Thread 716049030

>corposhills desperately trying to change the public narrative
>transjans on full suicide alert deleting every thread
>ecelebs dying to protect theor corporate overlords
It reeks of fear and bitch on this board.

Whites once again saving gaming.

>>716049030 (OP)
it´s a white boy summer aah victory over some ferret fucking cockroach

They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

New 'ross (Act man interview)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRXpP0guXo

What the FUCK is wrong with this guy??

>agree to the terms and conditions
>Get mad when the terms and conditions apply (to you)
I don't understand, if you don't like it, why did you agree to the terms of service in the first place?

his silence is deafening

I hope this shit will be over soon because I want more Freeman's Mind.

>SKG = Renewable energy, Vaccines, gay rights and Communism
>Anti-SKG = Fossil fuels, Real men, freedom and independance, Capitalism
I know which side I'm choosing

>>716049854
>limited energy over infinite renewable one
I don't understand boombers

Does anyone else find it weird that all these rabid SKG supporters SUDDENLY appeared when there was youtuber drama?

None of these people cared about SKG or customer protection or anything before but now that it was "This youtuber is bad, let's all gang up on him and obey daddy Asmongold" SUDDENLY they care about laws and regulation.

Just say you have nothing going on in your life so you latched onto this drama like crazy, dont' try to pretend you genuinely care about the cause, if you did you would have supported SKG back in 2020 and not after Pirate Software offended your favorite youtuber.

>>716049890
If something is forever then it's worthless. If it's something you can only have once in your life then it's worth everything.

>>716049601
>They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?
>implying they were ever playing fair in the first place
Expect attacks from multiple vectors because big money is on the line now. Tribal warfare, demoralization, cancellations, bribery and goon squads. Moldman is a marked man now.

>>716049946
Most people make it a priority to avoid any personal philosophy at all costs so as to avoid responsibility to themselves when they have to ignore a principle they used to believe in. They cry about "not being able to own anything" but they are propagating for more government overreach into the private business of individuals. If not owning your games is such a bad idea than it would've died out in the free market. They don't believe in voting with your wallet, because they don't like the outcome of the vote and are now petitioning the monopoly on force to bypass the vote.

>>716049946
cos they are all gay aids riddled niggercattle who care more about saving pedo games than bothering to read the fineprint that says "servers may shutdown at any time in the future"

>>716049673
Democracy has triumphed over tyranny yet again.

>>716049673
I'm waiting for the video ross is making to see what this behind the scenes pushback is all about.

>>716049980
My love for you is forver. Is it worthless?

>>716049707
>wonder why the guy who wrote a buncha good valve games is speaking against this so fervently
>turns out after he left valve he co-created his own vidya company and made a left4dead clone that flopped so hard i have literally never heard of it before

>>716050358
Yes, to love without standard is to diminish the self and patronize the other. Love is earned by virtuousness.

>>716049707
A smear campaign by a leftist who hasn't read up on what the movement is about. They just see a white guy trying to change something and immediately think it's "alt right".

>>716050229
Having more communism is the exact opposite of democracy.
Those signatures are all faked

>>716049854
Your desperation to suck that corporate cock is getting silly.

>>716049707
It's incredibly funny seeing the left, who calls themselves anticapitalist and anti establishment fall for every single one of their tricks time and time again.
We can already see the context shift happen in real time, it's so fucking sad.

>>716049707
it's embarrassing how opinionated he is about something he's clearly not looked into at all

>>716050575
FUCK WALL STREET

~posted from my iphone
network ID: STARBUCKS268871

>>716050575
>One retard on twitter
>The left™

>>716050525
Supporting SKG is sucking the corporate cock.
Large companies can shrug off the extra costs of keeping a shitty game alive, but it will be absolutely devastating for Indies.
Like all regulations, it benefits the rich and powerful and fucks over small businesses every damn time.
>b-but this time it's totally different!

>>716050665
Where there is one there is a hundred of them.

>>716049601
PAJEET SHILL POST
THIS IS REPOSTED VERBATIM IN EVERY THREAD
CALL IT OUT AND IGNORE

>>716050654
lol out loud

>>716050702
This is some gold standard mental gymnastics, and proof you have no idea what Ross is actually asking for.
Stupid fucking stooge/paid opposition.

>>716050485
Don't fall the vile propaganda of the aliens from Ubisoft who want to demolish a gamer's way of life.

>>716050575
If some president (probably not the current one, but you never know) would introduce an "anticapitalist month", all major companies would celebrate it.

>>716050797
The more regulation, the harder it is for small companies to rise up. But you don't care about upward mobility, because deep inside you feel like a loser already. It's no use to worry about something you never see yourself doing.

>these corpo jew shills ramping up
It's afraid.

>>716049707
He has absolutely no idea who Ross is. Imagine writing so confidently about someone you don't know at all

>>716050795
This visibly makes my blood fucking boil jesus fucking christ, no self awareness whatsoever...

>>716050702
>still thinks skg will force devs to keep servers running
Can't expect much from retards who can't read.

>>716050575
>>716050665
>>716050767
SKG is heckin based and redpilled bros

>>716050869
>The more regulation, the harder it is for small companies to rise up.
>source: my ass

SKG fans claim to fight for justice, but there’s no justice in demanding indie devs work for free, release IP, and maintain servers forever. That’s not preservation, it’s exploitation wrapped in gamer entitlement.

>>716050597
He's watched at least one of Ross's newer videos, but he must've been playing Subway Surfers on his phone at the same time because the SKG videos he put out afterwards were completely retarded and missed the mark entirely. Being all day on Twitter and subsequently Bluesky unironically fried his brain.

>>716050869
It's not that hard to create a game with EoL support while you develop it. I don't see how it would stop a small company from making a game

>>716051030
fuck of corpo shill, everybody knows it's you

>>716050869
Small companies don't usually make games with a shelf life. You're strawmaning.

The gaming industry just laid off tens of thousands of jobs this year alone, it's not in a good state at the moment. This movement is just another kick in the teeth while they're already down.
These demands are absolutely unrealistic and are impossible especially for indies to implement.
It will also have other unforeseen consequences like increased inflation and a possible collapse of the industry.

>>716050959
How many sources do you need? It goes on and on by the way. Even you are not retarded enough to ignore the fact that if you start your own business, having a tax of 30% on all corporate profits means you now have to make 30% more profit to stay above water? There is a certain amount of money you need to make to keep the company afloat, and taxes increase that amount. Can you even count, really?

>>716051096
>This movement is just another kick in the teeth while they're already down.
Good.

>>716050229
>>716050801
>Posting HD2 here when it's the epitome of artificial Live Service slop
It's a peer to peer game that relies on central servers for no real reason other than to get as much money from you as possible. If not for SKG it'd eventually just disappear simply because they don't want you to have your save file on local storage and that's literally it.
Stop larping and kill yourself.

>>716051136
This is the shit I was talking about, bandwagoners that latch onto a supposedly just cause just to fucking harass people. We are just asking how SKG can actually be implemented in the real world, no need to get all bigoted and racist about it. It's starting to smell a lot like gamergate...

>>716051125
fuck off corpo shill

>>716051195
You will do what I tell you or go to jail. It's a biowareian choice.

just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices

no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.

>>716049707
>>716050575
Americans or any western "leftist" just wants a socdem government while they still exploit the global south to live their comfortable lives in the west. The only thing they're good on is support for marginalized groups but even that cannot be achieved without ending the colonization of the south. Bitches are just libs adopting left aesthetics.

>>716051070
>>716051095
I'm talking about the morality of government regulation, which includes whatever arbitrary line in the sand you drew this time. This example is even dumber, because you want to be released from a purchase and an underlying agreement you chose to accept. You are quite literally petitioning the government to make your word and signature become moot, to be revoked at any time you see it convenient to do so.

>>716051096
CORPO SHILL POST
THIS IS REPOSTED VERBATIM IN EVERY SKG THREAD
CALL OUT AND MOVE ON

>>716051195
I am an evil samurai, you're getting beheaded kisama

>>716049030 (OP)
Please don't reply to this thread, its ragebait.

>>716051241
I accept your concession.

>>716051274
ANOTHER CORPO SHILL POST
THIS IS REPOSTED VERBATIM IN EVERY SINGLE SKG THREAD
CALL OUT AND MOVE ON

>>716051241
Are you going to actually contribute to the discussion or are you going to keep fucking spamming? It's as if you want to kill all interest in SKG

>>716049030 (OP)
In case you haven't been paying attention, this board has frequently been astroturfed by gaming companies for nearly a decade now. Don't tell me you think the gacha posts are organic too

>>716051168
In the future games like Helldivers could be playable over LAN when the servers shut down. You can still play Counter strike if you have a CD.

>>716051354
>>716051378
fuck off sisterfucker, everybody knows you're a fucking shill

>>716051289
>muh morality
I care more about my freedom to play whatever I want whenever I want.
If I want to play Anthem in 50 years, I should have the tools do to so.

>>716050959
>>716051125
I seriously doubt SKG specifically will be that hard for small companies, but the principle is true with some caveats. Big companies can afford to bend over backwards to follow some very esoteric regulation, but small companies don't always have that luxury.

>>716051378
Fuck off corpo TRANNY NIGGER

>>716051392
You can put boobs on any video game and no matter how shit it is people will buy it and hornypost about it here.

>>716050778
The thing that make me laugh is that we have been constantly bombarded by those shitty tricks to the point we basically notice it immediately and, like bacteria with antibiotics, became immune to it.

Hey shills, why aren't you spamming cp and gay shit any more?

>>716051424
SKG wouldn't be that big a deal but it is another straw on the already anemic camels back. I believe we should rule based on principle, and private property is one of those principles. If not, you can work to create whatever life you want for yourself but someone else can just take whatever you make for "equity's" sake. It's sickening and people are way too comfortable voting themselves into ownership of another's property these days.

>>716049707
oh my god not this traitor again. He was shilling EGS hard at one point. An ex valve employee.

>>716051289
>You are quite literally petitioning the government to make your word and signature become moot, to be revoked at any time you see it convenient to do so.
What signature? You can't even click accept terms without already having bought the game. Regulations exist in all industries and are there for a very good reason. I fail to see how regulation is inherently immoral. In fact, I think it often skews towards the moral, since regulations are often something that stops companies from neglecting safety or dismissing rights. You've never, ever spent any amount of time being scared about regulation. You benefit from regulations on a daily basis (assuming you don't live in a complete shithole)

>>716051539
based mods were on top of it

>>716051424
Small companies don't make live action games so you're making up an example that doesn't exist. AAA companies make GAAS farts that no one want, but we're all plugged into the skinner boxes. I'd be fine if AAA games burned down and we had more single player games like Clair Obscura and Baldur's Gate 3. The most beloved classic games tend to be single player.

>>716049707
Heh, that's me.

>>716051424
The small companies don't have the resources to make sense of a live service game anyway

>>716051540
How I see it is that small companies that would've been successful without SKG are scam operations the world is better without. It's sometimes good that small companies get shafted.

>>716049890
Nuclear is infinitely superior but boomers are all retards and hate that too

>someone has fair, light criticism about Stop Killing Games
>"Nooo you don't understand the proposal, it's not X, it's Y"
>another person criticizes Y
>"Sigh... People still don't understand the proposal is not about Y, but actually about X?"

I'm fucking done with this stupid subject. It is impossible to say anything negative about it because Stop Killing Games is like the holy spirit: it's nowhere, and at the same time everywhere. It's about nothing, and at the same time everything. No matter what you criticize, it'll always be "wrong" because it is actually about whatever point you did not criticize; and this point will oportunistically change once the next person says they disagree.

Fuck everyone involved with this. Bunch of dishonest vulture clowns turning this into another Gamergate

>>716051652
Your seethe won't unsign it

>>716051645
It's also cooler when it goes wrong. Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima created kino media and images. We need more nuclear disasters.

>>716051652
CORPO SHILL POST
THIS IS REPOSTED VERBATIM IN EVERY SKG THREAD
CALL OUT AND MOVE ON

>>716051652
I wonder who could be astroturfing behind this post?

>>716051652
DIE, CORPO SHILL

>>716051652
What's the criticism you have?

>>716051645
Nuclear is dead thanks to all those regulations, it's now too expensive. Are you fags finally getting it?

>>716049030 (OP)
What worries me most about the media hype surrounding SKG is the fact that almost all the talking heads on YouTube and other "opinion leaders" from Reddit seem to be deliberately repeating the fundamentally wrong take that this initiative is supposedly aimed at forcing publishers to support their games forever. Of course, they are told in the comments that this is fundamentally wrong, but the video has already been recorded and watched, the post has already been written and published, and then the comments can simply be closed and voila, it turns out that gamers are such assholes. I think that this shit against SKG is carefully planned from a certain stage and all the content makers in some of their general chats (in which they share advertising among themselves) receive orders on what to say and what idea to convey.

Maybe I want video games to die. Perchance.

>>716051774
>nuclear is dead
>except where the entirety of fucking france is using it
>even fucking poland is preparing to build reactors
fuck of corpo shill, go fuck your sister

>>716051780
congrats, you finally understood how modern journalism works

>>716051424
>implying inde dev are the one doing live service game with permanent connection required
>implying it's that hard to allow private server to while random people do it all the time for older game.
Man corpo shill are really shameless. Between using the "muh poor indie/minorities" argument while AAA wouldn't hesitate to strangle them for a penny or the argument that play on the assumption that people are ignorant retard that don't know how video game were before, I don't know which is the worst.

>>716051758
Are you fucking blind? Read through this thread.
>more government overreach with regulatory hell
>very bad for indies
>monumental costs just to support the last 10 autists that are playing a dead game
>big corpo devs will make everything an online-only service with a 1 year expiry date

>>716051601
You're completely correct with your sentiment and facts, but pay attention next time
>you're making up an example that doesn't exist
When I very clearly say that I seriously doubt SKG will be hard on small companies, why do think I lead with that?

The sheer desperation to turn SKG into a "left vs right" nonsense is telling.
Everyone knows your tricks by now.

>>716051774
Wow, bad regulations exist. I now believe corporations should have the rape me in the ass. Thank you, Peter Thiel! Praise Alex Karp! I kneel to Elon Musk!

>>716051943
you're a retarded corporate shill
fuck off, nobody is falling for your tricks

The reason why SKG has so many opponents is because Nintendo just released a console with Gamekey cards and console bricking terms.
/v/ is nintendo fan central so of course they must hate this.

>>716051575
When you buy the game online you can search the terms of service, when you buy it offline the box says that there are terms of service including not being able to edit the game for instance. If you have played games for longer than a month you know that every game that's online has their own novelsized EULA/TOS or whatever the fuck. I also live in europe which means that everything I earn, buy and use is taxed and regulated to shit which is not good. It's overpriced and underseasoned. Most regulations do nothing but fuck over small businesses because they don't have the money to maintain 50 lawyers who do nothing but design ways to bypass said regulations.

>>716051627
That is your arbitrary line in the sand. If holding people to things they legally agreed upon is scamming than you are merely giving the government the power to decide what's good for you, you realize this? You are arguing from a position of "I'm too dumb to understand big words so the government should get me out of trouble anytime I need". The government then can in turn, decide to use this power over you because you gave them that power. After all, if you are too dumb to read a EULA you're probably too dumb to do research into vaccines right? Be very careful about signing or voting away your sovereignty.

>>716051943
>very bad for indies
proof?

>>716049601
Everyday we thank that guy who worked at Blizzard for spearheading this

>>716052014
I got news for you, but SKG in its current form is a textbook example of 'bad regulation'

>>716052029
Stop spamming

>watch Ross's videos about the recent events surrounding SKG
>now every other video in my feed is about PirateSoftware
holy shit I don't care about this moron. how many times do I have to click on not interested/don't recommend channel

Probably not something 50% of people here even remember.. but late 2004 the original xbox live launched and people were playing halo 2 until the day they shut the severs off less than a decade later in 2010. (less than 6 years) 20 years later people are now reviving xbox live for OG xbox (with help from old xbox devs) so you can play online with the console you bought.


gamers were optimistic about halo masterchief collection to play halo 2 online on AN xbox again.....an xbox "one", and it was a broken mess for years and didnt work and they scammed people. There is obviously a willingness by fans of games to play the shit they bought. nothing wrong with that. just give the tools to the fans if you dont want to do it yourself.


i have not followed the SKG movement very closely but the one talking point i have heard that makes the most sense, is that if you have an online component of your game and you no longer want to maintain it, its fine, but give the tools to your fans so they can do it for you. people are still playing starwars galaxies (an old starwars MMO from the early 2000s) on private servers for this very reason.


The main reason companies are against this is without shutting down an old superior product there is no incentive for gamers to buy the new one. that is THEIR fault for making worse products.

>>716051943
indies dont have money or will to gatekeep their games behind a server

I've not yet seen this answered yet, what happens if the company running the servers goes bankrupt?

>>716052132
Remove the video from your watch history.
The recommendations will go away.
You're welcome.

>>716051758
>"think about the poor tranny/minority/indie that be forced to do the impossible task to allow the game to run on a private server or without internet connection" said the lobby representing only Major AAA publisher.

>>716051943
>more government overreach with regulatory hell
How is it overreach and how exactly is it regulatory hell?
>very bad for indies
How?
>monumental costs just to support the last 10 autists that are playing a dead game
What costs are you talking about?
>big corpo devs will make everything an online-only service with a 1 year expiry date
You have absolutely no idea if that is something that'll occur, especially since they can already fucking do that

>>716052043
I'm arguing from the standpoint that I understand the costs and benefits, and I think some things people cite as costs are actually benefits. You seem to be stuck in the mindset that a small company is necessarily good. A lot of small companies are really bad but powerless to do much harm.

>>716052043
I forgot to mention the reason these EULA's and TOS are so huge is due to regulations in the first place.

>>716051943
Indies are not making the types of games that are affected by this. Good thing, too.

there is an elephant in the room with live service games though. you get more what you paid for intially (patches, content updates etc). it's not as simple as buying a game once and keeping it forever. with a live service there is no "game". the shape of experience is constantly changing.
what to you want to "keep" exactly? what version, time slice of live service game?

>>716052116
>Stop spamming
i will when you mongrel shills fuck off 4chan
you fucking nigger

Remember reddit: the more we lie about SKG the bigger the rupee bonus is! Keep up the good work. Except dalit, fuck them.

>>716049713
I am tired of being cattle with my terms and services being unfair and anti consumer chief.
"You have no right to sue us if you apply to work for us" is bullshit. Forced arbitration should be illegal.

>>716052304
Indians love SKG because they'll be the first to be hired to maintain all those games that the devs wanted to abandon. Careful what you guys wish for

>>716052258
>concern trolling
fuck off

>>716049854
except the freedom to keep what you payed money for
anti-skg = pro-NWO

>>716052242
I believe anyone who wants to start a company should be allowed to compete fairly in the free market. If Nike can produce better Nikes than you, you don't get to compete with Nike but if it's the other way around, Nike has forfeited its right to exist and keeping Nike around via Copyright/patent law merely serves Nike as the customers of Nike now have to pay extra to maintain a worse version of the company. No socialism for anyone.

>>716052306
If you don't like the terms, why did you agree to them?
Just play something else.

>>716052258
the final version
>b-b-but my roi
not my problem

>>716051392
We want dinosaurs in battlefield!

>my mind slipped
>i dont know how the government could stop killing games
>but i want them to anyway
your leader is retarded

>>716052370
Clicking "accept" in a popup window is not agreeing with anything.

You idiots won't change a thing. The attitude inside a massive publisher is "yeah, the games suck and the microtransactions suck, but they pay the bills". Like that's literally what is said in our massive meetings and even the lowest totem pole workers know that's how it is. We know the games suck, but hey pay the bills.

It is unfortunate that I work for a company that takes advantage of people that can't control their finances, but I haven't found a new job yet that has similar pay or benefits.

You won't change shit with some stupid twitter campaign.

PEOPLE. KEEP. BUYING. MICROTRANSACTIONS.

PEOPLE KEEP PAYING $120 TO PLAY GAMES 3. DAYS. EARLY.

You won't change anything. PEOPLE KEEP BUYING THIS GARBAGE.

>>716052438
There is no leader
You're such a slave you can't wrap your mind around a proper grassroots movement
It's sad, really

>>716049030 (OP)
Look. All I ask is you change the word "buy" to "lease" on your documents. That's all. Just say "lease" and we'll walk away

>>716052370
>"You have no rights if you play this game"
>refund game
>play old games from gog instead
I do this, I still think this shit is fucking degenerate you retard.

>>716052116
>bad regulation
I will believe everything you say, JP Morgan!

>>716052369
How about I start a small scale protection racket to compete with private security firms. A lot of broken windows if you don't pay up. One of the oldest form of small companies in the world.
Or how about a fire brigade that'll buy your house on fire. You can just not sell it and watch it burn to the ground.

I love completely free markets.

>>716051938
If we erase the before times then the cattle don't know anything has changed.

Coming from /v/ who grave dances of every failed live service game like it's a ritual, to say that you now care to preserve them sounds like the usual contrarian move you'd pull. SKG started out with good intentions but you can't tell me that it hasn't been co-opted in some way with how things played out. People had a year to support it and once it was close to the end like it wasn't going to hit its goal, when it had to make one person the scapegoat for all things bad, somehow e-celebs and their fans cared because of the drama involved. Are you telling me all of them just happen to care about the cause at the same time or were they using it as a means to attack Pirate Software and spite signing in the process? Sadly, the latter sounds more reasonable than the former. If you can't detach this element from your movement, it will be seen as a weakness for the cause and you'll lose the normie crowd. That also doesn't get into the fact that they can't take a single amount of criticism. If you can't even handle that then you're going to be in trouble when you have to debate in front of a crowd to argue your point.

>>716052538
send forth ur strongest warrior so i can rape them in a battle of wits

>>716052058
Most indie online games rely on Steam framework, which they have no control over. So, if Gaben were to take the whole Steam down next week, they are obliged to be ready with a new online system built from scratch, according to SKG.

>>716052475
I guess it's time to learn to code then

>>716052450
Yes it is.
Why do you think it's not?

>>716052475
CORPO SHILL POST
THIS IS REPOSTED VERBATIM IN EVERY SKG THREAD
CALL OUT AND MOVE ON

>>716052043
>When you buy the game online you can search the terms of service
That's not on me. I don't think any other contract works like that
>when you buy it offline the box says that there are terms of service including not being able to edit the game for instance
Again, you can't "sign" these terms unless you've already bought the game
>I also live in europe which means that everything I earn, buy and use is taxed and regulated to shit which is not good
Which country do you live in?
>Most regulations do nothing but fuck over small businesses because they don't have the money to maintain 50 lawyers who do nothing but design ways to bypass said regulations.
Yet there are also regulations that are undoubtedly good. How will this specific regulation result in that?

>>716052578
It is time to admit we were wrong about tortanic.

>>716051096
It's not in a bad place because there is no consumer interest in the market, it's in a bad place because these companies are woefully inefficient, incompetent and or willfully out of touch with the markets demands.
Just because they are shitting their own beds doesn't mean they should be allowed to shit in your bed too

>>716052617
Because a popup window is not a legal document and a click is not a signature.

Honestly, corporations should have the right to kill their games. Just as I have the right to not pay them for their games.

>>716051943
>>more government overreach with regulatory hell
The literal only valid point but the government is gonna fuck me over anyway, I'd prefer companies trying to fuck me over also get fucked over instead of just being free to do as they please.
>>very bad for indies
Indies don't have the money for central servers, the only "indie" that does it is IOI (which is a decades old company that went indie only a few years ago while constantly engaging in anti-consumer practices out of pure greed) and removing that shit would do nothing, as the central servers exists purely to timegate content (thus not letting you play stuff you paid for) and keeping your saves on their servers. It costs more fucking money to require central servers you fucking retard, it's done purely because it also allows for greater returns because you can rip people off more efficiently.
>>monumental costs just to support the last 10 autists that are playing a dead game
Providing a solution in form of self hosting or patching out the central servers requirements isn't a monumental task, especially when you caused the issue in the first place.
It's like complaining about being forced to pick up your trash after you've been caught littering and then claiming picking it up is backbreaking work.
>>big corpo devs will make everything an online-only service with a 1 year expiry date
So like it is now? Even if it just forces publishers to specify game's lifespan it's still better than "we can kill the game at any moment" shit, especially since having to provide that information would be a massive hit to marketing.

Anyway, kill yourself.

>>716052739
How about no

>>716052687
You haven't explained why you think clicking "agree" next to a legal document isn't an agreement to a legal document yet.
Why not? Please, go ahead.

>>716052687
It is because the eula you just clicked agree on says it is.

>>716052604
>Most indie online games rely on Steam framework
To do what?

>>716052578
I don't care about preserving shit games I never played specifically, I care about preserving all games. Shit games just get in on the ticket for consistency

>>716052818
>>716052815
We're in Europe.EULA is nothing.

>>716052739
Truth.
Nobody has made a compelling argument for why developers can't kill their games yet.

>>716052854
I hate mr figree but this is genuinely fucking unhinged

>>716052892
I paid for something
You have no right to deny me the use of it

>>716052874
I'm in Europe too.
So please, explain why it's not legally binding.
Prove your claim to be true in your next reply, or I'll be forced to accept your concession.
Provide evidence to support your claim!

>>716052341
No one is asking for games to be maintained by any entity other than the players themselves. Who exactly would hire them anyway, since this would only come into effect when the devs have decided to drop support?

>>716052874
>dude, contracts mean nothing
ah yes this is where the commie reveals his colors

>>716052874
That is because you are infantilized and ignored by your government. Another billion somalis please!

Just me who notices copy pasted posts from past threads?

>>716052943
look at the views
it's trend chasing

>>716052892
>Nobody has made a compelling argument for why developers can't kill their games yet.
Don't need to make any arguments. EU dictates that if you buy a product, then you own it, and can use/abuse/repair/destroy/modify/etc. it in any way you see fit, as long as you aren't encroaching on anything IP/copyright related.

Simple as.

>>716052967
Ok, have this imaginary victory on a basket weaving forum. We're a bit too busy destroying your side in court.

>>716052768
>kill yourself
the self-proclaimed life affirming communist, everyone

>>716052854
>>716052943
in time you will join him in the sun

>>716052952
You paid for a game and played the game, but you don't keep paying to keep it running for longer than the publisher can support it

>>716052815
The legal document has not been verified to be legal by any lawyer or legal expert. Therefore it's null and worth as much as a blank piece of paper.

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOOOW!!!!

>>716052967
It's not legally binding if it comes at the cost of any laws already in place. That's why it may already be illegal for publishers to kill off games, since the EU recognizes that video games are sold as perpetual licenses

>>716053089
And nobody is asking for eternal support, you ignorant idiot

>>716052952
>I paid for something
That you agreed to buy, even tho the agreement says the license can (and will) be taken from you.
>You have no right to deny me the use of it
They do when you literally agree to it.
Why do you think otherwise?

>>716053036
Concession accepted, thanks for admitting you were wrong.
What's "my side"?

>>716052943
It's just farming people's anger for money. Supplying when there's demand is just business.

>>716049707
He's absolutely unhinged, fucking hell

>>716052967
EULAs can't legally bind you into something that is against the law, including consumer protection laws. They are also very easy to throw out in court

>>716053191
yes you did you stupid skigger trash, the company retains the IP forever and if they have to make their software available forever it means they are liable for its upkeep

why are you so fucking stupid?

>>716053089
The idea that a publisher needs to "support" the game is imaginary. I can play thousands of older games from defunct publishers.

>>716053131
>The legal document has not been verified to be legal by any lawyer or legal expert.
How can you prove that?
You sure are making a lot of work for yourself. You need to prove THIS claim to be true too!
Jeez!

>>716053160
>It's not legally binding
You need to prove this claim to be true.

>>716052967
Not the guy you are arguing with, but here you go.

>There has been substantial debate on to what extent EULAs can be considered binding. Many EULAs contain stipulations that are illegal and therefore unenforceable. Software vendors keep these unenforceable provisions in the agreements, perhaps because users rarely resort to the legal system to challenge them.
>Under the New Digital Content Directive effective since 2022 in the European Union, EULAs are only enforceable to the extent that they do not breach reasonable consumer expectations. The gap between expectations and the content of EULAs is especially wide when it comes to restrictions on copying and transferring ownership of digital content.

Basically the right to resell/repair and GDPR related things in EU make 9/10 EULAs completely void. There's also a thing about "unfair terms" that's much more broad and can basically be summed up as "a company can't grossly fuck you over" which is what most EULAs attempt to do.

>>716053204
Too bad such illegal contracts are void and null in europe
try again

>>716053141
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/Iwanttoplaythecrew.gif/
mindbroken tranny

I genuinely support the idea and Ross, but i dont see the point in bringing this here. The times when 4chan could achieve anything constructive are long gone, its complete chaos and permanent civil war now. Half of the people here are evil on principle, just so they could get the attention.

>>716053268
>You need to prove this claim to be true.
Prove what? That ToS and EULAs aren't legally binding if it comes at the cost of existing laws?

>>716053269
>he thinks "many" means "all"
Cute.
This doesn't say what you think it says.

>>716053261
How much upkeep does GTA4 need?

>>716052952
>oi, you got a license for that TV? Where's your driving license? Mate, you can't drive a modified car!
I guess enjoy paying corpos for the "right" to host servers with their game on it

>>716053286
You haven't proven your claim to be true.
Prove this is an illegal contract in your next reply.

>>716053339
Yes.

>>716053268
>you need to prove a negative
nah

>>716052835
To be a master server, at least.

>>716053343
>This doesn't say what you think it says.
It doesn't say what YOU think it says. There are some EULAs that are fair, that's what it is referring to. Those EULAs are ones that don't do any of what I mentioned, but like I already wrote, it's like 1/10 EULAs.

>>716053382
britbongs had a vote to specifically stay away from europe, retard

>>716049601
If SKG is really another gamergate, where's our own mascot?
>inb4 gordon freeman
Fuck you that's not an anime girl

>>716052739
Let me get this straigh. You want to give corporations the right to terminate the products YOU paid for........ remotely......... for whatever reason?
ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!???????

>>716053297
>>716053357
SHILL POSTS
THESE ARE REPOSTED IN EVERY SKG THREAD
CALL OUT AND IGNORE

>>716052854
Its crazy how hes the gift that keeps on giving
>got buttmad at generic code critiques
>people found out he and a suckup mod were buying their own bits to artificially inflate his twitch hype(against twitch ToS)
>dad who nepotism'd him the one thing he loves bragging about said maybe he shouldve beat his ass
>game is such a nothing burger its wikipedia article got deleted by wiki jannies(apperantly only him and his mods wrote anything on it and used himself only as sources)
All of this within what, the last month?

>>716053403
>He can't prove his own claim to be true
Concession accepted.

>>716053409
I'm still waiting for proof anon. Go ahead, prove your claims to be true.

>>716053057
>Communists
>Life affirming
Since fucking when?

>>716053416
No, they stayed away from the EU.
They are still Europe.

>>716053534
He'll never be a real woman or an anime girl

>>716053534
That's a corporate shill.

>>716053297
>>716053357
I was gonna use my old pic, but 2 more entries have been added.
>think of the poor ind-ACK

>>716053507
Can you prove that you aren't the one being wrong in this discussion? Go ahead, I'll wait for your proof.

>>716053268
>How can you prove that?
I go to a lawyer and he tells me to fuck off because a click is not my signature.

>>716053297
It's kind of a stupid point but not completely wrong.
The FAQ answers a lot of "is this possible" questions. Many contradictory things are possible even if just one ends up happening. Contradictory things also happen when you're talking about two different games. Two different games have two different outcomes. This shouldn't be a difficult concept.

>>716053615
Sure, after you do what I asked.
I did ask first, so it's only fair.
Go ahead :3

>>716053479
They already have that right and I do not support companies that are abusive to their supporters.

A company can absolutely turn off their game and have it remain unplayable. I don't feel entitled to host a private server for games that are past EoS

>>716053597
And you are a wonderful person

>be ross
>get bullied for sounding like a retard
>crusades against online games
what does banning online games actually accomplish?

>>716053697
Here you go - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31993L0013

Now go ahead and prove that you aren't wrong.

>>716053662
>The FAQ answers a lot of "is this possible" questions
By going
>it's a grey area
>it's only in America
And other nonsense showing how little they actually understand.

>>716053640
Then prove it to me nigga!
If it's true, it should be easy to prove.
Why can't you do it?

>>716053583
He ingested a special mold that gave him the autism to stand up to Ubisoft. Give him enough time to metamorphosize into his final form.

>>716053394
>Yes.
I have to prove to you that EULAs and ToS can't break laws? You think someone can legally murder you if you sign a contract for it first? No, because murder is fucking illegal no matter what the contract says. Fucking hell, you people have no arguments that could actually convince someone, just myopic semantics and constant misdirection

>>716053726
You still haven't proven that the terms you are referring to are "unfair", like I asked you to do previously.
Don't be scared.

>>716049601
>Game journalists are
…even bigger whores than actual sluts who suck-off horses for a living?

>>716053748
I'm not entirely satisfied how the FAQ answers the questions, that's for sure. Answering what's possible isn't a good answer in my opinion. A lot of things are possible.

>hey chatgpt, how should I feel about SKG?
>hey chatgpt, write what I feel about SKG as a 4chan post
>copy pastes result here
Such is the zoomer brain

>>716053357
i wonder if people really believe that it's hard to make online-only games play offline
as if literally all indie games with MP were hosting servers instead of letting the players create dedicated servers or just allowing p2p hosting and as if this wasn't the easiest solution that has been applied in gaming's infancy because it's literally that much easier to implement and the only reason it's been dropped is jewery

>the EU is fucking based!
>stabs you in the back anyways

>>716053827
Why are you being so dishonest? We could have had an actual genuine conversation instead of this.

>>716053817
>>Yes.
>I have to prove to you that EULAs and ToS can't break laws?
Yes.

>>716053705
>They already have that right
No, they don't. They are currently trying to normalize this but they don't have the right. Have you noticed how Nintendo isn't bicking consoles in the EU but can brick them in the US? The EU is still fighting this corporate overreach. I don't understand why are Amercans are not fighting(ok , i kinda understand why they are not fighting right now with all of the shit i am seeing on the news but did American never fight before?).

>>716051125
>Regulations bad for companies with no monies
>Let's just get rid of things like regulation, cybersecurity, benefits, and hiring practices unless you're a fortune 500
>This way, a large portion of the market can sell and hire in predatory ways with no repercussions
US Chamber of Congress argued that fines related to GDPR should only be in acted after some harm is done. They US, money-printing, machine wants you to have your rights infringed before they will act. They want your data distributed and sold. They want your likeness used for AI without compensation. They want massive corporations to snub out businesses.
The US hates EU regulation because it's anti-capitalist

>>716053909
Why can't you prove your own claims to be true?
I have asked 3 times now.

>>716053919
You utter moron. National law always overrides contract law. If I make a drug contract and the deal is illegal no judge will enforce it.

>>716053919
So you currently think that you can, in fact, commit murder if someone signs a contract that says you can murder them?

>>716052943
Here is a deal. You pay for it. When it dies, they refund you. Everyone wins?

>>716053827
>linked a wall of text
>replied in under 2 minutes
At least delay your reply to pretend you read it

>>716053945
>Have you noticed how Nintendo isn't bicking consoles in the EU but can brick them in the US
Have you also noticed that there isn't a single instance of a console being bricked by a company anywhere?

>>716053849
Like it or not, Gaming journalists still have a lot of power in the industry. Splitgate 2 got absolutely fucking cancelled because the main dev wore a "make fps great again" hat.

>>716053717
thanks to skg you have a job. because someone is paying you for shitposting this way, right? you are not doing it for free anon?

>>716051030
someone should trace and shoot your bitch ass in the face faggot libcuck jewish slave most indie dev are retard gay faggot lefties furry anyway pixel bro go suck pixel dick wimpy cunt underpant deltacuck motherfucker

>>716053980
>National law always overrides contract law.
Supply evidence, retard. What are you so afraid of? Just do it

>>716053987
Where did I say that? Quote the exact post.
I just think that anon hasn't proven his claims to be true yet. Wonder what he's so afraid of?

>>716054013
NTA but linking something is all well and good but you haven't shown it's relevance to your a argument or that you yourself comprehend it.

It's false advertising. You are not buying a game. You are leasing it. It should be advertised as such.

>>716053893
You mean like what China and the USA are already doing? If the EU wasn't under constant pressure by USA/China/Russia hybrid and trade warfare we wouldn't be here. The USA/China and Russia are making the world shittier for the rest of us. Even videogames.

>>716054026
That guy didn't get raped by gaming journalists because of his hat. He got raped because he complained about the state of the FPS genre, while then making a shitty FPS game that's the exact same as the games he complained about. His insane hypocrisy is what got him destroyed.

>>716054046
fuck you bastard bitch

>>716053945
They aren't bricking console, they're banning them from Nintendo's services.

>>716054096
Go ask chatgpt since you clearly are incapable of thinking on your own

>>716049946
I signed in August 2024

>>716050901
>he doesn't have the latest MacBook & iPad combo to smash capitalism even more effectively
NGMI

>>716054159
>He can't prove his own claims to be true.
Then you lose.

>>716054096
>Where did I say that? Quote the exact post.
You need proof that contracts can't break laws, which must inherently mean that you think murder is legal if you sign a contract that says so. If you don't think that, then why the fuck are you asking for proof, you silly fuck?

>>716054101
Maybe that text will show why he is right and you should just read it

>>716054117
This is spelled out for you in the ToS of every game released since the 2000s, why it hasn't been an issue until now just proves Americans aren't the only illiterate country

>>716054026
how people with skin that thin can live?

>>716054139
great, so lets just sign away more of our freedoms just because other countries are already doing it!

>>716053893
>the X is fucking based!
>stabs you in the back anyways
Many such cases.

>>716054226
He's just a contrarian who lost the argument once people actually started linking him things, and now he's attempting to just be as obtuse as possible.

If this is supposed to fail or it's going to change nothing, then why are corposhills trying to stop it so desperately?

>>716054216
Prove oxygen exists because your brain is clearly not getting any

>>716049030 (OP)
>lobbying groups already parroting the pirate software talking points of "WE CANT SUPPORT GAMES FOREVER"
what a bunch of niggers

>>716051774
Kill yourself cp spamming shill

>>716053960
That is just the free market at work commie.

>>716049713
>agree to not fuck over consumer
>get mad when consumers force the dildo of consequences up your ass
Welcome to Europa faggot

>>716054226
>You need proof that contracts can't break laws
Why do I need proof of that? I've never made that claim once.

>>716054296
Sorry that you lost anon, no need to get so upset.
If you want to win, literally just prove me wrong. Should be easy for you and your massive iq

>>716054307
It'll cut into profit margins either way.

>>716054026
>A literally nepotistic Jewish circlejerk is still raking-in billions despite nobody buying shit for years
Is it possible to learn this power (without losing your foreskin)?

>>716054317
Why are you so upset?

>>716049707
>HE DOESNT EVEN PLAY GAMES
>literally hours and hours and hours of him playing weird forgotten games
Further, why would that matter even if he didn't? My mom doesn't play video games but if I told her "what if Nintendo decided you weren't allowed to play Tetris on the gameboy one day while you were pregnant with me 30 some odd years ago" shed get it

>>716054307
It's a lot cheaper to demoralize or distract the population than to fight the population

So... when will games stop getting killed? You have your 1mil signatures, where are results? Why can't I play Crew and Concord yet? Surely this isn't just one big scam r-right haha?
>inb4 j-just 2 more weeks!

>>716054553
Pathetic bait.

>>716053717
>the sharty has taken the side of the ferret fucker
God damn, they really can't do anything right.

>>716054520
>what if Nintendo stopped you playing Tetris 30 years ago*
>*and you already agreed to it
I'm sure she'd think it sucks, but ultimately it's just a lesson in reading the fine print.

>>716054503
When are you going to prove oxygen exists?

>>716053760
Ross is the first successful deployment of the R-Type bioweapon as developed by The Connections. The E-Q types were ultimately failures.

This reminds me of the time I worked for a car company and someone was mad that their engine blew up and we didn't make that engine anymore because the car was like 7 years old. He made the same arguments, how dare we prevent him from repairing his car.

SKG has devolved into a cult of blind worship. I’m glad I jumped ship a long time ago. They’ve become irrational, even proclaiming an early victory.
No shit corporations are going to act harshly to this movement, and they’re going to outmaneuver with their more prominent lobbies and experienced attorneys.
SKG’s biggest obstacle is itself. It’s Kony2012 all over again and their slacktivism is going to disintegrate. I tried warning Leddit and KarenFarms, but they’re so high up their own asses that they lost sight of what’s actually happening.
They have no push or organization people don’t know the actors in this movement aside from Fungus Man; it’s just “Daddy gubment pwease don’t led them take away my toys!!” And the legislators are absolutely going to look down on gamers like that. Apple got ensnared but only because everyone has an iPhone that prompted the EU to force them to have USBs. Nobody likes gamers, and for good reason.

Oh, so corporations suddenly don't want government meddling?

Perfect, let's abolish copyright and everyone wins.

>>716054610
Those niggers are just contrarians.

>>716052943
Not when you realize that he made a cute underaged furfag girl become a troon during SecondLife's peak relevancy, only to abandon her for a dickless faggot who pegs him with animal dildos.

>>716054627
When you answer my previous questions, because I asked first and it's only fair.
Please, go ahead. Don't be butthurt. Join in on the discussion, and prove your own claims to be true, so we can continue.

Stop shitting up the video game board with your slacktivism.

>>716049030 (OP)
Based

>>716054621
>read the fine print
No contract was agreed to prior to purchase, Jew.

>>716054621
>ultimately it's just a lesson in reading the fine print.
And the EU has protections against corporations fucking over consumers over that kind of bullshit

So what games were you personally affected of being killed. Mine were
>Lawbreakers
>Miitomo
>Love Live School Idol Festival
>Overwatch 1
>Gundam Evolution

Also related to copyright issues, which I don't think SKG covers:
>Transformers War for Cybertron
>Transformers Fall of Cybertron
>Forza Horizon 4

>>716054667
>can’t purchase engine repair of a seven years old car
Corpos cant be raped soon enough.

>>716054234
It's your argument, the onus is on you to prove your point anon, not shove a link in their face and make them do your work for you.

>>716054717
We're talking about agreeing to terms and services before playing/on purchase of the game.
Try and keep up.

>>716054707
I'm not answering anything until your prove oxygen exists

>>716054667
shit that never happened: the post

>>716054667
>ancient drivers be driving 7 year old cars
What dogshit car corpo do you work for? My bike and truck are 20 years old and all the parts are still manufactured or at least abundant in warehouses

>>716049707
The co-creator of OldManMurray finally experiencing troll's remorse?
I wonder if he's also gonna troon-out like most users of SA done so over the past decade. . .

>>716053297
>net neutrality is le bad

>>716054734
Does it? Can you show me the exact laws and where they specify these agreements? Thanks!

>>716054802
>I'm not answering
Then I'm forced to accept your concession due to your lack of participation.

>>716050450
gods love is worthless then

>>716054789
My mom would not believe she agreed to any terms of service when she bought her gameboy and copy of Tetris that she owns, jew

Corpojeets aren't people.

>>716054882
So you agree that you lost and I won, got it

>>716054715
Stop raping ferrets Jason