>this is what /v/ says is the best indie of all time
? Its 2d pixelslop..?

retard

>>716123930 (OP)
you just started it, keep playing.
>>716124454
fpbp

Ah I see, good strategy.
I hate this game so much guys, it's so stupid and lame, haha

>>716124454
If this were the fp of every thread ever made, it would be bp every single time

>Video game has a metanarrative
>"the twist is... playing video game is le evil..."
I thought we've been past this shit since Spec Ops the Line was jerked off to completion.

>>716123930 (OP)
So let's solve this Enigma finally. Are you playing as Kris or is he an independant character? Is their gender non specified or actually canonically non binary?

>>716125891
>Are you playing as Kris or is he an independant character?
both
>gendershit
go back

>>716124483
>you just started it, keep playing.
>"you just started eating dogshit, keep eating :)"

>>716126519
>he doesn't know how to meme quote
kek newfag

>>716126165
but a niggers says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBCjY4nfIs&lc=UgyicEoWWJX3fpRLx3J4AaABAg.AKr20GFeS2JAKsMxogDHET

Maybe we should make threads were we openly hate Deltarune in the OP so the janny will leave the thread up.

>>716123930 (OP)
What the fuck did you say to me you little squirt
*shoves you*
Back the fuck off or I'll make you fucking asswipe. If you think you can just waltz into /v/ and disrespect rpgmaker devs like that you've got another thing coming.

>>716127561
>I'll make you fucking asswipe.
y-you're gonna make me wipe your ass!?!?

>>716127137
PLAY. THE. VIDYA. GAEM
stop listening to faggot e-celebs.
This board is such a shitter

imho, Toby should hire 9000 pajeets and remake Undertale with unreal engine 5

>>716125891
You are playing as Love

but Love can take possession of many bodies. right now he can only control Kris, but Susie and Noelle are starting to break under pressure from L.O.V.E.

>>716129230
Love is just the Red Soul's trait. It perfectly explains Undertale's plot and Frisk and Chara sharing the same soul color but being narrative opposites.

>>716123930 (OP)
eggs husband

>>716123930 (OP)
This has some of the best music I've ever heard
Legitimately Nobuo Uematsu tier
Maybe he should just stop making a game for 10 years and make music for other games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEdoMoV4D6k&list=PLwjEXrvFo-2B7iCX61eOThc_oGihi84l9

>>716133245
too busy composing music videos for vtubers, sorry

>>716133245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ03-aaO4sA

Nah, it works so well because he knows exactly what feeling he's trying to evoke. The feeling you get when this plays and the true ramifications of Ch3 and 4's endings are fresh in your mind is incredible.

>>716133245
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Fox#Works
He's already been doing that even before Chapter 1 came out.

>>716133245
The music he makes for other games is good too, but I think he puts a lot more effort into project he's personally involved in. And his games are amazing, so the two go hand in hand.

>>716123930 (OP)
I lasted about 20 mins before just giving up
Guess you need to be millenial stunted manchild to get it.

>>716123930 (OP)
>hear about popular pixel indie game
>go to steam or torrent page with screenshots of said popular pixel indie game
>purchase or pirate popular pixel indie game
>WTF PIXELSLOP???
Genuinely, what were you expecting?

>>716129071
>UE5 remake, uses the same RPGmaker sprites with some pointless post-processing, still somehow manages to run like complete shit
OR
>UE5 remake, completely overhauls the game into a different genre, bloats runtime massively with a bunch of padding so they can sell you each chapter as a new game. Susie's snout is reduced in size because the ethics department insisted on it, and some renegade activist on the team keeps slipping weird gendershit headcannon shit into the game

Choose.

>>716134989
First.

She is so beautiful

>>716134989
>some renegade activist on the team keeps slipping weird gendershit headcannon shit into the game
To be fair that part is already in the game it’s just that Toby’s stopping them with all the cut suselle sprites

>>716134989
I'll take a
>HIRE THIS MAN
type remake

>>716133245
I still can't believe they played Megalovania in front of the POPE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdxHJmDDA0

>>716124674
>the twist is... playing video game is le evil
if that's your takeaway from what deltarune is doing then you're actually retarded

Doe status?

It's telling the number of hoops Robert's fans have to go through to defend their inDEI slop.

>>716134989
Oh forgot to add to the second one
>And it still rums like shit

>>716135721
It will never stop being funny that Roberto's most well known song is probably forever going to be his shitty from-memory soundalike of the battle theme from a Megadrive RPG he liked that he made when he was like 15.

Whats especially funny is the original one is honestly better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6OmuzLcLA

>>716135721
>>716136353
Will Deltarune's version top it?
https://youtu.be/J0m7UC6Ld8w

>>716136524
Deltarune is going to have Megalo Strike Back for sure to avenge Penumbra Phantasm.

>>716123930 (OP)
>So I played Undertale/Deltarune... and it's le poop? I don't get it!
Why do these threads pop up so often?

>>716136736
Fake hate thread to trick the trannyjanny. Only works sometimes.

>>716136736
Because this is /v/.

I can't dodge the yellow arrows

So.... Who the fuck is The Roaring Knight?

>>716135824
Hymen intact.

>>716137091
Its both Dess and not Dess
Make that as you will

>>716137091
today i just watched a video the knight are Dess and Asriel in that body combined.

>>716137091
It's Kris's shadow.

>>716137091
Dess with Kris's SOUL absorbed.

Berdly would post Undertale/Deltarune hate threads on /v/

>>716137091
It's ___(You)___

>>716135824
Human Deer Hybrid growing steadily with a Human Soul

Toby's never had a single original idea in his whole life. I take back what i said, i actually do hate the stupid faggot AND the fanbase.

>>716137091
Vinesauce Joel, duh.

>>716137216
NOT FOR LONG

>>716137091
Most likely candidate has been narrowed down to 2 suspects, plus a wild card.
Suspect 1 - Dess:
>Evidence: Hasn't appeared all game, helmet has what looks like antlers, dissecting the Knight's sound effects reveal they're similar to Noelle's (and we even got a reconstructed textbox sound), the dark monster in the Sword Route's manhole dungeon has an alternate unused sprite resembling a black deer, and her sword resembles a baseball bat when initially summoned.
>Counter-evidence: Could also be the person missing in the code (if its messages reflect her current state rather than being flashbacks to when she first disappeared), and a 0-volume guitar sound plays when attempting to backtrack after Susie destroys the final prophecy coupled with Kris feeling a hand press against theirs.

Suspect 2 - Carol:
>Evidence: Has both a katana above her stove and a black-bladed sword in her bedroom, finding Dess could be her motivation to opening fountains to dark worlds she may have gone missing in (basically Ceroba but canon), comes home early after Kris informs his contact that Susie has Dess's guitar, and informs Kris that "YOU" (in red text) are welcome anytime, implying a partnership.
>Counter-evidence: Was at home with Noelle while Kris and Susie chase The Knight at the beginning of the Church Dark World; only one point, sure, but very damning against.

Wild Card - Papyrus:
>Evidence: Hasn't made a single physical appearance all game, his "trousle" of bones fades from Chapter 1 to Chapter 4, and his slender, skeletal build could fit the Knight's "armor".
>Counter-evidence: Hasn't made a physical appearance all game, and the Knight's actions would be EXTREMELY uncharacteristic for him, unless Kris inflicts some degree of mental regression upon him (which would be way out of left field for Toby).

>>716138547
why is the guitar hand press counter-evidence?

>>716134989
Latter. I love watching a good train wreck.

>>716124454
No he's right. It's just tumblrshit

>>716138547
For papyrus he's one of the few characters mentioned in the steam page
>Huh? Papyrus? No, he's busy. Sorry
The word 'busy' is very suspect, throughout the entire game he's locked himself in his house... but during the raining sequence after beating the fountain, its explicitly pointed out that his house is empty. So what the actual fuck is he doing that makes him 'busy' while his brother fucks the local slag milf???

>>716138664
That fact is a wild card on its own and I couldn't fit everything about it into that post.
>Could mean Dess and the Knight are separate, with the former comforting Kris from out of bounds after Susie and Ralsei's moment when the Knight left the dark world.
>Could also imply Dess's actions as the Knight are against her will, and (assuming she didn't vacate the church after summoning the Titan) returned to comfort Kris in solidarity.

>>716138976
Papyrus is Eggman.

>>716139017
I interpreted it as Dess blocking your backtracking. Which, if she's the Knight, is basically a way of saying "continue your mission, no turning back"

>>716139097
There's 6 eggs if you include his comment about holding your breath and counting backwards to 100

>>716138249
This is schizoboss number 5 btw.

>>716139250
Could be combined with either two, actually.

>>716139271
is that the overflow glitch?

>>716139330
>"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Schizo No. 5!"

>>716139097
Not impossible, but his specific absence in chapter 4 is what makes me go crazy. There's fucking conspiracy afloat with these skeleton brothers and I have no idea of the exact details.

>>716138270
How do lesbians break hymen?

Remember to donate to the proxy site so Jannies' work is harder.

>>716123930 (OP)
Meh, I like it

>>716139403
No idea what that is, but his "routine" are cryptic hints towards the other eggs' locations.
>On Thursday, he goes to sell the donuts (Near Chapter 1's bake sale which has donuts).
>On Friday, he tosses the leftovers in the dumpster (Near Chapter 2's dumpster near the tree graffiti).
>Chapter 3 is skipped since you're currently meeting him there.
>On Saturday, he lets it cool on the windowsill (Near Chapter 4's stained-glass window with the "ROOTS" prophecy).
>On Sunday, he harvests the wheat. (In Chapter 5, currently unknown).
>Hold your breath, head to the left, and count backwards to 100. (Could be Chapter 6 or Chapter 7, currently unknown for now).

Every egg is going to be a buff againast a boss at some point. Look forward to tryhards restarting the entire game to actually beat him.

>>716139686
overflow glitch is something in ch2 involving the 400 cd options when talking to k_k
i forget the specifics but it lets you glitch into the unopened warp door and activates a text glitch that has all the dialogue in the chapter, including the egg and the thorn ring
if done correctly you can get two eggs and the thorn ring on the normal route, one normally and one from the glitch
interestingly enough toby hasn't patched this after 3 years, apparently for speedrunning purposes but who really knows

Imagine for a moment if the Weird Route would be discovered right now. How would people react?

>>716139929
Toby won't have the true ending being behind a hard to pull off glitch.

Berdley mom

>>716140114
I doubt Toby would include anything from Undertale Yellow, but I really want him to add the sexy fox mom.

Story always ends with the world being fine and live going on, but what changes is who lives and dies. Normal ending has Kris sacrifice himself. Weird route gives you a choice to either sacrifice Noelle or Susie. And the best ending has nobody die but the Dark world is closed off forever.

>>716138547
>the dark monster in the Sword Route's manhole dungeon has an alternate unused sprite resembling a black deer
Though if you're acknowledging that you're then acknowledging the possibility of the knight being kris's stand (what with the implication that it's Kris's shadow in how it copies his movements) which opens up the explanation that a lot of the Dess references is due to Kris looking up to her and making his stand resemble her.

>>716140339
Brainlet. The true ending is going to be you going back in time and undoing the dess disappearance. Then cue back chapter 1 time

>>716139437
I'm not sure how hot of a take this is but I think the eggman is grandpa semi and that papyrus will get another boss fight in deltarune where he's working for the knight similar to how Kris is working for them
>>716139454
I broke someone hymen by kicking them in the crotch when I was a kid, so I assume that is how

>>716140114
aunt*

>>716140472
Doubt the game will end with you being stuck in a eternal time loop.

>>716140472
True ending is just going to be Jojo's part 6 finale. Ralsei will be the last standing

>>716140475
>that papyrus will get another boss fight in deltarune
I feel like this is sorta confirmed, a lot of this game is toby making the cool fights he didn't have time for in undertale. Giving us a proper Papyrus fight where he's serious would fit that mold

Come up with a Premise for a Undertale/Deltarune fangame:

>Prequel about Chara having a adventure in the underground after not killing himself.
>Sequel to one of the Neutral endings.
>Monster Girl Quest esque porn parody of Undertale.
>Story about a monster falling into a underground inhabited by humans.
>Deltarune side story about a monster human hybrid living in New York and trying to stop people from creating dark worlds.

>>716140605
that would mean we finally get to fight Alphys
that's not happening

>>716139694
They're referred to as "issues" according to the Playstation versions' trophies, and are required to avoid getting the chapter completion trophies to trigger exclusive dialogue from Gaster, questioning what you are. These things have got to be glitches in the universe for something. Now that I'm thinking about it as I'm typing this, it almost reminds me of Black Ops 2 Zombies' super Easter Egg endings with the Navcard tables with how we place the eggs in Hometown.
>Tranzit, Die Rise, and Buried have two different routes for their main Easter Eggs - one favoring Richtofen and one favoring Maxis.
>Each one ends in creating pylons to empower either of them.
>Then they must be linked to each other by building Navcard tables, finding the extremely hidden Navcards, and placing them in the succeeding map's table (Tranzit's card in Die Rise's table, Die Rise's card in Buried's table, and Buried's card in Tranzit's table through replaying the maps).
>Finishing all Easter eggs in one character's favor and linking them through Navcards unlocks one of two different super Easter Egg endings.
>Maxis's (canon) ending starts the process of destroying the entire world to find his missing daughter, Samantha, who's trapped in Agartha; forcing her to flee to an alternate dimension's Maxis to continue the storyline in Origins.
>Richtofen's (non-canon) ending gives him total control over the entire universe, dooms Maxis and Samantha, and various rewards to the surviving crew.

>>716140717
>that would mean we finally get to fight Alphys
You are deliberately forced to interact with Alphys in chapter 4. Keep that in mind.

>>716140694
>>Monster Girl Quest esque porn parody of Undertale.
This one, you play as a human simply named "Shota", who fell into a sealed-off segment of the underground populated solely by female monsters who got sealed there because they couldn't keep their horniness in check. Yes it's meant to be an ironic thing regarding the fate of monsters as a whole.

>>716140605
Yep. We need to see his special attack.

>>716140723

>>716129071
post the REAL version

>>716124454
FIRST POST
BEST POST

>>716141058
Kris and Noelle would never work since you know Noelle would be the type of girl to act really affectionate in public and Kris is too much of a Tsundere to ever accept that.

>>716123930 (OP)
the best indie of all time is cave story but you also won't like it because it's 2d "pixelslop"

>>716141058
cute

>Asriel switched from Yoshi to a wizard girl(Robin) in Smash Bros.
>Robin is the Fire Emblem equivalent antichrist who is destined to become possessed by a dragon in the future and destroy the world.
More Dess Knight foreshadowing?

>>716138893
trying too hard to fit in old man

>>716141454
Why do people say female Robin and not Pyra?

>>716141581
Does Pyra really count as a Wizard? She's more of a Sci Fi sword girl.

The only real wizard girls I can think of are Robin and Zelda. Zelda might be evidence for Carol Knight considering both have a try hard weeb alter ego.

>>716141720
Did Tenna really say wizard? I don't remember that, I thought the option was Sword Girl

>>716140605
I've been thinking this ever since chapter 2 came out that we'll at the very least get a papyrus-esque if not an outright papyrus fight in deltarune. My suspicions for it only grew more in these new chapters with stuff like gerson coming back, reverse undertale theory getting more evidence, the goner maker name list and the lack of Papyrus in game so far, I'm thinking he'll show up in chapter 5 due to Sans importance to that chapter with the whole situation between him, Asgore and Toriel. Sans did say his brother would show up around the time of the festival and like you said, it would fit the mold for Papyrus to finally get a serious fight with his special attack, my bet is he'll show up in chapter 5, 6 at the latest.

>>716141787
The exact name was Sword Magician. Which pretty perfectly matches Robin. Zelda doesn't use a sword and I don't think Pyra uses magic.

>>716125891
>Are you playing as Kris or is he an independant character?
You play as the soul, who is (You), who controls Kris. So it's both
Unlike Frisk, Kris is his own character and will try to resist some choices based on character's reactions
>Is their gender non specified or actually canonically non binary?
Obviously the former since Toby never actually confirmed the latter
Also Kris is written like a male based how he dresses and how others treat him (notably Burgerpants and Spmaton)

>>716139437
My issue with Papyrus being the Knight theory is that it really goes against his character. Do you really think the guy who tries to give you spaghetti and is the only character who doesn't kill you, would be the same one who tries to kill Tenna and the fun gang?

>>716141720
>>716141787
It's "sword magician" (including in Japanese, "sword magician" in katakana) and Tenna calls her a "fiery magician girl." Though the Japanese says "girl who can use fire magic" and not "mahou shoujo."

>>716142225
Does Pyra use Fire magic? I honestly don't think I played against her enough to remember.

>>716140694
just a fangame where you go on adventures with monster gf is enough to me, meta and angst are optional

>>716142223
>My issue with Papyrus being the Knight theory is that it really goes against his character.
I don't think this really applies in Deltarune's case, we've been shown that Undertale characters can be different, if not worse people with their Deltarune counterparts. Sans is a obvious example since he's a fucking ASS since chapter 1 and it only gets worse.

>>716142223
literally everyone calls kris they though, kris is obviously meant to be the inverse of a self insert blank character so them being non-binary makes perfect sense to serve that goal.

>>716142371
I want to make something like that, but it's a Touhou fangame based on Deltarune.

Kris being non-binary is going to be a plot point when it's revealed she was AFAB and decided being The Cage was better than being The Girl in the Prophecy.

>>716142405
>Assumes Sans wasn't always a piece of shit

>>716142580
>touhou
I may be desperate but not THAT desperate

looks like rpgm asset flip

>>716142705
I mostly want to do it because I want to not hate Touhou despite my growing dislike of it.

Otherwise, not sure what would work for a Monster Fucker game. I guess my New York idea?

>>716142152
I thought Pyra used fire magic.

>>716142223
>Unlike Frisk, Kris is his own character and will try to resist some choices based on character's reactions
Frisk was also her own character. The equivalent of the SOUL in Undertale was Chara, the character that you name and that represents your desire to grind.

>>716135824
>DEFLOWERED
>KEKED
>HUSSIED

>>716143043
I don't know. I also don't know anything about her backstory.

I also somewhat doubt Toriel would buy DLC for a Switch game.

>>716142405
Sans is an ass in Deltarune because you're on the PoV of a character Sans seems to dislike. Reminder that he genuinely wants to be friends with Frisk, unlike with Kris.

*Noelle became stronger.

>>716143249
>Frisk
>Good Kid Toriel asked to look after.
>Kris
>Weird prankster that still lives with the women you want to date.

>>716143183
She uses fire according to the wiki, more than Robin which is only one move iirc.
https://www.ssbwiki.com/Pyra_(SSBU)

>>716142405
>we've been shown that Undertale characters can be different
But that's pretty extreme. the most innocent character becomes the most psychotic one is really odd
>Sans is a obvious example since he's a fucking ASS since chapter 1 and it only gets worse.
Sans acting like an asshole isn't that surprising because of couple of things in Undertale
>thought acting nice would please the "anomaly"
>didn't kill you because of promise to Toriel
Papyrus not being around and not worrying about any kind of anomaly showed Sans' true colors

>>716142459
>literally everyone calls kris they though
half of them are mentally ill
the other half only do so they don't get lynched by the mentally ill
>non-binary
made up tumblr term because being a faggot isn't special enough
Kris is an ambiguous gender, so you can imagine him as male or female, same with Frisk and Chara

>>716143384
Then it might be her.

No clue about her backstory, so I don't know what if anything it supports.

Everything Spamton does seems to foreshadow something, but I haven't seen anyone talk about how what he does in Weird Route might tell us about how it's gonna end
>Helps further Noelle's carnage so he can make the mansion his own and [Becomed] NEO
>Doesn't seem to even give a shit about trying to reach HEAVEN like the regular route, just wants to lord over the city
>Gets to live big for all of 20 minutes tops before you fuck him over at the good part
>Probably would have won if it weren't for Noelle, who he assisted in making her a killing machine
Noelle's gonna kill us and if it's not her it's some other consequence of our fuckery.

>>716143249
Actually, he threatens to kill you and tries to fuck your mother on a clean save true pacifist run. So no. Dude's an asshole in every situation.

>>716143414
everyone as in, ingame, and why would toby make kris's gender ambigious? kris is their own person.

>>716143452
Noelle is going to murder Kris.

>>716143142
The equivalent of the soul in Undertale was the soul. So far there is no Chara equivalent in Deltarune, unless we get a late game reveal to that effect, but even Undertale had a bit of foreshadowing that the Fallen Child and the human you're controlling were different people on the neutral routes.

>>716135824
Doe is moe

Do (You) love catty?

https://litter.catbox.moe/98lngq2trmw66mqi.mp4

>>716143452
>Noelle's gonna kill us and if it's not her it's some other consequence of our fuckery.
You were used up

>>716143649
>and why would toby make kris's gender ambigious?
Serious answer? To make him as broadly relatable as possible.
Actual answer? To get away with making Krusie canon

>>716143743
Why did Toby introduce this character shortly after the Knight killed Tenna? We have too many of them.

>>716124454
When the fippy is bippy

>>716143772
why though? a huge facet of the game is that kris is their own person, with their own interests and thoughts and identity, toby fox is obviously cool with queer people so it makes perfect sense for kris to be nonbinary, toby and every character in the game calls kris by they/them pronouns

>>716138249
>take all the fun ideas and put them together
>end up with a great game
It's that easy. And yet nobody but him can do it.

Why is the fanbase for this game so fucking gay and autistic?

> I think you should kill yourself, Spamton.

There was already an attempt to fulfill the Prophecy in the previous generation. Carol went through Snowgrave route and Catty's dad lost his arm as the result. Unfortunately, Rudy pussied out at the last moment and aborted it, so now it's up to his daughter to finish what they started.

>>716144006
cause of me, sorry :(

>>716143704
How long would each girl and Kris last as a Madoka Magical girl?

>>716143869
As I said - you're not supposed to self-insert, but you're supposed to be able to relate to him.

>>716143256
I'll be totally honest, if Noelle made one those faces but just for a single frame before snapping back to normal, I'd shit brix

>>716144142
why?

>>716144145

>>716138249
Wait until you hear about the people he took his inspirations from

You should be able to solve this.

>>716144232
>when she sees your BHC

>this thread was pruned or deleted

>>716144317
>YMCK
hey i love that band

>>716144168
because characters being relatable usually makes people like them more

>>716143660
>Icing Berdly is enough of a distraction to let Spamton get the NEO body he so desired
>Killing Kris means we'd have to get a new cage
WEIRD ROUTE NEO REPRESENTS (YOU) USING THE VESSEL

>>716144380
autistic people have a lot of trouble with this, and they love to complain, so there's been a massive rise in seething on /v/ about self-inserting, representation, etc.

>>716144073
What if... Every hundred years, a human soul and a monster girl has to be sacrificed to maintain the barrier between dark and light. Rudy tried to make it Carol, but couldn't bring himself to go through with snowgrave. Right now it looks to be Dess, but Carol and Kris are working together to sacrifice Sussie.

Unfortunately: Just like with Rudy and Carol, it's going to be ruined by love once again.

>>716144252
>Play PC98 games
>most of the cast are literally just SMT or Puyo Puyo characters.

>>716144380
I can’t relate to having divorced parents

>>716144168
Because he's a troubled teenager. He feels like a outsider living in town of monsters, mirroring the way most playing Deltarune (Especially as teenagers) probably feel.

>>716144645
Smashing together SMT's "this represents the literal thoughts people are having" concept with Puyo's "ah, it's fine, they'll just beat the shit out of each other and then everything will go back to normal" storytelling was, all told, pretty novel.

>>716123930 (OP)
you have to be gay, autistic, and annoying to like it

>>716144565
I don't think prophecy is cyclical, it's just deadline may be growing closer so it's the last chance to do it.
>Carol and Kris are working together to sacrifice Sussie
I don't think so, Knight was trying to drag Noelle back into prophecy, possibly even two times already. No, Susie is a complete wild card, she either blundered into it by accident or it was Gaster's machinations.

>>716144693
Can you relate to being a outsider? To wanting to escape to a magical world away from real world troubles? To not being able to deal with people moving on in their life and leaving you behind?

>>716144787
that's a cute ass queen

>>716144787
you know it never clicked before now just how much she resembles frieza

>>716144693
Fortunately, he has so much trauma in his life that most people can find something to relate to. Like, I can't relate to his mother being a whore, but I can relate to his mother being an alcoholic.

>>716137091
It's Kris
Blue Kris is not Kris

>>716125891
everyone in universe calls them they/them
idk why you fags make this so hard

>>716143452
>Doesn't seem to even give a shit about trying to reach HEAVEN like the regular route, just wants to lord over the city
It always seemed notable to me that he only mentions HEAVEN and strings after becoming NEO and getting the Shadow Crystal. His original motivation seemed to be just to get all his money and fame back.
But at the same time he does know about (and compares himself to) Jevil before becoming NEO, which means he has to at least be aware of Shadow Crystal related shit.

>>716144746
It's interesting, though it kind of falls apart outside the games mostly because ZUN can't write likeable characters to save his life.

Honestly, I feel Deltarune does way better job making those two elements work.

>>716144787
AY I GOT A GLOCK IN MY RARI
AY SEVENTEEN SHOTS NO THIRTY-EIGHT

>>716137091
Anyone who thinks it’s Dess is WRONG. It’s fucking RUDY

>>716144773
True, and Kris does seem to be working with the Knight. Then again, Kris does seem interested in largely keeping Noelle out of things. Or at least to keep her from being too harmed by everything going on.

Actually the knight is assriel

>>716145180
How could Rudy do that when he's dying of AIDS after getting pozzed by Asgore?

>>716143909
It's not just the ideas, it's the execution, which matters the most
The shadow mantle quest is literally your typical early 2010s creepypasta, but it's executed so well it doesn't come off like that but as its own thing

That's why so many people say how certain games and other media has good ideas but bad executions

>>716144915
Found my previous messages on discord elaborating on this:
In Deltarune, seeing as the knight replicates several Kris poses and motions, that we have already witnessed Kris opening a dark fountain, and that we still don't know why Kris is blue in the dark world.
Is Kris really Kris in the dark world?
We haven't even witnessed Kris ripping out the soul or forcefully taking action against the soul in a dark world yet have we? It's always been Susie acting wild in dark worlds.
Kris could have easily created the school dark world.
Had a window to open the library dark world as seen with the ch1 end scene, he could have eaten the pie after the fact, ch3 need no mention, the only one Kris could absolutely not have opened is the ch4 fountain.
And we already know Kris has an accomplice, who is most likely Carol, and one of the prime candidates for opening the church fountain, as a matter of fact she already knew about the church fountain as she tells Kris about it on the phone, probably because she opened it herself, but she may not be the knight, just its partner.
More: The knight doesn't talk, at least not on screen, like Kris.
The Knight's core seems surrounded by a cage.

>>716145042
He also alludes to "communion" with "unintelligible laughter" and knows something about the Knight, so I think he was already in that alley, but that rush of power from the NEO body and it still not being enough to free him was probably fucking his brain up even worse.

Kris would say the N-word.

>>716143541
>Threatens to kill you
Versus every monster that actually tries to kill Frisk? Undyne and Asgore even lampshade this during the pacifist epilogue.
>tries to fuck your mother on a clean save true pacifist run.
Frisk literally calls Toriel mom AND flirts with her. I don't think she minds it.
>>716143672
The SOUL in Undertale was just Frisk's. There's a reason why everything in the UI has Chara's name, and when Flowey talks to (You), he uses Chara's name (Keep in mind the SOUL is with Frisk at that moment, too).

>>716145280
How would you make this line less akward

>Things gotten a bit weird around here.

>>716145202
Kris HAS to work with the Knight, but he does runs his own scheme. Ralsei convinced him to try and change prophecy with Susie's help in chapter 1, that's what they've been talking about while (You) were watching her beat up that baby.

>>716145086
I don't think Deltarune is the same kind of thing at all. Touhou's mood sort of works because the characters would fight regardless of why they're here, if you had a "well we were all ready to fight so let's just fight" moment in DR it'd feel completely different.

>>716145380
Could make sense.

Does that mean Carol is willing to sacrifice her daughter?

>>716145362
It doesn't matter whose soul it was, the soul in both games represents our connection to the game world and the decisions we make.

>>716145341
>communion with unintelligible laughter
>it's not the Knight since he can say the word Knight just fine
>laughter
It's always that fucking retarded cat I see it everywhere

I think it's disgusting how much fandom power this game runs on. It's just an okay game, don't get me wrong, but the attention it gets is ridiculous, moreso than actual big games. Literally hundreds of thousands of views within a few days and that's just for fan videos, as well as millions of views on the soundtracks and don't get me started on the E6 tag counts. Other indie games would kill for that kind of attention. Does Toby actually deserve his fame compared to other indie devs?

>>716145404
I somewhat agree. Even if the characters do have a pretty lax attitude to fights to the death most of the time. Nobody holds Queen or Tenma responsible for almost murdering you. It's not as casual as Touhou though, closest it ever gets is Roulx and that's mostly because nobody in universe views him as a threat.

Like I said, my main issue with Touhou is that, unlike Puyo Puyo and to a lesser extent SMT, I just don't care what happens to these people when things get seriously.

>>716145660
No recent "big game" is worth paying attention to

>>716145374
Why would change it?
It's fine the way it is
I feel like this is Toby's way of saying "weird route" is the official name instead of "snowgrave"

>>716145480
No wonder Kris works for the knight

>>716145596
>That fucking cat that I hate

>>716145660
>Does Toby actually deserve his fame compared to other indie devs?
Probably not? Indie market is very cutthroat, and Toby has build up a big fanbase even before making Undertale. Then again, you could argue that only justifies his popularity from a purely meritocratic perspective.

Like, there are probably a lot of REALLY good Indie games that deserve similar kind of attention but we won't ever hear about. That's more of a issue with the game industry than Deltarune being popular.

All the text about wind blowing in the knight fight made me think of another I want to say jrpg fight that was very descriptive on howling dramatic wind but I can't figure out what it is, I don't think I'm thinking of the Magus fight from chrono trigger
The masked man in M3 fight has wind howling in the music but it's not that focused on

>>716145660
Last "big" game worthy of any discussion was bg3 lmao

>>716145562
Again, if that was the case, the SOUL would've been present when we make every choice, like in Deltarune. The SOUL is on the menu, on the GONERMAKER, it'severywhere. Yet, it's decidedly not there when choosing to RESET, or when choosing to ERASE in Undertale, but "Chara" is. We're not connect to the SOUL, but to Chara in Undertale.

Hot take
What we THOUGHT was the weird route was way cooler than what the weird route actually is
Deltarune having no geno equivalent is one of the many reasons it will never surpass undertale

>>716145471
I don't think that Noelle is supposed to be sacrificed, but Kris does. He agreed to this because he's suicidal.

>>716145684
>Nobody holds Queen or Tenma responsible for almost murdering you.
I think it would feel hamfisted to try. People are comically eager to kill video game characters who happen to have been antagonists. I'm used to correcting very hard in the opposite direction, I find games like Touhou where nobody raves about how the final boss should be executed or in prison for life refreshing.
>but they tried to KILL you!
Just the format of a video game. I won, so it's fine.
>I just don't care what happens to these people when things get seriously.
Nothing's gonna get serious, it's Touhou, you're not supposed to be gripped by the serious narrative, you're supposed to follow along with whatever wild bullshit is going on this time in Gensokyo.

>>716143256
if she's so strong then why is she dying

>>716146001
If that were true then Chara wouldn't need OUR soul, it would need Frisk's soul. We are the ones responsible for signing that over, not Frisk.

>>716146009
i dunno, doe rape is pretty cool
although, what is "what we THOUGHT was the weird route"? you mean shit like getting toriel to burn tenna to a krisp or whatever? or do you mean the current post-ch3/4 theorizing?

>>716145660
>Does Toby actually deserve his fame compared to other indie devs?
Why wouldn't he?
He worked his ass off on Undertale despite supposedly being a test game to see if he can make a full fledged game like Deltarune
The fact he was still able to maintain his fame and please his fans without quality of his work goes to shit after nearly a decade is pretty impressive
Compare to this FNAF, where the series lost identity and the gameplay of the latest game is nothing like the earlier titles

>>716145596
why the hell does nobody acknowledge the fact this specific sprite of friend is called HIS_FRIEND in the files? fucker is obviously connected to gaster through this alone

>>716146009
Firegrave..............................

>>716146009
Snowgrave when it actually differs from the main routes is more interesting than genocide. The fact that it's identical so much of the time is by far the biggest disappointment with Chapters 3 and 4.

https://youtu.be/wbO3p7_Mf30?si=X6REPWyInRRA3fJb
https://youtu.be/ve7TB0FggaY?si=pDLeVpb1buqXI1f0
so is asriel secretly john egbert

>>716146117
>I don't think that Noelle is supposed to be sacrificed, but Kris does.
He seems to disagree in the weird route.

>>716146191
But we're selling Frisk's SOUL. That's why Chara takes over Frisk in pacifist. Chara doesn't NEED the SOUL, they just want it as a bargaining chip. Probably so they can freeroam in the surface inside Frisk. We aren't sealing our SOUL to Chara.

>>716146009
Chapter 3 snowgrave is a disappointment, but genocide is one of the most overrated loads of boring dogshit ever hyped up.

>>716146307
>Snowgrave when it actually differs from the main routes is more interesting than genocide
Absolutely.
Chapter 2 Snowgrave was set up to btfo UT's genoroute.
Then chapter 3 + chapter 4 gave us next to no content besides a censored scene, and going by the ARG, chapter 5's is going to be shorter than chapter 2/SWORD routes
Toby had solid gold and ruined it

>>716146156
>think it would feel hamfisted to try.
I agree.

> I find games like Touhou where nobody raves about how the final boss should be executed or in prison for life refreshing.
That though is harder for me because nothing would please me more than watching 99% of Touhou characters die in agony. They are all awful horrible people and the world would be objectively better place without them.

>you're supposed to follow along with whatever wild bullshit is going on this time in Gensokyo.
I agree. Which works for the games, but not the manga.

People really want to think Deltarune will be subversive as fuck but so far it has been really straight forward, I mean the whole existence alone of Gerson The hammer of justice in a game with a fanbase like this one is both a novelty and an anomaly because his role played completely straight no strings attached whatsoever. It's why every single prediction and theory for Chapter 3 were proven wrong and if it the chapter was released alone the ending would had guaranteed the same thing to happen but to a even worse degree.

>>716145660
>Does Toby actually deserve his fame compared to other indie devs?
IMO no, but he did something most games fail to do which was give people character that resonate with them
Though I do think Toby making the UT pacifist ending so saccharine corrupted the fandom and now everyone must be friends and everyone is secretly good deep inside, so much that Kris actually being evil is just an inconceivable concept to some people.

>>716146009
I was always saying that the weird route would be Noelle centric since chapter 2 came out, only fools would delude themselves into thinking "we are totally gonna get new classmates every chapter and we will CORRUPT all of them to kill each other! Why? idk lmao".

>>716146219
>you mean shit like getting toriel to burn tenna to a krisp or whatever?
Honestly anyone with a brain could see Snowgrave was going to be all about Noelle. Hell anyone with a brain could foresee the game downplaying Toriel's involvement in the chapter as much as it did.

>>716146363
>But we're
Exactly. WE. Not Frisk. Frisk does not have authority or control over it. We do. It's ours. Frisk is just a sacrifice to be used up. But whether that sacrifice happens is our decision, because we're the ones in control.

>>716145660
yes
next stupid question

>>716146009
>What we THOUGHT was the weird route was way cooler than what the weird route actually is
I dunno mang, I always argued that Toriel was never going to be a playable party member ever

>>716146413
>genocide is one of the most overrated loads of boring dogshit ever hyped up
character writing when a character is truly pushed inside of an extreme situation is actually some of toby's best writing

>>716146307
True. Main problem is that Snowgrave is:
>100% identical in Chapter 1
>50% identical in Chapter 2.
>99% identical in Chapter 3.
>80% identical in Chapter 4.
Meanwhile genocide is completely unique the moment you step out of the RUINs.

>>716145660
>but the attention it gets is ridiculous, moreso than actual big games
have you considered that its because the recent big games arent even remotely enjoyable while deltarune is?

>>716146671
>pic
Honestly I think people forget how hard Genocide is carried by the skelebros, Undyne is ultra overshadowed and nobody really cares about the Ruins or Hotland/CORE portions

>>716146535
>>716146469
>it HAD to be toriel
Anything and anyone would've been better than getting literally NOTHING for chapter 3 and a 5 minute sequence for chapter 4. A full length Nubert route would've been better than whatever the fuck Toby gave us.

>>716146009
>What we THOUGHT was the weird route was
90% of Chapter 2 era "takes" on later chapters were just the same shit as Chapter 2 but with a different coat of paint, not even just Weird Route. It sucked ass and I'm glad Chapter 3 completely demolished that.
Still better than the Chapter 1 era takes somehow.

Kris is FUCKING non-binary. THEIR PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM. RESPECT THEIR FUCKING PRONOUNS

>>716146671
That and corrupted Chara is really all it has going for.

>>716146453
>nothing would please me more than watching 99% of Touhou characters die in agony
I cannot begin to fathom the mindset of people who feel like this about fictional characters. They're just there. You're not supposed to dislike someone just because they're amoral, are you?
And about Touhou in particular? They're "bad people" in such a clinical, externally informed way that it almost seems silly to label them as such. The only characters I feel that kind of anger towards are like, hypothetical lunarian politicians.

>>716141618
Toriel's face gets me every time

>>716146456
>It's why every single prediction and theory for Chapter 3 were proven wrong
Plenty of people predicted Toriel's lack of involvement
Pretty much ever "fan Tenna" guessed the general direction the character was going to be, only being BTFO'd by Toby's decision to break artstyle for him.
Basically everyone knew what TV World was going to be like, the main surprise being the "game within a game" stuff.

genocide is "unique" but also sucks ass and the ending is toby's most hamfisted fuckup ever
Weird Route is vastly more interesting to actually play and discover, has way more interesting things to say than just "LOL WHAT UF GRINDING WAS TAKEN SERIOUSLY WOULDN'T THAT BE FUCKED UP", and when you factor in how the game seems to be directly implying that it'll be intended progression at some point genocide doesn't even fucking come close

>>716146756
>Undyne is ultra overshadowed
she served her purpose as the real final boss
sans is a guy who isnt even supposed to be there (which makes it kino)

>Autosage
Anyway, this conversation is funny to me because people really think that Toby is some Scott Cawthon-tier epic subversion man who does bizarre fandom rugpulls out the ass, but the fact that Chapter 3 is still structured the way it is, i.e. the fact that:
>You're meant to find out Snowgrave is a thing via Chapter 3
>Then you backtrack to Chapter 2 to see what happens
Means that even after the huge hiatus Toby is still sticking to his guns regarding how the narrative is supposed to be structured, but most people wouldn't think about this because they datamined Snowgrave within days

>>716146519
Just because we are the ones who choose, doesn't mean it's our SOUL. Just because we can control Kris and choose his dialogue doesn't mean we are him, for example. Being able to choose what happens to a character doesn't mean we're it. In fact, Chara getting the SOUL only allowing them to take over Frisk, but not actually interfering with our control over the game (we can still RESET after soulless pacifist) clearly proves we aren't connected to the SOUL at all.

>>716146840

okay, I will respect his pronounce

>>716146413
The sans right alone is worth the hype

>>716146912
>because they datamined Snowgrave within days
wasn't snowgrave discovered (on here at least) naturally?

>>716146840
He is a bitch so no, fucker is working for the knight and is lying to Susie so he can go die, if I don't like someone then screw your pronouns

>>716146679
Yeah but then genocide becomes a shit load of grinding due to Toby's "I made it boring, ON PURPOSE" bullshit.

>>716142405
Sans was a real nigger even in UT
He threatens to kill you even if you have been the best guy in the world, and waits until the very end to tell you about LOVE and EXP even if he always knew and cound have prevented countless deaths just by letting you know.

>>716146925
>Chara getting the soul after our connection is over but not interfering when we're connected proves we're not connected to the soul
I'm sure this made sense in your head, somehow.

>>716146903
>Pretty much ever "fan Tenna" guessed the general direction the character was going to be
not really, most people believed spamton and though tenna would be evil/sleazy and that comment toby said of a playtester saying "I miss tenna" that he would be killed due to being actually evil (instead of being given away)
and of course everyone was "tenna being a tv head man is too obvious/uncreative and toby wont do it", sure no one predicted him to be 3D but the general designs the fandom came up with were trying to avoid making him a literal TV because of the other darkner designs, which mind you, toby did NOT do and were instead done by guest artists

the weird route was an afterthought, toby realized he can't sell his game on yurishit alone, and the gastershit was leading to nowhere

>>716146905
>Weird Route is vastly more interesting to actually play and discover
You would be correct if we fucking had one in Chapter 3 and had one longer than five minutes in Chapter 4. Nobody is saying Geno > Weird route in terms of writing, it is obvious Toby has improved magnitudes since undertale.
The thing is, he just didn't fucking try in these latest two chapters. It's so fucking minimal that people stop playing immediately after the Noelle house scene because there's SO LITTLE ELSE to see. The scope of it was way, way smaller than what we expected, and it is frontloaded as fuck.

>>716147002
It was, I remember being freaked out by it at first due to how out of the way it was from undertale genocide route so it wasn't believed to be real at first

>>716146840

>>716147079
Our connection isn't over when Chara gets the SOUL, that's the point. We can still LOAD the game back and RESET. Chara doesn't actually do anything to stop us, because we aren't connected to the SOUL at all. It's just Frisk's SOUL. Actually read before being cheeky.

>>716146912
If anything, I think Chapter 4 is the real outlier, cause Chapter 1 was trying to do the "your choices don't matter" (that isn't meant to be 100% true guys, come on), so Chapter 4 having very little changes is kind of weird but I think what we did get was still pretty significant

>>716146840
reminder anyone saying kris is NB is also enforcing their headcanon onto kris, but using the shield of being a "protected" class to push their agenda
the correct is kris is gender unknown/irrelevant

>>716147150
I agree on it being an extra, I think toby did want to make a single ending to the game at first, but after getting a team he increased the scope, its why the recruit system was added later in chapter 2 and he changed the one ending to "one ending?"

>>716139097
Papyrus is the angel of prophecy.
>Toby redacted Grandpa Semi because the idea of there being a semi (serif) in addition to Sans (serif) would give away that Papyrus actually fills the role of full serif
>Serif = Seraph

>>716146840
he lost his pronoun privileges when he double crossed on us, he will get them back when the knight is defeated

>>716147189
What would Weird Route have even been in Ch3, dumbass? Weird Route is clearly focused on Noelle, and Noelle's not in 3. It's not about killing enemies.

>>716146912
Snowgrave was discovered naturally. The process of finding it was deliberately crafted to resemble finding a glitch in an older game. I thought it was well done, I was surprised at how hard the Mantle game beat you over the head with its hint.

>>716147217
>We can do things with the soul, therefore that proves we're not connected to the soul
Sorry anon, you're just repeating the same thing.

>>716147069
>>716142651
saying sans is an asshole in UT because he threatens you instantly outs you as some sort of asgorefag

every other monster tries to KILL you, actively. even papyrus beats you near to death before stopping.
sans cannot kill you no matter what he does on pacifist routes or even neutral routes. he is objectively a way better guy than most monsters.

>>716147251
>Papyrus is full Serif
>Serif sounds like sheriff
>Papyrus will be the sheriff in asgore cowboy show

>>716147189
the weird route actually has a goal in mind instead of "evil for the sake of evil" like the geno route in UT, we just don't know what this goal is yet (spamton says its freedom but thats still too vague)

>>716147379
Because you didn't refute it. Deltarune clearly shows we using the SOUL for everything. Undertale does the opposite. Therefore, we aren't connected to it. It's that simple.

>>716146868
>I cannot begin to fathom the mindset of people who feel like this about fictional characters.
It's generally seen as satisfying to kill or defeat evil people. Especially people that are truly 100% beyond redemption.

> You're not supposed to dislike someone just because they're amoral, are you?
No, but I dislike them because they are horrendous sociopathic mass murdering monsters that act like petulant teenage brats. Ignore the fact that they look like cute girls and act quirky, your average Touhou character is as pleasant as Freddy Kruger.

>They're "bad people" in such a clinical, externally informed way that it almost seems silly to label them as such.
Most of them are complete sociopaths with zero regard for any life other than their own. It might mostly be descriptions, but most Youkai are genetically predisposed towards complete sociopathy and little in the games or manga implies many of them can overcome that.

I don't mind it as much in the games. But it does become a huge issue in the manga where everybody is just a unpleasant piece of shit and the only sympathetic people are random human villager mobs.

>>716147116
>most people believed spamton and thought tenna would be evil/sleazy
Most people just expected the mettaton shtick again. But generally a lot more likeable because there was an element on how Tenna felt neglected compared to how Mettaton was just this big shot.
>and of course everyone was "tenna being a tv head man is too obvious/uncreative and toby wont do it",
And yet half the fan tennas had a tv head.

>>716147379
>>716147506
The point is that we DON’T do things with the SOUL in Undertale. If you can show any part of Deltarune that we don't use the SOUL, than I would concede.

>>716147328
>What would Weird Route have even been in Ch3
...is what Toby asked himself, and chose to write NOTHING in response.

HE set up Chapter 3 and couldn't set up what he had in mind for the weird route inside of it. Him actively choosing "ok so theres nothing in chapter 3 and its like 5 minutes in chapter 4" isn't some unavoidable destiny that he had to carry out. He chose to do it, and it was a huge mistake.

>>716146912
also bear in mind that Toby's OG plan was that chapters 2-5 were all supposed to release together, I think the lack of weird route content is 3-4 is exacerbated by the staggered release that was so bad that he needed to hire a producer to unfuck their shit

>>716147328
I could have seen it more about the player and Kris being in active conflict. Then again, we don't know why Kris opened a dark fountain in the first place.

>>716147465
The goal of genocide in UT is to see new content.
>yeah that's the player's goal but what about
That is the goal.

>>716147506
>We are the ones who have control over the Soul's fate
>We are the ones who choose whether to reset
>Chara doesn't have control until our game is over
>therefore we're not connected
Can't refute something that doesn't make sense to begin wtih.

>>716147465
>the weird route actually has a goal in mind instead of "evil for the sake of evil" like the geno route in UT
Agreed, it had the potential to be much more interesting. Phoning it in these past 2 chapters, and the knowledge that Chapter 5's is going to be even SHORTER, really did a number to it.

>>716147572
>HE set up Chapter 3 and couldn't set up what he had in mind for the weird route inside of it.
isn't that because chapter 3 is how you're supposed to organically discover it

>>716147572
Forcing choices for Weird Route into CH3 when the main focus of Weird Route isn't in chapter 3 would have added nothing. God I'm glad you faggots don't write this game.

>works /v/ into a seething shoot

>>716147514
youre not supposed to kill them you are supposed to rape and domesticate them

>>716147217
You're overextending Chara's role beyond the simple metaphor it's supposed to be. You aren't "giving him your SOUL" in a mechanical way that has any canonical meaning, it's just the game's way of communicating that you are at odds with yourself over what you actually want out of the game and that you are failing to understand the consequences of what you're doing.

>>716146756
From a gameplay perspective, genocide route is pretty shit purely because of the grind, but damn, it has some of the best dialogue in the game

Between Flowey telling why did he became the way he is, and Gerson has some interesting stuff to say
>I'm not a hero.
>But I know there's someone out there.
>Someone who'll never give up trying to do the right thing, no matter what.
>There's no prophecy or legend 'bout anyone like that.
>It's just something I know is true.
>That someone like that will strike you down.
What's interesting is that he says something like that in his Deltarune fight if you just keep defending and never heal, where he does an attack that's similar to Undyne the Undying
https://youtu.be/tHGOMcujK4E?si=Gn-xgCyxQ0fy2Koq&t=213

>>716147627
Yes, we choose to RESET or not without the SOUL, even when Chara owns it. Clearly proving our control has nothing to do with the SOUL. We are also in control of Kris's fate, yet we aren't him. Chara has control even when we still play, too, since we can do a TRUE RESET right after seeing the SOULLESS pacifist cutscene.

I am starting to think you're too deep in being being Frisk's soul, so you don't want to concede you are simply wrong.

>>716147667
>isn't that because chapter 3 is how you're supposed to organically discover it
This is the worst cope of all.
This is a game where most of the players play immediately as a chapter comes out.
We can stop pretending that
>bro theres this rural guy in the middle of the USA who i am literally prioritizing over EVERYONE ELSE
Is a valid argument

>>716147780
I wish I had a childhood friend like her

>chapter 5 will be the shortest chapter
Who said this?

>>716147847
Why are you replying to me? I am the anon who is saying we just gave Frisk's SOUL, arguing explicitly that we aren't it.

>>716147907
honestly anon? u rite
sansKINGS won again, the only reason to play these games

>>716147514
>It's generally seen as satisfying to kill or defeat evil people. Especially people that are truly 100% beyond redemption.
Really...? The satisfaction is from stopping bad things from happening, for me. Once the plot is over, if the person doing it isn't likely to try again, no further animosity is required. This is how I've always viewed conflict resolution. The reason we need prison in real life is because most people would happily attempt the same crime a second time after being stopped the first.
>Ignore the fact that they look like cute girls and act quirky, your average Touhou character is as pleasant as Freddy Kruger
Can't say I agree. They're mostly concerned with themselves, sure, but that's because they're predators. They're not complete unfeeling unempathetic monsters.
>everybody is just a unpleasant piece of shit and the only sympathetic people are random human villager mobs
Is the manga that fucking bad or are you just feeling extreme identification with the "normal people" in Gensokyo? The story is about the non-normal people, so I don't consider the humans much.

>>716147691
>when the main focus of Weird Route isn't in chapter 3
Why are you speaking like Toby is following a prophecy which he must carry out? That is completely HIS FAULT.
>God I'm glad you faggots don't write this game.
Agreed, but only if Toby writes pretty much fucking anything besides two lines.

>>716139437
>papyrus4
what are the other 3

>>716147927
me

>>716147927
this but chapter 6 since it's true for Mother 3

>>716140694
Undertale prequel staring the green SOUL where recruit monsters and cook food for stat bonuses

Edgecucks really are insufferable huh

>>716148095
It's the fandom's fault for overhyping Snowgrave as a second playthrough route.

>>716148095
>edgecucks
Chapter 4 (the best chapter) called and said you were a faggot

uh oh janny melty

>>716148009
Nigger, forcing weird route stuff into EVERY chapter would add NOTHING. It turns the game into an overly formulaic mess where you always know for sure that you have to do something to progress the route in every chapter, instead of those choices feeling organic and well-written.

>>716148158
>it's the fandom's fault for overhyping Snowgrave
it is toby's fault

>>716148095
always remind yourself that even in the early UT days there were legitimately dumbfucks who insisted Genocide was the only route worth playing (99% of these people were femCharafags)

>>716147328
Two ways Snowgrave Chapter 3 could have been made not shit while still making the route about Noelle:
>have Noelle show up, there was foreshadowing for that to be a possibility, the front door was left open and the spamton neo fight established that you can actually call Noelle to you from quite a distance, the idea that Noelle shows up in Chapter 3 but only during Snowgrave could have been a cool touch
or
>just fill it with creepy differences, chapter 2 snowgrave already had a running vibe of things being very offbeat even when you're not involving noelle, what happened during chapter 2 probably weighs on Kris's conscience, why not having him start imagining shit?

When Susie initially says to Tenna they aren't going to take part in his show and the title had the word "KILLED", I actually had to check where that hadn't been changed from "CANCELLED" in the normal route or something. The route could have been filled with shit like that.

>>716147991
Frisk and Chara are both stand-ins for the player, you are the SOUL. Who they are outside of the context of our control over them is irrelevant to Undertale. Kris being his own character independent of (You) is a fundamentally different thing in Deltarune, so you can't directly compare how the SOUL works between both games.

>>716148069
I prefer this green take

>>716148009
weird route is noelle centric and she wasn't in chapter 3 until we break the game and bring her back, chapter 3 has noelle stuff like frozen enemy positioning and stuff

>>716148272
that was just him hinting that 3 would include the guide to the weird route, hence why the 3 was hidden

>>716148272
>3 is as big as 2
I can't help but feel like if you're taking this at face value then you're gaslighting yourself

>>716148095
>edge
DR is way more edgy than UT because it's embedded into both the main route and alternate route

>>716147927
>Making a chapter shorter than chapter 1
Impossible

>>716148272
3 literally said "not applicable". Reminder 5 won't be nowhere as grand as 2, as well.

>>716148000
>The satisfaction is from stopping bad things from happening, for me
Those are the same thing most of the time. Murdering Yukari for instance would be satisfying not just because of the bad things she is going to do, but also for all of the lives she's already taken.

>They're mostly concerned with themselves, sure, but that's because they're predators
It's because all Youkai can only think of themselves. They are incapable of feeling love or empathy, only able to understand things insofar that it affects them.

>Is the manga that fucking bad or are you just feeling extreme identification with the "normal people" in Gensokyo?
The manga is pretty bad, but most of all it's just that the human village mobs are the only people that deserve to not be murdered. When bad things happen to Reimu, I cheer. When bad things happen to another main character, I cheer. When something good happens to Reimu, I don't care since she doesn't deserve it. When something good happens to a human villager, I cheer.

>>716148069
Wont you die in the end?

>autosaged
Damn

Having Noelle join us in the church and take Ralsei's place in the party only on snowgrave would've legitimately added to the game's narrative and opened up a ton of different characterization moments for all involved, even if she was just trying to be a normal party member with no edgy shit happening.

>>716148390
>>716148398
if you were actually in these threads when the sweepstakes happened, the common sentiment was "oh huh we're gonna need the shadow mantle or something to make 3's weird route possible, but it's as big as chapter 2's so its cool"
you did not think "OH BRO ITS JUST A TUTORIAL ON HOW TO DO WEIRD ROUTE" faggot
>>716148459
>3 literally said "not applicable"
go to 3 and hold left retard

>>716148501
>Neutral ending
You die.

>Genocide ending
You leave.

>True Pacifist Ending
You start living in the Underground. Disguised as a monster, you open a famous and popular fast food franchise. You eventually perish and choose to have your soul handed off to Asgore, not believing he will actually go through with killing anybody.

>>716148383
>so you can't directly compare how the SOUL works between both games.
Exactly, because in Undertale you aren't the SOUL. The SOUL is just Frisk's SOUL, not a separate entity. I have no idea why you would say this, but earlier say we're the SOUL when that only makes sense in Deltarune. We aren't. We are both Frisk and Chara, the SOUL isn't a separate entity from Frisk.

Noelle is the original girl in the prophecy who is meant to be sacrificed, and the Kris/Knight/Carol gang are working to replace her with Susie since the prophecy can't be altered, but some of its passages are just vague enough to allow for that kind of loophole.

Weird route is you putting Noelle back into the prophecy. Chapter 4 ensures that the Noelle choice is 100% locked in, and when Ch. 5 reveals what is going to happen, you won't be able to change your mind.

>>716148253
>Nigger, forcing weird route stuff into EVERY chapter would add NOTHING.
No it would be a shit load more interesting and spare us effectively having to just play the same game again.
> where you always know for sure that you have to do something to progress the route in every chapter
No one said that you have to make every chapter be a "figure out how to go off the rails" minigame. But that also would have been a lot of fun so I don't see why that's a bad thing.

it's time to admit the pacifist routes of both games are just simply better than murder badtime

>>716147905
Once Chara owns the soul there's no reason for him to give a shit what we do when connected to it because he still wins regardless. Whether we do genocide, pacifist, neutral, it's still his and he knows we have a finite time with it. This is explicitly the opposite of Frisk, who has no control over it at all and exists solely at our leisure.

>>716148557
>if you were actually in these threads when the sweepstakes happened, the common sentiment was "oh huh we're gonna need the shadow mantle or something to make 3's weird route possible, but it's as big as chapter 2's so its cool"
>you did not think "OH BRO ITS JUST A TUTORIAL ON HOW TO DO WEIRD ROUTE" faggot
I was just saying what it is now, but I agree this meant people thought we would need to sequence break an item back into 3 to make a proper "weird route" work, which could still happen if you could bring noelle back there somehow after breaking the game later

>>716148557
>go to 3 and hold left retard
The "But" was the Sword Route.

A lot of this thread reminds me that I was disappointed that doing Genocide twice resulted in nothing but slightly changed Chara dialogue at the end

>>716148728
>Once Chara owns the soul there's no reason for him to give a shit what we do when connected to it because he still wins regardless.
You are Chara. He is not a separate character from you. That's why he has your fucking name.

>>716148795
>The "But" was the Sword Route.
we are talking about how toby overhyping snowgrave, please look at the reply chain before chiming in like a retard

>>716148304
Monsters deserve genocide
Change my mind

>>716148860
And now you've gone full retard, good job.

>>716148728
Except we're not connected to the SOUL when RESETTING, because it's still inside Frisk, which is the entire point of the Chara jumpscare. Flowey straight up says to let Frisk live their life to you when the SOUL is nowhere present. We aren't the SOUL, Undertale isn't Deltarune.

>>716148860
toby's mistake was making chara have a "true name" or even a sprite at all, people keep scapegoating into it
I hope he doesn't repeat that in DR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QODHktslqqs

>Edgecucks got fucked by disappointment again
KekyPOW

>>716148878
I know, but there was nothing to overhype when Chapter 3 wasn't applicable in the first place.

>>716148896
>Change my mind
susie

>>716148952
We are the SOUL, but it's not Frisk's. That's why it is capable of "reviving" Chara in the first place.

I actually think the atmosphere of the Sword Route was better than making frozen chicken

>>716148702
>Fucks your mom
>Kills you

>>716148481
>Those are the same thing most of the time.
Ah, you're the type of person I hate then. How do you exist in a Deltarune thread without bursting into flames? Shouldn't you want to kill Toriel for her attempts to keep you in the Ruins or something?
>It's because all Youkai can only think of themselves. They are incapable of feeling love or empathy, only able to understand things insofar that it affects them.
That doesn't sound right at all. Are you sure you aren't projecting your own feelings onto this dynamic?
>the human village mobs are the only people that deserve to not be murdered
Ok you're DEFINITELY projecting your feelings now.

>>716148970
The SOUL will be their own character and Playerfags will go into a coma.

>>716148896
without monsters there wont be fluffy gfs

>>716149054
>wasn't applicable in the first place.
again, the "but" being left in is why the hype was present
looking after the fact and saying "hmm i dont know why most of the fanbase was hyping this up along with toby!" is completely disingenuous

>>716149092
DETERMINATION that revives Chara, not the SOUL. Frisk isn't SOULLESS, because they can feel empathy. The SOUL is just Frisk's SOUL, and her determination revives Chara's essence, just as DETERMINATION revived Asriel’s essence.

>>716149120
SWORD is cooler because it takes the kill 'em all concept but conveys it in a much more unsettling way

does anyone have that image of toriel holding baby chara while (You) scream at kris about "IT'S ALL THAT FUCKER'S FAULT"

>>716149120
SWORD was of the highest kino, but is not a weird route replacement.

>>716149242
frisk's determination is the player's though

The threads will continue until janny learns

>>716149396
(he never will)

>>716148972
I too am glad Toby will never surpass his masterpiece, Undertale. You will always be the "Undertale" guy, and never the "Deltarune" guy.