Thread 715956214

Can FFXIV be saved?

>>715956214 (OP)
MMOs are inherently flawed. So no.

my bdo house still exists after not logging on for years
my xiv house disappeared after a month of not paying virtual rent

>>715956214 (OP)
The people that play it just want it to be VRchat
everyone who wants content would be playing wow

>>715956214 (OP)
Tencent will save it when they release the mobile version without Dawntrail.

>>715956319
Woke of Warcraft sucks too

>>715956710
ff14 is dying, bots released a while ago

>>715956214 (OP)
why did they give Minstrel such a tumblr nose?

>>715956214 (OP)
It’s still pretty big desu. 1.5million endgame level players and 30k have the steam version which is a good population for a multiplayer game and that doesn’t include Windows, Xbox, PS, or Mac players.


They need to diversify the classes more like XI or 1.0 imo. It’s too wow like where Jobs are just skins over the same thing.
This game can easily be saved with a top expansion. They experimented with the latest one and it didn’t work. It’s not like WoW where cataclysm was way to time demanding and hard and turns off annd anyone who isn’t hardcore and they followed that up with the stupid WoD house building bs and spent a year making everyone wait for more shit

You gotta save narrative, dungeons, side content modes, job design, simon says raid design, removal of side quests.

How do you do that in 3 patches? It's too hard.

>>715956214 (OP)
FFXIV's major strength was its story, all stories end.
It was inevitable after endwalker there would be a down turn.

Kinda funny the one thing that let FFXIV challenge wow is the games biggest weakness.

>>715956214 (OP)
>story is the worst state its ever been in
>troon infested community
>cheater population growing exponentially because nobody fucking stops them
>content releases continue to be predictable and stale
There isn't a single aspect of this game that can be saved.

>>715956284
Sell me on player housing, I always see people bring it up as a big deal but I've never understood why you'd want a building that solely exists to idle in.

>>715957824
Wow has sucked very badly since MoP, story is abysmal, the game is truly dead. The dev team even fucked up the classic. FfXIV is just having a downturn. They need to nail the next expac or it starts a death spiral

I think he's got a point

>>715958236
you can have -private- e-sex in it with your fellow grown ass men instead of doing it on the streets of limsa like a cheap crack whore

>>715958256
All they can do though is Meracydia.
That's the only story left to do and ties up the initial 1.0 and 2.0 Bahamut stuff.

>>715958421
i'm sure we're due for another natural disaster to pause demolition again
but yuckshitpiss will refuse to acknowledge this system is inherently flawed because of the retards paying him e-rent

>>715958236
why would i sell you on it? im shitting on it.
not only is it worthless to own one but as mentioned youre forced to keep your sub up or it will get deleted, and its hard to get a plot in the first place due to rng.
unless youre one of those second life folks that do parties or whatever it has no use.

The other problem is that dawntrail's story was insultingly bad. It invalidates the forethought and build of every single previous expansion.

To prove this, all you have to do is ask what would happen to Wuk's ideals if she was placed in Heavensward.

The 6.x patches were rough in story, but players can swallow it.
>Alright it's just a patch, this'll get better in 7.0 and lead into something
People left because 7.0 was insultingly bad, not bad with a sense of good will.

>>715956284
Retvrn to club penguin igloos

>>715957824
It all started after 6.0
>Twelve story handwaved in 24 man content
>Void story rushed plus unsatisfactory conclusion
>wuk introduction
At least Pandaemonium was cool.

I honestly think Yoshida and company wanted to end the game and start on XIV-2, but execs wanted another 10 years out of the game.

So what did Yoshida do? He stuck it to the execs, letting them know that he and XIV are the ones keeping Square from going under.
They let other departments, foreign and internal, take control of 7.0 and do their thing, while Yoshida pulled key people off to work on other things.

>>715957590
What was the experiment on the latest one? The same exact roadmap of dungeons every odd level with a trial on X3 and X9 level? Classes just getting a bigger finisher button and playing the exact same? The only thing they experimented with was Chaotic raid. Cosmic exploration and crescent occult are just copy pasted Firmament and Bozja/Eureka. This game is doing the exact same shit it did from Shadowbringers. Funny thing is that the game is so outdated, plugins and mods are advancing faster. Crafting for example is so braindead, 1 plugin completely solved cosmic exploration.

>>715958298
For the most part, yes. The game desperately needs more resource allocation and the devs need to get out of their complacent mindset that doing the same thing as always will work forever.
I'd argue we aren't quite at pre-ShB levels just yet though, and even if we are the game has bounced back from worse. If 8.0 isn't that bounce back however, that will likely be the point of no return.

>>715956214 (OP)
No, it is and will always be a ps3 game

What game has replaced XIV for (You) while waiting for 8.0?

>>715958184
I don't understand the webm, are those supposed to be bots

>>715958706
You can see their balance sheet and financial statements as they are public, they clearly show that they use "The mmo division" as they call it as a cash cow to invest on "HD titles" meaning their flop games like Forspoken, FF16 and FF7. They also clearly stated that they want to "Diversify" because their sony exclusivity deal lost them money as nobody bought a ps5 to play FF16. They don't care about ffxiv at all, almost nothing is being reinvested into that game.

>>715958780
and here is MrHappys Reaction to it and we all know that Mrhappys income is just based on ffxiv and to be honest he isnt even a good streamer at all

>>715958892
no of course not they're completely organic players going through the ass-end of the zone and arriving at the already active node at the same time and casting the same gatherer abilities completely organically

>>715958885
Wuthering Waves.

The combat is worse, obviously, but the bosses themselves are almost on par with XIV, as well as the story.

>>715958993
Damn how bad is the bot problem now? I haven't bothered with this game in years. Last played during shadowbringers and considered resubbing but apparently dawntrail is complete shit.

>>715958959
>chasm of features

>>715958959
>oh you whine about no content? ummm but have you killed the 10 zillion S tier marks for a shitty title and/or mount?
>have you done the big fishing gambling that requires you to log in at 5 AM during a workday for a 5 minute window? you only get one a month!

>>715958885
I'm clearing out my backlog at a rate of approximately 1 game per month. It's brilliant. Fuck MMOs and forever games.

Yeah sure XIV could be saved, If in next expansion we leave Tural and never mention it or anyone in the expansion ever again, and while leaving the country by boat we get a 30 minute unskippable cutscene of Y'shtola giving us a strip show as an apology.

>>715958885
Gachaslop.
It's kinda weird how well it slotted in as a replacement.

>>715959118
90% of omnicrafters are botting. Gathering/Crafting max level food/pots/gear without botting is literally torturing yourself. It's more about how outdated and bad the system is desu.

Bros...I'm burnt on FF14 and I don't want to pick up WoW. There any MMO worth picking up these days

>>715959365
The genre is dead, time to find something else.

>>715958959
Ironic that he says the original post ended in an overly bitter comment then ends his own with an overly bitter comment.

>>715959365
I unironically went through them all after Dawntrail.

They're all awful. You might like Warframe, it has an interesting story but braindead gameplay.

>>715959365
Well lets see, if you want any mmo with a lick of population its gonna have to be a version of wow, eso, osrs, and i guess maybe gw2. lol

7.3 got a new deep dungeon, which is nice, except that it's going to be exactly the same as the last two.

>>715959667
the last deep dungeon that got added was so ass

>>715959509
I've got far too much time in Warframe...I love it but hate having to relearn it every time I come back.

>>715959365
No.

>>715956214 (OP)
christ that is an ugly fucking nose

>>715959624
>wow, eso, osrs, gw2

Honestly, why even play anything else aside from those MMOs, unless you really love Star Wars.

The genre doesn't have enough interesting sub-ideas to hold several 1000+ hour long games in the gaming sphere.

Then again there are a few loota shootas and gachas that might as well be considered MMOs.

>>715958959
>I've worn all of those hats, (...) completionist/achievement hunting
Nigga hasn't set foot in the firmament or cosmic exploration, never played a rival wings game, done ocean fishing like once or twice, hasn't done ANY variant or criterion, hasn't done any blue mage outside of leveling it, no Eureka or Bozja. He's a literal raidlogging ultitranny.

>>715959509
>Warframe
>MMO
so the definition of the genre has been reduced to just a game with a hub where people idle, huh?

>>715959717
Was that the one in the Mystical Ninja starring Goemon dungeon

>>715959365
I dont think that there is any good MMO that you're should spend your dime.. GW2 is TOTALLY WOKE GARBAGE and the rest is kinda meh

>>715959432
>>715959773
Bros...how have we been connected more then ever and a genre that should thrive on that is all but gone...why are we all so online but all so disconnected from one another.

I want to go back bros

fire kate and stop trying to appeal to westerners
doing so would go a long way

>>715959867
I mean what even is an MMO at this point? A shared world with a chat box in the bottom left? Good enough.

>>715959052
>The combat is worse
Honest question, are you retarded?

>>715959902
What happened to GW2? Loved the hell out of it on release, finished it but never came back for the first expansion.

>>715959919
because the internet stopped being a place for nerds to seek refuge and became a normie-infested hellscape who would rather yell at each-other on e-bloodsports "social media" arenas than cooperate and have a good time together

>>715956214 (OP)
Yes. They must add a sex update.

>>715959052
>gachashit
out of the frying pan, into the fire

>>715959975
The spectacle of the combat is better, and it feels better, obviously.
But the core mechanics and difficulty of it are not on par with XIV.

You forget how well done fights like Titan 2.0 Savage are and Exdeath and Zodiark and on and on.

>>715959824
>Honestly, why even play anything else aside from those MMOs
Yeah idk, me and a buddy were holding out for years for a worth a shit mmo to come out, was kinda hoping for ashes but well that happened, but also didnt so we just said fuck it and rolled onto the wow anniversary server, probably about the best mmo experience you can have at this time imo

>>715960070
MMOs are WORSE than gacha games when it comes to time investment, with even MORE expensive cash shops.

We just like to sit on the high ground because of the subscription model, but even with that, you go look at the amount of content a gacha game puts out every 6 weeks and compare it to a patch for an MMO.

All jokes and memes aside I have no fucking idea what Krilefags fucking wanted or expected out of this expansion. It seemed like she got enough to me, but I guess I'm not some pedophile wackjob.

>>715959118
literally everywhere in all aspects of the game
I saw combat bots farming silver on Occult Crescent.
If you see a suspiciously good tank dodging things flawlessly running Chemist or Freelancer, chances are they are bots

>>715960189
>MORE expensive cash shop
SHUT THE FUCK UP
you don't need to buy any dumbass clothes or mounts from the fucking XIV cash shop
you NEED to pull several hundred times to get a single fucking character in any gacha
>j-just grind out currency bro you'll get enough for one character after like 3 months of nonstop dailies

>>715960218
She was meant to have more from a lack of it in Endwalker.
She's the main draw for a lot of the plot in Tural, but Wuk invalidates it all just by being front and center.

>>715960350
i bet they dont ban any of the Gold Farmers anymore and the weekly Posts about banning RMT are just some numbers but not real

>>715960189
>gacha subhuman thinks xher toddler-tier and "collect coins" puzzles for pitiful amount of microcurrency are content, blissfully unaware he's being milked for engagement
grim

>>715960382
>She's the main draw for a lot of the plot in Tural
But not really. Regardless of how you feel about Dawntrail or Wuk Lamat, Wuk was the driving force of the plot. Krile was ancillary.

>>715960353
>you NEED to pull several hundred times to get a single fucking character in any gacha

But you never NEED anything in a gacha game.
You don't need the characters, you don't need the outfits, the weapons. It's all designed to MAKE you want to pull for characters via emotional attachment.

Next XIV expansion, you get expansion companions, but you have to pull for them in a gacha fashion. You gonna do it? Course you are. You above it? Nope, because your baby girl Y'shtola there and she's gonna get unique dialogue if you pull for her and bring her along for certain quests.

>Lucky I'm not a Y'shtola cu-
Oh don't worry bro we got everyone. We got Yugiri as a 5 star. Beach Alisae as a Blue Mage as a 6 star.

So don't think you're above that stuff, because they'll get you.

>>715960595
bro is trying to pretend power creep doesn't exist in gacha
here's your pity (You)

>>715960474
Man I dunno what that other guy's playing, but my action combat gacha has just given me a fucking surfing minigame, and a better on-rails shooting minigame than Air Force One, which is the sort of thing FFXIV should have added fucking YEARS ago for Gold Saucer.

>>715960563
>Wuk was the driving force of the plot

Well not really because there's no actual incentive to help her.
There's a conspiratorial incentive in that the Scions don't want Mamaboolbajool on the throne, but Krile's letter is closer to the player's real incentive.

>>715956214 (OP)
I don't want to wait 4 hours as a DPS because the other 2 roles are boring garbage

>>715960595
lmfao project harder, pixelphile cattle. i don't even have a house on XIV because i can see through the clear predatory scam when put next to the common content droughts, if XIV became a gacha i would quit the game forever, no questions asked.

>>715960627
>meta fag shit for endgame content

It's like being 20 ilevels over in this game for a raid. Means shit.

>>715959919
What genre have you been playing for the past 15yrs? MMOs have done nothing but try to diminish the multiplayer and cooperation aspect of the genre for a good while now.

>>715960735
Yeah don't worry son, everyone says the same stuff.
>Not me bro not me
Yeah (You). They'll get you easy. Easy.
Why do you pay a sub for XIV?
>Oh well I love the story and characters-
Gone. Cya. Easy money.

>>715960843
>Why do you pay a sub for XIV?
i've only paid for one (1) total month since DT's release
keep projecting

>>715960094
You must be high. FFXIV has snapshotting, which instantly makes the gameplay exponentially worse. The animations are floating, the feedback is week and sounds effect flaccid. FFXIV is harder though, but that's down to it being a multiplayer tard wrangling game.

>>715960595
You sound like a man outside the casino desperately trying to convince others they arent addicted to gambling, and in fact should join in with him.
Gacha SHIT is psychologically manipulative gambling trash and only subhumans play that shit

I read about this on a Nintendo fansite and they were super excited kek. It's really funny to me how Nintendo fans have hated on the franchise for years but the moment the mainline games are going to be put on a Nintendo console it's all love and happiness.
Look I'm just glad, the more people who can play the game the better for all of us is my view.

>>715960837
>They don't count
>B-because they just don't!
Cope and seethe Doom sissy

>>715956214 (OP)
Its 15 years old let it fucking die already

>>715956214 (OP)
>we thought DRS had too much support

Shitposting aside, What are the chances that the other scions/characters had more speaking lines but some meddling higher up told them to change it and just made Wuk speak instead?

I swear many cutscenes that should've been important enough to voice simply weren't.

>>715958670
The issues were in 6.0 as well
Endwalker in general was about demystifying almost every aspect of the world and lore, and didn't leave enough breadcrumbs to keep the world interesting

In retrospect Lyse wasn't that bad.

>>715958706
very strange trend of painting yoship as some kind of vigilante action hero fighting against the man and being retarded on purpose when he's literally an executive

>>715961405
No, she was shit.
A worse thing existing doesn't make the previous thing any better.

>>715961326
>what are the chances
100%. I mean fuck, they turned Alphinaud, Alisae, and Krile into Wuk-suckers. Anytime they were allowed to open their mouths, it was to praise the literal dirt Wuk walked on.
Wuk was absolutely a committee-designed GIRLBOSS that they hoped to be the face of FF14 going forward for all the YAS QUEEN SLAY faggots.
Then they discovered that those pieces of shit are the minority in the FF14 community, and people actually DO care about the story quality and pre-existing characters.

>>715959975
Gachafag sit the fuck down

>>715961217
XIV is definitely not coming to switch, you're thinking of a different game.
Also, have you considered that those that hate a series and those that are excited for it may be different people?

>>715961326
none, the simple answer is that the writers are incompetent

>>715961475
the truth is that the writers were on that committee too.

nobody wanted to put any effort into this expansion, they just wanted to follow the formula, because everyone working on dawntrail were interns or otherwise mediocre. Writing characters is hard so we can just write one character with a really simple personality and make every quest talk to 3 people until we meet the 100 quest quota

The only people who disliked DT's MSQ or Wuk Lamat did not play the game.

>boss has some huge windup attack where they breathe fire
>I run out of the way and so does my group
>rest of my group immediately runs back in and clearly gets hit by the fire breath
>takes no damage despite being sprayed by fire for like 5 full seconds
very immersive

someone needs to put me on the phone with these japanese companies ill set them straight. they need to cancel all ffxiv and pso2 ngs development and work on sequels immedietly. mmos will be saved. not sure why they havent thought of this yet but they need to hear it asap

>>715961631
explain half the regular playbase leaving after DT came out

>>715961380
There's a whole new generation of writers that don't understand that it's preferable to leave some things unexplained.
People will always want answers, and as the writer you may even have the answer, but the audience isn't always better off for having those answers. So it's good practice to add something at least replace the question.
Answers alone kill wonder. The question is the more important thing.

>>715961720
its much easier to continue supporting an already made game than to make an entirely new game. even with really bad technical debt if you just copy the things you've already done you can save a lot of dev cost. ofc this can lead to players getting bored and unsubscribing, meaning you have less money, meaning more pressure to just do what costs the least, causing a bad cycle which can end with the head death of the game.

YoshitPiss be like: OOOH, SUBARASHI! This sugio visual updeito will make the game look modern for next 10 years!

>>715961720
The Japanese (and koreans) are incapable of making a good MMO engine and good netcode, bring back whoever made the original WoW engine he's the only hope MMOs have.

>>715958184
>troon infested community
That's literally every single gaming community these days. Don't blame XIV, blame the Western culture.

>>715961432
I don't think he's fighting against the man, I just think he's pressing on them, like an ego thing.

Think from their perspective: they brought XIV back, built Square back up, and now they don't have the agency they want with their own project.

Japanese boomer business culture is super fucking salty. Go ask some of the Anons that have worked that shit. It's not like here with little passtive agressive HR remarks.

>>715961979
>Wow engine is good
>The engine that breaks if anyone ever makes any changes to the default backpack

>>715961720
PSO2NGS is another banana case.

I went through 50 hours of that and its non-existent class building and story.

>>715962008
maybe. i do think there's some friction but i think the big picture answer is that he's bored of xiv and wants to move on to other projects, and he's pissed that the interns are fucking everything up if he doesn't keep an eye on them.
if he works only on xiv he's miserable. if he stops working on xiv the game starts plummeting. and with square giving him barely any budget and a mountain of tech debt with the engine, I could see it being a very muddy work environment.

>>715960637
Modern phone games blow MMOs out of the water in pretty much every regard, since they provide exactly what modern MMO players want: ever-growing single player story without the need to interact with other people.

>>715962007
Or just bring back bullying.
There's a whole slew of dangerous and degenerate things that it curtailed.
It makes the unsalvageable people hide it better but it massively hinders the promotion/recruitment.
Bullying is low level societal rules enforcement.

>>715959052
Same. I'm just enjoying the updates for Wuwa and ZZZ instead of paying for final. The $5 monthly for both together is still cheaper than ffxiv sub and I can roll pretty often.

I hope 8.0 is better because I do miss raiding, but the game and jobs feel like shit right now.

>>715956214 (OP)
It can but it needs to change. Not even just the writing, but the gameplay which has gotten stale and lost touch with what most people actually want from the game. Seems like it mostly tries to cater towards raidfags now.

>>715961481
>random quest enemy
You can literally do the same in XIV as well.

>>715962224
I think he's tried delegating quality checks to somebody he thought was good enough and been disappointed. Probably a spineless twat that can't defy a room that's found a bad consensus.
That's probably the most charitable interpretation I can find.

>>715957717
the only actual problems are narrative and job design though

>>715961326
I'm absolutely convinced they were supposed to have more important roles, but Hiroi's Mary Sue stole all the spotlight like Zero did. In previous expansions, Alisaie and Thancred would have thrashed a character like Wuk Lamat: too idealistic, too naive, too convinced the world just needs to eat around a table together and peace will be immediately attained. Their experiences in Ishgard/Dravania and the First should have prompted them into telling her she was wrong, that she needed to mature. But in Dawntrail they were respectively turned into Wuk's 1st fangirl and a bodyguard with five lines.

>>715956214 (OP)
> talk to woke lmao yet again

>>715962597
Funny enough that you mention Alisaie when she was kind of a precursor to Wuk Lamat. Getting away from Wuk isn't enough. We need to get away from the goddamn twins.

>Sphene dies
>Wuk powers up to kill bad guy and does so (after the trial)
>Shota bad guy says he did this for her and for her people because he loved her all long but couldn't say it because he was sick
>Lay her real body to rest for the Alexandrians to properly mourn
>Lil lizard dude (forgot his name) will cri
>Wuk says xhe needs to see more of DE WURL and that her brother (forgot his name too) can handle it.

>>715962291
>but the game and jobs feel like shit right now

They feel like ass. I'm playing DRK, SMN and AST and they're all like... designed for raid autists or have just been trimmed down so much their kit doesn't even feel cohesive anymore.

Do the other jobs feel like this too? DRG or SCH or whatever? Tanks are always doing nothing so of course they'll be as bad as DRK.

>>715961326
>meddling higher up
it's literally just the writer being dogshit
there's literally a scene where they compare the resonators to how voidsent work and the reaction of everyone there is "wow just like our great friend Zero" instead of "heavens forfend we gotta kill these niggas"

>>715962573
What about dungeons? They're a 20 minute trek through a hallway that is expected to be daily content.

>>715962836
running dungeons makes me suicidal. there is literally no reason for trash packs to exist with the current design philosophy.

>>715962836
you have ARs, criterions and deep dungeons if you want something beyond mob/mob/boss though?

>>715962756
>Wuk becomes a Scion

I will turn the game off if this happens.

>>715959365
OSRS. Look past the graphics and you'll discover the best designed MMO in the market.

>>715961275
Did you mean to reply to me?

Honestly, there's no saving XIV. People bitch about Dawntrail but fundamentally speaking the game switched course at the start of Shadowbringers. There's no going back, too much damage has been done already.

>>715962756
Of all the things that should never happen, this one better fucking not happen. I will actually unsubscribe if Wuk becomes a permanent party member.

>>715962756
>>715962928
wait i missed something

>Smile will play when Wuk is welcomed by Alisae as a new Scion

>>715962924
I think Criterion is even worse than normal dungeons. And Alliance Raids are just really long dungeons, albeit nicer to look at.

>>715962756
If Wuk joins, that would be the thing that really kills the game.
But honestly, it would be kinda funny.

>>715962976
stormblood was dogshit
garleniggers deserve less

>>715962924
why is content designed to be intentionally boring in the first place
>cuz CASUALS!!
i thought this was supposed to be the expansion of making things fun while keeping the difficulty the same

>>715963013
Delete the account then and there.

>>715962224
>>715962537
This, he definitely wants to work on other stuff, but the people he delegated fucked everything up, probably because they are clearly inexperienced and easily manipulated by Western influences. I get it, though: he's been working on the same game for 10 years, resurrecting it from its ashes, and basically devoted most of his career on it. He performed a small miracle (also thanks to Covid and the WoW exodus), and I can imagine him and the rest of the team finally relaxing once the saga was complete with EW. That exhaustion mixed with the frustration of always being given crumbs instead of a decent budget might have lead to the current state of the game - he pays little attention to it now, churns out an apology or two when things go wrong, then goes back to do whatever he's doing now. He's like a fish flailing around, trying to find his new place.

>>715962976
>It was good when I played and it was muh secret club

>>715962573
Job design is the hilarious one.
It's the thing you do all the time in every content.
The level of difficulty or complexity of a job will have an effect on how the content is perceived.
Since it's something you do all the time, it's okay to have a high level of complexity and allow people to get better over time as they do more and more content.
Complexity/difficulty balance is always around where the player's focus is, between the job and the encounter.
If the focus is close to the job, it allows people to specialise and in effect makes the player matter more in content.
If the focus is closer to the encounter, the player does not matter and leans into the everybody is replaceable mentality.
Only one of those is particularly healthy in an MMO.
It's also the one that allows you to delineate content much better because the constraints of the encounter tied with a higher job complexity weed out the incapable. But it also gives people a goal to better themselves on any particular job.
Which is sad because I'm basically describing HW and maybe early SB.

>>715961481
>Roguelite mode where you get a bunch of retarded buffs.
lol

>>715962758
Every job has been so cut down they all start to feel the same. You just pick what effects or job gear you like and play that one.

GNB is the only tank thats different, but it has clunkiness that gets annoying in higher tier content with downtime and drifting.

DPS still has a few jobs but they are doing their best to eliminate any remaining fun, most recently BLM. MNK or PCT if you want something complicated. Other melees are all kind of same, just with 1 gimmick added. SMN is the worst job in the game and is a glorified ranged phys. I like RDM gameplay, but it can get repetitive.

Healers are the most boring shit in existence and are only fun if your party is braindead.

>>715963176
imagine the frustration of wanting to add something cool to the game but you can't because you'd have to change one line of 1.0 code and if you change that line the whole server crashes
id want to get as far away from that game too

>>715956214 (OP)
>random gacha game from third rate devs
>a bit over a month to add a huge bustling city, bigger and more populated than any XIV hub
>with a large vertical area to explore around it
>multiple cinematic questlines
>new minigames and new mechanics, with new UI and animations
>with more noticeable visual update to how the game used to look like a year ago than whatever the fuck XIV received after 12
I'm playing that instead. Sub's cheaper too, and story is actually good unlike DT.
They should've killed XIV with Endwalker, it was the best time to pull the plug and just get ready to release XVII Online or whatever.

It doesn't need saving. I want it to go back to ARR player numbers and just be a chill game that a relative handful of people fuck around in again. I stopped playing back in post-Stormblood because everyone and their fucking mother seemed to be playing by that point.

>>715963405
>MNK or PCT if you want something complicated.
>MNK
>complicated
le-fucking-mao

>>715962756
wuk becoming a permanent party member is the line that will make me drop this game forever

>>715962729
Maybe, but Alisaie and Alphinaud grew up and we weren't forced to follow them around for an entire expansion. Our interactions with them were mitigated by the other Scions and travels and missions attempted without their company. We spent "years" separated from them when they were forcibly summoned in the First, and it was a good way to show how much they had matured in our absence. Wuk Lamat suddenly realizes she will never be as good as her brothers, but still wants "PEACE & LOVE" for everyone in the span of one (1) mission, after which she becomes basically invincible.

I agree we need some time away from some of the Scions to finally let the others grow (Y'shtola and poor Krile for example), but Wuk Lamat and Erenville are what happens when SE tries to make new companions for our WoL (Sphene will never be a Scion, unfortunately. Erenville is the strongest bet).

>>715963442
Apparently Chinese companies just put all the money in the world into these games for development.

Wuwa's patches are like on par with a patch from XIV.

I'll post a trailer for a patch so a lurker can get an idea in comparison to XIV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQXQ3s3SuIs

>>715958298
This from the guy malding about not getting a new ultimate in 7.3 when almost their entire focus has been on hardcore content for years

What kind of fat cuck wastes his whole life grinding every job in a dead nip mmo? Maining bitch healer, no less. K E K

>>715962917
They've been utter shit since they killed TP and made MP management a non-issue in AoE.
You used to at least have something to manage over the longer duration of a dungeon and consider the resources being expended.
Tank/healer CDs too but they're so fucking abundant and short CD now it's irrelevant and they're never being given up.

>>715963597
Yes it has more to do and manage if you are trying to play the job correctly compared to every other melee.

>>715963729
>we're not getting an ultimate in 7.3
>this means we're not getting one til 8.1
llamatodd is a fucking retard

>>715963816
Comparatively, sure.
Actually, lol no.

>>715963778
>that super cool Warrior debuff you got whenever you went berserk that a healer needed to remove
it (was) the little things

>>715963906
Real. I believe.

>>715963751
>this exact same schizopost in every thread

So is it a bot or a clinical autist doing this?

>>715963940
>ignoring it every time as healer
Fuck off, I'm busy. That's the best TP regen you have, enjoy it you pacified fuck.
And fuck your macro.

>>715963930
What are the most complicated jobs in your opinion then?

>>715963442
>>715963659
>chink shills

You aren't fooling anyone lol.

>>715963990
>three videos in a day
who knew AIslop could be so powerful

>>715963940
>those fucking awful macros WARs use to use

PACIFY IN 5
4
3
2
1
HEALER ESUNA ME
HEALER ESUNA ME
HEALER ESUNA ME

>>715964090
I can assure you, we currently have the most absolutely braindead iteration of MNK yet.
Compared to the other curernt jobs, sure it might be complicated. I'll give you that one for free for the sake of argument.
But in terms of actually complicated? Not a fucking chance.

>>715957590
>1.5million endgame level players and 30k have the steam version which is a good population

HOLY COPE

>dungeons kept getting culled with no additional content, because who the fuck does dungeons anyway?
>relic weapons kept getting pushed back to the point that now they only start 1 year after the expansion launch and only serve as poetic / lower tomestone sinks.
>patch content is completable in less than a week and that's being optimistic.
>random jobs butchered.
>release island sanctuary which turned out to be the most boring shit imaginable.
>everyone cheered when eureka, bozja and occult came out basically the exact same as one another with no development on the idea and are basically just glorified fate grinds.
>patches getting further apart and with less content

The game has been in steady decline for years, the dev team are lazy as fuck, you are supposed to make the foundations of an MMO so that adding content is easy as shit. Yoshi-p has said multiple times there's no tech debt anymore, which has to be a lie. The story going to absolute shit is the icing on the cake. I've complained throughout and no one cared, you guys made your bed now die in it.

>the image dumping has arrived
I guess the discussion ends here.

>>715964395
yeah i was just waiting when this would happend

>>715964105
Hey, if you want to keep consuming YoshiP's slop without even trying to get the idea why XIV is dying, all the power to you. Remember to pay your $15 rent to Square, while WoW is getting unlimited and more detailed housing rent free

>>715964336
>Yoshi-p has said multiple times there's no tech debt anymore
With so many real things you can criticize the game for, why do you still feel the need to lie? Is it the chud culture?

>>715964395
Why? The fuck are jpegs going to do

>>715964395
>entire thread is shitting on and discussing the game
>retarded ritual poster comes in
>dumps image folder as if it's meant to convert people into hating the game more or something

>>715963990
>sloptuber that shits nonstop on ziv
>about to hit 1k and get monetized after just a month
It's that easy

>>715963990
im glad we have hoodactionnews for ffxiv now

>>715964273
Well yea in my original post it was framed as all jobs are the worst version we have. I agree the current monk is no where near the autism level of some of the iterations of past expansions. It was more of a "here is the two jobs that are more complicated than anything else in the game that maybe require 1 more braincell".

God I hate the current state of this shitty game.

>>715956214 (OP)
No. Just no.

>>715957717
You're right, it is too hard. So hard that they can't even do it with just one expansion, they'd need multiple. And at that point, why bother? They should have just made a new MMO after Endwalker.

>>715964728
tldr?

>>715964008
put your janny application in

>>715964728
But she is 100% correct? How is it the fault of the people working on the game that SE leadership refuses to reinvest into their golden goose?

>>715963657
oh I agree the twins are nowhere near as bad as Wuk. Before DT though we had Alisaie as the main character who constantly needed to be hogging screentime, even if it didn't make much sense for her too. And short of one of them dying I don't see anything else to be done with the twins without feeling forced.

There is some dialogue teasing that we will be spending a lot of time with Y'shtola, which makes sense as the future seems built around shard travel which is her major interest now. Sphene could easily be written into the scions since she no longer has any personal attachment to alexandria and could want to find a new purpose. And if they're smart they'll do both, rather than the sadly as you mentioned more likely scenario of Erenville joining because women.

>>715963751
cuckoli is a known /xivg/ lolcow and diaperfag

>>715964829
as CiderSpider said, lack of budget is not an excuse for bad decision making, all the money in the world won't help if your making retarded decisions like Forked Tower original queue system

I hate this Guy so much he was such a huge mistake and if this one isnt fired Square is fucked up

the 2014 Life Changing Event was his own Theater went bankrupt

I think the sentiment and deconstructions in this thread are the evidence.

It's just too much to save, and to be honest? It's not worth it anyway.
There's Meracydia left as a core narrative, the XIIIth and that's about it, and you could even tie those two together somehow, you don't need a 9.0 set in The Void.

Square wants to go up to 12.0, that's just ridiculous. WoW made it that far because the core audience aren't gamers, they don't care either way.

It's like the people still playing XI or PSO.

>>715963442
>>715963659
How many 48 player raids does this have?

>>715964829
Nigger.

>>715964829
>we can't change the stale formula, dumbed down all the vocations and killed Trinity because... WE JUST DON'T GET PAID ENOUGH, OKAY?

>>715964979
None, it's a solo game.

>>715964937
It would help by hiring talented and experienced designers instead of the cheapest graduates you can find.

I don't know what people think, like they're gonna derail a thread by posting pngs.

No one is clicking your pngs man. It's the same 50 people every thread, they know you. No one's clicking your images.

>>715965003
As usual it is the illiterate braindead niggers who is crying about things they don't understand.

>>715965120
all the talented and experienced designers don't want to touch ffxiv with a ten foot pole, they've talked about this before. the engine is so weird and outdated its a nightmare to work on.

>>715964939
IDK how this retard wrote the Pandemonium raid series so well when everything else he has written has been dogshit. Just keep him on side content duty.

You gotta give it to Dawntrail in the boss encounter design though, they're still nailing it there.

Those main story trails are phenomenal, even better than Stormblood's best stuff.

>>715965120
Doesn't matter when the senior developers are shit.

>>715965003
>letting this la creatura onstage
>letting xir shit up and pozz ShB
What were they thinking?

The end came without warning. The age of the immortal, pierced by the thorns of judgement.
The human race as it once was was is no more. To resist destruction, humanity must be thrown away.
Eyes reflecting darkness brighter than light. Fangs that steal the souls of the dead.
The price for power...intense bloodlust. Those who succumb to the thirst risk losing their minds and becoming the lost.
Forced to wander the land, slaves to their own bloodlust...eating one another.
Here lies a lifeless blood prison...

>>715964686
Do yourself a favour, stop trying to define or find the "most complicated job". Even when asked. Waste of time, waste of effort. They're all shitty low effort brainless bullshit now.
It's like trying to point out the 5 best brush strokes in a terrible painting. They're so far below the standard of good that they don't even rank.
People will see it and think you're lying or worse they'll think that's your standard of good.

>>715965224
>they've talked about this before

Who, the XIV team or people applying?

>>715965014
What mmos don't have stale formulas?
Guild Wars 2 adding another map and a fractal
WoW adding timeless isle#21, M+ dungeons from 10 years ago, Visions from BFA, and Scenarios from MoP?

>>715964979
>how many hour long queues does this have a month after release
None, I bet.

>>715965356
>What mmos don't have stale formulas?
XIV from ARR to ShB.

>>715965324
they constantly beg people to apply for programming jobs

>>715965225
>IDK how this retard wrote the Pandemonium raid series so well when everything else he has written has been dogshit

Pandemonium was solid. It even linked into the Ultima stuff.

I think DT was handled by a Western third party for the first half of the game. Some consulting company was involved or something, because you can tell when Ishikawa comes back in and the whole thing changes.

>>715965239
Too little, too late.

>>715956214 (OP)
As a history teacher, it was actually pretty neat to watch FFXIV go through its own fall of Rome-style collapse in less than a year

>>715965418
>are you aware the game is dying
>yes, I am aware

>>715965485
so can ffxiv come back or not?

>>715964979
The person constantly shilling Wuwa in these threads is a former avatarfag that posted here and the only thing he did was take ugly gposes of his character, he doesn't care about the MMO part of the game.

>>715965445
>whole thing changes
I assume you just mean the overall direction of the narrative, because the quality is consistently shit.

>>715962786
>we gotta kill these niggas
based
>heavens forfend
they dont even say this shit anymore. kate fucking sucks as a localizer.

>>715965438
stale by ShB and then the real job gutting started

I feel they will actually go ahead and make Wuk a scion. Not even trying to doompost, I simply don't see them actually changing the already written and produced story they had in mind.
Most likely all the Tural plot, from 7.0 to 7.5, was at least made on paper. With them right now working on 8.0. Meaning, having to allocate resources and time to change what was already "set in stone", isn't viable. Specially when the reasoning its an already divisive issue, with strong voices inside the company (Kate) pushing to keep the original plan.
>"But Wuk barely had any presence in .1 and .2"
That's normal on all pre-.3 updates. Characters don't get that many lines, just for them to become the main focus again on the finale.
If Wuk was the focus on .0, it will be strange if they didn't also made her the focus on the finale. And if so, the only conclusion they can go with is make her an actual Scion.
And even if, EVEN IF, Yoshi know this is a potential problem for the player-base, in his mind it will be something "they may be able to fix on 8.0."

>>715965225
Ishikawa was probably moved to another project after her success (some speculate the new FF or even KH) and Yoship decided to trust this hack after the decent reception Pandaemonium got. Pity side content and MSQ are two completely different beasts.

>>715965445
>I think DT was handled by a Western third party for the first half of the game
no, the consulting company was just for location names.
if your talking about kate, then sure. she's not a writer but she is the "head lore consultant" so a lot of the sanitized tural lore is probably her.

>>715965615
I think you're right. The entirety of XIV's development has that ethos of, "We fixed 1.0 so-"

>>715963118
TRVTHNVKE!!!!!1

BASED BASED BASED

>>715965225
It really is astonishing how the majority of Dawntrail was really a sidequest chain. Typically those have you help a specific character with something. In this instance, it took up 3 zones, 3 dungeons, and a trial fight.
But unlike the sidequests, Wuk Lamat doesn’t leave, even when the story shifted to Alexandria and Solution Nine because they had Zoraal Ja be the cause of that.

>>715958885
Turtle wow

>>715965224
I am sure it would be just impossible to hire a team of talented people to fix up those issues.

>>715965692
I take it back, because Zero in the 6.x stuff was ass as well.
She was a Wuk prototype where all the other characters lose agency around her. Very typical manga shounen throwaway arc writing.

>>715965485
Lol oh fuck no. As has been pointed out in many previous threads, xiv is not just pozzed with leftroon devs but they've gotten choked out by chink competition with no such weaknesses. Gachashit outsells it by 10 to 1 with a content cadence 5x faster.

>>715959851
all that content is garbage tee bee aych

> Wuk Lamat is part of 8.0 MSQ group.
What is your reaction?

>>715958885
wow, sf6 and a bunch of single player rpgs

>>715960070
Fun fact: in most recent patch the story puts a side character in place of a protagonist. And actually does it very effectively and without making the player a silent cuck chair bound observer like in Dawntrail. So yes, even gachashit schools YoshiPiss these days.

>>715965885
*unsub*

>>715964483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge32wNPaJKk&t=560s

sorry about the larryzaur video i hate him
"we don't have any technological issue carried over from 1.0"
they do go on to say they made a bunch of "flaws" making arr which is fucking laughable

>>715965817
I'd rather deal with Zero tipping her hat every 2 seconds while asking what emotions are over Wuk clenching her fist then using talk-no-jutsu to gaslight villains into suddenly seeing the error of their ways.

>>715965885
None. I'm already out of the game, just following the news and updates from a distance. If they actually go full through with Wut Lmao ill just move on with my life and try to forget the almost 4000 hours I had in this shit.

>>715965615
Expansions are not “set in stone” that far ahead of time. Now is when they are starting it. Heck I think it was just a recent live letter where they said they begun.

>>715965615
I'm pretty sure Yoship admitted they listened to players' opinions after 7.0 released. You can see how they gradually removed Wuk from the main scene right after. Also, according to Japanese players, they even started cutting some useless scenes from the main expansions (namely most of her "closing fist" frames and her crying face during a cutscene).

>>715963442
cute retard

>>715966095
>(namely most of her "closing fist" frames and her crying face during a cutscene)
Good.They're both crutches from an amateur storyboarder.

>>715966019
Honestly, ARR was thrown together in less than 2 years (2012-2013) with a much less adept staff at MMO making (not much talent existed in the JP job market for MMOs), while also making content for the 1.0 client. It makes sense.

>>715956214 (OP)
MMO's take way to fucking long to ad new content to the game. Even in WoW it's months and months until the next story beat or anything new to do, takes way to fucking long. Gacha games get new shit every 2-3 weeks..

>>715965817
You're right but my bigger issue with Zero is that we had a great start with 6.1 being a fun adventure with Y'shtola and Estinien. Them getting shoved into the background hurt a lot more than the same happening to the twins.

>>715965885
Take it as proof that Yoship has just said "Fuck it, pull the plug" and unsub.

>"We are trying to work within a specific timescale, and trying to satisfy both types of players [note: casual players that rarely engage with raid content, and more hardcore players that do]. At the same time, even if we were to double our number of developers, I don't think we'd necessarily be able to double our output while trying to maintain the same level of quality." As an example of how the team is trying to strike that balance, Yoshida brings up the Deep Dungeon planned for 7.3. "We think this will appeal to a more casual playstyle, but we're also anticipating that more hardcore players who might find it less challenging will feel it's lacking. This is why we're adding an additional extra hard boss you can fight after reaching floor 99."

>"I do feel that Forked Tower: Blood was a misstep in development. It wasn't meant to be hardcore content, so to speak. The intention was that it might be more difficult at first, but over time more players might be willing to take on the challenge; yet, in the end we made it too difficult for players to even get into the raid in the first place. That's why we're making adjustments with 7.3, and why some of those adjustments were pushed even earlier than that. [...] That's why we're revising our roadmap to account for this feedback in patch 7.5." Yoshida also reflected that the team may have been putting too much focus on a player's individual responsibility, and how a single person's failure could have such a profound impact on the whole party. They regret that they weren't able to strike that balance they had intended for the content.

https://www.rpgsite.net/interview/17875-at-anime-expo-naoki-yoshida-reflects-on-his-past-as-he-looks-forward-to-future

>>715966250
>You're right but my bigger issue with Zero is that we had a great start with 6.1 being a fun adventure with Y'shtola and Estinien. Them getting shoved into the background hurt a lot more than the same happening to the twins.
Holy shit, I just remembered that happened. Then they did that to Krile in 7.0.
They REALLY have been tossing the scions in a pit since 6.1, huh.

>>715956214 (OP)
Everything wrong with DT in 1 pic.

Google doccy kinda lost huh

>>715963442
It's certainly pretty, to say the least.

>>715966241
That's crazy. Good thing this thread is about a completely different genre, you illiterate brownoid.

>>715966241
But how do they do it? It’s not trivial content either, it’s a 2 hour story, just like XIVs patches, and sometimes there are even 6 minute long cutscenes.

I’m not gonna lie and say gacha have better game modes than MMOs, but sometimes the smaller stuff they put out is impressive too, though usually not…

>>715966337
They only get to show up when a dungeon is about to happen so you have trust members. And they always give some hamfisted reason for showing up too. Either let the scions play a main role or just give us some random npc's for the dungeon.

>>715966295
>trying to satisfy both types of players
this is one of their biggest issues it's not just both types of players, they're trying to satisfy every single player and spreading themselves way too thin so that there's just barely any new content that actually interests one person

>>715966491
The fuck is dumping images gonna do

At least other spergs like that Barry retard post shit and talk about XV.

This guy posting images is at the post office. This nigga sending emails man, the fuck is he doing

>>715966567
>how do they do it?
Chinese companies with a huge ass budget combined with working their employees to death. It gets results.

>>715966579
It only really happened with ShB/EW, and was less true with DT, instead it would invent new roles for them to do (Alisaie as healer for example).
Which on that note, EW really had it peak with how much the Trusts were involved with content. Even Ktisis when using the avatars had unique interactions/comments for the snow boss.

>>715958885
Star Resonance. My FC and I aren't coming back for 8.0.
https://youtu.be/2tKu4pvRwNs

>>715966295
>It wasn't meant to be hardcore content, so to speak. The intention was that it might be more difficult at first, but over time more players might be willing to take on the challenge
It's clear people want to faceroll content and not be challenged at all.
They could remove the rez cap and change a few mechanics(snowballs, Fire Cleave, and Towers on Magitaur)and FT suddenly becomes casual friendly I'm not sure why they don't do that.

>>715966742
You mean if I DON'T let my staff have 2 hour lunch breaks, "meditation rooms", in0building gyms and other shit to distract them from work, work gets completed at a reasonable pace?
Wild.

>>715966714
it might be a bot given how everyone is already negative anyway.
in endwalker discussions were huge arguments between haters and supporters, but now that everyone is a doomer all discussions are essentially trying to find reasons and explanations for the decline

>>715963442
I wish gachas actually regularly released girls that I like but the skinnerboxes don't fucking work because every one I've tried produces one semen demon every two years at best so I end up with infinite currency and no reason to do dailies so I eventually just fall out of the game entirely.
Then all the shill bosses that are like 80% resistant to everything but the new character make the endgame in all the gachas I've played godawful if you only like a couple girls who might not even be the highest rarity (which also fuck the rarity system as a concept)
Not even that but the inability to take control away from incompetent devs and design your own character is awful, so if one is otherwise perfect but has a major design flaw your best hope is modding.

>>715966549
Enjoy having nothing to do for months on end while also paying for that privilage.

uh oh folder dumpy

>>715966828
The XIV devs used to brag about how much voluntary overtime they did. But these days Yoshi has taught them the Western-dev mindset of slow and lazy development.

>xivniggers ITT are still wasting sub money on kate's game
>in the year of our lord 2014+11

>>715966792
>I'm not sure why they don't do that.
too much cost

Guys

What about the Wuk Lamat golbez demystificaton armor gender paradigm

>>715965885
>"good one, YoshiP"
>cancel sub
>laugh myself to sleep that night

>>715967081
is lucy hot in real life or not?

the fact we have more endgame content in DT than EW and the subs are still plummeting is damning. this just proves people are playing this dogshit "game" to watch their OC donut steel in cool anime action scenes and not to actually play the game

>>715966792
ffxiv was built around 8 man content, if the content is going to be as difficult as it is, i think there'd be more people up for forked tower if you could just jump in with your static rather having to join a stupid big discord that organises runs and trying to fumble getting into the same zone with 40 people.
I have no idea why people are trying to push for large scale "hard" content apart from trying to make it more like WoW, I don't find wiping to one dumb fuck doing something stupid fun.

>>715967113
As a rule, vtubers are usually hotter than their model.

>>715956214 (OP)
I just started playing. Before you were in control of your character it was amazing.

Make what was promised. Make more about staying alive and venturing out than betraying beings you should be protecting.

Make more about seeing some good working.

Little non quest deciaions and gifts that tailor you ready to naturally lead by example.

Rest have it very easy. Enjoy that. And do your self assigned role of keeping them good. Turning away invaders, getting them self sufficient, some cultural bullshit not required, replaced with capability. Or get some essence of them in your armament. Able to handle their environment. Respecting what is there, not seen unless acnowledged. Helped to be human. Get the charge to defend something. Ignorant student filth spreading institution and experimentation slaughtered. Or kept from knowing something sacred. Something free of them staying so. Never a part of their disease, corruption, cancer etc. Fucking cowards. Kill anyone that has gone to university.

Taking in and taking on may be enough. In you, with you. Even if where they were and what made them gone, all that they are still believed by you. Do your part keeping them eternal, better, one day a person. Like you. Or given to what is worthy housing. Still a little or a lot outside. But some essence active in another may be enoughnlife. World looked after. Or what has worth in it looked after. Active. Real.

Play as someone free. Lose that freedom maybe,another stage of a hero unwritten. Looking after everything, a father to all including enemies. Preventing all from damnation to bad form fate and purpose. Already unforgivable your fault. Mafe so by beiing unable to fix. Problem solve, make something wrong doing right not be a bad thing. Unfuck them, their wrong your problem. Make whatever known right. How you pay to know more.

>>715966786
Didn’t they pull Blue Protocol down again after the beta?

>>715966792
They had the formula perfect with delubrum reginae and the savage version. They copy-pasted everything else, why would they randomly make this aspect way worse.

>>715967203
Are you from China?
I can't understand anything.

>>715963487
Granted.
>monkey's paw curls
>everyone quits because kate fails upward to game director while yoshida fucks off to shit out ff17

>>715966792
Honestly is frustrating that they didn't make it like Dalriada or Castrum Lacus Latore and THEN think about a separate Savage for it later on. If you're not doing FTB at all, then all you literally have to do in Occult is either: CE Spam or Gold Farm Spam.
Bozja had variety with the Fates and even the solo duels, hell it even had variety with the mob farming because each one dropped a different logogram.
And I hate that some Phantom Jobs have abilities for "dungeons" but it's only FTB. If there was a casual version of the dungeon instead, it could've been more fun to play around with.
Here's hoping the new jobs they add makes shit cooler maybe even stat passives for them (like the Essences from Bozja), and hopefully Freelancer maxed out let's you mix/match the abilities.
But the next area for Occult really needs to have more variety in stuff.

>>715956214 (OP)
Why is this art so repulsive?

>>715967205
Nope, the CN servers have been maxed out for a week now.

Where are my character and HUD and hot bar settings stored? Are they still accessible on steam even after uninstalling?

I changed laptops while on hiatus from the game, and gave away the old one. However, if there's remnant files on my steam deck I should be able to recover them.

>>715967113
She’s a vtuber, so yes.

>>715967306
you forgot: the small community of people left still "playing" the game are ERPers not engaging with the actual game and just using it as a glorified ERP chatroom for their modbeasts

>>715966062
>Nail the Field Operation system in Bozja
>New one doesn't need to be a fucked wasteland
>Somehow throw half of the good shit out the window
>Relic returns with the lame ass RNG elements and your only options are FATEs in OC or outside.

>>715967437
should've uploaded your settings in the character select screen

>>715956214 (OP)
No. Wuk Lamat pretty much destroyed it. I have no idea what they were thinking. People loved the main story. Then it completely changed tone and they got Wuk Lamat's cock forced down their throats. Now nobody cares about the story anymore ie most people who were still playing FFXIV.

>>715967413
It's an awkward middleground between anime and deviantart.

>>715967205
Global's closed beta recruitment will open this week (and no Amazon this time).

>>715967437
You had to back up your character settings on the character select. Happened to me when I had to repair the FF14 files.

>>715967437
It's in appdata somewhere.

>>715967339
bozja was dogshit. kys.

>>715967169
They're retarded and don't understand that the only way you can make content difficult in this game is through body checks and dps checks, otherwise you have a virtually infinite supply of rezes to cheese fights with. The issue with those mechanics is that they become exponentially more frustrating the more players are in the instance, as there's a much higher chance of one retard botching the fight for everyone in a 40 man instance than a regular one.
WoW can afford to ease up on the body check bullshit because battle rezes there are limited to specific classes and on long cooldowns.

>>715967492
shitter.
>nooo give me my thing nowwwwww

>>715967437
The HUD files are kept in Documents/My Games usually.

>>715967492
>Relic returns with the lame ass RNG elements and your only options are FATEs in OC or outside.
Like every other Relic sans EW.

>>715967659
Wrong Opinion

Occult Crescent felt like a Eureka 2.0 with less work into it

>>715966527
Don't show YoshiP what mobile games look these days, not after his "visual update"

Are there any good guides for Penumbra/Mare? I think I'm going to try going to one of those syncshell night clubs.

>>715967734
The nice thing about the tomestone step is I'm done with getting all the weapons already. I just let Dungeon Master in MMOMinion run the current dungeon, 23 minutes a run. I let it run 9 hours while I'm at work to cap off tomestones, buy 4 arcanite, then repeat each work day.

Can anyone explain the narrative complexities and purpose of the Graha Tia icecream deepthroat scene?

>>715956214 (OP)
This artstyle is physically painful to look at. How the fuck do you start drawing and end up making these abominations? Unironically worse than people who draw grotesque anuses and scat.

>>715966881
I wish XIV released an expansion that is worth playing at least once every couple years.
>something something gacha
Gachas evolve constantly to appeal to the market. Two of the upcoming open world city gachas will be giving all characters away for free and monetize skins instead.

>>715968038
helps me finish sis

another folderdump
what drives someone to do this?

>>715956214 (OP)
>watch a game you love slowly die
>the only people left playing are apologetic faggots who just make excuses for these shit devs

>>715957824
Yeah, everyone knows the first chapter of every story is dogshit. Everyone knows it's impossible to write a good first part of a story within 30 hours of gameplay.

I dare xiv players play literally any other fucking game.

>>715968340
>watch a game you love slowly die
Just stop watching.

>>715968038
some people liked the graha food scene in SHB so they started trying their hardest to turn that stupid shit into a recurring thing with increasingly goofier results, it's the same thing they do with any content that doesn't bomb spectacularly like potd and field ops
it's like this meme

>>715968340
Mrhappy is one of these faggots and retards

folderchad and archduke won

>>715958958
How can anyone have a conversation with outright retarded liars like you? Kill yourself.

>>715968297
people weren't biting their "gachashit is good actually" bait anymore

>>715959052
Fucking chang shill. The writing is nonsensical as all fucking Chinese gachaslop. I have never read such verbose and meaningless shit as Chinese gacha games.

>>715956214 (OP)
Fire the ethics department, fire the devs, replace the Scions with a harem of slampigs that pander to (You) instead of fujoniggers and troons.

this grind is autistic as fuck

>>715959902
>>715959990
I was watching a friend who recently picked it up play it and he got to the End of Dragons stuff in not!Korea and both of us were very confused as to why everyone was suddenly talking like teenage girls, I felt like they were one step from ending their sentences with "yeah sister!" and such. Felt quite quippy too.

>>715969235
I straight up and not entertaining that or the bunny coffer ones. I'm not even happy about the 100 Forked Towers one.

>they have SIX msq quests, before and after tiral scenes, and post trial shit to wrap up a few things like
>muh samsung upgraded regulators
>calyx
>speener
>gulool ja
>krile
>wuk stuff

i dont even think 7.4 is going to be about cum chalices. theres just no way

>>715969551
this happened to ff xiv too. the localizer is trash.

dead game

>>715969783
This, people talked tons of shit about Koji Fox but he got moved off XIV around, what... the end of Shadowbringers? And the game suffered tremendously without him. He's literally the soul of the game. Seeing them try to do gobbiespeak in Dawntrail without him was embarrassing.

>>715969704
That's not all

>>715958469
demolition system is greedy as fuck with the current patch cycles, so you take a break from one patch and your house is gone even before the next patch is out.

>>715969958
Updated one.

>>715969958
>>715970447
Oh wait, it was this one. This is the updated one. (I'm the one that took both of these lol, thanks for using them).

Can I get something different past "can it be saved" and Yoshida frowning every day, please?

>>715970447
>>715970512
I wonder if he'll continue doing these thumbnails/rants if it'll wind up de-inviting him for the Media Tour. I get being critical of something, but doing ragebait edits of the lead of a game is a pretty fast way to get you on a shitlist (again).

>>715956214 (OP)
Can Yugiri marriage be saved?

>>715970570
Sorry we don't have the budget for that

>>715970790
>small indie OP please understand

>>715956214 (OP)
from?

>>715956214 (OP)
>NOOOO IT WAS KRILE'S TURN
bet you didn't even finish eureka because it had too much gameplay and not enough "talk to NPC A and then NPC B" action for you

Hope you guys are ready for a scion to die in a really stupid way

>>715958298
They add QoL updates and improvements every patch, though.

>>715970860
I think you're being the disingenuous one. It was stated multiple times in dev interviews that Krile wasn't utilized in MSQ, and they wanted to rectify it. Especially by giving her a battle job.
And not only was her involvement teased in Dawntrail (CG trailer, artwork, storyline) it got pushed aside for Wuk.

>>715958885
Nothing, I’ve just been playing single player games. factorio at the moment

>>715970982
did it get pushed aside for wuk? or did they simply not do the thing they said they would
both are incriminating but one makes wuk the center of it, ironically

>dude there's NOTHING to fucking do in this game
Post your rarest stuff then and show us how much you've done
There's plenty of content you just want to do easy and instant satisfaction content

>>715970928
>scions dying at all in current year
if they were all allowed to survive Ultima Thule, they won't kill any of them off anymore
the scions are now just marketable characters, can't kill anyone off from the game anymore because they all need to be plushies and keychains instead

>>715970928
Shtola hasn't used her Flow spellcharge yet.

>>715958959
Mrhappy is so based.

>>715971053
They won't die (permanently) because they're your JRPG party

>>715970860
>I bet you didn't even fini-ACK

>>715957590
Lol you have no idea what youre talking about, must be one of the most ignorant posts i read this year

>>715958298
Seeing this meltdown rant really confirms as suspicion I had about him being "fake nice" on streams. I don't hate him, but I just had some kind of instinctual reaction to just how he presented himself.
>>715970965
It doesn't count apparently. To these kind of people, they just shout they want CHANGE. But they don't know what they want, and then complain when things do change.

>>715958730
>What was the experiment on the latest one?
better raids which was a huge complaint and was starting to bore the shit out of the developers too and was brought up as a focal point at fan festival

>>715971042
how about

>i've exhausted everything that i want to do in the game that can be accomplished in a reasonable time according to my schedule

>>715971042
>grinding transmogs and titles is content
Next your gonna tell me to go grind old ass content for mounts.

>>715971024
Both happened, it's not a mutually exclusive choice there.

>>715970762
Hope Hingashi is the focus of the nrxt expac
I want Wano adventures

>>715971172
>It doesn't count apparently. To these kind of people, they just shout they want CHANGE. But they don't know what they want, and then complain when things do change.
What they want is for YoshiP to open the live letter with "we have completely overhauled the game in 5 months and now it's Clair Obscur combined with World of Warcraft combined with whatever flavor of the month tickles your peepee at the moment."
There's advocating for evolution of a game, and there's wanting to dredge it all up and have it become something it never was. The latter just means you should be playing those games that already do that.

>>715956214 (OP)
>Kriles expansion
>Wuk gets the most attention even around her parents

>>715971251
being less subtle about it i don't think krile was "pushed aside" at all, wuk lamat was always gonna be that prominent whether anybody liked it or not because the expansion was handled strangely and dragged on way too long, and they straight lied about krile's involvement. i doubt wuk's heavy prominence has anything at all to do with krile and vice-versa her own getting sidelined in "her" expansion

for god's sake these people "forgot" repeatedly to put her in patch art

>>715971042
>there's plenty of content
none of it worth paying a sub for anymore
muh 5000 gorillion hunts and fish achievements would be retarded even in a f2p game

>>715968038
Because anytime an otomebait male does anything it's the most deep and interesting part of the game. Just look at how hard women suck off Erenville despite having the personality of cardboard.

>>715971416
You're just saying the same thing but in a roundabout way.

>>715971172
>>715971326
apparently it's unreasonable to expect one of the biggest mmorpgs in 2025 to have the basic QoL features almost every single other mmo has had for over 10 years

>>715957590
>1.5million endgame level players and 30k
Where did you get those numbers, looks like you made it up out of thin out.
Last lucky bancho census as done just before 7.25 and had 950k characters, not players characters in totality across all regions, NA, EU, OCE and JP.
If you're going to make up a number say where you got it from fat lad.

>>715971490
no i'm saying "sidelined for wuk" probably didn't happen and it's just making wuk the center of attention in a krile issue

>>715971042
Pretty sure my profile is private why do people even connect to shit like this

>>715971438
Erenville does have a semi interesting lead with the Cahcuia braids on that earth rabbit vidraal, if they introduce the idea that his mother was an earth monster just as a factoid about him and has no ulterior purpose or even relevance to him as a character I will kneel because that's funny as fuck

>>715971537
Which QoL feature are you referring to here?

>>715958885
>What game has replaced XIV for (You) while waiting for 8.0?
Dawntrail has caused me to play so many other games. I've been cleaning up my Steam backlog and also playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R. mods.

>>715971631
it feels like a lost plotline. i still feel that yuheweta or whatever the 7.1 dungeon is called could have been tied into the 7.0 MSQ

>>715967492
>Nail the Field Operation system in Bozja
It's already not nailed by the fact that you could teleport to CEs.

>>715971042
What site is this is again?

>>715963729
>Or you're a Lego person singing "everything is awesome" SE white knight
He got you good there.

>>715971042
spending... no, WASTING, 5000 hours on a shitty mount or title is not something you should be proud of

>>715960036
Sex with Krile?

>>715958885
Quit dawntrail a month in, I've played a lot of these games since
>Baldur's Gate 3
>Path of Exile 2
>Palworld
>Elden Ring
>Elden Ring Nightreign
>Slay the Spire
>Armored Core 6
>WoW War Within (remix event was fun)

>>715971792
Blaming white knights is strawmanning like fuck honestly, very odd point to end his post on

>raidniggas having a hissy fit about not enough content because square doesn't (fully, yet) cater to them and has other forms of content as well that don't pander to them
typical. they need to shit up any game they find themselves playing. and this despite the fact that yoship catered to them with criterion, forked tower and chaotic

>>715959867
Yes, and motherfuckers will fight you tooth and nail and tell you you're wrong when you tell them it's not an MMO. Some people just want to water down words to mean absolutely fucking nothing

>>715971042
>mtn dew mount only 3%
That can’t be right

>>715972009
Even worse is everybody super fucking loud about there not being an endless stream of ultimates and savage raids seems to be a streamer in some capacity

>>715959867
FFXIV isn't an MMO either so what's your point?

>>715958298
as much as i dislike llamatodd most of this is valid.
not having a regionwide PF in current year is so baffling, we have the same issue on EU where you have to go to Light to get anything done now, I just completely ignore my FC because i'm just on Light constantly.

Just another case of having to wait years for a fix for anything or even an acknowledgement that there's an issue. Are they doing anything? I've given up hope that I'll ever be able to play with NA friends with data center travel since australian travel seems to only exist to make that data center not seem so utterly isolated and dead.

>>715958885
Atlyss, Postal 2, Crash 4. I also recently got an FXPak Pro and an EverDrive 64, alongside a Retrotink 4k. So I've been playing N64 and SNES games. Currently replaying Conker BFD, Banjo Kazooie, and SMW. I've taken to buying old consoles for nostalgia's sake

>>715972097
Even forgot to fucking mention that they're adding a special hard mode deep dungeon boss.
But no, XIV now has trouble providing content because... uhhh where muh 7.3 Ultimate YoshiP

>>715972009
It already fully caters to them.
>release chaotic, multiple savage tiers, FT
even the foray was shite and only exists for the sake of having a new DRS for raidfags instead of a new CLL/Dal

>people saying it a waste to grind for minions, mounts, and titles
Do you guys not like MMOs? That’s legitimately the most mmo thing ever

>>715972132
it's quite simple: if it's not a problem on JP servers then it's not a problem.
there was another problem recently that was only a problem on western servers, yoshi-p had to log into them for a fanfest or something, actually saw it was an issue, then it got fixed overnight. i've forgotten what it was though

>>715972270
>It already fully caters to them.
It almost does. If it fully catered to them, Cosmic Exploration, Forays, Alliance Raids, Beast Tribes and Deep Dungeons wouldn't exist.
It'd just be Savage, Criterion, Ultimate and Chaotic.

>>715972273
>mounts
can't mount in cities to show them off
>titles
just like glamours, you can use mods to make my title whatever the modder wants, so their value is nil
>minions
they keep fucking unsummoning themselves and nobody fucking looks at them anyway

>>715971915
He's right to blame them, because you faggots are the loudest defenders of this fucking game over anything. You won't let people try and talk anywhere this game is talked about, airing out criticisms and things that need improving.

Take 7.0MSQ it is objectively a bad MSQ, it's poorly written, poorly paced, has problems with characters, with motivation for the PC, for motivation for the tertiary characters like the Scions, it has little to no gameplay elements for what is supposed to be still a game with far, far too many cutscenes.
All of that, all of that and more and yet STILL there are fuckers out there who defended tooth and nail the 7.0 MSQ saying "oh it's just the first part of the next 10 years it'll get better" or "you're a transphobe because you don't like wuk lamat!".
All to try and shut down any criticisms but thankfully this time, it didn't work.
There are far more people pissed off with 7.0 who aired their grievances and the messages has gone through this time, but previous long standing issues were drowned out by you obnoxious fuckers, those long standing issues which are also coming to light now because you white knights are now so few in number thankfully again compared to the people pissed off.

>>715972009
there's hardly any content for casualniggas either you dumbfuck
can't even talk about midcoreniggas, they died long ago waiting for content

>>715971042
>you vil do the DDR dance
No.

>>715972396
>just like glamours, you can use mods
Assuming mods are involved with an achievement, title, minion or gear-piece kinda takes you out of the conversation entirely

>>715972425
t;ldr

>>715972425
>you won't let us criticize it!
>stunlocked on 7.0 MSQ
Shan't. We're almost on 7.3, there is no argumentative or critical value in being quicksand trapped in 7.0 forever. Also this is over a guy who is obsessed with raids.

>>715972276
Yea westerns are fucking retarded and if you just followed what the most loud and annoying part of them you would just get nothing but savage and ultimate level fights.

>>715972437
Yeah if you don't count anything you don't engage with as content, then there's no content.
Your point?

>>715972450
people use mods to cheat on the fucking world first race and nothing gets done about it. everyone uses mods, and the number only increases every day. if you don't you're only handicapping yourself.

>you can't complain about no content because you didn't get all the fish in the game
why do people use this argument so much unironically, its stupid on its face. it doesn't help that the content we do get fucking sucks. the best content in dawntrail is arcadion and that's once every 8 months. occult crescent was lame and a huge step down from bozja.

>RAIDTRANNIES RUINED THE GAME SQUARE KILLED XIV BY CATERING TO RAIDTRANNIES
>look guys this raidtranny said xiv bad because he's mad that he doesn't get an ultimate raid in 7.3 and considers all non raid content to be without value
>WOW BASED WOW BASED WHITEKNIGHTS BTFO YOSHITPISS CRYING TEARS

>>715972593
>people use mods to cheat on the fucking world first race and nothing gets done about it.
Last big one they got their achievements stripped and could optionally turn in their rewards as a walk of shame

>>715972189
we own you
nobody gives a fuck btw

>>715972556
lets see your ultimate logs and list of mounts then

The game needs to be more than a lobby for PF/DF where you sit around and not do anything engaging.
People don't organically congregate anywhere around content.
SE shouldve seen the "best single player MMO" shit as an insult.

>>715972273
I want more story and new things to do in the game. Not grinding old, pointless content.

>>715972396
Anon I’m hold your hand when I say this but majority of players don’t use mods and you can still show off mounts in housing places. And people always looking at my golden beaver and feeding it. I have a feeling you’re a bit too jaded for this conversation

>>715972596
>t. nigga who sat in camp and teleported to CEs

>>715972643
He noteesd? Actiwate 7.0 main stowee complains

>>715972651
yes, like i said, nothing got done. if this was a serious game these people would be permanently banned with no recourse

>>715972710
>some people were lazy so we decided to make it worse for everyone
this is the same line of thought that creates the Forked Tower because you thought DRS had "too much support"

>>715958298
I'm #2. I only log in because of a few friends I have there otherwise I don't really do endgame content anymore. I got max level and jobs in the new eureka since it's just FATE grinding but I have no interested in forked tower
I genuinely would have quit already if not for my fc mates and loggin in just feels like a social obligation these days

Bozja was better than Occult Crescent, the only thing it was missing was a prettier zone.
>better CEs
>better big party dungeons
>better FATEs
>better abilities
>better xp system
>let you level lower jobs

>>715958885
WuWa ended up being a perfect replacer.

>waiting for 8.0
Hahaha, nah. After Dawntrail and XVI I'm as much interested in 8.0 as I'm interested in TES6 after Starfield. YoshiP is clearly working on other games these days, most likely XVII, and it's pretty obvious that game got nothing to offer when it's just him greenlighting whatever B team comes up with. If it's the same formula, same corridor dungeons, same cheap-ass emote-animated dialogues and same job balance, I'm out for good. Maybe XVII Online will be different.

>>715958298
I mostly agree, but
>No QoL updates
There's been a bunch though. Probably not in the areas he wants them in, because of the technical debt he mentions later.
The menus are unwieldy pieces of shit that require way too many clicks, and having to type /isearch [INSERT ITEM NAME HERE] to scan through your retainers is some stupid fucking shit.
>No longterm plan
They did say that 8.0 would have job reworks. I'd consider that a longterm plan, but I also don't believe that they're actually doing it so, fair enough.
>Bad new player experience
Having to do MSQ is actually good, because it's the actual good part of the game. Why would you want to rush to max level? He himself says that the end game fucking sucks

>>715972676
they are proud of the fact that people have to go through almost 200 hours of cutscenes to get to the endgame, they are oblivious to insults

>>715972778
>some people were lazy
Being lazy is a fucking built in feature there, r-tard.

>>715972643
Anon it isn’t wow now it’s osr lol

>>715972696
>majority of players don’t use mods
wrong

>>715958885
>while waiting for 8.0

>>715972776
>if this was a serious game these people would be permanently banned with no recourse
It's not actually that serious, the public shaming is a plenty good deterrent against those specific people cheating again. I think the devs take raids less seriously than the players given the lack of "legitimacy" or officiation for world-first races by the devs.

>>715972814
we don't sign our posts here

Remember the deep dungeon isn't coming until a month later at least, so the only thing to do in 7.3 is repeating the extreme.

>>715972837
I didn't say "wow "as in "world of warcraft", I said "wow" as in the age old interjection and expression of amazement.

none of this is impressive
i refuse to slave away for 8 months autistically killing s ranks
i refuse to clock in at pure grindslop content like diadem
the xiv devs don't have a creative bone in their body unless they're copying the framework wow gave them and they still fuck it up

>>715972797
>wuwu poster is back
Please kill yourself post haste

>>715972814
ok, so what? its still better than OC. OC has no reason to be paced the way it does. In Eureka not being able to teleport to FATEs was a way to punish players for not navigating well. You had to use your returns wisely and not go too far off to ensure you get every NM. In OC there is always a FATE or CE going on and teleportation is free so the location requirement is just there to waste your time.

You said the game has content? What is it?
Oh? That? Yeah, I don't do that because it's not raiding. Try again.

>>715972803
The game saying "No, either kill yourself or PAY EVEN MORE if you want to rush to endgame, tosspot" is legitimately really cool on their part.

>>715972797
anon, they can't barely offer content for a MMO with PS3 graphics, they aren't making a new mmo becaue if it fails, it's the end of square enix.

>>715972786
Castrum, DR and Dalridia were also fun and great not to mention it actually followed up on some storybits like Ivalice and Garlemald
Should have made Forked Tower like DR and make a normal and savage version for people who want to do it for the mount

>>715958885
>What game has replaced XIV for (You) while waiting for 8.0?
I ain't waiting for that shit. I just play the horse girl game now.

>>715972965
Nah, it means you actually have to get off your lazy ass and go to the location of the fight.
If you're unironically defending AFKing in a camp porting to CEs as a superior system, you are disqualified.

>>715958885
Nothing, I just doomscroll all day

>>715973019
Did gacha game developers get a memo that shilling their game in the FFXIV /v/ thread is the best way to attract new customers? First Wuthering Waves, now Uma Musume. Strange.

>FUCKING SHITHEADS I WANT A LONG TERM GOAL TO GRIIIND
>Yeah, uh no, I'm not grinding. Wtf lol. Do I look like cattle, or something?
Yeah. Yeah, you do.

Nice self report on everybody's part that they play FFXIV as a gacha and not as an MMORPG if fucking Umamusume and Wuthering Waves are replacing it for them

Your next line will be, "FFXIV isn't an MMO anyways" and getting surly about its legitimacy as an argument

>>715972991
its so weird that the game just stopped having lore or story outside of the MSQ. Bozja actually felt like things are happening whereas OC lore is literally just "its a museum"/

>>715973041
travel in OC is not interesting, it wastes your time. there is nothing fun about unlimited teleports to the nearest FATE/CE. Eureka was fun because you had to plan out your route. Bozja decided to just focus on the battles and get players into them. The convenience of the Bozja system was worth the minority of players AFKing in camp. We're not even getting into how the queuing system for CLL and Dalriada helped encourage casual players into that content. Its objectively better than OC in pretty much every aspect.

>>715973148
>xiv tranny afraid of losing players to gacha
be not afraid, you were going to lose players either way

>>715973191
Thank god XIV isn't being developed as the kind of game that appeals to gachafags. What the fuck.

>>715973148
More like gacha games are the new replacement to mmo's. You grind dailies and get new stories and events once in a while with the bonus of not having to interact with faggots to get what you want.

we went from people AFKing at the camp to people... AFKing at the camp aetheryte.

Wow they have to run for 20 seconds from the aethernet shard, so engaging :o

>fishing, hunting, maps bad
>gacha shit good

>>715973248
No wonder they get so fucking pissed about FFXIV if they expect it to play like a gacha and then they stick with it for twenty months anyways

>>715973191
14 doesnt have the appeal other MMOs do. nothing in the overworld matters, but then again that's a problem with modern mmos in general
t. boomer who grew up on everquest and classic wow

>>715973220
>he is defending teleporting
Alright, I gave you a few chances but you have proven to be incorrigible.

>>715973191
>xiv is so bad people can just replace it with dogshit gacha
KEKAROO

>>715973220
>queuing system for CLL and Dalriada helped encourage casual players into that content
Casual players need help getting into Alliance raids? What

>Day of the bulldozer hit yesterday
>There are now 272 open house plots on my server

>>715972596
>why do people use this argument so much unironically
Someone who only swims in the shallow will complain that the lake is too small. It's deflection, but it's ultimately geared towards the idea that complaints about a lack of content is because you don't engage with all the content.
If you want to respond, you should just be more specific in your complaint as to sound more reasonable. Instead of 'There's no content in the game' say 'There's not enough content that is X/Y/Z'. Or just call em a nigger, but that's less constructive.
Personally I think that there's not enough novelty in the battle content. It leads to what content there is to get incredibly stale very quickly.

>>715973148
>shilling their game in the FFXIV /v/ thread is the best way to attract new customers?
Is it?
Because I've only grown less interested in looking at that stuff, and I was already disinterested to begin with.

>>715973191
What did you do in FFXIV this month?
Fucking moron

>>715973280
hunting ironically sucks now thanks to world and dc travel. now it's just camping by limsa aetheryte waiting for the discord ping of an S rank popping then praying you get there and miss the queue before it dies to get your +1 credit for the mount

at least back before world transfer there was some degree of community with hunt linkshells calling things out in-game

>southern front FATEs scale fine
>Zadnor gets retarded with FATE scaling safe spot
>FATEs scale even worse in OC
Why?

>>715973332
btw when people mention "white knights" they're talking about players like this who even found a bullshit way to defend the original forked tower system

If there was anything to do in FFXIV, the white knight brigade infesting these threads would be playing instead of actively scanning for threads.

>A raidtranny is mad that there's no ultimate in 7.3!
Okay. Am I supposed to be upset about this? If anything, they should be making raidtrannies more upset.

>>715962267
>t. banned for being transphobic
Not possible while they're still in power. Only thing you can do is make a new project, vet everyone that wants a position of power, and make sure trannies don't infiltrate by all means. Only then can you get a tranny-free product.

oh you haven't afked in the hunt mafia discord for 3 years waiting for S rank spawns to be announced? sorry champ looks like you haven't even started playing the game yet!

>>715973191
Gachas are pretty close to being a singleplayer MMO, and XIV is pretty close to being a singleplayer MMO. It really isn't surprising at all.
Gachas scratch the "number go up" itch better than XIV, and that's usually been the bread and butter of MMO's

>>715973359
everybody bellyaching about lowering player-counts should probably point to the large numbers of plots opening up from auto-demo as an actual metric instead of getting autistic about months old data, but this would also require them to play the game they hate

>>715973442
>camping by limsa aetheryte bad
>>715973220
>camping by Bozja aetheryte good
Not sure how we reconcile this game

Which Writer from which FF could safe it or do we need a Writer that is not from Japan?

>>715973390
>Personally I think that there's not enough novelty in the battle content. It leads to what content there is to get incredibly stale very quickly.
That used to be found in the job complexity. A bunch of novel things each could do in various contents. All those "useless buttons" people bitched about. Now they're left with trying to replace it in the encounter design and failing miserably.

>I want to grind
>NOT LIKE THAT!!!

>>715973221
>the game where you idle while alt-tabbed playing other games
>vs
>a genre where you log in for 30 minutes a day to do your chores for tiny amounts of pull currency then log out
Gaming really has brought a shovel to rock bottom.

>>715973635
>quoting two different people as if they were the same
also I said that the convenience offered by bozja's system was worth the few lazy people who decided to AFK at camp. but ig slopeaters can't read

>>715973638
Sakaguchi

>>715973695
>bozja AFK teleport hog
>calls others slop eaters
Lul.

>>715973695
Yeah that's the point that it's two different people retard. It's two people that want vastly different things both complaining.

>>715973530
It took a lopng time for them to find themselves in those positions, it's going to be a long time turfing them out. The tide has well and truly shifted but it will take years for it to wash over everything.

>>715973538
don't bother replying to the trannies, they're white knighting in every ffxiv thread using the same reaction images being intellectually dishonest

>>715973458
The guy that implemented float getFateScaling(AreaState state); quit

>>715973531
Someone needs to pump Zero until she remembers the joys of womanhood

>>715973754
Sakaguchi wrote Spirits Within

>>715973829
>calls others trannies
>as a gachatroon
jej

>>715973458
Are all the OC fates like that one magitek fate in Zadnor Z3 that gets absolutely demolished? I haven't played it

>>715958885
fantasy life, diablo 2. picked up hearthstone again for a bit as well. i might pick up worlo classic for the upcoming TBC

>>715973940
right on cue, thanks tranny

>>715973458
Only thing I can think is that’s they lost the way to scale fates because bozja fates were fine

>>715973960
When the entire instance is bumrushing the FATE? Yeah.
When the rest of the instance is in a CE, then the three to six people you're with will take a while.

>>715973778
It's a sad state of affairs, but I can only hope they finally pull the trigger on their own skull at some point in their lives. What should've been a self-correcting issue is put on overflow due to all of the propaganda and genuine grooming that turns mentally unstable people (who need help) into these disgusting freaks of nature.

>>715973960
FATEs go down really easy, CEs have some teeth to them. FATEs seem intended as just kinda something to do if you're grinding demiatmas for the relic or just in-between CEs since the latter pop almost fucking constantly with or without grinding

The gameplay can't. They've already adopted the retail WoW model of endless daily chores. That's easily the worst part of the game. Every day you log in, you have 2-3h of never ending dailies to perform, purely to keep up with the new content, instead of doing stuff you actually want to do. It's dogshit.

the thing with the teleports is that its even more convenient in OC than in bozja because return is free. the only thing thats added is an additional 30 seconds to travel to the CE point, but travel in OC is so trivial a monkey could do it. so its essentially bozja's system if bozja had a 30 second loading screen every time you entered a CE. it fits the general theme of OC of taking bozja but making it less convenient because thats what eureka did (without understanding why eureka did it)

Caring about mounts/minions/anything kind of feels pointless now with how easy they make getting older stuff. Legit got all the Eureka bunny chest mounts from bronze chests in OC. Plus with Moogle Tome events offering previous rare items it kind of kills the incentive to farm or care about this stuff since it'll probably be a freebie down the line. Like, how long until they make the 20 million copycat cassy minion or deinochaser mount from Dalridia a common drop and crash the market and make it a waste of time if you ever farmed for them.

>>715973995
>gachasow thinks xir opinion matters
>ever
funniest joke

>>715973960
Its like every fate in zadnor 3 that gets wiped ten seconds after the first person arrives

>>715974074
What the fuck are you talking about? Beast tribes?

kill all ultimate/savagefags

>>715974074
>Every day you log in, you have 2-3h of never ending dailies to perform, purely to keep up with the new content, instead of doing stuff you actually want to do.
?

>>715973647
I think novelty needs to be in both. Job Complexity and heterogeneous design is important, but having that with dull encounter design is going to lead to a sense of boredom as each fight will feel the same, similar to how jobs feel like subclasses right now.
I think dungeons are the worst offenders right now. I really wish they'd move away from the rote hallway design (Or worse, the moving platform design) and start doing something interesting in them.

>>715974208
NTA
I think he means Roulettes

>>715974167
You're the one who wants to grind.

>>715974239
dungeons would be more interesting if they allowed for more extreme wall to wall pulls that actually tested mitigation and healing, but now they don't even give you the option and forcibly block you from progressing after only 2 packs

>>715974074
WoW doesn't even have dailies anymore. You just gotta get your 8 mythic dungeons done a week and do your weekly raid if you raid at all and thats really it.

>>715974121
>Legit got all the Eureka bunny chest mounts from bronze chests in OC.
In fairness Eureka bunny chests are total bullshit, even if I also agree they're *too* easy in OC.
>Like, how long until they make the 20 million copycat cassy minion or deinochaser mount from Dalridia a common drop and crash the market and make it a waste of time if you ever farmed for them.
Cassie earrings or minions crashing and becoming another commonly available Eureka piece like the Baldesion Arsenal armors would make me laugh really hard

I want to have fun with the game and I do when I engage with it on a short term basis (like a few hours a week) but it actually feels antagonistic if I want to play it for like 40 hours a week.

>>715974208
>>715974238
This delusional take from fanboys is brutal. The tomestone grind fucking blows. The roulette humping to get your weekly limited tomestones fucking blows. It is compelled gameplay, and is absolutely a form of daily quest. It was bad back in HW, and it's only gotten worse over the years. It's a shitty system.

>>715974208
14 took the opposite approach to rep grinding to WoW in that rather than being required for raiding like it was back in BC-era at least it's completely pointless in 14 unless you want the associated mount and minion.

>>715974074
>dailies dailies dailies
I understand why you'd think this is a gacha thread, but read again.

>>715974208
i NEED to run MSQ Roulette everyday to keep up with my capped tomes

>>715974279
that's 5 days of 15 minutes of a dungeon or so

>>715974347
>dungeons were more interesting when allowed...
ftfy

The beast tribe stuff desperately needs something new, teaching these proud ancient societies basic agriculture over and over again is getting stale

>>715974347
Extreme wall to wall being interesting is a result of the poor class design and it makes playing the class more interesting in the dungeon. It doesn't actually make the dungeon more interesting to play through.

>>715958959
mrhappy always, constantly used to say, "if you don't like the game then unsub to let the devs know! thats the healthy way of showing your feedback" but then the one time the playerbase actually follows his advice he goes full white knight mode

>>715974490
shut up and glue those 2 pieces of wood together because something something unity something something coming together something something papa's peace

Bot type posts itt.

>>715958236
There's really not a point. If you're in a Free Company with a house (e.g depending on your permissions or how much the higher ups who tend to it share via chest you have access to gardens, stables, and a personal private room to play decorator/roleplay/idle in on top of the workshop) there's literally no point unless you're running a venue, which itself is better accomplished with an FC house due to the extra rooms and the fact you can just make a shell FC.

>discord trannies derailing every xiv criticism thread
do you think they work for Kate?

FFXIV needs more variety in its quests

>>715974549
He's right, though.

>>715974584
>wuk derangement syndrome

>>715974704
yes hes right its just funny that the one time it actually happened is when he started to get all pissy at people for complaining, he didn't mind complaining at all back in Endwalker and early Dawntrail when player numbers were normal.

>>715974690
ANOTHER TURTLE HAS MADE IT TO THE WATER

>>715974429
You WILL log in every day even if it's ONLY to run one dungeon for the bonus roulette tomestones. If you don't, then you WILL lose tomestones.

WoW did this bullshit back in TBC, and it was cancer back then too. FFXIV gameplay is lazy as shit and MMOs in general need to stop with limited time resources designed to make everyone log in every single day. It's the best way to turn your game into a job that players quit to do anything else.

>>715974347
They need to make more trash like that one room in Sil'Dihn Subterrane criterion where you had to avoid patrols and kill the mobs one-by-one. That was an actual fun trash room because you had to pay attention to patrols and what the mobs were doing
Can't have trash mobs punishing you for mistakes though, dungeons are meant to be done in 15-20 minutes and wipes are NOT allowed to happen

Listen up chud.
Dumb grind for waifu jpgs good.
Dumb grind for mounts bad.

>>715974791
it was endearing with the old grandma at blizzcon doing the voice lines but I think it also allowed blizzard to make light of problems the game had and just turn it into a joke that never gets resolved

>>715974824
>Dumb grind for waifu jpgs good.
and by grinding you mean gambling

>>715974789
I think he just defies the notion that all content that isn't raidfagging is basically nonexistent, topped by a guy who just calls everyone who tells him off whiteknights off rip

>>715974813
Nigger you can cap tomes with 2.5 hunt trains, just do them whenever. Or just do any max level content, it all gives tomes.

>>715974886
what problem? repetitive voice lines in some throw away world quest?

>>715974892
Grind for (or buy) the currency to gamble for waifu jpgs.

If Yoshida's done anything right in recent months it's talk about how there is a FUCKING ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF RAGEBAIT SURROUNDING THIS GAME HOLY SHIT

>>715974364
I have capped my tomes every week and I haven't done a roulette since last July when 7.0 came out

>>715974907
no i think he just got really nervous that the playerbase actually decided to unsub for once after hearing just how dismal 7.3 looked, yoship and crew decided to dogeza ultra hard and fix forked tower ASAP to appease the shareholders, while mrhappy is trying the passive agressive kate approach of shaming the audience for being so ungrateful.

>>715974813
Bro it's legitimately like 1 hr and 15 minutes of a dungeon spread over 7 days
or hitting up every roulette that gives heliometries twice.

>>715974937
No. I'm not doing compelled gameplay anymore. It's why WoW sucks, and it's why FFXIV sucks. An MMO should have the spine to say "do whatever you want, whenever you want, and you won't miss anything".

FFXIV felt that way 1000x more during ARR and HW. They've kept leaning into the WoW model of content, and shit sucks. It's a shame.

>>715974819
the devs have this bug in them where the ONLY way to make something fun is to make it difficult and punishing, idk why they think this.

>>715974074
>instead of doing stuff you actually want to do.
what would that be, exactly?

>>715974950
People are saying stuff is horseshit and they're just "lol look at grandma"

>>715974937
Or don't bother.
You don't need it for any content.
Savage can be done full crafted. BiS isn't actually important. Ults just need ilvl.
What else is there for it? Number go up?

>>715974354
>WoW doesn't even have dailies anymore. You just gotta get your 8 mythic dungeons done a week and do your weekly raid if you raid at all and thats really it.
that's what he's complaining about in XIV too. Doing 5 dungeons across a week to get your 450 maths.

i want a game that gives me things to do
but i also wont do them unless i feel compelled to
but if im compelled that makes it homework and then the game is shit
but also i want something to grind for
but im going to ignore the grinds there are because my time is worth more than that
why doesn't yoship just listen to what i want its so fucking simple

>>715974982
Ragebait doesn't exist, or when it didn't it didn't matter, when people were satisfied with the game.
Removing the ragebait doesn't remove the overall sentiment towards the game.

>>715975198
trvth nvke sister, game is saved, everyone will resub now, game is perfect

>>715975170
Doing 5 regular dungeons across 7 days to cap is considerably less onerous than 8 mythic dungeons at the highest level where the gear still upgrades and then weekly raids for three chances at getting something that is useful for you but also all 3 might be basically worthless.

>>715972797
Wuwa is nothing like XIV. Stop this retarded comparison.

>>715975125
Behold, the brainrotted mind of the modern MMO player. It is incapable of playing a game without a prime directive at all times.

>>715975265
thanks xister when are you transitioning. you're starting to sound like a wxman already. got that sassy bitchy passive-aggressive attitude that just screams weave-snatching girly girlness. slay queen

>thread starts
>normal discussion
>halfway through thread image spam starts
>at the end of image spam thread devolves into catty bitchfight between two sides with no discussion being had
why does this happen every thread

>>715975365
I'm saying that for most people I know, the dailies are literally the only content.
After they are done... then what? Well, then it's...socializing. Hanging out in town. Going to clubs. I dunno wtf else you do that is "more worth your time." please explain.
What's that? oh, you can't

>>715975247
I bet you if content creators en masse said that DT is the best the game has ever been a good chunk of the community would follow behind.
It sure was the case in ShB and EW when all of the things DT now gets shit for were "le based epic you can play the game whenever you want to and the grinds are totally optional this means it respects your time praise yoship"

>>715975290
>5 regular dungeons in XIV
Completely braindead content that you're doing ONLY because you want the tomes
>Mythic+ dungeons
Actual content you play the game for

Yes, doing the M+ dungeons takes more time and is significantly more difficult to do, but it is actually the stuff why you're subbed in the first place

>>715975170
>>715975290
How do you not understand this concept? Being compelled to do anything as a daily chore is garbage gameplay. It's garbage content.

I'll show an example between vanilla WoW and TBC that came directly after it:

Vanilla
>run these dungeons as many times as you'd like, whenever you want, to collect this gear

TBC
>the only dungeons that matter are heroic versions, these are limited to once per day, and if your group fails, you have to skip it for the day

Compelled gameplay is the best way to kill your MMO, and FFXIV is doubling down on that model with every xpac instead of having a real sandbox to explore.

XIV honestly sucks shit because it's too lazy to give good farms.
Imagine if raid mounts actually required going back and farming over time. Like you killed Omega Savage weekly for a chance at the mount and you could only do it once a week. It'd give people a long term goal. Instead, it's just thrown at you. Everything about XIV feels so lackadaisical.

>>715975459
you're presuming that there's multiple individuals spamming and arguing

>>715975470
>I'm just saying, what you've described as the problem is definitely the problem

Congratulations, you found the point. That's why FFXIV isn't fun to play anymore.

>>715973148
No, people just realized that chinks make better game than modern cucked-out japs.

Why are there so many trannies in this game? There are 5 in the FC I lurk in (and they are the loudest most frequent posters) and when I raid there's two in my group and they are always the ones causing drama, getting offended over the smallest shit or talking about outside world politics while we're trying to focus on our raid.
One of them talking about how he got an injection against aids or something I have no fucking idea but he was talking about it lets him be fucked in the ass without getting aids. That was far too much information I ever needed to hear in my life, I'm so fucking sick of these people.
The politics is what companies they're boycotting this week because of Israel and Palestine, I think someone said they had a MaccyDs and one of the trannies started having a go at him "it's on the boycott list you know!".

>>715975523
>Mythic+ dungeons
>Actual content you play the game for
Gross.

>>715974813
Laughs in hunt train or I just do some OC grinding

>>715975486
ShB and EW had all those problems but the promise of good MSQ put everyone into a haze. Travel and quest design were still shit talk to three people back in ShB, but people willfully ignored them. It was only when the MSQ dam broke that all hell went loose and all the bottled up complaints kept flooding out at once.
also you give ecelebs too much credit, this isn't wow. the biggest xiv streamer gets, what, 1000 viewers on twitch? if hes lucky? most people don't really care about them.

>>715975373
yas I knowww, waiting for my mans to pay for my pills but he said he cant due to costs or something..... anyway we should frot

>>715975571
Oh and Moogle tomestone events added a buff when they came around where the mount drop rates were buffed a few % to incentivize people going all in on that event.

>>715975641
Waifu character models combined with a dress up game in the form of glamours and dyes.

XIV and Retail WoW's biggest issue is it has absolutely zero staying power for 90% of its zones so it doesn't feel like a living world anymore. At least in Classic/Pservers, GW2, ESO and others there are always people running around leveling or doing events. You go into the overworld in XIV you'll be lucky to see a sprout doing his MSQ quest and maybe a gatherer.

>>715975327
But that's wrong, they're very alike when it comes to game design of their stories. 1.0 and ARR are also very alike in being rushed, poorly paced and underwhelming compared to content that comes right after.
They're both jRPGs, one just pretends to be an MMO.

>>715975732
>>715975571
Artificial scarcity is the lazy farm anon. One shotting the same boss for 8 years is not good content.

Before the thread dies, check your server to see how many plots opened up after Day of the Bulldozer.

https://zhu.codes/paissa?world=79

>>715975571
>forcing you to stay subbed longer by putting raid mounts on a gacha system
thank fuck you're not part of cbu3

>>715975571
The dev team think loot in an MMO shouldn't be the driving factor for a grind. Retarded isn't it? We know this thanks to Kate Cynwar, the head localiser after her Bluesky Crashout.

>>715975849
224 holy shit lmao

>>715975571
Savage mounts should be 100% drop on patch, and then 1% drop or 99 totems afterwards.

>>715975849
>Lich 11 slots open
I don't believe this for a second. When I unsubbed on DT launch, there were more than 11 in my ward alone

>>715975486
Okay shadowbab, you obviously don't know the time when the game was routinely shit on by content creators. Nobody cared because they don't dictate sentiment. They have a far lower effect than you think.
If anything you have the driving force reversed. Sentiment will dictate what comes from the content creators.
They're an indicator, not a cause.

>>715975841
Nah, it gives people a long term goal rather than just going in and doing it once and being limpdick handed a mount you will never use again. Just look at WoW and people still farming raid mounts from WoTLK and Cataclysm today. People who still pursue Ashes of Al'ar, or Invincible. Or Gul'dan's mounts. You don't have that in XIV because it has no meaning. You do the raid once, and it gets handed to you on a platter. Hurray. Just as meaningless as anything else. May as well be a Magicked Prism for all it's worth.
>>715975851
I know you like that it's all handed to you easily, but the lack of friction fundamentally makes it devoid of value.
>>715975990
Correct.

>>715976042
So you're saying content creators didn't drive people en masse dicksucking the WoWfugees and waxing poetic about how good XIV is because it has such a good long story, and optional grinds, and you can quit whenever you want to, and it has systems to acquire gear that harken back more to older, more well liked versions of WoW, and there's so much social interactions and all that?
All things which are le bad now, except maybe the story, but even that gets spun as a bad thing at least half of the time now.

>>715976061
What lack of friction? You still have to clear the content for multiple weeks. It's not any better if you get that mount 3 expansions later when you can solo the fight with better gear just because you finally lucked out on the drop.
But since you like mount grinding so much, why don't you post your character's name and mount list.

>>715976032
September 19 is the date for EU housing armageddon, get ready.

>>715975849
7 on my world.

>>715975849
>323 in Gilgamesh
RIP

>>715975849
sisters... our game is dying...

>>715976239
>It's not any better if you get that mount 3 expansions later when you can solo the fight with better gear just because you finally lucked out on the drop.
You protest too much, but the fact is that when someone gets Invincible in WoW after 10 years, they're stoked.
When someone gets the Alexander Prime savage mount (can't even remember the name LOL), they shrug and move on with their day and never use it again.
Being handed everything has reduced its values, and shrank the avenues of old content for players for no gain.

>>715975849
>IP logger

>>715975849
>be unsubbed for 7 years
>sub again for DT release
>FC still exists somehow, haven't done anything with them since HW
>rank in FC unchanged
>unsub again
>6 months later get an email notifying me to log in or lose FC house
>I've somehow received plot ownership because everyone else left

Letting that bad boy get bulldozed too.

weekly capped currency cringe
weekly lockout on a 0.01% mount I won't see before I die HOLY POGGERS

>>715976267
There's no fucking way Alpha has no open plots. It's one of the new servers. The data has to be incorrect.
Not going to download the game to check though

>>715976358
If a mount is only interesting because it has a .01% droprate then it isn't interesting

>>715976381
My immediate thought as well, why the fuck would you click a link that you don't recognise on this website?

>>715975849
>balmung
>119

jesus christ

>>715976482
It's probably just that nobody bothered to check.

>>715976542
You just learned about the basis of grinds and farms.
People who own the Triceratops or Tiger mount today wouldn't give half a shit if they didn't spend months working for it.

>>715976558
>Balmung has a Lavender Beds plot 11 open
Lottery system is going to crash

>>715976061
you are a gambling addict and should immediately delete all the gachas you have installed

>>715976358
>when someone gets Invincible in WoW after 10 years, they're stoked
so is a retarded manchild when he is gifted some capeshit funko pop
you have to be a moron to actually think this would ever be a worthwhile "grind", hard to even call it a grind when it's literally just a weekly gamba
talk to a therapist and touch some grass if you think this is what a good "grind" is

>>715976473
FFXIV seems to be getting assfucked by the deterministic system that was widely praised just 3 years ago or so. Quite funny.

>>715976473
This. Lockouts and weekly caps are the indicators of a shitty MMO.

>>715976358
>Alexander Prime savage mount
Funny you mention that one, I use it cuz I only have mech mounts on my mount roulette and it looks alright.

>>715976662
is that the large house next to the waterfall?

>>715976176
Narrow view.
The complaints aren't new but they were lessened by other factors. Pair that with people unwilling to acknowledge them as issues or brushing them off for whatever reason.
The problems being complained about have not only gone unresolved, they're been made worse.
The good things that people praised then are now also significantly worse.
The wowfugee honeymoon phase is over so people are more willing to be critical of it instead of defending new favourite thing.
Overall, a much worse state.
And even this is the simplifed take. We've got memetics, trajectory, expectations and more on top.

>>715976613
Yeah but they're actually working on it at their own pace. Not gambling

>>715976682
>>715976726
Look, you can hate me all you want. But you can't say I'm wrong because I'm not positing a hypothesis: I'm observing reality.

>>715976770
>at their own pace*
*as long as your pace is 1 loot roll per week

>>715975459
Dumpy doesn't poison the well he actively shits in it
I think "FFXIV" might actually flag your post as spam and not let you send it if you try making a thread with that now

>>715976358
You're a retard and mount hunting is F tier "content". There's a reason why Invincible was a 100% droprate while Heroic ICC was current content. It was a trophy for clearing the fight before it had become irrelevant and trivialized.

FFXIV's mistake is handing these mounts to unsync'd groups.