Which one should I buy / sub to?
Ignore the potato idk who that is

WoW is the only 4chancore MMORPG.

GW2 is free to play which is a massive point in the value column. There are MTX but they are quality of life stuff and you can live without them, plus you can buy gems with in-game gold. It's more "casual" than the usual MMO because there isn't really a gear grind, Ascended gear is easy to get and legendary is just cosmetic.
Never played XIV so can't comment on it

Xiv is free until level 80. You'll know if you like it or not after 2-3 hours of playing it. Most of my friends are jumping ship from it to GW2 after the recent failures stacking up, but I think that phase will only last a month or two before they come crawling back. Same thing already happened with classic wow.

>>716231224
Is 4chancore synonym with trannycore? WoW is a tranny humiliation ritual game, not straight white male plays it.

>>716230845 (OP)
Play a WoW private server if you want a decent MMO experience FF14 and GW2 aren't good anymore

subscription: wow, lotro
free or buy to play: osrs, gw2, wow private server of your choosing

>>716231509
a lot of people just have to learn to accept no one MMO is going to be their "forever game" and they've sold themselves on a false premise
XIV's had a meme for ages that you should just fuck off if you don't like what it's doing right now thanks to yoshida saying you should specifically do that and they're right

the blizztroons have arrived

>>716230845 (OP)
They are both free to an extent so try them both out first.

>>716230845 (OP)
XIV has the best

>Story
>Characters
>Music
>World
>Spectacle
>Yugiri

Of any MMO. So if you care about those, that's a really easy recommend. Speaking just from my own personal experience, I was pretty stunned playing through it at just how good the story was, because I'd set my expecations rock bottom after the previous MMO's I'd played.

I didn't think it was possible for an MMO to have a decent story, and even playing through ARR, it'd already blown out anything I'd seen previously.

>>716231224
Oldfags will remember that 4chan used to be incredibly hostile to WoW and would mock anyone trying to make threads about it.

>>716230845 (OP)
Do yourself a favor and stay away from MMOs.
If you absolutely must play one then XIV has the better story and raiding experience, while GW2 has the better open world experience. XIV has a free trial that lasts until the end of the second major expansion, while GW2 offers the base game for free and charges you for all expansions. It is highly recommended that you make use of the free trial first as XIV is an incredibly slow burn.
Community sucks in both. Befriend any normal people you find in these games and do not let go of them.

>>716232957

>>716233031

>>716230845 (OP)
You don't have to choose. They both have big, juicy trials.

Now I don't know what the story in GW2 is like today, but I played up to Icebrood Saga and everything since Path of Fire was genuinely fucking miserable.
XIV has a really nice TV-series like progression and story, and everything from ARR until Endwalker ranges from okay to excellent. The latest expansion though, is probably the worst fiction I've ever seen. Even without considering budget to quality. It makes your average fanfiction work look like a masterpiece.

>>716233120

>>716232723
>XIV has the best
>World
Bait used to be believable

>>716230845 (OP)
They both barely get any content updates to be honest. GW2 is doing micro expansions and the last two were legitimate ass, the upcoming one will at least add new elite specs which is something decent. But either way compared to WoW you get drip fed new content. Like waiting 3 months for a 25 minutes of new story that's mostly listening to NPCs talk.

That being said, unlike WoW content never goes bad, and if you're a new player you have like 12 year worth of stuff to play through that's all mostly still relevant with rewards that are still meaningful.

>>716232723
>>716232870
>>716233145
Samefag jeet

>>716230845 (OP)
play everquest on THJ server

>>716233297
name a single game that does an immersive world better. inb4 world of square mountains and themepark zones cultist babble

>>716233145
>The latest expansion though, is probably the worst fiction I've ever seen. Even without considering budget to quality. It makes your average fanfiction work look like a masterpiece.
It's not that bad, it's only miserable compared to the rest of XIV.

Like, if say Heavensward is a 9/10 and Stormblood is a 7/10, while your standard WoW Expansion is a 2/10 for story. Dawntrail would be a 5 or 6/10.

>>716233297
It definitely has one of the most consistent worlds, it helps that it laid out ground rules for how aether, magic, player power and even level-ups work in-universe and the only alteration to those rules since 1.0 and ARR has been Dynamis, which itself is just an explanation for the Limit Break system

>>716233556
It's not worth replying. There's no other MMO with as consistent and as fleshed out a world as XIV.

Just the fact that XIV doesn't constantly have the story and world upended by retcons alone is enough to ensure it's got the best world. Because the things that were true about the world in ARR are still true about them in DT.

>>716230845 (OP)
Guild Wars 2 is the best MMO content/money wise.
It's very casual, but that isn't really a detriment since you won't suffer under much fear of missing out yet there is still a ton of content. And thanks to downscaling to zones and servers combining populations, even old maps are never empty.

Story is ehh, but I suggest your first character to be a Sylvari since the overall base game and first expansion kind of have their focus.
Path of Fire is a must for the mounts, End Of Dragons is absolute garbage, Secrets of the Obsbscure is them trying something new, but Janthir Wilds was surprisingly fun since they actually learned something of Soto.

>>716231312
>GW2 is free to play which is a massive point in the value column.
Isn't it just core Tyria which is free to play? And core Tyria is by far the worst content in the game, enjoy your 15 renown hearts full of pointless busywork per map.

>>716233637
I don't know how bad WoW has it because I haven't really played it since WotLK and a bit of WoD. I can't really compare the quality of Dawntrail to current WoW so by a purely individual assessment I'll have to insist that you're fucking wrong. It really is that bad.
It's not only bad compared to the other expansions, it's unfathomably shit purely on its own merits. It's downright offensive that something like that actually got published.

>>716233556
NIGGER THAT PIECE OF SHIT IS A BARREN WASTELAND THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THE """WORLD""" IS FOR YOU TO CLICK SPARKING DOGSHIT ON THE GROUND AND WATCH UNVOICED NPCS DO STOCK EMOTES AS YOU'RE BEING PINGPONGED AROUND LIKE A RETARDED FAGGOT THROUGH FILLER TRASH
KILL YOURSELF

>>716233917
I mean f2p as in "no sub", you have to buy the game and the expansions

>>716230845 (OP)
>XIV: Tab target MMO, heavily story focused, lots of Jobs but Job variety is kind of in the toilet right now. Non-existent overworld, 95% of the content is instanced. Zones can be pretty but some of the older ones are kind of rough.
>GW2: Action Combat/Hybrid MMO (has tab targetting but much faster), heavily story focused, good amount of Classes and each one does have fairly distinct playstyles. The whole game is basically the overworld, to the point they basically stopped making dungeons and only rarely add raids. Some truly exceptional zone design even in the starting areas. Heart of Thorns zones are fucking amazing.

>>716233986
posts that spiritually have xenosys_vex's dumb bald ragebait head on the thumbnail

>>716231224
i'd sub if WoW looked like that
but we both know it's a disney tranny game now

>>716233995
That's generally referred to as 'buy to play', but either way I quit the game when they added the Astral Acclaim system and it became a daily/weekly chore simulator. I got enough daily/weekly chores in real life, don't need them in my video games too. If that doesn't bother you it's a lot of content for the money (albeit of varying quality), easily hundreds of hours.

>>716234114
Fuck that fag he actually likes Dawntrail.

>>716234239
in this moment you and he are aligned

write the 5000th clickbait video about wuk lamat since i guarantee that's your problem and not graphic quality, map design, raid content, battle content, or music

>>716233556
I can't name a game with a worse world. From its predecessor in XI, runescape, GW2, WoW, all implement the world in better ways.
The design is horrible, the areas are uninspired, there's nothing to explore, no meaningful activities to do, it's all split in instances, the world never changes, mobs are placed extremely unnaturally in clusters reusing recolored old models that make zero sense and they just stand there doing nothing, the world just serves as a vehicle to fill in time between talking to NPCs for the story.
>B-but see, this crater here shows how the land was devastated by a calamity 10 years ago!
Lol ok, even if that's how low our standards are, every game has those. In fact, lots of games introduce meaningful changes to old or current zones as the world progresses and events happen.

>>716234410
Yes, my issue is with the story. That and how they continually fuck casual content by making class design so bland that everything that isn't Savage+ becomes completely miserable.
But no, is not just Wuk. It's literally everything. Zoraal'jak, Speen, the stupid fucking beast tribes, how it's been so relieved of all edge that the thing is practically like a perfect molecular sphere, the HACK fucking writing where nothing progresses organically and everything is just a BIT too convenient. TACOS TACOS TACOS RUBBER FUCKING BULLETS, KOALA AND THE COW DO I REALLY NEED TO FUCKING GO ON

It's shit, you're shit, fuck you.

>>716234579
largely this boils down to "sidequests aren't the main leveling method, the main story is"
the main story influences pretty much all world and map design

>>716234000
I play guild wars 2 a lot and it's just a tab target MMO with a shitty UI for targeting allies so almost every healer is primarily based around healing pbaoes. I don't know why people try and pretend it's some kind of hybrid game, it's literally just tab target, a lot of things can be used while moving, your 1 skill is a spammable auto attack stand-in, a lot of attacks cleave, but it's still is literally just tab target. Obviously there's the action cam mode, however playing that way is worse than tab target imo, especially in pvp.

And I'm writing this as someone who enjoys "tab target" it's the best way to design an MMO. GW2 would actually be better if it has an improved UI and better ally targeting skills. As it is now, supports and healers are the most mindless play style that exists in any MMO, especially considering they have no mana to worry about. Just spam your aoe heals endlessly.

>>716234000
They're back to adding raids, there's new ones coming in the next expansion, and they added ones in Janthir.

>>716230845 (OP)
both are fucking atrocious but at least gw2 doesn't ask you to pay every month for the privilege of eating shit

WoW and BDO are the only mmos worth playing

Speaking of MMO:s, have anyone tried "Corepunk" yet?
I thought it looked unique, being top down view and all, but it's early access and 33 dollars cheapest, so I decided it's not worth it yet.
I ain't paying to play alpha & beta versions

>>716234225
GW2 has had dailies as long as I've been playing, it even had more dailies before the Wizard Vault thing because each Living World map, expac and game mode each used to have its own dailies, now it's all consolidated

>>716234893
I play exclusively action cam, and almost exclusively WvW, the only trouble I have is with cross-ups where projectiles don't fire for whatever reason

>>716235115
>BDO
the korean graphics-whore MMO?

>>716234893
Probably because non-hitscan attacks have real hitboxes and projectiles, and so many attacks are ground targeted skill shots.
It's tab target, but the actual combat mechanics play out with more involvement than back end number calculations. There's a little bit more to combat on a technical level than basic health bar draining.

>>716235115
>XIV and GW2 are shit
>WoW is somehow good and worth playing
>And BDO too

>>716233987
>couldn't name a single game
lmao!

>>716235179
I'm not surprised, most WvW players are zerglings that will die immediately like a gazelle the moment they're separated from the boonball

>>716235272
Gw1 had "real" projectiles that you could dodge or obstruct. I wouldn't call it any action hybrid.

>>716235187
the ugly greasy gook artstyle is probably the worst part about it but it has good combat and probably the best life skilling and secondary systems of any mmo on the market

>>716235115
No MMO is.

>>716234579
>lots of games introduce meaningful changes to old or current zones as the world progresses and events happen.
no they don't

>>716235316
osrs, wow, lotro

>>716235486
retard really namedropped the same game the other anon inb4'd
embarassing

>>716235331
I mostly solo roam

>>716234579
>lots of games introduce meaningful changes to old or current zones
wow's original two continent have been full of deathwing's shit and cum for twice as long as they existed without it
stratholme has been on fire for 23 years
try again

>>716233556
>calling anyone a cultist while praising XIV's dogshit barren world whose only purpose is to be a backdrop for cutscenes or sitting in queue

FFXIV is the best MMO right now

>>716235621
>your cultist status is soooo big that mine doesn't even count
Maybe we should just drop this as a buzzword

>>716235621
oh sorry let me ride the "kill 10 quillboar" daily ride before i ride the "click on 5 sparkling objects" ride, that sure is so much better
kys blizztroon

>>716235668

>>716235416
Fair enough, just saying how it is. GW1 lacked melee hitboxes though, it was more traditional. And you couldn't swing in the air without a target and cleave through stuff with your autos.

>>716235702
correct, doing something in the world is better than not doing anything

>>716235668

>>716235776
I do stuff in the world all the time though, I mine and chop trees, go treasure mapping, hunt trains.

uh oh the loony blizztroonies are throwing a tantrum again! did blizzard release another black lives matter quest?

>he's still at it
AIIIEEEE ZODIARK
UNEMPLOYMENT
TRANCE!!!

>>716232183
>WoW private server
So your definition of a 'good' experience is getting groomed by troons 24/7?

despite everything wrong with current Blizzard I still think WoW has the best gameplay

>>716235668

>>716230845 (OP)
GW2 gameplay is peak but you need to stomach le quirky female empowerment UN avengers energy in xpacs after HoT
FFXIV idk I dont play e-whore weeb shit
WoW if you are tranny and dont wanna ACK! yet
Korean crap if you are into findom

>>716235896
guy who is eerily susceptible to being groomed by transsexuals:

>>716236051
>calls WoW tranny shit
>shills for "beat up the bigot: the game"
thread theme: https://youtu.be/zjedLeVGcfE

>>716236028
> Steam numbers for a game that doesn't really use the steam launcher

I don't know why people keep trying to do this, its crazy

>>716230845 (OP)
FFXIV has an expanded free trial up to level 80 that includes the first two expansions with no restriction on playtime, as a few said thats the best route to take. You could try it for months without ever paying, and nows the time when theres no queues to get into servers

>>716236242
>only those that play on steam are quitting

>>716236147
hit a nerve eh? I said the theme is kiked, but at least the gameplay's good unlike every other wow clone (including wow)

>>716236028
impressive; very nice.
now let's see wow and gw2's steam numbers

>>716236147
Where are the bigots in WvW?

>>716236242
>queues to get into servers
lol
lmao even
I bet you get cucked out of playing the game on maintenance days as well

telling someone to play xiv is borderline gaslighting lmao
"yeah bro just click on npcs and watch 400 hours of cutscenes 90% of which are complete shit before the game gets good"

>>716236301
what gameplay? zerging bosses down while you press your 4 buttons?

>>716236370
We're back to ARR numbers baby!
#winning #blessed #thankyouyoshida

daily reminder xiv's engine can't handle solid collision between two moving solid objects, other than a couple dungeons that use tricks to simulate elevators, the world is 100% static and soulless

>>716236495
>cherrypicking a number from an obviously fucky part of a graph
i know wowtroons can't read but not being able to read graphs is a new low

>>716236297
> Quitting

How many times does this old man have to tell you, my god

PLEASE unsubscribe from his game and come back when something new comes out

>>716236468
Unironically yeah get through the base game and the game gets good, why do so many people have no follow-through man just buckle down

>>716230845 (OP)
wait for SoJ

>>716236641
>the base game
the entire game is like this

>>716236641
which parts of the game get better?

>>716236480
>zerging bosses down while you press your 4 buttons?
maybe go a little than just killing tutorial world bosses in level 15 starter areas?

>>716236909
>it gets better another 5000 hours in trust me bro
so your game is shit just like xiv, good to know

FFXIV because you don't need to play the game.
And when you have sex in ffxiv you have sex in real life because you are your character

>13 years
>0 downtime, 0 patch days
shills cannot refute this
>>716236997
>why is this game not dark souls in the tutorial zone
retard, you can get to lvl 80 in less than 4 hours, jump straight into all other content

>>716237067
final fantasy xiv hanger-on who just learned that the game has ERP and believes it never existed before final fantasy xiv

>>716237214
it's particularly gay ngl tho

>this thread again
gentlemen, please; you MMO players are all equally transgendered

>>716237214
>before mare/nightlife
>erp was tasteful text fuckers
>now it's modbeasts who sit around ul'dah doing nothing for 12+ hours a day
>the game is dead every outside of aether
15k open houses btw~

Our thread anon is making the zivvies seethe with his videos.

>>716230845 (OP)
none, they all suck ass

>>716237128
>0 downtime, 0 patch d-ACK

>>716231224
based wow wonnered

>>716235668
>FFXIV is the best MMO right now
ok groomer

FFXIV is a great Single-player/Coop story focused JRPG.
Its effectively like playing several FF games back to back. Think of the expansions like seasons of a Show but it takes playing and tolerating the bland first season for it to start getting good.
Music is also amazing.
But once yup get to the actual MMO part (after several hundred hours) its kinda ass.
The only truly good content in FFXIV are the boss fights. All combat outside of boss fights feels like ass.
And the open world is completely dead and only serves a purpose as a backdrop for the story.
At best you may meet new players leveling alts jobs in the starter zones but the world is completely dead.
Also your character can be any class in the game and you can swap whit a single button press once you save loud-outs.
There also also no builds in the game so one set of gear is basically good for all the classes that share it.

GW2 has a somewhat mid often generic Fantasy story that often feels like a cheesy American comic book but its still slightly above average for an MMO.
But jt the bright side it feels like an actual MMO from start to finish apart from the solo story instances.
While most mass player MMO fights feel like complete clusterfucks the core game loop of GW2 is way more rewarding and fun.
It also has some fun boss fights but nowhere near as good as the ones in FFXIV.
GW2 also has an actual sense of exploration and rewards you for exploring it has an actual fun open world and this is also probably the its main selling point compared to FFXIV.
It also has progression that basically ensures almost all of its open world zones see people actually play in them.
You can only be one class per character but you can swap classes freely at a press of a button but you will need actual gear for alt builds.
You will also need to have 9 characters to be able to play every class in the game. But a lot of progression mehanicks in GW2 are account wide.

I like the plant people because no other MMO race lets you play with colors this much.

>>716230845 (OP)
guild wars 2 is free to play with no monthly fee, you might as well try it

I dislike how Necromancer is the most fun and the most broken class in the game. But it makes sense because everytime I've seen a dev in the game they're playing necromancer

>>716237923
oh no no no no

FFXIV is a better game if you like to play in bursts and dont want to no life it.
As the only no life rewards in FFXIV are some rare mounts.

GW2 is a better game if you want to autisticly no life a single game. You dont have to thou its an option.
GW2 has some insane rare shit you can no life for but its totally optional as all content van be beaten even using Exotic gear which is easy to buy on the marketplace for cheap and ascended gear is also easy to get over time.
Only legendary gear (which has the same stats as ascended only it has visual effects and has some extra QOL perks) requires grind.

GW2 is great if you've never played it. It's not a game you can play forever because the updates are small and slow. However, there is still a lot of fun stuff I wish I could experience for the first time again.

>>716236564
eveey day i learn about a new and even stranger deal-breaker somebody has for fino fanto

GW2 needs a 2025 overhaul
graphics
animations
UI

>>716236564
>meanwhile, in OTHER GAME

>>716232723
>gameplay not on the list
grim

>>716236564
Chat is this true?

>>716230845 (OP)
GW2 has half the population running around as sparkly unicorns with blinding levels of cosmetic effects. Yet I played FF14 for half an hour and somehow that game was even gayer

>>716240574
xiv at least has pretty looking female characters

i might try GW2
i have like 1.5k hours in XIV
and more in WoW (from when it was good)
GW2 looks pretty and not paying a sub sounds nice

>>716240485
Why do you think fall guys in xiv is like it is and why everyone was skeptical when it was announced. Or why every dash and knockback is in reality a teleport with an animation.
The implementation of the vertical axis is also all sorts of fucked up, they just hide these things well so that you don't realize how lacking the engine is.

>>716240063
In my opinion it really doesn't. It mostly just needs some optimization, specifically for large scale events and big WvW battles. I think the art style and overall aesthetic of the game is really good personally, I love the way the game looks.

>>716240978
>Fallguys had no collision
You know what you convinced me with that alone, I thought it was complete bullshit that in the FallGuys even you couldn't troll other people by holding them back like in the actual game, but now it all makes sense.

>>716237923

>>716241176
yes it does
the ui is horrendous
the lighting and textures are from 2014

Can you do some interesting stuff with the base game? I've bought it at release, but never got into it and flushed it.
Well assuming I can my account still exists, I remember the email address and I manage to reset it...

>>716240978
collision in fall guys is the least of the game's worries
by the time the event rolled again the second time people were already botting the entire event
this entire game is infested with cheaters and it only gets worse as more and more normies realize there's literally no system to discourage you, let alone punish, cheaters

>>716240205
>>716236564
meanwhile, in GW

>>716241632
people were cheating to get first place in the fall guys event. It's actually funny because the cheating went up around the same time the WoWfugees came as did all the ultimate "clears"
>>716242089
GW2 engine is actually really nice. It's awesome to be able to run behind an object and a projectile hits that object.

>>716242089
big L
i want to play MMOs not a world's most crippled platformer

Play one of them till you get bored. Then try the other till you get bored again. Neither of them will capture you unless you get friends/meet one in there.
You'd honestly get a much better experience playing a single player rpg.

>>716242227
(This guy thinks an MMO is when you queue into a square floating in a void with 7 other people and hit a training dummy for 4 hours)

>>716242598
NEVER accuse me of being a xivtroon EVER again

the times they are a changin', used to be WoW was the MMO punching bag

GW2 has the best mounts of any mmo.

>>716243004
Still is, but it has a friend now.

>See thread
>Civil discussion
>Leave for a bit
>Come back
>The guy who seethes about XIV doing better than XVI is dumping his folder again
As expected

>>716243004
?
wow was always the king of mmos. still is

>>716243162
Shame about the GW Bush era glowies in its staff

>>716233917
>enjoy your 15 renown hearts full of pointless busywork
that's literally the only reason to play an MMO these days, you're tired of life and just want a checklist with a chatroom attached

>>716243260
i don't care about your leftist obsession with dehumanizing people who don't agree with literally everything you do
it's the better game, it's the most responsive game, it's the only game that respect your sub fee. simple as

>>716243162
WoW is irrelevant until classic+ comes out. Dragonflight and TWW are just as bad as Shadowlands and BFA, they just paid the shill YouTubers more. It's just time to realize retail will never be good again, it's forever stuck into seasonal slop.

>>716243004
People got a taste of the good juice with XIV and now the WoWfags are desperately trying to control the narrative.

>No, you shouldn't care about having a consistent story, world, and set of characters in your MMO
>It's perfectly fine that every boss is just "[Character] went crazy!"
>Why do you care the the Devs keep adding pozzed shit to the game!?
>It took more than a decade for WoW to add housing, and that's fine!
And so on.

>>716243162
WoW was always known as the casualized shitter MMO for those of us who actually played MMOs when it came out. It's the king of MMOs for normalfags who hate the fundamentals of MMOs and shouldn't have been playing MMOs at all but got caught up in muh cultural phenomenon and then permakilled the genre.

>>716243423
still better than anything else on the market.

>>716243470
>nooooo how dare you allow your players to do something other than live and breathe the game i don't have anything going on in my life i must spend every waking moment on the game
what a strange thing to say. guess xiv just have no self awareness, only way someone can justify paying rent for their virtual house

>>716243382
Anon Ion's legal team that he turned back to for the union busting attempts after all the Cosby Suite stuff was involved in torture scandals and government cover ups

I'm not a SJW, there's simply no level of MMO apologia that will make me give money to human feces like that

>>716243478
True that's why all of the WoW streamers are playing RuneScape now

and also ESO exists

>>716243641
>always known as the casualized shitter MMO for those of us who actually played MMOs when it came out.
>guess xiv just have no self awareness
Do you think XIV is older than WoW somehow? Huh?
>nooooo how dare you allow your players to do something other than live and breathe the game
This is exactly what I'm talking about, you think MMOs are supposed to be about grinding up to current item level or something, rather than having a fantasy world to spend your time in and live a second life.

>>716243736
"It exists" is the most positive thing I can say about it

>>716243656
god damn i don't give a shit about your witchhunts and purity rituals
touch grass sometimes you terminally online loser

>>716230845 (OP)
if you were genuine, which you aren't
They both allow you to play for free for a time
Decide for yourself

>>716243827
DAS RITE! We respect glowniggers around here! God bless America and God bless the CIA! Who's with me fellow right wingers?!

>>716236370
I will fight against the schizo
honestly decent numbers for a 10 year old "port"

>>716243827
blizzard's least shameless paypig

>>716243736
unfortunately

>>716243906
The steam release came like a decade after the release and for some reason it can't be linked with your original account so you would have to start anew. Thus no one plays there.

>>716244169
same shit as XIV, nobody wants their login to rely on steam's uptime or run a launcher to run a launcher.
either of these arguments kills the wowtroon's narrative though

I stopped playing FFXIV because I bought it on Steam and I can't use the standalone launcher for whatever fucking reason.

>>716244169
You can play with your original account with a command line which is what I do. I like how Steam keeps track of time played, desu. I also launch it through Special K so I can get VRR to work with Blish HUD

Nothing comes close desu

>>716244449
just use XIVLauncher
typing your password and 2FA key every fucking time you log in from the same machine is a humiliation ritual in 2025

>>716230845 (OP)
wow is better than both of those.
if you want a worse version of wow but without a sub play gw2.
if you want 100% free and worse version of wow check out rift and lotro.
if you want to erp play ziv, the gameplay is on par with trash like rift and lotro.

>>716245371
Never going to use a third party tool that is maintained by this community especially after the gshade fiasco. Last thing I need is to wake up and realize my machine is now filled with malware because someone crashes out.

>>716245510
a blizzjeet is talking
listen and learn

>>716245619
xivlauncher is open source and hashes passwords if you save them for one-click logins

>>716233031
>Lalafell look like fucking children and lusting after them is fucking gross.
>Momodi is lusting after me and wants to fuck me all night.

Well great, I guess I'm a pedo now.

>>716246098
momodi has a thick red bush so it evens out

>>716231312
>GW2 is free to play which is a massive point in the value column.
>MUH BASE GAME IS FREE
Nothing more than a trial, not to mention being unable to even do shit like whisper people for extended periors of time or talk in region chat. Kill yourself, guildtranny. Sick of your pathetic underhanded attempts to rope in retards with this misrepresentative hogwash about F2P.

>>716230845 (OP)
Neither

>>716233917
>core Tyria is by far the worst content in the game
it's better than Gyala Delve or SOTO

>>716246023
xivlauncher also connects to their servers (to check for any updates). There's nothing stopping someone on the project from uploading a version with a malicious redirect that allows a man-in-the-middle attack.

>they can't do that, it's open source

Do you review the source code of everything you run/install every update? Do you really think everyone does?

Sure, it'll probably get caught rather quickly and patched out, but there will be some damage done. Do you really think it won't happen after the whole GShade fiasco? You really think some holier than thou snowflake on the team won't ever have a meltdown over some petty internet beef and nuke everything?

You really trust your account credentials with these people? That they won't steal your Gil? Or log into Mogstation and buy a ton of shit from the cash shop (remember, if you do a chargeback SE perm-band you)?

I'm just waiting for it to happen and SE has to go nuclear on third-party launchers which will murder the whole mod scene. The end will come, and it will be glorious!

>>716247848
>There's nothing stopping someone on the project
Bro I've been using this software since Stormblood. You're getting mad at hypotheticals you yourself admit are incredibly unlikely to impossible because it requires one staffer with git authorization to push a malicious update. Keep waiting for it to happen and keep talking yourself out of QoL software you're too lazy to check the source for but too paranoid to not be concerned about

>>716246794
The metas in SotO aren't even bad, I have no idea what people want. The complete 3rd map is pretty fun to run through. I did a full run of the 3rd map for the event and it was fun. People complain that the last boss just sits in the middle but almost every open world boss in GW2 boss just stands there... Way better than Janthir Wild's final map

>>716240751
If you get to the point of buying expansions before the next sale comes, probably in August iirc, then either hold off 'til the sale or buy one of the newer cheaper expansions like Secrets of the Obscure. Reason for this is that the first 3 expansions and the "Living World" psuedo-expansion stuff around them get bundled in the Complete Elder Dragon Saga pack, normally for $100 but goes on sale for $50. If you buy the pieces of that pack separately you can't buy the pack anymore and you'll end up spending like $150 to get it all. Even at $100 though that pack is a really good deal in my opinion, but there's still 3 more expansions after that even so might as well save what you can. It's a fuckton of content to get through so try not to feel rushed, especially because old content is still just as populated as new shit for the most part.

>>716248825
Eparch meta is genuinely one of the best in the game in my opinion. Massive raid on a demon castle? Hell yeah.
I do wish Eparch himself did more in the fight but I also can't imagine how badly that would go over with the GW2 playerbase.
My even hotter take is that rift hunting is a good side grind, even makes you a lot of money if you actually take 20 seconds to understand game systems (namely map bonus rewards in this case). Weaponmaster training etc is awesome too, I like actually making and tweaking builds. Overall SotO is a good expansion for $25 in my opinion.

>>716248247
>i've been trusting my account credentials to literal whos for 10 years
>nothing bad has happened yet
>surely no one on the team of turbo autists (who do it for free) will never get into an internet epeen contest over something retarded
>surely everyone involved on this project is a morally upstanding citizen and won't do anything to jeopardize the project forever in a single moment of lapsed judgment
>it's not like this has ever happened before

Why don't you give them your credit card info too so they can pay your account for you? Wouldn't that be a nice QoL change? You trust them, don't you?

>>716250432
You're wasting your energy trying to explain simple things like this to golems with normalcy bias.

>>716250432
tl;dr

>>716250753
>calls someone too lazy to read the entire source code for a piece of software he "trusts"
>pretends he can't be bothered to read 6 short lines of text
lmao

>>716251065
meds

>>716251302

>>716251302
concession status?

>>716251302
>you expect me to read 6 lines of text? you've had a little too much to think chuddy! have you even taken your expert approved SSRIs today??

Nobody's posting smallman WvW webms

>>716251441
>meds
>OH SO YOU'RE CALLING ME A CHUD HUH
What is this posting phenomenon

>>716251672
You forgot what you posted already? >>716248247

>>716251984
Nobody called you a chud albeit

>>716252064
SSRI-kun, there's an image attached to that post.

>>716252102
Stretching the premise past it being funny or interesting, unless you're serious, then it will loop around back to being schadenfreude

>>716252580
SSRI-kun, can you tell me what this image is?

>>716252648
Not interested
End of reply chain

>>716252741
Concession status?

>>716230845 (OP)
Do you want to play an ERP simulator?
Or a kind of boring linear RPG thats mostly played solo?
Those are your options.

I dont understand why people here dicksuck gw2 combat. To me it feels abysmal. The weird action/tab target hybridization feels floaty as fuck. Maybe its because I played ranged idk

>>716233801
accurate post
>t. EoD made me drop the game

>>716230845 (OP)
>ignore the potato idk who that is
You know goddamn well what youre doing OP you cocksucking faggot.

Is GW2 the only MMO where you play as a Warrior with a Bow/Gun?
WoW used to until they removed..
Heck, I think GW2 is the only MMO that allows the option to effectively play Range or Melee on every class?

>>716254058
>Heck, I think GW2 is the only MMO that allows the option to effectively play Range or Melee on every class?
Technically yes, but in practice it's always best to be stacked with your squad on top of the target. You can do whatever you want in 99% of open world content but in anything organized you are expected to stack with the group. Boons have a limited radius, nobody wants the bosses jumping and spinning all over the place, when you inevitably go down nobody has to walk over to you to pick you up, etc. Kinda boring but just the way it is.

>>716246794
Soto has a lot of improvements for the game like everything you get with Skyscale, weapon mastery, and some other shit I’m forgetting. I do get being disappointed with it mainly adding really easy PvE stuff, but you get some easy gold for convergence and the strikes
I don’t like that the story is heavily padded and if you want a full set of legendary armor for 1 character, you have to beat it 6 fucking times.

>>716255426
I feel like I've seen you post this a few times before.. you don't have to redo any story to get legendary armor etc. You do have to do the map meta-events several times, light up lanterns around the maps a bunch of times, do tons of rifts and/or convergences, etc. But repeating story instances? No.

>>716230845 (OP)
i played xiv and thought it was cool but really i am not a big mmo person i would say its worth a try though

>>716255737
Don’t you need to do map completion in all of them? You can only get the last 2 PoI’s in the final mission

>>716256341
You only need to do map completion once. After you complete a map you only have to light "Starlight Lanterns" around the map to get the gift of [that map] again. I think there might be 1 or 2 that are gated behind events but I vaguely remember arenanet moving them to be accessible all the time. All I know is I never struggled with this when making my armor, I just did lanterns while waiting on parts of meta-events etc. If you have a good route (with BlishHUD pathing module or just finding a route yourself) it's like 10-15 minutes per lantern run.

You can play most of the content that's actually worth it for free on ffxiv. No point to playing anything after endwalker

>>716230845 (OP)
Didn;t care much for the gameplay but God I loved scurrying around GW2's maps and finding all the little hidden nooks and crannies. And the mounts blew all other mmos out of the water.

The whole genre is one big monkey's paw. An mmo will come out with one or two features you like excellently executed and then somehow shit the bed on every other thing.

I was in an OC instance alone with a JP player waiting for pot fate, it spawned and we started killing it but he disconnected when the final mob was at 20%, so I waited until he reconnected so he'd get credit, he reconnected and killed it and he didn't even say thanks. I thought the Japanese were the epitome of good manners????

I want yoshi p to cry again on stream

>>716258607
you monster

>>716238854
>ACK Poodle

>>716233801
Pretty solid take. I played both on and off since the first GW1 game and Heavensward. Dropped GW2 hard at End of Dragons, it went full woketard, asbolute irredemable garbage. Quit 14 after Dawntrail. Have enjoyed watching it collapse.
They both have their place, but I wouldn't recommend any MMO to anybody. There are better ways to spend your time.

>>716245335
I have never known such joy as I experienced maining minion master pre-minion cap. We were as gods.

>>716260616
Wish I played back then. Tried to get into GW1 recently and playing a minion master felt honestly kinda crappy and annoying.

>>716231312
GW2 being f2p has really lost its value and appeal over the years. Not only are there now 50 expansions, but there's also the living world season fuckery that they've been doing since launch. GW2's monetization is truly up there with some of the worst, and I don't know how people don't call it out for this more often.

It's also soft-p2w. The only reason it isn't "hard" p2w is because there is no true vertical progression once you hit max level. You can swipe cash for literally everything else you want though, and these things will give you huge advantages over other players.

FFXIV sucks. The world has some great lore and the gameplay used to truly compete with WoW at its best, but it has been nothing but downhill with basically every expansion past the 1st one.

WoW fucking sucks lol

>>716262212
>You can swipe cash for literally everything else you want though, and these things will give you huge advantages over other players.

You can't swipe for anything besides legendary weapons... You can't swipe for ascended anything or legendary armor or accessories. What are you even talking about?

>>716261938
Necro is the one class that became less satisfying as time went on. Mesmer buffs sealed its fate.

>>716263142
Liar. You can't directly buy ascended gear but you can swipe for gold and instantly skip the f2p's time-gate on crafting ascended gear by buying all the mats yourself instantly. It's undeniable that someone with money to swipe will get ascended gear faster than a newbie. And then they can get alternate sets for different builds. And then they can buy runes. And instantly max out agony infusions. There is more to gearing than you'd like to let on in GW2; there may not be traditional vertical progression but you can still swipe for lots of very useful things.

You can hit level 80 as a newbie and immediately swipe for retarded amounts of bag space and shared (between character) inventory slots, where you can then put your new swiped for infinite gathering tools into. Then you buy home instance nodes, infinite repair kit, infinite salvage kit, everything you want. GW2 is a very borderline p2w game

>>716263449
>Liar. You can't directly buy ascended gear but you can swipe for gold and instantly skip the f2p's time-gate on crafting ascended gear by buying all the mats yourself instantly. It's undeniable that someone with money to swipe will get ascended gear faster than a newbie. And then they can get alternate sets for different builds. And then they can buy runes. And instantly max out agony infusions. There is more to gearing than you'd like to let on in GW2; there may not be traditional vertical progression but you can still swipe for lots of very useful things.
The fastest and easiest way to get ascended is from the wizard's vault which swiping doesn't help with

>You can hit level 80 as a newbie and immediately swipe for retarded amounts of bag space and shared (between character) inventory slots, where you can then put your new swiped for infinite gathering tools into. Then you buy home instance nodes, infinite repair kit, infinite salvage kit, everything you want. GW2 is a very borderline p2w game

None of this gives you an advantage... it's just convenience

>>716264479
>The fastest and easiest way to get ascended is from the wizard's vault which
don't play your gay game so I don't know what gay shit is, but I can guarantee you it isn't faster than instantly, which is how fast you can get asc with swiping

>None of this gives you an advantage... it's just convenience
Expected semantics

>>716264479
no, the fastest and easiest way to get a full ascended kit is swiping your credit card for max level crafters, the , and crafting them. The only bits you can't outright buy on the TP are the vision crystals.

Wizards Vault takes months to fully equip a character, and even longer if you're playing a profession that wants off-hand weapons

>>716263393
Sans?

>>716263142
considering the single biggest resource gate for all legendaries is gold, yes, someone who pays for gold will have an advantage over someone who doesn't.

>>716264982
>>716264854
>>716264803
Not true. Even if it was... oh no. You can do 5% more damage in brain dead easy content a week faster. How will you ever survive?

>>716264982
Legendary provides no power benefit. Even if you could purchase them directly from the shop it wouldn't be pay to win. Your mental gymnastics is pointless.

>>716265240
A full ascended kit opens up access to high-level fractals, one of the most lucrative activities in the game. Even if the power advantage isn't huge, that is an advantage, and something someone who pays will be able to access faster than someone who doesn't.

Legendaries provide a HUGE convenience benefit. Being able to swap your entire stat line at will is a massive boost to being able to join groups and complete high level content.

>>716265240
>not true but even if it is.. uuuuhhh.. NUH UH!
Wow great argument faggot you literally admitted you're wrong. Stupid gorilla nigger

>>716265594
>>716265837
>playing PvE content
>not playing PvP content
>not just only building stun and buffs
>not getting mogged by the dude with 5% more damage

>>716266004
>thinking I care about this
>deflecting blame from the dev and blaming players
You're why this garbage game is dead lol

>>716265837
>erases the part of what I said that makes you look retarded
ok

>>716265594
Crafting ascended weapons requires time-gating that you can't buy your way through (Lump of Mithrillium and Spirit Residue are account bound), and you still have to play fractals to upgrade your rings for more slots. You also can't craft ascended trinkets. Swiping doesn't help very much at all.

>>716266180
>Lump of Mithrillium and Spirit Residue are account bound
You know what aren't? Deldrimor Steel Ingots and Spiritwood Planks.

>>716265594
>A full ascended kit opens up access to high-level fractals, one of the most lucrative activities in the game
Anyone who has the money to spend on the higher tier agony resistances is definitely paying to win, but at the same time.. does someone who has the money to spend to get there even need the rewards anymore?
Also, you will still need the skills and the teamwork to beat the hardest fractals, even if you take no agony damage.

That said, even if you don't directly swap gems to gold,. you will get gold and massive gold value items from black lion chests
For me the only real pay to win feature is being able to afford the bare feet cosmetic

I think saying Guild Wars 2 is pay to win is fine. I'm personally comfortable with the game's monetization given how easy it is to achieve any "win" condition without swiping. I wish it could be different but they're not really making a ton off the game as is.

>>716266471
> does someone who has the money to spend to get there even need the rewards anymore?
don't even try to understand whale logic, none of these kinds of games "need" you to pay but they'll still drop thousands for a perceived advantage

>>716266598
To be fair, cutting time spent on grinding is one of the biggest advantages you can have in an MMO
Doing more damage? snore
Not having to spend 5-30 days farming for money/materials to achieve a goal? priceless

At least they won't let you buy mystic clovers

>>716266489
The real extent of GW2's P2W aspect is gaining access to elite specs through the expacs, and even then you can't buy the hero points to actually unlock them, not to mention learning to actually play the spec. Gear doesn't make up for being bad, only your build can do that

>>716235668
For me, yes.

>>716236641
That's great you old fucking hack except for the fact that you made it so you lose your house if you unsub. I'm literally the only active member in my FC and if I quit I lose all the subs I built up because nobody else is playing to keep the house around.

>>716230845 (OP)
Gayass brandwarring aside, you can just play the XIV trial for free up to and including all of Stormblood with relatively few limits. No need to buy anything to see if you like it. And if you don't, you just don't buy it.
I dunno how GW2 works in that sense, but I assume it has a trial of some kind as well.

>>716231224
>WoW
>Based
You need to be killed subhuman troon

>>716266043
yes

i played when the game launched and then dropped it until EoD came out then played it again for a month. games dead lmao

>>716268002
if you don't want to play, why are the subs keeping you around?

>>716268102
she looks epic.

>>716268252
It's just sunk cost basically. And honestly it's not that I don't want to play, I just hate the idea that I don't have a choice but to remain subbed if I don't want to lose everything.

>>716268102
I don't get it,you're just racist?

>>716269629
You had a choice for like 9 months or so?

>>716230845 (OP)
bump