>fights Renior to prevent him from destroying the canvas
>immediately after chooses to fight Maelle so the canvas can be destroyed and end his suffering
Is he retarded? Why not just side with Renior?

>>716037075 (OP)
Did you play the game or do you take your knowledge from memes and tiktoks

>>716037179
Yes I did. Please explain it, I am willing to admit if something went over my head.

i finished the game and im wondering about that too

also, good ending shouldve been to hide the canvas somewhere and expell all the idiot family members. but no0o, the canvas and all the people in it have to be destroyed because the mother cant help herself and the father cant be bothered to protect it properly

>>716037290
He changes his mind when Renoir opens a portal to the real world and he sees Aline thrashing around on the floor dying from the effects of being in the canvas too long.

>>716037639
ooooh,
yeah that was subtle, didn't pick up on it. i concede

>>716037639
Why would pVerso even care about Aline? She is the very reason behind his useless existence.

>>716037848
he wants Alicia to have her family back. He Doesn't want her to deal with losing another family member, knowing how much real Verso's death affected everyone. It stems for his love of Alicia rather than his care of Aline.

>>716037639
Not to mention, he also sees the last Vestige of the real Verso's soul still painting and suffering for all eternity unless he ends it.

>>716037848
He's a perfect copy of Verso so of course he cares about mother and Aline was the real Aline that lived with the painted family before the fracture. He was emotional when he sent her back even.

>>716037639
also he senses that Alicia is lying about getting out at least for a moment

I sneeeeed youuuuuuu
I feeeeeeeeeeed youuuuuuuuuuu

why didn't clea just nuke lumiere while she was in the canvas and the two boomers were busy arm wrestling at the monolith

>>716038757
There is some barrier or something protecting it from the Nevron's and it looks like Clea had Simon nuke Old Lumiere already.

French aren't people

>>716037848
>She is the very reason behind his useless existence.
Yeah she's his mother. "Why does bro care about his mother? Not relatable" maybe kill yourself and everyone else then, faggot.

>>716039027
You are brown though?

>>716037639
he changed his mind, did he?
so before that he didnt want to destroy the canvas?
why did he help fight renoire and the paintress then, if they are the ones protecting it?

>>716038965
>>716038757
Plus as Aline controls the chroma, she controls the canvas. Doesn't matter if she went and killed all the people inside the city its not like it accelerates Renoir's plan when all the chroma still gets controlled by Aline.

>>716037075 (OP)
He thought kicking Aline out of the canvas would solve everything. Little did he know that Maelle was also the problem.

I don't think anyone will ever convince me that this isn't a plothole since I was instantly on the nuke the painting team once curator turns into real renoir. And in that mindset it is obvious that the ending makes no sense. Verso's main motivation was to finally die and save his family. There was no reason for him not to switch teams instantly. At least in the narrative sense. The actual reason why he doesn't side with renoir is that someone in the team told the guy that we can't have players run 2 final dungeons without someone that 99% of people kept in their party constantly throughout the game. So they had to leave this plothole in.

>>716040589
This is the most likely explanation.

>>716040589
Their plan was to kick Renoir out, save Aline from herself and live happily ever after. Verso would have probably tried to get himself killed by Renoir, Aline or Alicia after that but then the world would know peace. Once Verso saw the state of Aline and what would happen to Alicia, he decided to kill the entire Painting to protect them from it.

>>716040113
>so before that he didnt want to destroy the canvas?
Before that he wanted to just end his life. After Renoir shows the state Aline was in and he heard Alicia lying to her father, he knew both of them would die unless he destroyed the canvas.

>>716037639
No he fucking doesn't. He wanted the canvas destroyed literally the entire time since we first meet him. That was the whole reason he joined us and why he didn't share pAlicia's letter with Maelle.

>>716041273
>he decided to kill the entire Painting to protect them from it.
Renoir had been wanting this since the beginning.
Act 3 shouldn't exist logically when he was in control of all chroma.

>>716041445
>Act 3 shouldn't exist logically when he was in control of all chroma.
He spent 67 years fighting his wife, he was exhausted.

>>716041357
Bullshit. He was entirely willing to sacrifice anyone and everyone inside the canvas just so he could die.
His goal didn't change because he suddenly discovered empathy and started caring about other people. The goal was always the same and everything he said was a lie.

>>716041445
To be fair, we don't know the exact mechanics of erasin a whole Canvas. It might be very difficult to do even you control the Chroma. Maybe he had only just managed to open the way to Verso's soul fragment right as the Expedition arrives to fight him.

>>716041445
Verso was on team Renoir from the beginning, he knew that without Aline he will nuke the painting. He switches sides in Act 3 because Maele told him and Renoir that hey, I can fix it, I won't get addicted, let's restore everyone and hide the painting. The difference is that Renoir knows that it's bulshit instantly, but Verso has to see Maele turning into second Aline and lying to Renoir after their final fight.

>>716041862
>The difference is that Renoir knows that it's bulshit instantly, but Verso has to see Maele turning into second Aline and lying to Renoir after their final fight.

Verso also knew that she was bullshitting from the very start. He was just waiting for the right moment to get to Verso's soul. Alicia taking control over the canvas would leave him unable to die asap (as seen in her ending).

Verso very likely felt guilty for betraying E33, but his goal to die never changed, so he played along as he saw it fit.

>Is he retarded?
nah, that's just redditard femoid writing. glad I dodged this turd bullet by pirating.

>>716037848
>>716037075 (OP)
Verso doesn't actually want the canvas to be destroyed and thought it it was over.
But then he saw his mothers suffering and Maelle going crazy too.
She found a very good hiding spot but their mother found it in like 10 minutes. The canvas had to be destroyed. Verso's family is/was suffering just because the Dessendre family (practically gods in his world) were being little cunts about Verso's canvas

If he has free will in the first place, it's possible that all canvas people are just made that way.

>>716041492
>>716040113
He fought against the Curator at first though. But nobody believed him or Renoir that the Paintress was the good gal all along.
He changed his mind as he learned more about the situation.
>he just wants to die
His mother is actually a fucking god and burned his youngest sister. His older sister was repainted/mindbroken by the real older sister.
His painted family and the entire world is suffering because his mother can't deal with the grief. Verso sacrificed himself for his family and painted Verso is the same

entire universe of people, gestrals etc has to die because the mother is a junkie and the father didnt think to just put the canvas on the top shelf where she cant reach it

>>716037075 (OP)
>lunes feet gone forever cause he´s le sad

fuck him

>>716042652
genocide is always the correct option when the consequences don't matter

>>716042662
i think you missed the enitre point of the plot

the feet are not gone if there remain pictures of them

>>716042191
Alicia was just coping and thinks that making Verso age would end his suffering.
It's not death he desires, he wants to end the suffering (his own and that of the family)

>>716042652
>entire universe of people, gestrals etc has to die because the mother is a junkie and the father didnt think to just put the canvas on the top shelf where she cant reach it
Did you miss the part of the game where they did that exact thing and she still found the stupid thing and immediately jumped back in?

>>716042834
So hide it better? Physically lock it up? Store it somewhere outside of the manor? Or are we to believe Aline has the magic ability to sense and track the painting down no matter what?

>>716042834
shit i didnt consider she would be crafty enought to find a stepladder. god damn addicts and their animal cunning.
nothing can stop an addictd with a ladder, you are right we must genocide everything

>>716043031
>Or are we to believe Aline has the magic ability to sense and track the painting down no matter what?
>I hid the canvas-
>She'll always find it!
Maybe?

>>716043031
Renoir had to spend 67 years in the painting to get her out for a short moment.
Do you seriously think it's smart to just hide the thing someone is addicted to especially when you have to experience years of bullshit just to get them out again?

>>716043127
It's just a canvas, Alicia

>>716043031
>>716042834
ya, or get her some fuckin therapy.
children die all the time and usually the
parents somehow learn to deal

>>716037848
Because he cares about Alicia, retard. That's her fate if she stays in the canvas, too. He always told Alicia to fuck off from the canvas and her lying to Renoir about going back to the real world later made him realize she was going to play God like her mother did. The tagline of this game is "Break the cycle" and it's not about the Expeditions.

>>716037075 (OP)
Did you not see his hesitation as he was fighting the real Renoir, or was this lost on you? He began realizing that he was wrong all along.

>>716043261
>get her some le heckin therapy!!!
Reddit moment

>>716043291
>Because he cares about Alicia, retard
Why? Aline was his real mother, but Alicia/Maelle isn't his sister. In fact, she killed his sister.

>>716037075 (OP)
>fights Renior to prevent him from destroying the canvas
By that you mean just tags along with Alicia after she literally drags him to run from Renoir

>>716043291
It's not even a cycle yet by the time the game ends.

>>716037290
Verso has a change of heart during the final boss as both Aline and Alicia prove Renoir's point a thousand times over
>Aline is back in the canvas after what must have been at most minutes in the real world, showing that she A. Found the "secret" hiding spot for the canvas immediately and B. Is still willing to compromise her health and kill herself to defend the canvas, presumably so she can come back later after Renoir gets pushed out, meaning she's still hopelessly addicted and there's no good way to keep her out
>Alicia lies to Renoir's face about being able to control herself and about how she's willing to leave the canvas just as soon as he does, and Verso can see it happen. This, coupled with Aline's intervention, proves to him that neither of them can be trusted to interact with the canvas responsibly, and the only solution is to just get rid of it
Verso himself (both the painted version and the shard of his soul) is also just tired of living and wants to be allowed to die, but I think he doesn't really make up his mind about the canvas until the final boss happens and he sees an opportunity to cut everyone loose

>>716043261
Again, it took him 67 years to get her out once.
If he doesn't destroy it, Clea would eventually do it because she would be annoyed to help Renoir out every fucking time

>>716043440
Oh, Aline and Alicia get to get attached to painted Persons but when a painted person gets attached to a real person, it's a problem?

>716043440
I'm done talking to media illiterate niggers man holy shit

>>716043583
That's a complete misunderstanding of Aline's character. She returns to the canvas not to stay there but to slap Renoir in the face. Which is probably the same reason she stayed as long as she did in the first place. Not because she was addicted but out of spite for Renoir thinking he knows better than she does.
The whole thing is just her having a Woman Moment.

PVerso cares about Verso's actual family more than the fake shit, fake shit including himself. Why? Well because Aline did a really good job of making him like Verso

>>716043583
Painted version is just suffering too much because of the damn bitches acting up.
Like all of his personal problems and the world's suffering are caused because of them.
The shard of real Verso is just sick of them ruining his canvas

>>716043769
Not really. Renoir goes in to get her out but she refuses. Aline is a stronger than him
> She returns to the canvas not to stay there but to slap Renoir in the face.
Fair point but she didn't do that, she went in to help Alicia in her fight against Renoir so the canvas doesn't get destroyed so she can go back to her delusional coping.

>>716043323
But he was planning to destroy the canvas all along. He and Monoco even have a conversation about it in camp BEFORE the fight with Renoir.
https://youtu.be/1tVqey_5-I0?t=1484

>>716043959
He actually sided with PRenoir at first though.
He does care about his family, I mean look at how he reacts to PAlicia and PClea

>>716043031
>So hide it better
it's like saying 'just hide the One Ring'. Gollum will always find it.

What would Act 2 Maelle say if she saw how Act 3 Alicia acts?

>>716044221
>bring back Gustave NOW

>>716044040
>so she can go back to her delusional coping.
Big assumption. We never see her return to the Canvas after the fight.

>>716037075 (OP)
He is not retarded, but you clearly are

>>716044460
Because she's too weak and likely barfing all over floor. Don't forget there's severe time dilation in the canvas so the entirety of Maelle's ending is probably only a few minutes from her perspective.

>>716044460
>Big assumption
If she would just leave the fucking painting occasionally, there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
She decided to play defense for 67 years too instead of just saying "ok, maybe it's time to stop". By the time you reach her, she's delusional

so hold up
if part of little versos soul is in his canvas and sick of painting
does that mean that the hundreds of worlds renoir mentioned all contain pieces of renoirs or alines souls, even more tired of being stuck there?

>>716045063
Versos soul is just sick of everyone fucking up his canvas. Also he never was that much into painting and wanted to go into music, so that's also part of what he was feeling back then

>>716045063
they put a piece of their souls into the painting, but I don't think they're tired of being stuck there. The reason little Verso is tired of it is because he's sitting there and watching as his family tears itself to pieces fighting over this little remnant of him. If the family had stayed fout of the canvas, he'd probably have been happy to keep painting.

Sexo with Lune

>>716045549

Footsies with Lune

>Little verso says he's tired of painting
>also after you beat Pclea Little verso says he doesn't want the canvas gone and that everything is alive and has a soul
>ghost Clea thinks Aline would have stopped in time
I swear the post game tries really hard to act like the canvas could and should have stayed. Despite the main game making it very clear that keeping it is the wrong choice.

>>716046145
>Footsies with Clea
FTFY

>>716038757
Because Clea is salty about her parents fighting and doesn't want to get up off her ass

He is way easier than the lampmaster

>>716047852
>I swear the post game tries really hard to act like the canvas could and should have stayed.
It just explores a bit more of the canvas.
Meeting PClea breaks Verso further too.

>>ghost Clea thinks Aline would have stopped in time
And real Clea gave up on her.
Also don't forget that Alicia went full escapism

>>716040264
All of the painters control chroma though. It's why Alicia can bring back Lune and Sciel (or create new ones?)
That's like the whole thing. Renoir was just too weak which is why Clea had to come up with a way to mess with the flow.

>>716047852
I think the postgame stuff is just spelling out stuff that was already implied by the game. The story may have shifted to the Dessendres familial strife but all the people we met in the painting had their own lives and thoughts and nothing in the game ever implies that it's those aren't real or entirely subject to the painters. I think people misread learning about the family's issues as the more important thing because it is the most recent thing right before the ending.

Both endings are supposed to have bad aspects: you're supposed to feel sad that you destroyed the world of the canvas and all the people in it for this family

You're supposed to feel sad that Alicia is playing god with these people and running away from her life outside.

I do not think it was ever supposed to be clear cut because the game painfully goes through steps to show that Renoir himself doesn't view the painted people as fake people and in either situation Alicia can't really have a good life.

someone post that webm of Alicia-Maelle looking down her nose at Perso after she deleted his sister without a chance to say goodbye. That always btfo all Maellefags.

An advantage!

Because the game's writers are complete hacks who couldn't resolve their goofy what-if conceit, so instead chose a cookie-cutter, millennial basic-bitch meta twist. Being the lazy fucks that they are, they didn't amend the story to accommodate this change in direction.

So Verso (painted one, not the little ghost boy or the dead one) is the biggest "bad" guy in the story right? He blatantly doesn't give a shit about anyone that is also a painted person like he is and it is bizzare that there is an option to have him develop a relationship with Sciel or Lune given his role in the story. Alicia chaining him to the piano is an act of justice imo.

>>716047852
Chronologically, soul verso's last conversation is in lumiere and the poor kid just wants to stop.

>>716050685
Ghost clea is real clea. That's why she up to date on events while the rest were saying esoteric shit

>>716052059
>He blatantly doesn't give a shit about anyone
He cares about his (real) family, everything he does in act 2 is for Aline and act 3 for Alicia.

>>716051118
>real
The fact that it deals which shit like souls shows this is a magical setting and not technology. Most people I've seen treat them like video game NPCs. I feel like they clearly suppose to be sentient. Aline controls all the chroma, and all the Lemuerians are her creations and yet she can't just will the expeditioners to stop trying to kill her. She couldn't get verso to stay with her. In fact as seen with Pclea and Simon they actively resist against outside influence.

>>716052247
But they aren't his family. He is a painted person, the Lumierians that he is perfectly fine facillitating the destruction of and the painted Renoir and Alicia that he helps kill are closer to "family" than the Dessendres in the real world. He is not their Verso and recognition of that is a huge part of *their* healing.

pVerso thrusting himself in the role of saving them and saying I should take all agency from all these other people in the canvas because I am your brother that really loves you and can really save this family is his own suicidal messiah complex justification.

>>716051773
So pitch an ending that would've satisfied you. This should be good.

>>716052175
Yeah but she also says it's not that bad because they allegedly spent longer in other canvas worlds but when we see Aline at the end she is visibly fucked up.
She doesn't really care if she stays in the canvas or not and is a bit pissed off at her for getting off the rail.
She just wants/needs Renoir back

>>716052059
What the fuck are you talking about?
>He blatantly doesn't give a shit about anyone that is also a painted person
Completely false. There are several moments where you can see that he does give a fuck.
>>716053252
It's how he was painted by Aline.
Verso sacrificed himself to save Alicia, so painted Verso is the same.

>>716051773
You're shown several mysteries at the start though that are resolved by the truth

no one in this game listens to other peoples opinion , everything conflict is treated like a dbz beam struggle.

all of the issues could be solved if people just tried to find a middle ground

>>716051379
It was a pretty striking moment. Because Verso didn’t even try to help Gustave and must have seen thousands of other people die. But all of a sudden it’s
>Noooooo! I didn’t get to say goodbye noooooo!
After having spent more time with her than most people still left in the canvas have even been alive.

>>716053252
Aline is his mother, as a matter of fact. Who do you think is instead?
And he has all the memories Aline gave him of Verso.

I find pic related becomes more true over time.

>>716054309
You are right and I was thinking to include that I mostly agreed with his desire to help Aline but I was too annoyed at him for everything else like outright rejecting feelings of his painted sister, father, and the rest of the people in the canvas with his actions and what he chose not to share. The lying is really what gives me the impression that he doesn't regard highly the thoughts or feelings of anyone from canvas and I don't think that's right when he's one of them and does have relationships with them. People argue that that's how he was created, to care about just the 'real' Dessendres and not the canvas, but I thought she created him to have her son back yet he rejects and leaves her so I don't think painted people's wills are permanently fixed to the visions of their creators. If he's just a 1:1 Verso-bot doing exactly what Verso would have done it would be a lot less interesting of a story imo, I think he made his own decisions as his own person and those were the most difficult for me to empathize with amongst the antagonistic forces in the story.

>>716050685
>It's why Alicia can bring back Lune and Sciel
and that was it. Real Clea before Alicia even entered said Aline controlled all the Chroma, otherwise Renoir would be able to break the barrier or actually do something. Or Clea herself also entered and only met expedition 0 at the barrier.

then later when Alicia revived Lune/Sciel she also said Renoir at the time now controlled the chroma.

>>716054190
every day I find a new reason to hate perso.

>>716044965
>If she would just leave the fucking painting occasionally, there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
Which she may very well have done if Renoir hadn't forgotten that she's a woman and telling women what to do never ends well.

>>716056147
based

>>716037075 (OP)
This game shows us what redditors think real men should act like.
Real men should
>always cater to the insane feelings of their wives at the expense of their children
>never ever argue with women unless they're going to kill themselves
>never ever talk to other men and try to solve there own problems
Anyone else who thinks this story is good is one of these men.

>>716044965
>>716057152
has it even been that long, time moves way faster in the canvas and they they are only just having Verso's funeral in the destroy the canvas ending. Maybe let Aline grieve with her son's stuff for a several days/a couple of weeks.

>>716057384
Both versions of Renoir are portrayed immensely positively and caring about their family. Only painted Verso is a piece of shit.

>>716057595
If senior cared about his children why did he abandon them for his wikfe?

>>716037075 (OP)
He didn't make up his mind until he saw that Malicia intended to die in the canvas. That and he saw how quickly Aline found the canvas despite it being hidden.

My question is, before the Paintress fight, why does she wonder if Verso is real when she was the one who painted him?

>>716045063
There are lots of little fragments of Renoir and Aline around, yes.

That said, I do not believe that little Verso was sick of painting. He was just a little tired at that point and mister Male Manipulator pushed him enough to give up.

>>716037075 (OP)
He felt undecisive at act 3 about doing it again just like Verso real soul.

Before Renoir fight, he was fine with the canvas being kept and all the people inside not dying but watching Maelle lying and his mother coughing to death was the last straw that pushed him to complete his goal once for all.

He understood his mother and maelle would never let go their grief and always cling to it until they die and then you know the rest

>>716057912
She is not super lucid at that point.

>>716040589
It does make sense he was always torn up about completing his goal, so when it failed the first time, he didnt have the strenght to redo especially since his mother was gone so he did fullfill a part of it.

We see through when we enter Lumiere for the last time, he's undecisive and very passive because he's not sure about what he should do rn so he follows Maelle lead.

Funny thing is that even Verso soul last dialogues lampshades about his hesitation, he's not sure if he should save his family or keep painting forever

>>716037506
Alicia did hide the cavas before entering

>>716057912
That and Maelle asking if Aline was going to burn her again always felt weird.

>>716057595
Still both Renoir have huge flaws that makes them more interesting to see through.

Painted Renoir is still a dick killing tons of people and he's fine with Aline dying during her junkie shot

Real Renoir doesnt really comprehend the despair of Alicia's fate, even when she told him how she's a wreck with almost no good prospect in life, all he can say is ''dont worry it'll get better'' but he doesnt know how

In a way, both Renoir are willing to kill or let people die because they truly love their family

>>716059306
That's because the Aline lit Maelle, Lune, and Sciel on fire when they entered the monolith. Verso got her to stop by starting to burn himself too.

>>716057912
Because she's been in there too long and has started to lose her grasp on what's real. She's paranoid about Renoir and thinks the Lumieran's are actually his creations when we know they are hers.

>>716051118
>Renoir himself doesn't view the painted people as fake people
Renoir also mentions that Aline had to rescue him before, and I think that's why he sympathizes with the painted people even if he knows what they actually are.

WHY
IS THE BUDDHIST DEITY
FUDOU MYOUOU
IN LUMIERE

>>716038636
God that overworld theme was absolute cancer. I found myself trying to rush to areas just to avoid that stupid bitch wailing the same lines over and over again instead of actually looking at the world.

>>716053859
>Why didn't the characters just sit down and talk to each other

>>716062257
>Why couldn't the real Verso just come back from the dead
That's literally the whole point, there's no such thing as compromise because you can't ask a dead person to become less dead.

>>716037075 (OP)
Replaying the game is rough cause I got to Maelle being visited by Painted Renoir and Alicia and I realized him saying “It’s all her fault” is basically Alicia’s mom blaming her for the fire

>>716044126
Wow, you don't even realize you just proved the point of the anons who are saying Verso wasn't actually sure of what he was going to do. Congratulations on being a dumbass. That conversation shows Verso still isn't sure, even if he is leaning in a direction, and Monoco supports him either way because the real Verso would have supported either decision and it, ultimately, is Verso's decision, not Alicia's, Aline's, Renoir's, or Clea's.

>>716057384
Posted it again award

>>716053859
Yeah dumbass that’s what make a tragedy a tragedy

>>716062427
It's only Verso's decision in the fact that that's the way the narrative plays out literally. Monoco doesn't support him because it's what the real Verso would or wouldn't have done he supports him because he has known and been friends with this Verso for centuries. It is not morally/ethically any more Verso's decision than it is Alicia, Aline, Renoir, or Cleas. He's isn't Verso and isn't even Verso's creation. The dead Verso isn't from beyond the grave expressing himself through Painted Verso.

>>716037075 (OP)
What psychopath would choose to keep the canvas safe?
Alicia seemed much better off dealing and grieving with her family irl. Live goes on...

>>716058139
>but watching Maelle lying
I think he decided a lot sooner, during the bench scene when she decided she was maelle over alicia, you see him kind of recoil before standing up

G.O.T.Y.

>the people in this canvas are all real people that have lived real lives
>maelle was raised by these people and grew up with them
Ending:
>UHHHH ACKYUALLY ESCAPISM IS LE BAD AND THESE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY NOT REAL AND YOU SHOULDN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS DESPITE THEM LIVING THEIR ENTIRE LIVES TO DESTROY THE PAINTRESS AND STOP THE GENOCIDE
>FOR THOSE WHO COME LE AFTER
>ACKYUALLY THEY FORGIVE YOU FOR RUINING ALL THEIR EFFORTS AND KILLING THEM ALL ANYWAY SO YOU WON'T FEEL BAD

ChatGPT ass story

>>716063667
she can't speak, has a mutilated face, has no friends, is the least talented in her family that don't really support her much. We know Renoir loves her as the youngest daughter but cna't really help her Clea might be supportive of her in a tough love way but that is more speculatory since she seems busy with her own responsiblities.

Neither ending is very good for Alicia.

>>716037075 (OP)
He changed his mind after the Renoir fight you retarded zoomer.

>>716063920
I don't think you are supposed to disregard the first part or that the game is telling you to disregard it ever, it is just explaining the 'real' part closer to the end of the game. You are supposed to have conflicted feelings.

>>ACKYUALLY THEY FORGIVE YOU FOR RUINING ALL THEIR EFFORTS AND KILLING THEM ALL ANYWAY SO YOU WON'T FEEL BAD
This doesn't happen. Monoco and Esquire have known Verso foever and were always supporting what he wanted. Sciel is pretty fatalistic herself but stops short of giving him the approval he wants for what he's doing. Lune is absolutely seething and doesn't give him anything. In the epilogue with Alicia waving goodbye to the painted people that is not the real projections of any of them it is just symbolic of her moving on from the canvas.

>>716063667
>Live goes on...
Unless you're from the canvas. Then you fucking die lol.

>>716063667
Act 3 and the inane soap opera family shit taking over obliterated any investment I still had in the story, so I picked it just to spite Verso

The canvas existing was a mistake to begin with, and they should make it illegal for painters to make canvases with sentient life in it

>>716045549

>>716065478
This too. The painters are all awful people callously creating and discarding millions of intelligent lifeforms whenever they get bored. I'm supposed to care about their grief? They all should have died in the fire.

>>716065478
based the writers faction did nothing wrong. Death to all painters.

>>716065656
they failed to my feet sorry queen

>>716043261
>the parents somehow learn to deal
they often don't though and most marriages often end after the death of a kid

>>716065752
That might not be the norm and something that is frowned upon. Renoir comments that what Aline did in creating the Lumiereians and painted family was wrong. He himself only made the Axons and Clea made the Nevrons which behave more like you'd expect a construct to than intelligent lifeforms so that may be more the standard.

>>716066223
I’m not even a parent yet, and I couldn’t imagine how I’d feel after the death of a child. The pain would likely be unbearable.

>>716049774
that boss was fun solo, lampmaster made me feel like a game journalist for a moment

>>716043674
Alicia spent 16 years with painted people and she considers that half her life with just them and Aline spent much longer with the painted family. Verso spent a few months at most with Alicia/Maelle and decides to kill his father and sister and everyone he knows and from his world because of her? Him being tired with living and the immortality came up multiple times in the story and Alicia/Maelle is his excuse to kill himself and take the whole world down with him. This game has JRPG DNA and suicidal immortal with unclear familial motivations and a god complex is just part of it.

should I ring and ask them anything?

what's your highest damage possible and what's the set up.
Pic rel is on Paintress with x10 HP modifier but she still can't get a single turn in

>>716068704
Yeah ask if they can they make Verso's chest hairier

>>716063920
You are so obviously brown.

>>716068764
Stendhal before the nerf could get 150m+

>>716057505
They're just visiting his grave

so what's the valid explanation of Pverso changing his mind at the beginning of Act 3 and work with the 33ers to fight Renior? Or was he just pretending again because his agenda never change and he knows the expedition army will be the easiest way for him to get to real Verso's soul fragment?

>>716072292
You're really assuming he's smart. This is the guy who thought the best way to take down the Paintress was to go to her house and knock on the door, thinking that she'd let them in.

>>716072292
I'd wager he thought maybe things would be okay now that they pushed his mom out of the painting, and maybe Maelle would also mature and move on from the painting + give him rest in time. It was probably a way to ease his guilt a bit too.

But when he sees Aline come back and Maelle lying to Renoir he knows it's all fucked.

>>716067202
The painters have ruined his life, family and world because their drama.
His mother fucking burned his little sister
The real one finished her off
His big sister was fucking mindbroken by the real one
When he discovered the truth, nobody believed him and he had to kill his girlfriend. Couldn't return to Lumiere either because everyone got suspicious.

>>716074105
Why did Julie turn on verso anyway? If my gf came back after having died I would be happy

>>716073168
He was right about that though?

>>716072292
Maybe he wanted it to make sure it's over for real and the safest way is to tag along and strike at the right moment.
Also it's not like he wants to destroy his world and friends, maybe he wavered a bit and thought it could be possible to have a normal life

>>716074345
Well, imagine that your friend couldn't die and then he talks about how the paintress is actually good and then talks about some canvas world and real world and how everyone is just a painted version made by the Paintress

>>716074748
>He was right about that though?
Oh? Did the plan work, for you to think that it was a great idea?

>>716075108
He got pretty close and the barrier was also a problem

>>716074748
>Well, imagine that your friend couldn't die and then he talks about how the paintress is actually good and then talks about some canvas world and real world and how everyone is just a painted version made by the Paintress
Maybe I'd think they'd gone crazy but I wouldn't start torturing them

>>716042834
Uh to be fair it was sitting on the ground in the basement, they werent very good at hiding it, plus i wouldnt be surprised if they could sense where these types of paintings are

>>716075646
>Uh to be fair it was sitting on the ground in the basement
I thought Alicia hid it in her painting, since she was suddenly able to talk during that scene

>>716075646
Even Clea was impressed so it was probably a good hiding spot.
>>716075898
I think it was her thoughts? They hid it before Alicia entered the canvas

Alright, I'm here to ask the real question. The final, actual, real question. Why would Renoir concede to Maelicia and leave willingly if he genuinely, 100% believed that the Canvas would kill her? Why wouldn't he fight to the death? I'm not a virulent anti-Perso schizo I.E
>PLAY THE PIANO FUCKFACE
nor am I
>LOL REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL EMOTIONS VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM REAL HUMANS? LOL GROW UP FAGGOT
But again. Why would he leave? If it was as much of a death sentence as he said, why would he concede?! The only good argument for Verso's ending at that point is that Verso's taking agency over his own canvas.

>>716075632
they are soldiers in a war way beyond anything in real life, and she thought he killed expedition 0, and couldnt properly explain why he healed up shortly after almost being chopped in half.

prolly a tough decision but she has a different mindstate than you. shes battle hardened and has absolute d

>>716037639
Which is weird because Clea told Alicia that their parents aren't in any real danger and that they've been stuck in Paintings longer then this. This conversation takes place outside the painting too, which is important.

>>716037075 (OP)
Because he was okay with it until 1)he saw mom coked out in real life and 2)maelle lied to his face. Both of which happened after the battle.

>>716067202
>Verso spent a few months at most with Alicia/Maelle and decides to kill his father and sister and everyone he knows and from his world because of her?
Clea had him visiting Lumiere from time to time to watch over Maelle like her own personal guardian angel. He knew a lot more about her than he let on because he' watched her grow up, and you see him watching from afar in a few of the cutscenes before he revealed himself. The prevailing theory is that it was Verso who saved Gustave at the beach after he extracted Maelle. He wasn't ready to reveal himself yet, but Maelle needed a guardian to keep her safe, so Verso chose to save the one person he knew would die for Maelle and left a message nearby guiding Gustave to her.

>>716076993
ick?

>>716052059
Anonymous, the entire reason he's destroying the canvas is because he realizes that Aline and Alicia will never stop trying to escape into it to the point of crippling their real world health. I'm sure he would have loved for the canvas to stay intact, but it was made more and more clear that wasn't going to happen if they were to move on.

>>716056147
Brown people being booty blasted over eurocentrism and colonialism is to be expected. Of course they'd hate the most unapologetically French game ever made.

>>716051379

Sorry Painters, the terrorist burning attacks will continue until painting genocide disappears and morale improves
>t. the Writers

>>716076695
It's not like visiting a canvas is a death sentence, you have to spend a good amount of time to affect you or lose yourself. Which is why Renoir is doing that, it happened to him and now he's helping his wife the same way she helped him.
Verso answers your question. Renoir wants to believe Alicia.

>>716077079
It's definitely taking a toll on her though.
And Clea doesn't even give a fuck about Aline, probably because she has been useless ever since the incident

>>716076695
He can just come back in again in a day or two (a decade from Maelle's perspective) and rehash the whole argument.

>>716077874
>heroin addicts create entire world of people that they just delete when they don't feel like getting high anymore
lol

>>716037848
Nothing technically does say he cares about Aline specifically but he does care for Alicia/Maelle. Bare minimum, he can see what wallowing in grief in the canvas world for "decades" does to a person and he doesn't want Alicia to suffer the same fate.

Still, I don't think he doesn't still care for Aline. He may resent her for creating him but I'm fairly sure caring about her was still painted into his very core by Aline. Ultimately though, I think his whole deal with wanting to destroy the canvas but also not siding with real Renoir was that he wanted to give Alicia a chance to prove she wasn't just going to make the same mistakes as her mother. He wanted to believe she could be different and not use the canvas to escape and that the denizens of Verso's canvas could continue to live their lives and she'd just responsibly visit from time to time. If that was the case, I think he'd have found a new will to keep living and it's likely the fragment of the real Verso's soul that was holding the world together might have regained some of its "passion" (as opposed to the state we saw it in where it looked more like a tired abused child forced to labour over the canvas). He ultimately realized that wasn't going to happen though and that it was for the best to wipe the canvas, kick Alicia back into the real world so her and her family could confront their grief and heal, and put the last remnants of the real Verso's soul to rest.

>>716077653
>Look at me. I am your sister now.

>>716061558
lol cope seethe dilate ywnbaw

>>716077510
he also spells out in a conversation with Alicia that the people of Lumiere are forever gonna be burdened by the Dessendre's grief

>>716080272
Also true. Unfortunately there was no world where the painting stays intact and mostly free of their escapism. Ideally the canvas would stay intact and the people inside would live their lives, maybe the Dessandres pop in to visit Verso every so often. But that was never happening one way or another.

How is he so handsome

>>716077189
>The prevailing theory is that it was Verso who saved Gustave at the beach after he extracted Maelle.
isn't it implied that the hand nevrons are Clea's direct servants and she used them to collect "pawns" critical in bringing down Aline to help real Renoir expelling her from the canvas? We know that Verso personally collected Maelle and moved her to the Manor while the hand nevrons knock Gustave, Lune, and Sciel then scattered them around the beginning areas.

>>716061451
the Dessendre's are a rich family that buy exotic imports cause they look cool so they put them in the paintans, Aline has a neck tattoo that says "Soup"

>>716049774
>>716066947

>>716077120
Verso sure doesn't like lying.

>>716081032
boy I sure am glad I got the UGLIEST OUTFIT IN THE GAME FOR DOING THIS

>>716038636
>can't even criticize something without morphing it into old memes
This is what brain rot looks like.

I think the problem that people have with the endings and what the game leads to is that most people probably just aren't used to being exposed to tragedies like this in media. Most stories have something to say and so it would make sense for someone to be turned off by E33's constant moral grayness and ambiguity because they are looking for finality in some message they thought the game would deliver. You cant really say the point of E33 is ___, you can only discuss what you've seen. The way I see it is that the game is just showing how a tragedy is affecting this one family while using the canvas and people of lumiere to represent the manifestation of the intense affects that grief has on the psyche. As the player I dont think the game is asking us to dissect every scene for thematic relevance, theorize this character represents x for y, etc. we are meant to simply observe. Any conclusions drawn between characters and how they affect the story is icing on the cake, because that means the game is doing its job of making you think. The final ending choices are not meant to be interpreted for what is right/wrong, rather interpretation itself is the goal. It's just meant to make you live with the tragedy of this family. Now is it perfect? No. I have my issues with parts of the narrative, but the way it just left me to simmer with the dark grayness is different at least.

>>716080925
>Aline has a neck tattoo that says "Soup"
In what language?

>>716081703
OK but who's a bigger asshole, Verso or Reiner?

>>716082120
Renoir was my favorite so I have to say Verso

>>716082442
I said Reiner not Renoir

>>716080860
>isn't it implied that the hand nevrons are Clea's direct servants and she used them to collect "pawns" critical in bringing down Aline to help real Renoir expelling her from the canvas?
Nope. It's never implied that they serve any purpose except killing Lumerians to trap their Chroma. Blanche is a unique hand nevron who says she had an additional duty of slaying the other white nevrons that spawned consciousness by accident, but that's that.
>We know that Verso personally collected Maelle and moved her to the Manor while the hand nevrons knock Gustave, Lune, and Sciel then scattered them around the beginning areas.
Verso saved Maelle and Gustave from the regular hand nevrons. Sciel NOPED and swam into the water where she got saved by her guardian angel Esquie again. Lune was one of the few Expeditioners who managed to keep her cool and escape on her own. It was either pure chance that she wound up near where Verso left Gustave, or that Verso simply dumped Gustave near where she was to increase both their survival chances before they reached Maelle, we can't know for sure until someone asks Guillaume.

>>716077751
Do yoy really think the Writers are any better with their powers? I'm sure their feud is over some petty politics, not high-minded philosophical differences.

>>716082887
Esquie saved them all.
>Saved Sciel because they met before
>Saved Gustave because he's modeled after young Renoir from Aline's memories (cousins)
>Saved Lune because her bare feet reminded him of Clea

>>716080860
It was probably Catherine that dragged him away from the beach. Her body is the freshest in the corpse pile. Verso also knew from the start that Gustave would be a loose cannon so there's no way he would've saved him.

>>716083363
I like to think that it is indeed over ideology. I imagine the Writers to be very by the book (no pun intended), very conservative with their world breaking powers. Whereas the Painters are very much the opposite. They Paint without worry, create countless worlds and happily get lost within them.

>>716082887
>Sciel NOPED and swam into the water where she got saved by her guardian angel Esquie again.
wrong, Esquie only ever met Sciel two times. The attempted suicide and with other 33 party in the cave.
This is what happened when lorelets think their headcanon is true, kek

>>716082887
>Nope. It's never implied that they serve any purpose except killing Lumerians to trap their Chroma.
The cutscene at the landing clearly shown the nevron's pov scanning Gustave's face before shooting the laser AT THE GROUND instead of cutting him in half like the nigga in paris guy, media illiterate-kun

>>716083551
>Her body is the freshest in the corpse pile.
Were the rest of the corpses even from E33? There seems to be way more of them than actually embarked on the expedition. I figured they were from a time when the expeditions were hundreds or thousands strong.

>>716077189
>prevailing theory
prevailed by who? retards like you?

>>716083510
>>Saved Gustave because he's modeled after young Renoir from Aline's memories (cousins)
Is that true?
I mean it's also possible that Alicia/Maelle recreated her family for her party members

>>716081703
It's about (overcoming) grief.
I'm not even sure the painting people are real, it doesn't even matter because they're all being manipulated by the painters.
While Verso saw them as having souls, Clea just sees them as paintings. They all see paintings differently.
While I understand that we get to experience the story as Maelle, we don't get to see too much of the real world, only the most important things about Alicia.

>>716043291
>The tagline of this game is "Break the cycle"
The cycle being Verso's life. He just wanted to die.

I love my town slut wife Sciel

>>716083551
>It was probably Catherine that dragged him away from the beach. Her body is the freshest in the corpse pile
That'd be a valid theory if the last thing Gustave saw wasn't a hand nevron about to kill him. She may have been able to block one like Bastien did, but there's no way she could have eliminated one actively trying to kill Gustave and then dragged him away. These are high level mobs and the expedition was still green with no lumina and copied pictos to boost them up yet, Only someone like Verso with nearly a 100 years of pure grinding could have slain a hand nevron by that point. Nah, it's more likely she managed to escape on her own like Lune during the chaos, but then her luck ran out and some other nevrons killed her.
>Verso also knew from the start that Gustave would be a loose cannon so there's no way he would've saved him.
If that were the case then Verso wouldn't have left a message to guide Gustave to Maelle, he'd have let him wander aimlessly until Nevrons killed him. The fact Verso left a message at all is proof enough that he at least doubled back to the beach after saving Maelle, if not to save Gustave specifically, then at least to inspect the carnage and adjust his plans based on whoever survived. Verso eventually decided that Gustave would get in the way, but he was fine with using him before that point.

>>716077653

Why didn't The Curator (Renoir) just tell everyone what was going on instead of standing around cryptically in camp?

>>716065457
I feel like it would've been more impactful if we knew or had Verso in our party since the start but you dont get him until like what? 8 hours in and you're still wondering why Gustave was killed for any reason other than shock value

>>716058628
Aline found it near instantly, seeing how she reenters it during the Renoir fight.

>>716085372
His real consciousness and avatar was in the monolith, nigger.

>>716037075 (OP)
Renoir doesn’t even consider Verso, he’s already dead. What matters to him is that Maelle is the one who comes out of the painting. Even someone like Ma, who’s only seen a few clips on YouTube, understood that

did this guy have any purpose? or was he just the biggest Aline simp?

>Hand enemies from the beginning look super cool
>you will literally never see them again unless you go back to the beach
Felt a high level enemy that would come back later in a story relevant area.

>>716086140
Do you think Aline had sex with her painted husband? Is it cheating if they did?

>>716085541
>and you're still wondering why Gustave was killed for any reason other than shock value
It's almost as if losing her brother figure and how Maelle deals with that loss might have some meaning.

>>716086275
they have the best theme and they also guard the best picto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbK7iYQ79ng

>>716082887
>Sciel NOPED and swam into the water where she got saved by her guardian angel Esquie again
This is blatantly wrong, are you retarded?

>>716086310
if Aline has a giant form then isn't it technically a little copy of Renoir

The one thing that still confuses me in this game is the conversation that's going on when Renoir pushes Alicia out of Maelle and she's floating in the void. Exactly when and how is that conversation taking place? Is it in real time? Are Renoir and Aline both able to converse with each other constantly while they're in the painting?

If you had a little tiny Verso clone with all the memories of the original would you torture it for eternity?

>>716086781
I'd let him play the piano, but only if he wants to

>>716086140
He was the bestand despite the in story hate he gets he is the only person that tried on multiple occasions to convince people with words. Hell he tried to get Real Renior to find a way without destroying the painting.

what went wrong?

>>716045549
>>716046145
Everyone likes Lune more than Sciel. Even white women. Even though Lune is kind of a bitch and Sciel is sweet.
Isn't that kind of weird? Does everyone have yellow fever, even white women?

>>716086690
Possible or it's because they're both sealed

>>716087047
Sciel doesn't get much screentime and it's obvious she just cares for her dead husband

>>716087008
see
>>716077653

>>716037848
because its his mother you daft cunt

>Painted renior forced to feel like he lost a son and its his fault
>Alicia painted missing an eye with horrific burns and can't talk, as well guilt for something she didn't do
Yet I'm suppose to believe Verso had it rough because he tired of immortality.

>>716087681
Maybe Real Verso was also suicidal and he just saw the fire as an opportunity

>>716087047
From what I've seen Sciel tossing Verso for her dead husband put people off even when they didn't pursue her.

>>716087008
I think about what palicia would feel like watching this and then i get sad

>>716087806
>"boy howdy I cannot wait to die in one of the most painful ways imaginable"
i dunno...

If Fake Renior and Simon can fucking gommage people and Fake clea can make Nevrons what exactly is stopping one of the creations from being painter level?

>>716087893
Nah man they like Lune more even before act 3.
>t. been putting a lotta lets plays on in the background during work

>>716086346
Meh. She suffered enough. It was shock value and you know it, retard. Gustave is irrelevant after his death.

>>716088015
pRenoir doesn't gommage anyone. Simon and pClea were granted their powers by the real Clea.

>>716088015
Yeah, Simon

>>716087681
Would be kinda weird to know that your cloned sister was purposely disfigured because your mom hates your actual sister she’s based after.

>>716041492
Everything Verso did was correct.

Either you lot are retarded as fuck or this is the fastest death of an author ever.

>>716088334
He has move that makes people disappear and you can't revive them afterwards.

>>716088773
sing to me baby what are you sayin

>>716088096
>Nu-uh
Amazing
But think about it for one second. The way she deals with the loss of Gustave is different she deals with the loss of Verso. She acts more like Clea, focused on getting revenge. Then she acts more like Aline, going for full escapism

I want an indie game where you play as alone and have to find the painting. Score is based on how long it takes you to find the canvas.

>>716087901
Good

>>716041492
>everything he said was a lie.

Correct. Remember, anons, that Verso is the back of the canvas, or literally the Reverse. Everything he says is a lie. Always do the opposite of what Verso says.

I want to know more about OG Verso

>>716041492
From Verso POV he has been alive 7 decades. But he himself is not really Verso he is a being created by someone bigger, implanted with the personality of memories he personally does not have, he is literally just a tool used to cope with by Aline. Then comes the fuckery of immortality, yet still having human emotions so he is constantly tired dead inside depressed and suicidal. He does still care for his family though because of the memories implanted to him, and sees how hard they are grieving and mourning and literally going insane over his death so he wants to do something. He has seen several expeditions being wiped out, he lives though at the same time realizes life is worthless because everything around them isnt even real in the first place. I dont know too deep into the lore, not sure about the fuckery of the painted dessendre family but I can bet there is some extra bullshit that fucked him up there

So all he wants to do is just simply end it all. But he cant even kill himself because he just respawns. So he is forced to find some workaround. I dont know what this thread is talking about, Verso always wanted to kill himself, or at the very least, he wants his family out of the canvas at all costs, he does not want to see his family suffer over him anymore. His own mother father and sister is going insane.
So of course he goes off and lies, Maelle is the first real shot and opportunity he finds, an actual endgame, since more than half a decade, he doesnt want to take any chances, he wants to end it all no matter the costs. So sure he is a selfish manipulating conniving cunt but its for good reason. At the end of his ending, Verso kills everybody that isnt real, and after that, his family can now FINALLY properly mourn and grieve, and move on. Alicia in some 10 years will look back and thank her brother for doing the right choice and helping her get over it instead of letting her fucking go insane in a fake world.

>>716037075 (OP)
>immediately after chooses to fight Maelle so the canvas can be destroyed and end his suffering
Renoir convinces Verso after showing the side effects on Aline. He decides to save Alicia one more time.

>>716090693
>Verso kills everybody that isnt real
So not the inhabitants of the Painting.

>>716090645
What do you want to know?
He spend time with his big sister in canvas worlds, went into music, talked and laughed a lot with his father and wanted his little nerd sister to do something


>>716090693
>goes on a mission to find/save his missing mother and sister, learns the truth that they're all just painted versions of the real family
>his mother is a literal god and burned his little sister because she's angry at the real world little sister
>Tries to save his painted world but nobody believes him
>has to kill his gf because she mistrusts him
>can't stay in Lumiere because everyone is suspicious because he doesn't age either
>gets into a fight with his father and cuts ties with him
>real life little sisters deletes his father
>real life little sister just deletes his little sister
>real life big sister mindbroke his big sister who kills herself in a lucid moment
>his mother slowly killing herself
>real little sister also starts killing herself

>>716090693
Many humans live 7 decades and don't go insane.

>>716074105
>When he discovered the truth, nobody believed him
That's just lazy writing

>>716092334
Well anon im not sure if you noticed but it has more to do with the 4 paragraphs after that comment but you can figure it out eventually if you read more

>>716091927
They are not real anon. They are paintings.

>>716037639
This, but also the fact that he knew Maelle was lying to Renoir about staying just a bit longer. He knew she would be Aline 2.0 at that point.

>>716092437
>bro my mother is a god and she made all of us and this world isn't real, it's a canvas from some guy who is her real son which is me and my dad from the real world is actually erasing people, not the paintress, she's actually protecting us. also we can't die but you can

>>716092852
>also we can't die but you can
This alone should make them believe him

>>716090645
The game is already too much "muh verso". I want more Clea.

Its not talked about often but there is talk about other canvases and worlds created by the painters. Meaning there are other worlds that exists that (maybe) has humans. That are supposedly real with emotions and logic and so on.

So the implication that the painters have commited omnicide maybe a 100 times is fucking rad, and also kills Maelle's ending.

>>716093115
Go jerk off coomer

>>716093232
>>716091927
The worlds are real in the sense that they're works of art.

Something the game doesn't adequately explore for me is that Maelle who lived for 16 years before the game and through Act 2 is a distinct person from Alicia. Once Alicia 'awakens' she has all of Maelle's memories but Alicia's personality and stuff definitely overrides Maelle's identity. She can say she's taking up the name and living as Maelle from now but the Maelle we know of Act 1/2 does not seem like she would be okay with how casual Alicia is about painting life or any of the bad stuff that is implied with her endin. The anger she has basically dissipates completely when it should be worse with all of Lumiere getting gommaged. It feels like she just died and we got another character and they already did that with Gustave. So the endgame is just about the siblings and I don't like either of them as much as the painted party/og Maelle.

I don't know how they could have explored it in a satisfactory way but I didn't really like that.

>>716093824
The Dessendres' world isn't real just like their Paintings. December 33rd? Powers of Painting and Writing? Alicia was going to make a Painting within a Painting of Lumiere and show it to Lune and the others.

>>716089152
>her face is almost as fucked up as >>716087901
Lmao no wonder she holds a grudge.

>>716094148
Anon, that's because she's old

>>716093948
Yes, it's a made up story. Painters don't really have the power to make SM64 tier painted worlds.
What are you talking about?

play the piano

>>716093237
>it's coomer to want to know more about the most skilled painter int he family and the one that basically sets the events of the game in motion.

>>716094504
>the one that basically sets the events of the game in motion.
That's Renoir. Clea was just helping him out to hopefully break the stalemate and get her family back out of the canvas to deal with the Writers.

>

>>716094626
Ahem.

>>716094459
My point is that real is hard to define, especially within the confines and context of Clair Obscur. Its easy to handwave the Painting that houses all the characters as being fake but how can you be so sure the Dessendres' and their world is real? If fully lived in, living and breathing worlds with sentient beings can be made by one person (though in this case its a mess of a collaboration), then how sure can we be that they too on the "outside" aren't created and dismissed as fake too?

>>716052059
>>716052059
He betrayed and murdered his friends and the love of his life 67 years before you meet him. He deliberately manipulates your group to try and bring about the genocide of their entire world.

>>716094613
Clea sends Alicia into the painting and breaking the stalemate with nevrons is the only thing that allows Renoir to do any gommages at all.

>>716061558
ALINE ALINE

>>716095128
In another RPG, Verso could've been the villain.

>>716092738
They are sentient beings who can think,feel and suffer. Creating them just to destroy them is unnecessarily cruel

>>716096593
100 iq take

>>716095128
That's a good point. I hate him for the stuff he does during the game but he was a piece of shit back then too.

>>716037639
You fucking idiot he always wanted to destroy the canvas, but he needed to expell Aline and Renoir from it. Verso's soul doesn't want to paint anymore

>"Verso isn't a wishy-washy retard, he's just depressed about being immortal!"
Can't he just wait like 33 years until the countdown reaches 0? Isn't the point that Renoir will win at that point, thereby erasing the canvas and killing him?

>>716043261
Most parents don't have the sould of their dead children stored in vr game

>>716063194
>The dead Verso isn't from beyond the grave expressing himself through Painted Verso.
He isn't through him but he is expressing himself and he does want to stop painting.

Painted people are not real.
Just for the future: AGI is not real. Don't protest for it. It's not real. Don't protest for android rights.

>>716094929
Because they're not dying or become delusional.
It's a fantasy setting, the family mansion alone is insane.
Another question would be how real the canvas people really are. The party somewhat resembles Alicia's family. Are the people who they are because of their experiences or is it just what they're supposed to be.
Are Lune and Sciel in Act 3 the same or "new"/reimagined


>>716096489
Get back in the wheelchair, Doned

>>716098012
It's a fragment of his soul without really enough agency seemingly to stop painting on his own, otherwise why didn't he long ago?

>>716098159
This. Maelle fags worry me for the future. Bunch of AI simps in the making.

>>716077079
That's not what Clea says
She says that "it's not that dire", meaning it's bad but still salvageable as long as they can convince Aline to come out

>>716098227
The positive side is that the overwhelming majority sides with Verso. Still. That's like 25% who'll be voting for green parties in Europe over this.

>>716098012
That isn't Verso. Verso is dead. The personification of the soul/painters magic that gives life to painters' creation is not the painter themselves. Verso is gone and not coming back, if it were actually him Alicia/Aline clinging onto it wouldn't be an effective metaphor for grief.

>>716098401
Siding with Verso is also wrong. Verso is an ink, it don't think. If you didn't side with Verso because Renoir was right, then you might as well have fallen into the same duplicity as Maelle fags.

>>716098159
Why did Renoir bother apologizing to pVerso for all the shit he's been through if he knows he isn't sentient?

>>716098578
I've apologised to my cat for upsetting it. I've apologised in a video game as part of a story quest. It doesn't mean much - it shows Renoir's character is actually gentle and caring if nothing else.

>>716098401
That's not surprising because the endings are hamfisted and bash you over the head that Maelle's ending is bad and you should feel bad for picking it

>>716098504
I sides with Renoir. Don't argue semantics tranny. Verso and Renoir wanted the same thing.

>>716098578
I apologize to a spider before I'm about to squash it. Hell I apologize to AI just bc I'm a polite person. That doesn't mean they're equal to us.

>>716098758
>I sides with Renoir. Don't argue semantics tranny. Verso and Renoir wanted the same thing.
Did they? Verso wanted death, freedom from his eternal life perpetuated by Aline. Renoir wanted his family to stop being fucking children addicted to paint meth and to deal with their grief together.

Renoir is based. Verso is a lying dick. Maelle is a child.

>>716098867
Verso wanted his mom and sister to get over his death. So did Renoir. Yes they wanted the same. Post clitty.

I take it if Renoir just destroyed the canvas with Aline and Alicia in it they would die rather than just be ejected?

>>716098159
You are misunderstanding. They are "real", real and not real doesn't have a meaningful distinction when observing thinking entities. But we the players are not part of the story so as outsiders we can view in the story there are paint people and meat people.

Paint people should side with paint people and meat people should side with meat people. Meat people creating paint people is unethical and it should be discouraged but it is not unethical for meat to side with meat once paint people have been created, it's just an unfortunate reality. It is unethical to cross the paint/meat line in either direction. Paint verso is a bad guy for killing all the paint people for the benefit of meat. Aline and Alicia are unethical for letting their meat family and selves rot for to perpetuate paint people's existence.

The same would apply to thinking machines IRL but of course we are not outsiders in this so would always have the ethical obligation to side with meat.

>>716037848
1. She's his mother
2. He recognizes that she's suffering and needs help
3. he knows that both he and the canvas itself need to go for Aline to survive/move on. Alicia too.

>>716099108
>real and not real doesn't have a meaningful distinction when observing thinking entities.
Prove they think.

>>716099076
That's the only way it makes sense. Either they die or they become vegetables or something.

>>716099216
Did you not see that "Fuck You" glare Lune gives if you side with Verso. She sure as hell is not okay with what he is doing

>>716099186
I'm surprised that Aline isn't there in the Maelle ending, but maybe she had already died outside the canvas at that point. Pretty dark.

>>716099108
We humans have never met our superiors so it's hard to say. If god descended to earth and told us to do something immoral I'd follow him.
Besides, Maelles ending kind of shows that they're just creations of a paintress the way they are framed. Dead eyed. Soulless. Inferior.

>>716099216
The game presents them as thinking beings with qualia and provides no evidence to the contrary. It's on you to prove they don't think.

>>716099216
I can't prove that anything thinks other than myself. That's like one of the oldest philosophical conundrums ever.

One can only observe and draw conclusions from their own perspective. They appear to have inner thoughts and emotions and react very much to the meat characters. In the story we are shown and I do not see enough in the game to believe that they are automatons without an inner self.

>>716096738
You got filtered by Act 1.

>>716099460
None of the painted people over the course of the story are mindless slaves to anything a meat person wants. There is a power imbalance that they can be forced to do things but that is the case IRL too.

If I am more much more powerful/influential then you I can get you fired from your job, I can get you addicted to drugs, mindbreak you, sell your to strangers for money, phsycially harm you to compel you to do things. You would would still be a real person even if your will was broken.

>>716100159
That's just because we are also human and the devs can't really portray anything higher than us.
If I met our hypothetical creator and they told us a subset of humans are not worthy I'd believe it.
Besides, gommaging doesn't look painful. I would gladly fade painlessly if the lord can substantiate it.

I hope all you guys who were on Verso's side because the painted people "aren't real" sided with the Great Ones in Bloodborne and never finished the game. That is the substance of your position.

>>716101564
*squelch*

>>716100912
I think that's just you being a servile personality rather than any inditement of how real you are. The entire concept of "creator deity" only bears meaning if the creation is "real". Whether some of the creations are submissive to a creators will or not doesn't have any bearing on the status of their existence rly.

>>716101564
>I hope all you guys who were on Verso's side because the painted people "aren't real"
I sided with Verso because escapism is bad, retard. Sacrifices need to be made to heal. The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

>>716099438
>>716099504
>>716099508
AI sympathisers inbound.

>>716102641
So the well being of one family justifies the erasure of an entire world of thinking living beings?

>>716102641
>sorry Alicia, you need to go back to your crippled, burned, mute body and be in agony all the time
>you have to go back to your mom (who hates you and blames you for your brother's death) and your sister (who's a bitch)
>no you can't be with all the friends you made in Lumiere because they're not actually real, even though they're clearly sentient and have their own thoughts and feelings

>>716103126
She can paint new canvases if she has any talent.

>>716102902
If that family exist in a more real state, then yes. I'd blow up a Minecraft world to save someone's life.

>>716103279
> if she has any talent.
its clearly established she doesn't really. All she can do is copy her mothers' works but not even Renoir can paint new humans, only Aline can. Even Clea can only paint over and badly alter existing Aline creations like pClea.

>>716103510
>Even Clea can only paint over and badly alter existing Aline creations like pClea.
They say it's harder to paint over someone else's creation, but yeah.

You know what I look forward to? Alicia has a typewriter in her room. I'm looking forward to it being revealed that Alicia fucked up in some way and invited the writer's burning of their home - whether she's sided with them, provoked them etc. I don't know. It's the perfect twist to us thinking Aline is a massive cunt.

>>716103646
Wasn't the situation there basically already for the most part established? No exact details, but my impression from the dialogues was she naively trusted the writers and they ended up using that to start the fire. I kind of doubt she sided with them intentionally and knowingly against her family though.

>>716104117
I don't recall that in the game, but it's been a few weeks since I've played it. As far as I remember, the game tries to portray Aline's malice towards Alicia as misdirected anger.

Any Frenchfags know what the writing on the back of the envelope Verso got from painted Alicia said? I didn't see a name on it so I assume it wasn't just "for Verso/Maelle." I wish they had subtitles for that.

Verso wasn't alone, it's pretty much shown that Esquie and Monoco while they liked living also supported him
even having a final group hug
after all, they were creations of the original Verso, they knew he would have preferred this

>>716102902
I'd kill you and your entire bloodline and everyone in your town to save my family and you'd do the same.

>>716104321
In the Act 2 epilogue, Clea explicitly tells Alicia that the writers already used her once against their family
During the Paintress fight, Aline says lines like "Don't you understand what you've done? You killed him" to Alicia, which I believe references her being responsible for Verso's death. Whether or not she believes it's the real Alicia at that point doesn't matter as she could just be venting.
I think there are more references to this but I can't remember them off the top of my head.

>>716104340
"Une vie à rêver" which is something like a life to dream of. It's also one of the song titles on the OST.

>verso's last words
>I don't want this life. Help me.
and yet when maelle says it shes the bad guy, okay

>>716105680
Maelle still can lives somewhat normally even with her injuries, sure it's not easy but she still can, especially with how talented she is as a painter, her father also will keep protecting her and maybe her mother will mellow down
Verso is immortal and will be suffering eternal torment

>>716101564
I was on Verso's side because it's the only one that makes any sense thematically even if it's kinda stupid in the literal sense.
The story of the game is honestly kind of a mess imo and the conflict of the endings felt really forced.
Still my goty though.

>>716105502
My understanding was that the writers attacked, and Verso saved Alicia which resulted in his own death. Not a conspiracy as of yet. I am hoping it unfolds that way, because Aline is outright malicious towards Maelle/Alicia - it would be fun to see that validated.

Why was Verso begging to be unpainted when he was gommaging anyway?

>>716106139
as long little verso exist, Verso will always lives on, even if he lose his memories of his self, a part of him will always KNOWS
Though when he says "I don't want this life" he's probably not just talking about himself, he's also talking about Maelle becoming crazy in the painting

Simon is bullshit

>>716043769
What a retarded post.

>>716081182
I was extremely disappointed with the outfit since it took me like 20 tries to get the timing.

>>716037075 (OP)
He expected Maelle to listen to reason and leave. Instead she lied directly to her father's face and made it clear that she intended to sustain the canvas until it killed her. He decided that he couldn't allow that.

>>716106705
I think he's really fun and fair until he decides to just yeet your entire party with no counterplay near the end.
Whoever on the dev team thought that one up needs a stern talking to.

>>716038636
lmao I did the exact same thing

>>716105680
Maelle wont be alive for 100 years and if she truly hated her life, she can just kill herself. Verso had to go through all this shit to kill himself.

Could someone explain the trip to Old Lumiere in the middle of the story?
Was Aline's "heart" actually at the manor?

>>716063667
Because I want the lives of all the clearly sentient people in Lumiere to go on.

>>716107192
the paintress' real body/manifestation/whatthefuckever was, the big bitch is some kind of extension of that. so technically the curator is also renoir's "heart"

>>716077751
Will the sequel be about a bunch of Alan Wakes?

>>716107363
I hope to God there isn't a sequel but I wouldn't mind a story DLC where you play as Expedition Zero before it all goes to complete shit

>>716107192
Better question is why did Aline open the door for Maelle when is apparently too schizo to reconize her and not Verso who she wants back immensely.

Is the post-game content worth/fulfilling to do? I was highly motivated by the story and now that it's over I'm not exactly excited to do all these extra stuff. The lore expanding ones such as the alicia, clea, simon fights seem interesting but other than that not so much? I've done a few side dungeons and bigger bosses like Sprong and I'm still not feeling it

>>716107695
Not much more story-wise outside of the character-specific quests.

There are some fun bosses and good pictos rewards, but I didn't feel the need to wrap up everything either after the story was over. Might save it for New Game Plus someday.

>>716107695
Not really, especially if you did the character side quest first. Getting journals is informative. The tower gets you some more Clea lines. You can get the Lampmaster and Duelist attacks for Monoko. Both of those have some more kid verso stuff.

>>716037075 (OP)
Is this game any good if I want to play a jrpg with decent combat but im not in the mood for a 60+ hours long ass game?

>>716108087
Actually yes since it can be beaten in 35 and some who rush can probably do it faster. There's a lot of side stuff but its optional.

>>716108176
Can I beat the game on hardest difficulty without grinding if I know what Im doing? I might stick to the main quest only

>>716037075 (OP)
so this board doesnt give a shit about spoilers?

>>716107448
A prequel would fucking suck

Just cleaned out frozen hearts. nice.

>>716108402
Not when the game has been out for 3 months and you willing open the thread

I've heard the studio intends to make more games in the same universe and honestly I cannot see how any game will come close to this one. The "twist" is known and the heavily impacts any potential sequels, direct or indirect. Unless some Writer nonsense happens

>>716108354
If you're good at parrying/dodging which requires good reflexes. I wouldn't try it but some can do it.

>>716108686
>Writer game
>Pulls out a book and writes something in it
>"nothing personell kid"
>Writer's enemies are now gay and forced to suck dicks endlessly for all eternity
How can the paint cucks possibly compete?

Where was real Renoir in the painting? I thought the Curator was a piece and he was trapped in the bottom of the monolith? Doesn't sound too trapped if he's farting everyone away each year

>>716109078
That's what Clea was fighting so desperately to find out

We Lost and Une vie a t'aimer are both HIGHLY overrated

>>716110092
Renoir's battle theme is good but it's two different songs awkwardly mashed together with a car-crash transition between them, especially in the OST version. It needed more time in the oven. I want to like it but it's too rough around the edges.
Also the Ancient Sanctuary battle theme sounds like some shit you'd hear on hold with your credit card company lol.
It's a very good OST for a literally-who composer who has never done one before thoughbeit, the dude clearly has a lot of potential.

>>716037075 (OP)
His idea was that Maelle would leave and both world could live happily ever after. Maelle fucked it up when she became a paint junkie and didn't want to go back

So what was the stuff about the writers vs the painters? Is it just dumb meta writing?

>>716107192
Bad writing
Renoir is trapped inside the monolith except the Curator just strolls wherever he wants
Aline is trapped on top of the monolith except she's in Old Lumiere and capable of leaving the manor if she wants

Why can't they just send the canvas into orbit or to an island or something?

>>716037075 (OP)
You have autism and are unable to understand nuance

E33 shills are out and about today
OP is a nigger

>>716112630
She. Will. Find. It.

>>716102705
Do you think the same thing about people who think Cortana or EDI were people?
Fiction isn't reality. If you think real life AI thinks, you don't understand it. If you think story AI can't think, you're not immersing yourself.

>>716037075 (OP)
He's depressed because he doesn't think canvas people are "real", so he's mentally weak, he also has 0 loyalty.

People who pick Verso are people who are philosophically handicapped and have no concept of things like consciousness and free will.

>>716113570
I suspect many have come to the (correct) conclusion that real life AI (neural networks) can't have consciousness, and then act like this must be true in fiction as well.

As a metaphor you obviously pick the Verso ending. But the literal worldbuilding makes the Lumiere people identical to the painters minus the godlike powers. I think it makes more sense to go with Verso.

>>716113656
>real life AI (neural networks) can't have consciousness

Yet anyway. It's something that has pondered often already in science fiction. If AI gets sufficiently advanced to the point of self awareness it becomes far more difficult to decide it's status as a living being.

Why do people seethe so hard whenever you ask to see gameplay of this game?
It is a game, right?

>>716114653
what is your mental illness?

>>716037848
>Why does Verso care about his figurative AND literal mom?
Gee, good question.

>>716114572
>Yet anyway
Never. Neural networks are (and always will be by definition) just polynoms.
As in, each neural network is one polynom.
Don't try to sell me that polynoms can think.

If we get thinking AI, it will not be through the current neural network stuff.

So basically the ending is man logic vs woman logic?

>>716114771
No need to get upset. I’m just asking for some gameplay footage

>>716114653
>>716116670
is the insinuation it has lesser gameplay because it's turn based? turn based is a very popular form of vidya 2/3 of these mega popular games have been turn based ie bg3/expedition33. you can just youtube expedition 33 boss fights or whatever to see the game loop

>>716090693
>his family can now FINALLY properly mourn and grieve, and move on.
Or fall apart.
>Alicia in some 10 years will look back and thank her brother for doing the right choice and helping her get over it
Or kill herself because her real life is infinitely more shit than Verso's painted one was.

>>716117172
Why would turn based be a lesser form of gameplay? BG3, Xcom2 and EBF5 are some of my favorite games just because how well they implemented the turn based aspects. Why are you so certain that Expedition33 will be so different?

>>716118413
i haven't engaged with the community that much but from my understanding people generally like the gameplay, so it probably wouldn't be different. but the other anon is saying people are afraid to post gameplay and says it's not really a game, it's typical turnbased combat with real time dodging/parrying what does he want to see he can just google it. expedition 33 is on the same tier as black myth and BG3 in terms of gamers jerking it off so it probably did it right

>>716118701
Is it really a turn based game if you are constantly forced to react to the enemies actions?

>>716037075 (OP)

I don't care, man. I just miss Gustave.

>>716116082
Well, that IF we assume that Verso's idea to destroy the canvas is going to fix anything. Because if he's wrong and Alicia's right, she's so fucked in the real world it's not even funny. While Verso is taking an easy way out by comitting suicide.

>>716092264
I want to see him actually interact with his family, what his mannerisms are like, the differences between him and painted verso

>>716105502
>>716106076
The specific line was "Foolish child! You defied me, and now he's DEAD!", that line + the shadow of Aline and Alicia arguing implies that Aline clearly knew Alicia was about to make a big mistake and told her not to but she got "NUH-UH FUCK YOU MOM I DO WHATEVER I WANT"-ed in response

>>716110395
>Ancient Sanctuary battle theme sounds like some shit you'd hear on hold with your credit card company
It sounds like royalty-free music you'd hear in an ad or a shitty youtube video

I disagree with you about une vie a t'aimer though, it's actually good

>>716101564
>That is the substance of your position.
Are you retarded? The ascension ending has the hunter becoming baby Great One while Paintlets can't even leave the painting.

>Pic rel
>The "not real" people use their intellect and technology to create weapons that can be used against their creator
>Successfully fought back and preserve their world while cut out their "gods" from the equation completely
>Cuckpedition 33
>You don't matter if you are not from an art cartel family
>Painted can't even decide the fate of their own world
kneel to a superior writing with the same theme

>>716118842
Yes.

>>716124564
>superior writing means a happy ending
retard

>>716125765
>cant read
illiterate-kun...

I really wish there was a version of 4chan for 30yo+ people with no history of mental health issues....

>>716126302
>can't write
illiterate-kun...

>>716127143
I accept your concession, I know I won when you just parrot what you read

What was the deal with Goblu? The game made it seem like a big deal that he "only attacked when we touched the flowers" and then never touches on that plot point again.

>>716127837
The game had a clear narrative switch roughly halfway through where it was clear it was going in an "afterlife" and "cycles" direction, but instead they changed to the Dessendre reddit netflix family drama after the writer realized the people of Lumiere were a bunch of losers and her self insert wasn't chosen enough.

>>716118257
>Or fall apart.
Already did
>Or kill herself because her real life is infinitely more shit than Verso's painted one was.
Happens in Maelle ending
The only way to have a chance to fix things is by moving forward. But like everything in life there isn't a 100% chance except when you give up
>>716124564
>happy ending
>this means better writing

Are you going to ignore the entire writing just because you got upset that killing god isn't feasible?

>>716099438
Do you think that's the same Lune from Act1&2?

>>716127552
A retard who declares victory is still a retard.

>>716037075 (OP)
Because he thought Alicia was going to leave to canvas, only for her to fall into the same trap as her mother.

>>716124564
This game has an anime art style which makes all the chongs and troons that hate Japan and use 33 as a hammer against JRPGs (despite not finishing or sometimes even playing the game) seethe ergo it doesn't matter how good the story is relative to Verso's self-insert adventures.

>>716124564
Isn't this the Star Ocean where it gets revealed that they are just video game characters in a game that's loosely based on a historical event in the Star Ocean series?

>just after old lumiere. Level 35
>mistimed a parry and got lune (my res bot) killed which stopped my res to shield loop
>I have no more shields / res potions
>need to parry like a madman now
>my butthole is clenched
Wish me luck bros

>>716128629
Has nothing to do with artstyle anyways, DQXI was big success too
JRPGs stagnated and became even more niche but not the good anime kind, the garbage anime kind. You know, where everything is just tossed in which results in flat characters, shitty story/worldbuilding and a rushed ending where stuff just barely makes sense.
E33 did some things really well, for example you don't have to go through 3hours of garbage exposition. Game starts, stuff is happening and you figure it out as you go.

>>716129017
Yes, and that was far more retarded than this game.

>>716123726
He'd probably kickflip over a bench where a crying PVerso is sitting and crying.
Probably bitch about his bitch mother, his scary big sister and the little nerd that never visited a canvas and just reads all day in her room which is in a fucking mansion
And when his dad is durnken enough, he asks him for money because he needs new strings for his next gig in the pub downtown

>>716129171
Good luck

>>716129171
>3 gradients
just phoenix lol

>>716128293

>Do you think that's the same Lune from Act1&2?

Yeah I assume when characters are gommaged their lifeforce is just converted into chroma. Maelle is just changing that energy back kinda like how transporters work in Star Trek. I don't think she was actually powerful enough to make humans from scratch only Aline seemed to actually be capable of that

>>716130075
I think the key is that Maelle had to envision their essence rather than just doing an effective copy paste. In our real world terms we would think of it as an understudy trying to replicate their master's masterpiece and those had varying levels of success.

>>716129175
>I've only ever played Persona the post
SEAmonkey.

>>716098159
>magic bullshit time dilating painting that you can enter
>soul fragments
>...
>GUISE ITS ROBUTS AND AI

>>716130297
What the fuck are you talking about?
Persona is one of the worst offenders, especially 4 takes forever until you get to the fucking game
Also the writing/characters from 2 are unmatched

This game makes me wish i had an older brother that loved me

>>716130075
Everything is converted back to chroma. That's like the whole point of Nevrons
>Maelle is just changing that energy back kinda like how transporters work in Star Trek.
In a completely different location? It's not like she picks up their energy, she just remembers them.

>>716130785
>magic bullshit
Yes
>soul fragments
That's like part of art, each piece is a part of you. The essence of the painter is heart of the painting. That's why it's a little boy Verso who is painting.

The ones that keep it real are Verso's creations (Monoco, Esquie) and pVerso

>>716131235
>wanted to leave Lumiere all her life
>suddenly wants to live there
>spend all day reading in her room
>never visited a canvas with Verso or Clea
>suddenly wants to live in Verso's canvas
>deletes her painted version so she's the only little sister

Aline should burn her again

>>716131504
I wonder if the price Aline mentioned to Renoir after rescuing him was the loss of identity. Being in a painting doesn't necessarily create addiction as long as you know who you are, but it's especially devastating if you're seeking something that the painting has.

>>716037848
either masterful bait or the dumbest post on /v/ this year

>>716131275
>It's not like she picks up their energy
She clearly does, just as they're about to leave Lumiere she says "I can see them!" and gathers a bunch of chroma around her hand

>>716128132
holy retard

>>716037075 (OP)
Something something sex with sis idk

>>716113570
>>716114572
Lol retard

>>716037075 (OP)
I still dont understand painted Renoir's motivations

>>716040589
What maybe you don't manage to understand that is Verso wants to cease to exist but other painted character don't.

By changing his mind about the fate of the canvas, he is dooming all other inhabitants of that world, which is not what he wanted at first.

He is changing his mind only when he clearly see his mother, a real person, suffering.

>>716113656
>>716113570
Is there really free will when those characters are made that way?
Is PVerso because his experiences or because mother thinks of Verso that way?
Same applies to the other painted characters as well.

>>716132228
He wanted to protect Aline (Paintress) since that's how she painted him. Like the real Renoir, he didn't want to lose his family (painted Verso and painted Alicia, probably pClea too).

>>716042779
Instead of bringing old expeditions back so Verso would maybe overcome the sadness of killing his beloved, Maelle prefers to put him with Lune and gave him a child. Total madness

>>716131504
>never visited a canvas with Verso or Clea
>suddenly wants to live in Verso's canvas
i imagine 16 years in the painting would do that to you

>>716131235
Man this game really shows how oldest siblings are constantly just overlooked, especially an eldest daughter. Clea is so much more responsible and dependable. If painted Verso is an accurate representation of actual verso he's a flakey liar. In the real world he'd be the druggy burn-out that loves his younger sibling so much but then steals from well meaning parents who still think he's great while the oldest makes sure their retirement money and house isn't foreclosed on.

>>716133318
The whole family loved Verso and he loved them, the whole reason he manipulates everyone is to save his (real) family from themselves, because he prioritizes them over the people in the Canvas.

>>716133565
He wants to hurt Lune and Sciel so he should be chained to the piano forever

>>716132364
They are as free as someone outside the canvas at least.

>>716132364
Aline is trapped in the monolith and all those characters she created keep trying to murder her. If she was active control of their personalities why not point them at Renoir instead.

I chose the Maelle ending because I wanted Gustave to be happy
Simple as

>>716133565
meanwhile, Renoir goes and draws He Who Guards Truth With Lies

clearly twostave was always a bullshitter

>>716118701
dualliste looks flashy but he is the second easiest story boss after esquie