>You shouldn't own the games you buy because

>>715963153 (OP)
why are lolbertarians so cringe

where is the joke here? everyone knows lolberts are retards

>>715963153 (OP)
You are told directly multiple times that you are purchasing a license, no different than renting a book or a car. And most people have no problems with this.

>>715963381
By making another post in this thread you agree to me raping you

>>715963153 (OP)
you're not buying the game, you're buying a license. if you wanted to buy Halo, for example, it would cost you millions of dollars. and that would be assuming M$ even wanted to sell it.
Stop being retarded, Gaymers.

>>715963381
then they need to change the storefront to VIDEO GAME LICENSES and the buy button to RENT TEMPORARY LICENSE problem solved.

>>715963381
Most people don't understand this and would not agree to it if it was plainly spelled out on the packaging of your purchase. Do you think the DVD industry would have been as successful as it was if every plastic case had a big label on it that said "by purchasing this movie, you don't actually own it and we can take it away from you whenever we feel like it and you don't get a refund cocksucker"? It's obfuscated for a reason, which is why the industry is pushing back so hard against an initiative that says "it's okay to do this, you just have to be transparent about it."

>>715964195
>faggot trying to justify a sexual emergency
/v/ would be instantly improved without brownoid country range bans

>>715963153 (OP)
fixed your shit

>>715963153 (OP)
1500 signatures left to 1.4 million.

>>715965126
*with brownoid country range bans

>>715965204
Fucking this
Commies needs to be beaten to death

>>715965204
Why is the lolburt confused

>>715963381
>no different than renting a book

>>715965204
I always thought the "communism = government does thing" was a joke lol

>>715963153 (OP)
because the people you are asking to handle it for you are a force of great evil
why can't you retards get this through your head

>>715965901
No, they are just that retarded.

kill yourselves statists

imagine being a lolbert in current_year

>>715967349
>ancap nigger still living in normal society and shitposting on 4chan instead of removing himself from the states and going to live in siberia
Fake ass nigger, as usual.

>>715963153 (OP)
>>715963309
>>715963291

Using the government to own other people's property is not libertarianism, it's theft.

>>715965204
Commies champion private ownership?

>>715963153 (OP)

If they didn't want regulation they shouldn't have been such greedy cunts

Did the Psyop work and conservatives are against SKG now or is this still a part of it and you're trying will it into existence?

>>715965204
Good goy.

>>715970006
I think it's 99% fake. I'm right wing and might be amenable to lolbert arguments in some cases, but doing anything to hurt corporate live service games is good so who cares.

lolbertarians are the furries of economics

tick tock 3 hours on the clock

I just got a physical copy of a game in the mail, ask me anything

>>715965204
>A government shouldn't be able to govern

>>715969547
Future so bright I gotta wear shades.

>feudal germany is a rigid industrious power
>nazi germany is a rigid industrious power
>democratic germany is a rigid industrious power again
"Woah, those germans just know how to build things regardless of their political system."

>tzarist Russia is a backwater shithole grinding its people
>soviet Russia is a backwater shithole grinding its people
>kleptocratic Russia is a backwater shithole grinding its people again
>"Yup, Communism was the issue. What else could it be."

>>715963381
I mean, looking at the signatures it seems that most people do not, in fact, agree with it.

>>715967774
>Using the government to own other people's property is not libertarianism, it's theft.
No shit? So why are libertarians against SKG?

>>715970548
I always feel sorry for commies that aren't allowed to articulate this forbidden argument

>>715963381
I 'just owned a license' 20 years ago, and yet those games still work today and will keep working forever

Why should we relinquish that standard

>>715963153 (OP)
>>715965204
I don't know who's jewing who, but I know I should own the things I purchase with my money.
#StopKillingGames
I also know that the American citizen, ALL citizens, are entitled to spend their money how they choose to
#FairAccessToBanking

>>715963381
I dont understand what zoomers see in Roblox. It's incredible ugly and looks like it barely works

>>715963153 (OP)
>leftoids and breadtubers equating SKG with gamergate and attacking it for months
>but suddenly libertarians are the issue
Why?

>>715965204
skiggers btfo

>>715965204
>strawman
Ok

>>715963381
>You are told directly multiple times that you are purchasing a license
You literally are not.
Even if you weren't just lying to make an irrelevant point, videogames historically have been sold as products, if the industry wanted games to be services they should have done it decades ago, instead they wanted to keep those hefty single point of contact purchases, so now they think they're entitled to not only that, but forcing you to pay to keep playing, and THEN also being able to just, take your purchase away as if it was a service?
Video games as a service is and has been fraud this whole time, and we as consumer are done with it.
Companies don't just get to have all the benefits of both ways while laying down the negatives on the consumer, pick one.

>>715963153 (OP)
>>715963291
The core problem with Libertarianism is that they oppose more government, but they refuse to see the government doing certain things as more government.

For instance, without the government enforcing property rights, everyone else would just rob the rich. Now i do agree that stealing is generally bad, and it's better to enforce property rights. But it's only fair that if you have a lot of property that needs protection, you should contribute more to society.
The Libertarian then cries out in anger. He thinks property rights should be protected FOR FREE and nothing should be asked in return.

>>715967349
You should arrive at a political position based on your learned opinions and facts, "anacap studies" sounds like someone started at wanting to be an ancap and then just cherrypicked a bunch of shit to get there, which is always a really bad way of developing your ethical and political opinions.

>>715971036
Bro, your private military company?

>>715965204
leave the multi-billion dollar industry alone

>>715971182
>get 50-100 goobers to protect your shit
>you arm them
>they turn their guns against you and rob your shit because there is nothing preventing them from doing so

>>715971182
The moment you are completely reliant on your PMC to protect your property, they can demand whatever they want to protect it, or they can just take all of it.

>>715968598
how is forcing people that make products to make them in a particular way private ownership? that's market regulation if anything and thus not private ownership

>>715971418
Pay a PMC to protect you against your PMC. Problem solved

>>715963381
Then how long were we licensing for?
How long were we renting for?
It doesn't say, therefor the legal default is that we are giving them money to have access to the product indefinetely.

>>715970632
because skg is coercive

>>715971505

>>715971646
do you come on 4chan just to be a retard for fun?

>>715965204
CEOs are getting more powerful than governments as years passes.

>>715971505
I pay PepsiCo to protect me with their submarines. Ain't nobody starting shit with me lest they want to star a war.

>>715971708
No, that's just his natural state.

>>715971708
do you have a counter talking point or you are just gonna ad hom your way out of this

>>715963381
It says 'buy' on their website instead of 'rent' so they are at the very least committing grand larceny and conspiracy to commit fraud. At least this is the definition in my country: If you say you're going to sell someone something but then claim it was only a license, that's legally the same as stealing it under the pretense of fraud. Yet every storefront does this.

>>715971646
>>715971785
damn nigga you stupid as fuck ESPECIALLY if you're baiting

>>715971785
SKG just asks that games are left in a playable state after live service ends. They don't ask that companies continue their live services forever if they no longer are profitable. Something as easy as an offline mode is already enough, which is something all games, including multiplayer titles used to have by default until very recently.

>>715963291 >>715963153 (OP)

lolbertarians dont support current rentseeking copyright laws either so you are barking at a wrong tree

>already lost
>still crying
Imagine being an industry shill rn. You woke up too late, fellas.

>>715963153 (OP)
>>715963291
libertarianism is a great first step, recognizing that lots of policy has deadweight loss attached to it is good.

the next step afterwards is to ask where the coordination problems are such that state involvement can get you some kaldor-hicks improvements

lots of libertarians never got that far, so they're stuck as little hedgehogs on step one. the intelligent ones among them will make the next step at some point

>>715971646
>because skg is coercive
explain how. let's hear it. you're fucking full of shit. I expect your response to be low IQ trash, if I get a response at all.

>>715972025
>just asks
oh so skg is just a suggestion? ok so why is anyone talking about this if all companies and developers on earth can ignore it if they want since is just a suggestion, the spamming of skg is worthless

>>715967774
I want the property I paid for, instead of you being able to remotely delete it after the sale but keep my money

>>715972151
see>>715972190

>>715972228
>uh yes i want to own the hotel room i rented, what you mean i can't do that??!

800~ signatures to go anons.

>>715972190
it's a petition for the EU to make it into law that games need to be left in a playable state after live service ends. Not sure how anyone could be against this unless they are either genuinely retarded or just bad faith contrarians. There is literally nothing bad about what SKG asks for.

The fact that lobbyists are responding means that they are afraid. It's actually over for them.

>not owning your house, car, organs, body
>GOOD and PATRIOTIC and CHRISTIAN
>not owning your videogamerinos
>LE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>715972393
>EU to make it into law that games need to be left in a playable state after live service ends
oh so it is coercive and not a suggestion, my point on skg being coercive stands, thus skg is not libertarian

>>715972314
Okay, then remove the word "buy" from your store and replace it with "rent temporary license" nigga
You won't

>>715972314
The issue is that this was a gradual change that people were not made aware of. For decades, they did in fact own the games they bought. It only changed from owning to renting in the last 10 or so years.

>>715967774
>bootlicking corpos this hard
>noooo think of poor corporatiorinos!
Nope, just not gonna.

>>715970360
Sex with Anna.

>>715972242
I knew your response would be worthless. you're a prime example of a midwit useful idiot. you didn't even address the primary question of how skg was coercive. how did you even get past the captcha? are you paying to post here or is it coming out of the marketing budget?

>>715972497
>you're either a lolbert or 'coercive'
Totally a good faith argument.

>>715972314
Renting? I bought a game
even when its digital, you still click a big button marked BUY

>>715963291
Because they take pride in being losers. Everyone else has no issue in getting the government to work for them. Feminists, corpos, communists, even lefty anarchists. Libertarians insist on fighting without using one of the most effective weapons at their disposal. So they can sit up straight and expound on their superior virtue all day long, at the end of the day they're the losers because everyone else is willing to work within a flawed system to try and make it better. Libertarians refuse to acknowledge the system's existence and then act surprised when it fucks them over. They're losers with a martyrdom fetish, they love inventing ways to make doing absolutely nothing feel like the morally superior action.

>>715971864
Because they know that if the button said "rent", you would not pay.

>>715967774
>implying corpos are the so called "people"
>implying even after my purchasethe corpo still owns my game
>implying YOU have no right and THEY have all the rights
fuck. you.

>>715972497
you're either a disingenuous shill or low tier retard

>>715972497
I don't get it. Why does that matter so much to you? The government already enacts a whole bunch of laws that protect consumers. I don't want to live in a world where corporations can do whatever they want and none of us ever lived in that world to begin with, consumer protection laws have always existed and have always been a good thing, so why are you pretending that it's a bad in this case?

>>715963153 (OP)
>You shouldn't own the games you buy because
It's a broken paradigm. A game is just data, there is nothing to own. The problems arise when broken copyright legislation starts interfering with your ability to actively use the data.
>>715963381
The system is just revealing that IP law is fundamentally broken in the modern age and doesn't work. The paradigm of publishers stopped being relevant once you no longer needed industrial equipment and contacts to create and distribute large volumes of media, and that paradigm is what informed the parameters of IP law, creating massively overinflated timespans and legislation because the assumption would be that everyone would need to deal with publishers that could also naturally field large legal teams.
Copyright duration needs to be cut down to 5 years to keep up with the irrelevance of publishers.

>>715972314
>you pay for a week at the hotel room
>having a good time, buy a few tshirts and other stuff in the lobby
>after 3 days, the staff burst down your door and tell you "Pack your things, you aren't allowed here anymore."
>"What's going on, what happened?"
>"You didn't buy enough food at the restaurant and bar so it's not economically viable for us anymore so get out."
>"What the fuck, are you fuckers crazy?"
>"What are you some sort of communist?"
>"What? No, what the fuck is wrong with you?"
>"I just told you, so fuck off. Also we are keeping all the shit you bought."

>This is normal accroding to anti-SKG retards.

>>715972826
If I could instead sign a government initiative to topple copyright, I would. Immediately. But that's just not a realistic goal right now, so SKG it is.

>>715972314
It says I'm BUYING the game in the EULA, not renting it Schlomo

You're not buying the game, you're buying a license to play it.
Piracy isn't theft, it's copyright infringement.

>>715971036
without a government the rich would simply ask us nicely to obey the non aggression principle
bing bong so simple

>>715971646
I don't care about corpos, bootlicking fuck

>>715972961
Copyright laws are anti-market, so piracy is a moral right.

>>715972961
Funny how the license for games I bought 20 years ago are still viable but licenses for games I buy now expire at the publisher's whim.

>>715965204
>A creator of something should be allowed to profit off of their creation if the free market enjoys it
>The creator should also have the ability to hold themselves above the free market and revoke use of their products after they've been obtained
If you're against the government entering your house to take your shit then you should also be against random CEO McDicksuck doing the same shit.

>>715970632
Begging for big daddy government to control gaming is statist cowardice.

>>715973304
>more pretend ancap niggers
*yawn*

>>715963381
And none of those are arguments that it should be that way.

>>715972961
But the license you are purchasing does not have an expiration date informing you that it is a temporary license. It doesn't say "you are purchasing a license to play this game for approximately 6 months to 3 years."

>>715972740
Inviting the state in cannot ever result in positive change that lasts. Eventually the law will be put of date or altered and it's gonna br YOUR fault when that happens.

You dont hate feds enough if you think you want them involved in gaming

>>715973304
>Instead of letting the government have control we will let the public equity holders beholden to line go up have control.
The ancrap lolbertarian to corpococksucker pipeline is a straight drop.

>>715973304
the government controls every facet of our lives, I sure as hell am not going to complain the ONE TIME they can actually do something that benefits me for once.

>>715968598
Commies and leftranny bitchfaggos want to control the masses, and when they see corporations censoring the RIGHT things they don't like, like le choods, le nazis, and not saying meany shit to troon filth, they are SO for censorship and corporations having ALL the private ownership they could want, until it hits them back in the face and they start gaslighting right wingers and bitchfacing with the "are you hypocrites?" tagline when they are no longer catered to.

>>715973456
they already are involved in gaming you moron. There are lots of consumer protection laws that already exist that prevent companies from racketeering or outright scamming their audience. I don't see why adding another one that is going to be very beneficial for the end consumer would be a bad thing on any level.

>>715973456
>I hate change because other things will change over time
Is this nigger serious?

>>715963381
>no different than renting a book
The library actually wants people to continue using their books and goes out of their way to preserve out of print books and maintain accessibility to them.

>>715972904
>2030
>SKG is law
>Under the auspices of the new EU legislation, new social governance rules are passed via EU legislative efforts
>Government enforced SBI style woke nonsense forced into every game
You're a fucking short sighted retard.

>>715969547
>strangled on all sides by public sidewalks
>I hoped over them and went inside
lmao

>>715970548
germany was living off of an "economic miracle" that required going further into debt to keep the economy running off of nothing.
It got things going again but without serious changes it was going to collapse again.
Part of why hitler told the banks and their "debts" they forced on germany post ww1 to fuck off.
They then spent years bitching to anyone and everyone, especially in england, to please pretty please invade germany.
Hitler made it easy with his obsessions, and so the banks bailed england out of its depression in exchange for them finally going to war.
All part of meetings in a car with winston churchhill and one of the rothschildes that got photographed.
Just a small slice of everything that went into england joining the war and germany's reasons, of course, but a significant one, none the less.

>>715973639
>SKG will cause more wokeness!
That desperate for an argument?

>>715973639
Even if your retardation was true, they wouldn't need skg to do it, they can do it right now.

>>715973226
Yes but inviting the government to step i and do it is infact; not a solution and o ly problem.

We should have collectively organized to coerce corporate interests into submitting to our demands. Instead we're making the classic mistake of inviting Kikes into the situation.

>>715973639
newfag. they starting going the route you speak of back in 2014 as part of gamergate.
it was one of the things uncovered.

>>715973456
No, fuck off. Your ancap retardation does not concern me. This is an unambiguously positive thing for me and should already be industry standard. I won't turn against it because it MIGHT one day BECOME a bad thing (somehow) in some unspecified way. Fuck off.

>>715964195
Hiiii hi hi hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii~

>>715973516
"commies and leftranny bitchfaggos" are the first to remind you that 'it's not censorship, private companies can do whatever they want' and/or repost that fucking xkcd comic but then sperg out when it bites them in the ass for once.

>>715972497
copyright laws are coercive and you are not a libertarian

I don't understand why game developers and corporate bootlickers are shivering in fear over the premise that multiplayer games might be forced to offer an offline mode where you can play against bots. How the fuck is this such a big deal? Just fucking do it, it's been done before for literally decades. I can still play my copy of Unreal Tournament offline without a problem long after the offical servers were shut down and the developer doesn't have any extra costs because of it.

>>715973470
We can fight corpos without inviting the most violent gang [Federal Government] into the battle.

>>715973475
>there's already a cock in every hole, why not invite another one to the gangbang!

>>715973589
No they aren't. Consumer protection is a broad umbrella. Inviting specific gaming focused shit is suicidally retarded.

>>715973772
>We should have collectively organized to coerce corporate interests into submitting to our demands.
Whatchu gonna go kiddo, boycott 50% of the industry? Show me an organized game boycott that worked and forced corpos to change, I'll wait.

>>715973949
>just offer an offline mode and/or let users host their own servers
Oh my god that would cost like two gazillion billion dollars, it's so expensive and hard and would be super dangerous. Don't bring up that they did it all the time in the 90s and early 2000s.

>>715973949
It forces them to compete with the giants that came before them, instead of standing on their shoulders for free rep.
Their games will have to be better than the previous ones, not just newer.

See this? It's literally terrorism.
If you do this, communists win.
And not it's possible to begin with

>>715973951
The government forcing lazy devs by law to make sure their games have an offline mode is a GOOD THING and you have not been able to provide a single argument why it wouldn't be. Your entire argument is circular. Government bad, if government does something that is good for you, it's still bad. I pay enough taxes, this one time, the government can do something that benefits me for once, thank you very much.

>>715973949
for the 100th time - its about the intellectual property
they want to own everything forever and extract profit from their IP and the customers to own nothing

>>715963153 (OP)
games shouldn't even be sold they should be free and open source and made for the game itself not profit

>>715973590
You should make changes that dont foreseeably lead to nonsense and problems.

SKG could be a consumer advocacy group and we could've rallied behind them and coerced publishers into cooperating. We could've targeting a couple major releases from.big publishers and organized to boycott/mock/review bomb the newest big corposlop AAA games unless they acquiesce to certain consumer protection standards and share a reasonable end of life plan and commit to not kill the game.


Instead you bootlicking vaxxcattle just beg for more fed boots to make out with.

>>715974228
>noooo goyim how dare you not fall into the trap

>>715974228
>SKG could be a consumer advocacy group
And it would have accomplished nothing, much like all the others.
>we could've rallied behind them and coerced publishers into cooperating
You would not.

>>715974197
As much as I hate big governments and the EU I do think European consumer protection is top notch and it's a shame the US doesn't bother with it because bootlicking is so trendy for both sides of the political spectrum there. We should all hate big corporations and prevent them from fucking us in the ass as much as we can.

It's not even like SKG is asking that much. Just have some EOL plans in place. The least you can do is have your license say how long you plan to run the game for.

At this rate I might as well consider myself a communist. Whenever I speak up against any corpo greed or think some regulations and government programs are good I get called one anyway and everyone considers me one.
I'll prob read more into it and talk with more communists because I sure as hell am not welcomed in right-wing circles. especially as I have a bicycle and use public transit

>>715974228
>you should act less effectively in a way that's easier to disrupt attacking in utterly meaningless ways just to pass my gubmint bad purity testing
fucking review bombing lmao. the thing every gaming site can trivially detect and delete at this point

>>715973951
If we followed your argument to it's conclusion we'd see a return to the most retarded period of American history.

>>715973738
Governments LOVE enforcing women's at the implied gunpoint of legislative coercion.

>>715973745
You're greasing up the fucking collective asshole with SKG. SKG is like doing poppers and BEGGING for Fedcock to pound your ass into the dirt.

>>715973790
No, GG was too decentralized. If GG had formed a respectable Non-governmental computer advocacy outfit that sought to put gaming journos in their place, it might've accomplished something.

>>715973813
Shortsighted bootlick.

>>715973938
im libertarian and i defend copyright laws for pragmatic reasons such as making it harder for subhuman anti-libertarian countries like china etc to not get technology so easily

>>715974228
Your "foreseeable problems" are retarded delusions my dude that you are try to will into existence out of paranoia. There was no thought process ever involved with your shit.
Also, see
>>715974013
You are as delusional as commies who believe communism will work because of some retardation about human nature striving for equality and shit.
You're a retarded idealist who won't look at the world for what it is.

>>715973840
Why are you like this

I refuse to believe ancaps aren't glowie plants meant to poison the well. Everything they allegedly believe in is pretty much the Flat Earth of politics.

>>715974496
no, you are more likely not welcomed for being a faggot about it.

>>715974519
you don't even understand what I was talking about with GG, newfag.
there were government groups looking to force proto-DEI shit into games operating behind the scenes via the system of reviews and soft pressure the journos relied on.

>>715974562
>we might get fucked in the ass, get our life's work stolen and then get sued for a million billion over selling drawings of a character you made in a con
>but at least china isn't going to get out tech! (they just get it anyway)

>>715974013
All the energy you fucking whiny bootlicking retards spent on SKG could've easily been put into creating an actual pro-consumer group. We could have a world where publishers come to our special for gamers by gamers consumer protection group and beg for them to gold stamp it as "consumer friendly". We could have tried to create an independent ESRB-esque outfit that seeks to encourage publishers to make consumer first choices.

Instead you're crying to kike demons who will fuck you in the ass the instant you look away.

Reminder skiggers are just e-celeb worshippers. They will latch onto whatever their streamers tell them to. It's the pop artist equivalent of vidya.

>>715974562
copyright doesnt stop china from stealing tech retard.
it stops them from easily selling it outside of their own country.

>>715973949
If they don't shutdown old thing why would consumer buy new thing?

>>715974228
>You should make changes that dont foreseeably lead to nonsense and problems.
>Still seething about covid
You're the reason survivorship bias exists.

>>715973951
>We can fight corpos without inviting the most violent gang [Federal Government] into the battle.
Name three (3) ways in which you can do this that are actually effective.

>>715974759
People used to buy a new Megaman every year when all the old ones worked fine.

>>715970592
>looking at the signatures it seems that most people do not,
a million people who play games is a fucking small but loud minority lmao

>>715974519
>Governments LOVE enforcing women
You could see more lfetist-feminist industry regulations but this would have nothing to do with the petition
In reality they will just discard it like they always do even with environmentalist causes which had even bigger support and moral posturing

>>715974897
if it was so small you faggots wouldn't have been paid to come here lmao

>>715974803
Why shouldn't people see the about that scamdemic? Nobody went to jail over it

>>715974709
>open game
>new server
>server mode: offline, local host

NOOOOOOOOOO you FOOLS what have you done? don't you see? This will destroy video games forever.

>>715974408
Defeatist cowardice.

>>715974505
It's an effective tool and publishers and devs panick every time it's used.

>>715974515
>doesn't elaborate
Chew glass nigger.

>>715974592
It's not a delusion. Every single major choice made by western governments nowadays is about further degeneration and demolition of the west's culture and value systems. When you involve current day western feds, you are inviting hyper evil kikes who hate us all and want us dead or gay.

>>715974963
>He's doubling down
Unironically get a CT scan and see if your amygdala is enlarged.

>>715974803
The government experiemtned on you with dangerous novel genetic technologies and forced you to cooperate under threat of segregationist isolation.

That's what governments will get you. Crimes against humanity.

>>715975123
corporations have and will do all of that just the same, faggot.
use one against the other as needed.
get fucked.

>it will never get 1m signatures
>it will never get noticed by the government
>it's impossible to implement this
>it's never going to get 1.2m signatures
>it's impossible for devs to do this
>it's never going to get 1.4m signatures
^YOU ARE HERE
>it's never going to be made into an actual law
>it's never going to pass
>it's never getting enforced
>it's going to destroy the industry
>it was a mistake and communism
>old games suck anyway nobody will play the offline mode

>>715975123
Corporate will do the same, except without even telling you. Without government you wouldn't fucking have drinkable water.

>>715975019
>is incapable of viewing his argument from an outside perspective and based on historical trends to see how it would end in harm
That's some p-zombie mentality.

>>715963153 (OP)
pic unrelated

>>715975179
No because corporations dont have armies of soldiers ready to lock you up.or shoot you when you dissent. Feds are just corpos but with guns and carte blanche to dehumanize or murder you.

>>715975273
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)

>>715963291

>>715974709
What do you think "actual pro-consumer groups" do, you total retard?
All the ones I know that have done anything and made any change have done so petitioning the government in some way, not cried to big daddy corpo to be less mean to them despite record profit.
The ESBR isn't a consumer group you complete nigger, it was literally formed by the industry, admittedly as a self regulated entity, through the entertainment software association (fromerly interactive digital software association) and had only done so after government intervention in 1993 with federal hearings. It's not soccer moms united like you seem to believe.

>>715975123
See >>715975090

>>715974562
then you are a hard-line propertarian
current copyright laws are anti-libertarian and infringe on the freedom of ideas and only enable rentseeking parasites and stifle fair competition and innovation
and yeah Chyna is proving exactly that - West is shackled by the absurdly extended copyright laws where its more profitable to patent troll than to innovate

>>715975273
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawyer
retarded nigger.

>>715963153 (OP)
>You don't want the government involved in the willing interactions among people

Correct, that is why I am technically against the initiative. However, the companies also use the government for immoral things, and those things are far worse than what the initiative is asking for. Ultimately, I hope the companies get fucked even though there isn't anything in the initiative that would fuck over companies. I hope people will stop spending their money on trash.

>>715963381
>>715963381
>You are told directly multiple times that you are purchasing a license
Yep, and we want this to stop.
>And most people have no problems with this.
Source on this claim? I'm pretty sure companies giving you less and less over the years is not "everyone is happy", it's the slippery slope of a child poking you for giggles until you get mad, you can't let them walk all over you until they've very clearly crossed the line.

>>715975227
At any moment the government could decide social justice demands that we provide racialized preferences in water access and cleanliness. Before you know it, clean water becomes free only if you're part of a minority or house a refugee on your property. There is no line they won't cross.

>>715975246
Stop projecting your own failings onto me . Every recent trend shows that current western governments are profoundly evil and seek to destroy the values, wealth and happiness of their citizens

>>715972314
>Buy a couch
>Some men show up at your door 2 years later with no warning to inform you that their EULA specifies that you are merely renting the couch, and the company now no longer sees it worthwhile to continue support of this product
>Thanks you for your purchase and leaves a flyer for Couch 2™ on their way out as they repossess it for future destruction
>Complain about it in a public forum
>Told that the couches were somehow destroyed to protect the safety of customers and that doing otherwise would mean that it wouldn't be financially viable to make future couches

>>715965204
Yeah...it's has been strange to see commies shill for companies, it's almost like leftoids are nothing but easily controlled humancattle

>>715975302
Only allowed to exist by Feds who enjoy the use of them as a proxy. They wouldn't be allowed if the Feds didn't love them

>>715975273
Chiquita Banana
Coca-Cola
East India Trading Company
Nestle
The entire PMC/Security Contractor industry
Standard Oil
Pullman Palace Car Company
Republic Steel
Carnegie Steel
I can go on.

>>715971505
>Anon accidentally starts a proxy military conflict
>PMC1 launches a daring raid on a PMC2 base, routs PMC2 and loots the facility
>The facility where PMC2 was protecting Anon's assets

>>715965901
Reading Marxist Leninist theory is hard

>>715963153 (OP)
What are you going to do besides cry on the Internet and accomplish nothing?
That's right lol Seethe you won't do shit

>>715975437
Lawyers dont murder you and lock.you up. They simply seek to suck your bank dry.

>>715975520
What does any of that have to do with SKG though you absolute fucking schizo?

>>715970632
>why are libertarians against SKG?
I've actually seen no evidence of this claim itself. The obvious answer is that libertarians on principle want as little legislation about any form of trade and commerce, but governments already do this with everything all the time.
IN FACT the EU government enforcing a potential new law, a law that would mostly only work against major AAA dev companies, would only be doenstream from US citizens and not a law we are directly under.

>>715975686
SKG wants to give more power to the government.

>>715975628
In every case those corps had to turn to Feds to get their power protection abilities. Every single time they just bribed Feds.

Listing evil corpos doesn't change anything you absolute fucking midwit.

>>715975670
which you use to feed yourself and provide a roof over your head otherwise you get arrested for not having a home to live in

amogus

>>715975302
>.m.
Dumb mobile poster

>>715963291
Because it's a poorly thought out ideology that relies on emotions and appeals to people who are new to politics because it feels very liberating. It's why atheism is cringe too. Doesn't help that most of the adherents are young and have an axe to grind with authority.

>>715975686
You're asking Feds who hate you and want you raped by legions of shitskinned invaders to protect your vidya. It will only result in more destruction.

>>715975628
>East India Trading Company
>Company type
>De facto partially State-owned enterprise[1]
>State-owned enterprise (after Government of India Act 1858)

get your shit straight bruh, EIC was government shit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company

>>715963153 (OP)
who is the yellow/snake shirt person supposed to represent?

>>715963381
I don't rent books or cars. Why would I ever do something as silly as that when I could just buy them?

>>715975686
It's le slippery slope. First they let you own what you bought, then they took your water.

>>715975670
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police

>>715974228
Are you insane? It's hard to imagine a less effective and more divisive method of tackling an alliance of multiple massive corporations. That would be, at absolute best, a bunch of feel-good, performative pearl clutching. Hell, they wouldn't even need to address it directly to subvert it.

>>715975787
Yes but as Alex Jones surviving that trillion dollar settlement situation shows us: Financial destruction is about as fake and gay as it can get.

>>715975735
But according to your own logic, the government doesn't need to be given any power, it already has all the power and can do whatever it wants. So I don't see how the government implementing a good law for once that is actually beneficial for consumers is a bad thing. What is your logic here?

>>715975772
>Every single time they just bribed Feds.
Exactly. How can I trust the government when the companies with enough money can just buy themselves "get out of jail free" cards?

>>715975892
The corporations are already taking it.
Stop bitching because you are being forced to give some back.

>>715975921
thats the point. he is a paid shill.

>>715975865
Libertarians.
I'ts the gadsden flag which often has the famous "don't tread on me" slogan.

>>715965204
>The heavily leftoid controlled gaming industry does not want the gravy train to be stopped
Reminder that this tranny looking mother fucker is anti-woke

>>715974868
V-voting with your wallet?

It's incredible. Anti-SKG is trying so hard, but they can't put forward a single argument that doesn't sound unhinged.

>>715975974
because you are a shill doing their work.
you ARE their attempt at a bribe.
because this will do something they don't want.

>>715976020
this is voting with our wallets. taxes come out of them.

>>715975921
No, it would be a coming-of-age moment for gaming consumers where we finally stand up together and seek change.

Instead what's happening is you're begging the most evil people on earth to get involved.

>>715963153 (OP)
>movement that defends unlimited capitalism is against something that hurts capitalism
Crazy :O

>>715975983
>The corporations are already taking it.
Sounds like people should get together in some sort of national organization and start setting rules for what these evil corporations can do.

>>715976060
nigger this isn't tumblr no one is gonna buy into your hippy shit lmao
go beg your boss for a pay cut because that was SAD

>>715976015
>Antiwoke
yeah, he was one of the subhumans fruitlessly spamming the
>I have anti-woke fatigue

>>715975948
It's about precedence and drawing their attention.

>>715976021
What's unhinged is thinking western governments are the most evil organizations currently operating on the planet.

are the anti-skg shills the same people that shilled against net neutrality?
>Noooo how dare the government regulate corporations

>>715976015
...until it suits him. Just like how empowering the indie game dev is his passion... until one entertains using his voice as a fair use parody in a way that hurts his fee fees and causes him to file false DMCA claims over the indie's project without doing his due dilligence on if the gsme he struck even contained that contested content to begin with.

>>715976184
It's not about that. It's about deeply set and incurable mistrust of Governments. Literally less than 5 years ago the governments of the world went mask off and literally medically raped their citizens while revoking their fundamental human rights.

>>715976021
>create game
>99% of the files are on your PC/console
>just needs a server connection
What is the argument against letting players run their own servers when you no longer want to support it? This is no different than how multiplayer games worked for decades prior.
A similar movement is happening with IoT stuff right now and it's the same reasonable argument. Why should a company be able to deactivate your smart lightbulbs or outlets or whatever instead of letting the consumer run their own server without any implied warranty or support?

>>715976015
I only really learned who this guy that worked at blizzard was the other day and that has to be the biggest fumbles in human history, I don't know how a former blizzard employee could make such a stupid cockup

>>715975589
>it's has
Lol!

>>715976147
It's not a precedent though, there are lots of laws and regulations in place already. Many of which are beneficial to the consumer and this would be one more beneficial one. You can ceep crying but your corporate overlords WILL spend 1 afternoon making an intern put a local host offline mode into their multiplayer live service games and you will like it.

test

>>715974562
>im libertarian and i defend copyright laws

>>715976298

>>715976003
ah, thanks

>>715976147
>What's unhinged is thinking western governments are the most evil organizations currently operating on the planet.
The fact that private organizations exist, for beginners.

I don't think it will, but I do hope it works.So many gacha games where I'd kind of just like to play through at a casual pace after EoS, but damn fuckers can't even be bothered to put out one you can buy to keep it from competing with their next money pit.

>>715976290
This. I don't trust the government to do shit properly. Know all that great legislation requiring Apple to allow 3rd party app stores on their phones from the EU? Well also in that bill was the requirement that all 18+ websites verify IDs and create unique personal identifiers for visitors.
The government will fuck up everything with every chance they get.

>>715976290
>LITERALLY
>LITERALLY
>LITERALLY

>>715976059
Its not hard. Pro-consumer laws will, at worst, be ineffective for controlling AAA games from abandoning their titles and snatching games back from players. Just because I don't trust the government to adhere to laws that protect me doesn't mean I won't agree that a law protecting me is better than none of those laws being around. I say "watch them fuck this up" because the good we are all talking about being done here probably won't come to fruition, but for God's sake that does not mean I won't advocate for positive change. Libertarians want as little government intervention in a system of government they still subscribe to, those rejecting the government outright are ansrchists.

>>715976357
Thousands of gamers collectively getting on their knees and pleading for q chance to suck Fed cock is absolutely a precedent. We are signaling to the EU that we WANT them to fuck with our industry. We are signaling that when we want gaming to be improved; they're the ones we want to partner with.

It's exactly what they need to gain a foothold and consider pushing further. Why wouldn't they?! They're being invited in!

>>715973639
Lolbertarians are hilarious. You're treating government like it's a biblical devil, a vampire or some cosmic entity, bound by magical rules you've identified that prohibit it from acting on it's own, so you can feel forever smug for refusing it's temptations as your rights are taken away from you.
Newsflash retard: if they wanted to pass such a law, they'd just fucking do it, they don't need your input
>we should ban killing random people
>no you don't understand if you ask for that they'll actually pass the "you need to take a dick up your butt daily" law, I just know it! what? no, I've never read an actual act in it's entirety

>>715976430
Private organizations didn't just get finished raping you body and human rights for several years in a row.

>>715976448
Well said

>>715971646
Forcing sellers to deliver a product they've sold is coercive, yes

>>715976530
No it's not. There recently was a ruling involving Apple, planned obsolescence and right to repair laws, which is very similar in its broader goal to SKG actually. Are you also against right to repair laws?

>>715976537
Strawmanning us doesn't make the harm caused by my government's ignorances, or worse their malicious intentions, any less real.

>>715976530
>"But the gubment", cried the lolbertarian while taking 60 inches of corpo cock up the ass.

Might as well make a petition to make it illegal for Fortnite from selling skins for a limited time because it's heckin unfair to the people that started playing later. This shit only concerns "people" that play online-only games and expect anything else but online-only game shit. Retards deserve to have their money stolen.

>>715976646
>RETROACTIVE
If you made a product before any of these potential spitballed (meaning not even written up yet) laws take effect you won't be effected. Once the law is in place the intent is for you to prove your seriousness to the product by complying with the laws and not to swindle the ability to use those made services away from the customer.

>>715976664
>Strawmanning us
Your entire argument is based on the threat of wild hypotheticals, as if saying "government" out loud will empty your bank account and turn you gay.

>>715976649
No, I'm against asking Governments to regulate gaming because governments hate me and want me dead or propgandized. Right to repair isn't remotely similar because repairing phones isn't a method for mass distribution and normalization of social cancers. They want to pervert and ruin gaming and you're paving the way.

>>715976745
It also gave game devs an incentive to turn perfectly functional single player games into offline-only games though. Like for example there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why Diablo 4 doesn't have an offline mode.

>>715976745
>Might as well make a petition to make it illegal for Fortnite from selling skins for a limited time because it's heckin unfair to the people that started playing later
I have always thought timed skins were gay. If you make a game where the unlockables are timed or require something other than fair grinding to acquire, I stop caring. Shit is gay.

>>715976745
Works for singleplayer games that gets deactivated when it can't conect to a central server. That's literally what started this, with the single player part of the crew getting fucked when its live service part was shut down.

>>715976745
>Might as well make a petition to make it illegal for Fortnite from selling skins for a limited time because it's heckin unfair to the people that started playing later.
That's a great idea. That way they can no longer capitalize on limited avaliability (on a VIDEO GAME SKIN) to drum up FOMO. Add it to the list.

>>715976838
Oh you sweet summer child... I hope you get to live in the comfortable world of your ignorance and never need to see the wrongs the federal government has and is doing.

>>715976893
>there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why Diablo 4 doesn't have an offline mode.
DRM and all the money they lose from not having data to sell.

>>715976862
the EU is already funding lots of woke shit, so it's not a precedent. Games like Dustborn and AC: Shadows were funded by the EU tax payer.

>>715976745
Stop coming up with great ideas you idiot, you're undermining your own position.

>>715977016
>stop looking at the corporations goyim!
no.

>>715977034
Dustborn is not EU, try again.

>>715976956
Always online singleplayer was such a fucking cancer, I don't understand how people just accepted it. Can't fucking play the nu-Hitman without getting a message every 10 minutes telling me I got disconnected from/reconnected to the server.

>>715977034
>AC: Shadows were funded by the EU tax payer.
That's Canada, not eu.

>>715963291
There was a really good post a while back that went something like: "libertarians are like a house cat that looks down on you with scorn, not realizing you're what's keeping it fed and housed." Something like that.

>>715976957
>FOMO IS IMMORAL! SAVE ME DADDY EU! Please! I cant be the master of my own mind, I need you to save me from FOMO!
HELL FUCKING YEAH BRO! Limited availability cosmetics that feel like a status symbol.to own are evil and immoral. Never again should a game offer a special skin to celebrate a holiday or sales landmark.

>>715977110
What are you, a gommie? Just stay online. It's somewhere in the 30 page EULA that was tucked away in the corner when you bought it.

>>715977110
Zoomers and casuals ruined everything. They get actually confused and angry when given a game that is just a finished product on release.
>What do you mean it won't get updates for 10 years, why would I want to play it then?

>>715970548
>imperial germany tried to rule over Europe, failed and imploded the country
>nazi germany tried to rule over Europe, failed and imploded the country
>gay germany is trying to rule Europe, failing and imploding the country

>>715977162
Offering it and selling it are two different things.

>>715977162
>Never again should a game offer a special skin to celebrate a holiday or sales landmark.

>>715972093
lolbetarians are commies, in that they will bitch about any and all attempts to improve the current situation because it's not already perfect so it should remain shitty to make their imaginary perfect solution better in comparison

>>715977034
Funding is step.1. Step 2 is legislative coercion.

>>715977016
And I hope I never reach the point where I will gleefully let a conga line of corporations ream me at full tilt and feel that nothing is wrong purely because it isn't government-mandated semen inside of me.

>>715977239
Stop trying to give more power to the government/increase the amount of money the government steals from people as part of your "solution" and libertarians will support it.

>>715977162
>Never again should a game offer a special skin to celebrate a holiday or sales landmark.
You really think that would be a bad thing?

>>715977239
Nope. I told you how improve or address this situation without begging for fedkikes to get involved.

You're literally an infantilized moron who simply wants to cry to Fedaddy to.sokve his pwobwems

>>715965204
yurofags seething

Libertarians and Marxists are the only ones that understand what the state is. Liberals and nationalists have a downright mythical conception of states as the spirit/will of the People™. The State is an unthinking uncaring machine geared towards human utilization, Libertarians view it as dangerous to wield by anyone and Marxists unironically submit to it as such.

>>715977329
Hilariously, that same conga line of corporations will make it government mandated to get rammed in the ass, to ensure nobody can avoid it, and then people will tell you there was nothing that could have been done about it anyway, while shunning people actually trying to do something against it.

>>715977405
Yes. Limited time things are cool and it's a PERFECT example of the kind of people involved in SKG.

You are retards who just want daddy fed to make everything the way you want it to be.

>>715977225
No it isn't. The game is a product with a cost. They already sold you the opportunity to have the special skin.

>>715976664
What fucking strawmanning? "Don't sign a petition because if you do they can pass (bad) laws". That's your position. And I again reiterate
THEY ALREADY CAN, RETARD

>>715973712
>all this delusion
you germoids got off lightly after ww1 and people looked the other way when you ignored the treaties because you would be an useful bullwark against the commies, then you tried a funny again and got curbstomped, again

>>715971709
Don't kid yourself, even Bezos and Musk bent the knee.

>>715977535
Yes. After spending some time in this thread, I only want 2 things from SKG right now. I want you personally to suffer and be angry and I want to have the option to play multiplayer games in perfectly playable and functional offline modes. If the government can make this happen, then for once I will feel that my tax money didn't go to waste.

>>715967774
Nigger, are you retarded? Follow the causality link to the beginning and start spinning your no step snek bullshit from the start.

>>715977639
You're only making it.more likely that they will. Now for a decade or more, any bad hearted kike with an evil.plan for gaming can.point at SKG and say that gamers internationally really want the EU involved in protecting and improving the gaming industry. The next thing they legislate won't be nice. It will be bad. And you will be partially to blame.

>>715977418
>Nope. I told you how improve or address this situation without begging for fedkikes to get involved.
And your solution was mocked would be so laughably ineffective that it's the exact kind of thing a corporate plant would suggest.
>You're literally an infantilized moron who simply wants to cry to Fedaddy to.sokve his pwobwems
And your like never solve anything. You (knowingly) shit out impractical, idealistic nonsense while shouting down practical solutions because you outright don't care about the outcome as long as it doesn't involve government intervention.

>>715977704
>triggered retard spergs out because history is deeper than propaganda
lol

>>715977065
>you recognize the government does harm? You must LOOOVE the corporations!
Weirdest trolling I've ever seen. At this point you're the one feeding me, pal.
I believe that if the ineffective government wants to pride itself on leashing the corporations from taking advantage of the common man that they should reign in their abilities to destroy the art and culture of games, particularly the ones sold to individuals as fully functioning games, from the corporations and make these products consumer friendly.
The corporations have many tools at their disposal for shifting the bar of standards away from the hands of the unorganized individual consumers so they can milk revenue more and more while delivering less. Using standards of commerce that have already been in effect and needed a glossary update to map onto new technologies is not at odds with the freedoms of commerce. You're not allowed to sell me a refrigerator magnet and then flip a switch in your office that disables its electromagnetic field because my time is up. Even Locke himself would advocate for legislation against this shite.

>>715963153 (OP)
we own nothing already
All that water and electricity?
not yours

>>715977901
>NOOOOOOO DONT HURT THE CORPO!
>LEAVE CORPO ALONE BECAUSE GOVERMENT ALSO BAD!

i find it extremely weird that as soon as the initiative reached its goals suddenly an army of corpo shills appeared
it really makes you think

>>715977879
No, it was a valid suggestion and if it received the same level of support as SKG has had, it would've had a shot at success.

You guys just squandered an irreplaceable supply of social and political engagement on begging for kikes to fuck you in the ass.

>guys, stop asking for rights because... things will get worse!
This fucking guy.
Actual honest to god venom.

>>715977639
Not at all. I support SKGs, but
>Lolbertarians are hilarious. You're treating government like it's a biblical devil, a vampire or some cosmic entity, bound by magical rules you've identified that prohibit it from acting on it's own, so you can feel forever smug for refusing it's temptations as your rights are taken away from you.
Is the strawman of the libertarian stance what I'm responding to.

>>715978039
>as soon as the initiative reached its goals suddenly an army of corpo shills appeared
They didn't though. They have been spamming every skg thread for year.

Why would Libertarians defend or be against SKG? They don't believe in intellectual property in the first place.

>>715978039
They know they can't stop it from reaching the eu parliament but they are trying to win the PR battle. If the public attention turns away from this or even against it, the rest of the process will be completely forgotten or actively undermined.

>>715974612
I can't help it!!!
Imagining some angry frustrated anon taking his stress out on me with rape is hot...

>>715977146
Libertarians are like house cats, they’re convinced of their fierce independence while dependent on a system they don’t appreciate or understand.”

>>715978496
Nonsense. We simply see the evil it wreaks and want to limit that potential. Most libertarians believe in some level of government but only as a mediator who defends their natural rights.

>>715963381
I can't wait for the day where games are only available through subscription like adobe software!
>$69.99 per month! for individual use
>$199.99 per month for content creators! who profit off video games

>>715972961
Yes, but copyright law is also unconstitutional, so there's that.
>To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
None of this holds true for current copyright or patent law.
>Not used to promote the progress of science and useful arts
>Not bounded by "limited time"
>Rights are often removed from or sold by the author or inventor

>>715978730
People are already tired of paying for 3 different streaming services. Publishers will shoot themselves in the foot if they believe people will pay subs for each of their games.

>>715963291
internet flanderization, Friedman and Mises would be called fucking commies based on the current meme interpretation of libertarian ideology

>>715963291
Your leftists ass is cringe.

Begone snoy

>>715963381
Your business model is a bunch of kike sophisms to circumvent the rules and enable it to be unfair and abusive, so we're changing the rules in a way you cant weasel your way out of your contractual obligations and rugpull a product at your own convenience. If you want to release a game that depends on any kind of service you have to support yourself, you'll have to plan and budget for a way so it is still playable when you want to pull out. It doesnt matter if you like it or not, this is your obligation now.
Is it unfair that you have to spend extra on releasing that service? Yes. Is it more unfair for the customer to be denied the product he paid for? Also yes. Why do you have t odo this even if there's literally 0 players online in the last week? Because everyone that bought a copy has the right to remember the game and play for 30 minutes 5 years later after you shut down support, it doesnt matter if you like it or not, this is law and your duty now, kike.
Customer rights

>>715972393
1. the government reaching into things they shouldnt, setting the precedent for that is never a good thing. it never ends well.
remember back in 2005, when gays were still shunned? the government took an inch with legalizing gay marriage and now we've got faggots reading stories to your children and trannies in the women's bathroom with your little girl.
2. consumers need to deal with the consequences of their actions, otherwise they'll never learn to avoid scams.
in this case, the consequence of the GAAS scam is being removed so normalniggers will never figure out that they've been playing shitty games this whole time and paying ridiculous amounts of money for it.

>>715967774
Property is theft

>>715978453
balding man said this

anti-skgers just can't go a single post without talking about gays and trannies, pretty sad to be desu

>>715979163
And next week there will be a kike saying similar things but with an evil thesis l

>diversity is our strength so everybody who buys every game had a right to feel seen and empowered by it
>Every game must now abide by diversity quotas or be seen as a hate crime

>>715979232
nah

>>715979215
"we should just let scammers go free otherwise people won't learn to not be scammed" is a hilarious stance. we should let theft happen otherwise people won't learn to protect their property. we should let murderers go unpunished too, why not?

>>715979232
Breathing and blinking is theft.

>>715979389
What a shame, if only gays weren't willing trojanhorses for all the fucked up bullshit being forced on me now.

>oh it's only cosenting adults wanting to marry!
>ten years pass
>Vaginas are bonus holes and gays are genital preferenced bigots
>You get your child taken away from you if you disagree with at they're trans


The gaming version of this will happen too.

>>715979409
>But what if-
You're not fooling anyone, kike

Actual pilpul now. They really are afraid.

>>715979662
This is how governments work anon. You give an inch and they take a lightyear

>>715972859
>you pay for a week at the hotel room
Except here, you're not paying for a specified amount of time so your analogy dies in its first four words

>>715970906
Why are there leftoids attacking skg?

>>715979465
not even remotely close to what i said.
you'll never be able to stop scammers, but this doesnt mean you should protect the consumer from the consequences of being scammed.
imagine if the government had a program to pay old people back their money when they accidentally give their info to a jeet.
those geriatric old fucks would bankrupt our country within a week, they'd never learn to avoid the scams because they can just press the "SAVE ME GOVERNMENT!!!" button and get what they lost back in less than a day.

I hate encouraging mental illness (trannies and faggots), the welfare state, or anti-white laws. I also hate corporations and banks and don't believe they should be considered people and they shouldn't be allowed to own land and should be taxed as high as possible. I believe the government should be as small as possible, but do its job to provide essential services, such as infrastructure and healthcare, instead of funding wars overseas. I believe the free market doesn't exist because corporations can't be trusted. I also need the right to shoot any nigger that threatens me and my family. What political party is this?

>>715979951
>imagine if the government had a program to pay old people back their money when they accidentally give their info to a jeet.
yes, this is called "finding the scammer and forcing them to pay" which is in fact standard procedure in scams. often they'll have spent it, which means you'll often not get your stuff back, but if someone steals money from you, the government does force them to hand it back. you're retarded

>>715980370
Minarchist Libertarian.

>>715980370
>fencesitting centrist
Might as well be a commie, lol.

>>715980384
Forcing them to hand it back isn't what he outlined you dishonest nigger. He outlined a government program where they ALWAYS make you whole.

>>715980487
Well, then that's not SKG lol
SKG is simply forcing the devs to give you back your game, which they sold to you and have no right to take, by making it work. Like it should. If I sell a refrigerator and shut it down remotely while it still works I'll be sued for it.

>>715980424
That's not centrist at all. He outlined minarchism

>minimal governments with a mandate pretty much just pave roads and lock up murderers
He's a "lolbert"

>>715979378

>>715963381
>companies should be allowed to revoke a license you paid for at any time
Cuck.

>>715971182
>PMCs are always 100% reliable and trustworthy and ABSOLUTELY will not turn on you if it gets them more money

>>715980714
I was being sarcastic because anyone who isn't full left or full right often gets called centrists and fencesitters around here.

>>715963381
Fortnite, GTA Online and especially Roblox should die.

>>715980370
Some sort of retard utopia coalition. Why would anyone incorporate in your land and how are you going to defend your home without being able to leverage military operations abroad are you going to call them niggers and start blasting?

>>715963309
The joke is that the author doesn't know literally anything about libertarianism.

>>715980370
You're the last man on Earth with nuance. Also known as based.

>>715980996
He didn't say "no wars" you fuckjng midwit retard. He said not taxing him to fight wars that dont affect him.

>overseas
Not
>all wars always
You worthless nigger

>>715963381
EULA's should be illegal.

>>715981197
>just don't affect me personally
Are you fucking retarded? That's not feasible.

>>715965747
someone told him laws should obligate you feed your child

>>715980685
Yes but you're doing it by inviting the most evil organization in the world to intervene. It's not a good.plan.

>>715980996
Imagine being a retard that cannot conceive of having a military that doesn't fuck with other countries constantly for no reason. That's you. You're the retard.

>>715981432
>for no reason
There's always a reason you actual fucking troglodyte.

>>715981471
more resources and power? that's not a reason you nigger

>>715965204
i wish conservacucks understood that the extreme of both sides are bad, yes we shouldn't let the government control anything so corporates can own slaves again and i can shoot you dumb ass without going to prison. Hands free government after all is so good right!

>>715981432
Gotta love that naive worldview. So refreshing.

>>715981432
I understand what you're saying, but the concept of destabilizing other countries and having alphabet agencies murder people is functionally evil

>>715981301
A great number of countries only have a military capable of self defense.

>>715981301
It's 100% feasible. Country X shouldn't fund wars where Country X's citizens or territories aren't threatened.

Otherwise you end up with shit like Ukraine where a country and it's populace is ground into dust because it's being propped up as a proxy and prolonging and exasperating the conflict and death tolls.

>>715963153 (OP)
The libertarian would not be on that side because the libertarian would believe in open source.

>>715981537
Literally is, you dumb fuck. If you don't assert yourself other forces will come and take your shit and put a bullet in your head. That's how the world works.
>>715981592
Do they matter internationally?
>>715981602
So just sit at home and wait for life to happen? That's you manifest destiny? Okay, good luck with that shit.
All of you niggers should open up victoria 3 and play the tutorial and just play out your utopia scenario and see how that goes for you.

>>715963153 (OP)
>>715963381
Lol pretty much this im not saying it's right but that how it is especially going by their eula that people don't read the fact of the matter the only true ownership comes from piracy

>>715981583
Nothing naive about it. We gave trillions to Ukrainian kleptocrats and the war is still going to end without the toppling of Putin's Russia. Don't even start on financing Israel's ethnic cleansing.

>>715981798
My licenses for games I bought 20 years ago still work though.

>>715981769
>That's you manifest destiny?
What a fucking disgusting warmongering shitstain

>>715981959
Fuck off you piss stained pussy. Either shit or get off the pot.

>>715982004
Murderous monster. Literal embodiment of suffering and loss.

>>715980685
thats not whats happening.
GAAS itself is the scam, EoS is the consequence.
removing the consequence = consumer never learns

>>715981769
>If you don't assert yourself other forces will come and take your shit and put a bullet in your head.
So it's okay to bully lesser countries to faggot indoctrination? shut the fuck up faggot

>>715981584
>the concept of destabilizing other countries and having alphabet agencies murder people is functionally evil
Yes, it is, which is why militaries should only exist to defend a country under the same principle as a nuclear arsenal, not make the country profitable by making everything else worse. How does a taxpayer benefit from funding Ukraine for example? Israel? They don't, but they don't seem to have a say in how that money is being spent. Imagine having a government that is gleefully impoverishing you to prop up other countries. For example, Israel can afford public healthcare because the American taxpayer fronts the cost for their defense, same goes for the entirety of Europe thanks to NATO. Other people are living better at the American taxpayer's expense. Why is that allowed? Why is it being defended? Doesn't seem right to me, and I'm not even an American.

>>715981769
>. If you don't assert yourself other forces will come and take your shit and put a bullet in your head
Funding overseas wars isn't asserting yourself. It's mass murder.

>>715982048
Suffering is loss is what happens to everyone. Except if you nut up and push in a direction you might end up with something at the end of the day instead of just a cock in your ass.
>>715982121
No, just sit at home and cry about how unfair life is.

>>715981769
>just play out your utopia scenario and see how that goes for you
Liberals really don't comprehend that their country would be invaded if the US didn't serve as the peacekeepers of the world. China would have already razed all of Africa and Taiwan if they let it, India would have nuked itself, and South America would be nuking itself if it wasn't reduced to a constant shithole. The only mistake is allowing Israel to keep attacking other middle eastern countries, but those countries would be invading too. White people are the only ones capable of maintaining a civilization

>>715963153 (OP)
>>715963291
>>715963309

libertarians oppose copyright laws. you are all proejcting low iq retards

>>715982163
No. You should keep and preserve what's yours. You're the most evil person I have spoken to on 4chan in years

>>715982128
If you can't see the vision beyond your own existence just say so.
>>715982190
True, but it's also a lot of no new wars republicans.
>>715982290
Preserve how you stupid cunt? And feel free to shove your moralizing up your ass. I don't give a fuck what you think about me.

>>715971160
problem is if you go to public school, more than likely you develop statist or leftist ideas. the prussian education model is poison to spirit

>>715974647
>no, you are more likely not welcomed for being a faggot about it.
Well if you think saying
>It's fucking retarded that lobby group blocked expansion of public transit service to my dad's town
Is "being faggot about it", as some rightoids threw a fucking hissyfit over it, then kk. I just despise that as my dad can't drive a car and his legs and back ain't the best after an accident. Would be cool to have regular bus lines at his town but I guess that's commieniggery too.
Kys nigger

>>715963153 (OP)
you didn't buy the game, you signed a contract that said the publisher is allowed to come to your house and fuck you raw whenever they please

>>715982359
With war. When they violate the NAP. Not before. War is only righteous when it's defensive and local. Blowing up Afghanistan because the CIA wants they poppy fields wasn't defensive or local.

>>715982190
China would have collapsed into feudal anarchy if American corporations had stopped shipping manufacturing jobs over there for even half of a femtosecond.

>>715963153 (OP)
you shouldn't own the games you buy because piracy isn't stealing

>>715979882
they're not left they're corpo neolibs

>>715978453
hot

>>715982527
It's strategic on an international scale. You're playing very small on a very large stage do you understand that? If you want to turtle up and try to hold on to what you have by pussyfooting be my guest. You will lose, but at least you'll feel righteous doing it.

>>715982201
Feel free to analyze some of the anti-skg posts itt and give us a more appropriate name for their ideology.

>>715973304
you sound like you fellate your manager

>>715967774
That’s exactly why I support SKG and support abolishing copyright laws.

>>715982680
Nice try kike, your pilpul doesn't work on me.

>>715963291
To be honest people that identify as "libertarian" are as read on their theory as people that identify as "anarchists". That's why they are mocked as "conservatives who like weed". They just like the label.

>>715982783
Whatever the fuck that means.

>>715980370
You hate the welfare state yet you basically described a welfare state. You want small government but you also want the government to regulate a shit ton of things. You basically just want contradiction.

>>715979820
>BUT WHAT IIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFF
Not a word

>>715982680
America in particular is a natural fortress with every resource it needs available within its borders, and possesses a nuclear arsenal large enough that no state military is crazy enough to contemplate attacking it. Military adventurism is purely because influencing the rest of the world is an ideological project, not because it's in any way necessary.

>>715973304
*except when mega corporations use the government to take down fangames, piracy, and using taxpayer money to fund their game.
**and also corporate bailouts too. Can’t forget that free market means my company can use tax money (stolen money) in order to get ourselves out of debit.

>>715965204
How much curry do you think this poster ate before making this post and did he use any utensils to eat it?

We'll be hitting 140% signatures soon.

>>715978039
The anti-SKG shills have been at it since the initiative started.

>>715982906
Sure, I don't necessarily disagree with you here. If Americans are done with international power, let it all go to shit and turtle up behind your ocean barriers. Start a new project and try to consolidate Americas into an empire or just close off from everything and become a hermit kingdom. However, when an outside power Chinese or otherwise comes crashing through don't come crying to me is all I ask.

>>715983076
>130% are botted and invalid

>>715982864
The welfare state is the government letting people on EBT walk around with Hellcats, Jordans, hair extensions, and designer bags. Illegals are also allowed to get EBT and section 8 housing in my state. I want the government to maintain the roads and pay for healthcare. There's a big difference.

>>715983161
You do understand that all those hair extensions and designer bags and hell cats are preventing a very angry internal chimpout, right?

>>715983116
The Chinese only have power because America gave it to them and continues to maintain it by shipping nearly all its manufacturing needs to it. Take that away and there's suddenly no way for a large portion of its population to make a living.

>>715973456
Can you please describe the negative consequences of the state outlawing molesting people’s pets?

>>715983302
If Americans pull out there will be a power vacuum that will need to be filled. Someone is going to fill it.

>>715983116
I don't think that guy is arguing in favor of isolationism. The US can still participate with the rest of the world, but Israel is just a proxy for constant wars with the middle east in the same way that Ukraine currently only exists as a US proxy to Russia. Has no one considered the possibility that we don't need to be actively attacking other countries all the time to interact with them. Just fucking declare war and attack them instead of just sending millions of men into the meat grinder just for the enrichment of Boeing and politicians

>>715983161
Yeah but you still don't believe in a small state.

>>715983356
Yeah, regional powers, but what does that really matter to the American taxpayer? Holding onto the world is how empires fall apart and die, retraction before that happens is how it can survive.

>>715983261
I'm for culling the herd that is causing the problem

>>715983540
Fuck yeah, let's blast the banker class right in their stupid fat cunt mouth. Let's ride brother.

>>715983464
What exactly is your definition of a small state?

1,400,000 signatures!

>>715971496
this so much this. big farma should be allowed to put mercury in vaccines. fucking commies carrying about other people

its ogre..........we lost......

>>715983445
Proxy wars are 1000 percent more preferable than sending the kids of your support base into hell. The way US conducted itself before orange man was as close as you can get to optimal strategy.

>>715983313
You're bad faith. Raping my dog is a clear violation of my property rights and should be handled by the government in the form of criminal legal consequences.

You can get your EoL protections without begging for federally mandated pegging sessions.

>>715983673
I absolutely agree with you. A debt based economy has proven to be an absolute failure and is unsustainable from the top down. Banks and corporations are not people and should not have the rights of people. They also shouldn't be allowed to own land. Then you put term limits on politicians. After that, just wipe out the street apes and criminals and you now have a functional society again. Obviously it's a pipe dream, but everyone wants to talk about improving society, but no one wants to talk about what has to be done.

>>715983846
>DADDY GUBAMINT SAVE ME MY PUPPER GOT HIS FEEFEES HURT I'M SHIDDING MYSELF IN A PANIC ATTACK AND CANT' DO ANYTHING MYSELF

>>715983763
Literally just the basics. Justice system, public security and secures private property.

>>715983116
unlike the us and uk, china is not currently blockading, starving and robbing my home country

>>715984220
So just shit the land owner needs to keep his shit and not worry about consequences for paying peanuts for work. What a coincidence.
>>715984257
You should look into how they treat people who aren't Han Chinese within the sphere of their own influence.

>>715984378
>You should look into how they treat people who aren't Han Chinese within the sphere of their own influence.
i have literally been to Nepal. it is just fine.

>>715983846
>You can get your EoL protections without begging for federally mandated pegging sessions.
Yeah, you have a better solution? Let's see it then.

>>715984218
The US trucking industry (and their auto industry in general) did exactly that.

>>715984007
The commie route is fucked as well I am afraid. The reality is there will always be elites. Where my thinking departs from the norm is the idea tat elites should serve the people rather than everyone else kissing the feet of the people who hold all the resources. If we can find a way to turn that thinking around I think we'll have a shot at something functional and prosperous.

>>715984378
>You should look into how they treat people who aren't Han Chinese within the sphere of their own influence.
Definitely better then the US treats everyone who dares to not utterly capitulate and kneel before it! The idea that China is in any way remotely comparable to the US can only be held if you genuinely believe iraqis are not human

>>715984462
Really? Go to China and do some Falun Gong. If it's just fine.

>>715984636
And latin americans, and koreans, and vietnamese.

>>715984218
It's not about what I can or can't do. said prefer a society where I dont need to raise a posse and murder fuckers any time they cross me. That's too chaotic. Law is good. It should.just be overseen by the smallest possible government

>>715963153 (OP)
Why are libertarians OK with the browning of America?

>>715984636
Okay, good luck with that shit. Ask the Africans how their Chinese overlords are treating them. Probably so much better than Iragis and Latin Americans and Koreans and Vietnamese combined. I bet it feels like one giant hug.

>>715984648
go and try to overthrow the US government and see if you'll be treated any better

>>715984863
Trump did January 6th and he's the president. I feel in you spirit, you just don't have the cards.

>>715984813
>Ask the Africans how their Chinese overlords are treating them
yeah they seem pretty happy with all the new railways and hospitals and cities and the massive investments

>>715984378
>>715984007
You are unironically NatSoc

>>715963291
the core disconnect between libertarians and everyone else is that libertarians believe current corporate hegemony is a result of government regulations
remove the regulations and you remove monopolies

>>715984478
I told you: Create a consumer advocacy group and pressure the industry. With all the energy and attention people have given to SKG, they could've equally formed a group for gaming consumer protection and pressured corpos into compliance with collective action plans like boycotts, review bombing and harassment. These same tactics regularly cow corpos. We should've done it again but with a centralized voice. We xould've ended up with an ESRB-esque self-regulation where games are forced to adopt certain content and publishing strategies without inviting Government bulkshit. All we had to do was refuse to buy Battlefield 6 and whatever else if it didn't present a solid EoL plan.

>>715984802
>Bigger supply of labor, lower wages
>Higher demand for housing, higher housing prices
>More people more aggregate demand, higher consumption
Half of them just worship gdp, the rest are just mentally ill.

>So Piratesoftware gives the argument against the movement
Ross gives his counterargument and he is not impressed continues to boycott it
>Other retarded devs give the same fucking argument
Ross doesn't change anything in his argument, gives the same take
>Now lawyers whose job is to get sleazy devs out of bad situations give the same argument
Ross doesn't change anything in his argument
>The corporation CEO is asked by investors about this issue and he gives the same explanation
Am i the only one who can see how moronic this is? Why doesn't Ross and his team address this, the fact that they are handwaving his arguments does not mean "lol they are afraid of losing" it means that they are not shaken by this argument so you need to find a new angle to attack this from. Are people here children? I am seriously not baiting but we need to address this otherwise the next time, in front of the whole shebang, the movement will become a laughing stock

>>715983846
And shutting down game servers is a clear violation of my game owning rights.
And you were yappin about the le state being le scary and making things worse.

>>715984802
A libertarian society would be hundreds of thousands of small closed off communities. It would be very ethnically homogeneous.

>>715984948
lol, lmao. Yeah that's what I saw too. Just happiness all around and not at all predatory debt slavery and physical abuse. Please go ahead and noose.
>>715985007
No. I want three things
>rule of law
>individual liberty protections
>laissez-faire economics
I'd call that classic liberalism. Unfortunately for me and everyone else ideological conflicts are international and if I want to have influence on that stage people who oppose me with threats of physical violence are getting shot.

>>715985074
ESRB literally formed only as a result of the industry itself supporting it. Consumer rights advocacy groups have never fucking accomplished a thing outside the law

>>715985290
Yeah but games are just gay toys and dogs are beloved companions. You chose a terrible example.

>>715985250
There is nothing for Ross to do. He has the winning argument.

>>715985297
>and not at all predatory debt slavery and physical abuse
you mean like Ukraine, who has been forced to sign off to all its industry and now mineral wealth? or like Iraq, invaded on false premises, half a million murdered? or Cuba, armed commandos set on the beaches?

>>715985074
Pretty sure I already replied to your retarded ass earlier.
>>715975358
since it's the exact same ideas, I'm gonna assume you are the same person and ignored it when you got your ass spanked earlier.

>>715985368
Its a shitty argument because it did not change anything in the way the other side addresses itself. You are living in an echo chamber. If the other side of the argument changes nothing in how they address your argument and they ARE the status quo that means that no matter how many times you screech the same thing, nothing will change.

>>715985074
ESRB was formed as a result of Senate hearings

>>715985074
>These same tactics regularly cow corpos
the corporations write the laws you dumb nigger
any successful "consumer advocacy" groups also had the support of corporations trying to fuck over their competitors

>>715985487
Yeah, like them. You argument cannot possibly be monsters of yesteryear did it so it's okay for me to do it as well.

>>715985316
So? We can force omthis on them if we wanted. Instead you've made a gay legal battle when we could've literally just coerced all these companies into voluntarily appeasing us. They're all on the backfoot these days. The recent failures of so many big budget games has made them uncertain and vulnerable.

The fact is the ask is small and not very costly. Ut now they're gonna go full lobbyist instead of just eating shit and getting bullied by the people they rely on lost.

>>715985250
>>715985526
Because their counterarguments were based on a misrepresentation of the original argument. Why would you change your argument to counter intentional lies that are trying to craft a false narrative? Engaging with it as though it were valid instead of calmly pointing out how false it is would be exactly what they want. You're not going to outwit professional scumbags if you play their game.

>>715985531
As a move to make sure the Feds stay the fuck out. The ratings systems are an attempt to show they can be trusted to run their own shit.

>>715985538
>any successful "consumer advocacy" groups also had the support of corporations trying to fuck over their competitors
Great so all we needed to do was convince a couple corpos that being seen as based and pro-consumer will be profitable and even moreso if they can drag their competitors through the mud.

>>715985295
Why would they need to be closed off? Closed off from what?

>>715985526
There is nothing to address. They have the opposing ideology. They want to keep killing games, that is the core of their belief and their business strategy. We are not at the same side. That will always be their stance.
Ross has the role of convincing the undecided people of the his side of the argument and he did a good job at that, he got the signatures.
The EU will be the arbiter of what happens next.

>>715963381
>m-m-muh license!
Not an excuse.

>b-b-but!
Not an excuse. Nothing you say will change my rights.

>>715985930
For anyone who doesn't practice incest, obviously.

>>715985592
Retarded fairyland thinking. There is 0 reason for corpos to listen to customer demands, especially if it's to make less profits. Even ubishart who was over a billion bucks in debt didn't come begging for the consumers opinions on how to correct course and what they want, they asked tencent to bail them out.

>>715985743
You realize that what you are saying is to tell them "well no you're wrong" to the people who have set the stage so far which would not only make them laugh at you but you are also implying that the other people in the room who take the decision are stupid for letting them get away with it for all this time.
>Whats your argument?
>Well the other side is wrong and they are lying, also you are stupid for actually letting this happen
What do you think will happen next?

>>715985845
>all we need to do is further entrench corporate hegemony
kill yourself

>>715986007
Not killing games reduces profits in no way whatsoever and being seen as pro-consumer [steam, CDPR before 2077] can be a hugely profitable image to have

>>715985930
From people that don't believe in private property and morals?

>>715982201
>libertarians oppose copyright laws
The only "Libertarians" in any position to influence Government do not oppose copyright law

>>715986065
Governments are even worse and often simply follow corpo marching orders you naive bootlicking retard.

>>715963291
I don't know, their ideology should find intellectual property rights an abhorrent idea, yet for some reason they are almost all corporate bootlickers that like them being enabled by the government.

>>715985930
Closed off from the people who aren't paying for your private fire department coverage

>>715986165
>corporations should not exist and should not have any power in government
>b-bootlicker!
what?

>>715986026
>What do you think will happen next?
What actually happened. Breakdowns of their arguments are shown, attempts for a live discourse are refused since that would make it difficult to control the narrative, and the public is shown that the opposition is either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous. Now Ross is at the height of public approval while his opposition look like greedy slumlords.

>>715963153 (OP)
don't buy live service games? solves the problem, right? or do you need the government to tell you what to do?

>>715975649
Hard not to cringe

>>715985074
>>715985592
This is practically the equivalent of "hopes and prayers."

>>715986508
Just some transparency will be more than enough. Put in big bright red letters on the first page of ToS * YOU ARE RENTING A SERVICE UNTIL WHENEVER I DECIDE TO TURN THIS SHIT OFF LMAO* and we're good.

>>715986026
The new bargaining strategy is cute and all, but the EU is predisposed to deal with consumer rights cases in a certain way.
That's what has you parasites rattled. And this situation is so straightforward that everyone intuitively understands what needs to be done. You know what's coming.

>>715986648
No, it's not. Corporations in the gaming industry are regularly coerced by decentralized grassroots campaigns that use those tactics. Having a centralized organization to lead and maneuver the movement would be it more effective and get us what we want without inviting kikes in.

>>715986265
>yfw

>>715972665
>If it said I could steal from you, you wouldn't pay
It's still stealing.The pretenses aren't the important part because intent is 9/10ths of the law

>>715986798
>Corporations in the gaming industry are regularly coerced by decentralized grassroots campaigns that use those tactics
I bet you think most revolutions are nonviolent too

>>715986078
Nigger, please.
Of course it lowers profits if they can't kill a game at their convenience to sell you the sequel shortly after and especially for games with any form of microtransactions. After all a customer still playing a game that isn't being developed anymore is a customer that doesn't get swept into bying the new shiny in the sequel.
And the appearance of pro consumerism is an option but it's only profitable if you took a massive hit on the bank account. EA has always been scumbag anticonsumers and it always was one of the more profitable publisher ever, with plenty of scum sucking anticonsumer practices owed to them.

>>715963381
>license
once upon a time that was a clarification that you werent purchasing the copyright and couldn't reproduce it
now it's an excuse for publishers to drop support at any time and even remove the game from your library

Can someone from the industry shill retard brigade fill us in on how lying about it being a purchase makes it any better? We aren't low-IQ enough to understand how lying to customers is actually le good because that makes them pay money to be stolen from.

>>715986901
>I bet you think most revolutions are nonviolent too
Nope. They're extremely bloody because they're meant to set examples and force the elite to cooperate out of sense of fear and self-preservation.

>>715972740
> The government already enacts a whole bunch of laws that protect consumers
And there should be more that address to new space of the internet, where companies have found new ways to skirt existing consumer protection law.

gg
no need to reply, I have accepted your concession

>Total Count: 1,400,272
NICE!

>>715987112
is anyone actually arguing against stop killing games in this thread? seems like it's just people saying regulations are a bandaid fix on an inherently broken system

>400+ post thread of people arguing about whether or not you should be able to own the games you buy
>despite consumers owning their games for 40+ years with no problems before corpos got greedy in the last decade
How is this even a debate? SKG is an obvious yes for anyone that is not corpo executive (99% of the world)

>>715987336
We don't live in the age of honest discourse and I think you know that. You have to fight with tooth and claw to even reach the place you think should be a given.

>>715963291
Because they unironically believe people should get shit for free without working for it.
It's silly and stupid to expect companies to mantain games alive when NO ONE is playing them/paying for them

>>715987336
>How is this even a debate?
It's not. It never was. It's a 90-10 issue, with the 10 being the big publishers and the people hanging from their tit.

>>715972962
There in lies the problem with lolitarianism. Without a government, the rich would fill the vacuum and create their own oligarchical government.

>>715986738
I understand what has to happen, what i am saying is that you will get to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by thinking that we are going to win with the arguments that have scared them so much that they are using the same argument over and over again. Read this and think deep about the reasoning behind what they are doing. A rattled man tries different things to get out of the situation they are in. This is not it and you are lying to yourself when the signs are right in front of you

>>715987336
it's a debate because small wins like this exist just to let normalfag cattle pretend reality makes sense
corporations and intellectual "property" should not exist

>>715987249
there's a bunch of shills that like to call somebody a commie everytime somebody refutes their pro corpo bullshit in these threads
>If you kill live sevice you'll reduce profits and developments the corporation makes with the insanely anti consumer microtransactions they put on already paid products

>>715987572
>intellectual "property" should not exist
Ni Hao.

>>715971505
Isn't that just the TF2 comic plot?

>>715963381
It doesn’t cost 60 dollar to rent a book and if you are just renting it there shouldn’t even be paid DLC at that point. Why are you buying a permanent add on for something that will just go away at a non specified point? It should be free at that point when you buy the “rental voucher” so then you are paying like 80.00 to rent something. That’s retarded. There is no value there. a car serves a completely different function and is at least useful because you rent the car to go to your fucking job or to do something. so you can at least justify the cost. If they want you to “rent” the game then they may as well make it half the price of a full game. No one complained when you bought a really good single player game you kept for 60.00 or if you bought DLC for it that you kept. there is no way to defend the concept of a 60.00+ tip rental for a game which isn’t even tangible. Shit maybe the industry will move back to making actual good single player games and letting you keep them. Online only games or games which are heavily skewed to an online segment should not be 60.00. if you are going to do that just make it like WoW where you pay a small fee per month like 10.00. then players can choose to ignore it or they can “rent it” that way until they get bored. And the DLC comes with the “rental” free.

>>715986798
I don't misunderstand that you're firmly anti-government (or are at least pretending to be). You can easily pitch your questionable ideas with nothing more than a promise and a pocket full of dreams because whether or not they are viable or even the fate of consumer rights in general isn't a major concern for you. In your mind, SKG working through legislation and attaining everything it aims for is a vastly worse conclusion than it failing to achieve anything at all.

>>715987637
china has intellectual "property" laws
they just ignore western ones because they know no one is going to do shit

>>715987481
Hey, retard maybe account for that in the price of your product.

>>715965126
*rapes you several times without any lube*

>>715987249
I am. I don't want the EU involved and find the entire thing to be a big bootlicking cringefest.

>>715987734
>ignore
That's an odd way to spell actively and aggressively in pursuit of.extracting anything of value.

>>715987553
>Read this and think deep about the reasoning behind what they are doing
I am. The reasoning is simple, it's propaganda 101, ie repetition.
But it doesn't matter in this case. Their side of the argument is weak. They are going to get curb stomped.

>>715987679
>In your mind, SKG working through legislation and attaining everything it aims for is a vastly worse conclusion than it failing to achieve anything at all.
Correct because the road to hell is paved with good intentions. SKG might be a win and a good thing, the next thing won't be and that will be because you chose to lick boots to get your goals met.

>>715972314
>uh yes i want to own the hotel room i rented, what you mean i can't do that??!
Funnily enough
https://apnews.com/article/new-yorker-hotel-fraud-free-room-loophole-6505cb6df084002401aab9f6eaecf452

>>715987860
>anti-corporate movement is the real bootlickers actually
you sound like a retard so you don't count

>>715987952
I would agree with you but there is one thing that changes stuff and that is that their weak argument IS the status quo

>>715987481
I work 8/9 hours daily
i get my weekly paid
I paid $70 for a game
said paid game got loads and loads of microntransactions
said game dies and is delisted
there goes my hard earned $70
damn i guess i have to pirate and never buy again

if buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing you fucking faggot

>>715988027
The Government has the biggest boot retard.

>715988121
no one tell this guy who tells the government what to do it's funnier to see him look like a retard

>>715963291
lolbertarians are frauds who should be taken as seriously as the sovereign citizen movement

>>715988201
That doesn't make a functional difference anon. The government is the king of boots. You're a bootlicker.

>>715986679
thats what live service means, though?

>>715988295
>you don't want corpos take away your games and make anti consumer practices?? aiiiieee you're a bootlicker!!
you're the biggest bootlicker itt

>>715963291
its easier for them to imagine that the people with power have their best interest and that the world can work according to their ideals
they're as bad as communists

>>715988378
>you don't want corpos take away your games and make anti consumer practices?? aiiiieee you're a bootlicker!!
Not what I said. I said approaching the solution with a bootlicker strat is retarded faggotry.

>>715988295
I'm an anarchist, I don't know who the hell you think you're arguing with
multinational corporations run the world, if you're against the government limiting corporations you are a bootlicker

>identify as libertarian because republicans are retarded and dems take too much money for poors
>don't really engage with politics but tell people i'm lib when they ask
>start watching lib rallies and speakers
>they're all mouth breathing rednecks and hicks who yell about how they're going to shoot people who have drivers licenses but are actually just republicans in disguise
are there any political parties in america that haven't been coop'd by retards

>>715988347
Sure, just communicate that in big bright letters on first page of ToS please. As long as our double digit iq special interest group is protected from abuse of big words we're all good.

>>715988049
>IS the status quo
The legality of what they are doing is untested, because the concept is novel.
The majority of video games are still single player and their perpetual licenses are actually perpetual.
So if anything, the opposite is the status quo.

>>715988378
There's no such thing as an anti-consumer practice. If something was truly anti-consumer, it would not sell and the market would correct for it. All of these so-called "killing games" problems are what is actually optimal for the market.

>>715985564
China has literally never done anything on the level of the US. To say otherwise is folly. The US not only has their own Taiwan but has already tortured it more then China could ever dare to.

>>715987336
You always owned physical copies due to first sale doctrine but it never covered the ability to play the game. We just couldn't enforce always online until the last 15 years or so without compromising sales.

>>715988450
>if you're against the government limiting corporations you are a bootlicker
This isn't the place for the government because they WILL overstep. This is the place for collecitvist consumer activity. Not licking boots that will stomp your throat for the fun of it.
>I'm an anarchist,
Doubtful.

>>715977715
>Bent the knee to the guy who runs the government like a business
Really makes you think

>>715988480
No because the only people who engage that much with politics are retards. Lolberts are just worse off than average since not only is it made up entirely of retards, but it is also irrelevant outside of internet debates.

>>715988624
>corporations running the world is fine actually because the government might go too far limiting them
kill yourself

>>715988731
It's either the government or corpos and I'll take the latter any day of the week

>>715987954
Indeed. And that's why most will never see eye to eye with your group. Most people actually want things to happen, not to merely talk and hope about things potentially maybe happening sometime in the near or far-flung future. You'll always struggle to get traction when your ultimate viewpoint is that how things are achieved and who achieves them is more important than the achievement and that who is harming you is more important than the actual harm.
You'll always be a roadbump who has a novel worth of things to say, becomes distant on the occasion where you actually managed to snakeoil people into listening to you instead of merely being a disturbance, and are mysteriously absent when the thing fails.

>>715988731
Whenever governments go too far, millions of people die. When have corporations caused any real harm by being unchecked? Some shitty game no one cared about being taken offline?

>>715988731
I'm not telling you to accept corpo abuse. I'm telling you to avoid licking a bigger boot just to get over on a smaller one. You could become your own boot if you weren't such an infantilized fucking statist retard.

>>715988437
how the fuck is putting the goverment to do something for once is bootlicking you faggot?
>>715988513
>there's no such thing as an anti consumer practice. if something was truly anti-consumer, it would not sell and the market would correct for it
ah yes, as if the corporations don't have the power to change what's okay to sell and what not

>>715988885
>When have corporations caused any real harm by being unchecked

>>715988885
>When have corporations caused any real harm by being unchecked?
Read about East India Company.

>>715988546
That's both delusional and retarded.
>Falun Gong organ extraction
>Tiananmen square
>The great leap forward
>The on going genociding of Uyghurs
>COVID 19 lockdowns
>current year banking debt crisis in both stealing money from civilian bank accounts and youth unemployment
Not to mention Chinese society is bifurcated in two. A first world for the CPP and their families and a hell on earth for everyone else. Peddle this bullshit to someone else.

>>715988487
no one reads ToS, so it doesn't solve anything

>>715988951
oh you're just a retard RPing as a business owner, I should've guessed that in the first place

>>715988885
>When have corporations caused any real harm by being unchecked?
Faggot, the entire planet and it's ecosystem is being compromised due to constant uncheecked greed by these corporations you protect so much

>>715988961
They only have the power as long as the market supports it.
>>715988968
Not an argument, corporations are inherently kept in check by the nature of the market. They cannot create some Soviet hell state, like what always happens when people put government restrictions up.

>>715989034
Okay, put it dead center on the fucking title page. RIGHT IN THEIR FUCKING STUPID CUNT FACES.

>>715989026
>Falun Gong organ extraction
>Tiananmen square
>The on going genociding of Uyghurs
>current year banking debt crisis in both stealing money from civilian bank accounts and youth unemployment
CIA propaganda.
>The great leap forward
Literally nothing wrong with that.

>>715988862
>Most people actually want things to happen
Right so instead of turning to the EU, you could've created an organization that's fully international and instead of wasting all this grassroots support and political action on the EU, you could've funneled that into supporting the action plans of that consumer advocacy outfit. We could've had THE BIGGEST boycott/review bomb/harassment campaign ever seen. We could've made SBI Detected look like a quaint little footnote.

Instead, you're just drawing the eye of Sauron and hoping he's simply stops at giving you your win.

>>715988885
>>715988885
>When have corporations caused any real harm by being unchecked?
Nevermind. Even autism can't keep my attention on this any further.

>>715988862
The dude doesn't even have half a brain and always retreats and ignores posts that blow him the fuck out too hard.
This nigger is seriously living on carebear energy and unicorn farts.

>>715989154
lol, lmao.
>ITS ALL PROPAGANDA NOOO LISTEN TO ME WERE SUPAAA NICE AND GOOD TRUST NUMBAH 1
Fuck off.

>>715989154
>has to skip mentioning covid lockdowns
epic kys

>>715989094
>They only have the power as long as the market supports it.
yes, lets ignore corporations are the entities behind entire goverments

>>715989159
I hope one day we can fix you people with amygdala reduction surgery

>>715988961
>how the fuck is putting the goverment to do something for once is bootlicking you faggot?
You're telling them you can't solve your own problems and want them to intervene for your the greater " Greater Good" without understanding that Western Governments definition of "Greater Good" is functionally identical to complete disenfranchisement and demolition of western nations, culture and morality.

You are basically ASKING for them to come in and fuck shit up.

>>715989159
Again with the "muh pro-consumer group"? That's like the second time I posted about why this wouldn't work and you've ignored it both time but, hey, at least your retarded ass finally registered that the ESBR wasn't what you thought it was, so that's a win I guess.

>>715989365
>You are basically ASKING for them to come in and fuck shit up.
And none of that would've happened if shit like the dlc horse armor wasn't a thing but here we are, everything that has happened in the last decade or so is the build up for shit like this

>>715963381
>You are told directly multiple times that you are purchasing a license,
Nope, I buy games phisically in a store. Nowhere it says they are licenses.

>>715989458
>And none of that would've happened if shit like the dlc horse armor wasn't a thing but here we are
We could've taken another path but you'd rather lick boots.

>>715989393
Your arguments are inadequate and shallow and so I won't retire my point.

>>715989337
I'm simply noticing patterns anon. It's not about fear.

>>715989458
Consumers bought horse armor because they thought it was a good deal. You're a loud minority.

>>715989489
You own the box and the disc, not the ability to play it.

>>715989589
>noticing patterns
notice how only pro-corporate government policies run out of control

>>715989589
>Your arguments are inadequate and shallow and so I won't retire my point.
Yeah, easier to pretend you're right when you don't even engage with the arguments I guess. If they are so shallow and inappropriate, you should have no difficulty blowing them wide open.

>>715989704
That's not a functional argument. The pattern is that the government hates me and wants me dead, replaced by shitskins or robots or brainwashed and will use ANY foothold and ANY excuse to further that goal. Everywhere and everything you let the Feds into will be used to further that goal.

>>715989885
>it's not about fear
lmao

>>715989589
>We could've taken another path
there's no another path you stupid retard
no "pro-consumer" groups have any influential ground unless they have goverment or corporate connections, so tell me, what IS a viable alternative to the goverment steping in?
>>715989665
>You are a low minority
you are not going to gaslight me you fucking faggot

>>715989815
>you don't even engage with the arguments I guess
There's nothing to engage with. You think that proven strategies of collecitve grassroots action that have forced the exact corpos we're attacking into compliance previously won't work essentially "because I say so" when it's always been a major criticism of movements like GG or SBI Detyected that they lack a solid, appealing, optically desirable central leadership or organization. SKG could've had that and evolved into a non-governmental regulatory organization who provides consumer friendliness ratings to new game releases.

>>715990008
>no "pro-consumer" groups have any influential ground unless they have goverment or corporate connections
Correct so all you have to do is convince a few corpos to become frontrunners for the optics. Convince them to make your issue a bludgeon to bash the competition with.

Pit boot against boot. Instead you've rather tonguefuck one.

>>715990119
>proven strategies of collecitve grassroots action
Name some and the resulting changes that were forced onto corporations.

never ask a lolbertarian what his position has actually accomplished in the world

>>715990218
>Correct so all you have to do is convince a few corpos to become frontrunners for the optics.
this is such a retarded way of thinking, corporations by default are there for profits first, no corporation wants to be part of a initiative that cuts their profits
again: there's no alternative here

>>715990247
Helldivers 2 is a great example. So is Battlefront 2.

>>715990292
uh this website for example

>>715990381
SKG doesn't cut profits, it adds a MINOR cost whiich can be cushioned by more sales from being seen as moral or pro-consumer.