Thread 715921378

Could Batman realistically defeat any Superman villain?

Does he get prep time?

Lex Luthor, Toyman and Metallo probably, the rest are too powerful

>>715921502
Yes

>>715921631
Yes

>>715921378 (OP)
no

>>715921378 (OP)
He's beat up Superman and his rogues gallery before so yes.

>>715921378 (OP)
Probably not Darkseid.

>>715921378 (OP)
Most of Superman's villains are just regular humans, yes.

>>715921774
Even Darkseid and Imperiex?

He could beat most of the Smallville roster.

>>715922125
>realistically
everytime he beat superman and his villains it was because of plot contrivances and/or superman holding back

You have to be at least 18 to post here

>>715922310
Yes

>>715922291
>Metallo
>Cyborg Superman
>Titano the Super Ape
>Darkseid
>Gilbert Gottfried

>>715921378 (OP)
Darkseid and Brainiac would be off limit

Where did the meme that Batman has no superpowered villains come from?
Ra's al Ghul gives the Justice League problems
Clayface is stronger than Wonder Woman
Joker has been an issue for both Superman and Flash

>>715922776
Lex defeated Brainiac, so I guess Bruce could too.

>>715922873
Razor Ghoul's biggest win against the League was using Batman's own contingencies against them. He's ultimately just a human with connections, on the same level of "could be beaten by just killing him and cremating the body" as Joker.

Probably a bunch. He's the biggest Mary Sue in the DC canon after Superman.

>>715921378 (OP)
Maybe a very few, others he would die or just have a draw.
>Doomsday
>Darkseid
>H'El
>Zod
>Lobo
>Mxy
>Brainiac
>Ulysses
>Cyborg Superman
>Rao
>Wraith
>Imperiex
Batman would be fucked If he has to Go up against these fellas.

>>715921378 (OP)
Hes smart enough to figure out how to trick Myxtylpik or however the fuck its spelled

>>715923114
both characters are known for being unkillable essentially, Ra's always being revived and Joker somehow miraculously surviving falls, electrocutions, etc.

>>715921378 (OP)
He's defeated all of them at one point or another because nothing about Batman is realistic.

>>715923902
>>Doomsday
dead
>>Darkseid
beat him
>>H'El
who
>>Zod
Kryptonite
>>Lobo
Batman actually beat him in their crossover book
>>Mxy
Batman would outsmart Mxy the way he does Batmite
>>Brainiac
stalemate
>>Ulysses
who
>>Cyborg Superman
Batman has beaten Lex and Metallo before
>>Rao
isn't that the Kryptonian god
>>Wraith
who
>>Imperiex
That's where the whole Brother Eye thing came from

>>715923998
>Myxtylpik
I always felt that dude was way too cartoonish to be a villain. He's basically le trickest god.

I don't know how you can question what Batman can or cannot do after the whole Batman Who Laughs thing. He can do anything so long as the writers feel like it, who cares if he's technically just a regular human.

>>715921378 (OP)
Toyman and Parasite, sure.
Lex, Livewire, Mister Mxyzptlk, Atomic Skull and Metallo are hard maybes.
Zod and Bizarro are incredibly unlikely without massive batwank.
Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday and Mongul would murder Bats
Lobo would mount Bat's head as a trophy and use his cowl as toilet paper.
Obviously they're all comic book characters and any Supes villain would probably just job to Bats if the story demanded it because Bats is the more popular character.

Darkseid is basically the one exception (if you consider him a superman villain and not a justice league villain). Arguably doomsday
Every other one yes.

>>715924940
Batman Who Keks is just an embodiment of the most retarded Batman and Joker wank, don't know why DC pushes such an obviously retarded character concept.

>>715925378
>>715923902
Lobo lost to Tommy Monaghan and Bueno Excellente

>>715923902
>Zod
Kryptonians are ez mode for batman since he has better access to kryptonite than Lex does

>>715924228
>H'El
kryptonian with telekinesis, telepathy, teleportation, time manipulation, no weakness to kryptonite

>>715925565
Lobo lost to Wolverine, Superman got clowned on by Venom, and Batkek has lost to that pedophile Deathstroke more times than I can count.
Comic books sure are retarded.

>>715925378
>lex
>hard maybe
Lex is literally just a less smart less creative less rich "evil" Bruce
It's the reason why every iteration of evil Bruce mops the floor with Supes and why even good Bruce usually beats Superman if they fight

>>715925378
I see no reason why Bruce wouldn't be able to beat Lex. They are of similar intelligence and money power, yet Bruce excells in battle IQ.
Zod too, if he has access to Kryptonite.

>>715925551
I don't know about Marvel, but DC seems to be so creatively bankrupt that 50% of their stuff from the past decade has been evil/grey counterparts based on their popular heroes

>>715925860
>Zod too, if he has access to Kryptonite.
Unlike Clark, Zod has nothing keeping him from just melting Bruce from several miles away with heat vision.

>>715925928
They're shit in different ways. Marvel cucks Spider-Man and DC makes Supermans's son a flaming homosexual.

>>715925787
>a less smart less creative less rich "evil" Bruce
Lex is smarter than Bruce. His entire thing has always been evil genius, even when he sidestepped into evil businessman over mad scientist. Bruce has also lost his entire fortune and control of his company at least once in the last decade and been forced to deal with having no money for several months worth of Batcomics, since Lex became rich he's always been rich.

>>715921378 (OP)
Not every single one
Some are too overpowered, magical, immune, plotarmor, etc. For a mortal to dealt with.

>>715923114
>Killing him
Thats the main problem
Dc heroes are retards that let evil live to kill more innocents another day

>>715921378 (OP)
depends on how much plot armor he has. "Realistically" bat gets smoked by anybody with superspeed, has nukes, eye lazers from space, can just chuck him into space, etc. Like he stands no chance at all vs a doomsday or cyborg superman. Luthor is interesting because it's a chess match and often wins somehow even when he loses

>>715923902
>>Imperiex
damn its been too long since i last heard of this wannabe Galactus

>>715922310
Even Goku loses to prep time

>>715924404
His shtick is being one of the most powerful beings in all of DC but just fucking around and limiting himself for fun

>>715925665
We have a bunch of kryptonians these days and a few offshoots, both new and old: Daxamites and Phaelosians. Everything became "a family". Superman family, Batman family, Flash family, even Mr. Terrific, which is about to become really popular, already has a family, I think.

Batman can defeat any villain except himself

Are Preptimefags let's be real, they aren't actually Batman fans the most obnoxious fanboys on the internet? I'm sure there has to be some obscure anime fanbase that gives them a run for their money.

>>715926379
But he beat Zur-En-Arrh

>>715926386
Gold experience requiem and accelerator fags are the closest
Aizenchads have fun with their "keikaku" memes because they recognize Aizen is a known jobber when the brightest lights come on

>>715926386
It just became a meme around a character who is very much human, but it's able to defeat flying gods. For example, even the most die-hard honest Batman fan knows that the moment he pulls a Kryptonite, Superman could immediately launch a laser on his hand, blow the rock away with his super-breath and fly him straight into the sun in a less than a dozen seconds. Batman only makes sense in the Justice League when he's paying for it, or coordinating a plan or attack from afar.

>>715921378 (OP)
Maybe Lex.
Otherwise he's cooked. You see most Batman villians are just mentally ill guys, mafia bosses or both. Except Bane and Croc.

>>715922426
>he did it but it doesn't count!

>>715926386
Any discussion about who would win what over fictional characters is fucking retarded to begin with. The person the writer writes to win is the one that'll win. If you're genuinely getting asshurt over this stupid shit, just kys now.

>>715925957
>The second Zod moves a finger the neuroscrambler's from one of Wayne's 20 satellites comes online, followed by a kryptonite hammer of dawn

>>715926645
Batman has this issue where his setting just doesn't make sense in a world full of god-like super beings. Even setting aside any logical issues, it just conflicts so heavily with the darker detective noir tone of Batman when you have a guy in bright spandex flying around the next city over.
Marvel has the same issue with X-Men. X-Men feel so self contained and the mutant struggle feels so disconnected from the rest of the caped shenanigans. You can tell Marvel struggles to find ways to tie them into the rest of the universe during big events.

>>715927059
Laser eyes don't require moving a finger batsister...

>>715926767
I mean Clayman also has pretty insane powers, he just suffers from the Sandman issue where he has to be retarded with his powers to justify the hero winning.

How does Batman even get kryptonite?

>>715927154
>Clayman
Fuck, Clayface, you know who I meant.

>>715927194
Plot convenience.

>>715921378 (OP)
Tech + Preptime = Yes

If Lex Luthor can do it, Bruce Wayne can too.

>>715927061
Marvel struggles, yeah, but I still feel they do a much better job not mixing things too much. DC just jumble everything together and call it a day. To be fair, what DC does is akin to what Marvel did in the MCU with Avengenrs. Are you seriously putting Hawkeye and Black Widow in the same team as Thor and Hulk? At least Iron Man has a better excuse, but the other two are so puny you feel they could have die from a jump in the ensuing chaos. Captain gets a pass because of the serum, but it's not that much better.

>>715927194
In the comics they always have bullshit excuses of people bringing them to earth from all over. Also some heroes and villain capable of matter manipulation just outright "know" how to make them.

>>715921378 (OP)
If he shot him in the back of the head with a kryptonite bullet he could unless they added hearing faster than the speed of sound to the list of Superman's powers

comics are so fucking gay

>>715927061
that's only a problem because Gotham got a bit too dark and gritty in the name of realism. The OG green lantern is from and operated in Gotham right with Batman. Them trying to be too hardcore with Batman is also why Robin seems absurdly ridiculous in a lot of ways even though he's a crucial staple to batman's character

>>715927630
Superman is almost as fast as the Flash. He would be seeing him from a mile away

>>715926645
https://youtu.be/Yc6pkKXxZGs?t=14

>>715921378 (OP)
>>715921502
>beats literally anyone and anything if given prep time
>gotham is still one of the most dangerous, crime infested shitholes on earth
At what point does Batman finally realize this masked vigilante stuff only goes so far if the justice system is so corrupt? Why doesn’t Bruce Wayne just run for mayor and institute a net 0 policy on crime?
>I.. I can’t be the judge, jury, or executioner
>I.. I wouldn’t stop
JUST APPOINT NEW JUDGES BRUCE. THE CURRENT ONES ARE ALL BOUGHT.

>>715922873
>Joker has been an issue for both Superman and Flash
This is just not true. The one time Joker went to Metropolis, he got laughed at. And Flash just ran him back to Gotham.

>>715928154
Because Batman was never supposed to get that deep. Kids just wanted to see a guy in a batsuit punch violent criminals and madmen but hacks couldn't help themselves

>>715928382
Beaten to a pulp criminals + free healthcare provided by Wayne Enterprises = Infinite factory of punching bags. Batman's a genius.

>>715922201
>>715922310
There was that animated movie that I only watched because Supergirl was hot as shit in it where Batman outwits Darkseid and forces him to concede. It's been so long that I forget how though.

>>715925112
thats actually pretty cool

>>715922873
Clayface is not stronger than Wonder Woman lmao

>>715922426
Nah, comic book power levels are inconsistent and depend on the author
Superman is a rape victim btw

>>715921378 (OP)
if he fills the planet with kryptonite gaz or metal yes

>>715928382
Wayne Enterprises funds a whole bunch of shit like that though. Just before they started in on Hush 2: Whispering Mummy Boogaloo they had Wayne attacked by retards calling him a communist for providing homeless shelters and free healthcare.

>>715928781
He just bluffed that he would explode the planet by revealing to darkseid he had his code omega something

>>715925665
yeah fuck your mary sue character with no weakness
give batman the batgodsuit with no weakness and he wins

>>715922426
It's because Superman loses to a fucking glowing rock

>>715928781
Darkseid has a bunch of planet destroying bombs. Batman cracked the encryption and threatened to level Apokolips if he didn't let Kara go.

>>715928951
Yes he is. This is in a Wonder Woman comic too
Also Batman and Catwoman regularly beat her arch enemy, Cheetah

>>715929181
Every single time Batman has tried to use Kryptonite to beat Superman it doesn't work

>>715927194
by being rich

>>715929247
That's not even true
Also Superman was a rape victim

>>715929048
It's because people want a strawman to punch. By making Batman into a representative of the evils of the rich, they're able to use him for their criticisms. They don't actually care about Batman; in fact, they don't like Batman at all. No one who actually likes Batman would turn him into political/economical strawman to criticize.

>>715928919
It's from "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", a sort of "what if Silver Age Superman had a proper conclusion/send-off?" two parter. It's absolutely worth a read, one of the best Superman stories.

>>715928382
it's just somewhat satisfying to see a regular human being go toe to toe to godlike beings with cheated superpowers even if it makes no sense

>>715921378 (OP)
Batman is just a guy. How the fuck is he going to defeat Bizzaro?

>>715929539
Kryptonite.

>>715929562
Fair, but also somehow doubt Superman is going to be chill with Bruce holding onto that.

>>715929562
God luck, it's like a 50/50 shot that it just makes him stronger. Writers can never agree on how Bizzaro interacts with Kryptonite.

>>715922426
>it was because of plot

Yes anon, that's what a story is. Any time anything happens it's a part of the plot.

>>715929636
Several times Superman has willingly given Bruce the kryptonite specifically to use on him if the need arises

>>715929636
do you powerlevel death battle people just get all of your comics knowledge from tik tok videos or what

Batman rarely deals directly with Luthor because, unless there's some sort of bullshit involved, Luthor would inevitably lose. This isn't just the usual "Batgod" shit, Bruce is just Luthor's natural enemy, like rock beating scissors. Luthor's most consistent weaknesses are that he
A) has an ego that's even larger than his intelligence
B) is prone to overlooking fatal details that will inevitably fuck him over in the long run
C) never double-checks his work. He just assumes that his initial calculations are correct and runs them as-is.
D) is so self-centered that he's incapable of truly understanding others or getting into their heads. It's why he's completely incapable of comprehending the idea that Superman might have a secret identity.

These four weaknesses make him easy pickings for Batman. He's probably a better scientist/engineer than Bruce is, but it doesn't matter. Luthor has the worst possible weaknesses that Bruce is fundamentally designed to take advantage of. Bruce is capable of understanding how Luthor thinks. Luthor probably doesn't even involve Batman in his calculations in the majority of his plans to defeat Superman and/or the Justice League.

>>715929859
kek, why is so SO S.O.Y

>>715921378 (OP)
I think brainiac will be the most challenging one for batman to beat. The rest would be easy provided batman has the right tools at his disposal.

>>715929904
I shitpost and then I learn what i learn. You're lucky I am even speaking to you capeshitter.

>>715921378 (OP)
Yes. He's defeated Lex Luthor and Metallo before.

>>715924940
>Batman Who Laughs
HEEMED by Superboy Prime.
Humbled by Alfred + some electric harpoons + Batman temporarily going nearly as crazy
Finished off by Sun-sama

Also Wonder Woman did a thing.

He can probably beat Metallo if he knows what he's getting into ahead of time. For what it's worth, it's generally unlikely for Metallo to ever show up in Gotham, which usually means that Bruce wouldn't be caught off guard by him.

Does make you wonder why he brought no specialized equipment in that one Batman/Superman run.

>>715921378 (OP)
Yeah, all of them

>>715921378 (OP)
If batman had the powers of superman would he have solved the problem of crime forever?

>>715921378 (OP)
Pretty sure Wayne Industries and all its subsidiaries are worth more than Lexcorp so.... he can outrich Lex?

>>715928326
>The one time Joker went to Metropolis
what about the one time he went to metropolis and he ended up tricking superman in to beating lois lane to death then nuking metropolis

>>715921549
He can also beat Parasite, Livewire, and Lobo.

>>715921378 (OP)
Only when the writers feel like writing a highly elaborate and convoluted asspull, realistically? I think considering Doomsday would eat him for lunch but I think him and Zod (or any kryptonian for that matter) are weak to kryptonite. I think he died killing Darksied at some point as well.

>>715930879
injustice is a series where everybody does the wrong thing all the time until the serious universe stepped in and stopped them

>>715925774
>Deathstroke
Deathstroke legitimately has super powers though because DC's thought process when they made him was "evil captain america".

>>715931123
>everybody does the wrong thing all the time
But that's wrong.
Nothing Alfred did was wrong.

>>715930753
He lambasts Green Lantern every now and then for having the power to create anything he wills it, but using it to build stupid shit. When he got a ring he tried to resurrect his parents and was called a fucking moron by Sinestro. kek

Has there ever been a single writer in the history of comics who didn't try to uplift his favorite superhero by turning a superhero he hates into a blithering incompetent retard/asshole?

>>715930968
Doomsday isn't a Kryptonian, he's not weak to Kryptonite or wasn't until comics decided to give him Superman DNA or some stupid shit who cares

>>715931593
he didn't finish the job

>>715931612
At the same time when he got a ring he became a green lantern so powerful that he overrode the ring's safety protocols and killed every single green lantern and all the guardians.

>>715930879
Doesn't count because
1) It's Elseworld shit
2) It's poorly written Elseworld shit

He'd curbstomp Toyman or The Prankster.

>>715931801
ok clark stop crying, you lost, get over it

A good chunk of Superman's enemies are geared more towards fighting Superman. They're not usually prepared to deal with a ninja who relies on stealth and tricks.

>>715931990
>They're not usually prepared to deal with a ninja who relies on stealth and tricks.
That's the old detective Batman. Today he's curbstomping everything the writers put on his way. Of course, after taking a beating or losing, then having the famous prep time for a revenge.

>>715927061
I fucking hate X-Men for this kind of thing
In addition to having tech and capabilities way beyond basically anything else, they just spawn a new global threat every other week that nobody wants to deal with
Hell they literally just had Apocalypse 2 mind control the team, nuke Washington DC, and terraform the Atlantic Northwest into being toxic to humans
Spiderman is nowhere to be seen taking umbridge at this

>>715932065
Yeah I don't really like that. My ideal Batman in a Justice League role is someone who functions more as an advisor/tactician. If there's something that needs investigating, then he can do field work as well, but I'd prefer it if he didn't make a huge impact on the battlefield.

>>715928154
The explanation is that Gotham is built over a portal to hell or some shit and the city literally makes people evil. It's retarded but the story jumped the shark as soon as crossover bullshit started happening.

>>715932368
Cursed by a demon, I believe.

>>715932127
Spider-Man not getting involved I can get, he's the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man not the "defeating national or global threats Spider-Man", but you'd think the Avengers or Fantastic Four at least would get involved with the really big shit.

>>715921378 (OP)
Man, I fucking hate what they're doing to batman right now.

>>715932368
that's all tacted on shit to justify Batman being ineffective. Gotham wasn't always a shithole. The Waynes' murder was the major turning point

>>715932353
Reasonable take, I agree, but the tryhard fans would never pay for those comics/stories. Plus I don't think there's a single executive at DC willing to allow Batman to take that role seriously, despite being a huge opportunity for him to flex his genius.

>>715932628

Why? Thats an AU.

>>715932628
kek is that Killer Croc? I'm glad Absolute is tuning the horror up
It's nice

>>715931934
But I'm black. I can't be Clark.

>>715932696
It's getting more attention despite being a garbage AU and I'm afraid that's going to end up reflecting some changes in the mainline batman.

>>715932832

Pfft, no. If anything is ever going to change the mainline Batman it'll be "synergy" with whatever the latest Batman movie is doing.

This is how Batman should work.

>Starts at 20
>At first, he's overqualified for the role. He's a billionaire super ninja fighting a bunch of "normal" mobsters. But things quickly escalate to freaks, crazies and metahumans.
>After around ten years, he manages to stabilize Gotham and actually manages to clean it up. There's still the odd bullshit that he might need to deal with, but he's so skilled and experienced and has managed to accumulate a wealth of unique and specialized tools over the years that he doesn't really need to babysit Gotham 24/7 anymore, especially with the Robins and Batgirls and whatever around.
>Similarly, other superheroes like Superman and the Flash have been long-established as well. In fact, by this point, he's already had a number of team-ups with other supers, especially Superman.
>Suddenly, a huge incident occurs that forces all these great superheroes to band together. Batman becomes a founding member of the Justice League.
>At first, Batman is more of a part-timer, but as it becomes clear that Gotham doesn't really need him around as much anymore, he's able to devote more of his time to League activities. By his early-mid-30s, he's a vital pillar for the League. Gotham is in safe hands under the watch of his sidekicks, so he can be one of Earth's protectors.

Once Batman becomes a member of the Justice League, he should really be completely overqualified for dealing with the likes of Two-Face and Penguin.

>>715932751
Yeah this art is something else alright. I might have to read an issue.

>>715932823
Hold on. I gotchu

>>715932660
A lot of these series just run on too long because the writers are all hacks that can't come up with anything new.

All the best capeshit is short self-contained stories, the second you start doing team ups, expanded universe, crossovers, and worst of all the multiverse, all the stakes go out the window.
They need to ass pull reasons for Gotham to stay a shithole forever because otherwise Batman would eventually definitively win or lose.

>>715932628
I don't like the babyface this artist gave Bruce. Dude has the body of two or three linebackers fused into one and the face of a 14-year-old.

>>715933027
That's a common criticism, resurfaced due to one of their recent covers
Pic related

>>715933126
Look at his tiny head, goddamn.

>>715933126
lmao. That looks silly. I can't imagine how it was approved by all those guys running the comic.

>>715933010
Team-ups have been such a major element of Batman's existence that I'm not really sure you can put it away. The real issue is that superheroes have become too "mature" for their own good and Batman arguably got hit the hardest by this. Now everyone wants Batman to be "grounded" and "gritty".

>>715933126
That's NOT good jesus.

>>715933239
Its Absolute DC. The whole point is to be over the top edgy and goofy.

>>715933010
I don't mind the expanded stuff but the fundamental problem is these stories are expected to run forever. Even with some of the better stories in-between they can and often are undone or undermined by a future guy. Batman is much of the same but he's an odd case where there's enough good growth and progression that you could put together a damn good "modern" batman story from post-crisis to flashpoint with some decent enough curating

>>715929207
This wasn't because he was stronger than her. It was because she is also made of clay and he was able to absorb some of her, when it comes down to physical strength they aren't comparable. She manages to break out of him while weakened a few pages after this lmao

>>715932660
>that's all tacted on shit to justify Batman being ineffective.
Actually, it's all tacked on shit to handwave reader autism.
Instead of treating all these stories from this character made in 1939 as self contained worlds featuring the character, readers instead chose to treat it as one ongoing saga of one man's war against crime in the city. To that end their autism goes "durr y go hams still got da crime even wit batman?" so a whole handwavey explanation of Gotham being built on top of a hellhole that feeds the bat demon god Barbatos came to be.
There's a reason that ongoing anime shit like Jojo or Dragon Ball or Naruto resorts to globe trotting/planet hopping, and that's to avoid fuckwits spewing the most retarded shit about their fictional characters being incompetents.

Batman -- Bob Kane (jewish)
Superman -- Jerry Siegel & Joe Schuster (both jewish)
Spiderman -- Stan Lee (jewish)
The X-men -- Stan Lee & Jack Kirby (both jewish)
Captain America -- Joe Simon & Jack Kirby (both jewish)
The Incredible Hulk -- Stan Lee & Jack Kirby (both jewish)

Need I go on?

This is like debating pepsi vs coke, both owned by the same supercompany.

>>715928962
>comic book power levels are inconsistent and depend on the author
This, it depends on the author, sometimes they're mary sue and sometimes even superman jobs to someone weak. hell i can even rape batman and superman if i'm the author and it will trigger the comic book fags

>>715933681
>readers instead chose to treat it as one ongoing saga of one man's war against crime in the city
comics literally did that to themselves and tossed reboots, universe realignments, and all other kinds of shit. You can't get mad at fans when the writers/company itself pretends that these are comprehensive stories with build up and consequences. They could have just kept going with episodic, loosely contained stuff but they pivoted into more serious and continuous story telling

>>715932832
if the editors at DC are anything near the guys running the show at Marvel then only mainline comics and maybe the movies will ever change Batman regardless of the popularity of side-stories

>>715934018
Characters growing up, growing old, getting replaced by the new generation, were all things that more or less happened across the Golden and Silver Ages. But I think things really hit the point of no return when Gwen Stacy died.

>>715932127
X-Men should really just be its own universe. I always thought it was stupid that mutants are viewed by humans as some kind of existential threat, but superpowered humans like the Avengers, Spider-Man and FF are celebrated by humanity.

>>715934185
I really wish Grant Morrison would've pushed harder for Dick Grayson and Damian taking over after Bruce died but DC heads probably just wanted Wayne back under the cowl. It sucks though because there were some cool stories that could've been told with the successors taking over for Bruce.

>>715934018
Even episodic shit would have people go all stupid and ask how the Joker is back after Batman busted his ass ages ago.
Besides, if we really wanna nitpick, Gotham being crime ridden in spite of Batman is fine. The real question is how the fuck does crime still exist in Marvel's NYC in spite of
>the avengers
>the fantastic four
>two spider-men
>the punisher
>daredevil
>>715934178
>only mainline comics and maybe the movies will ever change Batman regardless of the popularity of side-stories
Provably false. The killing joke was a side story that was so popular that Babs getting crippled got woven into the main story with her going Oracle.
Mr. Freeze never had a wife named Nora that he was hopelessly trying to cure up until the story was introduced in Batman the Animated Series.
Harley Quinn.

Superman is the most retarded jewish fantasy I've ever seen.
A man escapes the holocaust, and then makes it his personal mission to help the goyim...uh I mean....the humans, see the light. Oh and he works in a jewey profession in the newspaper industry.
The fact he has to hide his identity says it all. This is a story written by jews, They need to blend in, conceal themselves among the average masses. While "secretly guiding them" to the light, or so their conceit goes.

This comic book stuff is fucking retarded. It was intended for children between the ages of 8 and 14, but for some reason has a large manchild fanbase. The people shitting this stuff out think you're literally retarded. You are the trashy masses of subhuman wretches who consume this slop. They think you're so fucking stupid. The worst part is, they're pretty much correct.

>>715934674
Thats not how he started, you know.

>>715934491
Unfortunately, if there was ever an opportunity to have Dick replace Bruce, it's long since passed. Bruce has been Batman since 1939, 86 years ago. Alongside Superman who debuted a year earlier and Shazam (Captain Marvel) who debuted a year later, these are the oldest currently active American superheroes. At this point, they can't be replaced anymore. Even if you tried, they'll inevitably be brought back.

>>715934891
Yeah Kinda funny how Dragon Ball fell into this pit as well with the Buu saga and Gohan getting absolutely replaced by Goku in the series he was supposed to take over.

>>715935137
As much as Gohan fans hate to hear this, Toriyama just didn't like writing Gohan as a lead character. Doesn't help that his whole character journey was resolved by the end of the Cell Saga which left him in this awkward place in the Buu Saga where he needed to regress as a character.

>>715935137
Nah, Toriyama already admitted that it wasn't due to popularity, but more because Gohan was too far outside his comfort zone. Gohan was designed to be the opposite of Goku, but Goku was designed to be an easy protagonist for Toriyama to write. So what happens when you create a character who's the opposite of what you're used to? Toriyama isn't really a good enough writer to be able to branch off like that. He tried to do something he wasn't good at, and failed. That's why he gave up on Gohan.

>>715935137
Toriyama had been trying to have Gohan take over for Goku from as early as the Namek arc, but people just kept wanting more Goku.

>>715933126
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcephaly

>>715935137
A lot of it was the childish whining fans. Toriyama became locked into shitting out the same story beats every arc because any deviations or experimentation was met with revolt.
Can't make Gohan the main character. Can't let Vegeta one up Goku. Can't remove transformations, we want more of them instead.
Down the list. The story became tiresome and predictable.

>>715922426
Comic books are inherently violently retarded. And it needs to be if you want to wank off some moron in a gimp suit fighting would be gods in gimp suits to even remotely get away with pretending that's reasonable.

It'd be a really short list of villains in the entire DC universe that batwank nigger couldn't defeat.

>>715935356
No he didn't. He struggled hard with Gohan. Don't tell me you didn't notice it. Gohan lacked any sort of driving force throughout the Namek arc, and during the Cell arc, he was a largely passive background presence until Goku dragged him off for training. It's insanely clear in hindsight that Toriyama is bad at writing characters like Gohan. He was NEVER gonna succeed with him.

>>715933126
>anons can't appreciate a pretty decent bane design
I hate this place.

>>715935304
>>715935137
Gohan was always set up to fail.

>>715935469
>stronger than his dad purely just with emotions
>got his potential strength unlocked, dad didn't
>not meant to replace Goku
Come on now.

>>715935846
The goal was to have Gohan succeed Goku.
Toriyama wasn't capable of achieving that goal. He failed. He was always going to fail. That's why he gave up. He even admitted this in an interview. He tried to do something different with Gohan, only to realize he didn't have enough talent to make it work. Toriyama wasn't that good a writer. All he's ever done throughout his career was fly by the seat of his pants and make shit up on a week-to-week basis.

>>715921378 (OP)
>realistically
Realisticly Batman would have been BTFO by his own knees and lower back. No way he's jumping around and shit, while wearing heavy armor, in his 30s.

>>715935992
Nothing about what you said contradicts what I said about Toriyama trying to have Gohan be the main protag way earlier than the Buu arc.

>>715936176
And I never said that he wasn't trying to. I'm saying he tried and failed. And that he was always going to fail. He sucked at writing Gohan. He always did.

>>715936098
Batman is easily superhuman by IRL standards.

>>715936176
>>715936251
Why don't you guys just shove it up each other's ass already

>>715936354
He sleeps like 3 hours a day. That's insane.

>>715936354
Well yeah. Even in a grounded scenario, it's completely unreasonable for a flesh-and-blood human to do what he does.

>>715936635
I could do all that, I'm just lazy.

batman is a jew

>>715935992
>>715936176
There was never any escape from the Gohan Cycle.

But could Batman realistically rape any Superman villain?

>>715936418
Polyphasic sleep is a thing. A hellish thing, but you can do it too

I wish they'd make a sequel to DC Universe Online. Its only flaw, as far as MMOs go, was having 500 paid for DLC on top of p2w elements and many other p2p elements. But even that would be fine if they made a sequel or even just a re-make ported to a new engine and making the gameplay more action combat, because the gameplay loop back in the day was a really solid grind.

>>715940017
I never even watched a single gameplay video of that thing, but I support a revival solely for the cinematic. DCU Online cinematic is fucking God-tier

>>715939743
He could probably rizz Livewire.

>>715940017
They can't. Conroy's dead.

>>715940102
They can always pay the family or his heir and keep use his voice through AI.
They did this with James Earl Jones' voice.

>>715921378 (OP)
No 'realistically' he wouldn't stand a chance against even the weakest of them.

Batman built robots/suits capable of stomping the entire Justice League. I don't even know how he is even human when capable of a feat like that. Dude has 400 IQ and if he doesn't have your weaknesses on his belt, the Batwing is about to drop on your fucking head
Fucking Mary Sue of a cool character.

>>715927194
Prep time

>>715922310
He has killed Darkseid before

>>715940383
And it's the only being who ever escaped the Omega Beam

>>715938892
gohan is currently fuarking strong and if the next arc never comes out he will remain this way

Flash could beat Superman.

>>715921378 (OP)
I don't know any of the Superman villain except Lex Norwood, but I'm pretty sure that Batman whole shtick is that he can beat anyone when given enough time to prepare and strategize, because the author will just do some bullshit where every single one of his plan works perfectly, even if it doesn't, he simply says something like "Fortunately for me, I have a backup plan, in case of my backup plan fails"

>>715940685
Those punches shouldn't mean shit to Superman, though. Faster? Ok, but stronger? Fuck no

>>715940568
>Gohan (is "fucking strong")
>New enemy is introduced
>Gohan jobs to show how powerful the new enemy is
It is inevitable.

>>715940437
Mr. Miraclebros...we JOBBED to Batchad...

>>715940017
Wait, it ended? How did the Grail plot end, out of curiosity?

>>715940967
For Flash to move so fast that Superman has trouble reading him, Flash would be gaining mass. Nearly infinite mass. Superman is pretty tough, but getting hit by near infinite mass will hurt him.

>>715941168
That's called Flash Wankery. It's (You)r headcanon and not true. Don't holla@me

>>715921502
not sure how aids medication is supposed to help him fight darkseid

>>715941168
WTF I can't believe Wonder Woman is faster than Superman AND the Flash!

I LIEK CHOCOLATE MILK

I can fix her

>>715941609
But she doesn't want to be fixed. Seriously all it took for her to go along with her boyfriend's plan was finding out he was even more unhinged.

>>715935645
I haven't read any of this thread, but as a Gohanforce-chad, I would obliterate your retarded shitposting ass IRL without even trying. Get fucking raped, bitch.

>>715940140
JEJ was the one himself that gave permission to use his voice for AI works though. Unless Conroy gave similar consent in a will the whole thing would just read as a greedy family looking to capitalize on their dead relatives famous voice.

>>715942671
>Gohan FART SHIT DIAPER
Funnyroo, homosexual!

>>715942905
>buzzwords and projection galore
Meanwhile, actual Gohan chads are ripped AF with chiseled jaw lines while you scarf down your 6th cake for the day. Lose that weight, fatass, maybe one day you will be a 6 out of 10, maybe.

>>715921549
I don't read comics but isn't lex one of the guys that could feesibly deduce bats identity and also get him into legal trouble even through corruption?

>>715928382
>Please do not feed the birds: Feeding wildlife creates a dependent population that becomes unable to fend for itself. -US Fish and Wildlife Services

>>715922310
darkseid is also a batman villian

>>715933010
>team ups, expanded universe, crossovers, and worst of all the multiverse
what's next?

>>715925774
*hebophile

>>715921378 (OP)
Yes easily he even defeats Superman several times.

I think Diana looked hot in the SS game

>>715926282
Goku has insane levels of adaptation though. I can believe Batman defeats Goku on paper, but what if Goku just gets back up and pulls out a new form or does something crazy Batman could not predict

>>715927061
dc would actually make sense if they elevated superman to preventing catacalysmic threats all the time instead of larping as clarck kent and saving the occasional cat from a tree. They could just retcon it some most the comics cover his early years where he was finding himself as a hero before being busy 24/7

"no kill" rule is retarded and probably propaganda made by people who hate you and don't want you to fight back against their fake civilization bullshit the eternal enemy is constantly trying to prop up. People would have their heads chopped off for much less than comic book villain antics 500 years ago. It is okay to kill. Our ancestors did it and built great nations by doing so. Why don't the faggots that be want modern people to kill actual problems that are fucking everyone's shit up? Because doing that actually solved the problems those same kinds of "people" create and have always created? something to consider

>>715927194
the dark knight web

>>715921378 (OP)
batman doesn't belong in the rest of the dc, his universe is more grounded and based more on the psychology than superpowers. he's a fucking pushover in the justice league, imagine being the only member who can't fly so they have to carry him like a baby.
same goes for x-men in marvel, they work well when isolated in their own universe, but on the bigger picture this mutant discriminance makes no sense

>>715921378 (OP)
No batman has to have a stupid amount of plot armor to do anything

>>715927459
It would actually be doable if they fought villian teams instead of just one guy and his mooks. Its like how in chess your queen can beat everyone but you still need to be careful about your pawns.

>>715929181
humans die instantly to like 1000 chemicals and poisons dude

>>715931189
Yet somehow he ties with robin when they fight... -_- I hate comics

>>715927459
avengers are way more balanced, thor is the only god-like being and hulk has lots of downsides and can sometimes even be a liability, the rest are pretty much very skilled humans.

>>715926379
and his wife

>>715934674
Balecause "mature" media doesn't really give nerds much to latch onto. Its like stem vs the humanities department.

>>715944198
I don't get it. Why would Batman, a high IQ morally righteous individual, marry some gutter trash serial criminal like catwoman? It makes zero sense.

>>715944198
But enough about Talia (and the dozens and dozens of second chances he's given her bitch ass just for being his babymama despite being more objectively evil than many of his actual rogues' gallery)