Thread 716079241

if providing end-of-life plans is as trivial as Ross claims, why, as he claims, is the industry so desperate to prevent it?

Because every industry wants to be deregulated.

>>716079241 (OP)
Because killing games increases their profits, difficulty is not the issue.

>>716079241 (OP)
Planned and forced obsolescence are both powerful tools to sell the consumer on the next iteration of thing
I'm surprised they weren't already doing it by shutting down the servers for the next one with the yearly fifa games in order to mill the brazilians and euros for as much as possible

>>716079241 (OP)
well the initiative would prevent publishers from, for instance, disabling a game people have bought in order to force players to purchase a sequel, impacting potential future profits

>>716079241 (OP)
If they destroy your current game, you'll be forced to buy the sequel to keep playing.

>>716079241 (OP)

Because
1. It adds extra work
2. People won't buy online games becuase they know when they do bad and the servers have to closs they'll have an offline mode = It will be pirateable

>>716079241 (OP)
Because they know people will not buy their next slop if they can keep playing the old one.

>>716079568
This. It's a planned obsolescence racket. "Oh no, shame about AssCreed 2 no longer being playable due to us shutting down the servers, why not give AssCreed Niggercock a try? :^)"

>>716079423
took me a while to spot
kek

>>716079241 (OP)
Are you retarded? Corporations in america put cancer causing chemicals that are extremely easy to substitute in your drinks just because. It might cost one cent more to use something else, but they won't do it and have thrown shitfits in the past when people suggested they should. This is something that is literally just common sense EVERYWHERE else in the world. If they can save even one cent doing something another way, they will.

>>716079241 (OP)
>why, as he claims, is the industry so desperate to prevent it?
same reason why light bulb manufacturers don't increase the lifespan of their bulbs
money

>>716079241 (OP)
Gee, I fucking wonder

>>716079672
>People won't buy online games becuase it will be piratable in the future
games are piratable in the future right now and that doesn't stop them from selling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQN_ZA5WRpo
The arguments are so retarded, they'll claim ross made the complaint himself as a false-flag operation. I can see it now

>>716079774
Well it is illegal for a publicly owned company to not pursue profits after all.

>>716079241 (OP)
>trivial
I don't give a fuck if it's the most arduous, laborious thing in the world to do, they should be forced to do it. Fuck em.

>>716079241 (OP)
>if you did nothing wrong then let these cops search your house

>make game 1
>everyone loves it
>make game 2 with a higher price point and MTX
>everyone hates it
>force everyone to stop playing game 1 so they have to move on to game 2
See: literally anything Blizzard has made for the past 20 years

>>716079976

Most perma online games aren't crackable.
See Dune, Anthem, Redfall, Elder scorlls online, battlefront, etc.

EA milks BILLIONS out of retards every year with just FIFA alone
they kill the online after 3 years (wiping every paypig's messis) and herd them in to the shiny new $80 UI recolor
now imagine they're forced to give up even a milimeter of this scheme
no shit they're ready to burn literal billions fighting this

>>716079241 (OP)
>Such a requirement could lead to community-supported versions of games competing with official versions, potentially jeopardizing the financial investments of the video games companies.

>>716079241 (OP)
They don't like the thought of laws preventing them from fucking people over.

>>716079241 (OP)
>so desperate to prevent it?
Because stealing the product you paid for is a way to coerce you into buying the new version of product.
If they can't do that, they'll have to actually put effort into making product that can compete with the previous iteration and thus be worth paying for. It's not rocket surgery.

>>716079241 (OP)
Because they hate you. If killing half the country saved them a couple pennies they would do it in a heartbeat.

>>716080340
The people who move to private servers are lost customers either way.
No one stopped playing WoW because of TurtleWoW, they had already given up and a private server was a way for them to hang around.

>>716079241 (OP)
>why, as he claims, is the industry so desperate to prevent it?
Same reason that we no longer can have LAN support, dedicated servers, modding tools, map making tools, and so on.

Developers and publishers are jews who want to keep their game as closed as possible, so they can jew you as much as possible.

>>716080926
>LAN support, dedicated servers, modding tools, map making tools, and so on.
Daily reminder that Blizzard killed all of this in Starcraft 2 because they're eternally pissed about not being able to steal and monetize DOTA
Globalist megacorps are the antithesis of innovation and expression.

>>716079241 (OP)
The press is always hungry, but food is expensive.
If they can just put in minimal effort and don't have to compete with themselves, then they will do that.
>>716079987
That's partially a meme. The problem is in the incentive structures and nepotism on the stockmarket facing side of the business as a whole.
>>716080340
Some of the most popular games around are sequels to unofficial mods or even mods of mods...

>>716079241 (OP)
>if providing end-of-life plans is as trivial as Ross claims
Yes. There is a reason we can play 99.999999999% of all old videogames. Videogame publishers have to go trough extra steps in order to make games killable.

>>716081080
Globalized copyright was a mistake and we should have cut down the duration as self-publishing started to become feasible without the involvement of publishing companies. The scope of copyright is simply completely overblown, because it assumes the involvement of a publisher and large legal team.

>>716079241 (OP)
If people continue playing old games then they are less likely to spend money on new games. Publishers would 100% nuke your entire collection of "legacy" games every year if they could. It would be in their best interest. That doesn't mean they should be allowed to do it.

devs don't want to have to compete against their older games. If people are allowed to play those, they'll notice how shit the new ones are

>>716079672
Anon, Baldur's Gate 3 was piratable on GOG day one DRM free and it sold more than 15 million copies.

>>716079241 (OP)
>why do companies wish to engage in planned obsolescence

You don't understand. Localhost is literally lost technology. You might as well ask how the crystal skulls were made.

>>716079241 (OP)
Because the videogame market is plateauing and the industry knows it. AAA videogames are a market that has continued to exist by virtue of the rapid technological leaps and advances. For better or worse, the top end of the games market nowadays is built to cater to graphics whores. However, technology is plateauing in what can be done.

The industry is thus faced with a choice: it needs to pivot and find other innovation, or it needs some way of controlling the product lifecycle. Pretty much like film companies have been doing for the last decades already. Carefully taking media off the market for it to reappraise over time and be reintroduced in special collector's boxes. Or for remakes and reboots to take the space of the original. They to have been relying on advances in media quality, from VHS, to DVD, to 4K BlueRay, to be able to get people to upgrade and rebuy.

The videogame industry has been doing the same. Spent literal decades carefully maneouvering the market into a position where it can start getting acquainted to the idea of 'not owning your games' anymore. This is what XBox Game Pass is. This is what Yves Guillemot blatantly ran his mouth off about against the media, with his "gamers need to get used to the idea of not owning their games."

Now if actualy LEGISLATORS get involved and tell them to stick their long-term plans where the sun don't shine.
Well... they can't have that. In the very literal sense; they can't have that, because it completely fucks over their entire long term plan. And they DO NOT have backups. They are not agile enough to pivot, with the huge money sink that is committing budget to an AAA project.

We're watching the dinosaurs going extinct, in real time.
And this is their last stampede.

>>716080340
Good. If you can't compete with a handful of modders working for free your studio deserves to die.

>>716081635
>Localhost is literally lost technology.
Many such cases

>>716079921
Still bafled at that statmentt they put on steam about adding an offline mode for TC2

>>716079241 (OP)
Because not only does it make them no money, it forces them to compete with their old products. If the old game is still playable after the release of the new one, then the new one has to be better in order to make the people still playing the old one switch over. That's bad for business.

>>716080174
>Slop
>Dead Mega Slop
>Ultra Slop
>Slop that's still active
>Star Slop
People only pirate games that are good, anon.

>>716079241 (OP)
because why would a profit driven entity do anything other than the bare minimum? fuck you retarded shill

>>716081669
>Because the videogame market is plateauing and the industry knows it. AAA videogames are a market that has continued to exist by virtue of the rapid technological leaps and advances. For better or worse, the top end of the games market nowadays is built to cater to graphics whores. However, technology is plateauing in what can be done.
>The industry is thus faced with a choice: it needs to pivot and find other innovation, or it needs some way of controlling the product lifecycle. Pretty much like film companies have been doing for the last decades already. Carefully taking media off the market for it to reappraise over time and be reintroduced in special collector's boxes. Or for remakes and reboots to take the space of the original. They to have been relying on advances in media quality, from VHS, to DVD, to 4K BlueRay, to be able to get people to upgrade and rebuy.
I can't believe this anon is posting from 2006.

>>716081789
>AI
lmao kek



def best_target(players, ref_x, ref_y):
# max_distance = aggro range before monster attacks
mh = max(p.health for p in players)
md = max(p.dist(ref_x, ref_y) for p in players)
return min(players, key=lambda p: ((p.health / mh) + (p.dist(ref_x, ref_y) / md)) / 2)

>>716079241 (OP)
still not signing this neo-fascist nazi racist commie garbage to destroy innocent companies.

>>716082291
Motherfuckers are so braindead that in 200 years you'll have AI genned videos saying that carpentry joints were impossible to do without lasers and advanced alien technology.

Just finished watching Ross's new video... jesus fucking christ they are trying everything aren't they?

>>716079241 (OP)
Because if you can continue to play (okd thing) after the devs released (new thing) that's less sales for (new thing) meaning less money for C-suite's to buy another ferrari
Anybody that's against consumer protection movements such as SKG is either someone who directly profits off you buying the newest thing every 2 years or is some corpo bootlicker likely getting paid to argue against it (remember when people found out Ubisoft was paying Indians to shill their games on 4chan? They're doing the same thing against SKG because Ubisoft and every company lobbying against it wants you to constantly be buying the new fomo game)

>>716082483
There's actually a technique they used to make those arches in stone buildings and such

>>716079241 (OP)
because they want you to play a new version with less content and worse monetization

>>716082160
Sorry. character limit. Wanted to toss something in there about video already having transitioned into streaming service slop, but clipped it out.

>>716082483
>200 years you'll have AI genned videos saying that carpentry joints were impossible to do without lasers and advanced alien technology.
That already happens now

>>716080828
literally me. i refuse to give blizzard any money for ruining WoW, and i'll never make a purchase with blizzard again, so i'd rather play a free and better version of their game.

>>716079241 (OP)
I've filtered this stupid gay image at least 30 times by now

>>716082534
They have yet to begin. I hope Ross consults with his lawyer to cover his ass. These fuckers are going to try anything and everything to sabotage the initiative.
Like he said in his video: the industry will spend more money trying to sabotage legislation than what it'll cost to implement new standards and development processes to make end-of-life plans for their online only games.
Because greed is not rational. Even if it costs them as little as 3 cents more than they'll scream bloody murder.

So what games were you personally affected of being killed. Mine were
>Lawbreakers
>Miitomo
>Love Live School Idol Festival
>Overwatch 1
>Gundam Evolution

Also related to copyright issues, which I don't think SKG covers:
>Transformers War for Cybertron
>Transformers Fall of Cybertron
>Forza Horizon 4

>>716081921
>we'll give you the premium opportunity to buy shit from us
I legitimately hope to see the death of western AAAs within my lifetime

>>716082974
congrats on your transition

I'm not signing this initiative because one day if I work hard I might be a mega rich shareholder in video games and I might make 0.05 percent less than I would have.

>>716082610
Even Epic has recently posted on X that they had nothing to do with the stance taken by Video Games Europe - of which they are a member; and that they're distancing themselves from the open letter VGE put out recently.

It's blatantly, PAINFULLY, obvious that there are a few companies heavily involved in periodically cycled short-lived GaaS games (::cough:: Ubisoft, EA, Sony ::cough::) who are calling the shots there.

>>716079241 (OP)
It becomes a lot harder to sell someone an iterative sequel filled with monetization options when the original still has a thriving community.

>>716079672
>>716079976
games are piratable prior to the official release and that doesn't stop them from selling

>>716083058
Yeah true. It sounds a little parasocial but I do feel scared for Ross, he's just a moldman against big money. The initiative itself may go through, but who knows what the industry will try to do to him.

>>716083201
See, that mindset doesn't make sense to me either. Once you pass the "I can buy anything for personal use" threshold, climbing higher is just insanity or a mindless habit.

Makes me think that shareholders are just proto-gachafags addicted to wasting their lives on growing numbers.

>>716083058
>they'll scream bloody murder

With the stakes riding on this, I'm honestly becoming more and more afraid of one of them crossing the line and actually COMMITTING bloody murder. Remember everyone: Ross is of sound mind, healthy body, has a loving wife, fond things in life, and is absolutely not depressed and certainly not suicidal...

>>716083253
>Video game lobbying group
>Look inside
>Only represents a few members instead of the entire board

>>716083201
>tranime sissy
why are eurabians like this?

>>716082629
It's why I wish schools brought tradesmen in like stone masons to show techniques that don't use power tools.

>>716082748
The endless sloptide.

>>716083201
Made me kek, thanks anon.

>>716083091
>Also related to copyright issues, which I don't think SKG covers:
>>Transformers War for Cybertron
>>Transformers Fall of Cybertron
>>Forza Horizon 4
1º SKG is not retrospectvely applied
2º, Forza horizon 4 already can be played without conecting to the servers
3º Copyright my ass. Those issue end at he moment the company doesn´t make any money from them. If your CR contact allowes you to use thee matrial for 10 years, and then, when the end of the contract reaches it´s limits you have 2 options, 1-extend the contract, so you can sell more, o 2- stop selling the product, wich is what M$ does ith any Forza.

>>716079241 (OP)
because the industry wants you to buy their new slop

>>716083568
>It's why I wish schools brought tradesmen in like stone masons to show techniques that don't use power tools.
Does the US high school system have a strong trades emphasis? I know here in FUCKING LEAFland my high school experience was nonstop "hey come learn trades" and we had everything from carpentry to cabinetry, welding, automotive, electrical, metal fabrication, cooking, and so on. We even had the option to complete the final half year of high school in a trades college instead if we'd like
Its why I ended up in trades instead of going into some sort of IT field and now 11 years later I chill next to a cnc mill with 30 minute runtimes making skf bearing housings

>>716083107
I have the game, those credits are the currency you earn through races. The premium (paid) urrency is called "crew credits"

>>716083979
>Does the US high school system have a strong trades emphasis?
No, and it strongly depends on the state and school district.

>>716079241 (OP)
he sic'd his goons on him

>>716079558
You will learn to like Overwatch 2, and Thor's dad at Blizzard wouldn't give you a choice.

https://mega.nz/file/W3YTHCqQ#i-D2f_fgILqBILJiavLwX-eh3pUPGnYeaQfdadiFH20

LOL @ these pussies making an "anonymous complaint" full of bullshit

>>716084359
I bet Jason wrote this

>>716084359
Their reasoning is so faulty and bullshit. I'm not even sure what the "rickshaw" evidence is supposed to show. Even if they take it as the metaphor it is, that Ross has been the one pulling it over the line... yeah? He's been one of the most consistent over supporting the initiative because he founded the movement that tried all of these avenues to get it rectified.

>>716079672
>1. It adds extra work
adding all that shit to make it a GaaS is extra work

>>716079241 (OP)
Dumbest fucking question but unironically >>716079342this. The whole point of ELUA is to legally abstain from any responsibility and obligation for the product. If they could've written that you owe them money too by engaging with the product they would, but unfortunately for them, basic human rights exist. Ironical those "human rights" are there for exact reason companies are against killing games too, it robs them from their freedom and makes their life "difficult" the argument works for both parties as much as it sucks to be so.

>>716083419
They live in a completely different world. It isn't just about gambling. It's just genuine mental illness that they need to accumulate more, they need to convince themselves that if they make a penny less, that will somehow spiral into a million less further down the road.

>>716079241 (OP)
Because it's about eliminating competition from old products. Planned obsolescence. Buy the new game, no you will not play the old game we ended its life.

>>716084676
>Planned obsolescence. Buy the new game, no you will not play the old game we ended its life.
chad, commiecels have no response.

>>716079241 (OP)
Because they literally admitted that the current model is designed to force customers to buy the new slop instead of happily playing the old games.

>>716079241 (OP)
Because its harder for them to monetize the games if they do.
Its the reason why companies like ubisoft tried switching to an online only game store. And then the games had literally none or barely any online functionality, and yet it required a login.

Its DRM and the second reason is being able to sell sequels. Why should people buy a game like Civilization on launch? There is barely any reason to do so. The previous game has more dlc, has gone trough multiple balance passes, more content... its dumb to buy the new game on release. And I can guarantee you, that some suit was just having a massive erection, one that definitely lasted all day long, a really unhealthy one, over the idea that they could just turn off the old game, and force people to buy the new one.
No more splitting your player base, no need for massive marketing campaigns.

>>716079342
Yet all the big copos want it to be regulated, so is harder for new companies come and take any slice of the cake that nddusry can provide. They don´t want to be regulated agaisnt them

>>716079672
>It will be pirateable
if the servers are going down because it's unprofitable why the fuck would they give a shit, you stupid retard?

>>716079672
>1. It adds extra work
False. Adding online components and making it connect to a server adds extra work. They could chose to release games with full offline capabilities like they used too, but the shareholders demand always online DRM. Because every time I pirate a game, they lose literally the full box price. (the reason why I continuously pirate games, delete and repeat, I single handedly cost them millions)
>2. People won't buy online games becuase they know when they do bad and the servers have to closs they'll have an offline mode = It will be pirateable
Absolute BS. Never happened, and never will happen.
This is so far removed from reality and from how gaming works, that I could actually believe some CEO wrote it.

>>716084359
STOP KILLING RICKSHAWS

>>716084626
It's worse than than just greed and the rich tend to despise the lower classes. Not only because they are seen as less educated and cultured, but because they feel they deserve everything they got. It's someone else's fault if they don't become rich. They hate the very character and roughness of the non-posh, immigrants, etc. They invent reasons to hate the other classes so they don't feel any guilt as they rob them blind whenever feasible.

Their entire culture encourages sociopathy.

>>716079241 (OP)
'Cause they're cheap as hell and know that they can no longer replicate what placed them at the top. That's why they're trying to fight preservation, because they want people to forget the better past and embrace their modern trash.

>>716085065
Thesee retards can´t see that this being implemented would even boost their sales, since they could be played forever.

>>716082291
You joke, but watching AI bots play dota against pro teams was hilarious. The bots just did some weird ass jank strategy, and nothing made sense, but it just worked.

>>716085185
end of life probably implies they'd stop selling it

>>716085319
yes, but people wouldd be more inclned to buy it in it´s sale window, ince it wouldnt expire.

>>716084213
That's too bad
I'm obviously a little biased but I think trades are a great field to teach someone how to be a hard working and practical person
I just wish it didnt attract so many nutjobs who think doing any sort of academic stuff as a hobby meant you were a jew liberal cuck working for (((them)))

>>716085185
>played forever.
This implies a risk, a 0.9% chance that a player will decide to continue playing the old game instead of paying for a new one.

>>716079241 (OP)
They don’t want to compete with their own old games and innovate. That’s expensive.

>>716084359
>>716084425
>>716084498
>claiming that volunteer effort counts as funding based on some imagined salary
What the fuck...?
Surely I'm misinterpreting this.

>>716085134
Fuck me AI is good for shitposts if nothing else LMAO

REMEMBER /v/, REMEMBER

>>716085810
>Surely I'm misinterpreting this.
No you are not. That's their argument, seriously.

>>716085810
They are saying it is "unreasonable" for someone to dedicate that much time for free and using those volunteer hours as their calculation on how much money Ross would be making using an absurd hourly rate.
It's out of touch bullshit or, more likely, just maliciousness

>>716085810
>>claiming that volunteer effort counts as funding based on some imagined salary
That is their claim, yes. It's bullshit anyway under EUs own rules

>>716085134
lel

>>716085926
umm let's not get gamergate-adjacent nativist nazi white nationalist trash propoganda associated with the movement poltroon....

>>716079241 (OP)
Why the tobacco industry denies the link between smoking and lung cancer, despite scientific evidence?
Why the automobile industry opposed the regulations on emissions, fuel efficiency, and installation of seatbelts?
Why did the asbestos industry cover-up the health risks associated with exposure to asbestos fibers?
Why the sugar industry downplay the health risks associated with sugar consumption?
Why the fuel industry hid the fact they used lead into the new fuel formula?
[...]

There are countless examples. We saw this happening over and over.
Maybe, one day, niggers like you will be enough intelligent to understand.

>>716085008
They want regulation overseen by the big players, cartels and oligopolies.

>>716079241 (OP)
The same reason hardware manufacturers sell you products that are intentionally shitty: to make you buy a new one. It's called "planned obsolescence", and its the reason why everything we buy now is terrible. It's not just video games. Live service games are just another iteration of this anti-consumer bullshit.
There's also the fact that companies do NOT want you repairing your own devices. The fact that certain places don't even have "right to repair" laws speaks for itself.
You hit them right here where it hurts, and they'll never stop bitching and moaning.

>>716080636
>mfw every time I see that flyer

>>716079241 (OP)
Literally just upload server files before shutting down your shitty games. Problem solved.

>>716085134
kek

Tomorrow it'll turn out that Ross raped hundreds of anonymous women in the past decades.
This is how the initiative dies.

>>716086054
SKG is inherently right-wing.
Haven't you noticed the chuds are on SKG side and LGBT are against it?

请在我的请愿书上签名好吗

I hope it's not trivial and it hurts the companies that have to start complying. It's revenge at this point. I really don't care if Ubisoft goes out of business.

>>716085873
AI peaked early

>>716082534
not yet, they haven't accused him of sexual assault of a minor

>>716086276
petition is already signed

>>716083091
City of Heroes

>>716086369
I meant thousands of women, all underage

>>716079241 (OP)
Private server tools are really not that hard to create. The reason why they don't do it is because Activision can't sell you yearly COD sequels if people actually enjoy the previous game and think the new one is shit.

>>716086304
Hardly. Tons of lefty YouTubers boosted it. Unsurprisingly since it’s not a partisan issue at all, it’s big tech getting held accountable. Libertarians are basically the only ones who’d dislike SKG on principle.

>>716085810
>>716086001
they're actually claiming it can't be volunteering because the hours are too high

>>716086472
Petition doesn’t unsign itself, he’s not even running it.

>>716086558
>Lefty Youtubers
Such as?

>>716079241 (OP)
just look at how hitman 3 peacock does it. If some fucking autists can do it - why can't corps? Its retarded that it's even discussed.

>>716086304
SKG is so universally supported that it crosses all political spheres.
Only the most uniquely retarded of the libertarians oppose this and obviously people in the industry that stand to lose when the gravy train stops.
Other than that, it's a 90-10 issue.

>>716086304
>LGBT are against it
If you count that one Twitter ragebait claiming it's some chud thing because Asmongold and Pewdiepie support it that's getting reposted here daily, then yes.
In the real world, no.

You shit is serious when even DSP out of all humans on earth is for SKG when he won't be making any money off of it.

>>716086472
lucky lad, petition is still signed

>>716086682
>DSP is for SKG
Proof?

>>716086526
>Private server tools are really not that hard to create
They already exist, just that they are "held hostage" by the company.

I'm kinda afraid 1.4 won't cut it and it's slowing down. When your main promoters are people with a 70 IQ audience average like asmongold and pewdiepie I think a lot of non europeans signed it "as a joke".
Not concern trolling.

>>716079241 (OP)
Because they want to force people to buy the sequels to said games even if said sequels are barely different or downright downgrades (or both).

Not to mention so that if they stop supporting a game then you won't end up with your cash stolen if you put all that money into micro-transactions, DLCs and other such stuff.

>>716086767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5YxYxu1Y1k&t=56s
At the start. But you have to endure a few minutes of him lying he doesn't know who PS is because he loves to yapp so much.

>>716086632
Pat and Woolie, close personal friends of The Sphere Hunter

>>716086054
I have no idea what you're talking about. I shared it because it's a good anti-bootlicking-faggot image.

>>716079241 (OP)
>why, as he claims, is the industry so desperate to prevent it?
Think about why Apple was intentionally bricking iphones with updates when newer models were around the corner

>>716086946
>The Sphere Hunter
>577k subs
lol, that's nothing

>>716084359
People have made jokes before but I think they're genuinely afraid now. They can't stop the initiative so they're coming after Ross personally.
>>716084425
>Trying to shut down volunteer work as undisclosed funding because that's what he'd be getting paid for if this was just a job to him
Jesus fucking Christ. These people aren't human.

>>716087038
>intentionally bricking iphones with updates
evidence for this?

>>716086276
But he's not tied to the initiative in any way? The legal documents that go into parliament don't have his name anywhere, he isn't even an EU citizen for fuck sake. The "Stop Killing Games" is his way of promoting the actual initiative "Stop Destroying Videogames".

I saw Ross Scott at a Żabka in Poland yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him ranting as I walked away

>>716086526
All online games already have those. How else would companies test new content or bugfixes without having their own version to work on?

>>716086436
CoH has legit private servers now. I'm surprised everyone forgot the whole drama about those faggots who were gatekeeping the leaked server files for years. I think they even have the original user database somewhere too

>>716079241 (OP)
investors want money

>>716086054
you're the only one on this board who tries to push that word and have been at it for months

>>716087128
There should be a version of this pasta but with game dungeon tropes, like talking about music or "Now it makes sense! More on THAT later".

>>716087185
I'm aware, but it took several years. And I'll never forget.

>>716087113
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate

>>716087113
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay-113-million-to-settle-batterygate-case-over-iphone-slowdowns

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517

>>716087050
>Goal post moving
Typical

>>716087218
investor should get comfortable with the idea of not owning their heads.

>>716079774
It's more that they don't want people controlling them without a fee. They're investing a lot of money into halting the initiative.

>>716087357
>>716087373
>describe deliberate processor slowdowns on Apple's iPhones, in order to prevent handsets with degraded batteries shutting down when under high load.
>However, this may stem from the common misconception that all older iPhones were slowed down. Some have argued that introducing a feature to prevent handsets with degraded batteries from rebooting is in fact the opposite of planned obsolescence since a slower non-rebooting phone would be preferable to the alternative.
>"It doesn't advance our position here, they haven't admitted anything - they've settled," he said.
Do you know what bricking means?
Bricked means unusable, not supplying less voltage to the CPU to slow the phone down to stop it shutting off because idiot consumers think batteries last forever.

>>716087408
based

>>716079241 (OP)
because the industry wants to run a pain train on the consumers and rob them but regulations prevent them from doing that and they hate it.

The idea of a lobbyist having to go through every Game Dungeon and every Freeman's Mind in the hopes of finding some smoking gun against Ross is hilarious to me.
I hope the lobbyist enjoys the Test Drive 3 quote.
>There's no good reason, only legal ones.

>>716087623
Fucking parasite.

>>716087394
You could shout your opinions into the street, but no one would listen. Because you're a nobody.
On YouTube, having less than 1m subs makes you a nobody. 1m is the bare minimum threshold. You need at least 5m to be considered in the pantheon.

>>716087242
FUND IT

>>716087242
nice

>>716087758
>intentionally uses incorrect term to mislead others
>gets corrected
>FUCKING PARASITE
turn your monitor on, you're looking at your reflection

>>716087726
What about the pigeon hunter video? They can accuse him of public indecency.

>>716087726
I'm just imagining some poor ubisoft shill having his brain melted by Armed and Delirious or Bip Bop II

>>716079241 (OP)
Because unplayable dead game = people have to buy the sequel

>>716087242
>Mix of Crazy Taxi and THPS
>Metal soundtrack handpicked by Ross
Bring Neversoft back and I'll buy it day one.

>>716087726
you could probably mount a decent shitpost campaign by focusing on his bad take on shmups and dislike of anime.

>>716084452
Nah this is the work of someone big.

>>716087761
I guess Capcom hasn't heard seeing how often they gave Sphere Hunter exclusive shit. I guess they think their channel's reach is plenty for advertsing. Anyway, you didn't ask 'what lefty youtuber with more than 1m subs has endorsed it.' I don't watch big youtubers since their content is shit, so I couldn't tell you which big youtuber by your new metric has endorsed it. Still not a partisan issue.

>>716087864
Or the Puzzle Agent video for embarrassing an old lady with his t-shirt. Or that he legally owns people's souls from the Go To Hell video.

>>716087951
you get 3 awards at the end of every stage based on your gameplay

>>716079976
Like that stops corporations seeking to end piracy.
YouTube finally acheived positive net income a few years ago, and only then did they start on their Anti-Adblock campaign.

>>716088009
>Or that he legally owns people's souls from the Go To Hell video
He's gonna get raided by the cops for that

>>716088040
Someone into modding THPS needs to get into this.

>>716088201
>Gaming companies nickle and dime and steal your property
>Ross straight up owns souls
Ross beats them even at their own game.

>>716087726
I'd love to hear them try to spin how he doesn't like female enemies in video games because he dislikes the idea of fighting/killing women.

>>716086916
he never misses! king dsp!

>>716079241 (OP)
It's a lot easier to kill the previous game and force people to buy the new one, rather than just making a better game that people will want to move onto

>>716087943
>Bip Bop II
I will say it is based that the developer kept the original floppies for I and III, sending them to Ross (with only the provision of some of Ross's blood and some info about him) and Ross's dad being able to read the floppies, copy them to the computer to officially distribute what would've been lost media.
That episode was awesome.

>>716081789
>AI analyses the players
>AI discovers best way to attack them is to induce seizure in the guy with photosensitivity
>Then SWAT the Streamer
>Then generate Illegal Drawings and download them on the remaining Raid's PCs and send in tips to the police

>>716079241 (OP)
Old product has to end so they can sell you new product with half the features and extra monetization

>DEAD MUSLIMS XDDDD
>XD
>XD
>XD
>XD
>XD
What did Ross mean by this?

>>716088591
>the AI just fucking crashes the game

>>716083091
Star Wars Galaxies, though it has a fairly decent emulation scene these days.

>>716079672
Hi Jason

>>716079241 (OP)
Same reason they dont want you to buy a framework laptop. So they can end of life your product and pressure you to buy a whole new thing.

I for one welcome this new era of rickshaw posting.

>>716087943
>Mr. Lobbyist, how are the videos going?
>I spin and I spin and this is what it gets me
>What?

>>716079241 (OP)
When you've spent decades walking the populace away from their own freedoms, a single step backwards from those ends is an offense they will fight against to extraordinary lengths

>>716085134
>>716087242
>>716087790
>Hey, welcome to the game dungeon.
>Today, I'm playing a game that exists because of me.
>I don't know how I feel about that, but hey, at least the boxart's nice!

>>716088591
>>716088764
It would probably end up with some retarded meta bullshit like that, the AI "understands" that one of his attacks makes it so that no one can hit him and just spams that attack, meanwhile on the player side that attack literally lags the shit out of the game to the point where you can't even move.

>>716088756
Indians.

>>716088757
You can't own a service

>>716089495
Games shouldn't be services

>>716089563
I disagree.

>>716089638
B B B B B B BASED
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SKGommunists won't like htis but its still true!

>>716088878
Ross's idea of jail sentences that don't expire until you beat a certain game without walkthroughs is hilarious.

>>716089495
Sorry champ. The terms of service for European commerce can be changed at any time for any reason. Don't like it? Don't click accept

>>716089990
Fine by me

We are altering the terms of sale. Pray we do not alter them further.

>>716086638
>it crosses all political spheres
It can't seem to penetrate the corporate layer. Corporations like Ubisoft are firmly against SKG. It is literally a matter of videogame publishers and a few of their bootlickers vs. everyone else.

>>716090363
imagine you could trade your digital games (licences), without restriction like you do with phisical media...

>>716086612
>no one would put these many hours for something they care about and have been speaking for for years
The argument and suspicion remains idiotic as hell.

>>716079342
Deregulate it all, but that also means copyright.

>>716090524
Techically you can in the EU but you must trade your whole Steam/GOG account. Not worth it IMO especially since i want to own my videogames. Not only that but i will keep my accounts and give them to my children since i have a great selection of games with no slop in it. No way i am raising them on Fortnite slop or other slotmachine garbage.

>>716090470
I'm willing to bet a large number of devs are in support of this, even within the likes of Ubisoft and EA and whatnot, it's literally just the guys upstairs who are paid to fight it tooth and nail.

>>716079774
It's not just one cent, it's one cent per unit. Across billions of units, that's millions of dollars just being thrown away for no necessary reason.

>>716090694
N-no, not like that.

>>716079241 (OP)
>why are modern game companies satanic pieces of shit?
hmmm

>>716090694
Nah see, that's not what videogame corporations want. They want maximum protections for themselves and the right to fuck the consumer(the gamer in this case) in the ass with no repercussions.

>>716084359
>muh rickshaw service
fucking lol, lmao even.

>>716088167
That's kinda hard to believe, I can't imagine more than maybe 5% of YouTube users used adblock in the first place

>>716089495
It's fine, I just will never pay.

>>716090694
Honestly, I would be willing to make this trade. Copyright is the biggest obstacle to human creativity in human history.

>>716089495
In software you easily can, you just need the server in your machine. I have a microservice in mine right now.

>>716085810
Someone looked at the time and effort Ross puts into his videos and went "yeah... there's no way someone could actually care about something this much for free, he must be being paid"
I can only imagine how sad and empty their life must be

>>716083091
Monkey quest and Firefall

>>716090786
>not poisoning people
>no necessary reason

>>716090841
More for me

>>716090786
Yeah, god forbid the CEO does not get his private jet. Giving cancer to children is acceptable when your private jet depends on it. Videogame publishers are also extremely vile since they are now asking game developers to make slot machine games that groom children into gambling addicts.

>>716079423
This. Square Enix regularly kills their own mobile games that have more profits and larger playerbases than about 50% of online games that are still active. Their reasoning is that people spend the most money when playing a fresh game, and less money once they are established, and thus shutting down and re-releasing games will spike their profits. If anyone wants to go on a fucking trip, read up on Square Enix mobile releases that shut down, since they release and close a game roughly every 3 months.

This doesn't just apply to shitty mobile/gacha games. Star Wars Galaxy was shut down, according to the developers, to funnel players into Bioware's Star Wars: The Old Republic. Many games shut down solely because the developers would rather you buy and play a newer game.

>>716079241 (OP)
When the fuck is this piece of shit just going to be forgotten about like Ucraine?
I'm genuinely getting tired of filtering these obnoxious spam threads. I don't fucking care about your initiative and protest. I don't play 'always online' single player games. I don't revolve my entire life around putting thousands of hours in a multiplayer gamer. If I play, I play for like a few hundred hours at best until I get bored and then just move on to something else.
I don't care to hear people discuss it, I don't want friends to keep bringing this retarded shit to me in every conversation. I don't want to hear anything about it anymore. I don't care about the "big picture", I don't care about "muh studios raping you" because I don't engage with or buy any modern AAA shit that every retard seems to be doing and then protesting when they get raped because they were too retarded to see it from time that it wasn't worth investing in said thing. I'm just so tired of seeing or hearing anything of this. It literally will not matter even if it passes or not just like it won't matter who wins or loses the damn war.

You are making way more of an issue about something that is inconsequential and frankly irrelevant in the grander scheme of everything and on top of that, you are literally wasting your life away by making this some kind of revolving scenario in your life that you just talk about every single day and engaging with for whatever fucking reason instead of just doing literally anything else at all.

>>716091317
ok ubisoft

>>716091317
Then filter the threads. Most of them use certain keywords.

>>716091289
FFXIV is still going 15 years later and is their biggest cash cow so your argument doesn’t hold water.

>>716091317
Get in the rickshaw, faggot

>>716091317
I have entered a thread about a topic I don't like and now I am upset. How could this be happening to me?

Why is there an irish language option on the Stop Killing Games site?

>>716079241 (OP)
Are people who care about this likely the ones who will pirate games anyways?
How many are actually paying $80 for new games or $50 and $60 for ports and remasters of twenty year old games?

>>716091702
Because it exists.

>>716091702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vCbROmg6oc

>>716091702
fuck off jew

>>716091785
But they speak english in Ireland.

>>716091867
[reeeeeeeeeeees in paddy]

>>716091710
Literally none of them.
The people rallying to sign this shit are no lifers who play thousands upon thousands of hours on a specific type of online game and want to make sure they can force the developer to keep the game forever up and running for their manchild ass to enjoy it until they keel over and die because they have genuine autism and can't just move on with life and do something else.

>>716085810
>>716086612
There may be laws in place that put a limit on how much time a person can legally volunteer. In theory such laws exist to prevent scams where someone is in de facto slavery under the guise of "volunteering." Don't underestimate just how far your opposition can go in trying to figure out a rules lawyer technicality that could help their case in some way.

>>716091867
and Irish

>>716079241 (OP)
Because the current grift economy meta is to create a problem (shut down the game) and sell you the solution (new game but of lesser quality due to optimized budget)

Shutting down the means for this meta to continue means the line does not go up anymore. And that is catastrophic if they can "just play the old games"

>>716092185
They don't speak irish in ireland

>>716092201
This is exactly why you should be pro killing games. If line doesn't go up, then everyone is worse off.

SKG has no idea what it wants. It's just a laundry list of demands with no singular defined goal. They don't even acknowledge the real problem which is that digital media can't be owned.

>>716092214
and they don't speak yiddish in germany anymore
funny how that works

>>716091317
so trv sis! tell those chuds!

>>716079241 (OP)
They have a very lucrative business where you waste your money on beeps and boops, on a game that is designed to be entertaining and in any case winnable. They expanded further by selling you parts of the game, it might be afterthought, perhaps it was taken and sold as a MXT even though it was part of the game at an earlier stage.
Point being, they want you to continue buying in perpetuity, they want you to ignore any problem, any glitch its all features now! Now pay up the new beep and boop game has come out and it has day 1 patches! Oh look! It also has day 1 dlcs! Wait a minute, is that.....no way, could it be! A Demake with cut content, modernized for current gen gaming! Only $59! Oh no wait its $80, wait....no im sorry its actually $120. After tarrifs and taxes, and whatever else.
You don't want to miss out do you! FOMO! What are you poor? Lmao!

>>716084359
>He said "Ive been running a rickshaw carrying people to the destination" my honor
>That's grounds for fraud, my honor
Man when you think you can't hate lawyers anymore, they do this shit.

>>716091317
unlike ukropine this matters

>>716092201
>grift
yeah the notoriously right wing ubisoft

>>716091541
>mobile
read

>>716090839
>I can't imagine more than maybe 5% of YouTube users used adblock in the first place
Think the official number is something like 6-7%. Still didn't stop them from going on this crusade. They just want even more money.

>>716092615
>grift means something is right wing

?????

>>716092314
>SKG has no idea what it wants
Yes it does. It's right there in the title and then spelled out in the first paragraph for the slow.
>It's just a laundry list of demands with no singular defined goal.
The demands are so clear and intuitive that every single person that reads about it immediately understands what needs to be done.
>digital media can't be owned.
Denies the whole existence of the field of cryptography on top of ignoring that we have been owning digital media for decades now.
Pathetic.

>>716092539
>the thing i care about totally matters bro!!
>but the thing i don't care about, doesn't matter.
you are genuinely retarded.

>>716092696
grifting is appealing to /pol/yps and swindling them

>>716089495
And that's why Stop Killing Games isn't going after "services". If a game has a subscription, they are full within their rights to shut down the game, as it was sold as a service and not a good, and you know exactly what you are going to get. If you want to play WoW for a month, you pay for that 30 days, that's it.

>>716084452
Nah it's probably Ubisoft

>>716092804
Even when you buy a non-subscription game, you are in fact buying a subscription, not a product. It just happens that you pay the entire subscription fee up front, and the subscription period is undefined. You consented to those terms as soon as you opened the box or installed the game.

>>716079984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQN_ZA5WRpo
>corporate suits are so used to their Blackrock DEI funding that they literally can't conceptualize someone promoting the initiative for free
AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

>>716092905
Kek, you guys are going to get curb-stomped if you go with these arguments to the EU.
It's going to be top entertainment.

>>716092905
>It just happens that you pay the entire subscription fee up front, and the subscription period is undefined
And that's not allowed, either you say when it expires or you aren't allowed to call it a service.

>>716087128
When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen cans of beans in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any floppy disk infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

Do you think that the industry got blindsided hence why these really poor attempts at fighting back? They got more time now to slander before the actual process begins, but these initial attempts are so funny.

>>716093176
>Do you think that the industry got blindsided hence why these really poor attempts at fighting back?
Yes - SKG was not going to hit the 1m signatures at the rate it had been for weeks. Once the piratesoftware drama kicked off and it was clear 1m was going to be smashed the industry started scrambling to try and get ahead of it as it is now clear they will have to defend their practices to the suits in brussels.

>>716093140
Services can have undefined time periods.

>>716093176
Even I got blindsides by it. It was hovering around 300k for so long

>>716079342
/thread
The industry knows just as well as anyone else that the dinosaur that inhabit our government have no clue how videogames work let alone care despite it being a multibillion dollar franchise. They wash their hands of it and companies take advantage of that. They'd be foolish not to take advantage of the lax restrictions on their practices and take in the cash.

>>716093176
The period they had more time was from a month ago to the time it started, but I guess they thought that it wouldn't move(and it didn't) after pirate kicked the initiative while it was in the cradle.
Neither Ross nor the corpos saw it making such a turn around after Ross decided to address roachsoftware in the final month so they had to rush to try anything to stop it.
The last message sent to the EU trying to make it seem invalid for dumb reasons specially reeks of a desperate 'hail mary' attempt to do anything to kill it

>>716092714
>and then spelled out in the first paragraph
Yeah I read that and that's how I came to the conclusion that the movement is hilariously unorganized, the reasoning is misinformation and outright lies, and the demands are ineffective at accomplishing the stated goal. I it's entirely based on the arbitrary goal of "preservation" which is a concept that can't apply online community based games.

>>716093569
>it's entirely based on the arbitrary goal of "preservation" which is a concept that can't apply online community based games.
Unreal Tournament?

>>716093176
Early on they were scared, which is why Ubisoft even made an offline version for Crew 2. But since SKG slowed to a crawl they figured the war was won. This spike was pretty random so they've been scrambling to fight against it using everything they can think of.
One of the positives of fighting a big corporation. They take a long time to actually decide on a course of action.

>>716093569
>I it's entirely based on the arbitrary goal of "preservation" which is a concept that can't apply online community based games.
?????

>>716093626
What about it

>>716093754
It is literally being preserved right now after Epic delisted it from all stores and is able to be archived on OldUnreal alongside community patches and server software.
How the fuck is that not preservation of an online community game?

>>716093420
Not in the EU

>>716085982
>They are saying it is "unreasonable" for someone to dedicate that much time for free and using those volunteer hours
They're right. It is unreasonable.
But what their flavor of Hollywood Accounting isn't actually ... accounting for -- is that at the height of this thing, the Stop Killing Games movement and the ECI being one of its spin-offs, was the hill he was metaphorically prepared to die on. To the point of that almost literally happening, with his volunteer efforts putting a huge dent in his regular livelihood.

... say; did anyone cue Louis Rossman about this thing yet?
He usually LOVES to tear into this faux-legal stuff like a firebrand.
Plus he was riding Scott's ass pretty hard the last time, warning him that even if the ECI got the votes needed - that would only be the started and "now they'd be coming for him" -- well QED, I'd say.

Rossman's take on this would probably be ... very VERY saucy, to say the least.

>>716079241 (OP)
Deleting a game to sell it to you again with a new title accounts for 20% of all revenue in gaming.

>>716093529
>>716093635
>>716093376
>>716093465
That really does feel like what happened.

>>716083979
ghetto setup, make a real fixture

>>716093851
SKG says UT can fail as long as the end date is given.

>>716085926
But maybe the situation is hopeless because their propaganda is so effective?

>>716094082
I hope he goes on one of his rants, Louis can get very spicy with regards to stuff like this.

>>716093569
The movement is actually very decently organized for a grass-roots movement with no funding. It resonated with people and crossed the threshold needed.
The only people pretending to not understand what's asked are the ones that don't want to.
Wailing and coping isn't going to stop this train now, it's happening.

>>716094087
Stuff like this is why you should actually be pro killing games. What is good for the economy is good for everyone.

>>716093946
EU is the type of autist where if a company shut down but promised a prize of "lifetime supply of X" in the 80s they'll enslave all the former members of X company to make them produce that good for the prize winners for another 100 years.

Reminder: Stop Destroying Videogames is used as an example on how to write an ECI on the EU's own website.

>>716094082
>They're right. It is unreasonable.
It was unreasonable when i played Cyberpunk 2077 for 14 hours straight glued to the monitor. Unreasonable is my middle name. Gamers are not reasonable people. We grind.

>>716094290
I'm pro killing games out of virtue of everyone putting this shit forward being an obnoxious faggot who just spams it around non stop and me getting tired of having to see it every waking moment of my day when I know give no fuck about it since it doesn't affect me because I don't interact with modern day games and I'm able to discern whether something is actually going to be worth it based on trailer and presentation alone, unlike the majority signing this shit.

>>716094305
Even in the EU, the company shutting down would void the contract, which usually isn't even "lifetime" but actually "30 years unless winner dies before then" in the fine print.

This is also why the big companies fear of the initiative is overblown, honestly. They can and will just slip in an "at least X years" clauses in the License Agreement and that will be enough to cover their ass.

>>716094532
If you don't care then what's the problem?

>>716094636
>At least X years
>Game flops like concord forcing them to refund or keep the servers up for those X years
It'll be hilariously funny.

>>716094305
Yes, I think that was even one of the responses from france, where they said that if the company sold it as a service but didn't list the end date of the service, they would have to support it forever.
The decision is pending on their agency still, and the SKG website says that this opens people to sue Ubisoft in France.

>>716094532
It DOES affect you, idiot. The economy includes everyone. If SKG succeeds in screwing with the economy, you will personally suffer monetarily. You should be pro killing games for your own monetary benefit, not so that you can feel smug about being "smarter than the modern gamer" when you're still too stupid to realize that yes, you do have a monetary stake in things no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise to act all high and mighty.

>>716094195
The only time it was "hopeless" over their propaganda was when pirate still had a shred of respect from people online and ranted about it several times while refusing to talk with Ross.
And that is gone now that almost an year after Ross finally hit back against the roach.

I support everything that hurts game companies.

>>716090470
>It can't seem to penetrate the corporate layer.
Epic has publicly stated they're distancing themselves from the open letter sent out by the Video Games Europe industry lobby group, and furthermore stated they weren't consulted on it.

From that, one can conclude that at least some parts of the industry are in favor. Or at least know there's no stopping it now - and they can at least win brownie points with the audience, by being on the 'right side of history.'

>>716094738
X = 1/365
There, now they can safely shut down with no repercussions the day after launch if they need to. And they won't even have to pay out refunds like Concord did.

>>716086304
I literally learned about SKG through a tranny

>>716094670
The fact I'm forced to see it on an almost daily basis on every single fucking website I open up despite having filters set up and constantly just telling them to not recommend me that shit anymore, is the problem. I would have this shit invalided immediately if I could out of nothing but pure spite of the people signing and clamoring together for this shit forcing me to have to see it every time I try to do anything online.

>>716094636
That would be acting in bad faith and trying to avoid the spirit of the law. The EU does not appreciate this. This is not the USA where you can get away by pulling technicalities out of your ass.

guidelines.euipo.europa.eu/1922895/1924507/-/3-3-2-concept-of-bad-faith

>>716079241 (OP)
they see past games as competition for future games
and the industry wants games as a service to reign supreme, despite how much it is failing
they want us to own nothing
they want to disney vault anything they can

So now that we have more confirmation that not every member of the lobby was in full support of the statement made, which ones do you think are the ones responsible?
Ubisoft is definitely one of them. I would've said EA but for some reason they've been doing some good shit recently like open sourcing old C&C games so I dunno.

>>716094845
They are part of it and are thus guilty. Besides, everyone should know by now that epic is a jew maoist chinkoid menace.

>>716094954
>these people protesting against murder are a little annoying, so I support murder now just out of spite
Thank God impotent faggots like you have no power or influence

>>716094954
For someone that doesn't care you sound like you really care a lot and it's personally affecting you.

>>716094971
>they want us to own nothing
No shit. They are even saying the quiet part out loud now.

>>716079241 (OP)
remakes and rereleases

>>716094636
>This is also why the big companies fear of the initiative is overblown, honestly. They can and will just slip in an "at least X years" clauses in the License Agreement and that will be enough to cover their ass.
Not necessarily, because the initiative could end up with a law that makes them unable to sell it as a service at all, besides that the EU does have provisions against actors acting in bad faith, which means the companies would get smacked.

>>716095101
>murder analogy
you're fucking retarded holy shit.
get a life you handicapped faggot.
the fact you can't forever live your fantasy life in your online multiplayer game until your death isn't that bad. move on with your life and do something else of value to yourself and others.

>>716095101
Congratulations, you are now a woke communist SJW.

>>716094994
*looks at the switch 2 debacle*
Nintendo

>>716094954
>I don't care
>but also I'm unable to ignore it
>and I'm annoyed by it
So in other words you do care. If you didn't you'd just ignore it

>>716094258
Per SKG
>An increasing number of video games are sold effectively as goods - with no stated expiration date - but designed to be completely unplayable as soon as support from the publisher ends.
Nobody is being deceived. Also delisting also happens when support from the consumers end. He missed that part and this is how and why The Crew got delisted.
>This practice is a form of planned obsolescence and is not only detrimental to customers, but makes preservation effectively impossible. Furthermore, the legality of this practice is largely untested in many countries.
No this practice is called a service and is a type of game that people want. it's just that sometimes a service is no longer valued and customers went elsewhere so the game dies.

The entire thing is too amateurish for me so I don't support it.

>>716095240
>You will own nothing and you will be happy

>>716095240
You can leave the thread anytime.

>>716091796
Why don't they have Irish accents?

>>716094994
I bet Sony has some part in this due to their recent model being live service games spearheaded by bungie (lol).
Someone mentioned nintendo, probably them too.
Microsoft may be a big player (So that covers all of the consoles).
Square Enix might be a "maybe".

>>716094970
link to the latest edition, not obsolete versions:
https://guidelines.euipo.europa.eu/2302857/2047218/trade-mark-guidelines/3-3-2-concept-of-bad-faith

>>716094305
Don't make promises you can't keep. Or don't do the crime if you can't do the time, as the saying goes.
Nowadays "a lifetime" would still be required to list exactly how many units that entails, because "a lifetime" is too vague.

>>716094970
>>716095521
also this bad faith argument only applies to trademark law
you won't convince anyone by misleading them.

>>716079241 (OP)
It's not
ross is not in IT
the analysis he gets from others is best case scenario and assumes a whole lot
and none of you on plebbit know what you're talking about
I look forward to the seething both in the replies to this post and when this initiative inevitably just means games you want to play only get released in the east or in the US

>>716092905
The form of the contract, whether purchase of good or supply of service, is determined by law. Laws in the EU say there's no such thing as an indefinite service contract. And that's that. Service contracts are for a defined period and can be renewed, optionally automatically, at period end - which will necessitate the consumer to pay for another period. If the supplier backs out of the contract prematurely, they have to offer a partial refund to the consumer commensurate to the time that was still remaining on their contract. Them's the rules.

>>716095337
>Nobody is being deceived.
If the consumer expects it to last forever (which the average customer does because that is the case for most games) and the description is not explicitly enough, then it's considered deceiving.
That's even on the US, where there are almost no consumer rights, in California they still ended up needing to state more when something is a license.
>No this practice is called a service
Not by law in the EU. You need to state an explicit end date or support it forever.

>>716095369
>OFFICER, THEY MADE ME BUY THE LIVE SERVICE GAME
lol you could have just not bought it you subhuman queer

>>716095369
You're all misunderstanding what "you'll own nothing and be happy" really means. It's *because* you own nothing that you will be happy. "Owning" means responsibility. "Owning" means paying for maintenance. When you rent instead of own, you don't have to worry about maintenance or responsibility, you can just consume mindlessly while corporate worries about maintenance on your behalf. That's why you will be happy when you own nothing.

It's all for your own good.

>>716095240
>Do something with your life and don't waste your time
>Says man on korean basketweaving forum wasting his life telling people he doesn't care about things
Physician, heal thyself.

>>716095701
I've never bought a live service game in my life and I never will. But I support SKG anyways

>>716095681
>You need to state an explicit end date or support it forever.
Completely incorrect.
Long-term (commercial) contracts concluded for an indefinite period can be terminated on reasonable notice even without cause and irrespective of whether the contract provides for the latter. A corresponding right of termination is, inter alia, expressly recognized by Art. 6:109 of the Principles of European Contract Law (PECL) and Art. 5.1.8 of the Unidroit Principles of International Commercial Contracts (PICC), in both cases apparently based on the view that a ‘perpetual contract’ is contrary to the personal freedom and autonomy of the contracting parties.

May there be a day that digital data, a medium that has near infinite scalability and next to no degradation thanks to backups and copies, is treated better than physical data rather than worse.

>>716095451
coz theyre speaking in celtic, not in american

>>716095892
Reasonable notice in the EU is 2 years.

>>716088012
kek

>>716095337
Everything in the text of the initiative is correct and resonates with people. The initiative is presented in the ECI site as an example of a good application. Several eu parliament members and politicians are already in support.
The initiative's asks are already in line with present EU laws about digital products. I told you already, your silly bargaining is going to get you curb-stomped when you go in front of the EU Commission.
>The entire thing is too amateurish for me so I don't support it.
We don't need you retard, the signatures are gathered already, we won.

>>716095892
This completely kills SKG.

>>716094873
In that case they would, because there's a minimum 14 days no questions asked return window. And they'd still get slapped for bad faith by trying to ruleslawyer a year into less than 365 days.

>>716095905
>may things i can't physically own be treated and rationed like things i have direct physical control over
>no, i will not thin how that further effects things down the line, i just want what i want, and i demand it's given to me now
literal manchildren

>>716094636
>Even in the EU, the company shutting down would void the contract
If they do that, they would have to refund everyone. Terms of contract which allow them to hang on to sums paid for service not rendered when they themselves opt to terminate the contract are deemed unfair and unenforceable in the EU.

>>716086558
>pewdiepie is not a nazi anymore

>>716096000
Not really, this is an argument against consumer agencies taking action. The ECI is for changing the law, so current law doesn't matter.

>>716095606
I am pretty sure that there is a version that applies to other regulations since they slapped Apple for fad faith actions too. Also Videogame publishing IS connected to trademark/IP law so i guess it applies perfectly. When Ubisoft published their Star Wars game it had that (TM) in the corner, i wonder what (TM) stands for oh wait i remembered now it stands for TRADE MARK, asshole.

>>716096104
*facepalm*

>>716096093
Never was

>>716096045
Why should digital be more restrictive than physical?

>>716095971
No it isn't, and you won't be able to provide a single statute that says so.
Go on, run off to ChatGPT and try to make it work.

RICKSHAW ROSS

>>716096152
That is literally the case, the ECI might result in new laws in the more extreme case.

>>716092314
I'll accept that digital media can't be owned if you accept that intellect can't be property

>>716094636
>They can and will just slip in an "at least X years" clauses in the License Agreement and that will be enough to cover their ass.
It won't be, because duration of contract is deemed essential precontractual information governing the form of the contract in the EU. And the EU requires such information to be communicated in ways that fulfill common transparency requirements to consumers wrt clear and plain language, ease to find, etc. Basically, the EU Commission has put out in a guidance document on the consumer rights directive that burying this type of thing inside the legalese of additional terms of service, EULAs, etc. is not sufficient and has no legal power.

>>716079241 (OP)
pursuant to recent laws, the EU has categorized your park as a cultural heritage site.
before any ceasing of business, the owner must implement an end-of-life plan to render the park usable by its visitors in some capacity in perpetuity, such as by releasing all documentation regarding the operation and maintenance of your rides to the general public.

>>716084359
>>716084425
>>716094082
>>716090874
This is the most soulless thing I've ever seen in my life. This is the personification of all those Unreal slop/art asset flips manifesting into a lawyer, and being unable to comprehend that someone, for ten plus years, really likes games. Not loves to make money with games, not love to play games in front of a crowd of 5 year olds. No, they cannot understand that someone loves games, full stops.
What does Ross even get from doing this? Even if everything goes well with SKG he's still some broke American in Poland. Yet these creatures cannot get that there's things worth fighting for that isn't money.

>>716096243
>the movie already exists

>>716079241 (OP)
>If ending child labour is as trivial as they claim, then why is the industry so desperate to prevent it?

>>716095681
>If the consumer expects it to last forever
Probably stop doing this with online games since thay can't last forever
>>716095984
>Everything in the text of the initiative is correct and resonates with people.
Doesn't look like it since I easily picked apart their mission statement. Why are you gaslighting me?

>>716096247
The only ECI in history that was "successful" was Right2Water 2013, and even that only modified the Drinking Water Directive (2020), which didn't even give the right to drinking water, just to improve "access and transparency".
That's the best you can hope for. Slight modifications to existing law, not entirely new ones, and you won't get everything you want either.

>>716096316
No deal

>>716096339
You make this joke, but this is literally how heritage sites work.

>>716079241 (OP)
It’s because companies hate consumer rights, as is the natural order of le free market/capitalism.
With SKG, game companies can’t effectively scam their customers by bricking their game before their new game comes out. It’d be like if a car company bricked your car before their new model came out and forced you to buy that new model.
Companies also hate the idea of their customer base having any sort of standards. They want their customers to boil in the pot slowly, getting used to things getting worse.

>>716096339
>Ignores the tens or even hundred of thousands of games and software that exist without a kill switch
>goes for a theme park analogy instead.
They are not sending their best.

>>716079241 (OP)
>why, as he claims, is the industry so desperate to prevent it?
Planned obsolescence.
When Ubisoft releases Assassin's Creed 20, they don't want you to play Assassin's Creed 1 through 19 instead. So they'd rather delete those games instead. And anything else that could compete.

>>716096189
they shouldn't. it's a volatile environment that will yield nothing but downsides regardless of how hard you try to control it towards something you deemed more "positive". people should either strive or be incentivized to make it more available and work better for customers, but not actually forced into it since that does nothing but breed contempt. customers should be free to, and smart enough, to simply just not support the ones that are shitting on them so that the consequence is they risk going bankrupt, but that is not the case since the majority if obviously retarded and can't help themselves but just consume the dogshit their fed then trying to cry to the government to regulate things for them instead of getting it done themselves.

we wouldn't be in this situation if companies didn't do their microtransaction shit and whatnot, and we wouldn't be in this situation if the retards in the gaming space didn't actually buy them to begin with and just happily received the dogshit they kept getting drip fed until it blew up to whatever it is they have to bitch and moan over now. consequences of your own actions and all that.

>>716096189
Well uhhh because…WELL THEY JUST SHOULD!!!

>>716094994
>which ones do you think are the ones responsible?
Ubisoft, EA, Embracer, Square Enix, and Sony - I'd wager.

Ubisoft, EA, and Sony because they put out a lot of GaaS games with always-online connections that they want to be able to kill and replace.
Embracer because they're basically hedgefund owned now and investors are going to want to squeeze every buck out.
Square Enix mainly because of how they operate in the gacha space, where a lot of what they put out is on a 3-month death-timer because they figured out their audience's MTX buy-rate is highest when a game is still fresh - and they're min-maxing on that.

>>716094994
>Netflix
Netflix makes video games?

>>716096540
EU needs to be abolished with the Euro and all the Eurabian shitter states need to put huge walls like the berlin walls around eachother and be banned for co-operating with one another ever again.

>>716096572
>It’d be like if a car company bricked your car before their new model came out and forced you to buy that new model.
This would be good for the economy. Now that games have shown that customers are willing to accept this business model, it should be extended beyond games to other industries, such as the auto industry.

>>716096572
But Anon, if the car companies could brick their old cars and force you to buy their newest model it would keep everyone riding new cars in top condition which would make it safer for everyone. It would also bring down the cost of cars due to economy of scale

>>716096540
pure communism

>>716090907
>machine whose entire purpose is maximizing profits
>anything that doesn't increase profits
>not unnecessary
Anon, regulations exist so these paperclip engines don't turn the entire universe into paperclips.

>>716096458
>Probably stop doing this with online games since thay can't last forever
They can, it's software and can be run in perpetuity if not purposefully destroyed.
>Doesn't look like it since I easily picked apart their mission statement.
You didn't picked apart shit. You are just embarrassing yourself. I hope you getting paid at least.

>>716096830
How is it communism if you've stopped trading and not sold to someone else?
Did you plan on just leaving unmaintained and potentially dangerous structures unattended?

>>716084452
That guy is too retarded to file an official complaint to the EU, this is definitely done by a (((professional)))

>>716079241 (OP)
because it'll cut off profits

>>716081424
>He believed the Larian cope

>>716096349
This convinces me a lot of the posts against SKG are paid shills or AI. They have to be bleeding money trying to stop the rising tide while Ross and the others are just doing their thing. They assume there's a payoff because they have to pay off their own 'supporters'.

>>716094532
>it doesn't affect me because I don't interact with modern day games
Do yourself a favor and stop interacting with SKG threads. Don't like it, don't sign it. Problem solved

>>716096225
>>716095971
exactly as I thought, the SKGlob doesn't actually know anything about EU law at all.

>>716096910
you don't own the park that was mine which i decided to shut down you worthless faggot. you don't get to just "have" it now and begin profiting off my property. i too would just self destruct everything the moment i had to shut it down just so gypsy cunts like you wouldn't have to take over it and do as they please with it.

kek

>>716079672
>People won't buy online games becuase they know when they do bad and the servers have to closs they'll have an offline mode = It will be pirateable
concordbros... suicidessquadbros... this is the real reason for the sales numbers... SKG... SKG did it.

>>716096943
It will not. It might actually generate them profits in the future since it will keep the IP alive and with no need for investment from the videogame publisher.
>make the game have private servers and offline singleplayer
>community keeps it alive and you have an instal base of gamers ready to buy your next game in the same universe
The only thing that can fuck this perfect scenario is if you really fuck up with the sequel game.

>>716096910
>unmaintained and potentially dangerous structures unattended
pure nannystate commiebabble EUssr cattle can't comprehend the state not controlling everything, ghost towns and rotting malls not being handed over to the state to be converted into mosques gives you panic attacks.

>>716079241 (OP)
greed

Why do so many of you talk about increasing profits like it's a bad thing? When profits increase, the economy improves. When the economy improves, everybody gets richer. You are working against your own monetary benefit by supporting SKG.

All you had to do was let me load up a LAN party or spin up a local server of games I paid for. That's all you had to do.

>>716097020
>you don't own the park that was mine which i decided to shut down you worthless faggot.
What are you doing with it? If you're shutting down, you don't need the park anymore.
>you don't get to just "have" it now and begin profiting off my property.
>state owned
>profit
lol
> i too would just self destruct everything the moment i had to shut it down
then go ahead and dismantle your entire park in line with regulations.

What's funny is this happens in America but you're so blinded by your misplaced hate for the EU. Lmao.

>>716096943
private servers keep the game alive especially if they plan on remastering it. it happened with everquest.

>>716097084
>The only thing that can fuck this perfect scenario is if you really fuck up with the sequel game.
There's a lot of that going around.

>>716095892
Both PECL and PICC are not actual law. They are kitbashes and mashup of the laws of many countries and little more than a thought experiment put together by academics to try and unify conflicting laws into something with a little more harmony. They usually feed into a Lex Mercatoria for international contracts, where both parties agree to have the contract judged under the Lex Mercatoria.

However, where contracts with consumers are involved the Rome treaty holds that the applicable jurisdiction is the law of the member state where the consumer is domiciled. And thus THOSE laws apply, and not any form of Lex Mercatoria.

>>716094954
Yet you have no problem seeing the marketing for these shitty online games that don't affect you. You even admitted to seeking out said marketing, it's how you said you know if a game's going to be worth it after all

>>716097175
>in line with regulations
fuck off with your "regulations" you communist subhuman

>falseflaggers have been using bogus arguments and strawmen against SKG to get (you)'s
>turns out the industry is using the exact same arguments
????

>>716096954
I don't have to believe anything. Larian may not announce their sales figures but they pay taxes. A few anons did the math and the taxes they paid implies they sold over 14 million copies of BG3 by the end of 2023. That's 14 million in 5 months. And that is taking into account the 90 million dollars they paid WotC(obviously a % of the profits) for the right to use Baldur's Gate.

>retards bandwagon their way into forcing publishers to charge a sub fee for every online game to avoid costly EoL planning for "product" games that isn't required for subscription services
Good job you fucking idiots

>>716097151
You are fucking retarded if you think that GDP increasing at the cost of everything else is good.
The post 1970s neoliberal delusion is pure cancer and it has done almost irreparable damage to the west.

>>716096875
>You didn't picked apart shit
Again with the gaslighting

Aren't there laws against planned obsolescence?

>>716097202
>applicable jurisdiction is the law of the member state where the consumer is domiciled
I'm glad you bring this up.
https://www.trans-lex.org/601101/_/french-civil-code-2016/

>>716097225
>seeing the trailer and gameplay on the steam store page for a new game you see on it is "seeking out marketing"
retards like these are the types who signed this petition btw. it's all made up of 2 digit IQ people.

>>716096638
>people should either strive or be incentivized to make it more available and work better for customers
Laws and big fat fines if you violate them are the only incentive corporations understand.

>>716097184
But it shouldn't be happening. Ubisoft used to publish hit after hit. I don't know what happened to the company. Something changed.

>>716097309
Its almost like someone at the top is paying people to spread lies.
But do you really think someone would do that

>>716097330
Well damn, if some Anons on here said it then it must be true

Just watch, shills are going to bombard the threads with the kinds of vitriol people outside already expect to see 4chan.org, they do this while pretending to support Stop Killing Games, then they screencap it themselves and use it as "evidence" (legal or otherwise) to discredit Stop Killing Games by claiming it's a hate mob or a racist cabal or whatever.

We've seen this shit happen so many times.

>>716097309
Stop this anti-semitism

>>716097338
Hello Jason

>>716097309
Turns out they weren’t false flaggers and were just paid shills the entire time.

>>716097478
You can google it. A few game magazines reported on it. We only did the math.

>>716079241 (OP)
>make game single player
>end of life is now guaranteed
it's THAT easy

for games that require multiplayer
>make game host server locally when no server exists
>end of life is now guaranteed
THAT FUCKING EASY

They just gotta develop games while not being greedy fucking goblins

>>716097585
>They just gotta develop games while not being greedy fucking goblins
Literally impossible for those people.

>>716097481
Anon how many times have you found yourself among a mob of deplorable cunts that you had to create this conspiracy coping mechanism

There's no secret organization trying to make it look like you agree with obviously terrible people - you just genuinely agree with them.

>>716097338
Yep, This basically.
>>716097350
>Being richer than all of my ancestors is le bad because I see foreigners and hear foreign languages :(

eu bad

>>716097008
For the EU, if the terms are deemed unequal to the consumer, then they don't have the right to terminate the license without due compensation.

>>716097481
or you could just take your daily meds

>>716097691
>case-by-case assessment
so no unilateral law?
lol cope

>>716097338
It will do nothing but make microtransactions even worse by charging extra or having them come up with different ways around it by going like:
>"Hey guys! Don't forget to support us if you like this game and want to see it continue being support and having new content coming out for it!"
>"Yes, by paying us btw. You can do it with subscription or just purchasing stuff off our store, guys! You help us a lot by doing this and you help the game stay alive!"
Retards signing this genuinely cannot think ahead of themselves of what this would mean in the grander scheme of everything. They just think if it passes, it's suddenly somehow going to just magically make things better, but it won't. And when it doesn't, they'll bitch and moan even harder about it.

>he uploaded another video about how shills are scrambling to make him look bad
If there was ever a sign that the overlords are scared, this is it

>>716097691
>without due compensation.
Here's your €5 refund bro

>>716079241 (OP)
Because people playing old game isn't profitable to the industry.

>>716096638
They can hold all the contempt they want. What difference does that make?

>>716096463
Sure, and that doesn't change that it is what it can do, just the hierarchy of what can be reached.

>>716079241 (OP)
If there was an easy way to prevent car crash injuries that did away with seatbelts and passed savings onto the customer, why would seatbelt companies try preventing this superior scenario?

>>716097585
>>make game single player
>>end of life is now guaranteed
>it's THAT easy
I'll do you one better, if you don't like a thing, don't buy that thing and complain that it's "anticonsumer". It's THAT easy.

>>716097824
*sues that isn't enough*

>>716097843
sssssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh *facepalm*

>>716082319
>Reddit frog
>shit take
yup

>>716097824
bad faith, now you have to pay back a proper amount and also get fined by the EU

>>716097941
You should be ashamed for responding to bait that blatant

>>716097891
If you don't like a petition, don't vote on it.
The kids are calling it "vote with your vote"

>>716097913
You can seethe all you want about what you think is realistically achievable, that still doesn't change the fact that the law is changeable if enough people in parliament think it should change.

>>716096830
Anyone who doesn't like it is welcome to fuck off to America. The terms are clear and were agreed to

>>716097891
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
YOU DON'T GET IT!
I NEED TO WASTE MY MONEY ON SHIT I KNOW WILL BE BAD JUST SO I CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF STREAMING IT ONLINE AND TALKING ABOUT HOW SHIT IT IS AND HOW YOU SHOULDN'T BUY IT!

ALSO I NEED TO SIGN A PETITION SO THAT DADDY GOVERNMENT CAN HELP SAVE ME FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS OF JUST NOT SUPPORTING THE STUDIOS THAT CREATE SHIT, OKAY???

YOU DON'T GET IT! I JUST HAVE TO!

>>716097757
Which means lawsuits.

>>716097891
$0.05 has been deposited into your account

>>716098107
if you don't want to be regulated, approach trading in a fair and honest manner...but I know it's impossible for long noses.

>>716097661
>Average person poorer than parents in all metrics
>Average age of marriage is 30+
>All nations bellow replacement level births
>Antidepressant usage at all time highs
I am richer and better than my ancestors because fake line goes up. DERP

>>716097020
Even America won't let you own abandoned real estate indefinitely

>>716097891
They never have an answer for this.

>>716091541
mobile users are a completely different breed. They are barely conscious and just keep feeding their dopamine addiction from those flashy color.
Darksydephil is one of them.

>>716079241 (OP)
>be multimillion dollar company
>launch game with recurring updates
>when game stops making as much money as we like, kill it off and offer no refunds to the whales who emptied their wallets
>after a few months, launch new game with updates so whales will rebuy all the crap they had rented
>rinse and repeat until your pockets are lined
understand now?
>>716085008
>Yet all the big copos want it to be regulated, so is harder for new companies come and take any slice of the cake
you misunderstand moron.
SKG would be 100% superfluous if corpos didn't kill games. i.e. if they worked like unreal tournament, half life, diablo II, age of empires II, warcraft III, etc.
you fail to understand that some regulations do exist to add red tape to make it impossible to compete, while others actually help make the market fair. it's obvious you're not arguing in good faith

>>716097908
>>716097954
>proper amount
you had access to the service for 5+ years.
That is a reasonable amount.
Consumers only got up to €60 for Batterygate, and this was on €500+ phones. So for a €50 game, how much do you think you're going to get?
LMAO

>>716094532
you do realize this is something you can only stand to benefit from, right?
if nothing changes then nothing changes, everything stays the way it is now
if things do change, more games become playable

>>716098240
i thought video games were 'entertainment' , not trading. do you just change their definition whenever and however you want as long as it suits you?

>>716079672
Wow, I only have to wait 7 years for this fotm slop game to shut down so I can pirate it and play with all 3 people who still care about this game 6 years after everyone completely forgot about it!

>>716098234
I get paid for winning arguments now? Nice

>>716079241 (OP)
Only a nodev or a liar think its "trivial". Those people survive from donation they believe money is free

>>716098315
I don't like the practice, so I will force publishers to not do it for all games in case there is one I want to play that would otherwise be part of that practice.

>>716098385
video games are products traded. your semantic semitic games won't avail you, flame of Moloch

>>716098291
>that doesn't matter, eu is commie and bad

>>716097891
TRUTH NUKE

>>716097278
Good idea. Let's deregulate intellectual property

>>716097891
you can still avoid financially supporting something you don't like while acknowledging that the thing engages in anti-consumer practices

>>716098369
>So for a €50 game, how much do you think you're going to get?
Don't care, enjoy having the expenses of having to deal with class action lawsuits every time a game shuts down.

>>716098398
It is fucking trivial if you used proper project design to accommodate for the design goals from the very beginning.

>>716098460
>replying to yourself

>>716098479
we absolutely should, yes.
too many IPs out there just sitting and rotting away since they're not willing to give anyone the "rights" to do anything with them. just take it away from them.

>>716098315
The answer is simple, in B2C contracts, has a disproportionate amount of power compared to C, so therefore C needs to be protected against any unscrupulous practices of B.
That simple.

>>716098240
Looks like The Crew was delisted after having nobody play it and you still pushed for regulation so I don't believe your bad faith argument.

>>716083091
Blacklight Retribution

>>716098531
>enjoy having the expenses of having to deal with class action lawsuits every time a game shuts down.
most lawsuits get thrown out before they even reach the courtroom lil bro.
this isn't the US, you can't just go away suing anyone for anything you like. there are strict rules.

>>716098609
that is irrelevant. you're complaining exploitation of a gray area doesn't count because there's supposedly no one harmed.
>bad faith
lol

>>716098685
Then we'll just take the chances, call it surprise mechanics.

>>716098372
>if things do change, more games become playable
And that benefits me... How?
I don't revolve my whole life around playing video games and nothing else, and I sure as hell don't jump on the FOMO train regarding anything coming out right away. I can make do just fine with playing older shit or indie shovelware.

>>716098426
Hopefully lawmakers become aware that this is SKGs entire argument in a nutshell and vote to dismiss after 15 seconds of deliberation

>>716098685
and what do they get thrown out on pray tell?

>>716098639
It died before i could even get a PC that could play it. I used to game on a complete potato. Now i finally have a PC that can un games but a lot of those multiplayer games got killed.

>>716079241 (OP)
>why
jews

>>716097772
>digital games will be cheaper because they don't have to print discs
>microtransactions means they won't have to charge for expansions
They will do anything they can get away with to maximize profits regardless. We've been through this too many times. Costs are irrelevant

>>716098525
First you'll have to prove it's anticonsumer.

>>716098793
>And that benefits me... How?
more games to try once they die out
are you dense?

>>716097278
In this case it means
>don't blow it up with enough dynamite to level a mountain and send burning debris flying into other people's buildings and cars

>>716098810
Considering that the consumer protection agencies still haven't made a decision and it got escalated to the highest levels, that is unlikely.

>>716083419
You underestimate the luxury market anon, life isn't 'oh you can spend ten million dollars, you can literally get anything you want'.
Life is 'oh ten million dollar boat huh? That's cute, my 300 million dollar boat mogs yours, pleb'
So you scam a bunch of retards and buy yourself that 600 million dollar boat, but now you're getting teased by the billion dollar super-yacht owners. And so on.

>>716098870
a company reserving the right to revoke access to your game you paid for, for any or NO reason at all, is inherently anti-consumer
there's no way around that, that's textbook anti-consumer practice

>>716098597
Well B failed because of C like The Crew and you still threw a tantrum.

>>716098883
I literally do not care about that.
I have other things to do than play video games on the daily like a NEET faggot for me to "run out" of them, so they can just die out as much as they want, I'll still have plenty of other shit to play.

>>716098531
>enjoy having the expenses of having to deal with class action lawsuits every time a game shuts down.
oy veyyyyyyyyyyyyyy anti-semite. this is an affront to the free market and judaism you bigot!

>>716098709
>that is irrelevant.
It's not. Nice bad faith argument.

>>716098810
>>716098426

it's more
>publishers are trying to find every way to circumvent the spirit of the law already established for profit and this should be remedied.

>>716097891
I will both not buy it, and complain. It's the /v/ way

>>716098757
Okay, I'll help you out then, here's what you need to do to file a class action in the EU:
1: Find a qualified entity (a public consumer body, an NGO, a regulator) to represent, as you cannot sue as an individual.
> qualified entities should be subject to the same criteria for designation across the Union. In particular, they should be legal persons that are properly constituted in accordance with national law of the Member State of designation, have a certain degree of permanence and level of public activity, have a non-profit-making character and have a legitimate interest, given their statutory purpose, in protecting the interests of consumers as provided for by Union law. Qualified entities should not be the subject of insolvency proceedings or be declared to be insolvent. They should be independent and should not be influenced by persons other than consumers who have an economic interest in the bringing of a representative action, in particular by traders or hedge funds, including in the event of funding by third parties. Qualified entities should have established procedures to prevent such influence as well as to prevent conflicts of interest between themselves, their funding providers and the interests of consumers.
2: Establish scope for the case under DIRECTIVE (EU) 2020/1828
3: Establish whether opt-in or opt-out is the applicaable action
4: Establish desired remedies to be submitted
5: Be subject to third-party funding rules and safeguards.
6: In line with 1, have abuse prevention protections to avoid fivolous or vexatious litigation.

This should all be classed under Step 1 by the way.

Good luck

>>716099091
>I have other things to do than play video games on the daily like a NEET faggot
if that were true then you wouldn't be seeing stuff about SKG "every waking moment of your day"

>>716099015
Pretty much this, rich people's lives is just flexing on eachother with expensive shit and trying to make sure you're not outflexed too hard and made to look poor. I guess if you have that much money what else is there to do?

>>716098959
Just know that if it does fail it's not because you are oppressed, but because smarter people understand things better than you.

>>716097891
trannies in replies seething at being exposed

>>716099104
>nu-uh
I accept your concession
>>716099032
now this is a bad faith argument. B didn't fail because of C buying.

>>716086632
Moon Channel
Act Man
James Lee

>>716099015
>>716099204
Reading this, do rich people have hobbies? As in, actual things that bring them joy in life?

>>716086054
Shut the fuck up faggot.

>>716099031
The Crew being delisted after failing wasn't anti-consumer so that's false already.

>>716099213
If it does fail, then the next step is to escalate to demand new laws.

>>716098813
Depends on the case, but for a number of reasons:
>frivolous or vexatious
>no standing
>not using a Qualified Entity
>no fault of the defendant
>time to claim has elapsed
>no basis for claim in contract

>>716099265
golf

>>716099142
Thanks, I will it in mind.

>>716099221
>I accept your concession
Bad faith argument.
>B didn't fail because of C
More lies and gaslighting.

>>716099265
raping children, sexually vampirizing their life essence and then sacrificing them to satan usually.

>>716099265
Gaining more money
Buying increasingly large/numerous boats
Getting away with increasingly weird fetishes up to and exceeding eating literal babies.

>>716099360
>more nu-uh
thank you for playing

>>716099291
It actually just means that you were wrong since SKG is an opinion and not a fact.

>>716089251
I can hear it.

>>716083979
We used to, a long time ago.
that era is dead and buried.

>>716099393
I'm not done yet and I'll keep posting in this thread at my leisure. Sorry.

>>716099351
You prove with every post that you have no idea on litigation in the EU and are just posturing online to act like you have a damned clue.

>>716099283
bad faith argument
whatever their reason was for delisting is irrelevant. people paid money for a game and the company decided it can no longer be played
access revoked for a paid product, anti-consumer. if apple did that with iphones they'd be sued into the dirt
and the crew was a game that didn't even benefit from being always-online. the game could have been reasonably playable completely offline but they recklessly made it in a way that still allowed access to be completely revoked

uh oh one funnyhat got mad about one specific post :^)

>>716099419
It's an opinion because it hasn't been made into law, all that needs to happen is to make the opinion into law and there is no problems anymore.
It doesn't matter if something is right or wrong, if the law says the sky is pink and claiming it is blue will send you to jail, and you say it's blue, well, enjoy jail.

>>716099539
Nope. Not even by SKGs standards. They accept that service games existand they want them more clearly defined to the consumer and with end of life dates. Everything you just said was your personal opinion and has nothing to do with SKG.

>>716099419
A fact is something like "the sky is blue", an opinion is "beans on toast is disgusting", SKG is neither, it's an initiative.

>>716091317
>grok, write a desperate post begging for skg to be forgotten like ukraine was
>grok, rewrite the same post but make it sound more desperate
>grok, rewrite the same post but pretend SKG is something inconsequential and unpopular
>grok, rewrite the same post but don't make it sound like an indian wrote it
>.... perfect!

>>716099729
now you're moving the goalpost. go back and reread the convo

>>716099796
I'm good, thanks.

>>716099781
@grok, is this true?

New Thread!
>>716099583
>>716099583
>>716099583

>>716092696
correct. that is how the term is used now.
if you disagree with someone left wing, you are obviously right wing because only right wingers DARE disagree with YOU.
And all right wingers are EVIL NAZI GRIFTER INCELS
So anyone disagreeing with you is a grifter.

Its just tautological reasoning.
You can find retards from /pol/ doing the same thing but with jews.

>>716099513
Reminder that Ubisoft is actually being sued right now over the crew.

>>716098369
>you had access to the service for 5+ years
I only bought the service last week. Is that really all I get for €60?

>>716100153
>I only bought the service last week.
Sales of the game are discontinued long before EoS, you would not have been able to buy "last week".

>>716099283
Did the crew fail? I have literally never seen this take outside of anti SKG posts. Can you prove it?

>>716100507
The Crew has physical copies. You could in fact buy it a week before it was shut down

>>716100970
What was written on the box, both on the front and back?
I'll wait.
Post the answer over here: >>716099583

>>716100682
The games daily user total was in the single digits month after month.

>>716090847
the fundamental error of you commies is that no one would make things for you to steal if you can just steal them

>>716101215
The game didn't have a reoccurring cost for customers. Player retention has no impact on how much money it made

>>716101407
It had a recurring cost to the developers and almost nobody was playing it so it was delisted.

>>716081139
>partially
Ford v. Dodge. If they're publically traded, it's 100% true.

>>716101573
The cost was their choice, and trivial to bypass

>>716101731
Noted.