Thread 716044497

Finally more good fire emblem.

3 games
Keep stacking

>>716044497 (OP)
god i hope not, three houses had such ugly graphics and character portraits
engage was ugly in a different way but three houses just felt low quality
they just need to go back to their old aesthetics

3H attracted some of the worst fucking "fans" on this earth. Its clear these fuckers don't even like playing video games, they want a weeb soap opera. Such unbearable cunts they are. Nintendo will rape and defile every one of their franchises to make a buck, won't they. FE is dead and it's better this way

>>716044497 (OP)
>No mention of 3H
>Just a sequel to the series which everyone knows is coming eventually
>For some reason this means it's time to talk about 3H again out of nowhere
I don't get it

>>716044497 (OP)
If it isn't like 3H, I don't want it.

>>716045119
>FE is dead and it's better this way
fe has been dead since awakening, if you think otherwise you're clowns
can't believe it took them 8 billion years to have the idea of "maybe not all enemies are humans, maybe some enemies can be more than 1 tile" a concept every other game on the planet reached 30 years ago
just wait, give them another few decades and they might come up with the idea of verticality in their terrain and map design

>>716044497 (OP)
They're blowing their exclusive load too early considering they only do one entry per series per console

>>716045852
>the idea of verticality in their terrain and map design
They did this back in 2007

>>716045852
>verticality in their terrain and map design
but then it will be final fantasy tactics instead of fire emblem

>>716045852
every game with "verticality" has no map design to begin with, just fighting on a chess board

>>716045119
>implying fire emblem didn't already die a violent death when awakening came out with more
anon, awakening is literally sword art online levels of quality in terms of design, story, and gameplay. the last good game was radiant dawn

>>716047051
Tactics Ogre does some good things with it but then the endgame is flier/flier gear spam that invalidates all the map design.

>>716047051
Nah Unicorn Overlord did its map design pretty well. Unlike Shitter Shitlem

>>716045864
Like Fire Emblem, the series with two main games and two spinoffs on Switch?

>>716047231
>flier spam
sounds like FE

>>716044497 (OP)
I hope the sequel will be about how Byleth plaps Rhea, Shez and Shamir

>>716047312
>Shitter Shitlem
You can do better than that man

>>716047357
You don't play fire emblem.
(You) don't even play games.

Who the hell cares, where's the porn

>>716045362
because the armchair investors don't want to admit their blackpilling about engage didn't work, so they'll post rumors with a 3h image to imply it's a 3h sequel instead of IS moving onto another project.

>>716047357
Recruiting flier dudes is also something you can do early and is similarly strong and invalidating of the map design. It's fine when you're working with the one unique flier.

>>716046080
I am both surprised and disappointed they never brought ledges back.

reminder that intsys' last original FE was 10 full years ago

>>716047430
>

Three house bad
Engage goos

>>716047419
Man it’s 5 in the morning. This is the best I got until I fully wake up nigga

>>716044497 (OP)
It better be. The last one sucked.

>>716047582
>Engage goos

>>716047565
Reclassing was a mistake

I'm finna be deadass with you, Milord.

Nobody plays fire emblem for the gameplay by itself

>>716045803
This. IS stopped being able to make good FE. Just hand the series to KT.

If this new emblem game is made by KT and outsells Engage 2:1 despite being on a console with an install base of ~5 million, every single ISfag and EngageIdiot is obligated to publicly livestream their suicide.

>>716047565
wyvern riders are cool but I bet this thing only works on normal and maybe hard

>>716048004
The last time I read a Fire Emblem story was Fates, but I've played all the games since then.

>>716047994
this whats the fucking point when anyone can be anything

>>716045119
3H will bring 3 more years of endless "SHE WAS RIGHT" shitposting and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>716045852
>>716047221
>Muh gba ;_;

>>716048465
>when anyone can be anything
that's not true
Boys can't be pegasus knights

>>716047312
What fucking verticality does UO have? Are we just posting nonsense now?

>>716048248
And what if it doesn’t? What are 3HRTs obligated to do?

>>716045119
3Hfags would be fine if they didn't selectively pick what lore they like and decry that lore they don't like isn't canon. They throw huge shitfits on important lore like how Edelgard's father executed women and children. Edelgard's hideout in the empire is land that belonged to a family he executed down to the children, but they pretend never happened because heckin' wholesome yuri dictator good.

>>716048248
Hope they'll make fully voiced protag this time around
Just like Shez and toothpaste-chan

>>716048624
Play Unicorn Overlord. 3rd continent is full of verticality that only flying units can overcome.

>>716048340
No, I played Maddening and the optimal strategy is absolutely running like 70% Wyverns or Falcon Knights (which are effectively the same thing). You run maybe 1 or 2 archers to whittle things down, 1 support mage and 1 dancer.
Fliers just actively get better stat growths than cavs while getting better movement than everyone else, and the lack of class weapon lock outside of fists being infantry only means weapon access can't be used as a balancing factor.

>>716048675
Hell no, we need to go back to MyUnit. Robin and Corrin are the best protags that are supposed to be “self-inserts”. Mark is dogass, Alear is gay as fuck, Byleth is….Byleth

>>716048465
Fates did it fine, everyone gets 2 classes by default and can potentially get 2 more through supports. You have to think about how you want to distribute your limited classes and if the support grind is worth it.

>>716048840
didn't play that shit

>>716048876
Literally the 3rd best Modern Fire Emblem game nigga(Awakening-EnGAYge)

At least a few Mages are incredibly good in Three Houses once they get range boosting relics, so not mentioning them as useful at all is a red flag. There's room in your army for 3-4 magic users if not more, easily.

>>716048637
Edeltards being woke morons is especially ironic when her political stances are absurdly fascist.

>>716048840
yeah branching promotions are the best

>>716048876
>I don't play video games
t. Typical /feg/ger

>>716049021
>you should play bad games!
how about just the good ones.

>>716045803
3H was full of asset reuse and the campaigns were still rushed and unfinished. I hope the next game isn't like 3H

>>716049134
Name one FE game that isn’t just asset reuse

>>716048496
Show those fags a picture of Ingrid and they'll break down crying calling her and you racist

>>716049168
I wish she had more STR.

>>716049064
>how about just the good ones.
So Fates

>>716044497 (OP)
Three Hopes was fun. I'm still hoping for Xenoblade Warriors before any new Fire Emblem title.

>>716044497 (OP)
I didn't like Three Houses. I thought it was a terrible Fire Emblem game, but I can concede that it at least succeeded in being an engaging school/social sim. I don't think it's a particularly goo school/social sim, but that's neither here nor there. So, I say this without an ounce of exaggeration; a Three Houses 2, with the kind of fans and the gameplay that would come with it, would genuinely be the death of Fire Emblem.

>>716049165
nta but 3H has taken it to a whole new level
there's like 2 maps that are completly unique, everything else is shared between routes

>>716048752
My units are gay
Lords like Roy are the best
Byleth themselves would've been better as fully voiced lord character

>>716048687
I played it for several hundred hours. You realize FE also has no-fly zones, right? That isn't equivalent to verticality mechanics. UO is flat as fuck.

>>716048496
>mention radiant dawn
>adhd esl retard calls me a gbatard
concession accepted saar

>>716049235
Sometimes you just gotta make her Hilda lite. Go down the fighter line and pray she gets good str level ups. Even then you'll still get shit like this

Now I want to play Three Houses. I think I will. I never did Silver Snow, but I think I'll do Crimson Flower anyway.

>>716048637
I wouldn't mind 3Hfags at all if they didn't have horrific taste in what is fun to play.
The one fucking time we get a half-decent story in an FE game and it brings in a horde of players who think tea time and running around an empty hub are the pinnacle of gameplay.
Engage gameplay was great but didn't sell as well so now instead of getting the best of both worlds we're going to end up with 3H2, now with even shittier maps because personatards only care about reading the next badly localized support conversation.

>>716049361
has no-fly zones and flying-only zones*
example of the latter

>*makes edelgard give up all her plans*
>*installs all his friends in positions of power and ensures everything stays in the family*
>*maintains the status quo despite edelgard conquering the continent to break it*
>*becomes prime minister and ends up ruling the entire continent*
why is edelfart so stupid?

>>716049168
hope that the next FE wouldn't be 100% woke and we will still have someone based like Ingrid who rejects lesbians and hates black

>>716049538
>why is edelfart so stupid
She was raped by the slithery people and that messed with her brain too much

>>716049324
Roy is the biggest faggot not only in his game, but in the entire franchise. A stain on Eliwood’s legacy. Carried by Smash Bros “Hype Moments and Aura”. Also Sakurai’s version of Roy isn’t even canon to the actual Roy in FE6 lmao.

>>716049365
who needs STR when you can just double and crit everything

What was wrong with verticality in Radiant Dawn. Other ledges being kinda broken I think there was a good mix of up hill battles where your units needed to secure ledges and defense maps where you could use them as choke points.

>>716049538
Who is she gonna put in place of nobility though, nobles are basically just fancy adiminstrators
Also does nobility include the imperial line or will the emperor keep existing as an all powerful position?

>>716049304
>an engaging school/social sim
Eh. 3H is pretty trash compared to even something like P4 that came out over 10 years ago. The school content is shallow and the scenes that are pre-rendered are low effort.

>>716044497 (OP)
>good fire emblem.
hahahaha
never again

>>716049745
>nobles are basically just fancy adiminstrators
Historically, no. That was usually the church.

>>716048496
Anyone who thinks Edeltard was right needs an immediate lobotomy

>>716049746
>the scenes that are pre-rendered are low effort.
What is with koei and their pre-rendered cutscenes?
Is their engine incapable of having in-game cutscenes?

>>716049664
I want Ingrid's str to be high so she can choke me

>>716049664
>crits for 2x2 damage
>fails to dodge and dies to the counter attack
nothing personell anon

>>716049538
Because she's the Agathan's Manchurian candidate and can't seem to understand how dumb it is that she believes what the people who tortured her for years said about the Church.

>>716049793
She was right about most things, her big error was mostly just not caring about history and refusing to work with people like Dmitiri and Claude.

>>716048740
Fliers cant use grounded battalions/adjutants. The second one is whatever for most people but the first one is a problem because there's only like three good ones (and 1 for mages). The easiest to use one is locked to VW.
Banes/Availability make going for it a waste of time.
If you dont have good stats or CA, then it doesnt help your combat as much as Sniper or Grappler.
Growth mods are a meme. +10% is just +1 over 10 levels.

>>716049642
>Muh localized Eliwood ;_;
Eliwood sucks.

>>716049894
Ingrid's strength is not that low
Plus she has tons of skills that boost her avoid

>>716049935
The only thing she was right about was the power disparity and the clear abuse of power by certain parties. She was wrong about everything else.

>>716044497 (OP)
hope you enjoy Engage 2

why are racist girls so cute?

>>716050038
2x effectiveness cucks so many units in 7 because its blatantly balanced around it.

>>716050130
Because god knew that's the perfect kind of woman

>>716048840
Have to agree with this, limited reclass ability that makes sense is vastly better than "lmao anyone can be anything".
Shame every other character was basically a lord-lite narratively though.

>>716045119
you have run a discord general for how many years now to gaslight yourselves about your vtuber awakeningbaby game?

>>716050029
>Muh battalions
You get enough to field majority fliers and still have your broken stuns, and the stats + evade make them dominate over other unit types.

>>716050130
>inherently trusts less men due to her own biases
Perfect.

>>716045119
I'm a normal FE fan
3H is objectively better than Engage

>>716049726
I don't think there's anything "wrong" with RD's verticality, but despite its presence, it didn't ever factor into the map design in a particularly relevant, memorable way. Verticality is one of those overhyped mechanics that seems to exist for its own sake, or perhaps to be a band-aid for a total lack of genuinely interesting map design. FE eschews verticality for the most part because it doesn't need it - its maps actually have interesting shit going on in them, rather than being stacked tic-tac-toe boards.

>>716045119
Dramatic and miserable little git, this one.

>>716046080
>They did this back in 2007
No, they really didn't, they have barely included any verticality in their designs. Like rd had the castle defense map that had 2 sets of stairs on it and a raised platform. On a scale of 1-100 in actually using vertical design, that's like a 5 at best it's the first babystep which should have led to much better and more varied design.
Radiant dawn is however the best fire emblem game by a country mile so that checks out.

>>716046928
So it'll be better is what you're saying? Fire emblem is not a magic genre of its own, it's just an srpg, like every other srpg. It should obviously take ideas and inspiration from other srpgs that are good and that did things better than they did. FFT is not the only srpg to make use of verticality, infact almost all of them post snes era do

>>716047051
Are you brain damaged or something? Fire emblem is also just fighting on a chess board lil gup idk what you think it is but you are apparently incorrect, it's just fighting on a less interesting chessboard.
>noooo bro i love giant open fields and deserts that are just completely flat with no features whatsoever its so poggers

>>716047231
Every srpg is flying unit spam, fe is no different your dragonknight or pegasus knight solos a bunch of shit. I'm playing tactics ogre right now actually, and it does it well desu. You only get one flier in the story, you have to go out of your way to recruit generics at 25% chance you cant just buy them, and a single flier can't really solo anything. It's only potd pit design that makes flying a big deal

>>716050053
I would say she was 100% right that Rhea has no business being in charge of the continent. Also that the Kingdom and Alliance were generally bad countries that need to be wiped out. Even working with the Slithers isn't a bad idea considering she always held all of the cards, seemingly, and pretty effortlessly wiped them out after dealing with her other enemies.

>>716050257
>trusts less men
yeah, true...

>>716050561
technically speaking Dedue's is non romantic

>>716050561
>people call her racist
>can marry a mutt or a nigger

>>716047994
It was always a mistake from the first time they started adding retard seals in awakening or wherever. Your units should be a base class, with branching promotions, not able to all just be whatever you want. Honestly even early fe's where it had the system of "okay you can make anyone anything but you can only have 4 dragons total" was still retarded. The only reason this system works even remotely in something like fft is because your unit cap in fft is consistently 4 or 5 max, it never goes above that ever

The Lion girls mog the other houses so bad it's embarrassing. Dimitri's so lucky

>Takeshi Maruyama
Does anyone know who this is? I found the article linked in the OP and the only thing I can glean is that he's a 3D modeller who worked with Sega in the past. Did he actually work on 3H or why is the 3H picture posted there?

>>716050506
>fighting on a less interesting chess board
Show me a map from your favorite irrelevant SRPG that that looks like this >>716049504, or shut up. The "genre" is rife with low-effort isometric schlock. FE even continuing to put chests and villages on its map is practically a miracle, considering the competition.

I think it's hilarious you accuse FE maps of being open deserts, when that's all the competition is - open fields of stacked legos. FE maps are in fact full of terrain, they just don't have your meme verticality, which in any case amounts to a lazy patchwork kind of terrain (has movement cost and combat bonuses associated with it), but fools your chicken nugget brain into thinking it's something deeper.

>>716050742
*blocks your path*

>>716050841
She's an honorary Lion

>>716048624
he's wrong on that one, uo has no verticality. it has a bunch of terrain that no other units can cross sure, but it's not actually vertical design you can make use of in any way whatsoever. i guess you could argue that garrisoning in towers giving archers more range is *kind of* a very small piece of vertical design doing the same as what some additional height would do in other srpgs, but that's a bit of a stretch.
there was nothing stopping uo from having vertical design either, no reason they couldn't put a big fucking spiral spire on a map that you had to go around and up whilst a cunt sat at the top pelting you or whatever

>>716050874
Almost as retarded as calling Lysithea a honorary beagle

>>716050874
Lion'ed by Dimitri

>>716050919
bred by the boar

>>716050904
Nothing wrong with that
She is like Edelgard but small and cute

>>716050506
>It's only potd pit design that makes flying a big deal
Yeah, and this is pretty surmountable too, there's just no reason to subject yourself to that, or to subject yourself to manually playing PotD at all without heavy restrictions to make things interesting, but that's a separate issue entirely.

>>716050902
>he's wrong on that one
Yeah, I know he is. Just a typical brainlet running off at the mouth about things he doesn't comprehend. They're always the most opinionated.
Hilarious to praise UO for things FE has had since 1990 (flier-exclusive zones).

I'm so genuinely fucking exhausted with Fodlan and anything related to it.
Is FE just eternally cursed with discussion regarding it now? Despite having nearly 20 fucking games, we need to exclusively talk about 1-2 of them?

>>716051113
It's either that or more Priam debates

>>716050984
Except she thinks that it was the empire the tortured and murdered her family
Joining at swordpoint like she does in CF is the only way I can see it happen.
Recruting in general should've been much more restricted, especially in CF. It's just silly that you can recruit basically everybody to kill their families, butcher their friends and burn their homeland because they like their highschool teacher.
For a game that storyfags love the jerk off this is just ridicolous.

>>716050221
Not having enough good batts to go around is a legit demerit especially when you have authoritylets like Hilda who pretty much has to use Claude's C rank one because she'll never qualify for Seteth or Ingrid's sidequest stuff in a hurry.
Meanwhile, the lance users can stay in Paladin for most maps and dont care because their offensive profile is similar and you get to use the billion high stat grounded stuff.
The stuns/stride/dance are just the tip of the good grounded stuff. You get to run shit like counter attack too.

>>716051113
Genealogy could have some pretty interesting discourse if people actually bothered to play it. Best non Fodlan discussions I've seen online are mostly about the likes of Ishtar or Arvis.

Rest of the games just don't really allow themselves to have that much discourse. The villains are always obviously bad and the heroes are always obviously good. Even more complex villains like Lyon aren't that fun to discuss since their stories don't leave a lot of room for interpretation.

>>716051113
It's the equivalent of Fates but it managed to capitalize on the Persona fanbase that were begging for 5 to be ported to the switch. So imagine their glee when they see this fantasy game with a school and calendar system with braindead combat was an option for the switch.

In fact if you look at online metrics and word mentions you can see that discussions around three houses took a nosedive the moment P5 Royal came to the switch.

>>716051113
i can say without doubt. more Fodlan would have zero interest from me

>>716050817
Anon, I don't know what to tell you but "this tile gives 10% evade, this tiles gives 10% def" is not map design, it is not features, it is irrelevant.
And almost every srpg has terrain effect anyway whether they have verticality included in their design or not. It is just fucking meaningless in impact, it is never ever a consideration
>muh chests and villages
Literally every single person that plays these games just googles the fucking reward sheet so they can ignore any chest or village that isn't something actually useful and not a potion or 1000g or a generic sword. Yeah, sure, having other things on the map as objectives is good, but it is not magically the greatest thing ever that means all your maps are excellent and interesting and don't need any other design avenues. Verticality is not a meme just because you dislike it buddy, it facilitates different approaches in gameplay and tactics when present.
Shining force 2 has chests everywhere, terrain effect bonuses, terrain movement penalties and no veriticality, it's a great srpg but it's also a game from 35 fucking years ago that has had basically no iterations or development since (shining force 3 actually included a bunch of vertical design! big surprise), there is no excuse for an srpg still currently being made to not have developed more interesting design beyond that to keep people engaged and challenged further.

>>716051243
Most of the characters have pretty shitty parents though
I guess not in Lysithea's case, she actually cares about them
Imo, it is better to be able to recruit the characters than just being forced to kill them even if it does not always make sense story-wise.
Maybe they should've added option to spare / capture them or something

>>716051321
I don't care for story discussion either, which is what makes all this talking about 3H even more annoying. There's not much to say about 3H's story beyond "Edelgard is a fucking retard and almost ruined everything". There's genuinely more to say about the gameplay, and even then it's just calling out how bad most of the decisions are compared to something like Fates or Engage. FE has always been substantially more interesting because of the gameplay to me, but we can't talk about that because people are still arguing over fucking Edelgard.

>>716051526
Okay, so you're not even making an argument at this point. Just stating that you use guides to play FE, and that you personally believe FE terrain bonuses are too small or something. Cool. Just understand that this amounts to a matter of your personal taste, not a design critique.
Also I still think you're still an idiot for confusing UO mountain ranges for "verticality". I almost can't take anything else you say seriously on that basis alone.

>>716051818
I was just watching someone speedrun FE3. Shame they didn't stream longer.

>>716051113
this is what happens when a niche franchise has a breakout game that attracts a horde of roasties and normies
kind of funny how this happened twice for fire emblem but at least awakening is old enough for awakeningbabies to assimilate for the most part. I don't see the same happening for 3Hbabies because their visceral reaction to engage means they're probably not interested in playing anything other than 3H

>>716051818
NTA but terrain is genuinely irrelevant in a lot of maps (for your units) either due to a lack of it or being placed in areas that are out of the way from the action. Its the effect on movement that matters more often than not when it comes up.

>>716051113
you know a thread is shit when there's 2 people spamming paragraphs about how edelgard was LE GOOD or LE BAD for the 20th time in a week

>>716051761
Gameplay suffers from the fact that most games are solved at this point. One of the reasons Ironman routes are more popular nowadays is because they can potentially break habits people have build up replaying games over and over again.

>>716052196
that just sounds like a regular 3H thread

>>716050513
>considering she always held all of the cards, seemingly, and pretty effortlessly wiped them out after dealing with her other enemies.
If you actually believe this you are retarded.

>>716052231
you are starting to get it

>>716052230
>Ironman breaks habits
They just encourage different habits.

>>716045119
Fire Emblem got ruined with Awakening anyway so who cares

based Edelgard would've purged half of the people in this thread
It sucks that you need to kill her in order to marry Rhea but it can't be helped

>>716045852
Conquest and Engage had better gameplay than every other Fire Emblem that came before them except New Mystery Lunatic and maybe Binding Blade.

>>716045362
Because 3H was the best selling game in the franchise by far?

>>716052179
Terrain in FE = the sum of all dynamic, non-plains tile effects. This includes shit like thrones, forts, forests, water, mountain, peak, miasma, poison, ice, disappearing/moving, dragon vein, etc. etc. Some of this comes with bonuses or penalties, some doesn't. They can be quite significant, or irrelevant, depending on the map context. There's no one-size-fits-all rule.
If you actually look, FE is full of impactful terrain. It's nearly one of the things that sets it apart from other SRPGs - the variety of terrain.
This anon has just laser focused on verticality specifically and decided that specifically is what's needed for dynamic map design, which is blatantly false.

>>716052409
I wish Rhea and Edelgard actually got a chance to debate each other like Dmitiri and Edelgard did. I find their rivalry far more interesting, frankly.

verticality was already tried in RD and was already proven to be shit
just let it go bruh it's over

You guys don't savescum when a unit dies right?

>>716044497 (OP)
>10 more years of 3 Houses discourse

>>716051818
>Also I still think you're still an idiot for confusing UO mountain ranges for "verticality". I almost can't take anything else you say seriously on that basis alone.
Except that wasn't me retard, I corrected that poster. You are desperate to find anything to cling to in order to dismiss what you already know is true but don't like for some reason lmao, to the point you're trying to attribute various posts to the same person to satisfy your threshold for dismissal. I feel sorry for you lad
It is not personal opinion that terrain bonuses are an irrelevant factor 99% of the time in srpgs, because your game balance makes them irrelevant even if your placement doesn't - and more than half the time that is what makes it irrelevant.
>noooo it's totally great trust me
>0 out of 1000 players actually make use of it, pay attention to it, or care about it but it's definitely impactful
Weak argument fella

>>716045119
>FE is dead and it's better this way

It’s been dead for 13 years anon

>>716052657
the fact not doing that is considered some sort of special challenge mode by people should tell enough about that

Nemesis did nothing wrong

>>716052230
>Gameplay suffers from the fact that most games are solved at this point.
In terms of being optimal maybe but FE as a whole has a ton of variety depending on who you use and how they level and whatever.

>>716052513
>spends an entire paragraph describing the exact terrain effects that literally every single srpg has
Time well spent mate, yep.

>>716052489
>New Mystery Lunatic
>good
I'm sick of this opinion.

>>716052598
>verticality was already tried in the singular fe game that has been good in decades, and the peak of the series by a massive margin
>please don't do that again keep making sub par barely even mediocre slop instead
There's a timeline somewhere where every single game after rd was as good as rd and shared the same design principles, and you faggots don't have to be listened to every thread anymore regurgitating the same shit clinging to shadow dragon

>>716052771
>gimmick boss vs what's probably a low difficult mode version of the fight

>>716052583
Even if Rhea was open to it, Edelgard would just use it as an opportunity to kill her. Seriously you'd think she'd actually try to get the other side of the story instead of just blindly believing the group that caused her suffering and the suffering of all of Fodlan from the shadows.. but nope! Church bad apparently.

>>716045362
>For some reason this means it's time to talk about 3H again out of nowhere

Why is the topic of FE in a general sense always use the 3H boxart then, yeah sure it sold the most but not even characters specific to it show up here in the list of franchises by Nintendo

>>716052489
>pair up
>good gameplay
pick one and only one, they are incompatible

>>716044497 (OP)
You can´t make a sequel to 3H because of its route split nature.
>>716045119
Also this.

>>716052750
>>716052867
>It is not personal opinion that terrain bonuses are an irrelevant factor 99% of the time in srpgs
Who cares about other shitty SRPGs? I'm talking about Fire Emblem, buddy. FE is bursting with terrain.
Here's another for you - warp tiles (Thracia). Non-flying zones, as mentioned. Holes (Tellius). Ward tiles. Castles (Genealogy). I could go on and on.
It's self evident that other games are just not trying. I don't want it that way, I'd love if there were more SRPGs with map deisgn. There aren't, which is why you latch on to dumb shit like verticality. I'd love you to prove me wrong with a single example, show me a game I'm missing out on. Post some good non-FE SRPG map design, or stop dragging your irrelevant shit into FE threads.

>>716047316
Oh and 8 characters in a some crossover party fighting game for some godforsaken reason

>>716052975
radiant dawn is trash and you are literally the only person who acts like it's god's greatest gift to mankind
it's the same brand of garbage as genealogy and 3H where everything regarding map and gameplay design is horrible but people pretend that they are something more because they have some pretentious story behind it
quite literally the movieslop of FE

>>716052583
Too bad they made Rhea go conviently insane in CF so Edelgards views are never challenged, can't have our waifufags think too hard

>>716047419
NTA but there’s

>Fart Emblem
>FEcal Matter

Or the usual Dating Sim Chess

Funny how OP twisted this to be about 3H even though the quote doesn't mention it and the Twitter poster most likely used the image just because it's the most popular FE and thus would bring the most clicks to his tweet.

>>716053320
sounds like genealogy is a good game

>>716050362
That's where I think you're wrong. FE is one of the few strategy games that actually uses verticality for good map design and story telling. Like the Dawn Brigade having to fight to the top of the tower where Jerod and his men have basically entrenched themselves for the last stand. Or the Dawn Brigade having to find off both the Benignon enoire and Crimean forces, but they are defending a hill where you can use your position to pick off units and roll rocks down on them without getting over run.

>>716050513
>she was 100% right that Rhea has no business being in charge of the continent
Rhea wasn't in charge of the continent. You're as delusional as Edelgard.

>>716053320
Radiant Dawn has good maps though. Elincia's Gambit and 3-10 are some of the most memorable maps in the franchise.

>>716047557
Then again 2015 was the worst year to be a Nintendo fan altogether

Doesn’t anyone still unironically miss Satoru Iwata?

>>716048637
>heckin' wholesome yuri dictator
she's player sexual. which makes her bi at worst(like every woman in existence).

>>716053242
>Warp Tiles
>Two maps
>Holes
>One map per game (aka a gimmick)
Even games like TO have fucking instant death pits if you cant fly and get knock backed into them

>>716050130
They just are

Threadly Reminder of the overly defensive modern fans

>>716053464
I guess so. I still feel like verticality is a giant fucking meme. You could do this same map, or at least something conceptually similar, without programmed geometric "tiering." Verticality is just another way of handling terrain, but anons treat it like some kind of god-tier solution to design that FE is missing, and I just find that silly. It's the terrain and design that are important, not how precisely they're implemented.
Like in your pic related, it pretty much plays out like a typical entrenched defense map with fliers going into to snipe key targets. The rocks are equivalent to ballistae and traditional siege weapons that are often available in said maps.

>>716044497 (OP)
>Doesn't say it's Fire Emblem
>Doesn't say it's Three Houses 2
>UHHHH GUISE IT'S THREE HOUSES 2

>>716053610
>Splatoon
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
Has it really been ten years?

>>716053864
It's either FE or fucking Mario vs Rabbids and we both know which of those is more likely.

Why would you even want three houses 2? have you read the shit ISIS wrote in the DLC and free copes?

>>716054129
how bad was the 3hopes story? never played it

>>716053645
>uhhh FE has bespoke maps, rather than running shit into the ground
What is your fucking point, exactly? Obviously nothing will ever satisfy you, because you have this weird hate axe to grind with FE terrain.
Fates literally has dynamic terrain you can alter with your magic dragon god powers. Engage has ice tiles that you can slide around on at sonic speed, fire tiles that halt movement and do damage, iceberg tiles that you can cast from a staff, poison-fog tiles that destroy your defenses and put enemy defenses on steroids.
It's clear that FE is always experimenting and doing cool shit with its terrain, but you're acting like it's just "10% avoid," "plus-one defense." Still waiting on those other SRPG maps btw.

>>716054081
Sure, but it's a brand new game, not a sequel to 3H

>>716048248
3H just had a lot of luck and good marketing I guess, and coming out early in the Switch 1’s life

>>716053804
Verticality adds another consideration to movement since you often have to consider someone's jump stat and if it'll allow you to traverse the map faster. Some weapons also dont mesh well with height gaps and accuracy concerns can be a problem at times as well.
For example, if verticality didnt exist in RD, there are a lot of maps where horses would be considerably better because they wouldnt be memed on by terrain forcing them to take the long way compared to infantry/fliers.

There's a place for both types of design.

>>716053682
Fates and Engage isn't deflection when it's talking about the quality of the game.

>>716054504
Jump stat (cost) is literally just movement cost, which FE has had since day 1. I'm not against verticality. I just want anons to understand what it IS they're asking for. It's not this magic solution to map design. It's the same shit in a different package, and it doesn't automatically make map design more interesting. Hardly. Otherwise the games with it wouldn't be so unremittingly shit in this respect.

>>716050742
>Blue Lions
3 basic bitches
>Black Eagles
A slut, an ESL, a war criminal and a le quirky character that would feel at home in the 3ds games
Deer girls are the only real option.

>>716054129
what is wrong with the DLC outside of that it is poorly integrated into the main story and that the new characters have crests and relics of some 4 sages that don't really fit into the lore

>>716054636
What game other than Radiant Dawn had it?

>>716054712
>Deer girls are the only real option.
A suicidal church girl, a bitchy tomboy, a slut, and an evil diabetic goblin

>>716054840
Anon, I'm saying FE has had movement cost since day 1.
Think of it like this. Cavaliers ALREADY face harsh movement penalties going through simple forest tiles. And lots of units can't traverse certain tiles at all, mainly non-fliers. But there are also peak tiles, for instance.

Every terrain type in FE has an associated movement cost with it. This is equivalent to the jump "cost" that verticality-based SPRGs use.

>>716044497 (OP)
>Finally more good fire emblem.
So in the interview he also mentioned that turning FE into a generic anime dating sim was a mistake, huh. Very nice, can't wait to hear more.

>>716048157
Is this real dialogue? Does England canonically exist in FE?

>>716049304
3H is a Fake Emblem disguised as a Persona Hogwarts Legacy clone

>>716054712
>3 basic bitches
>>716054842
>evil diabetic goblin

You don't shittalk about best girls Mercedes, Annette, Ingrid and Lysithea like that

>>716055045
doesn't it predate hogwarts legacy?

>>716054970
No, dum dum. What game other than FE10 had verticality with additional penalties?

>>716045852
You know, a layer for fliers would be a cool concept. Archers can hit them, and fliers can only stay in the air for so many turns. Or fliers have to land to attack and probably need to spend a turn to enable flight again.

>>716055151
I didn't say another game did. I'm honestly confused what you're asking at this point.

>>716055037
Yes
Dunno but they clearly speak English

>>716048840
My favorite is still Sacred Stones. Wish I could’ve enjoyed Fates. It just felt weird to me, like I was playing an Awakening romhack. Then the censorship didn’t help with my confidence in playing it.

>>716055116
Sorry, I just can't stand bitches like Lysithea at all. Why she is so popular I will never understand.

>>716054970
>>716054636
I like that you ignored the part with the influence of verticality and the ability to counter attack.

>>716055307
She's popular because she has good spells and great growths.

>>716051113
How do you think Zelda fans feel about BOTW and it getting its second Mosou game?

>>716055310
Equivalent to terrain bonuses in standard FE. Is everyone's brain here sub-functional, or what? Stop thinking so literally about these mechanics, and notice the inherent analogy between them.

>>716055370
sadly her chest growths are very low

Vindication...

>>716055210
What im saying is that there's no reason why ledges shouldn't be tried again. You brought up terrain penalties being a staple throughout the series, but there's more to it than that. Sure you could park a unit on a fort, forest, or a brigand on a peak, but ledges can be used by most units, other than cavalry in certain circumstances. But why would you want less aspects of the map you can take advantage of for strategy?

>>716055403
>Man I wish Fire Emblem would get another Warriors game
>We actually get another game
>It's Three Houses characters only
>Can't even play with the dubsteppers
Monkey paw is fucking real I swear

>>716055549
I already said I'm not against it. I'm cautioning anons that it isn't the miracle they're making it out to be. You still have to do the hard work of map design - DESIGN - and at that point, it's not that important to me (personally) how you do it, as long as you do a good job of it.

>>716055491
Monkey Paw would be no Shez which would make me sad. Shez is such a perfect companion to Byleth with how similar their births/powers are but from opposite sides. If they were allies early on the entire story would change drastically.
Byleth is Light and controls Time. Shez is Dark and controls Space. Basically Dialga and Palkia lol.

>>716049894
Lyn is such a timeless character it’s a shame how she remains as an item in Snow Globe prison, meanwhile other characters get to be in regardless of how old they or their games are at the time of inclusion. Roy is a big victim of this.

>>716054970
>>716054636
Movement cost is not 1:1 to Jump.
A character with 5 movement and 2 Jump can traverse to any tile within the 5 tile radius providing that each successive tile is within a +/- 2 height difference of each other. Eg, going from +0 to +2 moving three tiles across and jumping again to end on a +4.
In a game with movement costs, if those same tiles had a movement cost of 2 each, you'd only be able to move up to 2 spaces.

>>716055307
>Why she is so popular I will never understand.
She is cute and a good kid who cares about her parents and teachers
What is there not to like?

>>716055598
If you wanted crossover slop, that’s what Engage was for.

Marriage with Marianne!

>>716055853
She's a tremendous bitch in almost all her supports

>>716055268
>Awakening romhack

It’s a shameless Awakening 2, can’t wait for Awakening 4 on Switch 2 or whatever

>>716048637
Edgelord was a tranny. The best girl was Annette for marriage and Petra for impregnation

>>716055598
>can't even play with the dubsteppers
That's entirely the fault of IS. There are files in the base game that very fucking clearly had at least Thales and Kronya in a playable state. There was absolutely going to be a DLC where Shez joins the Slithers similar to Engage's Fell Dragon DLC. IS is permanently booty-blasted by what KT accomplished with IS' own IP.

>>716055776
Shez will be a character that can only be unlocked in the third act if Jeralt is alive, and Jeralt is only alive if Byleth gets A-support with him during White Clouds (which is condensed down to 6 chapters). That is to say, Shez isn't meant to be unlockable in a player's first run.

>>716055865

>>716055405
>The same as terrain bonuses
>2D Plane
Enemy attacks me from an adjacent tile and I counter with my weapon because it can counter at 1-1
>3D Plane
Enemy attacks me from an adjacent tile and I cant counter because my 1-1 weapon doesnt have enough vertical tolerance to reach.
Not the same as terrain bonuses in FE.

>The autistic bot is hilariously late to the thread

Kek

Toothpaste fags ruined this fandom

>>716054712
>basic bitch
don't lump my annette with "muh glenn" and miss "nails on a chalkboard voice"
>>716055865
t. Dimitri
Also this is the most actual fire emblem discussion I've seen in ages, /feg/ is truly the worst of /vg/

>>716055814
It's not exactly the same but I would argue it's functionally extremely similar, enough for a strong analogy. You can get into the weeds with this stuff.

>>716055861
The main appeal of Warriors games is that they ARE crossover slop anon, don't tell me you hate fun

>>716055307
>Why she is so popular I will never understand.
/V/ is basically pedophile island.

>>716056073
dozo...

poor anon... still single at such an advanced age..
*puts ring on your finger*
You're my husband now

>>716056046
>and miss "nails on a chalkboard voice"
Just play with Japanese, it is not hard
Mercedes has really pleasant voice

>>716056073
She's the same age as Lyn though

>>716045852
>fe has been dead since awakening, if you think otherwise you're clowns
The DS game before it was pretty bad. Awakening is trash though, and started too many trends that further devalued the franchise.

I wish Fates had made IS more willing to remix things
I don't care about flashy shit like Emblems or squads, give me classes like kinshi knights or Great Master and set your games in a different setting

>>716056236
Kris started the self-insert cancer and was arguably worse than any MU after him, yet you never see niggers cry about him here because their contraranism only cares about popular games

>>716055907
I think I've only seen her Hanneman, Annette and Byleth supports and she never acted like a bitch in them
That aside she is 15 and is about to die, it is understandable why she doesn't tolerate some crap.

>>716054794
>what is wrong with the DLC besides the main points of the DLC
Also Yuri betraying his friends but then betraying that betrayal by betraying the bad guy he was working for, which the bad guy absolutely never saw coming, and Rhea spilling the beans on Byleth's mom long before she'd learn about her proper in the actual game story, and this is all supposed to neatly fit in mid-Academy Phase.
>>716054178
I never got the chance to finish it myself, but I saw during spoiler season that Arval, the little dude who lives in Shez's head, is a Slitherer progenitor god, you ice them late game with all the house lord MCs on your side if you didn't kill Byleth, then Arval drops out of the story, and you go back to warring MCs again, about the same result as if you did kill Byleth, and it all leads to another unfinished and abrupt ending for each lord's story. That was the gist, it made me lose my interest in playing, on top of the incredibly boring class system this time around, and I stopped playing - someone else'll have to fill in what I got wrong or skimped details on.

>>716056008
I dunno about the true events of development, but I think Covid really shifted around releases and priorities. What I do believe is the Engage engine made with Unity will be used for their FEs.
On that note, I’ve had a Shezleth fanfiction in my head that stems of “what if Shez was in Jeralt’s mercs early on”. Their dynamic would be so good because eventually they’d want to know their own pasts, and it would eventually reveal something even beyond the Slitherers.
I’m waiting to see what the next FE is (if Shez in 3H Switch 2 edition happens) before I commit to full autism in writing it all out lol.

>>716056301
The psuedo japan setting was one of the worst things about fates.

>>716056415
Because that game was never localized officially. Barely anybody played it.

>>716044497 (OP)
Will actually buy a Switch 2 if they make Three Houses 2. Persona 6 is taking too long to make.

>>716056015
"No counterattacks" is not exclusive to a 3D plane. You could easily design a terrain type on a 2D a plane that blocks counterattacks.

>>716056415
Kris would have been the best MU if he was in an original game and not a remake. He's just an average soldier in the army and not literal Jesus like all the ones that came after. It's just unfortunate his existence is only justified by fucking over already established characters from a previous work.

>>716056501
I won't argue fanfiction. However, what I'm hoping for in a 3H remake is that Byleth's paralogue replaces Red Canyon for their flashback to fighting Berling's Mercenaries. This is contingent on Byleth starting the game as a Level 20 Swordmaster with the Subdue Combat Art, by the way.

Just have a paralogue where Byleth absolutely clowns all over Berling's forces, BTFO Berling, and when Shez tries to fight Arval wakes up. The paralogue is only available after Shez attempts to kill Jeralt during a Slither raid on the Monastery, and Shez succeeds if Byleth and Jeralt don't have A-rank support with each other.

>>716056695
Its really not the same at all.

>>716056695
Why are you pivoting? Sure it could be designed the same, but I thought the analogy was strong enough for it to be apparent in other games.

>>716056571
the point wasn't even about that
I want more things that make me want to replay the game and it requires something that previous games lack
Wolf knight being the only distinct class of engage is sad, monk healers were good at least

>>716056046
Annette going from bratty and childish to a petite lady is one of the biggest glow-ups of the timeskip.

>>716056985
>it just isn't
okay
For what it's worth, I don't think they're exactly the same. Just that differences are hugely overblown. 2D traversible space self evidently works, because 99% of tactics games do it. Including just about every board game ever.
>>716057104
>pivoting
I'm not. My argument this entire time is that anons are attributing unique qualities to verticality that they should not be. There's nothing *innate* to 2D space that disallows a "no counterattacks" terrain type, IS just hasn't done it yet. The analogy is apparent, if you think on it for a single moment.

>>716057270
Look at this fe8 map. There is implied verticality with the top half of the map being connected by stairs. However, the only way you would be able to attack through those walls is with the use of a long bow. Severely limiting your options. I just dont understand why you would want less options when designing a map. No one is saying verticality is some saving grace to map design. No one is saying all fe10 maps are perfect, but it was a cool mechanic that map you think a little bit more on certain maps.

>>716057270
Suggesting the implementation of a no counterattacks terrain means that made the tile too strong.
Remember the melee weapon might be unable to counter at 1-1 due to height tolerance but magic and bows may able to do due to superior vertical tolerance. What if the terrain at higher height has a tile near to it that's on a more favorable height for a melee counter?

>>716057643
Wrong. Look at the map again.

now that the relays are (dead?) we can get back to the real playthrough you are all excited for.
this time i won't rush outwards and die.

>>716047565
The only thing wrong about this image is that Lysithea, Linhardt, and Manuela should be listed as warp bots.

>>716054712
>Deer girls are the only real option.
I prefer the dragon.

I wouldn't mind a 3H sequel or prequel if it didn't have the gay school shit and making your units study. Also if the map design is actually good and not repeated over 4 routes.

>>716057839
which one?

>>716057906
The purple one.

>>716057840
I don't mind the repeated map design as long as they don't try to pretend the same map is a different location.

>>716057809
archer kills the pegs in one turn with attack stance help from xander

>>716058126
No. If you have multiple routes I expect most of the maps to be unique.

>>716057809
>steal yumi
Never played Fates, is it an official translation?

Fire emblem

>>716058290
as far as i know I'm simply playing an unmodified special edition.

>>716058387
Based

>>716044497 (OP)
FEH 2 confirmed.

>>716057643
I've honestly read your post like 8 times and I'm still not sure what you're getting at exactly. I think I finally get it, maybe? But you already can't stand on those "wall" tiles next to the floor and stairs in the actual game. If that's what you're implying. As is, I don't see a way to ever attack anything through the walls with normal 1-2 range from the "elevated"-looking part of the map.

i just ordered a used copy of 3H
what am i in for

>>716058425
miscalculated the guard gauge here laslow could have died he dodged.

>>716058425
why couldn't they just translate yumi as bow?
Is it to give one of the factions Japanese flavor?
I mean I understand why naginata is naginata but yumi is pretty much just a bow

>>716058284
I agree. But I also think it makes sense for some routes to share the same map. Especially if they feature mostly the same location.

>>716058290
Each weapon type has a nohr/hoshido equivalent
axe/club, sword/katana, bow/yumi
generally, nohr weapons are stronger while hoshido weapons boost stats

>>716058626
to differentiate it from bows which are a seperate thing in this game.
every weapon type in this game has a hoshidan and nohrian counterpart. swords vs katana bow vs yumi etc.

>>716058656
>axe/club
why not axe / ono?
What is this discrimination against axe users?

>>716058626
Because every weapon type has its Hoshido/Japanese counterpart in Fates. It's not just a translation thing.

>>716058831
What are they called in Japanese version?

>>716058793
>What is this discrimination against axe users?
Don't blame fates, axe users have getting the shaft since Day 1

>>716058765
throwing this ability out because I'm not sure how it will mess with my ability ordering if i don't and I'm not sure if kana's abilities are decided before or after this chapter, so to be safe I'm tossing it. i don't need it anyways.

>>716045119
3H has the skeleton of the best kind of FE game
Keep the unit customization and actually have decent shit to do in the hub and it's Jap XCOM

Can we just fucking go to classic Fire Emblem like awakening? Im tired of persona slop

>>716058891
鉄の弓 Iron Bow
鉄の和弓 Iron Yumi

>>716059050
>awakening
>classic Fire Emblem

>>716045119
*based*
>captcha: drgan

>>716053643
nah, her Dorothea support is really fucking gay. Edelgard is canon bisexual, not playersexual.

>>716059050
Just take the (You)

Damn relays died again

>>716054081
Codename S.T.E.A.M. 2 NIGGA LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!

>>716058932
Never played fe5?

>>716059105
>和
so both are yumi but one of them is Japanese style yumi
I guess bow for western bows and yumi for Japanese ones kinda makes sense then

>>716059050
Based

>>716058978
>Keep the unit customization

>>716053464
I agree ledges were the best thing ever and need to come back, but the map you posted could easily exist without them.

yeah engage girls are the best

>>716058637
They can just write that it's a different area at the same place.

At being shit

>>716044497 (OP)
I honestly want more 3H content just to see people like this >>716045119 have a meltdown.

How could engayge bitches ever hope to compete?

>>716059443
Hayami Saori should voice more FE girls

>>716058959
the swordmasters move now but my whole army is here to greet them

by being not suicidal and schizophrenic

>>716053258
3rd parties in smash is worse. Smash is a Nintendo game why should we have faggots who have no history with Nintendo?

Engage = dogshit

make up

That anon from last night was right, they really must be from the same cord because they always show up at the same time.

>>716059693
This but unironically

cutest femc

>>716059621
Who? Nigga we play the English dub in these threads.

>>716044497 (OP)
>>716045119
Only the GBA games where good. I skipped ALL of the DS games becuase they looked like utter dog shit.
Played 3H and IT WAD SHIT. Went back and emulayed the 3DS games and THEY WHERE SHIT.

Fire Emblem is DEAD. The 3DS KILLED IT.

>>716052956
I will admit it's not for everyone, I myself thought it was at the very border between unenjoyably ball crushing and peak difficult but fun. However I found it to be an extremely satisfying playthrough.

>>716059685
But Sonic, Megaman, Pac-Man, Ryu, Simon, Hero, and Terry can stay.

actually cute and hot unlike 3hrts

pepsi-chan a shit

>>716059839
Silence dub monkey

>>716056301
Kinshi knights are the gayest thing ever bro. Like they could make the next game set in greece and have a dedicated class for the The Sacred Band of Thebes, and it would still be a less gay class than Kinshi Knight. the only cool hoshido classes were Basara and maybe the Blacksmith.

>>716059443
>>716059637
>>716059797
>>716059881
it is midnight in your filipino mudhut village, please go to sleep, you have work in the morning

>>716059851
>Only the Hand Axe and Javelin simulators were good
Nice joke

God, I really hope so—Three Houses had such beautiful graphics and character portraits.
Engage looked nice in its own way, but Three Houses just felt high quality throughout.
They should definitely stick with the newer aesthetics going forward.

>>716059392
Sure. I find it incredibly satisfying to park Tauroneo on one of the ledges with Sothe and pick off dudes who try to climb up. I didn't want to use Elincia's Gambit as an example as an example as you have two powerful fliers who can just go down and kill the boss. 3-13 is also pretty satisfying as you can use the ledges to fend off the laguz horde, but you still need to worry about defending the sides.

>>716059851
i got tricked into play that 3hrt persona garbage.
fucking troon shills

>>716045119
you're being dramatic

>>716053223
I disagree, fates pair up imposed a fantastic level of positioning precision on the player. You could get so much offensive mileage out of it if you weren't one of the brainlets insisting that backpacking your whole party was the way to go.

Any games girls mogs Engayges.

>>716060010
>Three Houses had such beautiful graphics

dwagons = good

>>716060067
Even Tellius girls?

>>716059626
cleared out the swordmasters

>>716059443
you're right, but you accidentally posted Chloe in your image.
>>716059621
agreed, hopefully the next time they give her one without a terrible quirk.

>>716045119
They hated him for telling the truth

>>716059994
But Path of Radiance which lets you forge Hand Axes with the power of Silver Swords is not a Hand Axe simulator?

>>716060119
>without a terrible quirk.
she should voice an assassin girl

>>716059797
nah, that's still Robin.

dragons bad
we must kill every last one of them

>>716060104
You are a faggot, and just because our shitty mods protect shitposters like you doesn't mean I can't wish you get raped and murdered by shitskins

>>716060175
>But what about other game that wasn't even mentioned
Lol

>>716059858
For me it's straight into unenjoyable ball-crushing in the tutorial which has highly specific solutions that mostly don't let you train whoever you want. So you end up with a bunch of underleveled jobbers and the game pushes you into juggernauting with the Rainbow Tonic shit and all that because it's the only way to even get another fucking carry other than Kris. You end up leaning hard as fuck on Palla and Kris and you can barely get Marth some levels, maybe 2 other units other than Arron end up kinda useful but they're still fodder. I can't stand it. I just want my roster to mostly be useful instead of over half shitters.

sorry but im not touching 3hrt

>actual fe discussion for once
>right on cue the usual suspects appear
I'm noticing

>>716060012
One thing i like about ledges that doesn't get enough attention, they make skills like Pass really fucking good. My Edward was always useful for taking a ledge because i gave him the pass scroll, and he'd just hop up their and open the path. Lucia's Parity was also really good for this sort of thing, archer's not so tough without their terrain bonus.

>>716060290
I just dont understand why they decides that most of the tutorial maps should be like 6x6? Those over small maps were just a pain to play.

>>716044497 (OP)
>good fire emblem
But that's not Engage

>>716060375
FEfags deserve nothing less than the worst

>>716060375
injecting 3hrt isnt discussion

>>716055307
Because she can utterly fucking nuke the Death Knight with Dark Spikes early in and is the best spellcaster in the game.

>>716059917
>the flying bird is gay
>but not the flaming fashionistas who trip over themselves constantly and dress like they just raided a thrift shop
certainly an interesting take

>>716060406
Thank you. It just adds another layer of strategy to think about.

>>716060213
how can such a plain girl be so cute

People bitch about FE becoming a "dating sim", but I say fuck them and it's not dating sim enough. Give me involved romantic VN style scenes with rich character exploration outside of the standard support system and immersive dating simulation. Give me character development for my love interest that actually feels meaningful and enriches the game world.
And bring back skinship, fuck skittish, puritanical, ethnocentric mutts.

>mogs 3hrt so hard they are still seething daily
nobody wants your edel v tranny discussions

>>716060110
>Jill
>Micaiah
>Mia
>Titania
>Mist
>Sanaki
>Nephenee
>Lucia
Tellius girls are top tier waifus

>>716044497 (OP)
Oh shit guys, here we go!

Reclassing was a mistake.
Forging was a mistake.
Casual mode was a mistake.
Turnwheel was a mistake.
Full voice acting was a mistake.
Increasing the quantity of supports was a mistake.
Komuro was a mistake.
Combat Arts were a mistake.
Hubs were a mistake.
Non-Personal Skills were a mistake.

>>716060498
honestly never paid much attention to Basara's outfit, i just really like spear infantry and think Rend Heaven is a cool skill.
all Hoshido flyers are gay as fuck though, they went out of their way to invent homosexual pegasi just so men could be the class.

>>716045119
The fucking Engage troon playing all the hits to shit on 3 houses because there isn't a single point he can make about Engage being good, so he has to say that 3 houses is bad instead. There is no Engage discussion, because there's nothing to discuss, it was shallow, looked like shit, relied on you using emblems to break the combat, had terrible writing that 6 year olds would say was shallow, and had nothing going on for it. So they just throw shade at 3 houses. "But look at Alear in a bikini from the gatcha game!" is all they have, it's ALL they have

>>716060426
boobs too big, anna should be flat

3hrt was a mistake.

>>716060526
There's a world where the games have different routes depending on which waifu you pick. That'd be pretty cool.

>>716059917
>Tanky Mage/Axe hybrid chad
>Cute Archer Priest
>Bad
You're gay as fuck nigga.

>>716060114
i think i can clear these spear guys this turn so I'll also grab the attention of these guys at the bottom

>>716060610
>Casual mode was a mistake.
>Full voice acting was a mistake.
>Increasing the quantity of supports was a mistake.
>Non-Personal Skills were a mistake.
Those are good things though

>>716060545
>Micaiah
but she's a groomer

>>716060680
>Tanky Mage/Axe hybrid chad
but enough about Malig Knights. I'll give you the archer priestess though, i forgot about them.

>>716059917
a flying unit made to assert superiority over other fliers is too good a concept to not dedicate units to no matter how much one dislikes peacocks
also mechanist's skill being so fun a map gets dedicated to it (or the opposite?) needs to be mentioned

>>716060724
This image always makes me chuckle.

>>716060617
Truth nuke!

im laughing because 3hrt troons are dying

>>716060724
>Sothe was the same age as me when i played her game

>>716060715
Full voice acting lead to smaller casts and less recruits spread throughout the story and just frontloading everyone in the early game.
Supports becoming quantity over quality means that a lot of them are dogshit now and have to rely on the character's gimmicks to carry them if the two characters have no natural chemistry.

>>716060610
>Reclassing was a mistake.
>Forging was a mistake
Resource intensive customization options for character builds are not a mistake. They just need to be handled properly.

>>716060640
My bad, this is the best I can do

>>716060617
>relied on you using emblems to break the combat
Someone didn't play the game on Maddening I see, unless you mean using Micaiah to Warp skip a lot of the late game maps, but that's always been the best strategy in almost evey single FE game.

Those maps aren't that hard even if you aren't Warp skipping anyway.

>>716060703
why is the level 19 swordmaster boss so slow? even the level 18 swordmasters nearby had 34(+1) speed. this one is one level higher, the boss, and yet it only has 24(+1) speed. level scaling did him dirty

>>716060928
Actual switch framerate

>>716060970
>you can play as a stoic mercenary...or as a BIMBO

>>716060782
>Muh Malig K-
*dies to a single arrow*
Speaking of, Fates perfected archers and it's a damn shame they regressed immediately after.

>>716060895
there's a point when devs need to admit they can't handle things properly and just give up on them, like FE devs and route splits. or FE devs and reclassing, or FE devs and hub areas.

Yeah he didn't play on Maddening lmao

Will Mika Pikazo be the artist again for the next FE?

>>716061046
>>716060970

>>716061105
god i hope so. we desperately need engage2 to finally kill of the last 3hrt remoaners

>The only thing keeping Engage relevant was the game war
Such a sad existence. Maybe Engagefags fear a new game because they know they’ll be truly forgotten.

I like Boey

>>716061137
Imagine if FByleth was an undesirable frumpster, like Bernie, but fat. 3H would have had Engage sales.

>>716061105
Probably not, no. its rare that they bring back an artist for another game to begin with, unless its set in the same world.
Next FE artist will be RAITA.

>>716061090
Reclassing was perfect in Fates. Only way it could be improved would be to switch it out for a skill inheritance system and make class swaps story/support events.

>can't s-rank the best girl
why

>>716061242
Would instantly preorder

>>716061258
Use default FRobin and self insert as Chrom

>>716061210
>E-Engage will be forgotten after the honeymoon launch period ends
>E-Engage will be forgotten after a year
>E-Engage will be forgotten after two years
>E-Engage will be forgotten when the new game comes out <---- YOU ARE HERE
It's funny to see you still in denial that Engage has comfortably settled in the same spot that Conquest has; a game vilified for its story and characters but still fondly remembered and regularly replayed for its gameplay

>>716061258
>not self inserting as Chrom
(You) are always the blue haired lord in FE games anon, go fuck your tactician! (whether she wants you to or not).

>>716061242
ISIS can make engage2 work.

>>716060887
3 houses has 33 playable units
Imo it is more than enough
I agree that they should stop forcing supports between characters that have no chemistry but I still see no issue if those supports are well-written / integrated into the plot. They help to flesh out the characters

>>716061242
>Next FE artist will be RAITA.
Valkyria Chronicles sells like shit.

>>716061019
moving like this because i don't actually want to kill the whole map. there's reinforcements until turn 14. lucky for me there's archers i can bully to stall for infinite turns if i so please.

in general, i think engage is loved by vfeg. its just these gacha troons leaking out from their general

>>716061480
>33 playable units
sorry, forgot about the DLC characters, it is probably around 37-38 or something in total

>>716059872
>no history with nintendo
>dragon quest
>street fighter
Anon?

>>716061496
*because of sega

>>716061412
As long as they make it about Brodia's constant warring with Elusia even after the divine dragon brought peace, and the ultimate revelation that Queen Celine was orchestrating the war to keep Brodia weakened and avoiding them thinking about trying to steal Firene's fertile lands, sure.

>outer space alien dragons
LMAO. what were they thinking!?

>>716061412
They can easily make it work if they just change the artist to one of the gacha coomer ones and outsource the writing to someone else

>>716061540
/v/ actually secretly likes videogames anon, don't let blantant shitposting fool you

>>716061496
he is perfect for SRPGs though

>>716061591
Normalfags complain about Raita's art in FGO all the time. He's not an artist that will be able to help a game enter the zeitgeist the way 3H did.

>twittershit screenshot thread
How about you end your life instead faggot.

>>716061523
oh he can go on the water.

>>716061643
Can we have a game drawn by Cuboon please

>>716061679
>Normalfags complain about Raita's art in FGO all the time
and then spend billions pulling for Raikou and Shuten anyway. Normalfags always lie about what they like.

>>716061608
i can totally see how it would work. lumera prequel, veyle sequel, sommie mc.

>>716061679
Don't be retarded, VC heavily toned his art down even the artbooks for the series are nowhere close to what he draws normally

The only reason the series failed was because of Sega being retarded. That is all.

>>716061678
damn marriage made her age like 10 years in 2

>>716045119
>t. Awakening fag

Fates was so good bros

>>716061090
I liked Fates reclassing, that was their happy middle ground as far as I'm concerned.

>>716061090
The hub wasn't too horrible in Fates.

Funny you can see the moment the Engage spammer woke up and got in this thread.

>>716062082
"least bad hub" is still a bad hub though. like it was tolerable but it didn't add anything to the game. a menu would've been an improvement.

>>716062175
Just give tellius bases back. Why is that so hard?

take your pills schizo

>>716062143
yeah, unfortunately

>>716061872
she's just slutty chuuni lissa

>>716062175
My Castle isn't even a hub, at least not in the way it's meant nowadays, thanks to 3H's and Engage's wonderful additions. It basically IS a menu with a map-based frontend. The arena sucks though.

>>716062225
gotta have the heckin' fisherinos anon. modern vidya fans just can't get excited unless theres a completely pointless time consuming fishing minigame.

>>716062225
You don't understand anon. Casuals LIKE spending a lot of time in the hub. They do not like being in constant battles. Read this article, it's eye opening to how they view things.
https://geektogeekmedia.com/geekery/13th-story/how-three-houses-solves-fire-emblems-pace-problem/

>>716062405
My Castle is almost identical to Somniel in function, if its not a hub then neither is Somniel.

>>716062405
it centralizes the forge and the shops, what more can a hub do?
It's definitely a product of its time since it was made with spotpass in mind but I still like it for the bonus character dialogue it offers

>>716062513
Utter fucking nonsense, do you hear yourself? You can put all the facilities that matter right next to each other (shop, armory, mess hall) and at that point there IS no felt difference in traveling between them - it is functionally identical to a menu or the Tellius base. If you're calling that a hub, then you'd better call the world map in FE8 a hub, too. You do more walking in that, frankly.

>>716062294
When I’m home I’ll see if I can recreate the Google Doc of the XIV folder dumper to do the same here.

how engage aged

>>716062497
>three houses
>solving a pace problem
that title is so ridiculous i'm not sure i can stop laughing long enough to read the article. what the hell are they smoking?

>>716062639
>the thing that defines a hub is not whether its a place where you can see your army, interact with them, and shop, but whether the shops are far apart or not
lol, and you claim i'm the one spouting nonsense.

Isn't it funny that almost no one knows that Engage had a skinship minigame?
See:
https://files.catbox.moe/1tqvua.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/rtbdq6.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/pawnka.webm

>>716062903
rings polishing is lewd!

Engayge will end up like Fates, forgotten and reviled and you know it.

>>716062850
My argument is that it's superficially similar to hubs as we know them today at best. It's purely performative to decry it as an evil, something larping oldfags love to do for street cred. I'd kill for My Castle again at this point, after the enormous, sprawling time wastes introduced in the Switch era.

what the hell

>>716062639
Awakening also had shops sell different items in different places in the world map like FE8

>>716062983
not as reviled as 3hrt

>>716062994
it's literally just the somniel in 2D. its faster to navigate because 2D maps are smaller, but it is pretty much identical in concept.

>>716045852
Final fantasy tactics is not an srpg. You need strategy to be an srpg

>>716063050
Stop playing binary

>>716062765
They claim playing map after map is exhausting so they are happy for a hub to "catch their breath"

>>716062903
I'd let Alear polish my ring, if you catch my drift

Do you think we can ever get a protagonist design as lewd as this ever again?

>>716063053
Yeah, and the oldfag wannabes ignore that, because it's shaped like a world map. It's fucking infuriating when a Risen decides to block a shop, though.
>>716063094
Nigger, it is nowhere near the bloat of the Somniel. Totally incomparable. I guess the worst thing about My Castle is the arena gamble. Everything else is snappy and instant. There's no rightful reason to even treat it as a different thing than the Tellius base or a world map, in terms of actual function.

>>716063252
No, enjoy the censorship and safe horny shit dumbass.

>>716063192
is that the FE4 hack

>>716063252
What the fuck is the point of the leg window?

>>716063252
no, fates lewdness is no longer possible nowadays

>>716045119
Both Awakening and Three Houses brought in some of the worst people.

>>716063256
It takes a lot less time to engage some risen and retreat than to do hub bullshit.

>>716062903
I wish I could polish Nowi's ring....

>>716063547
*Fates and Engage

>>716050275
>normal FE fan
>3H is better than Engage

Engage is far more in line to what a typical Fire Emblem game is. 3H didn't even have the weapon triangle.

The only game that brought in "Bad people" was Fire Emblem Blazing Swords.

>>716062225
>Why they don't bring something from a game that sold like shit.
Jeez I wonder why.

Dont get it.
How is this guy exclusively related to 3H specifically and not only FE in general?

>>716063621
There’s someone I know that absolutely seethes that there’s no hardcoded weapon triangle in 3H that he refuses to play it at all. And yet he didn’t play Engage either. He’s just insufferable overall.

okay worked my way back to this point. basically back where i was. this time I'm leaving the weaponless priests alive instead of a water walking archer.

>>716063252
>You can't fuck best girl.
No I don't care that a Robinfag already did this bit, there's no Chrom for me to self insert as in Fates.

>>716063592
>retreat
What are you even talking about?

>>716063767
Yeah I’m betting it’s a new FE in general. I think people are confusing “sequel” as in a literal direct one, and not that it’s a new entry. Literally the only “Nintendo SRPG” franchise too.

>>716063825
there's nothing erotic about this retarded dragon

>>716063825
Just self insert as one of her older brothers then.

>>716063547
Awakening era threads were genuinely the golden age of FE threads though. I feel sorry for anyone that started posting here after 3H.

>>716063767
It isn't related to 3H, people are just looking at the picture. The job posting is asking for people with technical knowledge like programmers. This is a nothing story, the only thing it proves is that IS isn't dead but only the most delusional people thought that anyway.

So true 3HRT xis go spam curved shot or grind that tea minigame for the charm or your gambits will miss.

>>716063518
heat dissipation

>>716063518
Reduces chafing

>>716064032
from what?

>>716064118
Sex with me.

>>716063885
You can just immediately select the retreat option when you encounter an overworld risen in SS

>>716047312
You know you fucked up when a game that plays itself is doing something better.

>>716063518
Easy access

>>716063818
is this chapter like FE7 where when the boss is killed reinforcements stop spawning?

>>716063518
To show you that Nohr is so poor that not even its nobility can afford proper pants

>>716064135
>not using lubrication
What a brute

>>716064204
No they'll keep spawning even if you kill the boss

>>716064032
Why do you think rider pants exist? The leg cutout is gonna make chafing much worse for her

>>716064159
Risen are not in SS...I was talking about Awakening. Risen block shops in Awakening constantly and you don't have an option to oust them with retreat, you just have to wait in your cuck shed and bear it until they decide to pack up and leave.

>>716063909
>>716063959

We still have Engage as Iron 19 so if its iron 18, it has been in development for a while so its too deep in development to be influenced by the Houses/Engage reception.
In fact if they thought Engage was going to be the breakthrough title, it's likelier to be influenced more by Engage.

>>716064204
I'm pretty sure they don't spawn but >>716064304 says otherwise

>>716064416
Oh I didn't read the reply chain I just assumed he was talking about FE8

>>716064304
>>716064437
these guys spawned at least

Iron 18 probably got scrapped thanks to your endless bitching about engage so eat shit.

>>716064419
Maybe, but we have literally nothing to speculate on. For all we know Iron 18 might have been cancelled.

>>716059350
>dude i love having to rng manipulate to clear thresholds for my one and only promotion path to be decent
>and having a game that's easily optimized and solved within months of coming out

>>716064645
At this point, I actually do think Iron18 is a cancelled project like the one on the Wii

>>716064645
Imagine scrapping an almost done FE lmao.
It would take another 3 year dev time.

>>716064804
Or be FE4R and they dont want to to release a Remake as a debut title.

What if the rerelease of FE1 on switch was FE18?

playing rev, why do hana and rinkah do no fucking damage.

>>716064969
Rev wasn't playtested and it shows

>>716064969
they were copypasted from birthrout with zero changes and inserted in a way later chapter
this gets the most ridicolous with nyx

>>716064969
>Rinkah
Forge her an axe, they're available to her in this route, and train her in Mozu's paralogue. That's if you're crazy like me and actually like to use her here. Also abuse her personal.
Hana just needs her growths to kick in, but she's a swordkek which is pretty lousy in Fates.

>>716065151
amelia and franz are the real christmas cavs of sacred stones

>>716064969
This just didn't give a shit about Rev. They probably just expected you just use the Royal siblings and call it a day.

>>716065184
>mozu paralogue
my corn gained enough xp during chapter 6 to unlock the paralogue immediately lol, I spent it all training mozu with vanter paired with her.

>>716065151
Is Amelia good in general?

>>716064969
They didn't balance for shit in Rev. Same thing happened in New Mystery, you just keep getting units rhat are inefficient on their joun map at best or the Wolfguard at worst (complete liabilities).

>>716064969
no pair-up + no tonic + no aura skill + no rally

>>716065308
No but she's ok in her other classes.

>>716065312
>Wolfguard
to be fair wolfguard where always jobbers. roshea is the only usable one

>>716065308
Everything is good if you grind in Tower of Valni floor 1.

>>716064587
the reinforcements are all spawning as the wiki says. draining the moat

>>716065302
>I spent it all training mozu
I think that's what most people do, but I always recommend saving it for your early scrimblo of choice. The Hoshido shitter squad is not good but could be a lot worse, in terms of Revelation units.

>>716065220
Everyone turns Amelia into a general however.

>>716065312
It's baffling how little they tried with Rev. Like how hard would it have been to just autolevel the characters to approximately what the enemies on their join maps are? Bizarre.

>>716065151
slayer of relays

>>716065463
>nyx joins 6 chapters later on rev than in conq
>with the exact same level and stats
what were they thinking? that all 3 people that like nyx would just grind her up?

>I$
>think
Very bold to assume that.

>>716064759
kek'd

>>716065630
Nah it was fucking people from ysing Gerik/Raven that killed the relays.
Sometimes wonder how hollow your life is that you live to fuck up people from having a fun collaborative effort.

>>716065407
preparing for the last reinforcements.

>>716065931
same group of people

>>716065463
I'm fairly certain they just intended for the players to use nothing but royals in their party

I didn't hate the snow map desu. I kinda like it because its like fog of war but paced by the player and not just having dudes you cant see jumpscare you.

>>716065643
>that all 3 people that like nyx would just grind her up?
She has to be the least popular FE loli relative to her game's popularity, right? I wonder what went wrong.

>>716066014
Same.
Nothing in Rev comes close to FoW or sand maps or maps with rain.
Those are cancer plaguing FE games

>>716065947
if dancer stats don't matter then why this

I want to see you retards try Manuela/Hanneman paralogue without fliers that shit is rev tier of liquid shit.

>>716066028
>I wonder what went wrong
She's not loli-coded, that's what. Didn't even know she was supposed to be one of those eternal youth types until I read her bio. How can you tell -because she's tiny? Is Ilyana a loli? Is Edelgard a loli?
Lolifags would like her if she was a brat or an imouto, but she's just a snarky granny.

>>716066028
FEshit isn't a lolicon franchise you dumb pedo.

>>716066028
middling unit and strong competition for the fetish when she's a sub-genre of it
I like making her Leo's charlotte If I don't play female Corrin and throw the onamaid at him

>>716066172
no more reinforcements. just these last 6 (8 with priests) enemies

>>716066028
she's a lolibaba and too based for lolifags.

Reclassing is fine if you keep the weapon/role. (like a archer can become a long range sniper, magical element archer, get on horse/pegasus, stronger no gimmick archer, or go some hybrid thief/assassin melee ranged)

But the biggest deal on fire emblem is making the player spend time and MAKING YOU CARE about the characters, 3h had a mid gameplay but the academy thing was SPOT ON.

>>716066028
She's literally the best girl in Fates. Great supports and she's cute. People just have shit taste.

>>716066435
I like branching promotions, I don't really like being able to reclass someone into any class. also why did engage have assassin as a thief promotion? I thought we where past the "thieves are a tier 1 class with no promotion lmao" bullshit.

>>716066435
Academy was dogshit. Extra dialogue between maps was nice but the actual activities sucked dick and just moving around the hub is tedious padding.

>>716066028
personally huge foreheads are just a giant turnoff

>>716066645
And you reek of cope.

>>716066705
I like the academy, I just wish it went away during the second half in favor of making you feel like a group of people hanging aound a war camp.

>>716066435
This is true. As always it’s not story or gameplay that makes or break a game, but characters.

>>716066653
>why did engage have assassin as a thief promotion?
There's no assassins in Engage anon

>>716065431
Only because of memes and because SS is so easy, putting her in a suboptimal class isn't a death sentence for her.

>>716066796
>I just wish it went away during the second half in favor of making you feel like a group of people hanging aound a war camp.
Would have been nice, part 2 is when I really got sick of the hub my first run.

>>716066653
You didn't play engage at all dumbass.

>>716066435
but I don't really care about many characters and I really grew to dislike that self-righteous retard edelgard

>>716066645
She's cute but she's maybe the least-used character because she kind of sucks, so nobody gets her supports

>>716066330
now to just slowly waltz percy over to the two priests.

>>716059851
Try the SNES ones, FE4 is totally worth checking out, just prepare to have all horseback unit. Or Path of Radiance, another really good one
imo FE4-9 are the best ones. Haven't played FE3 yet. The GBA ones I love just wish they stood out from each other more. I did like echoes and awakening but neither of the are as good as the GBA ones.

>>716066907
>he says while posting a picture of one
imagine if yunaka got a volke esq promo, instead of her entire alear support being alear going "wow yunaka your backstory seems interesting too bad I didn't ASK hiya papaya"

>>716066989
I meant didn't. I was asking why there wasn't a teir two class for thief.

It's called skip the monastery day but you clearly are too stupid to press that button because you must min max everything.

>>716067008
She isn't that bad, but I've noticed most characters that start with "steel" tier weapons tend to be very unpopular despite potential power (see: Peri), bad hit rates make for a bad first impression

>>716067312
Odin and Silas are mostly just better than Nyx and Peri. It's not really because of their starting weapons. This is definitely true about Charlotte, though. Gamble+steel axe makes for a TERRIBLE first impression.

>>716067023
how do they look?

>>716067008
Funnily I recently replayed Conquest months ago and decided to give her a chance though I did slap aptitude on her through save editing. She turned out to become pretty strong. Even decided to try and get shurikenbreaker on her, give her a calamity gate and then she just destroys ninjas for me in 25. That was also the playthrough that really got me to see her supports and decide to marry her. Granted this probably just a stroke of luck and not really reflective of her general performance I'll admit.