Thread 716103302

Where did it all go wrong?

>>716103302 (OP)
It didnt, its more profitable than star wars

Capitalism.

>>716103302 (OP)
the year was 1998
gamefreak made a buggy mess
and everyone loved it

>>716103302 (OP)
being a 30 year franchise

black and white and onwards were dogshit
too much focus on online multiplayer instead of the singleplayer campaign

>>716103302 (OP)
After Gen 2

>>716103302 (OP)
gen six, obviously

Pokemon GO. It could have been the ultimate Pokemon kino, if it had been a real game.

>>716103302 (OP)
DS/Wii era was the end of genuinely fun Pokemon games. The spin-offs and mainline were both phenomenal. Now it’s just shitty mobile trash. We don’t even have GTS built into mainline anymore, it’s a soulless separate app…

>>716103302 (OP)
Supposedly when the genwunners started making propaganda that all new mons are shit. New pokemon have all been fire outside of the "Iron X" paradox mons and their shit names.

The real issues is the stories have gotten progressively more shit after gen 5 (except Sun/Moon, single-handedly carried by Lillie). They haven't even had real bad guys since gen 6.

>>716103686
lol you're a niggerlover, who cares what you have to say

>>716103302 (OP)
gen 5
then it immediately went right with gen 6 again

>>716103302 (OP)
gen V

>>716103302 (OP)
fa(g)iry types

After Crystal

>>716103302 (OP)
>Play Gen 1-3 as a kid, love it
>Play gen 4, meh
>Don't play any other game after
>Main complaint I keep coming back to is just that all the new Pokemon designs look gay starting with Sinnoh.
Are any post gen 4 Pokemon games worth playing for someone like me?

I've recently started listening to a bunch of low-effort isekai fanfic audiobooks on Youtube at work. One of them was a Pokemon focused story that made me think about playing a Pokemon game again.

>>716103828
I'd be inclined to agree if there weren't some cool fairy mons. Iron Val, Tinkaton, GWeezing, are a bunch of cool guys.

>>716103975
>Are any post gen 4 Pokemon games worth playing for someone like me?
USUM is decent, otherwise no

>>716103302 (OP)
Game Freak's been extremely corporate since before even Yellow released and before they created The Pokemon Company. There are some old ass interviews that prove it.

Gen 5. Gen 4 was the logical conclusion of the series, complete with literal god as the final pokemon.
Gen 5 abandoned a japanese setting, had the worst designs in the franchise, had a fanfic tier story even by pokemon standards, and retarded shit like rotation battles.

>>716103975
platinum and bw2 have decent mixes of gens 1-3
usum is fun if you can stomach the pacing
probably just stick with romhacks, idk

>>716103302 (OP)
USUM

>>716103302 (OP)
gen6 (aka 3D pokemon)

>>716103975
Care to share the "gay" mons with the class, Anon?

Also gen 4 was a shit ton of evolutions for already existing mons, so you're calling the gen 1-3 mons gay aswell, retard

>>716103302 (OP)
gen 5 was a turning point because all of the low hanging fruit was picked and the formula was essentially "perfected" though gen 5 itself was packed full of effort and content even if some was hit or miss. Gen 6 feels like they didn't finish the game but had enough gimmicks, nostalgia baiting, and mechanic shakeup to be interesting. It's been a bunch of wheels spinning since then which is magnified by the gigantic leap in what games in general can do

You finally woke up, anon! Come on, let’s transfer that Garchomp I gave you to Pokemon Ranch. Then we can trade together in Platinum.
https://youtu.be/O_xfsWd5Qv8?feature=shared

>>716103302 (OP)
Quality started going down in gen 5, but the point of no return was gen 7.

>>716104364
>though gen 5 itself was packed full of effort and content

Body Type A type B

>>716104093
>>716104171
>>716104306
Apparently they made new 3D remakes of Gen 1-4. Are those worth playing or are they just "le soulless remakes"?

>>716103827
Black and White had the Undella Bay underwater maze, Alola is the region that is designed as a corridor.

>>716103302 (OP)
Gen 5 because that's when they started letting gaijin make the Pokemon designs.

>>716103302 (OP)
Black & White 1.

>>716103828
Fairy is no issue given dragon is a type too, if anything fairy should have been there from the start, without it a lot of cool pokemon with good potential were stuck as normal types.

>>716104364
>gen 5 itself was packed full of effort and content even if some was hit or miss
>Gen 6 feels like they didn't finish the game
and yet the latter has contests, secret bases, ribbons, berry farming, multiple fishing rods, pokeradar, a useful bottom screen, and more than 1 animation per pokemon while the former doesn't

gen 5's entire reputation hinges on retards parroting zoomers cock slurping the game and hoping no one actually plays the game to notice

>>716104306
Magmortar
Electrovire
Magnezone

all gay unwanted additions for already perfect pokemon lines. Absolutely gay.

>>716104473
>le soulless remakes
BDSP are ok, but they are unironically soulless remakes, not some /v/ meme. Removed features, ugly ass art direction, forced affection (webm related), glitch overworld movement. It's easily the lowest effort put into any remake and Pokemon game in general.

I recommend emulating Renegade Platinum or Blaze Black 2.

>>716104529
They're optional, Unova was a corridor twisted on the tip to not look the straight line it was, even had straight line as routes. But yeah Alola took everything bad on b&w and cranked it up to 12; fucking terrible games tbqh

>>716104651
>Magmortar
This is b8

gen 3 was the last one I liked but I didn’t play any afterwards because I wasn’t a kid anymore. The newest ones do look considerably worse in terms of mechanics/“soul” though

>>716104739
WHY IS THE FLOW SO GODDAMNED
BAD HOLY FUCK get the team that
did the stadium cartridges in here

>>716104739
LMAO

>>716104473
Gen 1 remakes (FireRed and LeafGreen) are a massive upgrade from the GB games, Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee are more like companion games for Pokemon Go that sorta ressemble Pokemon Yellow, but don't really feel like mainline games.
Gen 2 remakes (HeartGold and SoulSilver) are when the franchise absolutely peaked.
Gen 3 remakes (OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire) are harder to pinpoint, they're decent games but they don't overtake Emerald the way prior remakes were a complete step up from the originals, mainly due to them not even attempting to replicate the exclusive Emerald content, there are upgrades to Ruby and Sapphire through and through.
Gen 4 remakes (Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl) were outsourced to ILCA so GameFreak could focus on Legends Arceus, as such they're essentially just ports of the DS games down to the very visual structure of the games, essentially the same as gen 4 but with HD graphics, while all prior remakes look like the gens they came out in (FRLG look like RSE, HGSS look like DPPt and ORAS look like XY, while BDSP look nothing like Sword and Shield).
The actual gen 4 "remake" clearly was Legends Arceus, which is pretty good overall, very innovative.

>>716104473
FRLG are fine, people only really seethe over not being able to use Crobat until they get the National Pokédex
HGSS are considered a high point of the franchise, as is Gen IV in general
ORAS is a bit more of a mixed bag and feels kind of like fan fiction and also lacks a lot of Emerald's content, but people at least appreciate it for being new
BDSP is an outsourced project that butchered the art style, were blatantly rushed and unfinished at launch, hardly touched Platinum's content and QoL, were compromised by Pokémon's modern design choices, didn't include any Gen V+ Pokémon, and the new content that was there was good but it also felt pretty bare in comparison to what previous remakes did.

I say this as someone who ranks the original games as IV > II > I > III

>>716104781
Magmar ruined for nothing is the greivance.

Palworld unironically killed Pokemon.

>>716104601
>Berry farming
Opinion disregarded, you might as well talk about Apricorns being removed

>>716103302 (OP)
kid you would have never imagined pokemon on machines 1000x more powerful having presentation 100x worse

>>716103686
True. Violet is objectively worse because its paradox pokemon are all retarded and Miraidon is gay. Scarlet’s paradoxes have bad names too but they at least look better. Both are shit games tho so it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day.

>>716105019
>"Perpetual beta from the studio that never finishes games killed Pokemon"

>>716104651
>perfect pokemon lines
>magneton
>Literally just got 3 of the 1st stage and put them together and called it a new mon

Least obvious genwunner b8

>>716103302 (OP)
3D leap that killed their ability to develop games with any amount of competence.

>>716105170
The future themeing works a thousand times better with the plot of gen 9, and the uniforms aren't a colossal eyesore.

>>716105068
>you might as well talk about another thing gen 5 lazily removed that zoomers don't want you to notice

The Fairy type killed all Pokémon as a franchise

>>716103302 (OP)
it's conception.

>>716104145
Man you're so retarded
I am a literal genwunner or whatever the zoomers say, I think Gen 3 onwards is shit, but I can't deny excadrill is awesome
Anyways I agree or disagree with the rest of your list though

>>716105220
This.

>>716104739
I hate affection so much
Game Freak could also stand to visually represent things better. If multiple stats rise/fall, quickly show a mini bar graph with the affected stats going up/down by segments, or make it part of the Pokémon's status bar.

>>716103302 (OP)
nothing? PLA and SV are pretty good

>>716103397
Gen 6 was the beginning of the end.
Gen 7 was life support.
And Gen 8 was when it was completely over.

>>716105276
No I mean that they're both so minor in the grand scheme of things. I like Apricorns but it's not like I needed them to enjoy Kanto, Hoenn, or Sinnoh. Berries were just things you collected, sometimes you would grow some more, but it was that exciting of a feature. Pokéblocks and Poffins weren't fun mechanics, they're just kind of there, wasting your berries. Kind of like how contests are there, wasting your movesets.

>>716105328
Affection just builds steadily and it's impossible for it to go down unless you're a gigantic retard.

>>716105417
Yeah I actually enjoyed SV, more so than the previous 'newer' gens. Still has the main issue with difficulty being for children.

Like the gym leader music went so hard, all for my mons to wipe their team cpu is pathetic even if you avoid over levelling

>>716105538
>i-i-it's minor because the game I like doesn't have it
Of course.

>>716105489
Gen 5 was the beggining of the end
Gen 6 was a trip with the chance of course correct
Gen 7 jumped the shark in the wrong way; it was effectively over

>>716104306
I don't even remember which Pokémon got new evolutions but I agree with all of these after looking them up. >>716104651

>>716105538
>Pokéblocks and Poffins weren't fun mechanics, they're just kind of there, wasting your berries. Kind of like how contests are there, wasting your movesets.
this nigga dont ribbon master

>>716105583
SwSh has the better gyms, music, leaders, spectacle and all, it's one of the few things gen 8 did better than gen 9.

>>716105325
Oof

>>716104651
Without those Magmar, Electabuzz and Magneton are fucking useless.

>>716105325
Press select and spin the Poké Ball on the touchscreen and you'll speed through Gen IV's bag. By the way, Gen IV's bag holds literally every single item ever and categorizes them far better while previous games were far more limited and required you to discard items. Remember how Gen I only let you hold 20 items in your bag at once? There were no pockets, no item descriptions, and by the end of the game, there were 20 unsellable items (ie. key items). If you horded all 50 TMs like me, they'd take up your whole PC while key items would take up your bag, you couldn't even catch Pokémon since you couldn't carry any balls.

Literally everything after gold/silver although that was the beginning of the end because it made them think it was possible to come up with a new dex of 100+ pokemon every iteration without inevitably running out of ideas and end up producing the absolute uninspired boring trash they are now

>>716103302 (OP)
gen 5

>Niggas shitting up on Electivire
Fucker was a solid early mon when gen 4 was new. Also Seaking

gen 5, games for nigger zoomtards

>>716105601
>Implying I suck off Gen V
Try harder yawnfag
Berry farming is a non-feature, it's like counting badge polishing

>>716105685
If only contests were more enjoyable

>>716103302 (OP)
Gen 7 was the breaking point for me and Palworld the final nail in the coffin.

The only pokemon related thing I'm looking forward now is Pokemon clover 2.0

in all my years on the internet I've never encountered a person who gave a single fuck about contests. You can find all kinds of pokemon discussion from smogon autism to the game corner, but I've never seen anything about contests outside of being on "feature" lists. Just thinking about it now there's probably room for contest metagames and stuff but I've never even seen an attempt

>>716105737
I mean electavire is still useless because it lost speed on evo

Magnezone is pretty meta defining tho

GO / Gen7.

They failed in the transition to 3D

>>716105946
The only side feature people care about are battle facilities, and 90% of it is Factory streamers, and 90% of those Factory streamers are Japanese kek

>>716103302 (OP)
Unironically

>>716105946
Just so you can change your mind, I loved contests, had a milotic that got master rank in almost everything, I swear I had over 100 ribbons on it, was definitely a different experience, but I really liked it.

>>716105705
>Oof
Do NOT try to be cute, buster! :3

>>716103881
Well this makes sense considering Pokemon is a children's game and always has been.

>>716103302 (OP)
Keeping Gamefreak without forcing them to improve. Nintendo not applying the same standards they apply to their other first party games. Gamefreak either has too much power or none of them care.

>>716106035
Need to just retcon it ALL and try again what a fuckin joke they and these games are

>>716104306
Rhyperior is a straight visual downgrade in every way.

>>716104651
the real crime is making these niggas trade evos
>wanted to use magmortar in my last platinum playthrough
>had to use pksm to evolve magmar

>>716103302 (OP)
Declined with later Masuda, shat the bed with Ohmori

>>716105973
Electavire's speed was fine because it would always eat an electric move especially in the no team preview era. Its problem was and still is it doesn't hit hard enough

>>716105946
>>716106125
Same. Always loved them as the side thing with its own mini-"league". Hot take: pkstars studios was great too

>>716106203
They do, GF glued itself to pokemon years ago. The games are completely dead for anyone that wants a gen 4 type of goog game now.

On N64 when everyone expected a 3D Pokemon adventure like how Mario or Zelda transitioned to 3D but instead we got Stadium.

>>716106035
This guy knows.

>>716106307
Have they fixed trade evos yet? There ought to be an npc you can trade pokemon with for the incel shutins

>>716103302 (OP)
Everything after Gen V. From then on it got more and more lazy.

>>716105946
It's because they're counterintuitive to the rest of the game. You have to have movesets that aren't necessarily functional in the main game. Contests may try to promote certain combinations like Defense Curl + Rollout so it's not all bad, but it feels like such a halfbaked feature. They tried to make it progress with the player in Ruby and Sapphire, with contest halls in certain cities, then they just gave up and shoved them all in Lilycove in Emerald and Hearthome in Sinnoh. There's just no way to play the game with contest rules outside of the contest halls, unlike battles which are everywhere. When you feed a Pokémon Pokéblocks or Poffins, you up its sheen. Well it turns out that you can mess this up permanently and lock a Pokémon out of being fully viable. Kids have botched their hard-earned Feebas and have to breed a new one to try again and get Milotic. The mechanics behind contests and Pokéblocks/Poffins weren't fully known for well over a decade because there just wasn't much interest. Contest opponents mostly went undocumented as well. The people who do contests do it because they want the ribbons, not because they like contests. Musicals are vapid shit, but at least they didn't take up more effort than they reasonably should.

>>716106430
You want to see halfbaked crap? The shit on gen 5; the musicals. WTF was that shit?!

>>716103302 (OP)
Sometime around gen 4 and 5

>>716106165
Children's game =/= bad game, but simplistic often means more people will play it. There's a reason app games blew up and it's that they're low effort and low cost to start but are designed around microtransactions.
I could also navigate Pokémon at 6 years old.

How do we fix pokemon?

>>716106430
Ignoring the bricking from feeding bad blocks, I kinda liked that, like it was a whole different track of the game, different requirements, but then like you said, sadly they cocked it all up later

>>716106383
>>716106035
>>716106212
>3D bad
ENTER

>>716106242
You're not wrong, not all the evos were winners. Rhyperior is definitely the down syndrome child no one wanted.

But if you think all these dudes would have been better without their evos, you're delusional

>>716106693
Difficulty modes, no more inanimate object mons, more cute girls

>>716105203
The unseen magnetic force is part of the design.
It's cool.

>>716105279
Likely not wrong.

>>716106430
Oh yeah, and it just occurred to me that if you wanted to breed your Feebas and try again back in Ruby and Sapphire, you had to hope your Feebas was female because there was no Ditto at the time. If you FINALLY found one and caught one (I was smart enough to catch multiple from the spot I found just in case) only to mess up with Pokéblocks, you had to go searching again.

>>716106693
>Remove the Fairy type
>Remove Mega Evolutions
>Remove regional forms
>Have more violence
>Do something GTA-style
>eliminate the competitive

>>716106693
Turn it into palworld but without guns because shartendo's gonna freak.

>>716106693
All of the Pokemon games are still objectively amazing!

DEAL WITH IT!

The only improvement that they need is LEVEL SCALING so that they won't be too easy!

>>716103302 (OP)
we grew up

>>716106864
>kys

>>716106371
It was both. Going from a speedy 105 where you outspeed a significant portion of the metagame, to 95 where you're slower than all the base 100s, is a pretty big deal.

Also back in gen 4 you're best move was 75 power thunder punch, and that still the only worthwhile physical electric move to this date (outside of supercell shitter)

>>716105019
If only. Palworld has better designs than modern Pokemon AND the variety in animations for Pals puts their games to shame.

>>716103346
Whew, and here I was thinking something might have gone wrong with Star Wars too.

>>716106847
Since I've been appreciating the Fairy type, I've largely ignored Pokemon.

I also hate that Fairy-type shit like Sylveon, Mimikyu, Tinkaton, etc. are popular.

>>716107001
That looks like shit tho

>>716107043
Disliking Cremis is a clear sign of shit taste.

I didnt buy gen 9 and I feel 100% vindicated in my decision. Maybe ill come back when the games arent shit but its been a decade of garbage. I will stick to the good old pokemon games that i like and romhacks not hoping that the new games will improve when they never will

>>716103302 (OP)
Probably right after Sword/Shield.
Sw&Sh definitely had issues, but I think it became far more apparent with D&P Remakes and Scarlet & Violet. Their appeal to global audience was kicked into full swing, and now not only was game quality worse, but so were the designs of trainers and pokemon along side them.
>>716107013
Kek

>>716107434
Looks like a shitty eevee to me, and I don’t like eevee either

>>716103302 (OP)
gen 3
>no connectivity with gen 1/2
>removed day/night cycle
>no postgame johto/kanto which was expected after gen 2
my generation dropped it around this point

>>716106786
I agree, the games are way too easy, when all you need is your starter and you can steamroll the whole game and shitmons need to go, that just makes them look super lazy. Cute waifus are always a bonus. S+V had some really questionable pokemon trainers and npcs in the world, not sure who they were trying to appeal to with those strange genderbent old people.
>>716106864
I think the whole you play a 10 year old thing is really weird and in S+V the mc looked younger than 10. Also, why are they sacrificing their kids at 10? Imo they should toss that lore. S+V attempted to have a story, maybe work on that a bit and try to age it up some more.
>>716106901
In the anime they are on an adventure. Ash is camping in the woods, in the games you get fucking pokeblocks/berries and petting your pokemon. It'd be neat if there were more activities in the wild like a trainer game, where you can fish, or explore, but maybe work in short/long rests like traditional rpgs have for more immersion.
>>716106910
They are slow and dated af and need some sort of innovating. I think the only reason people even play them anymore is sunk cost fallacy and nostalgia baiting. Nintendo are masters at monetizing nostalgia.

>>716107434
Correct. Also that's a big boi.

>>716106763
I love Porygon-Z and Electivire. Weavile Gliscor, Yanmega, Leafeon, Glaceon, and Gallade are cool. Lickitung was already the pedophile Pokémon so Lickilicky doesn't bother me. Probopass made me lawl at the time. Dusknoir is cool but I don't feel like it really captures the spirit of Dusclops, though it works with Duskull. Magnezone is fine, it's not like Magneton was a glorious design decision. Rhyperior doesn't feel anywhere near as iconic as Rhydon. I don't feel right trashing Magmortar because even though everyone loves Magmar, it's only because the Blaine episode with Charizard. Outside of that, nobody knows what it's supposed to be with its butt forehead and duck mouth and metal bands (it's Birdon, but I don't expect any western kid to know that). Togekiss is more bird-like which makes sense. Togepi comes from Japanese toge (spiky) + chirping sounds from a chick, hence the egg design. Togetic is called Togechick in Japanese to continue this. And Togekiss is fully grown. I like Tangela more than Tangrowth just because of its shape. Mamoswine is cool, but once again it has that Dusknoir thing where it doesn't feel fully in-tune with the previous evolution. Honchkrow is cool too, but the face is so different, and Mismagius is a straightforward evolution. Ambipom is who cares, but I forget Aipom exists sometimes.

>>716107616
That's a big one, they are usually much smaller.

>>716103302 (OP)
>most sucessful media franchise of history
It dont

>>716103686
>except Sun/Moon
Kek

>>716107021
I hated that Clefairy and co got turned into Fairy types.

>>716106693
Full control to Shigeki Morimoto, Masuda dead on a ditch beforehand.

>>716103302 (OP)
Ultra Sun/Moon was the last good games. After that it's been phoned in unplayable garbage meant for literal toddlers.

Pokémon's difficulty would be fixed if they just let the player play in Battle Tower mode for overworld Trainer battles. Levels are invisible but set to 50, experience is rewarded based on original levels so you grow at the same rate as you would normally, and you have to choose the same number of Pokémon as your opponent has on hand. You battle a Sailor, so you expect Water-types and you choose an Electric-type or a Pokémon with Electric moves.

This way, it no longer becomes common sense to overlevel your starter and mash your way through the game, you need an actual team. Your growth isn't through levels, it's through stats from EVs, higher base stats from evolved Pokémon, and good movesets.

>>716107792
People give it shit for all the dialogue, which I get

Being a VN fag myself, I thought it was a great addition. It's a matter of taste

>>716107824
Also because of the Fairy type, some Pokémon I liked were severely affected.
>Altaria
>Mightyena
>Mandibuzz
>Honchkrow
>Liepard

>>716107640
They really should have made them all unrelated but similar species. That could reduce the writer's block even with more alternative designs for the "same" pokemon.

>>716108007
I give it shit because the overbearing story and characters obnoxiously control every aspect of your progression and navigation. It's not that it has too much dialogue, it's that it's severely restrictive.

Why does Pokemon have so many shitty rom hacks and fan games?
It's all garbage and worse than the actual games.

>>716107824
I should also mention that Megas and regional forms ruined other Pokémon I liked or wanted to give a try.
>Blastoise
>Ninetales (they gave their Alolan form the damn Fairy type)
>Aggron
>Male Lopunny
>Ampharos
>Swampert

>>716103302 (OP)
Gamefreak realized their fans will eat up anything they shit out so they don't bother putting in any effort despite being a multi million dollar company.

>>716104987
Bro there was nothing to ruin, Magmar sucked

>>716103302 (OP)
They added way too many Pokemon way too fast, every new region needs like 50 filler shitmons that no one gives a shit about and instantly forget about, and now these games have to juggle 1000+ Pokemon.

And dexit doesn't solve this problem at all, Gamefreak is still designing way too much filler that gets less and less inspired. And I feel for the designers, churning out 100 Pokemon per generation when practically every animal combination has been used at this point. But it's extremely frustrating when the region is filled to the brim with fucking garbage and some of the Pokemon you like are just deleted from existence until Gamefreak sells them back to you in a DLC expansion if you get lucky.

That, and stagnation. Pokemon has been going through the motions since gen 6, selling the exact same game with a shiny new transformation gimmick. And all that effort gets flushed down the toilet when they abandon it for something else next gen.

Pokemon simultaneously is woefully lacking in basic areas, while far too much effort is put into shit that either sucks, is pointless, or is just gonna be thrown in the trash in a few years. It's the worst of both worlds.

>>716105325
>5 seconds vs 7 seconds
Oh nooooooooooooooooo

>>716104918
Even without affection pokemon games have awful flow. So many things happening in agonizing sequence that should happen simultaneously. Competitive battles don't work on cart at all because they can't fit in the 20m time limit while that same battle in a sim (which also has animations) would take maybe five minutes.

>>716108498
Palworld made the right call with this. Each major update has added maybe a dozen new pals and the rest are elemental variants of existing pals, so far their designs have maintained pretty consistent quality due to that.

>>716103302 (OP)
Unironically with the success of Red & Blue. It got worse with every subsequent game as they realized they could get away with more and more with each iteration.

>>716103302 (OP)
It was "a death of a thousand cuts" situation.
>Gen 5's backlash traumatized Game Freak into feeling the need to pander.
>Gen 6 was not only the beginning of the soulless 3D era but also the dumbing down of mechanics.
>Gen 7 is where region design quality diminished.
>Gen 8 was objectively the most hideous gen in terms of monster design which the subsequent one only being marginally better.
>Gen 9 was where Game Freak at its most unprofessional was enabled with massive financial success.

From reading some of the posts in this thread
>Gen 3 and/or 4 jumping the shark in terms of legendaries
>Gen 5 leaving Japan
>Gen 6 not having a BF because of dumb phone-addicted kids
The first two have no correlation with a decline in quality while the 3rd one is nothing more than an excuse.

>>716108890
>Gen 5's backlash traumatized Game Freak into feeling the need to pander.
>implying gen 5 wasn't already a subtle pander

>>716103478
Gen 5 had the best campaign of the series though

>>716108851
This is definitely true, coming from a new gen shill. The community will buy every ounce of slop because they've committed so much of their life to the game, catching shinies, transferring old mons, etc. They've succumb to a mix of fomo and the sunk cost fallacy.

Our only hope is that some competition forces them to up their game, which is basically impossible when big daddy nintendo smites every somewhat adjacent game with cease and desists

>>716105313
Conceptually yes but the design is ass.

>>716109167
Black & white 2 was top tier but the gen is held back by the wet fart of the prequel. HG/SS is far ahead and the gen was also very strong outside those titles

>>716103686
>Blames genwunners calling new pokemon shit for things being bad
>Immediately calls new Pokemon shit
Weird to self-report like that but okay

>>716105179
>Beakmans World
>Brady Bunch movie
>Waiting
Man, I thought Marsha's gay best friend in that movie was so fucking hot

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>>716103302 (OP)
Sun and Moon, I've played every handheld version of the series (base series) and it's the only one I couldn't get into to finish it. Ugly ass versions of classic Pokemon (hobo Meowth, long neck executor) dumbass new pokemon (can't remember examples because they're so boring). I don't think I ever made it past the first major city you get to.

>>716109470
>Ugly ass versions of classic Pokemon (hobo Meowth, long neck executor)
>He doesn't like mugger Meowth and Snowy Vulpix/yokai Nintetales
Nigger, they're pretty much the only good thing in that gen

>>716109284
You are missing the nuance. People are calling the new games shit because the pokemon are shit (they aren't). Its a poor reason to dislike the new games.

Calling the new games shit because the story is bland and the difficulty is permanently set to jounalist, is fair game

>>716109470
the game is basically unplayable due to the fact that you cant skip dialogue or cutscenes.

>>716109562
Stop, I can only hate it so much.

>>716106693
Either drastically cut the number of mass-produced new slop mons that they clearly feel forced to do given their poor quality or stop making them all together in favor of giving popular mons new forms to play with. Give me cool alternate forms of Golduck, Kingdra, Tropius, and Lickilicky and there's a lot I'd be willing to tolerate in return. Also put whoever came up with Alolan Exeggutor at the helm for this seeing as how anyone can tell that he actually likes his job.

>>716109703
Story is irrelevant in games, in pokemon it's a negative point when it's some sort of focus.

>>716109776
B-But the rocky pupper that evolves into edgy doge... and Oricorio. Think about the Oricorio my man, hail the Oricorio

>>716103302 (OP)
nintards enjoy and defend mediocrity
pokefags are like nintards, but exclusively for the pokecrap franchise and thousand times worse

>>716108497
Use him in a battle in Stadium2. You're gay.

They really should have capitalized on alternate forms like a decade earlier, not after there were like 700+ mons, especially if they were going to endlessly Kanto pander forever anyway.

>>716106018
This is the objective truth and I hate that it died with ORAS. Would have been fine if it died there if we had gotten the battle frontier and more customizable options ala gen 5s hard mode.

>>716110378
Kanto is the absolute ONLY fucking redeemable thing about the game anymore you faggot

>>716110862
Where did I say that it wasnt, you retarded ESL SEA nigger?

>>716103302 (OP)
I only care to acknowledge the original 151 and Mudkip.

>>716110967
You watch your fuckin mouth when you’re replying to me you lil bitch

>>716111272
Learn English and go back to your Chinese sweatshop, nigger

>>716103302 (OP)
they realized no one cares if they try hard, so why try hard?
and then they realized they could try EVEN less than previously thought possible by taking out the pokemon where the entire series was founded on having them all and people would not only not care, but actively run defense FOR them.
Pokemon could be great but for some reason Pokemon fans don't want it to be good

>>716109856
I thought the story was one of the few good things about S+V, that and sandwich making.

>>716103302 (OP)
the list of retarded decisions is way too long, seeing this franchise going down in quality game after game really is sad for someone who grew up loving it
XY was the real turning point for me

>>716103302 (OP)
It didn't, you just got old.
Sad but it happens to all of us.

Zoroark

>>716106763
>Rhyperior is definitely the down syndrome child no one wanted.
I really like Rhyperior
I just happen to acknowledge Rhydon looks way cooler though

>>716105328
GF had that tech all the way back in gen 3 don't know why they dropped it

>>716103302 (OP)
yellow version

>>716103302 (OP)
Generation 2 - 2025

>>716103302 (OP)
It all went wrong once it hit the Switch. It may have been in decline prior to that, but nonstop irredeemable garbage on the Switch made it very clear they don’t care about quality at all because you’ll buy it anyway.

>>716103752
kek wtf even is that?

>>716103828
Honestly they didn't go far enough with fairy on release. It was a coward move not to make Pikachu electric-fairy, but Gamefreak has always been scared to make changes to pokemon, and especially for such a popular money maker mon. They should have also given the three elemental monkeys (simisear, simipour and simisage) secondary fairy typing too.

>>716103302 (OP)
Black and White being a downgrade from HG/SS, having a bunch of ugly shitmons and trying to ape Gen 1 in all the wrong ways, if not just trying to ape it at all. The region team was shit, the story was shit, the 2.5D looked like shit even for the time The only reason people give a shit about BW is because the femTrainer was the only good design out of that entire shitshow and made coomers hard.
No, I don't care if BW2 was "good," BW was a monumentally terrible first impression, even worse than D/P, and the Gen deserved to fail because of it. Making me pay AGAIN for a complete walk-back of a sequel is fucking bullshit, especially after wearing out the "definitive edition" goodwill of bullshit like Yellow, Crystal, Emerald and Platinum for years, despite how good they were. That shit was the final straw.

Also the anime losing steam because it couldn't stop trying to milk Ash and Pikachu.

>>716108659
Shit adds up over the course of a game you're going to be playing for a hundred or more hours.

Does yawnfag ever take a break

>>716119217
he's been doing this daily for over 10 years

>>716103302 (OP)
3DS

>>716103302 (OP)
the games are still made for 5 year olds despite the fact that no one under 25 gives a shit about pokemon
at least add an optional difficulty mode or something

When they realize they can make trillions on merchandise

>>716103302 (OP)
>Handheld developer
>Suddenly has to jump 3 generations ahead with Switch
>Still uses their shitty 3DS engine to make open world Switch games
>Still uses their 3DS game development timelines for 10x bigger games
>Training of new staff takes years because of their proprietary 3DS engine
>Short development cycles combined with new staff not being ready results in the shit show we've seen
They were caught with their pants down.
Hopefully their new game is an indication they are moving to UE5 for Pokemon too. It will be much easier to hire staff that already knows UE5

>>716103302 (OP)
Nothing went wrong

Fans have simply grown up and refuse to mpve on.

>>716103302 (OP)
The moment Nintendo and gamefreak sold out to dei and BlackRock
The moment they started shoving blacks into every pokemon commercial

>>716103302 (OP)
Gen 3 was already slop, having removed most features from gen 2 and I despised everyone who still clinged to this franchise. Crystal was the last good one.

>>716123171
>having removed most features from gen 2
Let's not pretend like gen 2's gimmicks were worth keeping

>>716123171
Sapphire Ruby was Good actually

>>716109272
>BW2 was top tier but BW1...
this, BW1 sucked balls, i played through it twice and hated it..
but BW2 was surprisingly the best PKMN game i had ever played.

HGSS was great too, second to BW2 only for it being gen4 not gen5

>>716103302 (OP)
Consumers were lenient with them, and instead of being grateful, the corporate side of Pokemon decided to take advantage of that good grace by tossing quality control out the window.

>>716106393
no Pokemon is a social game for people with friends, that's how they sell the game and make money, if all your friends have it, then you get it as well

incels ruin this business model

ideally they'd remove internet trades, and only trade over bluetooth or airdrops/NFC or something that requires close range

>>716103302 (OP)
3D & gen 6 was the downfall
Switch & gen 8 was the point of no return

Anything with mega evolutions is already slop, golden age ends with bw2

>>716127339

A 30 year manchild with nostalgia issues wrote this.

>>716103302 (OP)
The same answer as always: they got spooked by Shit-Kai Bitch, pivoted and cancelled the Z project, demolished the series and betrayed their entire fanbase with the hideous dumbed down "We want Shit-Kai Bitch's audience" sun/moon. The only people left after that vile pile of garbage were the braindead cultists who will accept literally anything, so the quality spiraled down even more from there. Don't forget that shitty westoid mobile game mindbreaking Masuda.

>>716103302 (OP)
When they realized their consumers were addict cattle who would literally buy shit if they packaged it right out of the toilet. So that's what they did.