Thread 715952510

Why is this shit in EVERY game now? Does it save on rendering somehow or is it an aesthetics choice?

It looks like total shit. Who legitimately likes this?

It's cool. I like it.

>>715952510 (OP)
I'd rather have crystal clear image quality like the 6th generation. Are modern devs just retarded?

That's just distance fog used to hide how ugly the game assets look like.
this is what volumetric fog looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVdWWS9Iho

it's the piss filter of the 2020's

inb4 retards who think this used for performance reasons like 5th gen fog

>>715952562
oops too late

>>715952673
what is it used for then?
and dont tell me aesthetics

>>715952673

Hiding shitty LODs is a large reason distance fog is used, especially in newer zeldas

>>715952542
I miss clear colors and sharp unrefined pixels of old games. If i would want to see blurry screen i could just take off my glasses.

>>715952542
Zoomers are afraid of clear blue sky.

>>715952510 (OP)
You can really tell that the tranny who created this picture loves slop like Dark Souls 2 and hates Nintendo
>>715952586
>"piss filter"
>Game's visuals are stunning and razor-sharp. They feature a rich color palette and high contrast
What did that troon mean by that?

>>715952510 (OP)
It gives the environment more depth and realisim if done correctly. Your cherry-picked examples aren't even volumetric lighting, just bad contrast by RE engine games.

There's a time and a place for Volumetric Fog but devs keep spamming it everywhere

>>715952586
This desu. We're in another dark age like we were in 7th gen.

>>715952510 (OP)
White smog, so real.

>>715953316
That's an example of it being done incorrectly, right?

>>715952510 (OP)
It adds more graphics and that makes the game better, don't you want more graphics OP? Buy new video cards.

How video game developers see the world.

>>715953316
>RE engine games
>9 different games of which only two are RE Engine games

forced meme

>>715954330
Bottom would be accurate if the sun is shining on that direction

>>715952510 (OP)
Its a good effect but it should be used at distances greater than 10 kilometers, most devs are utterly retarded and use it at distances of 10 feet

>>715953316
Its not realistic. If used realistically, only the mountain furthest in the back would be covered by the fog

>>715954470
I wonder why this is standard practice among devs, is it enabled by default in most engines and if yes why ?

>>715955234
They use it becaise they are too lazy/incompetent to set up proper LODs or use Nanite correctly, they use the smog as a band-aid fix to hide pop-in rather than fixing the actual problem

>>715954330
Fake. The trees in the foreground isn't covered.

>>715955343
>they use the smog as a band-aid fix to hide pop-in
but it is still very much visible, just paler

>>715952510 (OP)
the problem is that it's severely overdone

>>715956289
to the point that it's foggy in-doors somehow

>>715952510 (OP)
>>715952586
A lot of western men, particular left leaning, normie or normie-adjacent, soiboys, etc LOATHE and FEAR color. They NEED everything to be drab, grey, brown, so real and, heres the keyword """"mature"""

They never aged past the age of like 13 when they made the connection that animation, colors, fun, etc = childish. They are overly obsessed with superfiiciality of how something looks and how people will view them for consumimg something.

They ignore all the masterful moments and storytelling of Lion King and themes about life and write it off as childish because its colored animation, thats kiterally it. Meanwhile theyll call th lateat live action superhero movie or John Wick about an overpowered person punching bad guys as "mature entertainment for grown up adults like me."

They freak out at the mere thought of things like Sonic, Wind Waker, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy X, Disney, etc merely existing. Ita why yiu see spergs CONSTANTLY making threads seething that these properties even exist.

These peoples core taste in entertainmemt, withou fail, revolves around things like Resident Evil, Dark Souls, Last of Us, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Castlevania, Metroid, superheros, WWE, etc

You could make Dark Souls cel shaded and colorful like Wind Waker, and conversely make Wind Waker grey and brown like Dark Souls and theyre opinions of the games would flip overnight.

These people are the true cancer killing all entertainment with their childish arrested development. Not weebs who stay in their lane, not the Sonic fans or Kingdom Hearts fans or jrpgs fans who dont bother anyone. No, its these people who invade every space and tell you how its all shit unless it conforms to their superficial color scheme standards so they dont cry at night thinking about someone walking in on them playing something with color and no zombies to shoot.

>>715955234
They're just stupid. Here's an old example.

That shit pissed me off the most in totk. Why the fick did they make it look worse then botw, holy... especially combined with the copy paste sky islands and the random rocks pasted over the entire overworld.
The new DK game doesn't appear to have the retard gas, but in return the palettes for the characters and levels are utter shit, the game looks like straight ass.
So we can get foggy messy looking game with better art and palette, or a clearer crisper looked game that's ugly and less visually cohesive. Grim.

>>715956663
There are colorful mature games like The Witcher 3, Vice City, or Cyberpunk.

>>715956683

I raged soo fucking hard at this one back in the day. The top looked fantastic.

>>715952510 (OP)
It literally only looks like that because you're looking at compressed screenshots instead of playing the games.

>>715956663
Dark Souls levels are pretty colorful.

>>715956663
>A lot of western men, particular left leaning, normie or normie-adjacent, soiboys, etc LOATHE and FEAR color. They NEED everything to be drab, grey, brown, so real and, heres the keyword """"mature"""
What kind of fucking historical revisionism is this.
The rise of brown and grey shooters was fucking RIGHT WING if anything, and associated with military shooters about killing brown people in the Middle East, and the primary consumers were duebros.
>Sonic, Wind Waker, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy X, Disney,
????
THESE ARE ALL LEFTY SOIBOY THINGS NIGGA

>>715952510 (OP)

All this fog reminds me of Nintendo 64 games in a bad way.

>>715955234
it's to hide the distant LODs because every game is now open world

>>715956663
Spoken like someone who hasn't played any of those games.

Enabling volumetric fog made Monster Hunter World unplayable.

>>715956683
bottom image represents dark souls 2 fags

>>715954470
Supposed to give illusion of distance and depth. Also covers up rendering and graphical issues. Big one is that your brain wants to gloss over it, so the mythical wider audience doesn't get upset and hurt their brain. Pic related is the average game dev now.

>>715952510 (OP)
This is an autistic 4chan meme. There's good and bad implementations of it like with any artistic method. Good implementation of it always looks better than games without it and the only reason you disagree is nostalgia goggles.

>>715956849
you're full of shit. pic related uses many promotional images directly from Capcom themselves

Fog is used to cover up shit graphics but most games with a decent background render don't need it.

>>715957118
>you're full of shit
>[proceeds to be full of shit]

>>715956941
>>715956996
Living under a rock. Im sorry your headcanon doesnt line up with reality.

You can mock me for wasting my time spending years becoming entrenching in gaming discussion in all corners of the world, internet, within journalist spaces, etc.Sure, but in the context of this argument I am more experienced and knowledgable on this topic and my conclusions are correct.

If you cant even recognize some of these basic things (westerners associating animation with children for example) you are simply not qualified to have an opinion on the matter. Go back to your mature Resident Evil subreddit

>>715957016
The graphics are too pretty to be in that piece of shit.

>>715957103
>>715956849

Always at least one contrarian, boot-licking retard per thread.

>>715956781
Yes and Vice City despite being one of the better GTAs gets ignored in favor of the worse San Andreas and 4, games that are 90% brown and gray respectively.

Idk why game devs abandoned saturation when The Witcher 3 did it and broke sales records 10 years ago.

>>715955234
herd mentality. Since everybody has these stupid big bloated budgets everybody is chasing down anything that seems "popular" to sell as many units as they can shit out

Get enough devs to spam the gray smog everywhere and others will follow suit. Bloom used to also one of these obnoxious effects back in 2005+. Another was the brown piss and shit filter in the 2010s >>715952586

the smog filter is another trend that comes and goes to be replaced with the new fashionable visual effect

I wish europeans would stop talking about the witcher like anyone outside of europe fucking gives a shit about it

>>715957228
I play CRPGs and not stuck to children's media and games like a groomer pedo.

>>715957450
So youre admitting im right

>>715957407
The 60 million people who bought it.

>>715956957
At least the N64 had a valid reason in that it was a weak system and couldn't handle larger areas without fog. Modern devs can't use this excuse and are just retards.

I always post COTW screenshots in threads like these, because the devs know how to make gorgeous outdoor environments.

Gacha games have better art direction than mature games like Resident Evil or Silent Hill because the devs aren't afraid of color.

>>715957498
yes we know europeans are brainless maggots that are attracted to the one or two products they manage to produce when not watching a girls sport

>>715956663
>Dark Souls cel shaded
But that's ZZZ and millions of people adore it more or you're talking about Code Vein which was forgotten.

Imagine the games with graphics like these. I like to imagine KOTOR remade, and this could be Dantooine.

>>715956957
Turok was great. Morrowind was better because of it.
Close distance fog is underrated. It makes worlds feel bigger. And graphics can be better.

Fog is a natural performance increaser, distance using less colour depth or blending into a theme colour. Isn't done that way, but should. Fog is much better than pop in.

Then focus on variety. What's seen looking different and impressive enough. Silhouettes and lights could loom in fog.

Be good for shooting. Shoot what looks like a person. Clear too late. Fog keeping you safe. Swordplay. Fucking degenerates discarding lightguns/Wii controls. Don't need to see a disappointing distance. If it's all tree spam it's a bad dev. Should be all space used by artists, showcasing their ideals and imaginings. Making up some culture or some future. Some way of keeping life going in whatever conditions. Maybe people trying to escape others. Set up an alternative to oppression and enslavement. Make a good world instead of whipped making a horror prison that will get worse. Punished for not being wrong or giving up your mind to parasites. The usual, what didn't struggle has no imagination. Isn't concerned with somewhere better over the horizon, earning the right to get there. Instead buying more with printed dollars or assets gained through foreclosure, getting the best through making others worse, like not being the wronged makes them attractive, as right, clean, immaculate. Scapegoats for what sees through it.

>>715952586
yep.

>>715957716

Let me rephrase, imagine other games. I think their engine could be used for WW1 and 2 games, open world RPGs, etc. Shame its in house and probably would take quite a lot of modification.

>>715953316
>depth
>realism
fog is used because they are abusing the fuck out of procgen environment and they have nothing interesting to show, not because of those 2 things.

>>715953316
>More realism
Sure, if every game is set in a misty moor in the evening but typically the atmosphere is clear

I wonder what all these games' credits look like. Hmmm...

>>715952510 (OP)
it's KINO

>>715952510 (OP)
Great news: it's only going to get worse starting from UE 5.6 where an additional fog feature will be enabled by default.

Will we ever get crisp realism like this >>715957834 at all?

>>715956593
Dishonored 2 was just peak aesthetics

>>715957935
More fog to the fog

>>715957905
Looks like the entire country of India farted into that pic. 0/10

>>715957713
ZZZ is gatcha shit and not even remotely similar.
Yes Code Vein didnt succeed purely because it was anime, despite being the same thing. Further proving my point.

In addition to the whole color and animation thing, I was tempted to bring up these same peoples aversion to anything thats tok Japanese but wanted to keep the post on ome topic.

Truth is they are also more obnoxious with their antiweabooism than weebs themselves, borderline racist against japan (which starts to be less surprising when you realize a lot of these people are im california).

Its not a coincidence Sekiro was the one From Software game all the soulsfags ignore.
Its not a coincidence people talk about KH having a convoluted plot but being silent about the convoluted plots of Resident Evil, Metal Gear, Souls, AssCreed, capeshit, etc etc
Its not a coincidence they swear off jrpgs until Metaphor does it with far leftist themes and E33 is mud colored and western.

Anyone who denies the things im pointing out today are the people in question or just lack pattern recognition cognitive abilities. Even then, these people dont really hide it. It doesnt take very long watchinfg G4, Giant Bomb, Game Informer, IGN, The Game Awards, PC Gamer, etc to get to people openly talking about how much they hate Japanese games

>>715957935
>>715957993
But why?

>>715952542
>>715952510 (OP)
both looks shit because both is over the top, also you don't know what volumetric means, because none of your pics has variable fog density in the same scene.

fog itself is kino if it only covers i.e. the forest floor or pavement of a city.

>>715958029
Gacha is our saving grace from the western menace.

>>715953191
>>"piss filter"
>>Game's visuals are stunning and razor-sharp. They feature a rich color palette and high contrast
>What did that troon mean by that?
We have unironic zoomers shilling the second shittiest era of gaming lmaoooooooooo

>>715958212
dead and forgotten games in 2 years, replaced by new dress up dolls

>>715958029
>Its not a coincidence Sekiro was the one From Software game all the soulsfags ignore.
The game that plays the least like souls is the one that gets ignored by soulsfags. Amazing observation there, Sherlock.

>>715958306
It's better than most slop churned out from the Japs and westoids today.

>>715958287
>

>>715958029
ZZZ plays better than souls and has a plot. You should try it if you hate looking at ugly games.

>>715958287
Take your meds, tranny

>>715956663
Why say this when World of Warcraft and Dota 2 has more color, style, and saturation than Nier, Xenoblade, and most tendie titles?

>>715952510 (OP)
The result of chinese and indian dei developers having never encountered a crystal clear view of nature in their lives. A reality where the natural world isn't covered in industrial bugman shit gas is inconceivable to them.

>>715958069
the developer doesn't have to design levels this way. they can get away with using default forest assets and a heavy fog layer on top.

>>715958898
Do you actually think china doesn't have huge rural areas or something?

>>715953191
>rich color palette and high contrast
did you even look at the picture

>>715952542
>Are modern devs just retarded?
competency crisis

>>715953316
imagine if AC games had good story and combat

It's literally to hide shitty LODs and culling artifacts caused by limited FPP. A charitable interpretation is that Agartha had a thicker atmosphere than Earth and that people yearn to retvrn.

>>715956663
ah yes leftist soibois, the primary players of dark atmosphere games, while mature right wing high test chads play genshin and bingbing wahoos

>volumetric
no

>>715952510 (OP)
is this even volumetic fog tho? Looks more like LCD era contrast butchering

>>715960667
It's a single layer transparent texture. Sometimes devs can fiddle with it to make closer objects less obscured by the fog but it's still a layer.
Volumetric fog means that that fog is overlapping itself and blending the transparencies together, which is costly when you are trying to do the other dumb bullshit devs are doing.

>>715952510 (OP)
It was fine in Bllodborne.

>anti soul gas
like silent hill then or tenchu

>>715952586
god i hated this shit

>>715955229
Go outside more. Weather is variable

>>715962154
fog doesn't exists were i live

>>715962154
In most of these games they use the effect even when the sky is absolutely clear.

>>715954515
Double Dash is really the best Mario Kart

some say its realistic (its not)... but who cares?
making something deliberatly ugly even if the excuse of realism is used... still doesnt mean it isnt ugly and on top of that i dont care about realism in my games lol

>>715954470
game companies should be reaching out to modders within the community to hire instead of people who have no idea what the fuck theyre doing. just seems like a no-brainer

>>715962154
And fog is an extremely rare condition unless you live near a river/lake, then it is just rare

>>715957905
>Place is called the misty woods or some shit like that
>It's not allowed to be misty because antisoulgas meme.
I hate antisoul gas as much as everyone else but you had to be a baiting drooling retard and post a screenshot of the one fucking part of that game that is supposed to be foggy and pretend there's anything wrong with it.
Same with one of the screenshots that always gets used of the RE2 remake. The one that's extremely foggy in a small room. That one is supposed to be a spore infested zone of the lab, it's supposed to have low visibility.
Mongrel idiots should play these games before randomly picking the wrong screenshots off google

>>715967197
>you had to be a baiting drooling retard
you're the retard because i unironically like volumetric fog

devs have never been outside

>>715967286
Nice screenshot. I also like how Elden Ring does its fog. It turns distant landscape into striking sillouettes.
It looks netter than the other stuff in this thread because it's not realistic at all, it's a very stylized type of fog.
The antisoul gas in most examples looks awful because it's bringing the real life fog that you'd see at 10km down to stuff that is 100m away from the camera. Again that's not what ER does so it looks good

>>715967197
why are you such a dishonest cunt you retarded ape?
no one in here has a issue if a zone or area is foggy because its in its nature and world building like misty woods or misty mountain you dishonest cunt the issue is when the entire game is misty for no reason

>>715952510 (OP)
I hate it on MHWilds
At least with mods you can adjust it now

>>715968079
The problem i have is when a game is used as an example but many of the screenshots provided are from areas that are supposed to look like that. Again my RE2 example is one.
What im saying is, if youre gonna get screenshots of a game to point out the shitty volumetric fog, get fucking screenshots that actually represent your point instead of maming you look like an idiot that didnt play the game

>back in the day, fog was used to hide the un-loaded parts of the game world because the weak hardware couldn't display it all
>now we have powerful hardware that can easily display it all, but pajeet devs that can't into optimization, so we still have render fog everywhere

because we want

>>715968303
MHWilds is one of very few games that make me feel like i need glasses every second i play it

>>715952542
Have you seen the latest San Andreas rerelease? They removed the fog and looked like absolute dogshit.

>>715953316
>see that mountain?
>you can’t go over there without closely following the road

>>715957834
Unfortunately most of the world isn’t in the alps.

>>715968601
The game just looks like ass and runs like ass.
I love Mon Hun, I bought a Wii when Tri came out and a 3DS for the 3DS games, but Wilds is the only game that lost my interest so fast, it's quite sad.

>>715955229
>Its not realistic.

I love how these retards are now denying the realism of fucking fog

>>715968832
Yeah I joined monhun kinda late but i love the classic games. I played the Wilds beta for a while and just had this feeling of "man i really REALLY dont want to play a whole ass game of this" so i didnt even boughted it.
Too bad because Alma (my wife) is stuck in that slop

>>715953191
>tranny obsessed fags are ps360kiddies
makes sense

>>715968303
>no good option
fucking kek

>>715956663
>They ignore all the masterful moments and storytelling of Lion King and themes about life and write it off as childish because its colored animation, thats kiterally it
I have literally never seen a single person in my entire life say this, or even something close to this. You are schizophrenic.

unreal's lighting sucks ass, period

>>715969695
You can edit it to taste is what I meant

>>715952510 (OP)
I can understand why this is used in BotW because it's exclusive to a underpowered joke, but I don't understand why any for of the others here.

>>715968584
every video game level has an AQI of over 9000