Thread 715844368

Why was Pokemon so slow to adapt?

>>715844368 (OP)
It turn based rpg. Its only so much you can do with the gameplay and the battle mechanics haven’t changed much since diamond and pearl

>>715844368 (OP)
>all pokemon games is le same!
I thought this bit died out when pokemon finally started getting experimental and everyone hated it.

>>715844368 (OP)
Because Japan
They're still using faxes

>>715844368 (OP)
too much success creates complacency

>>715844470
SMT seemed to change up gameplay more.
And Persona was able to develop as a brand as a highschool relationship simulator along with turn based JRPG combat

>>715844368 (OP)
Let me guess, you need more?

>>715844723
People can still complain about past complacency
Nobody is going to complain that Yu-Gi-Oh was complacent

>>715844368 (OP)
It’s a game for kids, you manchild. It’s like asking why the jenga gameplay loop hasn’t improved since the 80s. It doesn’t need to. It’s a simple game made to be enjoyed by kiddies who wanna capture and battle Pokeman

>>715844368 (OP)
>Why was Pokemon so slow to adapt?
Because 3D isn't for it, clearly

>>715844368 (OP)
You dont need to adapt when you are the one "marking the rhythm". Even today pokemon is one of the most sold rpgs (I dont know if the best)
Dont misundertand me, I hate what pokemon is this days (and havent played a pokemon game since the 3ds), but it still is a behemoth of a franchise and their rpgs sell like hotcakes

>>715845563
EA sports had some of the highest selling sports games, but they soured a lot of their own market

>>715844368 (OP)
They hit gold the first time, all they had to flesh out mechanics more for competitive play.
Retards that want the wheel reinvented every new game are why series fail.

>>715844957
>Persona was able to develop as a brand as a highschool relationship simulator
not a good thing

>>715845213
so are Mario and Zelda yet those franchises are infamous for innovation with SMB3, Link to the Past, Super Mario World, Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of TIme

>>715844368 (OP)
Because when it "adapted" like you fucking NIGGERS wanted, it literally ruined the series. You motherfuckers just couldn't stop whining about sprites and now Pokemon has been complete and utter dogshit for 12 years. 12 motherfucking years of utter TRASH because you couldn't keep your mouth shut.

Next time you tasteless faggots try and force change, how about you force 5 bullets in a revolver and play Russian Roulette with yourself.

>>715845798
Isnt FIFA (or whatever its called this days) the most sold sport game each year?

>>715844368 (OP)
for years it was blamed on handhelds (ignore what other rpgs and games could do). Then it got to switch and everybody had to admit that gamefreak was just incompetent

>>715846369
I liked adaptations like Pokemon Snap or Pokemon Go, how did they literally ruin the series?

>>715846576
This can't be real.

>>715846526
It's typically in the top 3 best selling Playstation games every year. FIFA 17, 18, 19, and 20 are all in the top 20 best selling PS4 games.

>>715844723
Experimental how? Empty, halfassed open worlds? Totem fights which aren’t that different from gyms? Temporary battle gimmicks cut after a single gen? PLA was more of a spinoff

>>715846671
The spinoffs are still mostly fine. The main games are and have been terrible since X/Y in 2013, coinciding exactly with the jump to 3D. The low quality can be mostly explained by Game Freak pouring their hearts and souls into making B/W/B2/W2 and then putting next to no effort into X/Y and having X/Y sell MORE. They then proceeded to reuse the same models from X/Y for the next decade and make the games even easier (to the point of parody). Now all the games are for is petting your Pokemon and competitive battling. Those are all Game Freak cares about because that's all the "fans" care about anymore.

>>715846735
Let me guess, you think Gen 5 is peak innovation.

>>715846680
This is what 3D brought to the series. There are too many moves and too many Pokemon so everything has awful animations except for a couple of signature moves because those are exclusive to one line of Pokemon.

>>715847020
Not really

>>715847020
No, I think Gen 3 sucks ass and killed the remainder of the series.

>>715847020
No one thinks Gen 5 is innovative. The Gen 5 fans (myself included) think it refined the formula to the best it's ever been, and, judging by the last 12 years, the best it ever will be.

If Gen 1 was a musket, Gen 5 is an Ak-47, and Gen 6+ are all variations of squirt guns.

>>715844368 (OP)
I'll play devils advocate because i'm a certified Unovatard.
In this case, yes the core gamepaly (turn based combat with elemental weaknesses) remains the same, they did iron things out. Stuff like the damage stat split was a huge change in terms of how you approach the gameplay, making some mons much much better. And don't get me started in doubles as a gameplay format.
Likewise, in terms of presentation, Unova is gorgeous. The spritework is much much better than in previous generations and they even have iddle animations.
And outside of combat, the game is also very good looking. Masterfuly blending 3d enviroments with spritework, and also doing nifty things with camera zooms to create great setpieces.
Yes, i think gamefreak is a ver very inept and incompetent company, but i also think they did use to try at the very least.

>>715844368 (OP)
Left looks better btw

>>715847104
Was looking for this webm, thank you.

>>715844368 (OP)
Mainline game. It's dangerous to make too many changes to it for fear of scaring away the old fans. Now, a spinoff like mystery dungeon or something? Sure, go for it.

>>715847210
>And don't get me started in doubles as a gameplay format.
Doubles is genuinely awful as a gameplay format and I say that as someone who actually likes XD and Colosseum. It's a cool gimmick like Triples or Inverse Battles, but it's very imbalanced. It's why Game Freak continuously nerfs Pokemon that are innocuous in singles like Smeargle, Darkrai, and Cresselia.

Mainline was always like that
You're ignoring this was released in 1998

Pokemon inherently only works as a "light" game. This is why the gameboy ones are still the only good ones.

>>715846671
>Release the Wii U
>miss the chance for a killer follow up to Pokemon Snap
>Release the Switch
>miss the chance for a killer follow up to Pokemon Snap x2 due the Switch having the same features as Wii U
>Some interns from college get greenlight'd for a Pokemon Snap sequel instead of the ones that made the original
>These fucking interns proceed to mog GF in the most pathetic way even with their game being infected with features/mechanics from the zoomer era that simply don't have a place in there
>Still a better game than every other Pokemon game on Switch
And yet it sold like shit thanks to GF destroying the IP's reputation where only the mainline games have the shot to sell above a million

>>715846134
nta

say what you will, at least there is some form of variety

>>715846996
>Now all the games are for is petting your Pokemon and competitive battling.
And every single shallow thing irrelevant to the gameplay + the gimmick of the gen.

>>715847302
it's not about random changes, it's about progressing with the rest of the medium. Even shit like dragon quest made more progress than pokemon over that timespan. In general people will badger on about graphics but the structure and design of pokemon has gotten weak as hell. What's the last dungeon or puzzle you remember? Memorable Area? Pokemon games are lacking from a bunch of different angles. Good thing they stumbled into a golden concept so the core can hold things together even with weak support

>>715844368 (OP)
Looks fine to me. Maybe turn based RPGs isn't your type of game and you should fuck off to your own circle.

>>715848549
>Even shit like dragon quest made more progress than pokemon over that timespan
It literally hasn't changed in about 30 years.

>>715848549
>What's the last dungeon or puzzle you remember? Memorable Area?
The route in your picture is a straight line.

>>715849073
>The route in your picture is a straight line.

>>715844368 (OP)
yawnie thread... zzz..

>>715847283
SwSh is the perfect example of just getting a game done as quickly as possible to have a product to ship

*blocks your path*

>>715850519
*kills the franchise*

>>715846996
>The spinoffs are still mostly fine.
The only spinoffs being released these days are gachas.

>>715847859
>And yet it sold like shit thanks to GF destroying the IP's reputation
Holy rent free, you want to feel oppressed that badly?

>>715852174
geg

>>715852174
What game is this one? Arceus?

>>715844368 (OP)
>Square Enix tries their damnedest to peel Final Fantasy away from its turnbased JRPG roots
>Falls flat on its face
>Nintendo

>>715847104
>>715846576
Digimon has this beat lmao
Imagine being worse than digimon

>>715852386
PLA was made by Game Freak, that's the new Pokémon Snap.

>still make money when you put in little effort.
What do you think? People are really coping with Beast of Reincarnation saying they're being held back when they've released plenty of games that nobody cared about that always end of average of mixed upon release. Of the last 20 years that weren't Pokemon games, the only other game people liked from Gamefreak was Drill Dozer. The new game will likely probably do better than Giga Wrecker but I think people really need to temper their expectations. There's a reason why they keep going back to Pokemon.

>>715844368 (OP)
I unironically prefer left

>>715844368 (OP)
Design. Pokemon is a cash cow that is being milked for as long as possible. That's why things like Pokemon following you came and went and came back, its a designed cycle to keep interest in the brand for as long as possible. Why do 15 new things when you can do one new thing 15 times over 15 years? All the while merch is being sold. They only make big jumps when they feel threatened. Its why they have such a hateboner for Palworld. It does to many new things that people have been begging for for years all at once. They would have to gut their timelines and plans to keep up. Then there would be backlash as fans asked why they did not do all this earlier? That's why they went the legal route and are trying to disrupt Palworld by forcing it to remove features. They want to bring it down to their level and have Pokemon do somethings that Palworld does not so that they can slow everything back down and keep milking the cow.

>>715847104
All I hear is
>Waaa plz understand making games is hard >UwU<

>>715844368 (OP)
you're sort of right.
>they still haven't to this day rolled up buffs and debuffs into a single screen
>they still have each instance effect damage resolving separately when they could roll them all up into one message (e.g. poison, weather, recoil)
>status buffs and debuffs still resolve separately
plenty of work to do to speed up battles

>>715852530
Digimon solves the problem by having the mon do unique animations while the attack animation plays entirely independently. Which while kind of lame is at least a fuckload better than hopping on the spot statically or zooming across the screen in whatever the quadruped equivalent of a T-pose is.

>>715846576
KINOOOOOOOO

>>715852845
Digimon does the same thing, generic physical/special attack animation and then a signature

>>715844368 (OP)
Take me back to 2010, modern Pokemon is so fucking dogshit

>>715853857
They aren't static movement applied to the model with no animation, so not really.

i wouldn't be surprised if they are still running the same battle logic code morimoto wrote in 96

>>715844368 (OP)
The series was better for it, 3Dnigger

>>715853083
>I'm a pretentious twat that sucks cock

>>715844957
Wasn't SMT originally a dungeon crawler?

>>715844368 (OP)
I would prefer if more games held to their original mechanics and gameplay because that's what I enjoy.

I don't want games to radically change the gameplay and usurp the original mechanics. That's not what I enjoyed.

Why haven't caimens, crocs and gators?

>>715852530
>Digimon has this beat lmao

>>715854528
Much like other JRPGs of the era it was modeled on Wizardry, yes.

>>715854639
I mean, the model is animated, so that's at least more than nothing.

>>715853857
Every digimon in Cyber Sleuth/Hacker's Memory has,
>being hurt
>basic attacks
>using items/support moves
>idle animations
>a unique animation for their special attacks
>two more being hurt and attacking animations for when they're inflicted with Dot Status and change their model to "2d sprite" versions (which is what Substitute should have done)
>a victory animation
Pokemon has no excuse for not having at least this much. They don't even have the numbers excuse now that they do the limit Dex availability thing.

>>715855031
That's even more than SMT V pretty cool.

>>715854952
>>715855031
Do you even know what Pokemon games look like?
>>715855096
No it's not, do you guys play videogames? You're jerking off idle animations?

>>715852818
the battle thing is one of the most obvious problems for years yet they seem to have no interest in updating it which is weird since they've streamlined just about everything else in the game

>>715855301
>Do you even know what Pokemon games look like?
Yes. I've played and liked every one except the Hawaii ones I didn't play. They had a great thing going in Legends Arceus where they would actually run up to the enemy to smack them with physical attacks, but they ditched the improvements in the visuals for S/V. Otherwise they have less and worse animations and models than Cyber Sleuth, which is a game I don't even really like that much in hindsight.

You know, a lot of the shit pokemon designs were probably intended as products.
Everyone complains about klefki, but that would be a cool pokemon version of the baby toy.
Vanillux or whatever is for sure on the menu at a pokemon Cafe
Garbador themed garbage bags would sell really well, just put its face on them and the japs would buy it out of stock

>>715855520
The crab blinks its pupils. It shouldn't bother me as much but it does.

>>715855301
>Do you even know what Pokemon games look like?
M8 the webms have been posted in this fucking thread, pay attention.

>>715855031
don't they also have critcal hit received animations and death animations?

>>715855657
That is indeed true. Was watching some Poketuber, forgot his name, and he pointed out that most modern day mons are round and smooth in order to make modeling them easier.

This is not a design philosophy grounded in love and passion and I can see why people root for Palworld as a way of forcing Game Freak out of their comfort zone.

>>715855785
That doesn't answer the question. You're sitting here being impressed by idle animations of all things.

>>715844368 (OP)
because pokemon was always a handheld game before the switch.

>>715855909
>Do you even know what Pokemon games look like?
>Point out that said games are on full display in this very thread
>This somehow doesn't answer the question
Baffling post, but to more directly answer I've played that shit since Gen 1, as well as Cyber Sleuth and several SMT games. And since I have working eyes, yes, I do think I can recognize the difference.

>>715855787
Now that you mention it they might actually fall down during critical hits instead of wincing, but that could just be a copy of the death animation that I forgot about. I'm not entirely sure.

>>715844368 (OP)
Excuse me I have it on good authority B/W is one of the Good Ones™ from the golden era, please don't make fun of it!

>>715855031
dawg, the gameplay is digimon story is so fucking lame and boring. its trying so hard to be SMT, but, its really barebones and just not fun at all.

Pokemon was never good
They got a pass because was a portable game franchise.
It was until they tried to make a console game people and even pokefags realized how shit actually its

>>715856219
I'm not going to get into a discussion about it in an unrelated thread, but the evidence that you are an idiot is in that picture already. SMT doesn't have a turn order system like that.

>>715856030
>Point out that said games are on full display in this very thread
Yeah, through cherrypicking, you morons unironically think Double Kick is every move animation which is why you're somehow impressed by idle animations. That's not even the most egregious thing, you somehow think Cyber Sleuth has more effort put into it than SMTV.

>>715844368 (OP)
Update with 29 years of "progress"

The moment they tried to fix what wasn't broken, it sucked. Now they spend all their time making animations for hundreds of 3d models instead of great video games.

>>715856501
>you morons unironically think Double Kick is every move animation
The fact that it exists at all is really fucking terrible, shit like >>715846576 is just the cherry on top. I'm not even saying CS is good, it fucking isn't, but the fact that Pokemon uses non-animations that look even worse is appalling.
>you somehow think Cyber Sleuth has more effort put into it than SMTV.
Way to put words into people's mouths, chucklefuck.

>>715856501
So show us how many Pokemon has and argue against the point instead of being passive aggressive.

>>715846576
Not entirely sure it was all gamefreak's fault when they can make a much better looking trailer for their own game

You DID skip scarlet violet right?

>>715856364
pokemon always stood out for the following
>1 game for the price of 2 and trades and battling
>symmetrical stats in an RPG with the computer playing under the same rules using the same moves, mechanics, and formulas (99% of the time)
>portability across titles
>relaxed comfy setting where you set out to become the local champ with relatively down to earth stakes in a world that's like reality unless noted. at worst you face the incarnation of a natural phenomenom, but no demons or weird religious cults, no alien races from another planet, no lovecraftian interdimensional reality-warping horrors, no cyborgs or mutants, no new world order wacky conspiracy theories, etc.
meanwhile your average rpg isn't that laid back, and the vast majority of them feature asymmetric stats and multiplayer is an afterthought at best (if it's in the game at all).

>>715856779
I skipped X/Y and just kept skipping ever since.
except ORAS which was still kinda shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caMXNg9lhG8&list=RDcaMXNg9lhG8&start_radio=1&ab_channel=GreekWeavile

Because they simply liked making 2D.

>>715856219
>The low quality can be mostly explained by Game Freak pouring their hearts and souls into making B/W/B2/W2 and then putting next to no effort into X/Y and having X/Y sell MORE.
New hardware, updated graphics, better multiplayer, and a really popular battle system.

>and make the games even easier (to the point of parody).
This is not true anymore.

>>715846996
>The spin offs have been fine, nigger it wasn't until Switch that we had actual spin-offs and not mobage crap that it is already dead.

>>715857218
That boss isn't really hard in a vacuum. He's difficult because it's basically a 7 Pokemon Champion boss at the end of a game not really built around actually fighting much so you're not likely to be prepared, but the fight itself isn't that notable.

>>715844470
*cough*

>>715856659
>animation when entering battle
>idle animation
>physical move animation
>special move animation
>sometimes a third animation for either physical or special depending on the pokemon
>fainting animation
>animations for when the trainer interacts with the pokemon outside of battle (amie, camp, etc)
>sleeping animations
>lgpe riding animations if you want to stretch it

>>715857798
>knucklebow clipping through her fucking hand
Holy fuck, just why.

>>715846526
It's nowadays called "Football Time <Year>"

>>715855450
Elaine is such a qt. Such an underused heroine. Ponytails plus a cap and short shorts is a winning combo.

>>715844368 (OP)
>was
still is

>>715844368 (OP)
Don't fix what ain't broke. #1 media franchise in the world basically every year since

>>715858554
Built to be caught by and worship Green

Everyone that cries about lack of progress just want to play the Ash anime. That's it. But you can't even make actual good anime games.

>>715861694
Seriously, with current widely available tech, how hard would it be to replicate the visuals and style of the first seasons of Pokemon? Because it really shouldn't be that hard, especially if you limit the mons to just the gens of that era. Basically what the Lets Go games should've been.

Have you scarlet/violet? They’re still putting out games that look 15-20 years behind everything else despite being the biggest richest ip

>>715862490
personally I think it's more than just plain visuals in and of themselves since you can have low-poly games with charming visuals like mega man legends. it's more the cheap look and feel that hurts it: horrid pop-in issues, painted on balconies, slowdown, plain, barren areas, pokemon rotating in-place without even lifting their feet, pokemon walking upright on an inclined plane, etc.

>>715846369
We wanted the right things. Game Freak devs are just incompetent niggers incapable of making a decent 3D game. It would have been so much more given to any other dev on the planet. We're the worst timeline. But asking for 3D was the right thing, you spritefaggots were never right and you still aren't.

>>715856779
why would i, it's the best pokemon game made

>>715861694
Yes, there is even a demo game made by a single guy and it's exactly what I dreamed of. i forgot the name but I'll boot my PC and tell you.
It is possible, I swear some game communities have Stockholm syndrome, they only play their game series and are completely blind to the amazing stuff being made all around them so they have 0 standards.

>>715863424
>Land-dwellers hate him! Vertibrates seethe at his very existence! You wouldn't believe what plantlife and funghi have to say!

>>715844368 (OP)
they gave up after gen 2 and stopped improving on the game

the games sell anyway so it's not like there's any pressure for them to improve. They can put out completely broken slop and no-one even blinks, it's just how it is

>>715844368 (OP)
gamefreak are the only studio that's allowed to make mainline pokemon games and they're utterly incompetent

>>715844368 (OP)
Gen 5 fights looked like shit due to your own pokemon being a piece of wobbling low-res pixel slop.
The static still image of the previous gens and the functional 3d model of the following gens were a hundred times better.

People here really want to give up a perfectly fine gameplay formula just because they have adhd and want something different for the sake of it. Watch how the moment GF listens and turns Pokemon into another action RPG series, you bitches will start crying about it and wanting old Pokemon gameplay to return. Just like with Final Fantasy, too.

>>715864105
What do you mean? Their first Soulslike (L:A) is the best game in the series. That's a good thing

>>715844957
Persona regressing like that isn't exactly a good example anon.

>>715864334
>Soulslike (L:A)

>>715847210
>The spritework is much much better than in previous generations and they even have iddle animations.
Do zoomers just say anything on here? The spritework in Gen V looks like shit. 80% of them are reused from past gens, blown up, and given a lazy puppet animation you could make in 10 seconds with photoshop

>>715857798
>add rollslop and parryslop to turn based games
that's not the win you're looking for

>>715846576
>Then it got to switch and everybody had to admit that gamefreak was just incompetent
For real? I've seen so many fans blame the new games' issues on the Switch's hardware (which IS pretty shit but it can run BOTW just fine which is much more ambitious) and Nintendo forces them put them to put out yearly games with no budget. Considering they can still put out other games that actually look like they put effort into it, I'm guessing they got more than enough time and money and they just stopped caring about making Pokémon good.

>>715864530
>Do zoomers just say anything on here
You just kind of proved that you do.

>>715864683
>and Nintendo forces them put them to put out yearly games with no budget.
Nintendo is 100% hands off with them just like they are with other third party developers. They just suck, that's why that beast of reincarnation game looks even worse than pokemon.

>>715844368 (OP)
because only retards play Pokemon, and they hate change

>>715864860
I know, but that's what the fans that I've seen always claim. This is of course ignoring the fact there's zero proof of this being the case, the devs have never said Nintendo is forcing them to do anything and no other third party Nintendo has worked with has said they're slavers. There are stories of Miyamoto being intense at times but I think that's it.

These people just need anyone to blame but Game Freak. It's simply not possible for them to admit that the studio is incompetent, complacent and too small for the size of the franchise and the scope of the games they make. They're too emotionally invested in the franchise to be logical about it. And I kind of get it, because I used to be a huge fan of the franchise too, but I haven't bought any games since HGSS. I just stopped caring around the same time the devs themselves did.

>>715852174
You have summoned the Joe

>>715844368 (OP)
Because it became a huge franchise, making significant changes became extremely risky and threatened a lot of money. In retrospect I'm surprised BW happened.

>>715864105
>perfectly fine gameplay formula
it's full of cruft. just look at >>715855520
enemy's ability triggers 3 times. you get to see the same animations play over and over
then you have the fact that the games keep getting casualized. I'm talking about stuff like forced exp share with no adjustments to make up for increased exp yields, forced affection mechanics, excessive handholding, etc.
the other big problem is the poz that's taking over. nobody likes nogs, dangerhairs, androgynous girls, and ugly roasties. they should keep pokemon japanese, not pump it full of globohomo cultural marxist garbage
I'm not big on multiplayer so I can't really opine on the state of the meta

>>715865347
back to /pol/ loser

>>715863430
It's pokemon generations reboot
https://www.indiedb.com/games/pokmon-generations-reboot-download-avaliable

Sprite Pokemon games unironically look better than 3D Pokémon games

I still enjoy playing pokemon games even the bad ones (except the sun and moon games)
Perhaps it's because I hate niggers

>>715865496
>shartytroon
but of course

>>715844368 (OP)
Pokemon should have stuck with 2d and never went to ugly fucking 3D.

>>715844368 (OP)
>gen 1-4: don't fix what's not broken
>gen 5 onwards: try to "fix" what's "broken"
>game quality utterly shits itself
pokemon needs to take the 2d-hd pill, pronto.

>>715844368 (OP)
I want this back soooo bad

>>715864530
On a tiny shitty DS screen the warping sprites looked acceptable. It wasn't mean to be inspected blown the fuck up on your PC emulator.

>>715867329
It's more
>gen 1 to 3: don't fix what's not broken
>gen 4: destroy everything and make it worse
>gen 5: fix everything that was broken in 4
>gen 6: try to "fix" what's "broken"

>>715850519
How the fuck did they fumble this one?

>>715867770
>gen 5 internet defense force arrives within 15 minutes
tippity topkek

>>715844368 (OP)
then is went 3d and turned to dogshit because gamefreak are incompetent retards

>>715867770
More like
>gen 1-4: develop and refined the core concepts
>gen 5: make the best version of what exists
>gen 6+: ruin everything with stupid gimmicks

>>715868089
kek
>>715868173

>>715867770
I'll never forgive what gen 4 did, the only good thing it brought was the physical special split but it wasn't worth them killing contests and secret bases

I think it's time to move on, lads. Even when you're older, pokemon still doesn't quite scratch that itch because now instead of improving their 2d sprites and animation, they've gone full chinese mobile game tier with godawful 3d, terrible designs and Quest 64 tier landscapes on ''HD'' consoles.

I'm looking forward to that new Digimon RPG and I like the environments they're showing off - unfortunately bandai fumbled their time in the limelight so no matter how good it is pokefags will stick to their trash and ignore digimon. I also recently bought Cassette Beasts for like $3, is it shit? I guess I'll find out soon enough.

I sometimes do jump on Pokemon Showdown for randbats though because pokemon competitive is surprisingly in depth.

>>715867770
>gen 5: destroy everything and make it worse
FTFY. BW are fucking terrible games and the Dream World is still the dumbest shit they’ve ever pulled.

>>715864683
That excuse doesn't hold up. It can't excuse the poor graphics or models as we've seen way better looking switch titles, it can't excuse the PVE gameplay or designs getting worse either. There's not even a year between games, it's about 2 years of we're generous and count from the last expansion pack DLC. They're just not very good developers in any regard, only really the artistic side seems to remain decent and even that's arguably getting worse.

DS 3D looks fucking horrendous. Sticking to 2d sprites at the time was for the best.

>>715867770
unovabort thinks he's on the team

>>715867770
You triggered yawnfag

The only sliders of mainline Pokémon games are how easy they are and how shit they look. Everything else has been stuck since its inception.

>>715844723
>when pokemon finally started getting experimental
Good joke anon, really good one, the only time Pokemon "experimented" was when they introduced double battles, took them years and is still not the principal way of battling in the games

>>715844470
The problem isn't that is turn based, the problem is that is turn based on fucking dragon quest 1, where you only had a single character because lack of knowledge by the devs. This is exactly why levelling just ONE pokemon is enough to steamroll the entire game.

>>715844957
SMT had bad gameplay so they had to change it

>>715846182
>all old games
You know if you talked about the newer ones none of that would be true. Zelda released the exact same game they did before, with a gmod physics gun and genshin impact towers after 7 years for full price.

>>715845054
They cut off that clown niggas ankles in the anime

>>715855520
This is taking forever...

>>715864357
Persona never had a real identity and was brain dead easy from day one, Atlus made the correct choice by turning it into a complete visual novel, my only complain is that Shin Megami Tensei 5 and Soul Hackers 2 sucks

>>715856649
>the fact that it exists at all is terrible
Double kick is intentionally programmed to do the non-animation, it’s not some matter of developer incompetence they deliberately want it to do that instead of playing the physical attack animation twice. Twinkle tackle is a Z move which has to work for every Pokemon and presumably they were going for the same vibe.

>>715844368 (OP)
I like that pokemon has kept the very core gameplay the same. Besides it's like grown more complex in other ways like abilities and moves with more complex effects and then just simple stuff like evolution methods and alternative gameplay methods (I want OG contests back).

So this image is really misleading.

>>715844368 (OP)
Don't fix what ain't broke.

And if you try to fix it we will sue you. Fucking sue you motherfucker don't you dare try to improve our slop with "innovation" and shit like that. Fuck you.

>>715845054
>Nobody is going to complain that Yu-Gi-Oh was complacent
You don't know anything about Yu-Gi-Oh since the biggest common complaint is that it changed too much.

>>715856649
>but the fact that Pokemon uses non-animations that look even worse is appalling
This is the kind of shit that makes it obvious that you people only ever play pokemon because I mean, monster tamers tend to have anywhere between 250 and 500 monsters not counting dlc and you expect them to unique animations for all of them?
It doesn't matter what game you're looking at either because they all use some generic animation somewhere even in CS and SMT.

>>715845290
Pokemon innovated in other ways
Gen 1 with link cable support, battling and trading friends
Gen 1-3 with transfering mons between different games and even onto console games like stadium or from collosseum and channel to gba.
Which other jrpg series lets you use units in a new release that you raised almost 30 years ago?
Then you had a lot more different types of merch and media interconnected like the tcg with codes on it for optinal battles ingame, e reader cards, irl event items, shit like the pokewalker or pokemon go.
Pokemon as a game series is deeper than most today, they just suck in some embarrassing ways like forced baby mode difficulty and technical issues

>>715870238
Thing is, yugioh hasn't changed all that much outside of the speed of the game. Sure people complain about every new extra deck addition but the only awkward one was pendulum otherwise it's not too different to what was already there. If you understand how tributing and ritual summoning works then you're going to understand Xyz, Link and Synchro.

>>715844368 (OP)
>smarr Japanese deveroper makes the same kind of within-their-means handheld RPG for as long as the platform can support them
You love to see it.

>>715844368 (OP)
Because when nips find a neat concept they iterate to death and milk it dry. Same reason why they kept making four dudes in a line games for 30 years. deeply uncreative people.

>>715868510
>Quest 64 tier landscapes
That would be an improvement over Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet

>>715844368 (OP)
They really wanted it to be a low effort handheld game forever. Development didnt cost them shit, but it was insanely popular. This meant skipping out on attempting mainline pokemon on their actual home consoles, just spinoffs. When pixelized handheld games died, they were forced to adapt, but they were still stingy. Pokemon was supposed to be FREE money. Its just principle.

pokemon should have gone to 3d much sooner
imagine a game working like boku no natsuyasumi, stick the pokemon rpg layer on it and voila
could have shared art direction between the game and anime as well, shit worked on PS1, could have worked on anything that wasn't a gameboy

>>715844368 (OP)
Why change something that is perfected?
Change is Jewish.

Me at 14
>make pokemon 3D already!
Me at 36
>make pokemon 2D again!

>>715856364
I find this amusing.
The blacks and the trannies are the actual bad part.

>>715856779
Pokemon Scarlet is amazing.

>>715857641
More like it's hard because fucking Giratina cannot be successfully hit and hits like a truck for supereffective or neutral.and debuffs are worthless in this game.

>>715844368 (OP)
>progress

>>715872582
Lmao

>>715872917
And? How is that related to what I stated?

>>715846369
Just look at the absolute state of these sprites, no wonder people complained

Gamefreak have operated on the bare minimum on the basis of "they'll buy it anyway" mentality.

And so far it's worked very well for them.

>>715856779
I emulated Scarlet so I could see for myself how shit it was. Never playing nuPokemon ever again. And I'm never giving a single penny to Nintendo.

>>715846576
The Switch is underpowered though. If Pokemon was on a different system, it’d actually have good animations

>>715848549
>>715849801
>how to tell everyone you're 25 and shit colored without actually saying it

>>715857798
>fotm goyslop

>>715844368 (OP)
They learned that the majority of their fans accept mediocrity and became complacent with that. It's a shame because I used to like Pokemon, but I've since moved on to Palworld.

>>715844368 (OP)
right is too busy
battle design peaked in gen 3

>>715844368 (OP)
you don't need to fix something that isn't broken
compare it to digimon who has like 10 games that are all completely different genres and they're all flops

>>715874398
Yeah and if some one does manage to come up with a fresh take they can just say they copied them and sue the fuck out of them with their never ending money pile. It's OK the die hard stabs will back them up and tell them hey are right

>>715874160
Oh shit Katress run-in

>>715864661
>it's ok when nintendo does it though!

>>715874683
Does what?

>>715874634
Good thing that's never happened. They've only gone after people who deserve it.

>>715874664
I thank her for helping me collect more dog coins