If they simply had Mick Gordon and didn't remove most glory kills this easily could have been up for Game of the Year.

and had the game on the disc

>>716245775 (OP)
Lack of Gordon and glory kills are a good thing and they aren't really a factor why this game just kinda flopped

>dragon levels
>mech levels
>unending cutscenes
I know I had more but the game has just left my brain for the most part.

>>716246152
Why did it flop then?

>>716245775 (OP)
Imagine being so high on Zillenialism that you actually manage to turn FUCKING DOOM into a movie game, how the FUCK did they do that??

>>716246830
Hopefully it's because of the lore, nobody wants to watch a shitty marvel movie while playing doom

So if any bethshit or microshit employees are reading take note, I do not give a fuck about your retarded cringy faggot ass doomslayer lore, I will not buy your next product unless you keep it simple, better reboot this whole thing

Every Hugo Martin Doom is slop

>>716245775 (OP)
>waaaaah Mick Gordon
I don't like how id fucked him either but the OST of Dark Ages is not really worse off for not having him.
>glory kills
It's a good thing they were removed. If anything I also want the game to give me an option to completely remove the slowdowns when melee striking enemies.

>>716246830
xbox is dei and accessibility and about getting women to play the games

>>716246830
Shit costs 80 bucks.

>>716246830
1. Gamepass
2. It’s not Eternal

>>716247530
Not exclusive to Xbox
>>716248017
It being on GP is meant to be a good thing. Just look at expedition 33. It being on Game pass gave it a lot more attention and notoriety but Doom completely fell off the map after a week or two

>>716245775 (OP)
>sell the game for 80$
>make it inaccessible/unplayable for like 80% of the PC user base
gee, I wonder why it flopped

>>716245775 (OP)
Never gonna play nu-doom

>>716246830
>Why did it flop then?
it costs 80 bucks
it's no longer potato PC friendly due to forced raytracing
instant access on gamepass (which had a 14-days-for-2-bucks sale around the release date)

all of these matter a lot more to people than NOOO THERE'S TOOO MUCH LOOOORE

>>716249890
I did, finished 2016 and 2020 on Nightmare.
Twice, second time with mods.

They both suck, keep rocking those .wads bro.

>>716246830
Because the market for Doom games is actually kind of niche. It's way too frenetic and demanding for most people. A lot of normies tried out Doom 2016 only as a curiosity but didn't really become invested in the franchise. Doom Eternal probably would have sold below 2016 if not for having the best possible market timing in the history of video games (released literally right when covid lockdowns began).

Because Eternal had such a lucky release window, it got a bunch of people to play the game who normally wouldn't have and that's why it was so polarizing despite being a fantastic game. Dark Ages was an attempt to respond to criticisms of Eternal and create a game that would have broad appeal. Unfortunately, normies still weren't interested in a tactically demanding, twitchy FPS with metal aesthetics. And Eternal fans were pissed that it slowed the game down causing it to get poor word of mouth.

It's a real shame because Dark Ages is still one of the best shooters I've ever played.

>mech levels
The combat model is simple but IMO they're cool enough set pieces to get away with it.
>cutscenes
I'll admit it's weird that a Doom game tries to tell a coherent story, but it's an overblown concern. It's still less of a movie game than even something like Halo.
>no Mick Gordon
overblown
>no glory kills
literally an improvement
>dragon levels
Yeah, this is valid. They kind of suck.

>$80
>DEI
These are mostly excuses by closet normies who don't want to admit they're intimidated by the gameplay and were looking for any excuse to avoid it.

>>716250516
>Eternal
>Fantastic game
Kill yourself

>>716245775 (OP)
>plays worse than eternal
Miss me with that bullshit

>>716245775 (OP)
There are a million reasons why it's shit.
I don't even know where to start.

NuDoom died in Eternal when they turned it into a movement shooter.

>>716245775 (OP)
No.

>>716248160
Being on game pass is potentially good if you have a brand new IP and you need your game to be accessible as possible.
For big IPs like Doom, the player is just getting the newest big AAA release for $5 while Microsoft is just hoping that said player either is a gamer dad (limited vidya time per week, occasional "wife aggro") or will forget to cancel his game pass like the average subscription enjoyer.

>>716246830

>>716250695
Mechanically it's the best FPS ever made

>>716246830
I'm not buying a game that tries to paint Doomguy as some reddit tier superhero mythical legend who can beat and kill anything in the world, can't die and only gets stronger because of anger.

>>716251405
Niggers and women in MY Doom? It's more likely than you think.

>>716251496
But you WILL buy games with homosexual sex scenes and non binary characters amirite xister?

>>716251405
gears of warcraft

>>716251547
You are a retarded faggot.

>>716251405

>>716245775 (OP)
One of the preview videos prerelease was some incredibly bad and long cutscene involving some woman using magic or some shit.

Really makes you wonder if these people even played any doom before making it.

>>716251625
Why are you thinking about homos, trannies and their lingo or rhetoric again?

>>716251491
>Change weapon to win
>Overwatch one button skills
>Bulletsponge enemies
>Unlimited chaff
>Watch the same glory kill 100000 times
No fuckoff

>>716251625
No, all those faggots, including Eternaltrannies deserve the rope.

>>716251405
I HECKING LOVE CAPESHIT!!!

>>716250516
I've always liked how DOOM's gameplay uses weapon specialization and enemy variety to create novel challenges and scenarios. Figuring out what weapons and tactics work best against various strange and alien enemies with widely different behavior and weaknesses is cool. It's like a puzzle game and I love that. There's things DOOM can do with its setting that just can't be done in COD or Goldeneye or any other grounded FPS game.

Does Dark Ages still have those elements? I was a little hesitant with the more open level design. I also got a weird vibe from some of the footage like... the game is "safe masculine". Like everyone is musclebound and huge and dangerous and all the women are ugly and treated with deference because they are queens. It just seems like typical modern gay shit while wearing a marketing department's idea of "cool manly stuff".

I'm here to kill demons and respect women!!

>>716253318
>Does Dark Ages still have those elements?
Not really. You can really use the same gun with effective parry. But there are some guns that are more effective against certain types of enemies than others
I thought it was fine and actually one of the few games I finished recently, but probably because it was more of a casual experience than what Doom classically has been

>>716246830
you literally cannot boot up the game if your card doesn't support ray tracing

>>716251710
>You are a retarded faggot

>>716253662
Are you guys still using PS4 Pro tier PCs? Do you ever plan on upgrading?

>>716252456
That's a lot of words to just say, "I'm bad at arena shooters".

>>716245775 (OP)

>>716253987
You are.

>>716251941
Why are you buying their games?

>>716254070
Women want to be dragon riders. Men want to slay dragons.

Whomever designed this game is a fag or a woman.

>>716254168
>You are

>>716254185
>Flying around on a cyborg dragon is......le bad!

>>716254392
Kys faggot.

>>716254392
>>716254459
>samefag
pathetic

>>716245775 (OP)
>Dick Gorger

>>716245775 (OP)
it was always going to be rough for whatever came after eternal, at the same time they fucked it up the worst possible way, missed the mark completely

>>716255178
But market research showed that people like cutscenes and lots of pointless characters.

>>716245775 (OP)
Played the game within 3-4 days, finished a week ago. Overall I liked it, I think nu-id is WAY more comfortable and in their element with this pseudo-medieval melee approach to Doom than with the we're-totally-not-skittishly-aping-Doom-3 cyber approach of the previous two Dooms. It took them 3 games but they finally managed to make Doomguy feel actually as strong and insane as they kept assuring people in the first two games, it's no longer just empty praise. The combat actually has weight and heft now.
That being said the novelty of the dragon sections wore off extremely quickly and became a drag in the later levels, and the plot shit being focused on some crystal mcguffin that gives Thira a powerup was unnecessary and I think the game could've just done its Doomguy vs prince of hell rivalry without it. And also the Ctulhu levels take just a bit too long.

>>716246830
forced gay tracing and gay story

>>716251738
>exposed midriff
>fat ass
umm wow can we not? this is not okay anymore