence of literally the first woman to show you any affection, but let's be real Ranni never actually showed you affection.
Enjoy your murderous fedora doll pussy.

>>715849239
You forgot
>Everyone's gonna eat poop now

>>715807617
>shoo-in
lol

>>715849239
>everyone is allowed to die now
That's every ending, considering you release destined death into the world.
The necrofucker ending is literally just "skeletons deserve civil rights though".

>>715845865
I believe that humanity, according to Miyazaki, becomes debased when not provided with higher ideals to strive towards. Like the martial, chivalric culture of Gwyn's Age of Fire, something that makes them aim to be *more* than human, to overcome themselves.
Thinking about it, locusts might be a good metaphor for "pure" humanity. Ugly existence for the sole purpose of filling your stomach.

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>>715849358
I took the Death ending as "we turned this bug into a feature" in that people are just going to live in death from now on.

>>715817567
>Not once have I picked a fight with anyone.
Tell that to Midra, you monster

>>715849627
he seemed to be in pain, i was trying to help

>>715846110
None, I choose Drangleic

>>715789527 (OP)
No schizos can get it right. Godwyn was Marika's favorite son and she was going to give everything to him, so Ranni took the only weapon that could kill him and ordered his assassination, out of jealousy, and knew just how fucked things would turn out if everything was handed to him. Ever increasing godly influence forced upon mortals with no way to go back. I'm not a Ranni defender cause she will cast our her "consort" whom she doesn't need to walk among the stars when she relieves herself of all responsability. Just like her other followers, you're a useful idiot with not much agency other than LISTEN TO BLUE WIFE. Cortana > ranni btw

>>715789595
If you think THAT'S crazy, this will REALLY blow your mind!!!

>>715850225
>Ever increasing godly influence forced upon mortals with no way to go back
You can just kill them. Miyazaki 'gods' are just really powerful humans.

>>715819336
It's built around the idea that to exist is to suffer, and antinatalism is the only way to fix it

>>715850736
There's not even such a thing as a God in Elden Ring. The Greater Will itself is just a giant alien entity with metaphysical powers, sure, but not a God by any means.

The shattering is nothing but a proxy war between competing alien entities. There's most likely hundreds if not thousands of planets going through the same ordeal.

>>715851120
I was thinking about people refered to as gods or demigods.
Greater Will shit is alien (heh) to me and I have no clue "what did he mean by this?" tbhdesu

>>715851340
This is likely.

>>715851565
>>715851340
By this logic the Greater Will is the USA establishing Liberalism wherever it goes kek

>>715789527 (OP)
Fucked dragons

>>715820307
That is every Souls game though. Every single one. NPCs are fodder used in storytelling or to emotionally manipulate the player.

>>715789527 (OP)
is that in the DLC? I don't remember seeing that in the main game.

>>715851835
Nope. Secret area under Stormveil.

>>715822461
>It's a new Age founded by the literal sacrifices and selflessness of the devouts.
Ah, yes, really felt that selflessness when I specifically kept Anri from finding out about her best friend Hollowing so she could get used as another cog in Londor's schemes.
And Gwyn didn't start doing the exploiting until well into the Age of Fire.

>>715795330
same, story always seemed like some cringe 8th grade shit

>>715789595
AW SWEET A SCHIZOPOST

>>715843427
Typical behavior for a footfag, and Miyazaki loves his blind women and their feet.

>>715790062
Writing is satanic because it puts down what is God's word into reality.

>>715854064
Existence does that already.