the absolute state of gen z gamers

>gen z doesn't put up with games designed to suck all the time out of your day
based

>>715962558
you're not saving time though, you're straight up cheating.

>>715962558
You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

>>715962608
You're also straight up cheating if you self improve after being branded a loser. Who cares anymore

i'm old and tired.
i don't even use save states anymore, i just watch the old retro games i grew up with on youtube

>>715962362 (OP)
>Game takes less than an hour to complete
>Developers make it unfairly difficult
>At worst it's an arcade game designed to make you lose and pay more (even modern live service games are better)
>"You don't understand! You have to accept it and spend hours on end replaying the same stupid moment designed to make you lose!"

>>715962362 (OP)
back in my day I beat games with the Game Genie.

>>715962941
i'm old and tired and I'm better at retro games than i ever was

>>715963007
beating contra and megaman 2 without cheating is pretty satisfying.

>>715962558
>Gotta save my time for all that doomscrolling

>>715962947
you could just not play it and accept that you're a pussy instead of pretending that you've beaten it

>>715962608
A very minor "cheat". You still have to beat everything using your own skills, it's just that the punishment for failing is much smaller

>>715962721
does not using save states help you get laid or something? who the fuck cares?

Who cares about “beating” a game? Single player games are literally designed to be beaten.
>oh I saw the credits
>in a game handcrafted for me to be able to do so
This gives you a sense of accomplishment? At least in PvP games you’re actively triumphing over someone else.

>>715963107
I don't give a shit what you think
I play games to enjoy them, not to get approval from a 40 year old fat faggot like you

>>715963096
oh, the same shit you're already doing on here? fucking faggot.

>>715963117
Does shitposting help you get laid? Does being a massive faggot help you get laid?

>>715963305
kys

>>715963301
>I'm retarded
Thanks for sharing.

>>715963374
>no u
wow good one!

>>715962947
this but unironically
if you can't deal with a little bit of trial and error it's all on you

>>715963352
So that's a no. Guess you should do something else then, since getting laid seems to be your one and only metric for worth.

i was just making a point you fucking dumbass

Might as well cheat infinite health at that point

>>715962362 (OP)
>use save states when I manually load to skip load times
>use save states at annoyingly long and tedious areas like star ocean 3's railcar
>somehow that's not completing the game
lol

>>715963547
/thread

>>715963435
If a game can't make me care about playing it fairly that's its problem
I'll never think of cheating if I'm enjoying the game
You're exaggerating and defending frankly shitty and just plain outdated game design from the days when difficulty was the only way to make a game last longer than an hour

>>715963514
you may as well go fuck yourself at this point you fucking nigger

>>715962362 (OP)
They're the ones who rather talk to AI chatbots instead of other people too

Pretty sure there's at least one that killed themselves because AI told them to as well

>>715963453
>guy that can't get laid downplaying the importance of getting laid
don't listen to this faggot, the number one reason to live is to fuck.

>>715963650
Don't play a game you don't want to spend time playing

>HESOYAM
>It's not cheating because I didn't modify the game in any way

>>715962558
I'm 42 and still don't understand why anyone outside the couch you're currently playing on should give a shit how you beat a game

Save states and the fast forward on emulators have made me enjoy games far more than when I did as a kid.

>>715963714
at least ai chatbots don't tell you to fuck off and google it

>>715963824
>ai chatbots don't tell you to fuck off and google it
>He doesn't know

>>715962362 (OP)
>no mention of gen Z anywhere in the poll
>"!IT'S DA ZOOMERS"
why is /v/ like this?

>>715963798
>Cheat Activated
>not cheating

>>715963903
i know how ai works

>>715963925
The oldest zoomers are 29 years old this year.
This website is 90% zoomers if I had to guess.

>>715962362 (OP)
>very easy
>cheats
>save states
>10 youtube walkthroughs in the background
>b-but i beat the game i swear!

>>715964026
this didn't happen

The more I watch other people play games the more I realize the average "gamer" is complete dogshit at them. It doesn't surprise me they need to cheat with savestates and then cope about how it's not cheating. The amount of times I hear "one of my favorite games" before a stage 2 game over is absurd. Learn how to play games you posers.

>>715963108
>A very minor "cheat"
is this bait? any tough retro platformer becomes piss easy with save states and can be beaten in 30 minutes. you have to spend several hours learning the levels and enemy patters so you can get through it all without running out of lives. when you're loading a save state you're skipping pretty much all the content the game has to offer.

>>715964084
>any tough retro platformer becomes piss easy with save states

>>715962558
>>gen z doesn't put up with games designed to suck all the time out of your day
Gen Z loves gachaslop and battle passes.

>>715964043
>i-i beat the game ok!?

>>715964294
save states aren't cheating

>>715964362
>being able to defeat entropy and undo mistakes infinitely isn't cheating
It's actually the biggest cheat since even invincibility won't save you from bottomless pits.

You mean the absolute state of redditors. That's a Reddit poll.

>>715962608
Games cheat against players all the time. Don't get mad, get even.

>>715964452
it depends on how you use them

>>715964551
Any amount of rewinding time to undo a mistake is cheating of the highest order.

>>715964620
tryhard

>>715963997
The real zoomer cutoff is in 2002

What is even the point of playing the game if you're going to cheat with save states? The whole point of playing a game is to have fun. Sure, if you're a braindead sociopath, you can argue that using save states "saves time," but if that's the case, why the FUCK are you playing this game if you consider the whole experience a waste of time? Just so you can claim you "beat it?" Makes no fucking sense to cheat just so you can lie about having bragging rights. Again, the whole reason to play games is to have fun.

>>715964670
>not cheating is being a tryhard
Kids these days.

>>715964670
Stop playing games you don't want to play

>>715964731
>Makes no fucking sense to cheat just so you can lie about having bragging rights.
It does when you consider the average retard today only does things for attention, or "clout" as they call it.

Question needs to be more specific. I wouldn't say there is anything "ungamer" about using the sleep function on your PS5 or whatever and then returning to that game in progress later. Also, many old PC games (for the worse) ONLY had save state options.

But yes if you are quicksave + quickloading on an emulator you did not experience the game.

>>715964770
>YOU CAN ONLY PLAY THE GAME THIS WAY

>imagine being 'peer pressured' in the year 2025
>to some fat neckbeard on a tranny grooming board

>>715964670
>>715965195
actual zoomie faggot

>>715962721
It’s just a game

>ITT: tryhards, tryhards everywhere!

>>715964731
What if you like a game but don’t enjoy something from it? What if I like some of the gameplay and maybe the world building but not the combat? What if I like the combat but not the puzzles?
>noooo youre having fun wrong
Okay? Do I look like I care?

Who cares about "beating" digital toys? Isn't fun the most important thing when playing? Millions play gacha not to beat them, but to have fun

>>715965769
Sounds like the game isn't that good if you need blitz chunks of it.
And if you didn't care, you wouldn't be discussing your preference to do so.

>>715962558
Which is why you have ridiculous grindslop at the top of the charts and people spending more hours on video games than ever before.

>>715966009
>FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU GET CANCER AND DIE! YOU WILL ONLY PLAY GAMES THE EXACT WAY I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PLAYED! OTHERWISE YOU'RE GAY AND RETARDED!

>>715964258
That game does not have save states. It is designed with there being only saves at the start of each level.

>>715966009
that's fake fun though. real fun is getting through tough obstacles.

>>715966419
so... kinda similar to how people use save states in retro games?

>>715966513
No? Is that supposed to be a gotcha?
Each game is designed with different sections having saves in mind.

>>715966427
>there's only one way to have fun playing a game

>>715966009
It can't be that fun if you don't want to beat it

>>715966009
>Millions play gacha not to beat them, but to have fun
lol

>>715966591
so... the stages are made to be as difficult as possible so you have to play it over and over again? kinda like retro games?

I recently finished Aria of Sorrow. Played through the entire game legitimately without save states until the final boss, which would subject me to unskippable cutscenes both before the fight and unskippable cutscenes AND bad ending credits after dying. I used two save states. One at the start of the fight and one at the start of phase 2. I didn't 'beat' the game, but I got to see the true ending so that's good enough for me. Worst Castlemania.

>>715966765
No. Meatboy is designed for quick burst stages while most older games would be slightly longer but also incorporate checkpoints and lives as a reward system to give you additional tries before booting you to redo the stage again

>>715962362 (OP)
I beat StarCraft back in the day using cheats, and then without cheats after I had improved my skills. The fact that you think this is somehow unique to zoomers means you're probably a zoomer yourself

>>715962362 (OP)
I agree, you haven't beaten a game if you follow its pre-set rules. It just led you along like the sheep you are. A true gamer absolutely destroys the game to the point it gives up and stops working.

>>715966856
That's probably what I use save states for the most as well; skipping otherwise unskippable cutscenes and stuff of that nature. I really wish I had save states even for modern games, as some devs still haven't figured this shit out. Also, you're objectively wrong. AoS isn't even the worst Igavania, let alone the worst Castlevania

>>715966968
saves states make every game something you can play in short bursts. it's not like i'm using rewind, because THAT'S what actaul cheating looks like.

My most vivid childhood memories is getting to the end of Sonic 2 and losing all my lives and continues on the 2 final bosses that doesn't give you a single ring to deal with which would lead to me crying and banging the controller while my dad laughed.

He'd tell me if I give it another chance, he'll guarantee that I'll have the skill and memorization from before to do it. He'd only say that because he'd enjoy watching me fail an hour or 2 later.

So you bet I used the save feature with the Sonic collection on PS2. Fuck limited continues, fuck SEGA and fuck you.

>>715964258
>2010
>retro

>>715967309
If you're using it as alternative to passwords sure. If you're using it to cheese obstacles or bosses in a 3 min long stage, it's cheating

>>715962608
Ok, who cares?
Are they getting better jobs, homes and bitches because they didnt really beat a game?
No? Then WHO GIVES A SHIIIIIIIT.
T.boomer

>>715967521
it's getting there...

>>715962362 (OP)
There's legit reasons save states are fine.
>old game has a pants on head retarded save system
>unskippable cutscenes pre or post something in the game

>>715967809
HD will never be retro

>>715966050
>no you don’t know about having fun let me tell you how you should have fun
vegan or cyclist?

>>715967850
>t./vr/ janny

>>715967892
Cheat in infinite health or no clip through everything if you don't want to deal with the gameplay of the game. Saves more time

>>715963374
Don't deny that you're wasting your time on here. Going back and forth with some random stranger online on 4chan and then getting upset when someone calls you out on it.
kek!

>>715964694
>the real zoomer cutoff is what I feel it is

>>715962362 (OP)
If you save scum, you save scum
No need to cope about it and no one is going to be impressed that you beat a game with brute force

>>715962362 (OP)
this is why you shouldn't care about what zoomers have got to say about vidya

>>715964084
have you considered that this is the problem?
the game relies on blindsiding you to force a death and eat some more of your time.
no good game does that.

>>715965195
Retarded grey man poster

Do zoomers even know what the fuck save state is?

>>715969259
good game forces you to git gud. it's simple as. if you don't like that then don't even touch any of these games because you're clearly unfit for them lmao. modern goyslop is perfect for you.

>>715964084
If "pretty much all of the content" is just the same few levels repeated ad nauseum, then I'd gladly skip it. I have no interest in rote memorization and don't consider it a good mechanic. And the fact of the matter is, that if the game is fun enough I'll keep playing regardless and I'll probably use far less save states on a second playthrough now that I'm better at the game. There's really no point in frustrating players by forcing them to replay the same section repeatedly. It's not going to make the game more fun or memorable, but it is going to make it less likely that the average player reaches the end. If you want that type of difficulty, keep it as optional challenges or in the form of alternative play modes

>>715969714
gitting gud = actual skill and being able to react to new scenarios with little struggle
gitting gud=/= "ok waste 500 deaths so that you can learn how get through this one room so that you can die 500 more times in the next"

>>715967309
>it's not like i'm using rewind
But that's exactly what you are doing. You are rewinding to a previously saved state.

>>715970013
>save states and rewind are the same
one helps you come back to a game right where you left off and the other is just cheating.

I really don't care. most old games I emulate are not skill based anyway so I'll happily use save states to my advantage to get through my backlog faster

>>715970472
I don't get why the LGBT treat gaming like a checklist

>>715970696
>randomly brings up trannies
obsessed

>>715962362 (OP)
Who cares whether the game is beaten or not in the first place?
>>715962721
Games are entertainment, there is no right or wrong way to play.

>>715970774
Don't do gay shit in public if you don't want to be called gay

>>715970940
save states arent gay though

>>715970980
Having a checklist of games to beat and not play is

>>715971054
is not

>>715969765
>There's really no point in frustrating players by forcing them to replay the same section repeatedl
so you're just afraid of challenge, I get it.
>715969924
if you can get through a new scenario with little struggle then the game is just easy. a challenging doesn't allow you to progress if you just use the same technique over and over again.

>>715964694
>The real zoomer cutoff is in 2002
You are a zoomer and mad about it.

>>715962362 (OP)
Old games had level passwords so you could pick up where you left off. Same shit considering most levels in games were just a few minutes long

>>715969765
>There's really no point in frustrating players by forcing them to replay the same section repeatedl
so you're just afraid of challenge, I get it.
>>715969924
if you can get through a new scenario with little struggle then the game is just easy. a challenging game doesn't allow you to progress if you just use the same technique over and over again

>>715964694
In a few years you will be saying its 2004

>>715962362 (OP)
>no! you have to be sweaty tryhard in old singleplayer vidyas like me!
Nobody cares, faggot.

Did Gen X get mad when Millennials used regular save files when they became a thing?

>>715971271
Nah it's right.
People born in the later 90s still have more in common with gen Y.

>>715971301
only some of them and those that did had much longer levels so it was like several levels in one.

>>715962362 (OP)
it depends (wavelength minigame in Breath of Fire 3)
probably my only "it depends", everything else, even the worst dogshit RNG minigames, can be excused, but not the wavelength matching minigame in Breath of Fire 3, you beat the game if you cheated to get past that, I did it legitimately one single time and it was not worth it, it took dozens of hours of grinding for money to buy hundreds of the necessary material that is consumed each time you attempt it, sometimes the game delays your input and sometimes it doesn't, and you 1 frame to click the right spot before you have to try again, and the rampup in between is annoying on top of how hard it is to hit and how many times you have to run back to town 20 minutes away through monsters and shit to buy more of the material.

>>715971494
Early zoomers are alright, but you cannot change the definition. If you say core zoomers and alte zoomers are cringe, hardly anyone would disagree. But I cannot change the years of the definition. We are what we are. Even some of Gen Alpha will turn out alright and not total braindead consoomers.

>>715971271
>tfw born 100 years too late
Wish I was apart of the Lost Generation.

>>715971456
Probably.
>reeeee back in my day we didn't have no fancy save files we had to put in another quarter to try again
Though that might have been more Boomers than Xers so maybe it's more
>reeeee we only had limited save files or had to enter passwords none of this fancy 100 save slots whenever you want

>>715968403
The real zoomer cutoff is where the cultural cutoff was, yes, 2000s experienced the same cultural phenomenons and fads as the millenials before them (Pokemonia, YGO, PS1/PS2).

>>715971271
In 1995 as a 10 year old I was still gen X, and every saturday morning cartoon channel told me so. I am going by the 1995 chart, every year the graph slides back and I don't care, in 20 years a millennial by current graphs will be 1970+.

>>715971271
>says the guy posting an incorrect chart

Oof.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory

Read this. One of them even coined the goddamn term Millennial.

>inb4 it's just a theory but then also post images that promote the theory

>>715971362
>a game is only hard if you're required to memorize where 21908 off screen projectiles come from!
>huh? building up skill over the course of the game? nah that means a game is easy
kill yourself.

>>715971839
kek pretty much. It's so funny watching millennials and zoomers become boomers over time.

>>715962362 (OP)
If you are using it for purely time based reasons, like saving before a boss to avoid a long run back, thats fine.

But save scumming during a boss to cheese it, or even mid phase is cheating

>>715971620
A definition that just cuts years in even 20 years decades is worthless. Generation based on their culture makes more sense and indeed it's how is used eg. zoomers in the imaginary being considered as the people who grew up on Fortnite.

>>715971620
s/alte/late

>>715971620
It's funny how you can tell exactly how much you're going to enjoy interacting with a zoomer just by asking them what they used to talk to their friends while playing online before Discord was a thing.

>>715971620
If the definition doesn't represent actual reality, then it's not an useful one. All the shit people blame zoomers for never really applies for the "early" ones, from the media they grew up with and all the way to not using retarded ebonics slang.
Find me one 28 yo who is into typical zoomer shit, I dare you.

>>715971954
you're not building a skill if you're just playing the game passively and never get filtered. jeez, how come people be so delusional? it's actually unreal.

>>715972153
thats not what i said, try again.

>>715972083
Generations are simply based around that because it largely takes 20 years to breed, pop out and raise a kid before it is self sufficient. I think you don't understand the concept of generations at all.

Why are millennials such a cringe generation?

>>715971854
>(As of 2023): Neil Howe defines the millennial generation (hero archetype) as those born from 1982 to 2005.
Millennialbros, we are the protagonists of generations.

>>715971954
Savestates don't take any skills, it's like saying you are skilled because you "beat" Messi by being allowed to kick the ball 8 gazillion times and scoring more than him.

>>715972131
>you're going to enjoy interacting with a zoomer just by asking them what they used to talk to their friends while playing online before Discord was a thing
Most of my friends ruined their lives with Discord. Now they are perma offline, invisible or busy because they made the mistake to add too many friends that don't accept boundaries and start pinging you bored the moment you go online.

>>715972187
Wait till you find out at what age people used to make children compared to now.

>>715971827
>reeeee back in my day we didn't have no fancy save files we had to put in another quarter to try again
There were people who would've hitched if you had to put in more quarters to continue that you didn't "really" beat the game then too. Legend of Zelda 1 and 2 had save states back in 1986, Castlevania II and a few others has progress passwords back in the NES days.

Anyone who claims "you didn't beat the game by using whatever tools the devs give you to play the game" have always been contrarian retards.

>>715972181
explain what skill is then. you clearly have no grasp of the concept.

>>715972318
Dodged that bullet so hard. After cycling through 3 accounts and eventually turning all of them to invisible, but better later than never.

>>715972137
>from the media they grew up with and all the way to not using retarded ebonics slang
Not a thing in my deeply Christian EU country so I cannot relate. Zoomer here were not exposed as much to that stuff despite broadband access on mobile phones. Family and country still are big influences on upbringing.

>>715972365
...
That's not what a savestate is, sis.

>>715966009
I don't care, but you still shouldn't be a fucking dishonest faggot and claim that you beat a game when all you did was bruteforce it with save state spam
Just enjoy the game and move on instead of coping about your hollow victory

>>715972504
I beat both the games, they're fucking saves dude. Retries, saves, saves states, progress passwords whatever they've always been a function in gaming for the last 40 years. You're not an old head if you're arguing that saving progress means you didn't beat the game, you're a faggot ass contrarian retard who never played all those old games you're going on about

>>715972365
>you didn't beat the game by using whatever tools the devs give you to play the game
Save states are not given by the devs so yeh?
Also speaking of arcade, at least in japan 1cc culture became a thing, they outright rejected games that were not beatable in one credit in the 90s or so.

>>715972271
>it's like saying you are skilled because you "beat" Messi by being allowed to kick the ball 8 gazillion times and scoring more than him
There's a difference between savescumming and just saving your progress because not everyone is a NEET loser like you who spends entire days trying to ironman every single game he plays

>>715972648
>savestate
>A file that contains an emulator's or virtualizer's state at the moment it was saved to disk.

>>715971271
>96
i made it, also save states are for saving just before the boss room or after a long journey of nothing special, if its a platformer dont use it at all.
anything more is cheating.

>>715971362
>so you're just afraid of challenge, I get it.
I get it, you only play games on hardcore and you think you're better than everyone else as a result. Good for you

>>715972751
Yup. The difference is the latter guy likes video games and the former likes telling trooncord that he "beats" games.

>>715972763
>>715972504
just say RAM or memory dump, it sounds less cringe
>save state
lmao, look at the fucking state of console gamers struggling with technical terms

>>715962362 (OP)
If I say I've beaten a game, even without having ever played it, then I have beaten the game.

>>715962362 (OP)
Yeah bro save states are so lame and gay. I can't believe how retarded consolekiddies are. Now let me go play some early 00s PC kino
>F8
>F5
Now that's some proper gaming.

>>715972271
>>715972417
pattern memorization isnt skill,
>yeah bro im so good at this game, im able to dodge ALL the projectiles!
>huh this romhack that adds new levels? no i'd get hit by all of them, i've only mastered the levels in the actual game
being able to dynamically react to what the game throws at you by using prior knowledge IS skill,
>yeah bro im so good at this game, im able to dodge ALL the projectiles!
>huh this romhack that adds new levels? yeah i can do that, i've mastered the game's mechanics and know how to react to something new.
the same distinction exists in fighting games, many top players can be blindsided by you simply doing something unexpected. because they're so used to patterns that they forgot how to react to something new.

>>715972663
>Save states are not given by the devs so yeh
They, in fact, are built into many of the games you play.
>1cc culture
Is niche autism or an achievement for hardcore arcade bros that most people didn't engage in. It's fun to do that's about it, you're basically just making the game harder for yourself as a challenge.

>Heh you didn't really beat Ocarina of Time , I beat it dead and blindfolded which is the true way to play the game
No, you're gimping yourself like a loser. If anything I have more respect for the people who exploit the game to beat it faster than hardcore cock and ball torture masochists trying to make the game more difficult

>>715972912
>memory dump
That's exactly what a savestate is big boy.

>>715962558
>>715962608
>>715962721
>>715963107
>not my heckin ubislop, you can't savescum on my favorite medieval nigger simulator
>*pushes up glasses*
>videogames are a serious art form
>noooo you can't exploit bugs
>noooo you can't use save states to save precious time in your one human life
>noooo you can't play the game a way that i don't approve of
>noo y.... hey, where did everyone go?

>>715962947
>>At worst it's an arcade game designed to make you lose and pay more (even modern live service games are better)
Arcade had a game design vastly superior to every slop releasing nowadays, zoomers are turbo retarded

>>715962362 (OP)
Try playing the final mission of Armored Core 1 without save states then get back to me nigger
Hard mode: no broken karasawa that you definitely looked up on how to get

>>715972763
Oh sorry I forget I'm taking to autists , "a save file" there are you happy? Do you have some cans to stack in the corner to calm you down?

>>715962362 (OP)
Sorry, cant hear you over my Dodrio gameboy.

>>715973009
thanks for the chatgpt summary of what my post said, saaaar

>>715972992
>being able to dynamically react to what the game throws at you by using prior knowledge IS skill,
Yeah, that's why savestatefags are unskilled, they can't dynamically react at bullets so he repeats over and over with savestates memorizing where bullets are in their short memory lol

>>715972995
>They, in fact, are built into many of the games you play.
Retroactively at best.
>that most people didn't engage in
In the west because most players were (and still are) casual trash.
>No, you're gimping yourself like a loser.
Then cheating devices are alright I guess.
>b-but
They are external tools exactly like savestates except better. Where do we draw the line?

if you emulate a game today you are putting yourself at an inherent disadvantage anyways if you're playing blind and not looking things up like a faggot, becuase you won't have access to indepth manuals and other information found in the box nor access to talking to other people about secrets and coming to a conclusion about it

mike matei lost

>>715973160
What's the matter big boy, too afraid to say nigger? Janny did you a boo boo?

>>715962558
What do you mean, these fuckers are enslaved to games that demand their daily servitude.

ok here's an actual controversial point of discussion: Speed up in old Pokemon games or old jrpgs in general, is that cheating or not

>>715972970
I don't respect this either. I legitimately want lives and scoring in more fps games. I think i've seen a few CRPGs adopting a respawn from your last rest spot
>Just don't save scum
I can, but devs should stop being lazy too

>>715973206
Download the manuals then

>>715973098
Yeah, I'm glad I taught you something, next time don't come to threads about savestates to talk about save files, you're welcome.

>>715966009
>go to video game enthusiast board
>pretend to act confused that its populace is more passionate about playing games than your average joe

>>715972992
>pattern memorization isnt skill,
it is. if you get really good at one bullet hell game then you're gonna be a lot better at others. the more you play the better you'll get. the skill ceiling is infinite.

anyways you're a mouth breather. not getting a single (you) from me anymore.

>>715973206
>>715973286
I'm fairly positive even Sony and Nintendo services even have the manuals with their emulators. At least a gen or two ago

>>715973196
>Retroactively at best.
The first two Zelda game made in the 80's allowed you to save progress lmao. Is Metroid II not retro enough now?
>In the west because more players are casual trash
He says writing in English on an American website who just assumes everyone in Asia is a hardcore gamer. You know there's a lot of people in Japan and South Korea specifically who look down on grown men playing video games right?

>Then cheating devices are alright then
Saving progress isn't cheating no matter how much that rustles your internal autism

>>715962362 (OP)
I'm a millennial, and I'd also say "yes" in a lot of cases. The question isn't specific enough on how save states are used. Obviously, not everyone is using save states for save scumming. And it doesn't even matter in most games. I'd say these are all fine and would count as beating the game:
- Using them just as a fancy "pause"/"sleep" button. ("I'll save here so I can come back to play the game in a few days")
- Using them for saving time ("I'm saving here, then I'll explore this area and see if there's anything interesting. If there isn't, I'll just use the save state as an instant teleport back.")
- Using them to "try things out" ("I wonder what would happen if I do thing A instead of thing B", or "I wonder if this is possible", or "I want to play multiple parallel routes without replaying the same content.")
- Using them for OCD purposes ("The game keeps track of how many times I've died or lost. But this is just a counter and doesn't serve any in-game purpose. I can't handle having an imperfect save, so I'll just use save states.")
- Using them for save scumming in games where it's actually irrelevant ("After losing all lives in Spyro, I'm just given 4 lives back and the level resets. The game literally gives me infinite lives. It's just a matter of am I willing to waste time farming 99 lives before I retry the level, OR if I'll just use a save state which brings me back to the 99 farmed lives.")

The reality is that very few games have permanent failure consequences, so even "save scumming" is perfectly acceptable. And many older games have a garbage save system, so using your emulator for save states is just necessary if you value your time and sanity.
Only autistic retards complain about save states. Might as well complain about difficulty sliders and how "you didn't beat the game if you didn't choose the hardest difficulty".

>inb4 one or none of the above examples count as beating the game
Don't care, I beat the game :)

>>715973206
No you can look up the manuals still

>>715973261
No. Why wouldn't it be?
>inb4 it makes grinding faster
Your choice to grind is the issue, not how fast you can do it.

>>715973462
The thread about savestates not about saving progress.
>American website
Website started by a jew and owned by a Jap living in France.

>>715973462
No one is arguing about the save function as a whole, sperg. Also
>He says writing in English on an American website
Doesn't make it any less true.

>>715973185
except for the fact that the vast majority of retro games dont have any kind of randomization and are 100% predictable.
they become such a slog of half-a-second-to-react bullshit that you HAVE to memorize the game from top to bottom (not skill) to be able to beat them, there is no "dynamically reacting" to the game.
should also note that these games were designed to waste weeks of your time and/or chew up quarters like a fatass.
>>715973351
pattern memorization is A skill, but its not "skill" in the sense of being able to react to a game.
sure, it means you can learn other bullet hells quicker. but it doesnt mean that you'll be able to react to what a new game throws at you.

>>715962362 (OP)
Mike Matei in shambles

>>715973261
Grey area. You're likely going to get more exp and gold then you would normally have if done regularly. I'd advise against only because this just spoils you and makes you more impatient

>>715973316
Either way, if it's not used for savescumming it's not much of an issue. People don't have an infinite amount of time. How many people have actually beaten Contra without using the Konami Code?

>>715962362 (OP)
I'll save-state to avoid the walk of shame back to a boss room by saving outside of the boss room. Is the game beaten if I do it?
Yes. Obviously I can get to the boss room 3-4 times if I have already done it once. No reason to waste my day.

>>715962608
dont ever use game saves then, you're cheating faggot

>>715973565
>Website started by a jew
An American Jew, and truly is there anything more american than Judaism at this point?

>>715973701
>Contra without using the Konami Code?
Contra 1 isn't even that hard. Nor Super C. You fags are overblowning NES hard

>>715973684
counterpoint, trying to play old pokemon properly and raise your whole team instead of leaving four mons behind really fucking sucks.

>>715973561
The point of grinding back then was you trading your time for an easier time at the next major boss. You weren't supposed to grind for 10 hours to get your Pokemon on par with Red in Gen 2. You either dealt with a harder fight or invested time to make it easier. Speeding up removes that trade and lets you fight an easy boss without that timesink. It only makes sense for nuzlockes where the risk is too great to warrant that time investment

A save point is also a "save state". Every modern game has "quick saves" that hold a checkpoint every time you enter a room. This poll is as gay and retarded as the OP posting it.

>state of zoomers
>have literally been using save states since the late 90s on emulators
>along with 10x turbo to speed through boring parts of a game

Fucking retarded faggot.

>>715973663
>sure, it means you can learn other bullet hells quicker. but it doesnt mean that you'll be able to react to what a new game throws at you.
You learn the new game quickier because you know how to react to certain basic patterns already. That's definitive proof you are getting better at a skill.
That's as dumb as saying that if you master something like a FF game then you should be able to instantly beat any other turn-based RPG despite the fact they will have both some mechanical differences, different enemies, different party members and so on.

>>715973663
>should also note that these games were designed to waste weeks of your time and/or chew up quarters like a fatass.
Reddit talking point to cope with lack of skills, Frogger and Puzzle Bobble are not harder than SMB and Ninja Gaiden.
>you HAVE to memorize the game from top to bottom (not skill) to be able to beat them,
Sounds like you don't like the game and you are still playing it for internet clout.

>>715973917
I always rotated them every five levels. Never thought it was too bad, especially when by mid game

>>715973921
Again, blame the player for choosing to remove challenge by overlevelling, not the emulator for making it faster.

>>715971271
That chart is wrong about every other generation besides zoomers

>>715962558
Zoomies try to play forever games. They want their time taken away from them.

>>715973768
Just because you can potentially beat it doesn't mean you beat it.

>>715973858
>Contra 1 isn't even that hard. Nor Super C.
Anon, you live in a niche bubble of tryhard autists. I've beaten Super C and Contra , yes they are hard games to 95% of the world who plays video games. Most people struggle to beat fuckin Dark Souls dude. Most people think Hotline Miami is a hard game, and yeah they are actually right for most people that game is hard.

How much time have you actually devoted to video games in your life , anon? Let's take a guess - more than the majority of people , by a lot

>>715973261
It's literally not cheating. It doesn't provide you with any advantage in-game. You're still executing identical inputs and getting identical outputs.
And, once you move out of turn based genres it's often a disadvantage to apply a global "speed hack" because all game logic would be faster and you'd need to have faster react times.

So, by definition it's an accessibility improvement ONLY and NOT cheating.

>>715973214
>>715973680
Mike lost his faith in humanity a long time ago, this wouldn't even shake him.

>>715970889
>Games are entertainment, there is no right or wrong way to play.
Games are dictated by rules. There is a wrong way to play them by not adhering to those rules. It's like if you can just bean every batter without any penalty because it'll give you an advantage in winning. Baseball isn't about disabling the whole team with 100+ mph fast balls.

>>715974172
How many normal people are playing emulators or 30 year old games?

>>715974257
>It's literally not cheating. It doesn't provide you with any advantage in-game. You're still executing identical inputs and getting identical outputs.
What if you were playing a rhythm game, and you used something to slow it down 10x. Is that not cheating? You're still doing the same inputs.

>>715971696
Dying in the trenches sounds great. Get that gas mask over your head quickly now.

>>715971836
Gen Y originally started in 1975, then in the last 20 years they slowly started sliding it up to 1982. Going back the to truth would be a good thing.

>>715962362 (OP)
>basedlennials unironically call themselves gamers
The cucked fall ever deeper.

>>715970889
>Games are entertainment, there is no right or wrong way to play.
You say that, but try telling a movie buff or book nerd that you watched/read a series by skipping to the last chapter. 100% of them will agree you are a fucking faggot, and at least 99% will say you should do it properly.

>>715962362 (OP)
Cheating in a game to have fun is better than powering through your backlog because you want the clout of beating X amount of games or an acclaimed or difficult XYZ game.
People who play for fun, but also cheaters, usually don't care about clout. This question would rarely come up.
Save states are a bit different, you still have to beat the game legitimately, you're just removing the tedium of repeating segments you've already beaten.

>>715974060
Show me a real chart then. Not true Scotsman fallacy
guess you are upset you are not the hecking generation you wanted to be

>>715974058
>blame the player for wanting to win, not the emulator for injecting the "beat the game in 1 ms" gameshark

>>715973917
This is why you play romhacks instead of vanilla games. I like the modern difficulty romhacks that remove ALL grinding, IVs and EVs from the game so it's basically just catching Pokemon and formulating a strategy against a difficult opponent.

>>715973921
Old Pokemon games don't need grinding but you do end up like 20 levels below the Elite Four if you actually use a full team of 6
The game is still perfectly doable like if you picked up some decent pokemon to use that but the level curve seemed to assume you'd spend a ton of time running around killing and catching random shit, or just plow through it with a lv80 Blastoise or whatever the fuck

Never seen an actually good RPG that required level grinding. Arc Rise Fantasia the first real boss OHKOs your whole party halfway through the fight if you don't get like ~3-4 extra levels above where you would normally end up after running through the first combat areas. Past that the game is about as easy as you'd expect but not particularly a good game.

>>715973958
>You learn the new game quickier because you know how to react to certain basic patterns already. That's definitive proof you are getting better at a skill.
which is ACTUAL skill, but then you try your 1cc and have the paths of "im going to learn how to react to this" and "im going to memorize everything the game throws at me and when and how and then memorized how i should move"
the former improves your general bullet hell skill, the latter does not because you're memorizing the game and not learning it. they are distinctly different things.
>That's as dumb as saying that if you master something like a FF game then you should be able to instantly beat any other turn-based RPG despite the fact they will have both some mechanical differences, different enemies, different party members and so on.
skill doesnt apply to turn based games in the same way it applies to real time games, its a matter of strategy and knowing whats in play, which if you're not retarded is piss easy to do. you'd have a better point comparing half life and ultrakill (which yeah no fucking shit, the only thing that carries over is aim despite them both being FPS games)

>>715973512
Save states are for saving progress and creating checkpoints to make old janky games playable. Almost all the reasons you listed are autism nobody cares about. Fuck does it matter if you've died 3 or 30 times if the game doesn't have a secret ending or some shit.

>>715962362 (OP)
Can we agree that you finished the game, but didn’t beat it?

It makes a lot of sense why story heavy rpgs are popular here

>retro game has no mission score
this is just a waste of time, time to load my save
>retro game has mission score
I'm not using a save state, I'll retry until I get a shiny S rank 30 billion points
>modern game forces me to walk around doing nothing before/after a long combat sequence
This is just a waste of time, I'm refunding this garbage.

>>715963265
>Who cares about “beating” a game
If you're spending your time on a hobby board about games, I hope you would.

>>715974257
The time you spend waiting are an integral part of the game. If a mechanic takes too much realtime to execute, by making it faster you are making it viable.
For example I could put the emu at 100000x and grind all of my party to lvl. 100 in 3 minutes where this wouldn't possibly have been a sane strategy in any game.

>>715974460
>going to war for 3 years
vs
>living with niggers for a lifetime

>>715974815
Vanilla Pokemon games are balanced for your party being underleveled. Enemy teams have no items, no EVs, random IVs, random natures, usually a bad nature and a bad moveset AND the AI is gimped. NPC having higher level mons balances things out.
Where you want a level playing field is Pokemon games where the enemy teams actually have access to all the tools the player has so basically none of them which is a shame.
Carefully crafting a minmaxed Pokemon team against minmaxed NPCs in ROM hacks people make is some of the most fun I've had in JRPGs. They also fix the trainer AI and some even have custom AI for certain battles.

>>715974642
First result on an image search.
I still don't agree with this one, but at least it gets the start year of Gen Y closer to what I think it is, and as an added bonus, has a source.

>>715974947
>jank
He said the meme.

>>715962362 (OP)
I beat the game
I enjoyed it
I used save states
seethe, fag ;)

>Spend your life memorizing one book
>Spend your life reading many
>/v/ will claim one way is more retarded than the other

>>715974631
>you're just removing the tedium of repeating segments you've already beaten
but that's not tedium, that's skill check. getting through a tough section once with save states is piss easy hence you didn't actually beat it.

>>715975065
The problem is people gaming the system and rushing games or watching playthroughs just so they can say they've beaten 200 games etc.
In principle you are correct, a vidya aficionado is expected to have played and finished many games. The average gamer plays maybe 8 games per generation and finishes maybe 3.

>>715974417
Honestly? These days it's not that uncommon I know a lot of otherwise pretty normalfag dudes with some minor IT knowledge who play emulators. They're pretty popular

>>715974898
>which is ACTUAL skill
I'm agreeing with this.
>but then you try your 1cc and have the paths of "im going to learn how to react to this" and "im going to memorize everything the game throws at me and when and how and then memorized how i should move"
They are closely related if you ask me, the thing with shmups is that they have high execution requirements and you have to keep it up for the entire run, so you manage to deal with a difficult section on your first attempt then you can still fuck up the run in an easier one that took you by surprise.

>>715975423
>blocks have arbitrary sizes
>source is a some shit seo spam site

>Leadership, Generations, and Customer Service ~ Appreciative Strategies
lmao kys

>>715975434
jank isn't the same as clunky you memespouting redditor

>>715975483
>This chapter or paragraph is too long. I'm going to skip it. I got other books to read. I'll just read the chapter summary later

>>715973512
I always do the first 3 you listed, sometimes I refuse to do the 3rd one if I respect the game enough

>>715962608
Unless the game is permadeath, you are saving time on the runback, and that is the only change.

>>715975434
I have around 300 retro (PS2 and older) games beaten on my backloggd and yes the majority of old games are jank shit. Doesn't mean they're bad. Most SNES games aren't Chrono Trigger or Super Metroid and majority are borderline unplayable by modern standards. People who deny this fact are usually posers who have only played the top 5 most popular games from retro systems and nothing else.

>>715974449
The question was specifically speeding up the game.
Slowing the game down would be considered cheating, sure. At least in the cases where your input timing is relevant.

However, I'd maybe classify it in a "gray" category since you can cheat this way unintentionally if your system is struggling to keep up with the game logic, especially in cases where the game loop is directly tied to the frame rate (as it is in many old games). Not everyone would even notice this and I wouldn't count unintentionally cheating or exploiting a game as cheating.
Ultimately, it's the intent that matters.

>>715975112
>For example I could put the emu at 100000x and grind all of my party to lvl. 100 in 3 minutes where this wouldn't possibly have been a sane strategy in any game.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
>The time you spend waiting are an integral part of the game.
Name literally 1 example where this is the case. We're not talking about speeding up your character only (you're not giving your pokemon the ability to attack 100000x before the opponent makes a single attack). If there is an actual, valid example of this then sure, in that case it's cheating. But I can't honestly think of any.
And no, exp farming is not a good example.

>>715975821
What constitutes as unplayable?

>>715975696
Except save states don't skip gameplay. Your analogy doesn't work.

>>715975881
Not having checkpoints every two seconds.
Not being third person over the shoulder movies.
Not having a checklist of chores to do.

>>715962362 (OP)
I'm 40, and I wished we could have saved games where we wanted, when we wanted. All the megaman games I could have beaten faster. I might have even beaten the Jungle Book game, instead of it remaining forever unbeaten. There's nothing wrong with saving a game where you like. I actually hate games with auto save points, I'm never happy with the whens and hows.

>>715975887
Save states would be the equivalent of reading Shakespear or something in old English you couldn't understand and didnt' want to understand but continue reading and glazing over any content that was too difficult to comprehend

>>715975538
I rarely use save states because I enjoy repeating stages to master them but I'd consider a person who frequently used save states to have beaten the game as legitimately as I have. They beat the game, they just has an extra checkpoint. Games didn't have checkpoints in the past due to technical reasons not deliberate design choices.

>>715976073
So you're saying memorizing one book is better than reading hundreds.

>>715975887
You're skipping your failures and the build up in returning to that spot with more life, lives, continues, and possibly a more optimal set up. It furthers your prowess over the game.

>>715964731
Why do you think its fun to repeat the same actions over and over again? Or to rewatch the same cutscenes over and over again?

>>715976104
>Games didn't have checkpoints in the past due to technical reasons not deliberate design choices.
Proof? People say this about why RPGs are turn based when there are mid 80's action RPGs.

>>715976073
Except you have to read the book. You are just using a bookmark instead of saying
>you can only stop reading at the chapter breaks anything else is cheating at reading the book using a bookmark is cheating

>>715976109
Reading one is book is better than flipping the pages of hundreds. Why bother picking up the book at that point if you aren't reading it

>>715973512
Think the first megaman didn't have any kind of save system so you have to beat the whole thing in one sitting

>>715976121
>>715976109

>>715976159
Yeah, if the game is fun I'm going to do it. Other times I get frustrated that I game over and get sent to the title screen and play the game the next day. I go and play another game or do something else.

>>715962362 (OP)
If you save scum in shit like mega man you absolutely did not beat the game

>>715962362 (OP)
Every day zoom zooms continue to show how pathetic they really are

>>715976213
Good thing old games already have passwords (some battery saves.) Not like I need bookmark for a pamphlet either. Going to at least finish the sentence before putting it down

>>715976308
It's not going to take you that long to beat a game, and you won't be a 100 games save scumming in the time to beat 1 legit.

>>715962362 (OP)
Lol dumb horseshit. 40 year old boomers wasting their lives playing NES garbage games with password systems. Top kek

>>715976372
why are you watching a nigger badly play metroid

>>715975481
>I beat the game
You literally didn't, sweetie :)

>>715962362 (OP)
You skipped the fun

>>715975881
Have you played the PS1 and PS2 Armored Cores? Before Nexus they didn't have analog camera movement and you had to rely on the shitty auto camera to (not) work. Great games but the dual analog patch makes them ten times better by removing the jank.

>>715975585
>They are closely related if you ask me
they really arent, they have a similar immediate result but different long term result
with memorization you have to redo the "learning" process every single game, while with skill the learning process only needs to happen once for a specific thing.

>>715962362 (OP)
Finishing games faster lets you play more games. Only someone who doesn't value their time would force retarded standards on their gaming.
Save states, fast forward and rewind have revolutionized gaming.

>>715976531
>Have you played the PS1 and PS2 Armored Cores
Yes, Fromshit has always been like that. Not my fault you like to subject yourself to it when there's plenty of other games to play.

>>715976513
>see kid building sand castle on the beach
>go over and destroy it
>tell him the fun will be in rebuilding what i destroyed

yes i am a /v/ poster against save states how could you tell?

>>715976568
>I want to play games faster so I can play games faster

>>715976109
that's 100% true if it's a science book.

>>715976394
>these old games are like shakespeare
>actually theyre more like a pamphlet eith no value
These games dont sound very good if you think they as much depth or are as fun to read as a pamphlet.

>>715976372
that is a nigger, anon.
thats a problem inherent to niggers, not zoomers.

>>715976513
>the fun of looking game unskippable cutscenes and game over screens.

>>715976121
You could say using save states is just getting incredibly lucky every time in every game. It's a stretch to consider getting lucky cheating. It might by cheating by competition or speedrun standards but for casual playthroughs who gives a shit. I can still meaningfully talk about the game with someone who used save states as opposed to a cheater.

>>715976531
>Before Nexus they didn't have analog camera movement and you had to rely on the shitty auto camera to (not) work.
What auto camera? You're in complete control the entire time, you're just too low IQ to understand the control method.

>>715976626
>reading comprehension is difficult

>>715976568
>more games
mastery is better than quantity, bitch

>>715976568
>I must GET THROUGH
>I don't really like this game, I'll just play it however long I need to with save states to brute force it
>Now I can check off on my list of games I must play before I die
Your hobby is crossing things off of a list, not video games.

>>715976678
Yeah, i won't argue against that or skipping gigantic loadings.

>>715975864
>There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
It's 100% cheating, nobody gets their bulbasaur to lvl. 100 the moment they leave Pallet Town.

>>715976640
There can be a lot of information on a pamphlet but it's quick read. These old games aren't long so why would I try to rush through the content?

If you're frustrated by a game to the point where you think the game is not worth your time, just watch a walkthrough video at that point. Less effort than resorting to save states.

>>715976763
>NOOOOOOO YOU DIDNT 1CC IT LIKE I DID YOU'RE NOT A REAL GAMER!!!!!!!

>>715976760
Mastery of a useless skill means nothing.

>>715976849
the GAME is worth my time, not the quater munching bullshit on stage 2 and 5.

>>715976694
The person that brute forces with save states is a cheater. There is no pressure to perform in unknown areas, or when your lives run low and you have to figure out a boss pattern, how best to avoid it, and how to damage it. There's no stakes, tasks can immediately be redone, you can brute force solutions.

A save stater did not play the same game.

>>715976372
/v/ zoomers will look at this and say: yep, this is skill on rizzle

>>715962362 (OP)
i consider a game beaten when i get to see the credits roll

to what degree the completion is doesnt matter to me since thats a personal opinion

>my video game accomplishments are real life accomplishments

People who tie their self validation to a game will never not be pathetic.

>>715976873
Glad you acknowledge you aren't a real gamer, but the equivalent of those people that download a bunch of gacha games.

>>715976601
For example? AC games aren't even horribly jank by that era. Do you NOT remember DMC1 shitty camera? Mega Man Legends? Super slow overworld movement in most PS1 JRPGs?

If save state users don't care about validation, why do they rush through as many games as possible?

>>715977009
this is why people who scream that save staters are cheaters are legit mentally ill. No one in the real world would give a shit.

>>715976619
>/v/ sees a man use a bucket to make an instant sandcastle
>kid: look I made this!
>/v/: no you didn't make it, you used an instant bucked
>kid: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The kid in question? Arnold Einstime

>>715977135
they play for the experience. for their OWN experience. This is why you play games. Playing games for validation makes you feminine.

>>715977135
Why do they defend save stating as beating the game so ardently? It's just a game, it doesn't matter according to them.

>>715977241
>they play for the experience. for their OWN experience
Then why are they rushing it?

>>715977213
Once again, save states do not play the game for you.

>>715977058
its ok anon, your fragile gamersculinity wont be shattered if you use save states.

>>715976407
Yeah, this console is dogshit. I beat Castlevania 3 US edition with save states.
>>715976372
Yep, that looks like gaming. Shes hot. I would rape her

>>715964731
What if I have fun with save states, what then?

>>715976876
weak ass pussy mentality. you can master things for your own pleasure without giving a shit about social validation or money.

>>715977304
because they value their own time. Are you legit retarded or just faking it?

>>715977241
Games are something to be beaten, it's competition. You're talking about experiences like live, laugh, love, and saying other things are feminine?

>>715977323
They take away any skill out of the game, so they might as well do.

>>715976697
Like I said, you are just a poser who didn't play these games. You are chasing clout on a basket weaving forum by fellating retro games you've never touched.
The fucking developers are on record saying it's jank shit and a product of its times they're glad they fixed in newer entries and that they could never make a faster paced game like Nexus before changing that.
The vanilla control scheme is so retarded only someone with brain damage like (You) could ever pretend is fine.

>>715962558
YOU! ARE! NOT! PLAYING! THE! GAME! THE! RIGHT! WAY!!!

>>715975881
Not having a "save on exit" or "autosave". The lack of these two features makes it mandatory to use save states.
>inb4 boomers played these games just fine
Just because a couple of generations of gamers have suffered due to technical limitations of games and consoles, doesn't mean that everyone else should.

>>715976276
>the first megaman was a shit game
OK

>>715976804
>nobody gets their bulbasaur to lvl. 100 the moment they leave Pallet Town.
And you wouldn't do it even with fast forward / speed hacks. It requires an unfeasible number of keystrokes, not just an unfeasible amount of time. So, even if you did farm it to a level 100, you've still done it fairly. No matter if you've used a speed hack.
You're literally talking about a game where the time factor is irrelevant. It would be completely different if there was a speedrun competition of some sort, where the time factor is artificially added by an external source (so, you're manually adding an agreed upon rule to the game which doesn't exist within the game itself). Only and exclusively in that case would it actually be cheating.

>>715977351
Imagine acting macho over video games. You are so pathetic lmao.

>>715977390
They value their time because they don't like the games. The game portion is the pesky time sink.

>>715977390
You value your time by playing one game to switch to another. Nice time management

>>715977347
People who use save states all the way through have more fun than those who use them only when they think the game is bullshit.

>>715977460
>Not having a "save on exit" or "autosave". The lack of these two features makes it mandatory to use save states.
That's not unplayable. A lot of those games were about 30 minutes long. You have 30 minutes, right?

>>715977435
>The vanilla control scheme is so retarded only someone with brain damage like (You) could ever pretend is fine.
Rebind the controls if you're too dumb to comprehend them. Not surprising someone chimping out like this is too dumb to find the options menu. Better yet, just stick to modern games, they're made for your kind.

>>715962362 (OP)
play singleplayer games however you want to. as long as you're having fun then that's that. if you're having fun beating a game without them, then that's also great. games are meant to be enjoyed.

>>715963547
You cheated!!! YOU CHEATED!!!!!

>>715962558
They do though. What is Fortnite, Marvel Rivals, etc.

>>715977460
>too retarded to manually save
This is what modern gaming does to you.

>>715977503
>You value your time by playing one game to switch to another. Nice time management

you describe gaming as a whole. You are so deep in the retard sauce you looped around.

>>715977460
>So, even if you did farm it to a level 100, you've still done it fairly. No matter if you've used a speed hack.
With a 100,000x speed hack it's perfectly feasisible
>So, even if you did farm it to a level 100, you've still done it fairly. No matter if you've used a speed hack.
What a load of shit.

>>715977652
So the time isn't valuable then

>>715977627
I know, I also cheated out of my gender to become a real woman, sorry chuddies ^^

>another zoomer hate thread

>>715977587
>play singleplayer games however you want to
ok but just keep in mind that you cheated and didn't actually beat the game unlike the retards on reddit.

>>715976372
It's fair if it's a woman because their brains are deficient

>>715962362 (OP)
These are the faggots who keep asking for easy mode

>>715976372
i have done this with fighting game bosses
and i dont regret it

>>715977741
you have the mental power of a nigger.

>>715962362 (OP)
>do you consider a game to be beaten when you watched a youtube

>>715976804
Nta but there is an exp overflow bug really early on in the game before the first gym
It can also be used to get Mew, one of the few actual in-game ways to do so

>>715976372
Totally skill based

>>715977668
>What a load of shit.
Well, cry more you silly puritan.

>>715977967
Save states don't play the game for you.

If you're bitching about save states you should also be bitching about the option to save your game as well. REAL gamers play everything in a single sitting and start the game over from the start when they die.

>>715977913
Ping ponging from game to game isn't valuing your time. It's okay if you're bad at games

>>715977967
Likely the same group of zoomers

People malding about the use of save states and cheats are simply dimwit techlets who can't figure it out. They are scared of emulators like the luddites they are and lash out in anger. It's the same kind of retard who waits for Nintendo to release a 20 year old game for $80 instead of just emulating it. The retard is simply so filtered by technology he has to repair his ego by pretending to actually enjoy the tedium of shitty games.

>>715978083
I take it back. The mental power of a chair.

>>715978031
Dishonest logic. Developers put save spots where they think the player deserves a break, or at least used to before autosaves every nanosecond became the norm. With save states you're taking that thought process away from the developers and basically breaking the game.

I just use save states because it's faster than manually saving and I can pick it back up where I left off without needing to go back 10-15 minutes

>>715978151
If playing games is tedious to you then you should do something else with your time.

>Try to beat the game legit
>Need to spend hours doing the same shit over and over again so I can do the fresh bits, git gud at them and then do those bits over and over again
>Use fair, level based checkpoint save states
>Save myself time and frustration, enjoy the game but not making it a cakewalk

>>715977765
>beat the game
if you used checkpoints, you didnt beat the game
if you used save points, you didnt beat the game
if you used healing items, you didnt beat the game
if you didnt play on the highest difficulty, you didnt beat the game
if you didnt 100% the game, you didnt beat the game
if you used a guide or got any help or info that helped you, voluntarily or accidentally, you didnt beat the game
if you used aim assist, you didnt beat the game

how many more "cheats" can we introduce?
>b-b-but most of those are features of the game
yes, and save states are now a feature too of ports of old games

>I love video games
>I just use outside tools so I don't have to play the game more than I need to
>I beat the game
>Even though I used outside tools to circumvent lives and continues along with the games specially crafted check point system by using my own
>Games are too casual these days
>Man these games are so anti-player, I lose my progress which should always be saved by going back to the title screen in this half and hour game?! INCONCEIVABLE!

>>715977976
There's probably glitch that lets you teleport yourself inside the champion room in blue, but nobody seriously considers those method not cheating.

>>715978031
it's up to a game dev how he wants to design his game. we're not bitching about this here. we're just telling these fake gamers how it is.

>>715962558
Aren't they the biggest gacha, minecraft, and fortnite players though

>>715978316
Cheat engine, gameshark, action replay too. those are features too

You know people arguing about save states only believe you shouldn't use them in principle. Nobody who actually plays games is against QoL. But again this is /v/, most people here don't play vidya. They just love arguing about the industry and hypotheticals.

i like shitting on zoomers but who is to say that millennials and gen xers who actually played older games also dont' give a shit about save states? It's not on r/genz. I don't even know what reddit this is from anyways.

>>715978318
Modern games don't even use limited continue systems anymore, faggot.

>>715978316
>Erm, actually putting my BD player at 16x is a feature of the player therefore they are a feature of my Godfather BD too now, I watched it even though it was at max speed

>>715978345
Yeah but many game devs are shit and I in fact know better than the developer. This is why mods exist.

>>715964731
>What is even the point of playing the game if you're going to cheat with save states?
People have been conditioned to play with save states. They’re used to it so they expect it and say it’s ok. Same goes for the modern generation of yellow paint retards.

>>715978501
Modern gamer flexing his ability to conquer movieslop games.

>>715978515
Then you beat the mod, not the game.

>>715966601
Yes

>>715978509
yes
it is not the optimal way of watching a movie, but if that is your way of watching a movie, knock yourself out
fyi, david lynch hated everyone who watches movies on mobile phones and tablets, and meanwhile billions of people are watching and enjoying movies and series that way

>>715978428
Savestates are not QoL. Use them if you want, play however you want. Just admit it is cheating, nothing wrong with that.

>>715964731
They even worship someone who played the games for them while they sit in the cuck chair in the corner

>>715962362 (OP)
I only use savestates for games whose devs were too poor to afford save batteries and used passwords instead. This is the right way.

Millenials played Dark Souls 1 and thought the it's the most difficult game ever made. Zoomers just picked up Souls games and decided it's their favourite action game and didn't get the memo they're supposed to be this mythical unbeatable game millenials shat and pissed their pants about.
Face it, the indie platformers that come out today are more difficult than the NES games you grandpas played. You simply have inferior mechanical skills compared to us Zoomer Gods. Boomers were right about millennials, it's a failed generation.

>>715978716
>david lynch hated everyone who watches movies on mobile phones and tablets, and meanwhile billions of people are watching and enjoying movies and series that way
And he was right. Can you really say you've "played" Prop Cycle in an emulator? Let alone with savestates.

>>715978716
*plays every single movie at 10000x speed in the span 10 minutes*
*quickly flips all the pages of all the books in the library*
*starts every single game at once in a separate OS process with gameshark skipping to the ending for me*
Vgh, I'm such an intellectual, can you believe I read all the books, watched all the movies and played all the games...

>Daily Zoomer Derangement Syndrome thread doesn't even mention zoomers anywhere in the poll
Mental illness

>>715978774
I don't even use save states I just hate elitist fucks. I have ten times the respect for someone who cheated through a game than the 4chin loser who talks about games all day long but never plays them. The latter is the majority of people losing their mind over save states.

>poorfags bragging they pirated games and "beat" them with cheats

>>715978880
>Dies
>Gets sent back to the title screen
>AIIIIIEEEE, IT'S ANUDDAH HOLOCAUST

>>715962362 (OP)
I'm willing to yield a single concession to save states: only setting one at the very start of a new level. It's not something I do, but I do consider that to be a reasonable parallel to a game that lets you save progress between stage clears. On the other hand, I also see this as a privilege afforded only to people who've cleared at least one middle-difficulty NES game cold. Proof of competency, and eating your vegetables before being allowed dessert.

>>715978918
No, he was retarded. A screen is a screen. It doesn't matter if you watch it in cinema, on your TV or your phone. The slight differences in presentation does not affect the core idea the movie was trying to convey. The same goes for paper vs ebook and anything else like music.
People obsessing about the medium on which art is shown are like audiophiles. They use the music to listen to their equipment instead of using their equipment to listen to music.

>>715978880
Zoomers make posts like this before crying about Contra being unfair.

>>715962362 (OP)
"Beating" a game is only relevant if you're playing retro stuff. Anything made prior to like 2002 is trivial to complete.

>>715978940
anon, now you are just being retarded and projecting
no sane person uses save states and then claims they are an expert at the game
but they can claim they beat it
also, you arent an intellectual for reading a lot of books
you just had a lot of time on your hands to waste

>>715979269
Contra was easy thougheverbait. If you've beaten Celeste you'll breeze through Contra.

>>715978716
this. think for yourself and enjoy media in the way that makes you happiest.

>>715979413
>Celeste
Literally a tranny game with checkpoints in every stage.

>>715979376
No shit, it was a shitpost. No flipping a books pages or playing a movie at full speed are NOT watching it.

>>715979417
The only sane take in this thread.

>>715979269
>WHAT?!?
>ONE HIT?
>THREE LIVES?!
>I HAVE TO START FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE STAGE WHEN I CONTINUE?!?
>CONTINUES ARE LIMITED AS WELL?!??!?!
>OOOOOHHHHH THE JANK, OOOOHHHH THE CLUNKY, AHHH IT'S SO POORLY DESIGNED, HOW DARE THE GAME DEMAND MORE FROM ME!

>Look at these zoomers using save states to beat old games lol
You fucking dumbasses, zoomers aren't the ones playing NES games in 2025. These are millinials and Gen x fags going back to games they played in their childhoods and remembering how boring it is to repeat the first level 30 times in order to beat the game.

>>715979596
>You fucking dumbasses, zoomers aren't the ones playing NES games in 2025
What are you talking about? I know one that doesn't use save states and is trying to do a no miss on CVIII.

>>715979471
Yes it's a tranny game but Contra is easier than it. You can beat Contra on your first try. You are not beating every level of Celeste on your first try even if you're a god gamer.

>>715978880
>the indie platformers that come out today are more difficult than the NES games
i've played quite a few and most of them have multiple checkpoints in a single level which pretty much makes it a cakewalk. you haven't played a single nes game in your life.

>>715979732
>You can beat Contra on your first try.
Holy mother of LARP.

>>715962721
>anon is such a useless loser IRL he has to extract a sense of achievement from repeatedly banging his head over legacy video game design

>Zoomies exalting tranny games
The absolute STATE of this board.

>>715980023
>anon is such a useless loser IRL he has to extract a sense of achievement from repeatedly save stating his game by defending it on 4chan

>>715967367
Based dad.

>>715980189
I'm literally getting laughs from your useless shitter life
you are funny as in "a clown" and that is enjoyable
I'm not extracting any sense of achievement from it, unlike you in your original post

>>715981317
You're on 4chan, in the video game board.

>>715974125
Nigger your whole argument is that someone should be wasting time doing something that isn't even hard otherwise they didn't win.

>>715981961
that's right, and when failed normalfaggots blurt out shit like this >>715962721, unaware of the window that gives into their life, it's really funny

>>715982287
My point is you didn't beat it if you didn't beat it.
>but i could!
Ok, you didn't though.

>>715964620
I use them at save points/password screens so I can just jump back into the game without going through menus and shit.

>100 posts away from hitting the bump limit
>all because of a reddit poll
fucking shit man

>>715962558
I gotta consume the next thing
watch movies on 2x speed
zoom zoom zoom

>>715975650
More of a source than your image

>>blocks have arbitrary sizes
Just like yours

bump

>>715962362 (OP)
They're right.

>>715962558
>▲ Pretend You Won

>>715988112
we did

>>715972191
I really don't know. They just are, and that's why everyone, old and young, hates them.

>>715962362 (OP)
Go to bed, Tim Rogers.
>you didn't get cholera as a child
YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME

Bravely default's second half is absolute pure fucking garbage and thank god I did this shit on emulator with save states instead of 3DS and I certainly beat the game more than all the fucking subhuman retards who lost several dozen upon HUNDRED of hours of their miserable life grinding the same fucking bosses 6 times in a row each without ever a single change in challege or difficulty.
Also I played the game at 150% speed, save state allows gamers to fix the predatory game design of devs, jrpgs fags are quite literally dogs or roman era slaves, they happily do the life wasting grind.

>>715967367
>a story about how your dad taught you the lesson of persisting through adversity
>somehow a bad thing

Your dad was based and you outright rejected what he was trying to show you. Embarrassing

>>715963547
you also forgot
>use savestates so I don't have to watch the 3 minute cutscene before the boss
thanks OG Kingdom Hearts

>>715962362 (OP)
I think exceptions should be made for extremely buggy games. There was that one Sega Genesis game on an episode of GCCX which crashed like 3 times and Arino had to re-play it in its entirety each time. Playing shit-quality-controlled games with save states is justified.

>>715989327
oh I forgot some important context here
>when playing an old game that required a restart to load on an emulator or modern platform, he would manually watch the PS1 startup sequence EVERY SINGLE TIME he loaded a stave state

>>715962362 (OP)
I'm 30y and I always used save states and fast forward

>>715990615
good for you but you can't mark any of the games as completed. you can only mark them as "watched".

>>715990779

>>715990779
Yes I agree with this as well.
Also just question have you played any competitive fps or fighting game?
I'm sorry but if you never beat the greatest player of their respective game, be either s1mple, faker or daigo, you never played any of these games at all because it means you aren't good enough, you can only mark them as "watched".
I did of course beat all of them so unlike you I played these games.
Same goes for highly speedran games like Mario64, if you never finished this game in less than 1h35 for the 120 stars world record, you never beat the game either, I'm sorry pal that's just the rule.
Also I'll add that if you never beat all the souls game no hit no exp you never """""played"""" a single souls game, unfortunately.

Do boomers think that the only way to beat a game is by not saving, ever? Then why did you old fucks buy those memory plugs?

>>715964271
Most gacha have dailies and BP that can be both done in less than 5 minutes
It is not the own you think it is

>>715962362 (OP)
>considered one of the greatest boomer classics of all time
>everyone plays it with constant quicksaving
Hmmm.....

>>715962947
imagine another world where games adapted the energy systems of mobile games into full feature games

>>715962362 (OP)
zoomers are also drinking when they were bragging about being teetotalers, maybe they'll also turn woke like they used to be as well

>>715992352
>like Mario64, if you never finished this game in less than 1h35 for the 120 stars world record, you never beat the game either
That's not really the same. In fact, speedrunning for records involves actively trying to skip as much of the game as possible and then saying you're the best in the world at it lmao.

>>715994663
That's different... Because it just is, okay?