Why didn't Zatch Bell take off as the Digimon killer?

>>716190240 (OP)
never finished this how did it end

>>716190287
I don't remember but I think Zatch disappears

>>716190240 (OP)
Would be cool if shit like this and Medabots were still getting games

>>716190287
It's still going

>>716190240 (OP)
Why do you think? Would you rather fight using some big ass fucking mecha dragon and sexy angels or some fugly puppet?

>>716190240 (OP)
Zatch was kino.
I remember watching it on Toonami when FE:PoR came out.
Good show.

>Zatch Bell
>Rave Master
>MÄR
Old anime that would have went triple platinum if released today

>>716190972
>Old

>>716190287
Zatch fights El Hermano and wins. Then a new villain appears and starts deleting main characters. Zatch and Kiyomaru unlock freindship power and beat him by stealing everyone's spells they were friends with. Final fight is Zatch vs the gravity guy. Zatch wins and becomes king. Also Kiyo became omnipotent during the final battle with the last main villain but loses it for no reason right before the closing fight with gravity guy. There's now a sequel series that takes place ten years after the original series ending.

>>716191020
Is the sequel any good?

>>716191107
If you have nostalgia for the original series, I guess it could be an enjoyable read for a couple hours, but the story is still pretty bare right now. It's also now monthly since the mangaka is so old now. The best thing about it is seeing all the cast more grown up.

>>716190972
Rave Master's spirit lives on. Would be cool if they let you use the 10 commandments.

>>716191481
Give me Sieg, and I will buy your game.

>>716190240 (OP)
My half-brother gifted me a zatch bell figure for a birthday and I had no idea who it was

>>716190972
What are you 26?

>>716192396
Do you have a pic of it? Im curious

>>716190240 (OP)
i remember the west making changes to the japanese fighting game to make it shitty.
it was also popular enough to get a unique card game but it once again got ruined in the west when changed some rulings.

>>716190240 (OP)
>digimon
its nothing like digimon. theres a set amount of demons, and you don't collect them, you burn their book

>>716190972
>Old anime that would have went triple platinum if released today
it did, it's called fairy tail.

>>716192445
more like 30

>>716190972
>Rave Master
>MAR
Nahhh. I like both of them. Rave was actually the first manga series I read to completion. But both are pretty straightforward fantasy stories. They were good for their time but if they came out today there's nothing that would really make them stand out even if they are pretty solid all around.

>>716193098
>But both are pretty straightforward fantasy stories.
I would say the same thing about jjk, you never know

the anime deserves a whole remake

>>716193308
I haven't read all of JJK so I can't comment on how the plot or overall quality ended up, but the Curse power system was at least kind of interesting and not super standard to be enough of a hook to draw people in. The anime adaption also had a good budget behind it so the fights were fun to watch. It also had the benefit of filling the niche when there wasn't any other popular shounen out at the time to compete with. Demon Slayer manga was over and the later seasons hadn't been animated yet, and MHA was also in its final stretch.

>>716191015
yes old we are more close to the 2050 than the 2000 now

>>716190240 (OP)
For some reason this wasn't as popular on USA

>>716193691
they should start remaking shit from 2050

>>716193616
>Curse power system was at least kind of interesting and not super standard
It really isn't much different from any other series with a semi universal power system and some characters having unique abilities like Naruto or hunter hunter

>>716190240 (OP)
did this even have games

>>716190972
>today
that's just hunter x hunter

>>716193704
>>716190240 (OP)
In the US it wasn't really pushed at all. Digimon (and Yu-gi-oh) had legitimate marketing pushes behind them. There were commercials and products for them everywhere.
Zatch was just another show that aired on Toonami. The PS2 games did get localized, but that was it as far as merchandise went.

>>716190240 (OP)
MELON MELON

>>716193887
>The PS2 games did get localized, but that was it as far as merchandise went
There were 2 console games and a gba game also a card game

>>716193791
Yeah I got one of wm right here

>>716190287
Da good guys defeat da evil guys

I'm waiting for the sequel series to finish before I get into it but it was kino reading up to the first battle, kiyo and zatch seeing each other again for the first time in a decade and immediately battling with perfect sync. I hope the whole story ends up good.

>>716190972
What about Flame of Recca? It even got some video games

I love the "cowardly character stands his ground" trope

isn't Raiku like blacklisted or something, his last current work all up from himself, with no editor support or someshit

>>716195759
>"HEY, HEY, LET'S BANG ALL DAY, BOOBIES, BOOBIES!!"
my fuwarkin hero...

Hippos>Lions

>>716191020
>Zatch and Kiyomaru unlock freindship power and beat him by stealing everyone's spells they were friends with.
And it was kino.

>>716190240 (OP)
IRON MAN FOLGORE

>>716196647
This was so ahead of its time

the fantasy of controlling some weird puppet thing isn't very appealing

>>716190287
evil baby started winning and fucking shit up and the random dude who was paired with Zatch's evil brother Zeno showed up and said he has an ability called Answer Talker where he instantly knows the answer to any question he asks himself, and Kiyomaru ALSO has this ability and is one of the reasons he's so smart, so he trains Kiyo on this ability and Kiyo uses it to train Zatch more effectively and they become super strong but somehow still only 3rd or 4th strongest, they unlock super ultimate electric dragon god powers and are still about to lose before Kiyo just starts using other spells he doesn't even know and they're able to cheat and beat the evil baby and then they off screen their main "rival" who is an emo who controls gravity

>>716196806
>they off screen their main "rival"
?

>>716195759
Falgore... my hero...
Also somehow the strongest character in the OG series who legitimately defeated full power Zatch and only lost because he sacrificed himself

>>716196896
I may be misremembering but I remember them starting the fight and then it just cuts to him standing over Brago instead of us getting an actual fight

>>716196939
the anime references it for the final scene, just shows them starting the fight and cuts to credits. maybe you're thinking of that.

>>716197146
yeah I went and reread the chapter, I think I was mixing up that and the fact the Brago fight is just short, only being a single chapter.
He does not off screen brago, but he does kind of beat the fuck out of him

>>716190240 (OP)
this is one of the few manga that manages to make you cry and laugh, always tell people to read

>briefly scan thread
>no mention of zatch bell 2

>>716197418
>and laugh
no shit. Most manga that tries to be funny ends up getting a chuckle at best but gash is legitimately just fucking hilarious. Great reaction images, too.

>>716190240 (OP)
Because it was wildly different, iirc, the dolls or whatever never evolved they were basically a set character, their book had spells they unlock or some shit, it was cool but is not like if the MC could catch different dolls to use, he was permanently fixed with Zatch I think.

If anything, it is more like jojo, because those dolls are like stands who can use magic spells and shit, I'm just calling them dolls because I don't actually know what they were called, I think the whole stuff was a tournament to decide a king or some stuff.

Digimon is more about giant monsters hitting each other while kids cheer them on.

>>716197432
they're so cool, I love time skips

>>716197432
the sequel has been mentioned a couple times already, anon. next time ctrl+F the word sequel

>>716197432
It’s a solid 8/10 but the mangaka is riding on the “ENTER” moments way too much

>>716197514
>8/10 sequel to childhood series full of "ENTER" moments
couldn't ask for anything more

>>716197514
on a personal preference I would have liked if this new group was more of demons who didn't have time to shine or simply were not allies at all but so far we have all the old main cast + Coral Q, that is fine too I like Coral Q

>>716190240 (OP)
the anime adaptation was mid and unfinished

>>716190240 (OP)
based gash bell nigga

>>716190240 (OP)
The anime had a budget of 5 dollars, the dub got cancelled, and the show in general was unfinished. splits off from the manga near the end and then just ends on a nothing episode

>Female in a battle shonen
>She's literally THE most competent and powerful woman in any battle shonen ever

How did Raiku do it?

>>716197432
I need to finish Gash Bell first but hopefully it's good

VERY MELON

>>716200108
>literally THE most competent and powerful wom-ACK
ENTER ARALE

>>716190240 (OP)
>>716193704
It showed up too late. By this time Naruto had already showed up and was way grittier than Pokemon or Digimon. Naruto/Bleach/One Piece took over the entire US shonen audience in the late 2000s.

>>716200578
Battle shonen, retard. Arale is gag manga

>>716190374
Yeah

>>716190240 (OP)
You can't grow a mamodo, i Guess that talking care of one would require uncommon game mechanics because you are raising a kid basically

>>716197432
They should have gay sex

>>716200761
>Battle shon-ACK
ENTER

>>716196756
you lose

>>716191107
I like it.
The premise is that the demon world got invaded and had all their spells stolen and as a last ditch effort they send some demon kids to the human world to get help
You see everyone as adults now, some designs are great, some are iffy.
And some get cucked.
I wish I was joking.

>>716190240 (OP)
Shit I forgot to check for the latest scanlation. Thanks anon.

>>716196756
When I was a kiddo I actually made a zatch bell OC, it was a puppet but instead of lightning it used ice attacks, and it was a cute girl.

>>716201283
zatch casting without fainting was really cool. kiyo understanding without words and trusting him seconds after reuniting after years was too.

>>716200108
Cuckquean.

>>716197418
>cry and laugh
Usually from the same character, too.

>>716201642
yeah the NTR Sherry plot line was very fucking weird

>>716201775
So, did Sherry marry that guy just for his money?
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they reveal Sherry's childhood friend was also her secret lover.

>>716201908
>So, did Sherry marry that guy just for his money?
he's broke
SHE has the money
He's just a useless leach
I assume they backtracked on the whole "she's forced to stay with him because of her kids and financial status/name" shit because of backlash but instead it made her an even bigger cuckqueen

>>716202007
I don't remember any backtracking.
I remember her son determining that money is the only thing that matters because Sherry is letting her husband cheat on her.

>>716202110
after the battle was over she explained the rumors and her situation and that he was actually broke and she kept the money coming in and she was gonna beat the fuck out of him for cheating or something

>>716202007
Sherry said he used to be a good husband and just got shit over time due to pressure from the high-class lifestyle.

An 8-foot-tall Brago threatening to murder him apparently fixed things.

it literally replaced digimon by taking its time slot iirc. not that "took over after frontier" is really something worth bragging about but I digress.
unless you mean culturally then fuck man I don't know, digimon's western release was 100% riding the tamagotchi/pokemon hype trains. zatch bell was just kinda another anime lost in the shuffle of mid 2000's toonami.
and of course you can't forget the most important aspect, zatch bell was designed with a start and an end while digimon is just a giant toy commercial that refreshes every year or so.

>>716190287
>how did it end
Who's going to tell him?

>>716197432
Every time a new volume releases, I see a bunch of people finding out that a sequel exists. The marketing for it isn't the best.

>>716202515
Didn't the mangaka sue his publisher for failing to deliver his original art back to him after he finished the series?
The guy is probably blackballed from the industry and gets no marketing.

whenever I remember zatch bell I just think of the yopopo episode and get sad

>>716202640
He sued one of the biggest manga organizations in Japan due to them losing his original colored work and for exploitation of mangakas.

He went to another publisher and made a good series called animal land, it was really well received and profitable. After that he made a semi gag manga and they kept fucking with him on that one, so he quit and started self publishing.

He's a good guy, in his volume releases of zatch bell he'd talk about his assistants.

>>716201013
His art was so much better before he switched to digital

getbackers bros...we are forgotten

Buso Renkin gods...what happened

>>716190240 (OP)
>Zatch
Maybe not changing the name for starters. The name is Gash.

>>716197432
Huh? didn't Zatch became the mamodo king after winning?

>>716191020
>Zatch fights El Hermano and wins
That's insane that happened and it was pure fucking kino. Not enough spics are into Gash Bell despite them blasting through their favorite dumb DB shit memes.

>>716203954
Yeah. The plot of the sequel so far is some mysterious group of enemies showed up in the demon world and just absolutely fucked everyone up. Gash escaped to the human world to find Kiyo and they've been reviving and reconnecting with their old friends and rivals since.

zatch has a cute penis!

Gash golden spell book was a power of friendship asspull but it was KINO

>>716202505
it's been years, how come the art is even worse in some places?

>>716204206
he earned that, the only asspull was the final boss coming out of nowhere and being stupid OP

Why was Rashield so useless?

>>716204352
that this anon said >>716203028 but also Raiku art was never the same after the bike accident

>>716200108
>named after the belmonts of castlevania
>uses a whip
>isn't a girlboss cunt
>has one of the coolest stands in the series
>has a goal and actually SUCCEEDS in it
>taken seriously and lasts until the very end to fight the protagonist
Sherry is the fucking BEST. Tio and her partner and Wei Lu or whatever his name was and his partner are good too. Most of the female characters in Gash are good but Sherry is the best, if not one of the greatest female characters in shonen.

ZB really had no business being as kino as it got

>>716197460
Kiyomaro is the reaction king.

>>716204680
She really is one of the best written female characters in shonen history.
A shame people don't remember her.

>>716205192
>distinctly non-japanese character of another ethnicity
>somehow uses verbiage, idioms, phrases, etc that would only be known by someone who explicitly speaks japanese on a near native level that they shouldn't know
This has always been a fucking pet peeve of mine.

>>716205397
Looks like Kiyo agrees with you.

read animal land too

i never disliked papipurio and rupa

Early 2000s era was so fucking good
Anyone read DNAngel?

>>716205397
>media made for certain country and to be consumed by people of certain country
>they largely act like people of that country
people throwing a fit about that is a pet peeve of mine.
It's like saying "wtf I started assassins creed 2, why is Ezio speaking English???"
like no shit dude

the author is turbo based by the way

>>716193791
Most of them didn’t leave Japan iirc, but the author talked about them every now and then in the manga.

>>716206430
You're a bit stupid aren't you?

>>716201642
I really can’t believe that happened to her.

>>716206617
we're all a bit stupid, but that's besides the point.
You're upset (or realistically just talking about something you dislike) because a comedy skit in a manga made by, edited by, and aimed towards Japanese people is using Japanese wordplay.
Yeah no shit anon, it wouldn't make sense and the entire scene would fall flat otherwise

>>716203929
They couldn’t call him that because it’s slang for vagina.

>>716204529
So the little pink girl could have her gimmick

>>716206265
Papi getting into the last 10 survivors over others participants like Barry or Zeon will never not be funny for me and also being one of the first getting killed in the sequel according to Gash

>>716206471
Why is he old?

hey hey let's dance all day

>>716206705
It's fine, there'll be some explanation that makes the whole thing kino.

>>716209030
Already been done, it was meh
>Sherry talks about it and say that her husband is a good man, but the stress of his new status as her husband and (essentially) noble got to him, so he started being too stressed out, and she couldn't help him because she couldn't understand his pain, since she's always been raised this way.
>Ultimately she says she can't be angry at him
>Another character points out she's just waiting for him to be comfortable before she strikes her revenge
>Everyone raughs
Yeah, she got done dirty in the sequel.

>>716190240 (OP)
I remember watching this but dudes just cried in every episode so i lost interest

>>716190240 (OP)
not enough lolicons and shotacons

>>716190240 (OP)
too few lolicon and shotacon tuned in/bought the manga.

>>716190240 (OP)
I liked this show, but then stopped watching it after my friends bullied me.
Is it actually good?

>>716191015
Anon, those are all over 20 years old. No zoomer would be around or at least old enough to have seen them and actually understand them.
We are old. Accept it.

>>716209212
Obviously it was a lie to come up with a story everyone will buy, which is why she also played along with Tio's typical anime woman comment of secretly waiting to strike. To everyone else, it's "unlike" Sherry to be so calm and accepting of being cheated and disregarded like that. Not this proud, fierce woman. It's a deception. Just watch and see. It's all a cover up, and when the girls wouldn't buy it, she just pretended to have an ulterior motive. That's exactly what it is.

>>716195798
yeah, he sued kodansha over some contract breach and he won, getting back full rights to the franchise.
sadly that means most major companies blacklisted him for not taking the corporate abuse

>>716212261
Things went well for him with Animal Land at first. Then his editors turned into that one retard in Bakuman who demanded 80 gags a panel.

What's Animal Land like?

>>716190240 (OP)
Any good Zatch bell games?

>>716216338
Mamodo Battles is decent

>>716194340
Possibly the worst audio quality of any game I've ever played.

>>716201283
>some designs are great
fucking shit brickhouse brago genuinely made me beam

>>716196756
>puppet
it's supposed to be your bro, you dum dum

>>716200578
also
>woman
>human, for that matter
like, MAYBE if you tried to skirt around it by saying android 18 i could have agreed

>>716197432
>time skip age up
oh no
>Gash is just barely still a shota
thank god

>>716200536
CATCH MY HEART

>>716197432
>Manga has like 200 characters and a bimonthly release schedule

>>716190240 (OP)
because instead of cool digital monster companions they were dumb puppets that looked like little kids. Were you not an 8 year old boy once? Who the fuck would rather play with a dumb little doll over a T. rex made of guns?

The real question is why did Medabots never take off in the west?

>>716193704
>>716190240 (OP)
it was on toonami briefly but during the afterschool slot or saturday night next to naruto

My wife

>>716196806
>he random dude who was paired with Zatch's evil brother Zeno showed up and said he has an ability called Answer Talker where he instantly knows the answer to any question he asks himself, and Kiyomaru ALSO has this ability and is one of the reasons he's so smart,
Honestly, this is why I don't discuss battle manga, people just speedread everything.
Answer Talker even has a design cue that shows when Kiyomaru is using it. It's not even subtle, he gets Imu eyes.

>>716190972
Most older battle manga don't do particularly well when redone today.
Notable examples include Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken, Mahoujin Guru Guru, and the ongoing Yaiba remake. None of them have had that much interest, both in Japan (where their manga are really popular) and outside Japan.

>>716195759

>>716202253
When The Hulk tells you to pay taxes, you pay taxes.

>>716217569
The show was somewhat popular but there was never a coordinated push to release the games and toys in the west. Nelvana handled the localization of the anime back in the day but they don't really do video game stuff.

>>716205115
I cried like a bitch

>>716217930
>mahoujin guru guru
>battle manga
for a lovey dovey loli romance gag anime it did as well as you'd expect in the west. Which is to say it was a bit popular here and pretty much nowhere else. The 2017 version was funny but nothing tops the cuteness of the original imo

>>716219236
>a bit popular here
I would say 100% of all non-English fans are centralized here. Kukuri still shows up in every /a/ draws.

>>716219312
>>716219236
>non-English
Meant to say non-Japanese. Came close.

>>716204160

>>716204160
>finish manga
>watch first episode (Japanese)
>literally half of it has the camera focused on Gash's dick, and his meeting with Kiyomaru ends on a closeup of him shoving it in front of Kiyomaru's face
I could very easily tell a woman had input on the storyboards.

>>716219393
>>716219312
the 90s anime was released in Italy back in the day and was supposedly popular there so maybe there's other fans out there somewhere

>>716217729
I'm not sure what anything you said has to do with speed reading.

>>716217930
something about the bottom one really pisses me off
I'm not contrarian enough to say the top is better just because it's traditionally animated but I think the bottom is just trying way too hard to be sakuga

>>716196756
As a kid I thought Zatch Bell was the hypest shit and plenty of moments have stuck with me to this day. The concept of having your own personal Mamodo buddy that attacks by you yelling a spell out of a book will always be cool. The battle royale aspect of it was hype too

came here to post best girl

>>716219972
>it is both explicitly shown and stated that Kiyomaru got Answer Talker after he died
>anon thinks that's why Kiyomaru was always smart
That's speedreading, just the fact alone that you (or he, whatever) didn't notice Kiyomaru's eyes changing, or him losing the ability after the arc is indicative of that.

>>716209476
The manga is. The anime was ok solely for a a few short insert songs but never finishes and ends on filler. The dub never finished even earlier than that, plus censored.

>>716216210
>What's Animal Land like?
About an abandon baby in a would full of animals as humans don't seem to exist, while being raised by a certain group of animals, discovers he can not only talk to them but also understand every species type as the other animals had kind of a language barrier and in return, he could hear every cry from an defenseless animal being killed by predators in the wild and grows up wanting to change that. The story has classic Gash Bell nuttyness. The author loves making childish silly stories and characters but throws a curve ball every now and then by giving fans something brutal or badass.

Halfway in it turns into a complete battle shounen with lots of hype moments so there's a pretty big genre shift if you're not feeling the beginning. Either way go read it if you're a fan of Gash.

>>716204352
it's called getting old and it will happen to you too

Been catching up with the manga
Bari's return was hype af

>>716220164
>anon thinks that's why Kiyomaru was always smart
I swear I remember a character mentioning that's why school and shit was so effortlessly easy for him because he had/had the potential for Answer Talker. Either way, I think it's a bit silly to shout "SPEEDREADER" for that. No one remember every panel of every chapter. I haven't read Zatch Bell in like 15 years, forgive me for confusing a plot point that was introduced and resolved in like a span of 20 chapters

>>716203746
nothing?
I liked it and the anime's OP is pure Fukuyama kino

>>716201732
JUST KIDDING
I've never been more angry and blindsided reading a manga in my life.

>>716190374
This really was just megabits, but instead if little robots fighting it was magical midgets.

>>716221980
I do hope this means Kido will be coming back at some point

>>716221980
i laughed hard as fuck the nose poking from under the veil was also funny as fuck

>one has kids fighting with dinosaurs made of swords and guns with big titted angels and devils wearing bondage
>the other has kids fighting with stupid little pinnochio dolls
gee I wonder which one 10 year old boys would be more drawn to?

>>716203746
>>716221696
I member. Buso Renkin was core 2000's anime with the OP being played everywhere online. Sad that people forgot about its popularity.

>>716204612
yeah, even now it looks stiff and off whenever he draws faces from certain angles with their mouths open. But it's to be expected after that accident.

>>716197432
That looks Way better than OP pic

>>716217569
2nd season killed it. It was so bad the director apologized and they never made an anime again but still continued to get games in Japan.

>>716190374
>Would be cool if shit like this and Medabots were still getting games
Medabots still did continue to get games in Japan. There's been a Medabots game all the way up to the 3DS with a collection on the Switch and I think some people have started fan translating the older ones. The real question is why no one bothered to localized them when they knew fans loved the series just as much as digimon outside Japan.

>>716223280
Even as a kid (like 11 or 12?) I thought the second season was bad

>>716223280
>The real question is why no one bothered to localized them when they knew fans loved the series just as much as digimon outside Japan.
wasn't there some asshole holding the english ip rights hostage just because?

>>716201283
>Gash is a manlet
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

>>716223371
Yes

>>716220048
She still a cutie all these years later.

>>716223684
Nice try, she hasn't been shown yet.

>>716217703
>>716201013
fully modelled?

>>716223280
I still play the GBA fighting game sometimes. The GB games are okay at best.

>>716190240 (OP)
What the fuck is this? Are the puppets alive or something?

>>716226242
They're demons or more like oni's to Japan.

>From second strongest character in the manga to cucked housewife
>Ended up in some "it's beneficial for both parts" marriage
>Pumped with children
>Husband cheats on her all the time
>Somehow the manga attempts to say that she still has the upper hand and is waiting for le revenge
Stop......she just became pathetic....

>>716226663
You don't have what it takes to say half of that to Brago's face.

>>716195692
I had to deal with some shipper from Hawaii just to get the GBA game imported, got yanked around but it actually eventually showed up. Had a blast, it got further in the story than the anime did at least. Definitely recommend the manga though.

>LE ANSWER TALKER

Stupid fucking ability, but for the most part the series was a fun read/watch. I enjoyed the story and battles, plus it was nice that each Momodo had its own unique powers/abilities, even simple fire/lighting/ice/earth spells all had unique/creative spells, like a wall made of lightning that can reflect projectiles. The characters were also fun, so yeah, I'd say all-in-all the creator did a good job with almost everything. Almost. I watched the anime on Toonami when it was airing and then read the manga in high school for fun back in like 2008

>>716226926
>it got further in the story than the anime did
How much farther?

>>716226789
I'm actually expecting Brago to be the one to put some sense into her head and just have a divorce

>>716227245
She should just marry Brago. The kids already see him as their real dad.

>>716203746
I never saw the anime, but the manga seemed pretty short and concluded without a sequel chance from what I remember. Compared to Mx0 it lasted a while.

>>716227163
It was a fighter, but you were actually in the SODOM arc near the end. Could have used more characters, but I enjoyed playing it at work between calls at the tie.

>>716196756
>>716217441
>>716197484
The reason Zatch Bell is so brilliant is because they aren't puppets, they are actual, overpowered children forced to pair up with humans (generally adults).
Them being inherently much, much stronger than humans but still being children and (usually) being schooled by their human partners is what makes it so good.
Even the demons that are 6'4, edgy, and built like Hercules are still children and act like children.

>>716197432
Why did he make Zatch so sexy?

>>716195759
>"cowardly character stands his ground"
Funny how such a scene could apply to like, 7 different characters during the whole manga and it's always amazing without fail.

>>716220048

>>716190240 (OP)
Digimon has multiple appeals Gash doesn't.
Monsters of various kinds, evolution paths, different forms, fusion.
Gash is cool but Mamodos are not as universal in appeal, specially when the main ones looks like little kids, you know kids dont want to be seen as kids.

>>716206837
He looks like a little pussy.

>>716204680
Sherry and Brago were great, and good on Raiku for letting them handle Zophis on their own. If they had been in One Piece or some shit, you know the Main Character would have bailed them out of their fight, but Sherry despite having her shit together, still goes through a lot of pain and comes out on top. Brago is also the PERFECT anime edgelord

>no retarded tragic backstory to overshadow Sherry's
>always scowling except when he's thrilled by combat
>only jobs once, gets better almost instantly
>uses his brute force to help and inspire others like, not just with Sherry but also that part with that little boy on the snowy village.

Top tier edgy boy.

>>716229846
GIWTWM

>>716195759
Genuinely kino even when he derends Kanchome in the sequel

>>716228483
Older Brago overshadowed him, but I'm really happy Barry came back buff as fuck, he looked like Perfect Cell when gets angry at Gohan and roids out.

>>716200108
>my crush when I was younger
>becomes a milf in the sequel
I won

>>716190240 (OP)
Magic demon children are less marketable than digital monsters

>>716230532
>that part where he's demanding they bring back Gustav
Fingers crossed for that, he was great

>>716200536
Always lived that fuckers design

>>716230134
Serious this. People don't bring up enough just how great these 2 were. They were some of the greatest rivals in shounen.

>>716230738
I loved that he was all tsundere and avoidant about it but it was obvious what he wanted kek

>>716230134
Mangaka did not need to go that hard with his and Sherry’s design

>>716230807
I love that they're not """cooler"" replacements that end up overshadowing the MC as the likes of Vegeta and Shadow end up being (or viceversa when Goku/Sonic end up cleaning their messes and showing them up), they're completely different characters doing their own thing and growing in their own way, and they don't substract from the rest of the cast, just add up to the already rich cast of characters. The way GB handled its recurring cast and super strong/rival type characters was just perfect, and I'd even argue one and done characters like Ted/Cherish or that stubborn piece of shit Rodeux end up feeling like they have their own life and goals and struggles going on, despite being in the same competition. A+ use of cast, except for the final villain, very rare for shonen.

YOU KNOW WHO’S GOT THE POWER

I'm starting to think the only reason Bleach started to fall out of favor in the wider scope of normalfag-friendly anime fandom is because the villains were too good and it made people uncomfortable.

>>716190240 (OP)
The Zatch Bell 2020 Series Is Cancelled Because You Don't Care

>>716231525
Stop posting this fucking asshole's shitty videos.

should I just start reading the sequel? I hate being teased by slow releases but I keep getting spoiled here

>>716231786
Go for it

>>716231570
no nigger his shitty videos are the mlp ones

>>716231786
Yes, then hop over to /a/ every month to read the newest chapters with the rest of us when they drop.

>>716230134
the anime did just that, they had gash come in to help woth zofis

>>716232318
I know and it was so unneeded. Gash and company just were done surviving one of the best, biggest fucking battles with Demolt, it added nothing to have them zip to someone else's conflict right after it. Pure marketing-brained decision.

>>716231204
>Rodeux
I feel like he reflects Zatch Bell perfectly where he stayed a huge, irredeemable piece of shit all the way to the end but he still spent his last moments telling his partner to live her life to the fullest and learn to love herself

>>716232318
The anime did a lot of horrible things.

>>716232753
i love that we don't see her scar at all in this spread

>>716200108
He had the balls to give her the motivation and in Brago the means to justify why she goes through so much shit, and didn't make it so she take away the spotlight Kiyo and Gash or letting them take it away from her in her personal arc.
In other words he wrote a good character and then gave her tits.

>>716232753
Rodeux was sort of a generic sadistic jock kind of bad guy up until his comedic moment getting the crap zapped out of him with Kiyomaro's return, then what you posted, which only works because he's sorting out Chita's issues, rather than pulling a last moment sad backstory out of his ass. Those two parts make the character so much better in retrospect for me, his big multi character fight against Kanchome/Tio/Umagon and Momon is one of the best of the whole series, shit's like Nappa on steroids.

/v/ has good taste with their shonens at least.

>/a/non that claimed he had english publisher ties in NA said Zatch Bell had been picked up by an english publisher
>this was a year ago
>nothing happened
at least the guy who scanlates ZB2 is slowly retranslating all of the original ZB

>>716190240 (OP)
>why shit series didn't take off as shit series
it's a mystery.

>>716200781
>i Guess that talking care of one would require uncommon game mechanics because you are raising a kid basically
It all depends on what kinda demon you got like did you get a child/teenage demon like gash and brago, an animal demon like umagon, or a straight up monster like gorm. I don't think it'd be any different than digimon or monster rancher except instead of taking care of multiple monsters it's just one, the series already has a progression system and story all laid out for a video game

>>716233543
Scathing

I never watched the anime but heard it was absolute shit compared to the manga.
But I know it made Victoream more popular since his reappearance in the Clear Note fight suddenly has him talk of melons and that didn't happened in the manga.

>>716232753
>>716233392
I'll never forget some anon in an /a/ Gash storytime who was like "Why is this generic bad guy my favorite character now" when that hapened.

>>716233935
He actually did his stupid Melon song in one of those "extra pages" Raiku bundled the tankobons with lmao maybe it came out before the anime.

>>716233392
Sometimes I just forget how good this fight is.
Umagon knowing he had no other options and deciding to fry Rodeux's partner to win is pure kino

>>716233935
Anime is good on its own, but manga does many things better.

>>716234123
I feel like it's impossible to watch it objectively knowing how things go in the manga and then seeing them all dropped in the anime. The Faudo arc especially.

>>716190240 (OP)
they're fucking dolls. only little girls play with dools
I like cute critters and big booba girls

I find the sequel to be really entertaining. Really love the "enter" moments
Folgore's one is the best so far

>>716235054
Folgore is in a class of his own in everything he does.

>>716234894
>dolls
you just confirmed yourself as a inferior dub consumer

>>716234894
Demon kids actually have a lot of design variety to them, way closer to Digimon than you might think.

>>716233482
It's unlikely Gash got picked up considering that it's still on mangadex.
Then again, it wouldn't be that surprising. A lot of never evers got licensed recently
>Baki Part 1
Getting a full release from a new publisher, and if you look up the release schedule it's insane. The previews of the volumes themselves as well, looks like one of the best releases for any manga yet.
>Dragon Quest: Dai no Daibouken
Got uncancelled (?)
>Dragon Quest: Emblem of Roto
Seems to be SE doing cross-promotion with the DQ1-3 remakes.
>YAIBA
Cross-promotion with the anime it seems.
>JoJo: Purple Haze Feedback
An LN, but still pretty crazy to see.
>Ashita no Joe
Already on Volume 3 if I recall.

So, between all that and with all the smaller publishers that wouldn't need to explicitly avoid Gash (i.e., Viz who works with the company that original owned it), there is a chance it DID get picked up, especially with 2 ongoing. I imagine it would take a while though for a variety of reasons
>New translation
The old TL is owned by Viz and inserted some dubisms, can't be used.
>Working a release schedule
In all likelihood, the 1.5 volume sized kanzenbans would be the base for a new release. Baki Part 1 is receiving the same thing from an independent publisher, and again, its release schedule is insane, something like two volumes every month or two. Gash is a BIG manga and they'd likely want to have it fully released as Gash Bell 2 is the new hotness.

>>716234827
I guess, but I was exposed to the anime first

meru meru me~

>>716223371
>>716223449
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/20211112-6002/

An NFT game no less.

>>716219978
>but I think the bottom is just trying way too hard to be sakuga
Yaiba's new anime is a passion project through and through. That episode in particular was all key animated by ONE PERSON which is absurd since it is probably the most well animated episode of TV anime in years.
Yaiba as a whole is Wit maximizing on quality in all regards- really the only failing is that the new OP isn't as good as the original one (new EDs aren't as good as the original one either, but they're still great in their own way).

>>716230495
Zatch Bell has a sequel?

As a PSA, if you've only seen the Gash/Zatch Bell anime, read the manga

The anime was a shit adaptation (aside from the music) that on top of tons of issues with filler and poor art/animation, eventually diverged entirely from the manga's plotline, and then never adapted the final arc in any capacity. T

he manga is also legitmately one of if not the best battle shonen ever made and entirely avoids a lot of common problems the genre like how the cast gets sidelined, the pacing gets bloated, and the stakes/power level escalation goes out of control over time: Gash/Zatch Bell doesn't struggle with any of that and only gets better the further in you get, the only caveat is doesn't have as strong a start as other shonen (since it only switches from a villain of the week format to full arcs and gets super tactical fights a bit of a the way in)

There's a new/ongoing updated fan-made english translation that uses new high-resolution digital rips (with official color pages) from the Kanzenbans, which you can find on Mangadex under the "NEW fan translation" listing by Zatch Bell Makai. That's only done through volume 8 I think so far, but Mangadex will automatically switch you over to the older NULL scans once you get past that point. (There's also the A-Destiny scans as an option for vol 18 onwards: A-destiny has more awkward wording, but less mistranslations then NULL, i'd just stick with NULL DESU). You'll also want to read the "Kazenban extras" chapter listing for the Gash Cafe chapters, and the "Kanzenban special book" chapter listing for the Gaiden chapter, both of which lead into the ongoing sequel manga which has it's own series listing on Mangadex.

Ran out of space

>>716222438
He will. It's basically guaranteed that every demon of note will return with the number of books there are. I want to know if the ancient demons will make a return with new partners, how characters like Zofis and White/Clear will be handled, and if we'll get a redemption story for Marcuss.

>>716236096

>>716236319
Ongoing monthly.

>read Gash Bell this month
>think its good but am constantly thinking "Huh, this is kind of like Karakuri Circus"
>look up the author since I wanted to know more about why he self-publishes now
>Wikipedia has a list of relations
>"Master" was the Karakuri Circus mangaka
Small world.
As an aside, absolutely read Karakuri Circus. Much like Gash Bell it kind of has a crummy TL and a pretty shit anime, but it carries a lot of the same style.

>>716236479
>The anime was a shit adaptation (aside from the music)
wasn't it by the Shadow of the Colossus composer? It was actually incredible.

>>716236479
Is it worth waiting for the re-translation to finish or is the NULL one serviceable enough?

>>716236613
>It's basically guaranteed that every demon of note will return
I was semi-triggered when they introduced a character named Elly and it wasn't Law's partner.

>>716236932
NTA but I think the Null translations are great as far as translations go. They capture a lot of the moments really well and I think the names they use and general writing flows a lot better than some of the other ZB translations.

>>716236932
I read it with the old translation but started with what is there of the new one. It kind of sucks, but it is readable, not absolute meme MTL tier.

>>716236883
>Small world
More like small Island. That being said recognising the influence of a mangaka in his assistant's own work is fun.
I haven't read Karakuri Circus but if it's completely translated i will give it a try.

>>716237025
>Law
I mean Earth shit

>>716236883
Gash Bell might had a shitty anime but nothing compared to what they did to Karakuri Circus

>>716191481
A CARROT NOSED DOG?

>>716191020
>stealing
FUCK YOU. It's quite literally the best power of friendship shit in all of manga and you call it stealing!

this thread is based1

>>716196513
>gash
I don't miss the days of fan translations being done exclusively by ESLs.

>>716196513
I've never been so happy about a power of friendship asspull.

Completely forgot this existed. Saw the picture and all these memories come flooding back. Thanks OP.

>>716190240 (OP)
ZB is one of the greatest battle shone and it is so underrated. Some amazing fights all through out. I haven't read the sequel yet but I enjoyed the original so much I'll probably still like it.

>>716237230
Its translation was finished recently. Once you get into the "Final Acts" section (which, ironically, is the midpoint of the manga) the translation becomes both consistent and mostly good. I desperately wish we could get a release of the kanzenbans here, but even if it wasn't niche as hell, the work is like 42 volumes (that's AS LONG as Dragon Ball).
>>716237372
It's so funny how badly they messed up the adaptation, a guy on /a/ made a spreadsheet of everything that got cut and it was like 75% of the manga.

>>716201908
>>716202110
Last month's chapter attempted some damage control on Sherry's status saying her son's assessment of the situation was wrong. (she has still been allowing her husband to go around fucking everyone while the townspeople laughs at her)

>>716236883
The Karakuri Circus anime wasn't a good adaptation of the source but it was fucking wild watching it every week. The combination of it being this bizarre kingdom hearts thing where it's just constant twists within twists within flashbacks within flashbacks and the breakneck heavily truncated pacing was a match made in heaven for enjoyment.

I'll always remember this post from when it was airing
>As an animeonlyfag this show is one of my favorites and a desperate breath of fresh air in a mostly shit season. Relative quality aside, it's hilarious how ridiculous the plot is. I'm regularly amazed at how effortlessly the author pulls batshit yet almost sensical plotlines out of his ass. I don't think I will ever see another show with something so random, seemingly trivial, and yet apparently key to the story's entire plot as the fucking Shirogane Dog.

>>716238017

You know what would be amazing to see?
Gash but magical girls instead of demon kids

>>716238120
haha just two more weeks until I do something about being a cuck

>>716236479
Cont:

Due to the recent purge Mangadex isn't getting new chapters of the Makai translation or the sequel chapters as they come out each month anymore, I believe those will now be on cubari and comick, but I don't think cubari has vol 9-33 for the original manga via NULL/A-Destiny, just Makai, and while Comick does, I don't know if it includes the end of volume bonuses or if it compresses the pages or anything or if it has the Gaiden and Gash Cafes, hence me still suggesting Mangadex for those

There's technically other spinoff stuff like 4koma and other comedy/gag stuff made by other authors but the original manga + end of volume bonuses, the gash cafes, gaiden chapter, and the sequel are all the material made by the original mangaka

If you insist on watching the anime, which I don't really recommend as I said before, the point at which it and the manga's plot diverges entirely is after episode 138: You'll want to stop watching after that and then resume reading from chapter 212.

The only thing I WOULD suggest is maybe watching the OP's, the anime's extended song scenes, and seeking out some videos which sync up the anime's OST to the manga's content. I have a rar and google doc which mentions some of those anime scenes worth watching + NULL's translation issues, compiles some of the sync videos (XZatchBellGamer, who doe the makai translation, also has some for the sequel on his Youtube channel), and includes a bunch of the soundtracks and other stuff here: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/267682304/#267723328 (this also links to previous /a/ storytime dumps of the manga) and here: docs DOT google DOT com SLASH document SLASH d/1uqxlTKvB3QYMXsXbyLPpy3eUkL6q4X52Oi2H_Fvp9nM SLASH edit?usp=sharing

Ran out of space again

>>716193616
I'm pretty sure Gojo carried JJK. The Shibuya arc was good but overall it was mid as fuck, and the final arcs pacing was total garbage. It wasn't terrible but didn't deserve the hype it got

>>716238004
I read Rozen Maiden despite it's abysmal scans and shifting translation quality so as long as it's not worse than that i'm game.

>>716238004
Even the volume slipcover layouts are really similar to the ones Gash would have (pre-kanzenban), it's kind of surreal how many similarities the two have.
>>716238052
I can't imagine anyone watching just the anime and thinking Karakuri is anything more like a Geasslike series of constant asspulls surrounded by cool fights and EDGE

>>716233576
This manga has so many memorable characters that play really small parts it's crazy.
I fucking love Gash Bell. I wish we got a decent anime adaptation, but watching Shaman King's new adaptation destroyed any hope I had and filled me with dread.

>>716190972
>MAR
This is one of those things you somehow distinctly remember despite experiencing very little of it. Can someone sell me on this? Every now and then I remember it exists and think about trying it, just to give my past self closure. All I remember was that the protagonist used a hammer and ball, the ball was the token mentor character, and I think the battles were done in like a game/chess hybrid thing, right? And I believe it was also an isekai.

>>716219978
Man, never give anything by ufotable a watch.

>>716238617
Hoping for a good anime adaptation of anything is an exercise in suffering. Just be grateful if it happens, and don’t engage if it doesn’t.

>>716238262
>>716238120
Trust the plan. Raikou would not let us down.

>>716219978
>I'm not contrarian enough to say the top
I am. The top is clearly better because it isn't assaulting you with 10,000 pleas of "please praise the animation when you talk about this show" per frame. The top one is animation that creates the illusion of life, the bottom one is soulless garbage for the sake of profit.

>>716238959
I unironically blame and dislike ufotable for introducing "sakuga slop" where they use a bunch of computer tricks to sell their shit instead of being actually expertly crafted animation and just spamming effects and their "animation" in almost every fucking fight scene.

>>716238754
Just remember Dorothy was best girl.

>>716239113
Yup. The KnY anime is basically un watchable between the THIS IS SO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC particle effect ridden battles and the absolute shit filler.
Kimetsu no yaiba isn't amazing, but it's brisk pace and vaguely interesting villains makes it an alright read.

>>716219978
The problem is that it's a randomly advanced moment of animation for what would be, I'm assuming, a rather miniscule moment in the grand scheme of the story. Generally you want to save your better animated parts for when big or dramatic moments happen to really sell that moment and build it up. But if EVERY fight is like that, no matter the scale, it does come off as trying to pander to others with animation at every turn; turning the animation itself into the selling point instead of the characters and story. It looks good, but it's used entirely wrong.

>>716236883
>>716238004
>>716238526
Thank you so much for showing me this exists, looks right up my alley, I will start buying the french localization asap.

>>716238959
That's not Ufotable, that's Wit.
You can tell because Wit doesn't overload the scenes with blurring and particles.
>>716239016
>The top is clearly better because it isn't assaulting you with 10,000 pleas of "please praise the animation when you talk about this show" per frame.
It's the climax of a pivotal character moment, one that falls flat in the original as it treats the material purely comedically, and one that resonates like the manga in the new anime, due in part to its animation, but also because the new anime has far BETTER storyboarding and direction.

I actually do love the original Yaiba anime a lot, it's a really good time and a really fun comedy anime, but it cannot do the more dramatic aspects of Yaiba that well at all (outside of the leadup to Kaguya's revival, very good character drama leading into a very good reveal). Thankfully most of what it adapts has a lot of comedy, but again, the new anime does Yaiba's material far better. It's better directed, better storyboarded, and the animation is just good. This meme of hating ALL animation simply to be contrarian is so fucking dumb because what is BAD about Ufotable's work is how it clutters the scene and ruins the purity of its animation in pursuit of pretty visuals.
Yaiba's new anime is still using MANY classic Dezaki-era techniques. It's animated in the *anime* way.

>>716239236
Admittedly, it was because of Demon Slayer's adaptation that made me want to read the manga. Seeing shit like Zenitsu's attack for the first time was actually unreal. It was genuinely good for animation. They got a lot better at hiding their bullshit, but yeah, it does get draining after a while. Though sometimes moments like Rengoku's final attack still shine through.

>>716238272
>>716236479
cont:

Note that the rar in the first link has a more outdated version of translation notes/good anime moments document, the second link has a more updated version of that, but even it I never really finished, with translation notes missing for the last few volumes aside from the super important bits, and only a few of the sync videos in the rar being subtitled and included rather then all of them.

Most of this was also compiled prior to and hasn't been updated since the anime got a blu ray set for it's first season (none of the later ones did even as there's been tons of merch and new material for the manga and sequel, which should tell you something about how ill regarded the anime adaptation is), so the rar doesn't include any higher res/clean OP's that the BD included, any new music tracks/albums released with it or otherwise in the past few years, nor does it/the guide have the clips at the higher resolution the BD set had. Maybe I'll update everything eventually but who knows

If all of this is too complicated and autistic then just listen to what I said in >>716236479

>>716190618
>>716202861
>>716209301
>>716209476
>>716233935
>>716236319
See above

>>716236932
The Makai translation likely won't be done for many years so unless you have god tier memory and a sense of commitment I'd just start now. NULL's translation is mostly fine, the main issues are just that the image quality is a little iffy till volume 12ish (but makai is finished with 1-8 anyways by now) and it lacks the official color pages. As I noted, there are some mistranslations, but there's only two plot relevant ones, and the wording is still organic enough that you generally don't notice the mistranslations are there. It also doesn't translate the SFX but a lot of people don't seem to care about that anyways

>>716239016
>>716239505
Like, Yaiba's anime does shit the classic way, it has smear frames like this, it's great if you're an actual appreciator of what makes anime distinct from western animation (that being the various techniques it pioneered to make up for struggles in the production pipeline) and not just someone who likes to LARP as an appreciator of "the classics" despite likely not even having seen a Takahata or a Dezaki.

>>716239414
Oh, are you a native French speaker?
I would like to practice my French (Canadian), but I feel silly holding my own conversations.

I found this website
https://anime-sama.fr/
so I could read the subtitles aloud while listening to how the characters speak.
Are there any other websites where I could watch "proper" films with French subtitles?

>>716239414
>knows French
Lucky, Frenchies get pretty good releases a lot of the time.
I'd recommend sticking with Karakuri Circus for a decent bit. I don't know how the kanzenbans (what the French releases use) number things, but some people find it slows down after a particularly fast opening arc. It gets crazy like Gash though, it has its big Faudo moment (and later, even its own Clear with WAY more time spent on it).

>>716239505
I actually like this webm more than the others, it's got restraint, it doesn't have that obnoxious digital camera shaky cam spinny shit.

>>716239553
I liked Zenitsu's first scene because it was relatively tame and reigned in. Shit like Tanjiro killing the little spider boy, most things Rengoku and especially most fights in the RLD are annoying as fuck "loooook at how goooood this animaaaation iiiis" slop.
It reminds me of Rockstar animating the horse's balls and anus for RDR2.
We get it, you spent billions on this.

>>716219978
It spends too much time lingering on key frames for something that should be a split-second interaction. Transforming into a bat also just seems like a thing he felt like doing instead of an act of desperation to escape from death.

>>716240018
Again, that's because the first webm was from a very special episode.
All key animated by one guy, and it's imbued with a unique style for the whole episode, and it's really good to boot.

>>716190240 (OP)
>Why didn't Zatch Bell
Never heard of it.
>Digimon killer?
Pretty sure Digimon doesn't need help killing itself.

>>716239853
Noooo sorry, not native french, I'm just a spaniard comic collector that happens to own and read lots of BD and visited France very often as a kid, my French is terrible beyond just reading lmao all I can really recommend you is to just find manga you like and get the french edition, that's where my experience ends, just, read up.

>>716240010
>Frenchies get pretty good releases a lot of the time
No kidding, they get all the good stuff, I recently finished their edition of Scale at Yokohama and it was such a crazy good deal, like, 6 euro per volume, with colored pages and everything, what a labor of love. Even the Superman TAS comics I ended up reading in French because they not out of print and they're really good, cheap books that go on fucking sale every so often. Frenchies sure love their comics. If you like comics, learn french, that'll open lots of doors for you.

But yeah I will give Karakuri some time, I love 80s/90s shit, if nothing else, the joy of having those panels in my hands will carry the excitement for some time.

>>716239786
>it's great if you're an actual appreciator of what makes anime distinct from western animation
But not if you're an appreciator of good animation. Sorry but when you post examples like >>716239505 it clearly shows how much more impact the original animations have, and the new ones just look so fucking desperate by comparison, and like they're compensating for the lack of quality by adding tons and tons of superfluous crap to create the illusion of quality where the original clearly didn't need all that to convey the same sequences in a far more convincing manner.

>>716240710
Not him, and I prefer the older shit, but it's also got some jank to it, no account of probably being more low budget and made for TV. The great tie breaker for me is the colors, the new one uses, it feels like a skinwalker caked in very distracting makeup. I hate retro throwback anime so much, it's always uncanny as shit.

>>716240710
>But not if you're an appreciator of good animation
That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense either as you're jerking off a scene with very mediocre boarding and animation.
>and like they're compensating for the lack of quality by adding tons and tons of superfluous crap to create the illusion of quality where the original clearly didn't need all that to convey the same sequences in a far more convincing manner.
No, that's just because the original was produced as a comedy series first and an action series second. The staff it hired were staff who did COMEDY works and believed they were on a COMEDY series. That episode is not a comedy episode, it is a significant moment of the main character's early development where he loses all of his allies for most of it, it is stewed in the drama aspect of action.
Again, not to say Yaiba isn't comedic (the literal episode before this in the new anime was a bath-house episode), but the original anime was focused entirely on that to the detriment of these scenes. It seems like you're just being contrarian for the sake of it despite not having even seen this series.

>>716238617
>Shaman King's new adaptation
can't have anything nice
what did they do?

>>716238617
>but watching Shaman King's new adaptation destroyed any hope I had and filled me with dread.
I wanted to get into Shaman King with that but got into a coma during the first few weeks and never ended up watching it since I was so far behind and it was the last thing on my mind.
I suppose I should be thankful I "dodged a bullet", but now all I see is people going "This is the worst thing I've ever seen" like it's the Digimon Adventure remake.

>>716190240 (OP)
because it's really nothing like digimon
>>716190287
zatch wins obviously, after beating second place brago on a final rival battle after he beat third place clear note who was the last big bad that defeated basically all other remaining mamodos on a big battle

>>716241456
>got into a coma
you can't just drop a bomb like that anon

>>716190240 (OP)
not melon enough

>>716196647
>>716235054
>>716235163

>>716241754

>>716195759
>>716205115
>>716218019
>>716241821

>>716190240 (OP)
because digimon killed itself first

>>716241821

>>716242040
hippo too strong

>>716241932
Why did they need the Digimon with that MC punching every enemy?

>>716242040
last page

>>716241296
Is it the Netflix one? There's also Flowers.

>>716241296
It was a hack job of an adaption. They rushed a lot of stuff, cut a lot of stuff, animation was basically slide shows, new character designs didn't matched neither the manga nor the 2000's anime. It was just a piece of shit all around and somehow it did well enough for them to do the sequel manga anime adaption. Shaman King Flowers.

I know everyone monkey pawed the fuck out of this wish.

>>716235163
my fucking hero

KNEEL.

++716242354
SCREAM!
SUFFER!
& DIE!

>>716236479
Does the anime only diverge at the around the very end? There's a lot of really funny songs in there and I love hearing folgore

>>716241131
>That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense either as you're jerking off a scene with very mediocre boarding and animation.
What I'm trying to impart to you is that the boarding and animation of the new one DON'T MEAN SHIT because it looks inferior placed directly against the old one. It doesn't matter which was produced as a "comedy series" and which was produced as an "action series," the the top one's animation portrays the action of the sequence (guy hits kid, kid hits plane, kid falls into the water) in a way with far more impact, that conveys the scene in a far more believable manner to the viewer, and is much more pleasant to behold.
>It seems like you're just being contrarian for the sake of it despite not having even seen this series.
>That episode is not a comedy episode, it is a significant moment of the main character's early development where he loses all of his allies for most of it, it is stewed in the drama aspect of action.
I am an outsider criticizing the ANIMATION as it compares in the webms you're posting. The top one's animation conveys motion, action, and persona in a manner I would deem far more befitting of a action-drama series than the lower. Because of that, I can take the top one far more seriously than the bottom one BECAUSE OF THE ANIMATION ALONE. You're points about which one is supposed to be an action series and which is supposed to be a comedy series are working against because you're correct in that I haven't watched either show, but this is a discussion of animation, and the goal of animation is to create the illusion of movement from pictures, not respect the mangaka more than some other guy. Simply going off of a direct comparison of the animation, I find the top one to be far more "real" looking than the bottom regardless of the passion behind the animations.

Gash Bell is the shonen with the most actually efective melodrama. It's used ad nauseam but it lands more often than not. One bit that always makes me a little misty eyed even remembering is when Momon is vanishing and Ellie is all like "I'm so proud of you, you've become so brave and strong and you didn't even hurt anyone all this time" god dammit that feels so real and so pure to read.

>>716242670
The anime was serviceable, it wasn't THAT bad like the other anon keeps implying. You can always pick up the manga where the anime left off or read the manga from the start and watch the anime after reading the manga.

>>716242896
What made it work was establishing that once a demon's gone, that's it and they aren't coming back and that the story never backtracked on it, until the sequel.

>>716194340
why was the sound on this so bad? i thought it was just the gamecube but no

>>716242726
>because it looks inferior placed directly against the old one.
It doesn't.
As another anon who also clearly had no experience with the material already pointed out, it doesn't even make the bat transformation seem like a big deal, like it's something he just did at the end because he could, rather than a significant devolution.
>the the top one's animation portrays the action of the sequence (guy hits kid, kid hits plane, kid falls into the water)
If you want to move onto the second example, the original isn't doing that one really any differently aside from overusing triple takes for two impacts. You can't even state why the original is "better" beyond "It just is".
I imagine you shifted solely to the second example because you knew dying on the hill of the first was a losing battle.

>>716242896
i think the one who hurt me the most was kid's

>>716243104
That was actually a really smart way to not have characters overstaying their welcome and/or needlessly bloating up the cast. It's not the end for the character, but it is the end of the character for the story.

>>716190240 (OP)
Too many obnoxious characters and zach was a literal nigger to whats his name.

>>716238262
>>716238120
She deserves better (me)

>>716243286
Most of that scene's drama is about Dr Riddles. Kid wasn't the most well-developed character but it felt like the Doctor really benefited from his company, and likewise Kid looked like he was learning a lot from him. Taken before their time as they say.

>>716241932
it would be frontier that killed digimon. the games stopped coming after it

>>716241932
>>716242120
>>716243706
I know that Frontier gave a hiatus, but Savers did not at all live up to the name. This is how a lot of us must have felt when seeing this bullshit.

>>716237025
>Lawrth and Elly
Another incredibly well done book vanishing scene, god damn it hits hard how they reverse their roles at the very end, it hits you with the realization Earth looks older but he must be like, 16 years old tops, he's still a kid.

>>716242354
>in one of the games that is his get up animation
>unlike other humans he can onlu get knocked down by strong attacks
i miss when anime fighters had soul like this

>>716221410
Kiyomaru was a child genius that's why he was so smart. The issue is that he lives in Japan so he can't skip grades which is why he was bored.

>>716244313
it grew on me. the fact that the anime explains the digisoul thing later on sealed the deal

>>716237478
It was stupid. The emotional panelling dress it up a bunch but it was still dumb.

All I want is a hardback rerelease of Zatch Bell in the same vein as Dark Horse's deluxe editions, styled to look like spell books.

>>716231423
>Bleach
>Good villains
Ulquiorra was cool but not much else to him than that. And Aizen is one of the hackest villains in anime.

>>716231423
I stopped watching Bleach because the fillers became too overwhelming. You'd have an entire season of a filler arc, followed by a real season, but half the episodes were filler. And the other half were so stretched out that they were barely watchable.
Naruto was similar, but at least they got a chance to reset with Shippuden to bring people back.

>>716242896
When the premise is that 100 children are inevitably going to 'die', including all the friends of the MC, until only one remains, it basically set itself up perfectly for nonstop melodrama.
The fact that Raiku can actually give the other characters their own stories and things to do without the MC having to resolve everything is just the icing on the cake.

>>716242217
At least HAO won in it, unlike the generic ending of the classic one.

>>716244313
To be fair, having your hotblooded partner needing to PUNCH the shit out of your enemy to help you digivolve is pretty sick. Although I think he was the only one who had to do that. Never got into Savers so I dunno what the deal was.

>>716246805
I'd rather watch 100 Bleach fillers than TYBW with these boring ass quincys.

>>716231423
Oh, yeah. It definitely wasn't the mediocre writing. Definitely not.

>>716190240 (OP)
Saw some thread on /v/ talking about this and it convinced me to look in to the manga. Started it last night and got to the reveal of the chick with the evil looking kid. Pretty solid so far for an older shounen

>>716231423
>>716249001
The reason people stopped talking about Bleach is because the anime stopped running for several years and only came back a few years ago.
Meanwhile Naruto has never been without an anime until Boruto ended a year ago.

>>716237478
>>716245257
Yes! And that's good. This is a manga for kids, the emphasis is on the emotional beats. It may be an asspull but it was soulful and hit kids right. I won't even say it's good on an objective level, but it was good as a tone/emotional payoff level.

>>716195759
>cowardly character stands his ground
>the guy whose backstory/actions shows he's not cowardly
Did you forget the whole point of his final fight?

>>716242670
see
>>716238272

>>716249101
You mean towards the end of Volume 1?
see >>716236479 regarding the best place to read it in terms of image and translation quality

>>716238754
It was an isekai but it was played as a straight fantasy with no stats or cheats or classes. MAR is honestly terrible and not worth rereading or rewatching. All the fights go like this
>here's my new item that is powerful
>kukukuku this is MY new item that is more powerful
>I'll have to use my NEWER item that is even MORE powerful
and it's like that till the end of the manga. It sucks

>>716191020
I never saw it as the power of friendship. Most of the demons there either never met him or were his enemies to the bitter end. It was an entire race choosing survival over being completely annihilated, standing behind Gash as their choice of king.

>>716250456
I chose to read the newest translation available on comick. They had a whole paragraph on the viz translation/vs an older translation/vs thiers.
Can't recall the name

>>716195798
He's currently self publishing Gash Bell 2 and it's pretty good

>>716196896
>>716196939
the fight is essentially off screened. It all takes place in one chapter as a series of panels from random points in the fight. More like a montage than anything. It was not a fully scripted and drawn fight though.

>>716249904
Gash spent all the series forming bonds with them, crying about their books being burnt and vowing to be a kind king. It IS an asspull but it's a much more satisfying one than your usual "oh you killed my friend and there's a prophecy my power number is now bigger" in a series where the power of friendship is an actual source of energy. Also yes, very good fanservice.

>>716250701
>and it's pretty good
for c*ckfags that is. Ruined best character for no reason.

>>716203746
The RuroKen manga was a masterpiece, Watsuki was never going to be able to follow it up. Or get a revival to make sense

>>716251189
Momon is an absolute chad, so I don't know what you're talking about.

>>716251189
Schneider won.

>>716251189
don't know man Kiyomaro still pretty much the same

>>716251189
...But Fulgore is single?

>>716251189
obsessed

>>716250665
If it's on Comick and it's new, then it's probably the Makai translation, which is what you want. If it includes all the color pages and has a lot of explanation of why it translated names a certain way, then it's Makai

I just don't know if Comick compresses the images (Mangadex generally doesn't), and if Comick's version of the NULL scans, which you'll need to switch to once you get past where the Makai ones are currently at, includes the end of volume bonuses: Quite a few sites cut that content out (Mangadex does not)

>>716250456
Thanks, zatchniggas are always the real ones. Ever play that gamecube fighting game where they cut content on the english release?

>>716252891
I played the actual localized version when I was a kid, I haven't sought out the JP release

>>716230134
This was without a doubt my favorite Brago moment. It showed he actually cared about Sherry and her goals and it's honestly believable that Zophis would comply instead of having to face a pissed of Brago in the demon world.

>>716251159
That's what I was saying. I would have gotten more into it but I read Zatch Bell when I was a kid, so I forgot everything except the characters and how I feel.

>>716252965
jp version is sick because ponygon actually has spells

>>716251189
Suzumebros...

>>716253569
...Damn, he really is just called "Horsegon", huh?

>>716252981
Massive power move that doesn't undermine his badass personality and still communicates he cares about Sherry, yup. That's why I'm saying he's the perfect anime edgy boy, he's just the purest example of it as a positive trait.

might read this, been looking for a shonen to mindlessly binge that wont trigger me and i remember watching this shit a LOOOOONG time ago, back when renting dvds from the library was still an actual thing people did.

i remember i wanted to do this a while ago too, but for some reason i put it off, i dont remeber.

for ages now, ive been searching for a "deep" shonen. with complex characterization and decent themes. Im fine with slice of life and such, but sometimes i want my cake and to eat it too. I want both cool superpowers and fights, and good character writing and complex themes.

I havent been able to find that, ever since highschool still. But the day I do, ill believe in manga and anime again. Until then, the medium isnt really worth it. Its too tropey, and not self aware. Or rather. Its self aware the way an Autistic person is self aware. Of the fact that their actions and behaviours may result in them having no friends, but they cant help themselves. Theyre too dumb to care.

>>716241456
If you haven't gone into a coma again, read the manga.

>>716254491
The only one that would be the hardest to nail down is complex themes. Shonen are shonen typically because their theming isn't overly complex. There may be some moral dilemmas and questioning and philosophies, but anything further than that will require a more complicated story, which is why seinen exists. As far as I know, there is no shonen that has gone on that level. Maybe some tried, but I guarantee they're probably some of the stupidest shit out there filled with nonsensical beliefs from the author and japanese writing tropes.

>>716254491
Gash Bell is not that "deep" but it's really sincere, to a campy degree. Both when it gets cool, when it gets serious, and when it gets stupid. Literal power of friendship and determination, but it might get a pass, because emotions are part of what makes the power levels work. Also it features lots of scenes of characters crying and such kind of sentimentality, I've seen it get old for some people. In my humble opinion it also has some really great and fun fight scenes, really strategic, and some great team ups, as the series goes along. So tldr: I don't think it's very deep it's more like, an incredibly straightforward power shonen with way above average execution for what it's trying.

>>716251189
Huh? Tio is 100% amazon pressing Gash, though.

>>716255084
Gash is for patty

Lots of folgore love but where is the sunbeam love?

>>716254491
Gash/Zatch Bell is fantastic, but I wouldn't really call it deep: It revels in traditional battle shonen tropes and executes them wel with a genuine sense of passion and fun, you can tell the author is doing them because he loves it and not just to check boxes, but it's not particularly subversive in a meaningful way

Like, there's things that are subversive about it: Gash/Zatch as a character isn't trying to be the best, for example: He wants to win the title of demon king, but that's just because he wants to end the fight/contest, he doesn't care if he loses if one of his friends who is also willing to be a kind king wins instead. But in practice that nuance doesn't really impact the overall narrative structure much.

There's absolutely some smart thematic writing and setup, mainly in relation to how the series leverages interpersonal relationships and bonds as a source of mutual growth: Each demon is partnered with a human who reads their spellbook to allow them to use attacks, and each character pair has a different dynamic that plays into their development: Gash/Zatch is a naive hyperactive kid and his partner Kiyomaro is a jaded teen genius, so they teach each other optimism and doing what's right and maturity/being grounded respectively. The rival pair Brago and Sherry respectively sees humans and demons as a weaklings and a liability, and destructive threats to be eliminated respectively, but they gradually win each other's respect, etc. Even the way characters unlock new spells is tied to moments of character growth and what the spell does is sometimes linked to what kind of growth it was.

But ultimately that kind of theming is mostly beneath the surface and a broader undercurrent that informs the whole series, rather then playing into the actual story arcs and events or the role of major characters within it's plot. There is SOME of that too, but it's easy to miss and I can't quite clarify without spoiling stuff.

>>716255359
Gash still has no idea wtf she is

>>716254837
>but anything further than that will require a more complicated story, which is why seinen exists.
nah lol, i understand why you think this, i thought this at 17 years old, but nah, seinen can be just as dumb if not dumber.
the deepest anime ive ever watched was centered completely around highschool students. yes, it wasnt shonen, but the point is it wasnt seinen either.
i guess theres that manga about the rotation of the earth that was actually really good, but i dont know if that was seinen either, doesnt give me that vibe, but it could be an exception

>>716241821
this shit made me tear up, you can perfectly see it coming but it's so well done that it still works

>>716193704
The anime has a lot of fucking filler.
Like a LOT. Its bad.

I prefer the english dub

>>716256093
>dub changes the opening
Irredeemable trash.

>>716255570
>>716254491
To continue since I ran out of space:

In short, there's thematic stuff there if you look for it and analyze it in terms of the overall premise of the series and how it ties into the power system or the relationship between it's characters and their goals, but the actual story progression is generally not dictated or impacted much by those thematic parallels or contrasts: They generally just dictate the motives and relationships of characters in terms of why they want to win the battle royale that the whole series revolves around, or who they ally with or against, etc.

I'll also clarify that even if the overall narrative isn't really complex or influenced much by the themes and arcs of it's characters, that doesn't mean that there's not emotionally driven moments and dynamics: The characters themselves feel very fleshed out and have great interactions, and perhaps it's best attribute as a work is how well it does tonal contrast between light moments of comedy, slice of life sequences, and corny power of friendship stuff, and gut wrenching emotional moments: The series has more humor and more of an absurdist tone then a lot of battle shonen does, and really plays it's cheesey friendship theming straight, but it feels genuinine and earned because there's also way more real emotional moments then a lot of other manga in the genre, and those darker moments are more impactful because there's more of the lighter moments in turn.

The art is also excellent, the fights are very tactical and strategic, and it manages to make good use of it's whole cast, has increasingly tight pacing even towards the end, etc. The only real flaw it has is that the early weekly-villain/slice of life content before it shifts into bigger arcs can be repetitive and it doesn't really get it's amazing art or tactics firing on all cylinders till further in

See >>716236479 and the follow up posts for more info on where/how to read the series

>manga literally never even completed its english translation, skipping the final 8 volumes
>fucking france recently got some box set reprints of the manga

>>716190240 (OP)
Literally criminal conspiracy by editorial to suppress it for no discernible reason. Raiku even successfully sued the publishers for doing everything they could to make sure the property got as little press as possible and treating it worse than SJ treated Togashi during YYH. He straight up fully owns the IP now as a result and the sequel is a completely independent publication.

just a tip, if you are italian seek the nefnef4 translation, it's extremely well made

>>716190240 (OP)
terrible character design?

>>716195759
>Folgore
>Cowardly
A little underhanded, sure, but that's because it's how Kanchome's powers worked. He threw down with fucking demons that could topple buildings and walked that shit off, he is the Chad of Chads.

>>716254770
I did buy the first four 3-in-1s that got put out in English, but there's a lot of manga I've been reading that push it further down the backlog.
>JoJo Parts 5-6 reread (w/Viz)
>Gegege no Kitaro (new physicals)
>Kamui Vol. 1 and 2 (new physicals)
>Yaiba Volume 2 soon
>Fist of the North Star (w/Viz, final volume comes out like next month or something)
>Ranma (Viz 2-in-1s, really good new release)
>Soul Eater (have 9 of the perfect editions, only ever read the first one)
Lots of quality manga on the market right now. Probably should read Shaman King soonish, but I keep getting new shit piled ontop.

>>716236479
The anime is great to watch after reading the manga. It has even more and better gags and more cute Gash and other character moments. That there is filler is only a positive when it's more Gash.

>>716244313
>Calling Masaru decking fucking Ultimate evos stupid
You are a soulless little BITCH, that shit was kino.

>>716241932
>killed itself
You mean Disney killed it with localization somehow even shittier than Saban. Savers and Frontier are pretty good.

>>716255872
>nah lol, i understand why you think this, i thought this at 17 years old, but nah, seinen can be just as dumb if not dumber.
I never said it would be good by default. Just that that's where they WOULD be found.

>>716242896
Anyone think it’s weird she was a num but then went and had kids with Sunbeam

>>716242670
there were some changes here and there, even some filler, but nothing unbearable. Mostly around the second big arc the anime diverge from the manga due to the mangaka's hand accident, the anime staff couldn't adapt more material when raiku goes into hiatus, so they made up the last part and give it a closure (oddly enough gash VA was changed around that period due to ikue otani's maternity leave )

>>716256093
>Jimmy Neutron
>Invader Zim
What the fuck was that dub?

>Generic jobber minion character exits for dozens of chapters with barely any depth or nuance
>Suddenly in just a few to sometimes in a single page, Raiku instantly makes them likeable and memorable and makes them feel like an actual person and recontextualizes their writing up till that point

How does he do it?

These aren't even all of the examples, just the ones that easily fit within a single page or so

>>716190240 (OP)
>actual discussions
>anons sharing sources
>anons sharing passion
I didn't expect a zatch bell thread to become the best thread on /v/ but I fucking take it.

>>716261401
The occasional manga/anime thread on /v/ will always be better than the schizo threads on /a/

>>716237624
That's literally his name though, dekinai-kun.

>>716258759
Who wouldn't want to have kids with Sunbeam

>>716261591
>The occasional manga/anime thread on /v/ will always be better than the schizo threads on /a/
Fair enough lol.
It's just baffling that this thread wasn't overrun by retards and you can see a glimpse of what this site could be if people cared.

>>716237624
Zatch is a localization change(1. make it easier to work the accidental "Zakeru" into English dialogue 2. censor it for br*tish audiences), not an accurate translation

>>716190240 (OP)
I remember the dub having super annoying voices like bobobobobo

Who's this again?

>>716238754
It's a generic battle shonen but it had cool character designs which is all shonen needs. Loved it.

I bought the whole series when I was in Japan over a year ago but I've only read about 40 chapters. This thread must be a sign to pick it back up.

>>716262394
>dub

Coral Q did nothing wrong

>>716261401
Gash is just really wholesome, complete and uncontroversial for its fans, so you won't get any schizo wars shitting up its threads. No shitposting about post timeskip vs pre timeskip, about Rock Lee or Sasuke, no cucked Eren, no degenerate irony poisoned cropped porn Dragon Ball Super shittery, none of that. The most negativity this series has I guess would be Clear Note sucking and maybe, the sequel not being as good as the original, but other than that, it's just normal a series like this would beget a relatively positive mood.

>>716262428
Eskaruro Run's partner grown up. She was the only other demon partner that was female and around Elly's age.

>>716263294
The sequel's issue now is that it's still busy introducing/reintroducing characters, so the plot isn't moving anywhere anytime soon. Surely it'll pick up when they finally make a move against the invaders.

>>716263294
It's simply not known enough to attract shitposters. Surprising that mods let it go this long, though.

>>716261591
this, not only /a/ but usually anything that isn't /v/ related at all

>>716262428
how could you don't remember Fern, our Fern. After all she did

>>716263913
What would they shitpost about if it was though? There's nothing divisive enough within it, every other popcorn shonen, SPECIALLY the Shonen Jumps always have some shark jumping controversy, but I struggle to think of any such thing with Gash.

>>716263294
>pic related
I just finished Ashita no Joe 1 today man get out of my head

>>716264124
All shonen trash is the same, your personal favorite just doesn't get shitposted because it isn't famous.

>>716262806
Sub isn't any better? It's old women trying to sound like kids like Goku.

>>716264516
Yeah yeah.

Fucking pissed that I missed most of the one Zatch/Gash thread we have per year. SRPG that covers the full manga never EVER.

>>716200108
The series has the best female cast in shonen by a fucking mile, Sherry is just the most based (and even then I'd argue Cherish is tied with her).

>>716190240 (OP)
>Why didn't Zatch Bell take off as the Digimon killer?
I presume they just dubbed and licensed whatever anime they could get their hands on and hoped something would get popular

>>716263294
True, reminds me of hoshi no samidare

>>716264658
Well not really, Zatch is voiced by the Pikachu lady yeah, but the other MC is voiced by Takahiro Sakurai who just came out as sex pest but isn't a grandma at least.

>>716261591
>will always be better than the schizo threads on /a/
This is primarily because everyone who actually used /a/ left several years ago, and the majority of what remains is
>trolls (/dbs/, /opg/)
>/vg/ types (all other generals)
>/v/ crossposters (all non-general threads)
So basically, /a/ is just /v2/.

>>716230495
The most based man alive

>>716264940
>Cherish
Ted goes on and on about how wonderful she is, then you see her at her darkest hour, you'd think there's no way for her to live up to his expectations but somehow she fucking did and then some, it's fucking beautiful.

>>716265101
I will never forgive the mods for letting /dbs/ get as bad as it is.

>>716261307
This game is actually great, one of 8ing's most forgotten games but it's the best the series ever got. Great models, fun gameplay with some solid mechanics, enough bullshit to exploit to fuck around, solid OST.

>>716265625
Newfags don't remember that you literally couldn't do anything about /dbs/ from 2017-2021 (those were its "peak" years in terms of activity).
/dbs/ was (and still is) the fastest thread on /a/. It is among the most populated despite what people may want to believe, back when the IP count was around even threads from when NOTHING WAS HAPPENING (no chapter, no episode, no movie, etc.) would have at least 70 IPs. When stuff was happening? At least 140.
Anytime a mod finally tried to kill /dbs/, you know what happened? 50 threads in the catalog, instantly. What's the gameplan, filter the most well known anime franchise on the planet? Can't ban them, almost all of the rule breaking posters were already on dynamic IPs and ban evaded like it was second nature.

The only time they could kill /dbs/ was actually this year. During spring the threads were obviously dead with only about 20 actual posters. All it would've taken was a couple dedicated mods to kill it off over the course of a week, but the battle was already lost. Kill /dbs/, nothing changes because /dbs/ behaviours are already all over the rest of /a/.

>>716265101
So which five-post-per-day altchan are they using?

>>716190287
The mangaka breaks his drawing arm in real-life and it derails fucking everything

>>716266018
Nobody ever believes me when I say this, but no /a/ posters that didn't leave to 8ch in 2015 is still on imageboards. A lot of /a/ posters were already descended from forums, skype groups, and blogs. You want to know where they went after /a/?
>Twitter
This is more /m/ poster territory. I've never seen a genuine /a/ poster appear on here, but so many /m/fags are on here. That's why you'll find a lot of twitter drama if you stay on /m/ long enough.
>Discord
I have never seen so many 4chan filenames, recycled 3x3s, and specific posting styles outside of 4chan until I joined a few niche anime discord servers. And it makes sense, most /a/ posters used the board for casual shoot the shit discussion, which was the point of skype, which was the point of forums, which is now the point of discord.
>Alts
Again, the only ones on altchans are people who left for 8ch specifically. People using smug and PLW are from that exodus.
8moe houses people from the hack (nobody used moe/a/ until the hack happened, I was there).

Probably some other places, but these are the ones with the "highest concentration" I've seen.

>>716266380
>Discord
Stopped reading there. Kill yourself, interloper.

>>716266435
That's the reality of where /a/ posters went.
Nobody is going back to SA, and nobody is suddenly migrating to the MAL forums. Skype is dead, so yeah, most of them just ended up there.
People forget that /a/ posters were among the more "social" when it came to online stuff.

>>716266532
No, that's a lie you tell because you're a tranny. Please die.

>>716266532
gb2gaia

>>716265625
>>716265915
>Super was so terrible and forgettable, the "people" following it had to make their own fun
>this went on for so long they basically gave themselves massive brain damage and every depraved fetish under the sun

>>716190240 (OP)
They flashed the boys cock too much, Although I do like the series but uhhh

>>716265915
They should have gone scorched earth on them as soon as the anime ended, like /co/ did with Homestuck. Rangeban all of Latin America if you have to, I don't think it would have been excessive. I really think /dbs/ has done more damage to 4chan than anything else in history outside of the 2016 election.

>>716190240 (OP)
Digimon would have fit really well with the Zatch Bell format. Too bad no series ever tried that battle royale aproach.

>>716266736
>>Super was so terrible and forgettable
Wrong, /dbs/ got that nuts because we were having so much fun with it.

>>716266567
Based on your posting style, you didn't use /a/ much at all.
>>716266736
Nah, that didn't really have anything to do with why /dbs/ turned out the way it was.
/dbs/ was basically treated like a pro wrestling general, and doing that caused the autism to ferment. It really started with the Gohanfag vs Caulifag wars of the Universal Survival arc, a war focused solely on two characters WHO NEVER ONCE INTERACTED IN THE ENTIRE ANIME.
What followed was kind of what you describe, which was the ironic Jiren obsession, again, treating it like wrestling with him being "The Strongest", you've all seen the copypasta and some image macros related to it. From there it just kept going fueled by people trying to ape the funnier parts of the general (Jirenfagging -> Scholarposting -> Cuckposting -> Being ironically gay/into trannies (You Are Here)).
>>716266861
The /int/ threads prove that either most of /dbs/ uses VPNs or they have the greatest range of posters of any general I've seen (lots of Euros, South Americans, normal Americans, even a few Asians in there).

>>716266380
Yeah I can believe that most oldfags have gone full isolationist and discord is perfect for that, some probably took shelter in some obscure forums too.

>>716265915
Krillin posting will always be fucking funny. /a/ deserves its fate.

>>716267345
>discord is perfect for that

>>716267464
>Band together with other oldfags and make a private discord server
>if new people are allowed to join they are carefully examined for signs of being a normalfag or having brainrot
It's not that difficult

>>716268097
Enjoy your spyware namefag app designed by Mossad, you fucking retard.

>>716268152
>Enjoy your spyware namefag app designed by Mossad, you fucking retard
And you think this site is better?
Also you're talking about anime not government secrets nobody gives a fuck, get over your gangstalking complex.

>>716204680
>Wei Lu or whatever his name was and his partner are good too
Put some respect on the man's name.

>>716268426
>namefaggotry
You were never an anon, tranny who came here in 2015.

>>716267345
The vast majority of anons left forums because they became leftist echo chambers, you narrative spinning tranny/kike.

>she namefags IRL
ISHYDDT

>>716268502
>You were never an anon, tranny who came here in 2015
Yeah yeah whatever.
My point was that oldfags, which btw are middle aged man now would use a discord server and namefags exist on this site too.

>>716268854
>Yeah yeah whatever.
You're such a predictable, boring specimen that I already know which posts are yours.
>>716264849

>>716190240 (OP)
Ponygon beats the shit out of Kanchome.

>>716243302
it's legitimately fucking brilliant honestly. It
>Sets stakes while still being kid-friendly, your book is burned and you're fucking gone and never coming back, your dream of becoming king is done and your partner will live the rest of their life without you
>Adds a ticking clock element, there's only 100 demons(plus a few extra) left, and each one Gash or anyone defeats brings the final confrontation one step closer, and when there's only two left, that's it, the story is done
>Book burning lets characters have time for an emotional farewell, along with adding strategy to fights, an invincible demon can still be defeated if you ignore it and attack the book wielder, likewise INVINCIBLE FUCKING FOLGORE can be unbeaten despite having a weaker demon

Gash is so brilliant, from premise to execution, it's such a treat

>>716268989
A swing and a miss!

>>716269184
Based. It's the single best shonen of all time, it never falls into shonen traps, and the reason that noone shitposts here is because it's so unassailable, not because no one gives a single shit.

>>716269184
fucking based, it is truly the best shonen all around, kinda incredible since it doesn't rely on edge or eye candy at all

>>716263294
I fucking love how the sequel is going

>>716268426
>wtf am i looking at
>i
This is actually what you look like.

>>716195759
Our fucking HIPPO

GUYS! I THINK I CAN READ THE NEXT SPELL!!

>>716263294
I like how the sequel keeps some details like Momon saying he was going to be the smarts like Kiyomaro or Tio asking Won Lei to train her

>>716268482
It's been over 10 years since I read it. Just be surprised I can recall him at all.

>>716270163
BAOH NIGERUGA!!

I want to re-read it now, can someone help me with a good site?

>>716270163
The coveted hidden spell... Baou Niggerega!

>>716270425
Niggerega sounds exactly like an 80s shmup

>>716236096
My boy.

>>716268502
Again, I don't know why you're offering input on /a/ when you make it obvious you never used it.
You even later shit on namefags, when /a/ probably still has the highest density of namefags.
>>716268647
You're confusing 2014/15 era gamergate exoduses with /a/.
People left SA because it sucked and lowtax was a faggot, not because they disagreed with him politically. You can look through banlogs on SA on posters from ARDTW and you'll see a lot of dumb bans in the 00s and 10s (hell, moot's only logged ban on his rap sheet is for saying Envy turned into Hohenheim in the last episode of 03).

People "leaving forums because they turned into leftist echochambers" is a gamergate and 2016 thing.

>>716236883
BAI JIN MUST BE DESTROYED

>>716270401
Start from here >>716236479 and keep reading.

>>716236479
are there easy to get good quality raws?

>>716270897
https://nyaa.si/view/1417167

>>716270754
Then that explains how anime fags are extremely retarded piles of putty that you can basically mold into whatever you want. Enjoy getting groomed on discord "oldfag."

>>716271020
>hates anime
>doesn't talk to anime fans
>clearly never posted on /a/
>still LARP'd like he knew where everyone on /a/ went despite that
Why are you like this?

>>716271078
I love anime.

>>716190240 (OP)
No idea

>>716271134
I really doubt that.

>>716251189
Umagon's return was perfect though?

>>716244313
I really don't get the Savers hate, it's actually pretty good and the gimmick of the MC needing to punch the enemy digimon to evolve his Agumon is pretty cool.
Xros Wars is when the series jumped the shark for me, mostly because it removed the digimon evolution stages entirely.

>>716271153
Ok.

>>716190240 (OP)
Having a child slave isn't as universally appealing as having a little animal/monster slave

>>716255516
Our heroes.

>>716271078
Don't forget you're posting on a /v/ thread. 80% of /v/ activity is pretendng you're an authority on something you only know about from seeing other people talk about it and havng a shitfit about it

>>716271291
I genuinely woudn't be acting like this if you stupid faggots didn't think your shonen farts didn't stink. You actually don't have the same level of world building as One Piece.

>>716271401
troll fail

>>716271434
500 post admission.

>>716268426
Arguing with these creatures is pointless anon.

>>716271401
Retard.

>>716268152
>Enjoy your spyware namefag app designed by Mossad, you fucking retard.
You really weren't paying attention during the hack huh

>>716201013
Source? I loved these to in Momodo Battles on the GNC..

>>716271530
Shonen console warrior.

>>716271583
>people have normal discussions
>/v/tard feels the incessant need to turn everything into console wars and constantly bring up trannies

>>716271658
>There's nothing divisive enough within it, every other popcorn shonen, SPECIALLY the Shonen Jumps always have some shark jumping controversy, but I struggle to think of any such thing with Gash.
Try harder. I'm sure your shonen has shonen shortcomings if you admit it.

>>716271583
Reeeeeeetard.

the human traffickers are always after me
I'm very important to the spiritual realm

>>716271754
>There's nothing divisive enough within it, every other popcorn shonen, SPECIALLY the Shonen Jumps always have some shark jumping controversy, but I struggle to think of any such thing with Gash.

Mariko!

>>716271960
Whoops, looks like you can't respond!

>>716271718
You're mad at a post someone made what, eight hours ago? That's it? That's what caused you to meltdown and drone endlessly about trannies?
That's not even a controversial statement to make, simply because it's true. Every battle manga has some big moment where a lot of people go "WTF!"
>Naruto's war arc
>Bleach's Arrancar (Zeroth Espada -> Aizen trolling -> Asspull central)
>Dragon Ball's Boo arc
>Fist of the North Star 2
etc etc
You could've made the real point, which is that Gash's anime never even adapted the parts that could be considered that jumping the shark moment, but instead you sperg out several hours after the fact like a goddamn retard. You should honestly kill yourself.

>>716272000
>UHHHH IT WAS ACTUALLY EIGHT HOURS AGO CHUD, MOVE ON

>>716272074
Why do you save so many pictures of trannies

>>716272102
To own trannies.

>>716272140
Sure buddy.

>>716271505
>Arguing with these creatures is pointless anon
Yeah i know it's just that they are like bratty children and sometimes you get annoyed so much that you argue.
But yeah him not know what "what the fuck am I reading" is and that its a side wide thing (pic related is /tg/) , already shows what he is.

>>716272182
Yeah, I'm totally jacking off to these absurd clownish dipshits. You got me!

>>716272074
>>716272140
By the way, looking at your IMD5s and comparing filenames (people think the filename randomizer does anything, it's still easy to tell who is who when only two guys are posting the same image), is this all you do?
I found you in a Dragon Quest thread pretending to play Dragon Quest, now you're in an anime thread pretending to watch anime? How destitute is your life where all you can do is PRETEND to do other things on /v/.

>>716272307
Post the proof, internet detective.

>>716272000
On top of the Buu saga, GT and Super, Dragon Ball has like, a billion man-made fandom destroying buttons. Gohan, powerlevelfaggotry, underdog characters, Toriyama's writing, TFS, the female Saiyans... It's kind of incredible.

>>716272140
I mean, you own them. You own the pictures, on the drive you saved them in. So I guess you're right, you own those trannies.

>>716272350
>So I guess you're right, you own those trannies.
This is like a nigger calling me cracker. Yes, I accept what you're saying.

>>716272347
Just use the archive retard, since you have 4chanX installed you can do it yourself in two clicks.
>>716272350
I was talking of the time when Gash was a known factor in western circles (though the early 10s is stretching that). At that time, the Boo arc was generally considered (among American fans, who are being discussed here) as the shark jump moments, where muh Gohan didn't get to be the main character anymore.
Other instances from beyond that time include
>Hero Academia's War Arc
>Jujutsu Kaisen post-Shibuya
>JoJo Part 6 (this is a bit more iffy I suppose, but it absolutely applies to Japan)
>Kinnikuman Scramble For The Throne arc (this is a more western sentiment, I think Japanese fans feel more strongly about the second half of Niisei)

So many faggots on here.

FUCK YOU FAGGOTS.

>>716272596
>>JoJo Part 6 (this is a bit more iffy I suppose, but it absolutely applies to Japan)
Isn't Part 5 the divisive one? It's the one I've argued the most about online, definitely, you either love it or hate it it seems.

that was nice
off topic /v/ still the only good /v/

let's just say you're really better off not knowing what would be at risk if They caught me

>>716272350
>>716272596
And outside western fandom, there is one instance of the series becoming divisive because of a REVERSE jumping the shark moment- Kenyuu Densetsu Yaiba.
It's not translated into English (yet, there's a new official TL happening but I think it just started so you'll be waiting a while), so you don't see it at all in western circles, but the final arc is, if I recall, just a normal tournament with no special abilities or powers, just pure kendo ability, and that made it somewhat divisive among some non-English fans I talk to.
>>716272705
Part 5 is more divisive outside Japan and not for a specific jumping the shark moment, but rather just because Giorno is a dogshit protagonist with no real character or charisma, and he has zero chemistry with the cast and zero real connection to the antagonist.
But in Japan that's one of the two most popular parts, likely because the cast outside Giorno is just that strong.

it's almost funny we call them human traffickers when they're anything but

>>716272641

>>716272791
This. Until next time, Gashbros.

>>716273319
I'm going to relentlessly shitpost your next thread, doe.

>>716272791
Yeah been some time since we had such a nice thread

>>716273450
You're indian

>>716269439
>>716269727
I love great plot tools like this
Only other manga I can think of that gets inventive like this is World Trigger, where characters dont fight in their real body, but a body made out of sci-fi energy, which lets the author pull out shit like decapitations, headshots, people getting full-on bisected on the regular, but because it's a fake body you can still show it in shonen jump and you don't have to kill off a character just cause they got defeated in a cool way

>>716273498
>doe
You meant a nigger. You're a redditor, so you deserve your shitposted thread.

>>716273574
Nah you're Indian

>>716273617
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>716272791
I'm reminded more and more of that every post.

>>716273651
You're the guy so upset over his brown skin that you'd willingly try to LARP as black.

>>716273704
It was perfomative language. Much like "bros" in your post.

>>716273762
>so schizoid that he's seeing words that weren't there
Indian.

>>716273762
lol so random XD

>>716273825
No, it was actually very planned, much like your post.