Thread 716334625

>the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2
How did this lie take shape in any form?
The more i look into it, the more i find a new popular game that had its worst port on GC
right now I have
>Def Jam fight for NY
>NFSHP2
>NFSU
>NFSU2
>NFSMW
>THUG
>THUG 2
>Capcom vs SNK2
>splinter cell
>MGS twin snakes looks miles behind MGS2
and theres the games that never got ported to GC because it was too weak like the GTA games and Burnout 3
The only argument i find in favor for the GC is RE4 but the PS2 port was made in less than 6 months and was obviously rushed

>>716334625 (OP)
I dunno but the PS2 is literally more impressive, graphically, than any console to me. I don't give a fuck about resolutions or frame rates since you can just emulate the games and that's all other systems offered most of the time.
PS2 is the only one that does stuff that other systems didn't, like how SOTC is a fucking incredible game with all those transparent texture particle effects.

>>716334939
Ive yet to find a game in GC that had as much going on as Burnout Revenge
With how much traffic that game has, all the particle effects, the car model quality AND it runs at 60 fps
It was insane what Criterion could pull of on RenderWare

>all but one of them are western slop
I implore you to play better games. Also THUG2 runs better on Gamecube than PS2.

>>716335604
That makes two
Any other examples?

>>716334625 (OP)
simple .there are gamecube launch titles which look better than any game in the ps2 library. the ps2 has the superior library though. PS2 chads keep seething 25 years later that a nintendo console bested them in a single area. Its possibly some form of autism. in 25 more years ps2 fangeezers will still be seething as they get wheeled away in the retirement home shouting about this at retired old gamecube chads.

>>716335898
>simple .there are gamecube launch titles which look better than any game in the ps2 library.
nope

>>716335674
Sonic Heroes, Riders, and Shadow The Hedgehog run better on the Gamecube in fact the PS2 versions are the worst version to play

>>716335674
Super Monkey Ball
Viewtiful Joe 2
Sonic Heroes
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic Riders
Soul Calibur 2
Tales of Symphonia
Killer 7
Metal Arms Glitch in the System
Serious Sam Next Encounter
TimeSplitters Future Perfect
Crazy Taxi

>>716336142
I've heard Killer7 is also better on gamecube, but I've only played it on ps2 so I can't confirm, great game though, even on the playstation, one of the few games in existence that made me write down notes to make sense of the story

>>716334625 (OP)
GC had a ton of titles that ran at a locked 60 fps.
PS2 only has gow which could manage 42 fps or some shit and was generally terrible at running 3rd party games.

>>716336203
Thank you PS2 and incompetent Tales developers for making every single Symphonia release after the GC one run at 30fps.

>>716334625 (OP)
I suppose the GCN not being popular could mean devs did not spend a lot of time polishing ports or adding features.

>>716336738
Most ports ran worse on ps2 than on cube.

>>716334625 (OP)
It's not a lie, GC is more powerful. What held it back was the use of proprietary disc format, that is only around 2 gigs in size, so developers had to compromise.
Also NFSHP2 is equally bad on anything except PS2, since it's practically 2 different games.

>>716337267
Imagine if Nintendo didn't fuck it up by using mini discs, they'd still follow the graphics battle and win against Sony

>>716336804
in my experience this is true. in most ways the gamecube weirdly enough was more powerful than the ps2. i say weirdly because after the wii they never tried to make a powerful console again.there are a few ways that the ps2 outperforms the gamecube though in niche situations. so there are occasional gaes that run better on ps2 than gamecube and there are niche stuations where a ps2 will do something like an effect that causes slow down on the xbox which was much stronger on average that gc or ps2.

>>716334625 (OP)
snoy cope thread, im convinced PS2 held back that gen since everything must be developed with that piece of shit as base most of the time

>>716337540
I don't know why the Gamecube failed (okay, the lack of DVD drive was one reason). It had a solid lineup and great games the first months of release. Rogue Leader alone made the console worth it. Maybe the lack of games like GTA or Final Fantasy killed it.

>>716334625 (OP)
Sony fanboys still obsessed about this huh

>>716335674
>Any other examples?
Pretty much every single multiplat was better on GC.
In fact, it would be easier to list games that ran better on PS2 (can't think of any atm).

>>716338195
Because Nintendo was already fucking it up using carts with the N64, quality of games don't matter if your shitbox can only hold 64 MBs(N64)/1.5 GBs (GC) while normal discs are like 4 GBs

>>716334625 (OP)
The CPU and GPU have a faster clockrate, but there's less RAM overall.

>>716334625 (OP)
Ps2 has the better library and won the console war, do you need to pretend the ps2 had better graphics?

Also twin snakes was outsourced to a smaller canadian studio, mgs2 was in house. Cvs2 isnt any better on ps2, buy a fight stick. A dualshock may be better than a gcn controller for fighters but both blow so much ass.

Def jam is a fucking meme game, who cares.

>>716334625 (OP)
Tendies trying to revision history, they tried the same with the N64.

>>716339727
Dbz budokai mightve been 60 fps on ps2 30 on gcn, cant remember where i heard that though and i cant verify it either, cant find any information about it

>>716344107
RE4 was made for the gaycube and ported to the PS2 in a rush because the gaycube was selling like shit.

I am still waiting for Shinji Mikami's head to roll btw.

>>716334625 (OP)
PS2 had tons of neat tricks that only its hardware architecture could pull off like full-screen filters and tons of particle effects with no performance penalty. In exchange, the actual render resolution was kinda low and basically none of these neat tricks could be directly ported to other systems.
Since PS2 was the lead platform for most games due to sales numbers, a lot of ports to other platforms ended up skipping those graphical effects entirely since it would've either taken too much effort or been straight up impossible to replicate on non-PS2 hardware of the era.
Other consoles like Gamecube and Xbox might have been faster at just pushing polygons at a much higher resolution with nicer image quality, but you put a fuckton of particles on screen at once or heavy motion blur and all that horsepower advantage disappears.

>>716344605
Why was he so sure RE4 would never go to another console?

>>716344107
>image
any sort of foliage looks like dogshit on ps2 almost like ps1 graphics. its fucking sad honestly. ps2 has a lot of good games you cant play anywhere else but playing them i often have the thought "this would look better on one of the other consoles if they had it"

>>716344831
He was mad with Sony because they put a DVD player in the PS2, I am not making this up.

>>716334625 (OP)
PS2 generally has better sound and texture quality so it's better for THUG. There's plenty of games that haven noticeably compressed assets on GameCube. GC will usually have higher framerate than PS2 though.

>>716345043
NTA but lets be honest it makes sense it would be sony to be the first console to let you watch movies on it, and a console playing movies was probably the beginning of the end when you think about it. never needed that option. once you normalize the concept of using a console for something that isnt videogames you basically have opened up the floodgates to it turning into whatever the fuck consoles are today.

>>716345279
Yeah but who ended up winning the 6th console gen? Sony.
Just think about it, it is 2001 and little Timmy wants a console for Christmas that it so happens to be a DVD player for mom and dad.

>>716345532
as much as i like all 3 consoles from that generation ps2 was 100% the NPC console of that generation if there was one. did they change the ps2 dvd interface/UI at any point? i have a silver slim and ive used it to play DVDs a few times and its honestly dogshit compared to a normal standalone dvd player. idk if its just the controller tweaking or what but i my impression is its always a pain in the ass selecting commands properly watching a dvd on that versus whatever walmart dvd player we had in the past. just was a smoother experience.

>>716345532
>Yeah but who ended up winning the 6th console gen? Sony.
If we were talking about the 7th, or 8th youd ignore the fact that nintendo won those generations

>>716346434
>youd ignore the fact that nintendo won those generations
And you'd ignore the fact that the Wii U was a failure just like the N64 and Gaycube.

>If my console sold more it doesnt matter that the graphics are worse
>but if my other favorite console has better graphics it doesnt matter that it sold less
>and if it couldnt do either it doesnt matter because the small selection of games it does have, are just better >:]

>>716334625 (OP)
>How did this lie take shape in any form?
...people who have actual technical knowledge and can read specs?

>>716336358
that a lie crash runs 60fps on ps2, 30 for the gaycube

>>716334625 (OP)
PS2 runs at like 480i. Look at the screen shot. There isn't even any anti aliasing on the game. The thing is that a lot of devs put a lot of time into getting the shitty "emotion engine" to work on PS2 games.

>>716335674
Resident Evil 4, Killer 7 looks worse on PS2.

>>716334939
SOTC ran at 15fps. Meanwhile Metroid Prime runs at 60fps.

>>716337540
They didn't learn their lesson from N64 days. If it wasn't for abysmally small capacity of the cartridges Nintendo was so adamantly defensive about, Final Fantasy would still be a Nintendo exclusive, for starters.

>>716338195
It didn't have the marketing money that Sony had. Remember all those fucking awful PS2 ads that had nothing to do with games? They were terrible BUT they were everywhere and CONSTANT. Nintendo would not have the money for heavy advertising until the Wii, and again with the Switch.

>>716347010
this is literally the SNOY mindset, there is this autistic ps2 poster here who keeps making threads about how the ps2 version of re4 is best, and he keeps saying that graphics dont matter. which is crazy because sony fans never shut up about how good the graphics are on their consoles
>ps1/n64
>ps3/wii/xbox360
etc

i honestly dont even care much about graphics in general and think we didnt need anything more than what we had in the mid 2000s but that level of mental gymnastics is retarded snoy cope

>>716338195
>shit games
>less games
>no cd support
>no dvd support
>no backwards compatibility
>no online
people go where the games are and the shitcube had none, among other things. ps2 simply outclasses it everywhere

>the wii is less powerful than og xbox
>nobody complains when you call the wii a 7th gen console
>call the switch a 9th gen console
>people shit themselves
Explain

>>716347602
>about how the ps2 version of re4 is best
it is. more weapons, more costumes, more scenarios, better controls, widescreen

cubies have….better cutscenes…and ….uh…..

>>716347310
I dont recall any anti aliasing in any ps2 game. Nor ps1 or ps4, sony seems to hate anti aliasing.

Btw 3rd strike and the dmc trilogy ran at 60 fps, the ps2 did have games that ran 60 fps. But even so i think multiplats were usually better elsewhere, for the reasons explained here:>>716344784

>>716344971
I often find myself wishing thered been gamecube ports of ico or drakengard (inb4 but they would censor it!!) and other games.

>>716344831
Probably because he didn't think Capcom would fuck up so fucking bad and stick to the GC. Nintendo gave Capcom so much (remember Minish Cap being by Capcom?) and they managed to fuck it all up. Basically every dev/publisher that tried to fuck Nintendo in favor of the PS2 ended up paying for it during the Wii. Those people that did Rogue Squadron but their last game was Lair for PS3, silicon knights, Namco had to be bought out by Bandai, Koei and Tecmo had to merge, Capcom suffered heavy losses that they had to pander to the west and outsource to Canada, Konami had to go full retard with pachinko, Square-Enix never recovered until Nintendo PAID for Dragon Quest games to even be developed and had to take up publishing and distribution duties because they were so fucked. That whole era is the second video game crash but nobody ever talks about it.

>>716347809
KEK youre in the thread using the same argument
>Plural weapons
its ONE meme laser gun
>more costumes
Leon and ashley each get ONE meme costume
>more scenarios
Ada gets ONE throwaway meme mission which is reused assets
>better controls
Nope it was made for the gamecube controller from day 1
>widescreen
doesnt matter it just stretches it out and you see more of a worse image

You CANT call us CUBIES ive already told you. Only WE can say that word. We took the word back.

>>716346858
>>716346434
I think he means that the Switch is 8th Gen. It isn't. 8th Gen was won by ShitStation 4. 9th gen was won by Switch.

>>716334625 (OP)
It is, objectively. PS2 has advantage of having full sized DVDs, but Gamecube has better hardware

>>716348103
>d-doesnt count
sorry cubie, anyone’s picking more content over more cutscenes. go watch a dvd if you like movies so much OH WAIT YOU CANT LOL
>noope, the shitcube controller is atrocious
>does matter, what doesn’t matter is the shitcube’s cutscenes
kill yourself cubie, re4 is a ps2 classic and your shitcube beta version will never be better

>>716348254
>places ps2 disc in gamecube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQsf8wRiEoc

>>716348150
Switch is 8th gen, where does anyone claim otherwise besides you? Just because it competed with (well, slaughtered might be a better term) 9th gen systems doesn’t make it 9th gen.

>>716337267
>proprietary
>literally a dvd

>>716348350
>it doesnt count
it doesnt count unless you have autism. you repeatedly use the argument that it has more guns. (plural) it doesnt. it has one meme laser gun which doesnt even suit the game and for all intents and purposes is capcom fucking around. its no different than the megaman blaster in Dead rising. if you care that much download the PC version and add in more guns. RE4 has a shitload of guns no body cares about this. Some other guy in the last thread listed a bunch of ways they downgraded the game to accommodate the ps2. it isnt just graphics.

i have normal sized hands the ps2 controller is too small and is shaped like a brick. the gamecube controller is way more ergonomic. it has proper triggers, conform to the shape of a hand, and is not minuscule. the ps2 controller is about 10% shorter than an xbox one controller there was never any reason for it to be so small. As i said before in the other thread my guess is at the time it was just made for japanese people first and they probably have smaller hands even accounting for identical body fat percentage because last time you tried to deflect this by saying only fat people think your controller is tiny.


i use my ps2 more than i use my gamecube so im not biased saying this, the ps2 controller sucks.

>>716347602
Gen 5: the ps1 and n64s hardware are bothadequate, but multiplats as far as ive seen tend to be better on ps1. I dont want to play mm legends in 20fps with short render distance, i dont want to play thps with compressed music. I know the n64 has better antialiasing and more stable polygons and its better for 3d platformers but idc.
Gen 6: multiplats seem to look better on gamecube, higher poly more detailed textures. Would choose gcn over ps2 when possible
Gen 7: ps3 beats wii so hard its not even funny and no amount of wagglan gimmicks will make up for it

Just judging based on the multiplats exclusives is a whole other discussion

>>716349280
nope, i certainly it counts more than shitty cutscenes
nope, said anon was a graphicstranny
nope, you’re a fat fuck too obese to hold a normal controller
cope cubie you lost

>>716350080
why are you like this are you a cubechad falseflagging to make snoys look retarded?

>>716334625 (OP)
I don't know about all that, I just emulate multiplat games on GC because Dolphin runs a lot better than PCSX2.

>>716347809
>>about how the ps2 version of re4 is best
>it is. more weapons
Nice additions, not vital
>more costumes,
Who actually cares
>more scenarios
Cool, but the game was already complete
>better controls, widescreen
Its a 6th gen game, i dont care if it has widescreen i want to play it on a crt. Better controls? You mean you prefee the dualshock, whatever
>cubies have….better cutscenes…and ….uh…..
It looks better during gameplay too, and it isnt close either. Youre being disengenious on purpose.

GC's mini DVDs store have smaller storage so they have to cut down on things in order to make things fit. A lot of games difference between other systems is because of that.

>>716350289
>not vital
yeah they are
>who cares
anyone who likes games more than cutscenes
>already complete
nope ada’s story is never explained
>looks better
go watch a movie cubie
>>716350189
cubie you lost and the shitcube flopped

>>716348828
Those shitty mini dvd's held less than half of what a regular dvd could, and no one made them.

playing a couple games concurrently between my ps2 and my gamecube(via wii so fps is better which is kind of cheating) (and xbox too)

i like that gamecube games are 480p where ps2's arent, the image quality is better but it does get bad ports whether the hardware is good or not, nfs games have universally worse textures and chopped down audio, and while performance is better than ps2 it misses a lot of ps2 specific post processing

but in 2025 who the fuck cares? buy a ps2 and buy a wii they both cost pennies and enjoy games on both of them and appreciate that platforms had differences back then and aren't homogenised and identical the way they are now

>>716350582
>shitcube is such a barebones piece of shit, she has to leech off of the wii for it to have any value
fucking kek, cubies will always be pathetic parasites

>>716350495
>gamecube failed so hard snoys are still seething trying to convince people the gamecube is worse than the ps2 25 YEARS later

SNOYS took one single L in the graphics compartment from the gamecube of all things and they are still anally devastated and utterly buckbroken almost 3 DECADES later

>>716334625 (OP)
It's not a lie. Game cube just suffers from a smaller storage and poor third party support. If playstation is the platform that is selling then you optimize games for them. It simple.

>>716350582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWS4Iglv5A
the fact that they didnt even bother trying to give it any of the real time lighting effects should tell you how much more powerful the other consoles are than the ps2. the ps2 has some niche things its better at which is why you occasionaly get a game that runs better on the ps2 because it takes advantage o its strengths. but just looking up the specs of the consoles online you can see why more multiplats looks better on gamecube (But they would look better on xbox so its redunant)

I think because it had bad ports like RE4 and Max Payne, if the game was intended for PS2 no problems here, but obviously your RE4 "ONLY ON GAMECUBE TM" attracted a lot of bullshit.

>>716350709
they're still buttblasted about Twin Snakes being a GC exclusive.
>muh ocelot fight
>muh first person camera ruins the balance
they don't know guards don't disappear after you kill them and they get replaced with a new one, so going all guns blazing doesn't work. It's they never played MGS2 and they only have nostalgia for the yearly brazilian PES 6 mod.

>>716350548
You could buy spindles of them easily (and still can).

>>716350709
Reading over the thread, its totally just one fucking autist or troll, i think most ps2 fans either just dont know or just dont care that multiplats look better on gamecube, i think most ps2 fans are pretty chill about the whole thing
>>716350723
>and poor third party support
A little weird to say when its not as if xbox or dreamcast had much better 3rd party support.

>>716350709
cubie no matter how many times you write these long schizophrenic cope posts and samefag as if anyone likes shit snakes, the shitcube is still dead, flopped, and the only people who like it in 2025 are tarnsvestites speedrunning mario shitshine

>>716334625 (OP)
23 years & still coping i see

>>716351054
Twin snakes is the inferior version of mgs itd be a weird thing to be jealous of.
>>716350853
>the ps2 has some niche things its better at which is why you occasionaly get a game that runs better on the ps2 because it takes advantage o its strengths
It kinda feels like a reverse ps1 and n64 situation where the ps1 was generally better and the n64 was occasionally better

>>716351114
>A little weird to say when its not as if xbox or dreamcast had much better 3rd party support.
They didn't but playstation 2 was just a fucking monster that makes every other console looks like a flop.

>>716351178
ive never even finished a mario game, you are just buck broken by the cube. as i said before i play the ps2 more than the gamecube. but games like metroid prime or rogue leader wouldnt have even been possible on the ps2.

>>716337267
>>716350368
Or just add another disc...

>>716348605
It launched and started 9th gen. PS5 and Series X were delayed because of covid and the fact that they were using brand new chips instead of using already available chips from Nvidia. Wii U and 3DS were Nintendo's 8th Gen systems. Switch is 9th. Switch 2 is 10th. Yes. We are in the 10th fucking generation already and PS6/Nextbox will be out in 2027 or 2028. Also it's embarrassing that the nerds at Wikipedia actually had fights about wether Switch was 8th or 9th. Their retardation got so bad that mods had to settle the Wikipedia article as being both an 8th/9th gen console. Yes, they are there fucking stupid.

>>716348828
It was a DVD LIKE optical media developed by Philips or Panasonic (can't remember). It spins backwards and is read from the inside to outside or the opposite of a regular DVD. Doing it this way also allowed the GameCube to have much faster load times that any other disc console at the time. And you can tell which devs didn't give a fuck because you can hear the disc laser moving back and forth trying to read like a regular disc.

>>716334625 (OP)
>the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2
The question is why are you listening to nintendo fans?

>>716334625 (OP)
Gamecube not only looked better most of the time, it ran better too.

>>716336804
Multiplat games generally ran the worst on whatever wasn't their primary platform because of things like missing or glitchy effects. This leads people to make whacky comparisons and say that one system is better than another for unreliable reasons. In general fidelity and framerates, PC > Xbox > GC > PS2 >= DC (IMO DC had better devs that made content to match the system, but it's pretty clearly weaker than PS2, hence the backport of GTA being so difficult)

>>716351351
>on top of having less weapons, less costumes, no widescreen, less scenarios, and shittier controls, cubies also need 2 discs because of the shitcube’s draconian drm
grim
>>716351351
cubie you sit in a cock cage while watching re4 cutscenes on wii, not even using the shitcube lol. you lost

>>716351054
Most Sony fans' first Metal Gear Solid is unironically MGS3, which was the beginning of the shitty Kojima retcons.

>>716351713
>>716337267

>>716351778
can you teach me how to shitpost like you? are you retarded or do you have some kind of trick to put yourself in the mindset of a retard? how much practice did it take to accomplish this?

>>716351280
I think the N64 and PS1 (and Saturn) were all so different in their strengths that it is honestly difficult to compare them in any sort of meaningful way because it's too easy to point at a title and say "the other console couldn't have done this as well." The multiplatforms that do exist did the same thing that happened the following gen: there was a focus console and then a port. Megaman Legends is a great example.

>>716352083
all I’ve said is the trvth, cubies. all you’ve said is you’re fat and a prefer cutscenes over games

>>716336217
Also from Capcom, RE4 on ps2 is just bad. A lot of differences in graphics and also enemy count.

>>716352083
Hes a newfag and bad a trolling. He only managed to climb to 90 posts by incessently bumping his own thread.

I think when you troll you should work smart not hard, come up with a good original post for the thread and back off mostly, if you need to constantly come in and stoke the flames the fuel isnt good enough

>>716344831
Maybe hardware, the ps2 version is really gimped when compared to the GC.

>>716352224
If mm legends had been designed around the 64, would it have been better than the ps1 version that we got? Do we live in the wrong timeline?

>>716334625 (OP)
It was /vr/ faggots shitposting with images of RE4 specifically

>>716334625 (OP)
Because it was? Xbox was the most powerful console of the Gen but PS2 was underpowered compared to the GC. >>716351730 is the most correct. Best examples I can think of from my library is literally any Lucasarts game, Metal Arms Glitch in the System, and Harvest Moon a Wonderful Life. AWL is literally unplayable on PS2 because of the framerate outside of any small building, and I remember picking it up well after gen 6 on PS2 thinking the GC was just like that as well but fucking nope. Got a new copy of AWL on GC and it was smooth.

You could always tell when a game was originally made for the shitstation and then ported to the cube, cause the loading times would be like 20x as long as a first party game.

The Gamecube had obvious hardware shortcomings outside of the mini discs. SADX just outright doesn't run as well as the DC version despite running at a higher framerate. Games that required faster fill or more RAM couldn't be ported to GC, and developers were vocal about that. Sure, games that started on GC looked worse on other consoles, but most games on all three turned out kinda rough on GC in some way (NFSU texture work is embarrassing for example).

What the Cube does have is a decent set of exclusives for the time, and a small but fervent and relentless group of fans with actual social disabilities. Sonic going to Cube really fucked up a generation.

>>716344831
He was just being a good company man. Capcom just signed an exclusivity deal with Nintendo so Mikami did his part promoting the GC and trying not to hint at a possible ps2 port.

>>716336203
>sonic
>tales shovelware
Is this really the kind of garbage gamecube faggots were playing lol? SSX is better on PS2 and it’s mogs your while list of garbage

Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion absolutely mog anything on the PS2 graphically. Most games were designed for the PS2 and then ported to gamecube, so comparing them doesn't make sense. The best looking GC games looked miles better than the best looking ps2 games.

>>716353647
They also run at a solid 60 fps while ps2 struggles with 30.

>>716353775
>shitshine
>60fps
kek cubies dont even play their own dogshit. ps2 had waaay more 60fps games

>>716350853
>should tell you how much more powerful the other consoles are than the ps2
yeah we know
i don't care
i like the ps2 and i like the way games look on it
sometimes more than xbox/gamecube, sometimes not

if you can't afford all 3 in 2025 and you need to platform war i think you should just kill yourself

t. has all 3 consoles and 2 controllers for each one and plays them all with my cute gf

Here's a quick and dirty comparison by the way
Ratchet clank vs Mario sunshine

>>716354097
Based ratchet being funner to play and running at 60fps unlike shitshine

>>716353647
007 Nightfire actually had bots in multiplayer for GameCube.

>>716353896
Very true. The difference is cheats exist to restore Sunshine to the 60fps it was at E3. It was capped at 30 because some effects and parts will make the game chug. Most PS2 games are not capped at 30 while still mostly able to do 60. They just can't do it.

>>716354156
Its because Sunshine was actually graphically impressive. I dunno why but I always thought Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Dexter always looked fucking ugly and souless. Like something that would come from a French or a British game dev.

>>716353647
>Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion absolutely mog anything on the PS2 graphically.
They're aesthetically pleasing games at most. In fact most games on PS2 aren't possible on the GC from a graphical perspective.

>>716353647
>The best looking GC games looked miles better than the best looking ps2 games.
In terms of poly counts and texture detail yeah but the ps2 also had a lot of exclusives where thanks to the art direction, they arguably look better than the best of what the gamecube has to offer. But they absolutely would have looked better on gamecube

Also its Funny, i think windwaker looks better than the more technically impressive games on the system like fzero or sunshine etc etc

>>716354319
While i never cared for r&c or j&d personally... soulless? For real? You gotta be just as much of a shill as the dude spamming LOL SHIT CUBE LOL CUBIE FAG to fucking think those games are soulless come on

>>716354621
>In fact most games on PS2 aren't possible on the GC from a graphical perspective.
somehow one of the most retarded posts in this thread, great job bro.

>>716356091
faster fill on ps2 with more resources available. Where are all the third party games, bro?

>>716354752
>windwaker looks better
I think it's because the game assets look larger on screen. I feel like there was a reverse of game graphics from the old days. Like pixel based games on newer hardware had larger and more colorful sprites until we hit 3D era. And then it felt like characters were made smaller and smaller but more detailed. I think that's why modern fighting games look so bad. The characters just look smaller than they should and there's a bigger focus on the backgrounds having way more detail than they should have. Or when you do some ultra special move the game pauses to load in the higher resolution LOD character for the close ups.

>>716356292
>faster fill with more resources available
If the ps2 is so good at that shit why does foliage look like absolute shit on the ps2?
>where are the third party devs
The cube got as much support as the xbox, a console that is undeniably more powerful than the ps2

>>716355997
Ok I looked it up. J&D 1 looked pretty good. R&C is still souless. Maybe I was thinking of Sly or one of other countless pS2 furry/character games that all blend in my brain.

>>716334625 (OP)
why is it so hard to find good quality actual console capture on youtube? all gameplay i find is emulated FFS

>>716356698
I remember trying to find kh comparison footage between the og and the ps3 and 4 remasters. Found one where the dumb cunt had the ps2 release stretched making it look like shit.

>>716356486
>muh grasses!
Bro, even ancient history games slated to go to the DC like Max Payne weren't possible on Cube, and that's not a storage concern. Basically anything made by Criterion was proven impossible on Cube (Black, Burnout 3 and up).
>The cube got as much support as the xbox
The Xbox practically got MORE support. Basically every major third party game went there and tons of games not possible either on PS2 or Cube.

>>716356664
>>716353775
>didnt know Sunshit wasn’t 60fps
>didnt know what Jak looked like until he looked it up
Cubies dont play games, they jerk their micro clittys to re4 cutscenes and smelee streams

>>716357426
>jerk their micro clittys to re4 cutscenes
RE4 was genuinely too scary for the Gamecube fanbase.

>>716353647
tendies are truly retarded

>>716357426
Most gamecube fags are secondary Wiicuck zoomers who fell for the retro collecting meme from Youtubers. Most of them never held a GC controller in their life

>>716334625 (OP)
>the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2
>How did this lie take shape in any form?
Because it's true.
>port
>ported
>port
Yeah, that's the problem. 3rd party games didn't do well on GC so PS2 development was prioritized and games were ported, often cheaply and quickly, to GC.

>>716357426
>they jerk their micro clittys
Weird fetish you got there bro

>>716358537
>n-nice fetish y-you have ther*dilates*

>>716358826
>he saves pictures of trannies
Not helpin your case buddy

>>716358513
Precisely. Compare RE4 on GCN and PS2, much cleaner looking game on the former. Same goes for Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Soul Calibur II (Xbox looks the best but that's beside the point).

>>716358917
all i did was search “gamecube fan” and that’s the first thing that came up, cubie

>>716358513
>games need to START development on the gamecube to take FULL advantage of muh hardware!
I've heard that line from PS2 fags back during its launch. Meanwhile, even simple games like SADX constantly hitch in gameplay on real hardware. Imagine getting BTFO by a fuckin' Dreamcast with even LESS storage space on-disc.

>>716336203
>Timesplitters Future Perfect
Yeah but on Cube you are dealing with that analog nub.

The true MVP was Xbox.
https://youtu.be/-_Y2eypxcmk?si=4j1_QpA1zIKdr3Z2

And it's on sale for Two Fiddy rn ong bussin what a good deal!
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/EP4062-PPSA23847_00-TIMESPLITTERS3FP

>>716334625 (OP)
PS2 was easier to develop for. Though Xbox was even easier.

Gamecube was generally more powerful outside of a few outliers (burnout 3 etc) and the ridiculously small storage medium.
>>716354205
there weren't bots in nightfire on ps2? How about Xbox?

>>716359084
Not true

brownstation 2

>>716359382
There were bots on Xbox. Only PS2 has no bots.

>>716359104
>it wasn't cause of bad ports, just look at this notoriously bad port
uh huh

>>716359382
>Gamecube was generally more powerful outside of a few outliers (burnout 3 etc) and the ridiculously small storage medium.
Storage could make textures look like shit but that wasn't the primary concern. It was RAM and its fucked up limited GPU. Anything with dynamic lighting for example didn't make it to gamecube.

>>716338195
Its primarily the lack of DVD playback, with being late to the 6th gen in close second.
Remember, the PS2 was on the market for just over a year before the cube arrived. Even if nintendo did use DVDs, the damage would have likely already been done.

>>716357731
Yet it got Resident Evil remake, which is actually scary unlike RE4.

>>716338195
no games

>>716359775
Uh sweety, almost no games had dynamic lighting at the time. Even so, Luigis Mansion had dynamic lighting at fucking launch. It also had physics, which almost no game was doing.

>>716359686
Capcom is like the only company that had games start development on Gamecube. And they ported those shits to PS2 as fast as humanly possible.

The reason I brought up SADX in the first place is it's a perfect example of a game that should run without any issues considering it's a fucking 1998 game from Dreamcast, but hitches anyway.

>>716359889
>it got a shitty butchered soulless version of re1 ps2 chads already played
praise for the shitcube feels like its done more out of pity than its own merits. games were bad, the library is small, the controller is awful, it lacked basic dvd/cd and online support with no backwards compatibility either. what a pathetic pile of shit

>>716360038
A shitload of PS2 releases had dynamic lighting and shader wackiness not possible on Cube before 2001. Even sports shit pulled this off

>>716347401
prime has 0 appeal, sotc is one of the best games ever made

>>716348605
>Wikipedia says in 8th gen so it must be true
If console comes after the 8th gen, it's 9th gen. Literally, every knows this except you and wiki retards.

>>716334625 (OP)
Because it's true you goddamn nigger.

>>716334625 (OP)
System architecture was way different between consoles back then so developers would specialize on developing for one system or they would optimize for the console they thought would get them the most sales. Which was of course the PS2 most of the time. The system specs are open knowledge however and both the Gamecube and especially the Xbox blew the ps2 out of the water in that regard.

>>716360815
>half the RAM of PS2
>no programmable shaders for visual effects
>no visually complex or large open-world games to speak of
>somehow more powerful than PS2
I knew you were retarded but I didn't expect you to be this stupid.

>>716360261
>Gaylords are now pretending that Remake 1 was bad

>>716360436
GameCube had to compile it's on shaders. That's why almost all PS2 games looked similar while GameCube titles didn't. It was basically the Unreal Engine of its time with Emotion Engine shit. Also Luigi's Mansion had dynamic Shadows with dynamic lighting. I think the only other games to have dynamic Shadows was Splinter Cell and F.E.A.R.

>>716344107
>Def jam is a fucking meme game, who cares.

It's not though. I don't like N's but Fight for New York is a no joke quality game

(Unlike RE4)

https://def-jam-wrestling.fandom.com/wiki/Def_Jam_Fight_For_NY

>There are features exclusive to PS2 and Xbox that are missing from the GameCube version. The player is restricted to having one voice for the main character - as opposed to the six found in other versions. Eight of the 28 available music tracks are missing. The Gamecube's hardware lacks the light blur effect that permeates on the characters and arenas. Furthermore, certain 3 or 4 player arenas have reduced crowds.

This wiki doesn't even mention how compressed a lot of the textures are on the GC. Also should I even mention how games like SSX Tricky literally had to cut tricks due to the Gamecubes controller not having enough buttons?

>>716360698
I still don't know why wiki retards refused to admit that it was a 9th gen release.

>>716353647
Too bad Luigi's shitty ass Mansion can't mog any game in any other way besides graphics

>>716361949
>cubies are so starved for games, a shitty, phoned in, butchered, soulless full priced demake of RE1 is one of their best titles
lmfao. the best version of RE will always be the Director's Cut on PS2 with component cables. seethe and cope, faggot

>EA was still supporting
>GC is so weak, they had to cancel their Burnout 3 port
>Meanwhile Xbox and PS2 get Burnout 3 and Revenge

>>716362234
>playing Jill

You never beat the game.

>>716334625 (OP)
Kill yourself console warrior

>>716361118
>>no visually complex or large open-world games to speak of
>Windwaker and Twilight Princess are not a thing

Also it can do shaders but you had to program them. That's probably why Nintendo water looked so good.

>>716362116
>Fight for New York is a no joke quality game
>(Unlike RE4)
Youre absolutely retarded

>>716347692
how the hell did the master system have a 20.9 attach rate

>>716362606
>That's probably why Nintendo water looked so good.
What was the deal with water in the 6th gen? Across all systems they kept focussing on settings with lots of water, pokemon, ff, mario, zelda, sonic

>>716334625 (OP)
It was. It had more ram, a faster GPU, and CPU.
But often this didn't matter as devs rarely ever optimized for it for multiplats, so it wasn't uncommon for the GC to get shit ports that ran worse then the PS2 even with it's weaker hardware.
Also, the smaller storage did hurt it for some games.

>>716362070
Even Shenmue had realtime lighting and shadows, it's not new tech, it was just way harder to do on the Cube. Certainly helps when your play area is fucking tiny like in LM.

>>716362204
This was the era where actual reviewers were getting replaced by shills. Like more and more people reviewers were hyping up movie style games over pick up and play stuff like Luigi's Mansion. I think that's also why GTA3 did so well. There wasn't a lot of narrative movie style games on consoles (plenty on PC).

>>716361118
>>716362753
So which had more ram ps2 or gcn

>>716362792
>Luigi fucks dressers and sucks off ghosts
>11/10 GOTY! JOURNOS WERE SHILLS
Maybe it was just a boring game.

>>716362792
Luigi's Mansion might as well be a movie with how short it is.

And GTA3 was so impressive at the time I just drove around and didn't do missions.

Sorry you weren't around then, but people rightfully gave GTA3 9's and 10's due to how impressive it was for the most impressive open world game at the time (I think there were previous attempts but nowhere near as good) while LM1 absolutely deserved to be shat on.

>>716362792
>This was the era where actual reviewers were getting replaced by shills
Have you read 90s gaming magazines dude

>>716362947
*for the most immersive

>>716362947
>And GTA3 was so impressive at the time I just drove around and didn't do missions
So impressive he didnt even play the game bros

>>716362234
You know there's way more that goes into whether Barry lives or die than just that right?

>>716347393
That's true for RE4 but RE4 was also supposed to be an exclusive to GC. Capcom promised nintendo multiple exclusives which is why we got games like REmake and RE 0. RE4 was a huge success and capcom basically betrayed nintendo and did a sloppy port job on the ps2. From what I remember the ps2 port used pre rendered videos for all of the cutscenes too while it was all in real time for the GC.

>>716345279
you could play music and movies on ps1 and gba. you could could listen to radio and watch tv on game gear.

>>716363063
>Driving around and using whatever weapons I find isn't gameplay because ehrm uh

>>716362749
Basically water shaders made water areas more impressive. I remember Morrowind on PC had a setting too for detailed water. Otherwise like previous games the water would just look like flat paper. Surprisingly the N64 launch game Wave Race has very good moving water for a fucking N64 game.

>>716362897
Gamecube, but it was more split up which required more optimization from devs to make full utilization, where the system pool was bigger on the PS2. That said, the PS2 needed it's own optimizations to make best use of the hardware, but with it's HUGE install base, 3rd party devs were willing to jump though those hoops, where they just often were not as willing for the GC. There is a reason why most of the best looking/running GC games are from Nintendo owned devs.

GC
>24 MB 1T-SRAM as system RAM
>3 MB 1T-SRAM as video RAM
>16 MB DRAM as I/O buffer RAM

PS2
>Memory 32 MB RAM
>4 MB Video RAM

>>716362783
I love Shenmue but you're retarded if you think the lighting in Shenmue is anywhere near the REAL TIME dynamic shadows of Luigi's Mansion.

>>716347809
better frame rate

>Nightfire, 2002 (PS2 3.33m, XB 0.82m, GC 0.78m) - total 4.93 million

And then Cubies will do this weird thing where they'll stake claim over games. "Oh Nightfire is a Gamecube game!" No the fuck it's not.

>>716363376
nope

i remember there was a time when you could buy brand new in box gamecubes for $50 retail. the system flopped pretty hard and the only reason why its looked upon fondly these days is from all the people that only played nintendo games on it or only melee.

>>716362947
I was there since GTA1, retard. When 3 came out everyone thought it looked fucking ugly and cartoony. It was the only way to make the game work. But also everyone agreed it was chunky and clunky as fuck. In many ways it was also worse than GTA2. But normalfags never played GTA1 or 2 since PS2 was their first console so it blew them away. Kinda like how Morrowind is much better than Oblivion, but Oblivion was baby's first Elder Scrolls because all they had was a 360.

>>716363451
yep

>>716363241
>Can't buy one of these and use it because we switched to digital broadcasts
Fucking hate it.

>>716363410
Nightfire was the game that proved Gearbox is a shit studio and should not be trusted with games. The PC port is one of the worst PC ports of any game to date.

>>716363410
>The console that sold 10 times the amount as the other two has more sales of the this multiplat
NONONO STOP THE COUNT!! STOP THE COUNT!!!

>>716359386
>phoneposting zoomer blatantly lying
yep its a cubie alright

>>716363776
These results are based on the stuff that you feed the search engine....

>>716363776
Holy Total Cubie Death

>>716334625 (OP)
PS2 almost always looks worse and had lower res and interlaced rendering. Some western games looked worse and only a couple performed worse like SSX Tricky. The lead developer complained on the former beyond3d forum about the GameCube hardware and got grilled for just being incompetent. He was probably an Indian. Indians are objectively terrible programmers. They hired these fuckers straight out of a country that had no electricity, no internet, and no toilets and shower them how to code but paid a fraction of what western devs got paid and now look where we are at today. Bloated Adobe Acrobat that needs modern hardware just to do what a fucking 486 could do in the 90s. Teams which eats up all your resources to be glorified chat client. These Indians are the death of the tech industry

>>716334939
SOTC is so fucking boring and soulless though. It was also a key plot point of a Hollywood movie made by jews and starring jews. There’s got to be a reason for that. jews really want us to play terrible games like Horizon for some example. They condition goyim to say these bad games are good. They’re doing this for a reason and the reason is not good

>>716334625 (OP)
The PS2 was poorly designed
>terrible video quality with low texture detail
>pathetically low vram
>no shader support despite gamecube and xbox establishing it as an industry standard
>outright broken anti aliasing support
>no mipmapping even though the n64 had that
Gamecube wasn't perfect but it was superior all around unless you cared that much about much post processing effects. Sony repeated their bullshit with the PS3 and actually paid the price.

>>716365956
>The PS2 was poorly designed

But it wasn't though. The PS2's last game came out in November 8, 2013. If it was a badly designed console, support would've dropped as soon as the 360/PS3/Wii were out, but that didn't happen.

>>716353405
>d-doesn't count!
lol

>>716366145
It had support because it sold 100M+ units, not because of the consoles design anon....

>>716365956
meanwhile on the shitcube:
>less 60fps games
>no dvd or cd support due to draconian little niglet disc drm
>bo backwards compatibility, enjoy buying shitty rehashes of re2 and tranimal crossing you already owned on n64
yeah im thinking the ps2 was properly designed for kinos and not party game shovelware like the gaycube

>>716366145
This. And if EA games were bad, they wouldn't sell so much.

>>716366241
Correct, ill enjoy my better version of re4 and 60fps burnout while you can have sonic furfag shit, cubie

>>716366259
>It had support because it sold 100M+ units,

And the GBA was put into an early grave for the DS.

>>716364151
>The PS2 was poorly designed
No, at worst it was a little underpowered and awkward to develope for. But it has a great library and multiplats that while not as good as the gc or xbox's theyre still of comparable quality. So its not fair to call it poorly designed
>>terrible video quality with low texture detail
No worse than gc or dc, and the xbox was the only system that was capable of 1080 that gen and even then the system rarely used it
>>pathetically low vram
Idk if thats true
>>no shader support despite gamecube and xbox establishing it as an industry standard
Those released after ps2 fucktard
>>outright broken anti aliasing support
Idk if it was broken but if it existed devs never seemed to use it
>>no mipmapping even though the n64 had that
Idk what this means
>Gamecube wasn't perfect but it was superior all around unless you cared that much about much post processing effects. Sony repeated their bullshit with the PS3 and actually paid the price.
Ps3 actually seemed like a more capable system for the era it released in to be honest. Gamecube would be a superior system, if it had the third party support the ps2 had -- but it didnt. So it isnt. So you less you really love nintendo games, youre just missing out on too much if you have to choose one over the other.

>>716353405
You crumble so quickly

>>716366391
Apples and oranges
The DS was backwards compatible with almost all of the GBA library anon. It was a safe bet for devs and Nintendo to make the shift.

>>716334625 (OP)
i pretend it's because half of the games actually run at 60fps and not 30 like everything on ps2/xbox

>>716366474
dmc is 60fps on ps2
shitcube couldn’t even muster 60 for shitwaker

>>716366145
Im glad the ps2 was supported as long as it was, it gave us some great releases later in its life that are often over looked. But a lot of that had to do with the ps3s install base being small in the early days, launching a year after 360, and perhaps most importantly the ps3 was harder to develope for.

>>716366529
no they do not you fat retarded cubie. ps2 has way more 60fps games

>>716366369
>my better version of re4
the gamecube version?

>>716334625 (OP)
The PS2 version of RE4 is objectively inferior. They had to add the Plagas laser to make up for how bad it looked in comparison.

>>716366875
And the whole Ada campaign?

And despite your crying about the inferior version, it EASILY outsold the Gaycube version.

>>716366875
>>716366829
i get it now, cubies
you’re asshurt the shitcube was a barebones piece of garbage that couldn’t play DVDs so you put way more emphasis on shitty re4 cutscenes instead of actual content

Wasn't the PS2 version of RE2 also used for mobile ports and other shit?

>>716367161
>snoy bragging about the ability to watch movies on his shitbox
Typical

>>716367364
>cubie bragging that a shitty qte game has more cutscenes than content in his hrtcube
grim

MARGE NINTENDO SHITCUBE

>>716335674
Pic related runs better on the GC. 60 fps over the PS2 version's 30.

>>716367446
If it was a shit game, you wouldnt have needed to insist that the ps2 version was some how better, lol

>>716367161
you're that dragonirian guy right?

>>716367565
it is shit. only cubies think its good because their only other games were mario party shovelware, smelee, and a kart racer lol
>>716367570
you’re that fat samefagging latinx cubie groomer that keeps getting btfo in these threads right?

>>716367707
yeah that's me, everyone in this thread replying to you is actually me
taco burrito and such

the only good thing about the shitcube was the gba player so you could play some actual good games and the snes controller peripheral so you didn’t have to use the shitty controller when playing gba games on your tv. everything else about the shitcube was poorly designed and flopped for a reason

>>716334625 (OP)
I'll never understand how the PS2 won 6th gen. Absolute meme console with meme games.

>>716334625 (OP)
ports aren't a good argument because the point is to get it out quickly and efficiently
>>716335674
there are literally hundreds of games that got ported to both what the fuck you want us to do breakdown every one?

>>716367986
>meme console
shitcube
>meme games
smelee, toon link, shitshine

>>716368035
eric

>>716353405
it's interesting cause this implies western devs had more problems with Gamecube than Japanese ones did

>>716350853
PS2 seemed capable of 1080 on GT somehow which no other console bothered with tyring to make possible

>>716348016
that's cause casual games with low dev cost made all the money, which was the opposite of what Japan thought industry was trending towards in Gen6, which was more focused in game that catered to people who played games with more complex mechanics who's biggest sell in the gen after would be upgrades, but turns out the down-grades were more profitable

>>716368035
>meme console
shitstation
>meme games
smegma of the smolossus, geico, god of snore

>>716334625 (OP)
I just live the ngc

HAHAHAHAHA Gamecube mogs PS2 so badly.
There's nothing on PS2 that comes halfway close to Metroid Prime. And PS2 didn't get a Sonic Adventure 2 port because it literally couldn't handle it which is why we got it on Gamecube, the only console that could really match Dreamcast. PS2 is literally worse than Dreamcast in some regards. Snoys are so pathetic.

>>716369137
doesn’t work cubie
gamecube shovelware is so intrinsically linked with cubies being obese brown snelly pedophiles, there’s thousands of memes about it

I don't think any game of the 6th gen consoles even came close to Chronicles of Riddick in graphics quality. This came out like a year after Morrowind btw.

>>716369478
This and Doom 3 couldn't have been done on the Gaycube

>>716369328
>console fps where you agp out as a woman
>pity port of a dreamcast furry flop
is there a single cubie that isn’t a latinx pedo, furry, tranny, or all of the above?

>>716337540
>Imagine if Nintendo didn't fuck it up by using mini discs
Fucking up by using a stupid format was just their thing back then.

>>716338195
It has the worst controller of all time, after maybe the dreamcast.

>>716334625 (OP)
It's not a lie, and it was probably true in some regards, but it was simpler to develop for and that accounts for a lot. You also must acknowledge that a lot of multiplats for the gamecube were ported from the PS2, so they inherited its limitations.

Of course, you're on one of those retard quests to flip everyone's perceptions and change the course of history, at least in that toddler brain of yours, and nuance is your enemy.

>>716369913
lmao was about to post this, this guy is a sad faggot crying about 25 year old consoles, at least tendies and segaCHADS played nice in the end with their console war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoPthV3FYZk

>>716336217
killer7 on PS2 and gamecube is like night and day. the PS2 version has far uglier graphics, far longer load times, and far less responsive controls. and they tried to preserve the gamecube version's better graphics in cutscenes by making them all prerendered videos on PS2, but the videos are crummy quality and also have really bad audio quality for some reason.
killer7 on PS2 is worse than on gamecube in every way.

>>716359141
damn shame they didn't rerelease the game through a proper port instead of emulation, so PS5 is stuck with PS2 graphics decades later. worse yet is that the official PS2 emulator doesn't emulate the network adapter so you can't play network multiplayer at all, just splitscreen. i wouldn't normally vouch for using a nu-xbox but the emulated xbox version with working LAN multiplayer mogs.
all that being said i am a lazy cunt and i hope the timesplitters games get added to the NSO gamecube app so i can get my gay friends who only use nintendo consoles to play them.

>>716372192
>>716371991
>>716371162
stop talking to 3 hour old posts, cubie

>>716372458
make me you poofter.

>>716334625 (OP)
each of the three consoles had niche advantages so games were generally best on the console they were first made for. theoretically xbox should've been able to muscle around any of those advantages, but it still got compromised ports of PS2 games and even sometimes gamecube games for whatever reason.

>>716334625 (OP)
Tony Hawk's Underground looks best in the Gamecube screenshot, not a good look for your argument. Just saying, I don't know the hardware specs of any of the three.

>>716368174
1080i output PS2 games just crudely upscale from a much lower resolution, this is immediately evident if you try it yourself. 480p or 480i modes in the same games generally looked better.
xbox was also capable of 1080i output with a similarly thin library of games using it. gamecube was the odd one out not having any commercial games run at more than 480p, perhaps because nintendo wasn't completely retarded and asked devs not to use gimmick display modes that gave no genuine advantage.

>>716372748
tiny hawk games on the shitcube are garbage.
its like the one retarded cubie above saying SSX tricky is better on the shitcube above when it had a quarter of its moves gutted because the gaycube controller is ass

>>716372748
what's your beef with the xbox version exactly? the different gamma? otherwise it's obviously better.

>tiny hawk
kek

If this released on the PS2 it would look or run like dog shit

>ctrl+f cubie
>33 matches
when you use x-ie nicknames you out yourself as a humongous faggot who fights for an imaginary tribe instead of actually analyzing which platform is better. grow up please.

>>716334625 (OP)
>How did this lie take shape in any form?
Coz it was true.
Just look at Metroid Prime and RE4 on the cube.

>>716373138
*Oh and
-all multi-plats looked/ran better on the cube.
-Gamecube games ran at a higher res by default (640x480 vs the ps2's 512x448)
-Plus more games had progressive scan support (literally doubling the resolution again).

>>716373120
>conform!
Animal mentality.
Stop being such insecure faggot

>>716373120
i mean ps2 objectively wins in games, features, and controls. Shitcube has 60fps sonic games and re4 cutscenes and that’s fucking it.
cubies are more interested in shitposting than having a real conversation though

Cubers lost again

>>716374758
i used to sodomise dozens of cubies daily in high school when they invited me over to play mario shart double dash.
now most of them trooned out and turned into pro smelee players or shitshine groomer streamers. such weak pathetic effeminate homosexuals have never won a fight in the real world or on the internet

>>716334939
I love SOTC but their acceptable fidelity was so fucking low. Of course you can pull off some impressive, static visual shit if your acceptable framerate is like fucking 10.

>>716375557
Yeah that never stupid the Cubies before, bro

>>716375557
Yeah that never stopped the Cubies before, bro

>Having to wait till the 360 port of Perfect Dark to see how brilliant the game is

PS2 games were 10 times more optimized

>>716375720
wow you aren't very smart

>>716375983
And you've never seen the low frames GE and PD can go to, cuber.

yeah im thinking ps2bulls won this one. better luck next time, cubies

>>716373310
>insecure
>still publically seething at others over a toy you dont like 25 years later
hooooooly cope lmao

>>716334625 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpbn90rfLR8
The PS2 version of Okami stacked against Switch is fascinating because this sort of cel shading in tandem with lots of post-processing simply allowed the PS2's bandwidth and fill rate strengths - one of its key advantages - to run wild, whereas the Switch simply does not have this sort of fillrate or 48GB/s GPU bandwidth. More than enough to redraw the whole screen 400 times at 60 FPS! There's no video game not made for PS2 that's capable of performing that, even if you consider its target resolution and there never will be. This is why the rain is always crippled on MGS2 HD/MC, why the smoke is not as dense in Shadow of the Colossus 2018, why the UE5 Polish Hill 2 fog is a joke on PS5... The PS2 has 99 problems, but fillrate ain't one. There will never be a console that can do regular transparency effects like the PS2. 48GB/s to fill a tiny ass 512x448 picture is just too much.

It's just a totally unique, absurd alpha effect pumping hog of a machine that FODaragi designed for us right before the car industry snatched him away from us.

>>716379765
Didnt they turn okami into wagglan mashy slop on the wii and use it as the base for the switch version?

>>716379818
Okami on Wii (really a repackaged GameCube) is a perfect example of the PS2 starting to mog supposedly next generation consoles immediately with that Wii port. It's a heavily butchered reworked version of the game with dialed back post processing and especially limited enemy numbers, even then they still had to cut the framerate in half from 30 to 15 in several important scenes where there's a lot going on.

The Switch version is actually based on the PS4/Xbox One versions, which were already a remastering of the PS3 Okami HD project which actually was a very interesting game because the developers of it actually recreated all the assets for that particular version and played around with the code to make what was basically a remake of the game that traced over the original codebase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L54LbYdzlU

>>716379765
tldr?

>>716367986
what are your favorite 6 gen games?

>>716380251
PS2 is the still the best console of all time.

>>716380251
ps2 was so advanced not even the wii(shitcube2.0) could run its games properly

>>716380354
is ps2 some sort of zoomer code for sega saturn?

>>716336203
>Serious Sam Next Encounter
development for that was compromised

>>716350582
>my gamecube(via wii

>>716351358
True, but less discs = less money spent on printing copies, and publishers didn't want to make costs too big for basically the most underwhelming console of 6th gen.

Which GameCube games would be ideal for me?
>I hate all Nintendo franchises
>Anti-Nintendo games
>Games without magic
>Games without magical creatures
>Realistic games
>Games that look the same as Xbox and PlayStation 2 games
>Games that play the same as PS2 and Xbox games
>Games and franchises that people always associate with Sony and Microsoft
>games that come on a single disc

>>716353647
>Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion in the same sentence
these two arent even graphically comparable, you can't be taken seriously

>>716382384
Geist?

>>716382860
reasons why Geist would be an ideal GameCube game for me?

>>716334625 (OP)
>crying about a console that came out over 20 years ago
You're a bigger faggot than the croc of shit autist. Also the Switch 1 outsold the pis5 in Japan last week fyi.

>>716356486
>foliage
Give me one example of a PS2 exclusive that has this problem.

>>716334625 (OP)
>How did this lie
It's not a lie you tech illiterate retard. Just look at the specs sheet.
GameCube has more memory than the PS2 and a Gpu that is like triple its size. The PS2 only had a slightly faster Cpu and it didn't even support any type of AA. But 3rd party games on GC did not sell, so devs did not bother optimizing but when it came to the PS2 devs went all the way and programmed on Assembly for for the games to be able to run on PS2 because the system has such big memory limitations and a garbage Gpu that was even inferior to what the Dreamcast had. And one thing you can be most sure of is that absolutely every developer hated the PS2 and its architecture and making games for it but they had to. 100 million PS2 vs 20 millions GC.

>>716359221
PS2 was not easier to develop for. The Emotion Engine had a learning curve for 6th gen devs which is actually the reason for a lot of afterthought PS2 ports tanking.

However a good chunk of AA/AAA PS2 devs who were doing exclusives, especially in the later years of the system, managed to pragmatize methods to the point of producing great results that outperformed even GameCube exclusives especially when it came to raw graphics speeds.

>>716362163
admins are complete fucking morons and powertripping megalomaniacs

>>716336203
>Invoking inferior Dreamcast ports
Hilarious. Gamecube almost never has the best multiplat version. Only in cases where the Gamecube was the lead development version, and those are few and far between.

>>716362353
nuh uh, my version of the game didnt have those labels

>>716362070
>Also Luigi's Mansion had dynamic Shadows
shadow map on a separate layer

>>716363640
apparently analog is still somehow alive out there

>>716363410
Nightfire was really an Xbox game.

In these gens the exclusive libraries were way more important than marginal differences in performance.

>>716364151
>SOTC is so fucking boring and soulless though
Nah, that's TotK.

>>716366457
>it was a little underpowered
Hahahahahahaahahhahah

>>716367986
embarassing tendie meltdown

>>716385308
Nah cubie meltdown

But I like to use the hard R and call them cubers

>>716359141
Can someone please produce an Xbox emulator that doesn't run like shit so I can finally play that fucking library of games

>>716385308
>>716385340
The only ones melting down are the malding (mad+balding) snoy sistas who keep making these threads.

>>716373116
If it was released on PS2 that blaster shot would actually have transparency.

>ps2 is bc with 99% of psx games including its accessories working with some ps2 games
>ps2 has cd dvd playback
>ps2 has online support for undreds of games
shitcube was a fucking scam, both in its hardware and software. cubies are retards

>>716373120
buttmad tendie

>>716381814
Around that same time nearly every PC game came on multiple discs, even after DVDs replaced CDs.

Of course, multi-disc games were a lot more acceptable on PC where you only needed to swap discs during the install process.

MARGE
PSY IS PLAYING WITH THE NINTENDO SHITCUBE
MARGE
I'M FREAKING OUT

>>716385243
I miss godrays.

Too bad the PS2 was the only console that was capable of producing them.

>>716385907
Perhaps there were other factors. Nintendo could have draconian fees for publishing on GC back then. Also the proprietary nature of GC discs also counts since those probably cost more than regular CDs/DVDs.

>>716334625 (OP)
Nigga the dreamcast is more powerful than the ps2

>>716386019
the best god rays were from oblivion mods imo

>>716338195
>I don't know why the Gamecube failed
It's not complicated: the PS2 came out first with crazy hype and sold like hotcakes. This forced almost all developers to support it. The GC came out a whole year later, and by that point the PS2 already had lots of games and many more on the way. So it was an uphill battle, even if the GC was technically superior.

>>716386124
Who the fuck told you that ridiculous fucking lie lol

>>716386195
You forget the Gaycube didn't even come out with a mainline Mario game which was basically the one guaranteed thing you got with each Nintendo system.

Instead you got Luigi's shitty ass 2 hour rental Mansion and Cubers have been seething about picking the wrong horse since.

>>716385243
the shitcube could never

Gamecube was definitely more powerful than PS2 but its GPU had one outdated quirk.

It was using the Texture Environment Unit, which was able to combine 8 textures and do next gen effects like bump maps or reflection.

However it was a completely fixed function pipeline so developers couldn't write their own custom lighting or scale it as game engines got more advanced. It's why even games on the Wii still looked a bit uglier than the original Xbox, even with the faster clockspeeds.

>>716386195
You could make the exact same argument for the Dreamcast you little pseudo intellectual.

The Dreamcast had even more games by the March 2000 release of the PS2 than the PS2 did by the time GameCube came out. Anyway the GameCube was not even remotely a direct competitor, the Xbox was the PS2's main rival in those 4 years.

>>716385243
>SSR
>godrays
>baked lighting
Goddamn was GT3 a generation ahead of its time. Crazy how it even mogged GT4 graphically.

>>716386212
Compared to the rival PlayStation 2, the Dreamcast is more effective at textures, anti-aliasing, and image quality, while the PS2 is more effective at polygon geometry, physics, particles, and lighting. The PS2 has a more powerful CPU geometry engine, higher translucent fillrate, and more main RAM (32 MB, compared to Dreamcast's 16 MB), while the DC has more VRAM (8 MB, compared to PS2's 4 MB), higher opaque fillrate, and more GPU hardware features, with CLX2 capabilities like tiled rendering, super-sample anti-aliasing, Dot3 normal mapping, order-independent transparency, and texture compression, which the PS2's GPU lacks.

You're welcome nigga

>>716351358
soul...

>>716386124
The Dreamcast was not more powerful. But it was much better designed, as in you could get the most out of it easily. I recall reading about developers lamenting having to abandon that super friendly machine and move to the PAIN Station 2.

>>716386469
Nice Grok prompt nigga

>>716386703
Nice retardation nigga
https://segaretro.org/Sega_Dreamcast/Hardware_comparison

>>716385243
>>716386019
>>716386403
Was that really a volumetric light effect, or just "put a transparent texture here to pretend it's a beam of light" baked in the map itself?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knzXv62tbi4

>>716334625 (OP)
>PS2 slop looks like shit
>Gamecube kino holds up to this day
Gee, I wonder how this "lie" formed.

>>716380251
He is talking about the amount of post processing effects the PS2 was able to do thanks to its bandwidth speed. Things like Silent Hill 2's fog or MGS2's rain were more pronounced on the PS2 than on later ports since those games took specific advantage of the PS2's key strength (that being fillrate).

That said, the PS2 was also plenty weak in other areas and in the case of the Shadow of the Colossus, the penalty for achieving its visuals was a horrid performance to the point where one might prefer the PS4 remake over it.

>>716385429
FUCK PLEASE I WANT TO PLAY BLINX 1&2!

>>716347135
That's a case of a shitty port not the cube being weak

>>716336217
That's a case of a shitty port not the ps2 being weak

>>716334625 (OP)
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Zoomies are gonna have a fucking field day with this.

>>716388238
I played Blinx 1 on Xemu without any major problems earlier this year. Some graphical glitches though.

>>716334625 (OP)
>How did this lie take shape in any form?
Tendies never play other consoles

>>716392301
They also pretend 2 hour slop like Luigi's Mansion are "banger classics", as opposed to actual good games like Ratchet & Clank, Jak, Sly Cooper, etc

>>716338195
it came too late, the mini disk, Nintendo being associated with kiddy games while every kid wanted to play San Andreas, Burnout, FIFA, Pro evolution Soccer, Tekken and Gran Turismo.
Oh and of course not being easy to jailbreak while you could get a chipped ps2 in the first year

>>716392703
don’t forget the controller was garbage, no backwards compatibility, no media support, no online, and the games were dogshit you have to be mentally ill to think shitshine and wind waker are worthy follow ups to n64. fuck the shitcube

>>716382384
the one that checks the most of those off would be one of those 2 games on the gamecube where you play as that woman with a deck of cards she uses to summon monster that help you fight in real time.

>>716381814
this is retarded, if the finished game is better it sells more copies so it doesnt matter. a game was like 50.00 back then and a disc probably was a quarter to print and probably less than that.

>>716385907
shit i think DOOM 3 uses 4 discs i cant remember and that was in 2005.

>>716382384
you need to buy a ps2 and jet x20 . any significant amount of time playing in the shitcube will turn you into an estrogen addicted sissy cubie

>>716392787
Media support wasn't even important because youre buying a VIDEO GAME console. The majority of Xbox kids didn't even use the Xbox DVD player because you had to get the remote. PS2 definitely was used more as a DVD player and especially in third world countries and Asia since it was a very affordable DVD player that could also play faggot games like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.

Almost nobody used the PS2 online. Backwards compatability was a miss but people forget you could buy a Game Boy attachment and now have access to an entirely different console. Especially when used games prices back then were not destroyed by YouTube collectors. The GameCube controller was also higher quality than the DualShock they had. It was cool that the DS had pressure sensitive face buttons but that shit was dropped right away with the PS3. Which is kinda a shame because I always felt like holding X for acceleration in a game was more comfy than holding a trigger.

>>716392787
That shit controller that is still being produced?

>>716379765
thats crazy because i stopped reading that half way through when i realized all my ps2 game i own still look like crap compared to the gamecube and the xbox. the only thing that looked good on the ps2 was blocky futuristic low polygon shit without any sort of vegetation or trees anywhere. basically the game has to have the aesthetic of the interior sections of mgs2 where you get flat sleek surfaces with good textures on them without anything that cant benefit from anti aliasing.

when i first played MGS2 on the xbox the only part of the game i can remember with slow down was the rain you mentioned. i just assumed it was some kind of gameplay effect to convey how windy it was outside it only effects like 5 minutes of the game. it never bothered me and i probably beat the game 5 times before realizing it was "slowdown". i think the better graphics were a decent tradeoff. all of the details everywhere in MGS2 look super crisp on the xbox and you can better appreciate the small details everywhere. i could never go back to the ps2 version.

>>716393309
>Media support wasn't
supported because the shitcube is barebones dogshit
>PS2 definitely was used more as a DVD player
yep on top of ps2 owners also buying more games per console than cubies, come up with a better cope faggot
>faggot games like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.
both of these games are higher T than cubies letting their AGP flare up with metroon prime and toon link
>Almost nobody used the PS2 online
everybody used the ps2 online, you were just a shut-in poorfag playing shovelware mario party minigames by himself lol
>Backwards compatability was a miss but people forget you could buy a Game Boy attachment and now have access to an entirely different console
yeah that’s the only good thing about the shitcube is buying the snes controller and gba peripheral since the shitcube itself has nothing worthwhile
>The GameCube controller was also higher quality than the DualShock
in no way is your faggy purple boomerang better. ass c stick, most dogshit d pad known to man, and only 1 z button so games like SSX have half their moves ripped out of the game lmfao
it’s simple cubie; people preferred the ps2 because the games were better, there were more games to play, the device itself had more features, backwards compatibility, and the controller wasn’t dogshit. no more copes, shitcube= flopped and shitted abomination for trannies
>>716393401
because mentally ill smelee spics but the ones with the mario logo on it and use it as a grooming tool at tournaments

>>716334625 (OP)
Xbox was the only good console of the 6th gen.

PS2 didn't deserve games on it. ICO, SotC, FFXII, Getaway & Killzone were good, but would have been better on Xbox. Other ports too. Sega definately did the wrong thing choosing PS2 over Xbox for Ecco & Rez.

Xbox was impressive. Some games like RE4 pulled off such a jaw dropping confoundment of how such could be so good, perfect in some sections. (Aware that was on PS2, that was the point, games overcame the bad system)

Exclusives and DVD player are why I got a PS2 after losing an Xbox, locked out of my apartment at 18 for failing to pay rent, losing a job accidentally backing onto something. Waiting for Army to let me in for SF I needed an age waiver for. PS2 was an utter POS. I saw ICO in a cinema and wanted to play it, and Ecco from magazines. Otherwise I'd never have gotten one. Needed to watch movies, was interested in FFX, what a disappointment that was.

I miss America trying to do the best it can. Show off and enjoy being best.

Calculated contribution, maintaining unsatisfaction, so the future is easier to compete in, is disgusting.

>>716394036
>everybody used the ps2 online, you were just a shut-in poorfag playing shovelware mario party minigames by himself lol

my guess is even the XBOX which had way better online than the ps2 only had like 30% of the playerbase signed up for XBL maybe even less than that. Most people on here say that just played the ps2 offline and didnt even know many games had an online mode at all.

NTA btw

anyway you sound super autistic getting so pressed over this stuff from so long ago if you like the ps2 that much why dont you go play it?

>>716334625 (OP)
gta didn't come to gcn because the discs were too small for the music, and r* were still asshurt over nintendo

Resident Evil 4 looked better on the Gamecube than the PS2 port.
If you want proof compare the flashlights in both games. PS2's is shit.

>>716344316
>tendies trying to revision history
smelly brown

Devs put in less effort on the GC ports because they didn't sell as much. Why is this so fucking hard to understand you absolute retards.

You put more time and effort into the version that's going to sell 4x the copies.

>>716395742
how did the gamecube have such good lighting for the time it released compared to the ps2? what specs made the difference? ps2 has its own strengths of course but i wonder what it is that was so lacking comapred to the gamecube that made the lighting in both games totally different

>>716334625 (OP)
>>the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2
>How did this lie take shape in any form?
Look at the specs, retard. It's true.

>>716344831
Nintendo tend to lock down their exclusives forever. look at Twin Snakes. I'm surprised they didn't do that agreement with Capcom that they COULDNT port RE4 over

>>716334625 (OP)
nintendo faggots

You're a zoomer who has never touched original hardware, emulators clear up the PS2 blur.

>>716386952
just transparent textures.
The PS2 had frankly excessive amounts of bandwidth which made it perfect for transparencies

>>716352406
You can easily tell that he's brown. In every Nintendo thread, the same repetitive usage of an insult, indicating very low IQ, as well as the misspellings typified by an ESL or someone in a frenzied rush to post.

>>716359084
Even if that were true, that's still fucking sad kek. See, this is what I meant about the brown/low IQ thing.

>>716395172
90~95% of ps2/xbox owners were online, you were a cubie shut-in poorfag who didn’t get the internet until 2012

>>716396849
i agree, its like every shitcube owner is brown/low IQ smelee lover or a tranny/low IQ shitshine speedrunner with no in between

>>716396881
>90~95% of ps2/xbox owners were online
No, they absolutely were not. I would be massive if even the 360 had 90% of users online.

>>716334625 (OP)
Don't equal a shitty port as representative of a system capabilities.

>>716396881
I had xbox live in either 2004 or 2005 for halo 2 did your mom beat you or something when you were a baby? why are you so retarded and weird? if you look at the chart it wouldnt even be statistically possible for 95% of xbox/ps2 owners to be online if basically half of them didnt have fucking internet in their home. and if you had shitty internet you couldnt play online anyway.

>>716361118
Even id said they tried porting Doom 3 to GCN, unlike PS2 which they didn't consider. The lack of open world games wasn't about power, but disc size, you stupid coon. Besides, Wind Waker, Spider-Man 2, NFS Most Wanted and GUN were all open world and on GCN.

>>716397090
yes they absolutely were cubie, we used to play ssx3 online after bullying the fat melee spic cubies at school
>>716397206
>[fanfiction]

>>716397287
i hope for your sake you are trolling because if you are actually this retarded you are basically doomed and your life is predestined for failure its literally over

>>716397287
I didn't ask for an anecdote.

>>716397401
>if im a poorfag, then everyone else is a poorfag too!
is this how cubies actually argue? no wonder you’re a fan of the gayest faggiest console ever made. you probably didnt even have the internet until the iphone came out, sad little cubie

>>716334625 (OP)
It's more powerful than the ps2 but it's discs had very little storage by comparison only leaving 3 options, lower the quality, release it on 2 discs or not porting it to gamecube at all, re4 looks much better because it came in two discs

>>716367986
It had games, every game wanted to be on it, the gamecube only had it's own games, and many of the ports it did get were licensed kids games while completely missing out on most of the biggest games that generation

>>716382860
Geist is a Nintendo IP.

>>716397536
i have all 3 consoles, we had internet in like 2002 and we got broadband in 2004. but we were an upperclass family. not everyone is. most of my friends were not playing their consoles online. the only person i knew who played their ps2 online was one of my teachers who played some final fantasy thing and was talking about it. until they said that i didnt even know ps2 was online compatible. this was around 04/05. the rest of my friends were mostly playing runescape on PC even if they had an xbox. i had a handful of friends who played halo 2 on XBL. less than half. why are you so emotionally invested? even if its trolling at this point its pure distilled hype autism concentrate.

>>716385429
Just get a Series S bro.

updated fact list about cubies you can read they self-admitted in just this thread alone:
>poorfags
>didnt know mario shitshine was 30fps(didnt play it)
>didnt have internet access until 2013
>didnt know what jak the game looked like until they googled it (they literally only played mario party shovelware and licensed cartoon games)
>prefer their games to have slightly better cutscenes over more weapons, more costumes, replayable modes, better controls, and widescreen support
>think no one used the ps2 or Xbox online to excuse the shitcube being a barebones piece of shit
>tries to excuse the shitcube once again being a barebones piece of shit by not being backwards compatible with 5th gen games and controllers by shilling a shitty paid add on to play gba games at ugly resolutions on your tv unless you mod it and get gb interface
>>716397828
wonderful fanfiction you wrote about yourself, cubie, you probably thought this up on your iPhone3 huh

>>716397981
playing ninja gaiden black on one of the newere xbox models was fucking sick. too bad it doesnt have full backwards compatibility i think there are still OG xbox games that never worked right on 360 such as phantom crash. can you put an OG xbox disc in a modern xbox? or does it only play the digital versions of OG xbox games?

>>716398629
>cubie was so BTFO she’s now role playing as an xchad
go back to the shitcube. we dont want you stinking up ninja gaiden threads, cubester

>>716398787
i already said i have all 3 consoles... still have my OG xbox but i cant even use it unless i repair the laser, or figure out why it wont read discs. (probably used it to listen to music too much) may need to swap out the disc drive. (ps2 is having trouble also) still has the custom green and black tribal skin on it i got from hollywood video. never got rid of it since i grew up with it and it was the console i was actually a fanboy of. (ninja gaiden black is the best ninja game of all time and BTFO shinobi on ps2 just saying)

i just like the gamecube but i never was a fanboy of it. the ps2 was always the least interesting to me. i have a silver slim i use to play /m/ shit like zeonic front and armored core its basically just a console i used to play robot crap.

>>716398629
I think OG discs will get recognised on Series X, but are just glorified keys to access the digital version.

>>716334625 (OP)
Gamecube taking a Playstation staple away for a year before giving PS2 the sloppy seconds should tell you everything.
https://youtu.be/k_MBy3MX2nI?t=44

>>716399624
so you need an online connection to play the game because you need to download it? sounds cumbersome but its better than nothing i guess. ive bbeen thinking of playing KOTOR on the xbox one curious if its way better on that than the OG xbox.

Republic commando looks really good from youtube on the xb1.

>>716386269
Do you mean launched? Because Sunshine came out later. Compared to PS2... I mean come on. Remember the shitty fireworks game for PS2?

>>716394108
>Xbox was the only good console of the 6th gen.
Do retards actually believe this?

Dreamcast and GameCube was basically the only two consoles you needed.

all this shitflinging and arguing about examples and counter-examples and no one pointing out that console architectures used to be wildly different (rather than the glorified stripped-down pcs they are now) so the typical approach for multiplat games was building them for one system then shoddily porting them after the fact

>>716396881
>90~95%
Simply not true because third worlders were 50-60% of the PS2 userbase.

You're fucking insane, man. Literally NOBODY played PS2 online. It was a tiny minority of people playing Outbreak and Socom. Otherwise we would have seen more games with online.

>>716400581
lol you definitely dont need the shitcube for anything

>>716400057
holy....in a vacuum the ps2 graphics are not terrible, they are obviously an upgrade from the ps1. but the gamecube looks great and almost twice as good at times here.

we never needed to move past this generation of graphics. frankly i think a lot of ps2/xbox/gamecube franchises ended up getting a worse art style when they crossed over to the 360/ps3 gen. maybe more realistically that gen should have been the cut off. but maybe we could have had another few years with the gc/ps2/xbox to see those consoles pushed to their full capabilities. i honestly think despite the better graphics of the 360 and ps3 that as i said before many franchises look shittier on that console almost as if the devs didnt know how to make use of the extra resources in a way that was aesthetically please. ps2/gamecube/ogxbox had cleaner looking designs that are easier to read and not as noisy as visuals on the next gen that try to wow you with a bunch of shit everywhere. this issue is even worse on the xb1/ps4 gen and forward.

>>716400728
Stay mad, unc.

>Play some Crazy Taxi/Shenmue on DC
>Load up animal crossing and Tony Hawk in GC
>Get on PC and end the night with low resolution hentai and Age of Empire 2/Star Wars Galactic Battlefrounds

I cant believe zoomers will never experience this.

>>716400224
Yeah, I believe even the base Xbox One is still good for its BC. At least the games aren't too big to download, you could probably just use your mobile hotspot.

>>716400728
metroid prime is worth at least playing for an hour or two to mess around in, if you didnt get to play that game when it was brand new you missed out on something impressive, just like how you needed to be there the year DOOM 3 released on pc/xbox. both were very visually impressive games at the time and immersive experiences. prime gets boring after a while and is a little too slow for its own good at times but at the time there was nothing like it. even to this day the metroid prime 1 and 2 artstyles look really good.

>>716400057
See >>716344605
A proper PS2 port would have looked better tendie.
Both the N64 and Gaycube were failures.

>>716400978
i have my xb1 hooked up that isnt a problem im just old school in the sense that its annoying how much new consoles rely on always being connected to the internet for what would have been out of the box functionality in the past. just seems lazy. as i said its still way better than nothing though. even the 360 required a lot of ptches for games to be backwards compatible.

>>716400642
Multiple anons have pointed it out already, but yeah I also miss when consoles had their own quirks and architectural designs.

>>716400956
>boot up the shitcube
>to play a skateboarding game that’s objectively worse than any other 6th gen version
>unc and zoomers in the same post
so i see cubies are using a chatbot now
>>716400991
>the shitty bulldyke console fps
is not worth playing

>>716400991
I think Doom 3 was one of the first games I played with bump mapping. Not sure if it did those paralax textures or if I'm thinking of FEAR.

>>716401120
Stay sneeding uncy zoom. GC was just so good and it also looked better than the PS2. Also four ports for multiplayer was nice. No need for an adapter.

>>716401093
No I agree. It's bullshit, and there's no point in physical anymore. At least the Switch was the last bastion, with (most) games being on cart and.not having to install - but now even they are doing that Key Card garbage for Switch 2.

>>716401231
>controls like shit with the shartcube’s dogshit dpad
>no online
>3 has levels than the xbox, american wasteland has less levels than the ps2
yep, literally no reason to own a shitcube.

>>716401121
kek I remember the first game I ever played with bump mapping, and that was Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance. The detail on Scorpion's clothes was so cool. I remember normal mapping being the big thing when Doom 3 and Riddick came out.

>>716362292
>the source on the right is a random anonymous forum post pretending to be a Criterion dev
Console warriors are so fucking gullible.

>>716345043
You are making this up.

First they wanted to secure a deal with Microsoft. Everything was in the bag... but then during the meeting the Microsoft execs treated the Capcom representatives like complete shit and utterly disrespected them. Peak US Yankee arrogance.

The Capcom guys were then so pissed off they ran to Nintendo, their offices basically across the road and were treated like kings so they got a deal with them just to piss Microsoft off.

The GC was more powerful than the PS2, but Nintendo rendered that moot when they kneecapped their console with miniDVDs. What the fuck is the point of having a more powerful console if your higher-fidelity assets won't fit on the damn disc? Idiots.

>>716401660
I remember an interview in a magazine long ago, where Id said they had actually thought about bringing Doom 3 to GC, but had to abandon it. I can't find the interview anywhere online, but damn I wish I could've seen that.

>>716401120
metroid prime isnt even really a FPS its more of an exploration game with fps elements in it.

>>716401121
actually halo 1 and or halo 2 had bump mapping, back in the day bungie was on the cutting edge of a lot of stuff and actually made good stuff but none of the dudes work there anymore who mattered same with metroid prime, retro studios lost most of their talent years ago but some of those guys helped design the enemies in halo 4 if i remember correctly. the people who designed space pirates and such for prime.

anyway doom 3 is fucking kino illl probably replay it this next week.

>>716401342
back in the past you plugged a console in and it worked out of the box, and you put a n64 cart into any system and it just wurked. lost technology.

the only thing i use my xb1 for is starwars battlefront occasionally and halo masterchief collection but thats sad because these are old ass games. i will probably end up playig more og xbox games on the console to better appreciate them being upscaled however. as i mentioned earlier in the thread my og xbox wont read discs anymore which blows. i wish i hadnt thrown out my old copy of moto GP because i bet if it got upscaled by the xbox it would look really good.

>>716402072
yeah its funny i remember when i was younger thinking that the mini cds were futuristic looking and made the console that much cooler. most gamecube games still looked pretty good so i never questioned it. i would even go as far as to say that the occasional gamecube game looked like it could be an early xbox game. im pretty sure i came to the retard conclusion that the mini cds must be a more advanced technology and that the data is just more "dense" so it still fits. kek.

>>716350204
>I just emulate multiplat games on GC because Dolphin runs a lot better than PCSX2.


They run the same except PCSX2 is better

>Widescreen support
>patches
>RetroAchievement integration
>PS2 games having higher textures unlike GC
>Big Picture Mode


Dolphin feels and looks ancient now compared to PCSX2 and Duckstation which is ironic now. It needs a major update to make it fun.

>>716350582
PS2 games ran at 480p

>>716335898
>in 25 more years ps2 fangeezers will still be seething as they get wheeled away in the retirement home shouting about this at retired old gamecube chads.
this is funny to think about, but in reality gamecube fans all trooned out and 40%'d and xbox fans all died from aids so we'll be the only ones left.

>>716364151
Only a stupid man-child Nintendork would write all this shit up.

>>716405074
>iPhone filename
>posting roasties sacrificed to the wall

>>716403442
*some

>>716334625 (OP)
>How did this lie take shape in any form?
Because it had more ram and faster processors (and it was powerpc architecture so a better set of assembly instructions).

>GC is weaker than PS2
>Wii is weaker than PS3
>Wii U is weaker than PS4
>Switch is weaker than PS5
>Switch 2 will be weaker that PS6

>>716403749
in 25 years you will not hear (read) anything from ps2 fanboys because they will have wrist arthritis from seething about the gamecube for
FIFTY
I
F
T
Years

>pstroons can't handle that GameChad was stronger than their shitbox
>sony has been coping so hard since hten that all they focus on is numbers
>Still get BTFO'd by Microsoft on that instance
>Haven't released a game for a full generation, arguably 3.
At least bloodborne was good, right? I mean, it was 30FPS on the ps4shitbox but it was fun
All I can say is thanks Sony for making a console this gen that's so barren of games that I don't need to buy it.

>>716405748
>sony buys bungie thinking they will get their own halo
>pays them a bonus to retain their staff
>bungie fires the staff and keeps the money
>sony gets marathon
its so over i cant even express it

>>716405647
no one in here is talking about those consoles we are only talking about the GC ps2 and xbox. ps3 btfo wii. That is the last console generation i even cared about because
>playing games made after 2010 SHIGGY


the ps1 and the n64 are arguably tied in performance and the ps1 you could argue is even better than the n64 . the gamecube has a fanbase here because its basically the only time nintendo went all out on their console and it actually was a next gen machine which was stronger than some of the competition which makes it interesting to talk about. snoys have tiny dicks though apparently (you should be a fan of all 3 consoles) because the gamecube beat them in performance one time across 5 gens and they still are buck broken about it 20 years later. its honestly amazing and perhaps miyamotos crowning achievement.

>>716337540
The mini discs weren't as bad as the cartridges. They could hold 1.5GBs of data and for most games this was enough (the biggest ganes this gen were 3-4 GBs in size no game used a dual layered DVD).
If devs wanted to they could port their games to the GC and either compress them or use another mini disk but most times the GC just wasn't a very vialable platform for 3rd party games.

>>716406149
>sony buys bungie
The most incredible thing to me is that they paid $3.6bn for Bungie. I know that it was because Destiny is one of the very few successful live service games and sony bought them to be consultants on their in-dev live service games, but $3.6bn? Holy fuck that's a lot.
>>716337540
Nah, At the Gamecube era, Nintendo was still pretty difficult to work with for 3rd parties, and it's one of the reasons the ps2 was popular, sony was much muche aiser to work with and 3rd party games didn't have to compete with Nintendo titles.
Even if Nintendo didn't use minidiscs, it wouldn't have mattered, the ps2 hit the right milestones. The built in dvd playback and being cheaper than dvd players at the time meant that it could sneak by parents into kids' houses as a dvd player that just so happened to also play games. Then they actually had some games worth playing and the marketing material was everywhere. PS2 game ads were extremely prominent and I think the only game that gen that got more ads was Halo 2.
Gamecube was at a position where Nintendo thought they could get by with little to no marketing and without being prominently displayed, people didn't even really know about the Gamecube unless they were into vidya, so it fell by the wayside in favour of the one they knew about.

>>716405647
GC is much stronger than ps2. Everything else is factually accurate.
The games libraries, that's another story.

PS2's only claim to graphical fame comes from Japanese auteurs finding unique ways to circumvent it's inferiority. It is never the PS2 that is praised for stuff like SOTC, but the creator for having had the patience to force it into existence on that shitbox.

>>716334625 (OP)
>I think the PS2 had better hardware despite literally having weaker hardware because... that's just my opinion ok? And no I don't understand what a megahertz is you dumb nerd

This is you. You are retarded.

>>716397586
The lower storage would explain worse textures but not worse resolution.

>>716334625 (OP)
put them side by side in motion and see what happens

>>716334625 (OP)
>NFND
>NFDPSU
>FFNFU

>>716337540
at least they can't be blamed for tearing the entire non-AAA industry down with movie slop walking simulators

So why is some homo having a melty about a console he's never played that came out before he was even born?

>>716369478
>This came out like a year after Morrowind btw
And? Morrowind was ugly as fuck even on release.

>>716335674
resident evil 4 on Gamcube was like day and night compared to PS2.

>>716400057
GCfags not buying RE games is the reason the series decided to go full action slop with RE5 and 6
You fags had some of the best RE games ever and even all of those combined didn't beat the sales of RE3 on PSX alone
Capcom realised what a terrible deal they made and had to salvage it by porting to PS2, cubefags only bought bing bing wahoo shit

>>716412019
>resident evil 4 on Gamcube was like day and night compared to PS2.
I think the Most Wanted port was even worse
GC looks like a generation behind, and this port didn't need to be rushed out