>>716214804
Honestly for me it is kinda fun to play once I get going but it sucks to get there with the lack of QoL features in the UI, needing to roll for party members, needing to set up an atuo mapper, the needing to refer to outside sources for item descriptions and probably other annoying shit I am forgetting. I wish the Japs that own it would do some good remakes. I know there are some remakes, actually one of the series that needs it. But from what I've heard most suck and from what I've seen some butcher the artstyle.
>>716213761 >>716213823
It is Jun Suemi, there's a physical Japanese book of his artwrok form the series. You can find copies of it on eBay. It doesn't look like his modern work but look at the old cover art paintings he did in the 80s and early 90s and it looks exactly like those.
>>716215341
More like too bad for you that you. Too bad you'll waste your time playing gacha slop with ten year attack animations because a generic anime woman looks at the camera. I kind of doubt you've ever touched a real Wizardry game if that's what you look for in games. And that is not too bad for me, that's too bad for you.
>>716215586
i played some older wizardry, they are autismo games for fart snorting elitists
never liked them, they were simply no fun and looked and played like shit
so no, its bad for you and good for me
now, you can take your projections and shove them into your ass you faggot
>>716215210
One of those posts is a very endearing tribute post to Andrew Greenberg and Sir-Tech talking about the game coming over to Japanese when the author was young. It's cool to read.
>>716215627
No I truly am not missing out. Even one second of turn based combat like that garbage webm he posted makes it clear that even if it weren't gacha it's clearly trash. I'm not a cumbrained weeb. I have never looked at Wizardry and said "I can't play, where are the generic anime girls looking at the camera!" The fact that it's also gacha slop is the shit icing on the already unappealing cake.
>>716215803
You know what else I don't have to do? Play shit game period. I am not playing a turn based game with attack animations that long, that's garbage design. I do not have a desire to see anime girls in a Wizardry game. That is not the tone or style I want. It's bizzare how many of you are desprate to convince me to play this ass game just because I like something else, that this thread is actually about, that is really really different.
>>716215782
Cool then why are you in this thread faggot? Because you're insecure in your opinion I would guess? Like I said above, bizarre how desperate you guys are to get fans of the actual Wizardry games to accept your anime gacha slop. We don't care. We don't like it. Just accept that.
>>716215850
yeah, that is what I said, a fart snorting elitist >no you don't like my fav game? >uh, oh, opinion discarded... >snorting farts intensives
>>716215974
It's actually you who is doing that. You came into a thread about something that is realistically, not even the same series. Started posting shitting webms of anime girls and are surprised when you get told "No one cares, this looks like shit, we're posting in this thread because we like oldschool Wizardry aesthics." Then you have the nerve to get offended that you were told that. That's not even me you are replying to by the way and for the record I hardly think I am much of an elitist considering I would be the first person to describe Wizardry as "One of my favorite series I would never recommend to anyone." I get why most people don't like it.
>>716216195
I said "we" because someone else had already replied to you before I even got the chance to tell you what a dumbass you are and they continued to reply to you. >Concession accepted
Concession about what? There was never an argument, nothing can be conceded. Calling you a faggot and telling you to fuck off isn't us disagreeing. You tried to get me to play a shit game and I said "This looks like shit I'm not playing it." How exactly do I concede that? Do you think you got me to play it and I am currently secretly doing so? You're so used to using your troll bot replies you forgot that one doesn't even make sense here.
>>716216259
I've got more Wizardry art but they're mostly human stuff, so not really cool monster designs
I can post them all or just post more Jap fantasy stuff
>>716215974
There is a pretty intense level or irony in you coming into a thread celebrating old school western fantasy art, posting anime art then calling other people elitists and saying the art other people are posting is shit. Like you really have no self-awareness huh? Anon, if anyone is being a fart sniffing elitist, it's the guy that insists any game with pretty anime girls and cool anime boys with 73 belts has bad art. The fact that you are a weeb-elitist doesn't make you not an elitist.
>>716216330 >Concession about what?
are you fucking retarded and can't follow your own post?
also you started shitflinging and now you cry like some fag?
pathetic >>716216521 >the art other people are posting is shit
never said that, just that old wizardry games play and look like shit which they do and you would know it if you played them
I never said nothing about art you fart snorter
>>716216681 >ever said that, just that old wizardry games play and look like shit
So you came into a thread, insulted everyone in it, said what they like is shit and told them to play something you like instead. And you think you are not an elitist? Ok buddy whatever you say. You both supremely insecure and supremely lacking in self-awareness. Again, being an elitist about shitty anime games is still being an elitist you pathetic loser.
>>716216681
If your game is so good can you go start a thread with a webm of it and see how many replies you get? Thanks. You fully agree these games basically aren't even in the same series, so why are you in this thread?
>>716216952
nigger, can't you follow the reply chain?
I didn't start shitflinging, you can't demand polite behavior when you behave like ass so fuck off cunt >>716217001
lel, I am not desperate for attention tho, most of the thread is just you dumping and me bumping, there is maybe 5 anons here(at best)
also stop creating and fighting strawman you created in your head, that is not healthy and make you look like a moron
>>716217797
I've nearly ran out of Wizardry stuff to post now anyway
this piece is funny, because it's digital it looks a fair bit worse than all the traditional paintings from him
>>716218235
Sure, it doesn't have to be wizardry, that's just what I'm dumping. >SMT
Kaneko was definitely inspired by wizardry in some of his designs if I had to guess.
>>716218378
A lot of these were used in a bunch of games.
Fromsoftware had a whole lot of these in their older games like shadow tower, and even some in newer ones like the iron golem in dark souls 1 and fire giant in elden ring.
>>716218141 >>716218216
TCG unironically did not exist when Wizardry was popular. Magic the Gathering was the first TCG. There were card games before it and collectible card sets before it but nothing mixed the two with the idea that the game's rules could be changed by the cards people owned until Magic. Magic came out in 93, the last real Wizardry game in 92. Pokemon was the first popular TCG in Japan and interestingly enough despite being one of the world's biggest markets for TCGs, Magic has always sold horribly there.
>>716218554
That's kind of the funny thing with this series. Americans say it as kind of a goofy version of DnD with illustrations you mention, a race that basically psychic wookies, dominatrix gear as an item, etc. A lot of that didn't translate as goofy or a joke to the Japs so they always saw it as "The dark-fantasy western RPG series with brutal difficulty."
>>716218583
Yeah Wizardry is surprisingly old and trading card game surprisingly young. Most people don't realize trading card games are so young because trading cards have been around since like, the 40s when they started making baseball cards and card games are of course centuries old. It's almost kind of nuts it took so long for someone to look at collectible cards sold in packs and say "You know, you could make these for playing a game too, not just collecting."
>>716214201
I love skeleton enemies/knights so damn much. They are the embodiment of those dark fantasy stories for me. I wish some game made the last levels just a pure segment of homage for those dudes
>>716218573
alright I need to brush my teeth and shit or I'll be posting art all day. if the thread's still alive later I'll try to carry on
Magic & Mayhem is sorely underrated, has a lot of cool designs, all made in claymation and inspired by Ray Harryhausen's work
think it was this game that gave me a love for stylish UI and fantasy in general
good thread
>>716218662
Wizardry 6 and 7 are the last two with old school graphics and mechanics. 8 is ok but it came out years later and it's not really the game these arts come from. 6 and 7 are also both popular so they have mods you will want like an auto-mapper, unless you REALLY like the idea of playing old school and drawing your own map on graph paper. Also keep in mind these games expected you to play them with the manual handy, which can be tedious but it's better if you realize this. Things like item descriptions for instance are not in the game itself or are missing information. I would say look at 6 and 7 and see which one looks more appealing. Look into what QoL mods there are for the game you want, find a PDF of the manual and don't hesitate to consult a guide for things like making characters. These games are hard to get into, there should be 0 shame in looking up info on how to play them.
>>716218996
The way you keep lashing out at everyone who thinks these designs are gay and keeps telling you this clearly isn't the thread for you makes the other anon that called you insecure seem right. Like I imagine you're the kind of guy that has a chip on his shoulder because his peers made fun of him in high school for wearing a Naruto headband to school.
>>716218216 >>716218519
I mean, at its peak, sure, but the IP itself has been alive all this time. It's quite easy to get officially licensed cards nowadays, basically every mildly popular seinen gets a few prints at least, so I'm a little surprised that at no point was there enough interest for a Wizardry TCG considering how many cool designs there are, how beloved by nerds (no better potential buyers) it is, and how it's most popular in Japan of all places. >>716218996
NTA but you're calling well-respected entries of the series shit while posting art from a garbage neo-Wiz gacha spin-off. Not the most likeable anon ITT.
You can speed up the attack animations and even put the combat in autoplay if you want. I use both when dungeon exploring but will return to manual control when fighting tougher enemies or mobs with magic wielding creatures since I need to use my mage to spell-bind the enemy magic users.
You can try Dungeon RPG -Abyssal Dystopia- where you can move around the dungeon like in Wizardry Variants Daphne but when fighting enemy mobs, there are really no attack animations. So it's like Dragon Quest combat from the earlier games which is itself took inspiration from Wizardry.
if anyone's interested:
the best way to experience classic wizardry currently is Wizardry The Five Ordeals https://store.steampowered.com/app/1308700/Wizardry_The_Five_Ordeals/
it's working on wiz 1-4 rules with some fixes. it also supports user made scenarios, in which japs try to break those rules over the knee by introducing custom spells, equipment and monsters
>>716215969
you can play whatever you want
just don't act like some faggot when people give you recommendation with good intention >aiiii, somebody recommended me wizardry game in wizardry thread? I am going insane >aiaia, it have good looking girls in it? oy, I need to snort some farts to recover
seriously >no thanks, I don't play gacha
sound more cool than you whining about anime girls in a game that was endorsed by co creator of wizardry and is seen as its spiritual successor(and is actually pretty good game EVEN, EVEN, EVEN if its gacha)
>>716222126
Mostly because Japan had their own idiosyncratic thing isntead of wizardry/dnd called Record of Lodoss War.
Which was just like a modified DND campaign played by a bunch of people and dumbed down for the Japanese audience published in a magazine.
It somehow became a big franchise and their own version of it with those specific characters made for that play session.
>>716222323
Wait THAT's what lodoss war?
It's a dnd campaign?
Holy shit I never knew, I thought it started as like a videogame or a manga or an anime originally.
That's both kind of really cool how something so weird like that made by just a bunch of players who published their game records turned into a massive multimedia franchise and also kinda dumb...
>>716223720
They missed with this one. I do enjoy the old D&D art though more in the western style than the new slop and some of these are fine and get the idea well others are just meh.
>>716223824 >>716223932
Vermis is a pretty cool book. It's a players guide to a game that doesn't exist, essentially the artist imagining a game and making the art to it
>>716224173
It is new art I think compared to the other older ones, so maybe that's why.
I still think it's cool but yeah it's just an imitation so doesn't hit quite the same.
>>716224291
The modern one isn't even imitation its just standardized formula: Your art MUST look like it was pumped out on a computer to look half-painted half-computer generated, no soul, no human in it. Just make it impersonal as possible.
>>716224835
Cool illustration by someone I saw searching for one to share for Bardic Inspiration. (Literally casts spells through songs and instrument playing, duhh that's a fucking Bard in D&D.)
>>716225294
Nah, Väinämöinen, he's literally a God in Flesh type too like Gandalf (where the whole grey to white idea came from probably when the Christians depicted Väinämöinen as black due to his association with sorcery and bad stuff, foreigners = evil type thing so they made him look black in paintings, he was 100% white however) though and mostly does Bardic shit like poetry slams with opponents who try to fuck with him physically after losing a wisdom check and singing them to a swamp.
>>716225720
You can start today, start doing style studies, draw over, see how his style works, what makes his style tick. Its the 90s sort of anime art you could see in Toonami if you need more inspiration action anime, seinen manga etc of that time has a lot of that style. Don't worry about feeling weird for copying style, Japanese do it 100% and just make it their own when learning.
>>716226391
Don't think so, looks cool tho.
That's it for me, I'm out of pics and we're somewhat close to image limit so I'll go to just posting/lurking.
>>716225869
Even traditional artists copy shit all the time to learn, it's called master copying or master studying. It was an important part of apprenticeship under a master painter back in the day
>>716226561
Yep! Exactly. Only Artschoolfags will try to tell you not to study art or copy anyone ever because they don't try to teach you proper art because we got cameras for that duhh why would you want to learn to draw accurate representations? Just draw abstract lines on paper, lmao *snorts coke and farts.* Yeah that's good man.
>>716214804
I can play other Wizardry-based series, like SMT or EO or Undernauts or Variants Daphne etc., but every once in awhile I crack open Wizardry 1 and I always ragequit on floor three with all the spike traps. I just get too autistically enraged about the fact that there's no counter play except avoid the hallways, which have seemingly crazy strong enemies that have tons of AOE. Pisses me off.
>>716225996 >mystery niggas
No cooler design, it just works. I adore how menacing Werdna looks on the box art of IV. He's cool as is but the mystery nigga aura from the cover is unsurpassed.
>>716214804
I thought the first is just straightfoward enough (for ancient CRPG standards at least) to push through with some moments where I was really sucked into the game, but I bounced off all the other entries
>>716227167
Normal (Heteronormative) Sexuality wasn't seen as a great big evil yet by big corpos or foreign filth trying to destroy our societies from inside out.
>>716227430 >Art station core
I mean, the entire setting is around the time of the Belle Epoque and many of the enemies are direct creations of a painter
I guess artistic, stylish creations are to be expected from the time period of the world's fair and Art Deco >Fromsoft ripoff
You lost me there though.
>>716228384
I haven't played e33 but those weird hairy monster-people with staffs that I think like to fight or something 100% look like they were made for a fromsoft game.
If you told me they were from one I'd believe you.
>>716238116
Will do.
Oh damn he passed away, maaan
I do really like how more designery his artwork looks with all the little stippled dots, it reminds me of how the Akira cell backgrounds were painted.
But I would also kill for art with this kind of subject matter but in the highly rendered Ghibli backgrounds style they do with those nicker poster paints. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZhMGMe3SU
>>716238641
That video might not have been the best example but you know what I mean.
The usual ghibli backgrounds, they just all look so buttery smooth.
>>716237187
Would be cool if Drecom unjewed Variants Daphne before pulling the plug, but looking back on how unceremoniously Wizardry Online was killed off, I doubt it.
>>716226391
Fucking love Jun Suemi's character art in Front Mission 2, everyone in that game looks so inhumanly attractive. Even the fat old guys look good the way he drew them.
>>716227972
Honestly, having a few animeish characters with huge shoulder pads every now and then is great. But I've always been disgusted by the wacraft style where literally everyone gets that shit
>>716230810
I'm too lazy to dump hundreds of images from my collection just to prove a point but I'll do it if you provoke me. None of the western fantasy style art posted itt is either unique or original in design. It's clearly copied and inspired from 70s-80s book covers, ttrpg art, magazines, comic books and graphic novels. Probably some art books as well. >>716213865 >>716213951 >>716214059 >>716214698 >>716215210
This looks like Frazetta's art, but with medieval fantasy aesthetic instead of his typical pulp fiction stuff. A little bit of Jeff Easley as well.
