Can someone please explain to me how the fuck did the Wii U flop but this somehow didn't?

Because Nintendo actually made video games for the Switch.

>>716270831 (OP)
It has better marketing and launched with Mario Kart.

Because this is a gameboy and the wii u wasn't

>>716271067
no they didn't it just happens to be hoveling off the coattails of steam deck making every game run on everything
the switch 1 also fucking sucks, I regret sinking 200 bucks into it + the 300 it cost

>>716270831 (OP)
Better hardware, marketing, and the huge wait in-between consoles since this is just a standard upgrade of the original Switch.
Additionally, there is much less of a "gimmick" jump between Switch 1 and 2, other than "Hey, you like Magnets and optional Mouse controls?"
And last but not least, it launched with fucking Mario Kart, further incentivized by the "cheaper" bundle option.

>>716271067
False

True story time. I really used to be a huge Nintendo fan. Then over time I got to know the fan base. It all started with an unofficial event in my area.... Actually it was more a really big meet up really. God's honest truth... I went there expecting to meet normies and enthusiast, but I want I found was quite different. All most all of the dudes I met or saw were either obvious pedos or had strong pedophilic tendencies. The women seemed reasonably normal, by all accounts, but they only talked about Animal Crossing. The occasional teenager I'd see were glued to their phones.
Over time I picked up on the cues and every time I'd meet a "Nintendo" fan they almost always gave me hard pedo vibes, man child vibes, or were just obese and reaked from not showering.
I've long since moved on to PC and PlayStation.
The memes about fan bases are true. At least in my experience.

>>716270831 (OP)
Because its have a 2, if iwata was not autistic and had a called the wiiu wii2 it would not floped

>>716271410
>no they didn't it just happens to be hoveling off the coattails of steam deck making every game run on everything

>>716271460
hi eric notice me

>>716270831 (OP)
Honestly idk. The switch 2 is selling like hotcakes and has barely any games. It's wild to me.

>>716271410
> something thats sold less than the ngage
>having any influence

>>716271410
>hoveling off the coattails of steam deck
The fucking Wii U out sold the Steam Deck three times over.

>>716270831 (OP)
The Switch as a console, and Nintendo as a brand, are extremely more powerful these days.

Back in the days, the Wii U was poorly concepted, poorly made and poorly marketed and their games basically was seen as made for non-gamers. Miyamoto had to come and say on 2014 or 2015 that their games would again being made for gamers in mind, because the casual audience were on phones and tablets.

>>716270831 (OP)
Gaming's more popular than ever and continuously on the grow. So of course the newest big release will be the fastest selling.

>>716271645
>Miyamoto had to come and say on 2014 or 2015 that their games would again being made for gamers in mind, because the casual audience were on phones and tablets.
Thats was funny

>>716270831 (OP)
Launched with a decent lineup
Was truly portable unoike the Wii U
Didnt force shitty controller gimmicks devs didnt wanna work with
The decent install base early on made 3rd party devs start giving a shit about Nintendo

>>716270831 (OP)
The Wii U basically didn't exist. 90% of Wii owners were unaware of it

Nintendo also very obviously were doing a beta test for the Switch in hindsight and the software reflects that. NSMBU is just HD NSMB. 3D World is just HD 3D Land. MK8 is just HD MK7. People gas up these games today but at the time they felt completely non essential

>>716270831 (OP)
"fastest selling" because nintendo made people pre-order their console long before it was even released

>>716271649
that'd mean that each new gaming console should sell more than the last
spoiler, it doesn't happen

it's literally just a switch pro which everyone wanted

>>716270831 (OP)
>how the fuck did the Wii U flop
Nintendo thought 2012 was 2006 despite years of warnings that the grandmas who bought Wiis went onto mobile games

>>716271803
>nintendo made people pre-order their console long before it was even released
Just like every console?

Mobile gaming and streaming on Smart TVs is the future..
Its already here, as with Samsung can stream Xbox Game Pass games. All you need is a controller and food connection.
Mobile is getting stronger and with more peripherals now than ever...
Consoles are dying. It's only a matter of time. Even Shitendo can't stop it

>>716271803
>he's trying to spin perorders as somehow a uniquely Nintendo thing now
I really do not understand these attempts at spin, it's completely fucking inane

>>716272020
No, they made this gay thing where you needed a NSO membership to even qualify for the ore-order which was obviously another jewish trick to signal artificial scarcity. So alot of people panicked and mass ordered them on different sites etc.

>>716272085
>snoys have been so buck broken they're turning into mobilefags and smart TVfags
oh nonono

>>716271803
>nintendo held people at gunpoint and threatened to kill their family if they didnt preorder the system

>>716270831 (OP)
A. It's a straight workable upgrade without necessary retarded gimmicks, only unncessary ones.
B. It has the over the userbase of the Wii but without the millions bought for grannies who played Wii Bowling clogging up numbers.
C. People who were on the fence about the original for being old can now grab the new one.
D. Old games can run better and it will actually get new games unlike other systems.
E. The more we progress, the more people have access to it

>>716271724
>3rd party devs start giving a shit about Nintendo

anyone who asks this question should be forced to look at the wii u reveal again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3qaPg_keg

>>716272356
Ohh yesyesyes
Sorry pedo, you're going to have to turn to gacha games and streaming your loli on your TV in the future.

>>716272290
>artificial scarcity
Yet they met the demand enough to become the biggest console launch ever. Are you suggesting that Switch 2 could've sold even MORE?

>>716272085
There's no future in game streaming. Yeah sure whatever, so it works perfectly, in ideal conditions, as long as you have fiber to the premises and a wired connection. I'm happy for you. But it's not going to catch on no matter how desperate Microsoft is to make it happen and recoup their investments. This technology won't be competitive with dedicated hardware until the entire world is upgraded to modern network standards. You can't imagine how long that's going to take.

>>716272290
Almost like they didn't want their system scalped to shit like Sony has allowed to happen or something

>>716272493
>the same 3rd party devs watching an 8 year money train pass them by

Wii U was unironically too complicated for normies
Not even kidding
They could not understand that the control pad was not a console itself

>>716270831 (OP)
Not our fault you fell for propaganda.

Normies fucking love Nintendo and despite how many people will screech about hating Nintendo on this website they will always want the next big game from theme.

>IGN news
I don't care

>>716270831 (OP)
>how the fuck did the Wii U flop
Literally because they named it the Wii U instead of the Wii 2. Customers got confused and thought the Wii U was just the gamepad and was an accessory for the original Wii.

>>716272636
>Yet they met the demand enough to become the biggest console launch ever
Yes, because it was "artificial" scarcity. They only gave people the impression there weren't enough consoles for everyone.

I only know ONE person so has bought it.
O N E
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>>716273031
Ok, I know four. What's your point retard?

>>716272908
Nobody wanted the damn thing.

I remember the huge collective sigh of relief when Breath of the Wild was announced to a cross gen game on both Wii U and Switch. People were glad they didn't have to buy a dead machine just to play the new Zelda.

>>716270831 (OP)
Nintendo fans have zero standards. The hypest thing right now is monke crush rock game. They're excited about a bunch of roms that ran better on emulation like 10 years ago. NSO subscribers are the dumbest cucks in gaming.

>>716270831 (OP)
The Switch finished its life strong while the Wii limped into the Wii U. At the time the Wii U was launching they also had to salvage the 3DS's poor launch.

>>716273189
Eric, please stop.

>>716273189
>monke crush rock game

Yes you dumb nigger. It's freaking awesome.

>>716271803
>"fastest selling" because nintendo made people pre-order their console long before it was even released

And then they actually were able to supply enough systems to meet the demand. That's something Sony hasn't accomplished this millennium.

>>716271451
You have already chosen your pitiful end

>>716272909
Hey everybody, this guy doesn't know what "artificial scarcity" is!
He thinks it's when customers mistakenly believe a well-stocked product will be scarce and clamor to buy it!
What a fool!

>>716272493
>Street Fighter 6
>Yakuza 0
>Cyberpunk 2077
>Borderlands 4
>Split Fiction
>Hitman and Bond
>Final Fantasy VII Remake
>Elden Ring
>Duskbloods by none other than fucking Miyazaki

The Wii U would have killed for this kind of support. There was one Fromsoftware producer who straight up laughed at the idea of putting DS2 on the Wii U.

>>716272909
If this was the case then they would've had similar sales to Switch 1's launch, which was also """artificially scarce""". Instead they exceeded them.

>>716273426
>all just ports of games from years back extent the new james bond game which legitimately looks like complete shit and duskbloods which nintendo are publishing
Call me when the first third party gives an actual fuck about the Switch 2 and puts in something resembling actual effort.

>>716270831 (OP)
Wii U
>People were sick of forced gimmicky controls on the wii so they skipped this console
>Normies didn't know it was a new console because most of the advertising was them showing off the gamepad
>shit third party support. Only Ubishit was making games for it
>Launch titles was a $60 tech demo and a NSMB game
>No games

Switch 2
>People wanted a stronger switch and got it
>No forced gimmicky controls
>Nintendo is releasing one 1st party game a month
>good third party support
>Two of the exclusives so far are system sellers
>It's a month and a half old and already have more games than the PS5 and Xbox

>>716272908
I've read that explanation so many times, yet it makes no sense. You're telling me people went YEARS playing the Wii wondering why Nintendo wasn't releasing new games on it and everyone kept talking about the Wii U and they just kept on thinking it was an add-on?

>>716273619
Imagine for a moment trying to spin one game a month as "no gaems" when other consoles are lucky if they get a single game per fucking YEAR.

The Wii U was a bad console with terrible marketing.

The Switch is a good console with very good marketing.

>>716273556
>those don't count!
Why bother when you're just going to tack on even more conditions?

>>716273556
You gotta start somewhere. They're not gonna port, for example, Infinite Wealth when the only Yakuza game on the Switch was Kiwami.

>>716273756
why would anyone consider ports from years back third parties giving a fuck? and Nintendo are publishing Dusk Bloods, Bond counts but I'm surprised anyone gives a fuck about that game, it looks legitimately bad, I seriously hope it's a huge flop and kills IO.

>>716273629
>You're telling me people went YEARS playing the Wii wondering why Nintendo wasn't releasing new games on it and everyone kept talking about the Wii U and they just kept on thinking it was an add-on?

A) the people most likely to be affected by this are the giga-casuals that buy at most 1 game per year, play it for a bit and never beat it
B) Have you seen the Wii's releases from 2010 to 2012?

>>716273367
We have already chosen our beautiful new beginning.

>>716272493
EA tried really hard on ignore the Switch, but when their shareholders started to call the fact they were losing money for not supporting the platform, they decided to go back with their annual sport franchises.

>>716273629
Most people who buy consoles are way more casual than you realize. They wouldn't even know console generations are a thing.

>>716273137
Anybody anticipating an upcoming game is not the majority of the console market, anon. You're underestimating how casual the audience.

>>716271067
They also made games for the Wii U, I don't know why people forget this. Splatoon found its legs there, Mario Kart 8 sold boatloads, and Smash also sold a crazy amount.
Let's also not forget that an enormous amount of Switch games were just Wii U games with a bit more content added on top like Hyrule Warriors, Pikmin 3, Captain Toad, Super Mario 3D World, and Mario Kart 8. BotW was even supposed to have Gamepad features like WWHD and TPHD apparently but then they wanted parity with the Switch which is why it's not the objectively superior version.

>>716273774
It just seems obvious, why no Mega Man? perfect time for a new Mega Man, ride the honeymoon wave to a few million units sold, the game could be made on the cheap, doesn't exist, Sega has ample IP they could have made a launch exclusive for Switch 2, but instead it's a port of Yakuza being sold at a premium but on sale for pennies everywhere else, Square Enix are the same, they don't even have a trailer for DQ12, they don't have a new Asano title which would have been perfect for launch, instead it's a port of FFVII remake a 5 year old game.
The other guy pointed it out, almost every studio watched the Switch money train leave the station and lap around the whole industry with Capcom and Monster Hunter Rise being the soul exception, and for some reason the Switch 2 is a repeat of this situation, literally how, do these companies hate money? do they hate the idea of expanding their fanbase? do they just hate Nintendo? it's mind boggling, you'd think every company would have looked at the original Switch's sales and software sales and asked how we get a piece of that, instead none of them asked themselves any part of that question. We are literally at the stage where every single company listed is more interested in releasing Xbox titles over Switch titles, Square Enix have literally lost money on ports for that hardware and they care more about it than the Switch 2.

>>716271067
Most “switch” “games” were just wii u ports.

>>716274304
>Splatoon, MK8 and Smash
Didn't come out until years later.

>Let's also not forget that an enormous amount of Switch games were just Wii U games
For every Wii U game there's like 5 Switch games and I'm not even joking. The Wii U had no Metroid, Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing, 3D Kirby, Famicom Detective Club, good Mario Party games, I could go on but you get the idea.

>>716273902
And yet half of you are still clawing at the past, begging 2017 to repeat itself like Nintendo's gonna bottle lightning twice the same way. Accept what's here, embrace the weird-ass third party foothold they're trying to establish, and stop acting like Capcom's absence is some religious betrayal. We got Miyazaki and IO on board-indie-level faith is clearly turning into AAA action.

Nintendo misread the market with the Wii U. Sure, the name was bad and so was the marketing, but the real problem is that this was a console intended for an audience that Nintendo only imagined existed. They believed there was still an audience of Wii Sports players who didn't particularly care about graphics and could be relied upon to follow their brand. That audience had lost interest years earlier and moved on to mobile games. Even worse, Nintendo had essentially been developing for the Gamecube for 11 years straight. They basically needed the entire Wii U generation to learn how to make HD games.

>>716275036
>Nintendo had essentially been developing for the Gamecube for 11 years straight. They basically needed the entire Wii U generation to learn how to make HD games.

Something similar has happened with Gamefreak on Pokémon. Their developers were suddenly thrust into a new console ecosystem they had no skill with.

>>716271896
They didn’t really move on the mobile games. It’s more that to the casual audience Wii targeted, the Wii was a fad that had passed. Also those grandmas still played Wii Bowling for years.. just nothing else. Old folks homes used to have Wii Bowling leagues and some probably still do assuming the hardware still works. Could probably have replaced it with the Switch version but everybody hates the more accurate bowling from that and Resort

>>716275036
They also had to split resources to support the 3DS at the same time. I think refocusing all software development towards only one platform is the secret sauce to Nintendo's current success.

>>716275036
>They basically needed the entire Wii U generation to learn how to make HD games
This was definitely one of the biggest things that killed the WiiU imo.
The console took a long time to come out and by the time it did, their big launch title was NSMBU and then they had a 6 month long drought until Pikmin 3.

>>716273629
It never made sense to me either. I understand it may be true for boomers who had a Wii as their one and only console, but I don't see how the typical gamer would be confused. Even when it comes to parents buying consoles for their children, the children know the difference unless they are not even old enough to attend school where all the kids want the latest fad.

I think the more straightforward explanation is that the Wii is just a huge outlier when it comes to Nintendo's home console sales. Nintendo's hand-held devices have generally sold more than their home consoles. The Switch is their first product which combines their home and hand-held market, so it's high sales figures can largely be explained by the ongoing popularity of Nintendo's hand-held devices.

-- Home --
NES - 62 mil
SNES - 49 mil
N64 - 33 mil
GC - 22 mil
Wii - 102 mil
Wii U - 14 mil

-- Hand-held --
GB - 119 mil
GBA - 82 mil
DS - 150 mil
3DS - 76 mil

>>716274654
>Didn't come out until years later.
They still came out fairly early into its life. Smash was only two years after release, 3D World was like eightish months, MK8 was two years, and Splatoon was three years.

This isn't even bringing up other games they had to tide you over like WWHD, TPHD, NSMBU, Nintendoland, Pokemon Rumble U, W101, Lego City Undercover, NSLU, DKCTF, and so on. The Wii U had a lot of games throughout its lifespan, you just choose to ignore them despite them being major sellers on the Switch. The issue wasn't the games, it was the platform the games were on.

>>716272085
>now he clinging to mobile slop

>>716275540
>The Wii U had a lot of games throughout its lifespan
lol no it didn't, compared to the Switch especially. The fact that you had to count remasters, dlc and fucking lego city says it all lmao.

>>716274830
S2 first year is definitely going to be on par with 2017 if not far superior. You can already make a favorable comparison and we don't even know what's going to make up the first half of next year
MK8D - MKW
Odyssey - Bananza
BotW - Prime 4
Splatoon 2 - Splatoon Raiders
Xenoblade 2 - Pokemon ZA
ARMS - Air Riders

There's also Duskbloods which Switch 1 has no equivalent

>>716275036
They made one comment that adjusting to HD was difficult at first and this was early on. Everybody has taken this way out of context. They made HD games just fine. And then they ported most of them to the Switch and probably made a couple billion dollars of those ports at least

>>716274304
>>716275540
Are you quite young perhaps? It seems like you don't clearly recall the Wii U years. You sound like someone who discovered the Wii U library years later and was impressed. And sure, I believe Nintendo did some of their all-time best work in the Wii U era. It must look like a sea of hidden gems in retrospect. Well I had one from launch and I bought nearly every first party game. I can tell you that there was so very little to play, and it was a problem. Third parties had either abandoned Nintendo or pivoted to giving them only shovelware. Subsequently releasing a PS3-tier device in the PS4 era obviously didn't bring them back. So all of our games came from Nintendo. Given that Nintendo was struggling hard with HD development, this was devastating. You would get a few Wii U games a year, and that was it. We called them the game droughts for a reason. Just because there were eventually a ton of great Wii U games doesn't mean it was sustainable to be selling a game console that players would be constantly setting aside for months on end.

>>716276276
I had no idea anyone had made such a comment. I thought the difficulty they were experiencing was self-evident by the infrequency of game releases.

>>716272085
Game streaming is a waste of bandwidth and the latency is never going to be overcome with TCP/IP. Streaming an NES game, for example, would waste more data for a frame than the ROM size. This applies on a larger scale to simpler games with small file sizes. Image quality is also compressed shit. Local streaming from a console to a phone is also quite shit and the HDMI CEC can freak out and switch to the console if somebody is trying to watch something and you’re streaming from the console. It sucks. Stadia even had a controller that connected directly to the internet to reduce latency. And also stadia is dead. Streaming Game Pass games has noticeable lag that frame sensitive autists can’t deal with. And they can’t implement “run ahead” on a steam. I agree that consoles are dead though because the next gen only cares about Roblox

>>716275763
Lego City was an exclusive game for the system. NSLU was a standalone release. Even if you don't want to count third-parties like Lego City or Trine which is fair enough, it still had a lot of games.

I want you to compare these two lists:
https://www.lucklessheaven.com/wii-u/games-us
https://www.lucklessheaven.com/nintendo-switch/games-us
The Wii U launch year (November 2012 to October 2013) had as many games as the Switch's launch year (March 2017 to February 2018) if you remove the Wii U ports from it. The Switch had 7 brand new games, the Wii U had 7 when removing the three or so third-party games. You have to intentionally add already existing Wii U ports as original games for the system to make it seem like it's got a massive lead which I would argue is quite an unfair comparison.

>>716276335
>Are you quite young perhaps?
I literally bought it like a year after launch, no. I will absolutely agree it had basically no 3rd party support outside of the initial burst, my point here is that in general the Nintendo side of things had the Switch and Wii U at equal levels, people just for some reason choose to pretend it had a dearth of first-party support when that was basically its lifeblood, and the games people willingly chose to ignore suddenly became massive hits on the Switch despite essentially just having DLC packs slapped onto them.

>>716276435
They did indeed make such a comment but they followed it up by saying they have a good understanding of what it entails. People take this out of context, I just assumed that’s what you were doing. Frequency of releases was a problem but as somebody else said above, they had separate mobile and console divisions and later consolidated them to help reduce this. Reduced frequency of releases in general has been an industry-wide problem for the past 13 years or so. Nintendo might have even been hit with this bug if it really took 8 years to make bananza (I suspect it’s been mostly finished for a while)

>>716276040
Arms is equiv to Drag X Drive
No Mario and Rabbids
No Snipperclips
1 2 Switch and Tour is missing
Fire Emblem Warriors and Hyrule Warriors
No Pokken Tournament DX
No Flip Wars
It's still lacking.
Realistically it's titles are missing the kind of genre/demographic appeal diversity the original switch had, but there's also the issue that in 2017 the 3ds was still getting games, there's just no cover for Mario and Luigi Superstar remake, Pokemon US/UM, Metroid Samus Returns, HEy Pikmin, Ever Oasis, Fire Emblem Echoes, and Poochy and Yoshi's Wooly World.

>>716271515
Unironically this probably would have helped. Calling it a Switch 2 is uncreative and boring but the masses are stupid and you really need to put a 2, 3, etc after it so they know it’s a sequel

>>716277345
Remember when Microsoft was retarded and called their third console the Xbox One?

>>716270831 (OP)
>why did the console with a fischer price tablet fail
idk

>>716273708
Not to mention neither has any major games down the pipeline and is praying for GTA6 to bail them out.

>>716277151
>Arms is equiv to Drag X Drive
Hey man, Arms wasn't my cup of tea, but lets not go that far in demeaning it.

>>716273708
Switch 2 already has more quality exclusive games to play than the PS5 did after a whole year. No game posters are either ponies or children.

>>716277957
False

>>716278016
Name 2 PS5 exclusives that released between November 2020 and November 2021.

>>716271490
>True story time.
Stop lying

We got both the numbers for first month of US and Japan. 1.6m for US & 1.5m Japan in June. That's 3.1m just from 2 countries alone. We know it sold 3.4m worldwide in its first 4 days. I guess a safe guess is that Switch 2 has sold 5 million units already. They might've underestimated that 20m projection and might have to speed up to make more to meet demand.

>>716270831 (OP)
Reminder to save and repost for newfags

>>716278124
I'll do way better than that
Astro's playroom
Demon's Souls
FF7R Intergrade
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Deathloop
Ghost of Tsushima Director's cut
Spider man remastered
Returnal
And many, many more

>>716278675
Almost none of those are exclusive what the fuck?

>>716270831 (OP)
people waiting for zelda

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>>716278723
They were all exclusive at the time. Astro's Playroom and DeSR are still exclusive right now, the rest have been ported off.

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>>716272851
What the fuck causes someone to orient their life this way? Not even specifically about Nintendo, but you see this shit for celebrities and companies and countries all over the place it's nuts.

>>716278675
Astro’s playroom is akin to that paid Switch 2 introductory game. All those other games are either remasters or no exclusives. The PS5 launched with 0 generation-exclusive original games.

>>716279006
Deathloop launched simultaneously on PC
FF7R intergrade was a re-release, so was Spider Man Remastered, so was Ghosts of Tsushima Director's Cut.
Are you like retarded and don't realize that you are making Sony fans look bad or are you doing this shit on porpoise.

>>716270831 (OP)
The Wii U was underpowered and a flawed concept. The Switch 2 is a bigger, more powerful, Switch with gamecube games and no less than 3 pokemom games incoming. Its the ultimate millenialcore console. Its foundation is much more stable than the Wii U and its advertising campaign is far better.

>>716270831 (OP)
Tomorrow's Famitsu thread is gonna be one for the history books, thanks for the entree Circana

>>716278442
Keep in mind too that’s just sell-through, not shipped. If Nintendo cranked out another few million units and keeps up restocks, that 20m FY estimate is going to look conservative by March. Demand’s sky-high and they haven’t even released the holiday bundles or the inevitable Pokémon edition yet. We're basically watching the opposite of the Wii U's trajectory in real time.

>>716270831 (OP)
better name

>>716280696
>Deathloop launched simultaneously on PC
Which is fair, but at that time it was console exclusive to PS5 if I remember right. I don't believe Xbox got it until a year later.
>FF7R intergrade was a re-release
It was still exclusive and the Yuffie content couldn't be played elsewhere.
>so was Spider Man Remastered
Again, exclusive and had exclusive suits tied to it.
>so was Ghosts of Tsushima Director's Cut.
This is fair though, Iki Island was cross-release.

>>716274451
No they weren't. That's laughably untrue.
>>716271410
>no they didn't it just happens to be hoveling off the coattails of steam deck
Or maybe their own Switch 1

>>716272851
Don't be fooled by OP Nintendo is PANICKING at the low sales.

>>716281530
Who exactly was predicting 1.8 million sales? 1.6 million was already record breaking.

>>716276903
So? The Wii U died way sooner than the Switch too.
The Switch is 8 years old and it'll still get games like Tomodachi, Prime 4 and Pokémon. What games was the Wii U getting this late into its lifetime?

i find it funny you cant even find one of these for normal price online still. id say fuck it and get one but id use a paypal pay in 4 since im poor

>>716282169
>So?
The point is that the Wii U's failure wasn't really from the lack of first-party titles and was constantly getting them. Most of the titles actually saw success when ported to Switch again showing it wasn't the games at fault but rather an amalgamation of things like the system itself, the naming, the marketing, and the quick loss of support because of all of it combined. The Wii U had the games it just didn't have the third-party backing or the marketing.

>>716281771
Probably some literal who. Anti-switch 2 grifters don't want to let go of the "It's another wii u situation" narrative

>>716282986
Well that's about to get completely blown the fuck out in about a week after the shareholder meeting.

>>716282312
Yeah, I remember everyone being hyped for the Wii U heavy hitters such as Starfox Zero, Amiibo Festival, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Color Splash and specially Tropical Freeze.
Let's not pretend Nintendo's 1st party output on Wii U was the best of all time. It was pretty good, but not on the level of what the Switch achieved

>>716281530
It's pretty sad to see the grifters haven't moved on. At this rate they'll keep claiming the Wii U 2 is real even when the Switch 2 passes 100 million units sold in half the time it took the Switch

Imagine wasting literal hours shitposting about the Switch 2 for literal months only for it to become a massive success.

>>716283194
Oh it definitely had some stinkers, don't get me wrong, it's just that many of the game sit had were massive hits on the Switch despite being borderline identical on the Wii U, people just didn't want to give the Wii U a chance.

>>716282986
It apparently comes from that test data Nintendo put out by mistake, the 5 million sales one. The breakdown had it selling 1.8 million in the Americas (not just US). He's saying it underperformed because it did 1.6m in the US alone.

So not only is he grifting using data Nintendo doesn't stand by, but the Switch 2 has probably actually done better than the 1.8m prediction anyway kek.

>>716283294
Nintendeen and Fritanga are still seething lol
>>716283364
I get what you're saying, the thing is those games became attractive to the masses the moment they were on a system that was simple to use and, most importantly, knew existed. The moment Nintendo decided to name the Wii U that, the console was destined to fail.

>>716274304
>no Zelda
>Mario reduced from adventure as big as the universe to... generic course clear
>no Animal Crossing
>no Metroid
>no Pokemon
>terrible Star Fox
>terrible Paper Mario
>launch title was 4th NSMB in 6 years
>NO ZELDA
Seriously just read that list out loud. Of course it flopped. They mostly learned their lesson by the Switch.
>Zelda day one
>Animal Crossing
>actually memorable Mario
>Metroid
>Pokemon
>allegedly better Paper Mario
>not rehash 2D Mario

>>716283797
Yeah there ain't no fuckin way the Switch 2 only sold 200k in Canada + Mexico in June. Shit's completely retarded.

>>716283364
Literally just BOTW and MK8, most of the other best selling Switch games are actually exclusives.

>>716270831 (OP)
can't take a wiiu outside. this is basically both the handheld product line and home console product line rolled into one product, so you can imagine that it gets all the people who would have bought a wii and all the people who would have bought a ds

People are not prepared for the insanity that pokemon z-a bundle will achieve

>>716284287
Nah, the gen X bundle to celebrate the 30th anniversary is gonna be the real fucking deal.

>>716284018
Yeah, that's a fair enough thing to bring up because a lot of their staples were just missing. I think a major issue was they were panicking after the initial mess and never recovered so they couldn't justify the "big" games. Even then with BotW they immediately ported it off.

>>716278531
Not sure that >casuals are never coming back part has aged well. Switch has sold 150 million and that's never happened with just hardcore gamers (PS2 had DVD player sales and DS brought in tons of casuals).

Also probably should have drilled more on the gamepad being an objectively bad idea. While I do like it (it's probably the reason I don't play Switch without a pro controller, the gamepad just felt too good), not even Nintendo could come up with many good ideas for it.

>>716284018
>>Mario reduced from adventure as big as the universe to... generic course clear
3D World is pretty good and it actually sold quite well on the Switch. The Wii U was just dead already by the time it came out.

Because retards thought it was an accessory for the wii, not a console itself

What was the fucking point of announcing pokemon ZA for the switch 1?

>>716285512
Because there are 150 million people who own a Switch

>>716285512
Makes the Switch 2 version look better

>>716283887
Everyone is fucking seething, the amount of nds that shows up on my youtube recommendations is absolutely insane, so much people have it and they always claim the media that is praising the Switch 2 is being disingenuous while still pushing the same lies, I think the funniest one I watched lately was someone saying that pushed a conspiracy theory that Nintendo pushed hype for DK Bananza to drive sales, as if the gaming release hype cycle hasn't always been a thing. Another stating that Nintendo hates their fans and goes around Japan shaking them down for money while in that same statement talking about how the Switch 2 is cheaper in Japan and that that's a bad thing.
NDS is the best, both the console and the derangement syndrome.

>>716286828
That last bit about shaking fans down is some eric tier shit lmao

>>716287238
I read it as more hyperbowl but how do you marry Nintendo hates it's Japanese fans with Nintendo gave Japan a heavily discounted Switch 2.

>>716286828
It went from being butthurt over the switch 1 to mentally ill levels of seething over the switch 2. I've never seen people seethe this hard over a fucking product before

>>716272851
>retard who milks the algo using AI slop to post blatant bullshit is somehow evidence.

>>716270831 (OP)
>Can someone please explain to me how the fuck did the Wii U flop but this somehow didn't?

Nintendo put a "2' at the end.

>>716290931
Wii had long collapsed once Nintendo had announced the WiiU, it was always going to be a failure, and it's good that it was since it pushed Nintendo into consolidating their development into a single piece of hardware.

>>716270831 (OP)
>1: the marketing was confusing (referring to the wii u as "the new controller" even reggie did this)
>2: the casual/normie boomer audience had already moved on from the wii to phone games
>3: the hardcore gamers didn't want it due to the stink of casual wii games
>4: the marketing was mediocre at best and cringe inducing at worst (like the infamous amiibo one)
>5:the gimmick didn't really work/wasn't that fun.
>6: the lack of games/system sellers/heavy hitters (zelda, 3D mario, etc)
>7: lack of good third party support
>8: the load times were absolute dog shit
>9: weird gimmick games nobody liked (amiibo festival)
10: nintendo still being new to HD development having growing pains (IE not using component cables)
11: the price

honestly the whole thing was a dumpster fire and a huge misstep, though it still has more games then the ps5

>>716286828
>someone saying that pushed a conspiracy theory that Nintendo pushed hype for DK Bananza to drive sales
AKA marketing your product. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

>>716270831 (OP)
>Can someone please explain to me how the fuck did the Wii U flop but this somehow didn't?

The switch and by extension the switch 2 are primarily handheld game consoles which Nintendo dominates and the switch 2 is basically a buffed up version of the switch 1, a very successful console.
The WiiU not only was a clusterfuck of a home console and completely different from its predecessor, but Nintendo also had the 3DS.

>>716270831 (OP)
It has video games.

>>716291201
>>4: the marketing was mediocre at best and cringe inducing at worst (like the infamous amiibo one)

Reggie green lighting these gave us cringe commercial kino I love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SChWdprUnzw

>>716290931
It was such a simple solution that everyone was convinced Nintendo would call it Switch U instead

>>716291047
>and it's good that it was since it pushed Nintendo into consolidating their development into a single piece of hardware
True. I enjoy paying currently gen prices for 2 gen old hardware that can't even run the games it's supposed to play properly, so it's good that Nintendo only releases a handheld.

>>716270831 (OP)
Everyone wanted a Switch Pro, this is Switch Pro and more.

>Nintendo's "censorship" shielded devs and creators on the eShop before the retarded credit card processors went full puritan
Angels often take terrifying form.

>>716291670
yeah they are funny bad but if you look at it from a marketing perspective, it's a awful idea to make ad's like that.

>>716270831 (OP)
Overshipping. Switch 2 sales will slow down soon.

>>716271490
>really like a thing
>find out people you dont like also like a thing
>stop liking that thing
Child behavior

>>716292960
How is it over shipping if demand is barely being met?

>>716292880
Nintendo isn't as puritan as you think, it's just that CERO has been alot more strict as of late.

>>716270831 (OP)
No one knew wtf the Wii U even was or that a Wii successor had even been released because of how shit the marketing was.
And the Switch 2 is backwards compatible with like 1000 8.0 or higher games and it's way more powerful so those games just run better.

>>716293047
>Nintendo isn't as puritan as you think
I don't think they're puritan at all actually, I just think incidents like the Kodaka game may have been attempts to protect their devs from scrutiny in sensitive markets where master card and visa could fuck shit up.

>>716270831 (OP)
It lauched with the sequel to the 5th best selling game of all time and a brand new game from the Mario team instead of the 4th sequel to a tired DS game and a mini game compilation.

>>716293021
FOMO. Switch 2 is basically a fad just like the wii

>>716293241
That doesn't support your argument at all and just shifts the goalposts.

>>716292880
Explains the meltdown by the usual suspects from two weeks ago

>>716281530
>Nintendo breaks records
>Invent some imaginary sales target
>Pretend that sales are disapointing when they miss said imaginary target
>Please ignore the fact that no console ever matched said imaginary target
Is he stupid?

>>716293645
He's making anti-nintendo bait videos, of course he's stupid.

>>716286828
>someone saying that pushed a conspiracy theory that Nintendo pushed hype for DK Bananza to drive sales
Oh no! How dare they make games for their console. They should do like Sony and Microsoft by releasing nothing interesting for 5 years straight. Anything else is unfair. No but seriously how brainrotted are these people.

>>716293280
qrd?

>>716292785
Holy shit, I wasn't aware that the Xbox 360 was as advanced as Nvidia's 2020 GPU architecture.
Dumb nig.

>>716271460
The creature meant the Switch 1.

>>716293645
>>716293825
Typical tendies. It was the projection with the fake 5 million place holder, which listed 1.8 million for the Americas.

>>716296842
So, as per your own words, it was false information then? Glad we could sort this out

>>716270831 (OP)
this doesn't look like some stupid peripheral for the switch

people thought the wiiu was some stupid peripheral for the wii

>>716283261
What is sad is the comments on the video since they actually believe what he is saying.

>>716283887
Fritanga Is funny because he made a video about AI slop while having an AI Mario for the thumbnail. I don’t know how people can sub to him when he clearly thinks his viewers are tards

>>716296842
Hello Eric.

>>716270831 (OP)
It's a better product. Switch 1 and 2 exchanged power for portability and convenience, Wii U exchanged power for a fuckhuge controller that no dev knew what to with and that you couldn't even use too far away from the console.

>>716270831 (OP)
it had a strong launch lineup with good marketing, retard.
>B-B-B-BUT IT'S JUST MARIO KART---
yes nigger

>>716281075
Re-releases of ps4 games with some exclusive content arent really "exclusives", anon. Ps5 barely got any true exclusive until ratchet and clank released months later.

Switch 2 already has 2 within 2 months. Not even the switch 1 had 2 exclusives that good within 2 months of its life.

>>716270831 (OP)
People believed media lies back then but they don't now

>>716296842
>”Switch 2 is flopping because they expect to sell 1.8 million in the Americas but only sold 1.6 million in the US alone”
> 1.6 million in the US alone
I wonder if retards realize that this only makes it more impressive. Not counting Canada or Mexico they basically reached what they expected for the whole NA region

>>716270831 (OP)
Because the Wii U wasn't called the Wii 2

>>716270831 (OP)
>Can someone please explain to me how the fuck did the Wii U flop but this somehow didn't?
Wii grannies didn't play video games they played Wii. The only core gamers Nintendo retained primarily played handheld titles like Pokemon so the WiiU had nothing to offer them. Switch cannibalized the handheld audience so they had to buy into the Switch ecosystem which they stayed in for the Switch 2. For core gamers the Switch's handheld nature made it a secondary console in their eyes, it's pretty common for someone to own 2 consoles (or a gaming PC + console) so someone owning a Switch + their primary gaming platform is extremely common.

>>716297992
Wii had attach rate of 9 games per 1 console. It beat NES, SNES, N64 and only barely got edged out by Gamecube

>>716270831 (OP)
Everyone else already gave enough reasons for why the wiiU flopped but no one mentioned the abysmal launch games.

>New super mario bros U
>Nintendoland

Then Zombi U and a bunch of ports.

Like, seriously. NSMBU?? Nintendo fucking land? They were seriously tonedeaf as to what their actual audience were. Nothing against either of these on their own, but not even enthusiasts are spending 300+ bucks over the privilege of playing these. It was nothing like the wii launch. Nintendo land was a clusterfuck concept compared wii sports and NSMBU wasnt a brand new meaty fucking Zelda game.

And about ZombiU, I guess they learnt that ubi soft wasnt all that anymore. Seriously, they someone at nintendo played that and went "yeah, this will sell the console to hardcore audience".

Im a huge nintenfriend and i remember feeling so deeply cold about the whole thing.

>>716270831 (OP)
Look at this abomination. It looks like a portable device but you can't take it anywhere with you, more so you have to sit beside TV constantly switching where you look between that TV and the screen in your hands. Who's idea was that?
Switch on the other hand is a stand alone portable device that you can take with you and play anywhere. But you can also hook it up to your TV and play on big screen. If you can't figure out by yourself why one flopped and the other is huge success you might actually have room temperature IQ, it's a miracle you was able to pass the capcha, congrats on that.