Toby will give us the Homestuck we were promised

>>716402694
>>716403146
NTA and idk if this anon is still around. No one really knows what the remake is about, they're talking about the Mac version, namely Infinity.

At some point the character you're playing as has access to the dev tools and is warping himself around the level. You, the player playing as that character, watches it happen with no clue who is doing it. It's only revealed by the end that all of the universe-hopping and attempts to patch-together a universe where the bad guy wins results in the Player; who is the single solitary needle that is holding all of the multiverse and time traveling calculus together, is the one that gets the power he was seeking in the form of saves/reloads and when you beat the game: The level editor that gets unlocked.

I didn't make the Marathon parallel to DR but the idea this is a closed, stable time loop with people trying to manipulate it to make their specific outcome the true end but failing every time because the prophecy wasn't made for them, it was made for (You), was proposed before. It's not a bad interpretation of it.

>>716411895
dropped my dess pic in my reply to a 2 hour old post in another thread that I missed at work.

Kino art

>>716411025 (OP)
He will be struck by the homestuck curse and chapter 7 specifically will suck complete shit. It will be universally hates

>>716412529
which finger is the thorn ring on

>>716411025 (OP)
>Homosuck AND Undertale thread.
Janny about to meltdown.

>>716412529

>>716412289
dess sex

Toby has given us the Summer of 92 but in 25.

>>716414446
Vigorously.

>>716413858
I doubt Homosuckers even exist anymore

OH DESIRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervvPBJ1f1g

>>716414897
There are at least a few dozen who actively keep up with all the awful homestuck 2 stuff. I've seen them with my eyes.

>>716414897

>>716414897
I think all of them got replaced by what Toby is making

>>716414897
People who remember the characters, yes. People who care about it, not likely

What is her fucking problem?
Why did Kris get knighted?

>>716417865
He is a good soldier

>>716417865
thematically some kind of point-of-advancement for kris, it's also notable using the black shard as a weapon is also tantamount to gaining a miniature version of the knight's sword with the same colored slash effects

with being an RPG, the dark world's heavy, heavy, heavy dragon blazers theming, the existing final fantasy references and the silly class changes in status windows already like "moss finder" or "bed inspector" it probably does very literally represent kris becoming a knight in their own way

>>716417865
Because he slashed his friends.

>>716418591
* Holy shit is this real???

>>716418591
>mfw I finally acquire my superior vessel body and get to make FRIEND pay for everything he's caused

>/v/
>/vg/
>/vrpg/
>/trash/
>/cm/ (there's a Tenna thread there, surprisingly)
>/u/
Any other boards to check for UT/DR threads? Trying to increase my image stash here

>>716420496
the 8 site's /v/ probably has a thread
it also has an entire board for the game, /mtt/

>>716411025 (OP)
The start of act 4 running around LOWAS with Doctor playing on a loop is permanently burned into my brain. I would give anything for an entire Homestuck videogame like a bigger version of the little walk around flash pages.

>>716420496
Wtf does Deltarune do on /u/? Suselle slop?

>>716421560
For me, it was The Harleboss Sequence

>>716421992
Tasque Manager and Miss Mizzle have a crazy amount of fan art considering it's impossible for them to interact even if you load a finished chapter 4 save.

>>716420286
have an upgrade, mr tohno

>>716422395
I have the unofficial collection installed and I really need to read through it again only up to cascade. Thinking about LOWAS is making me super nostalgic and I want to reexperience all those old flash pages that I don't remember very well.

>>716423512
>Now's your chance to be a big shot

>>716419134
So Kris has the ability to just take out the knife and instantly end every encounter?

>>716426934
Yes.

>>716414897
I see a lot of people who seem really nostalgic for Homestuck.

>>716415193
toby kind of looks like a scary goblin here

Undertale is such a short game that I don't understand how it got so popular

>>716423950
I’ve been reading on the .moe site since I was too much of a brainlet to get the collection to run on my shitty laptop. It’s been fun reading through it again

>>716427471
fandoms have latched onto less content for far longer

>>716427471
Because it's a short game. That's how it got popular. It had a popular idea that didn't overstay its welcome.

If UT was as long as all DR chapters are right now, it would be way less popular.

>>716427471
Short games are easier for normies to get each other interested in, and also make it easier for Toby to change things up on different playthroughs, which in turn leads to more normie chatter as they talk about the differences on each others' routes.

>>716427190
>>716426934
>>716419134
Only autistic retards who want to be "special" for supporting a "deep lore" theory that only they understand believe this.

Fanbases like this are full of these autists. Then once they are inevitably proven wrong they move on to the next retarded theory.

>>716430561
Fair, but it does seem kind of sus that the slash would be drawn specifically from Kris' POV and not the Knights

>>716431452
It's not. Knight uses the sword left-handed, so the arc is consistent with it winding up and then slashing.

>>716431452
It's not. The slash doesn't have a clear direction and doesn't even move. Neither does Kris. It's extremely autistic to insist that Kris is secretly an anime DBZ ninja who can cut people at light speed while appearing to stand completely still. Even moreso to suggest that his friends would just ignore that betrayal afterwards and act like it didn't happen.

>>716432065
>Even moreso to suggest that his friends would just ignore that betrayal afterwards and act like it didn't happen.
susie was too busy laughing to notice the attack, and ralsei says "how could you?" before getting SWOON'd
the main point against this is ralsei who seems to brush it off, but he's also doing shit with kris behind (Our) backs so who the hell knows what's going on with him anyways

>>716427190
Why didn't he use it against Spamton, who clearly freaked him out?

>>716432065
Ralsei is the only one who sees it and he already knows that (You) and Kris are two separate entities. We know this because he is constantly trying to talk to Kris alone without (You) around.

>>716433340
wasn't part of the plan

>>716414897
I don't exist...

>>716433462
>>716432306
If he actually saw it and was referring to Kris when he started saying "how could you", there's absolutely no way he would let it slide afterwards. Yes he knows about the soul, but he also knows the KNIGHT IS THE ENEMY.

>>716432065
>>716431797
>>716430561
anti-KrisSlashfags still cant tell us what kris's knife turns into in the dark world

>>716438537
Anti-kris slash fags cannot explain why the SOUND of the knight slash

Is simply one slash of X-slash slowed down

>>716414897
Homosuck ended when they scratched the session as far as I'm concerned, everything after that is non-canon.
And problem sleuth was always the better MSPA.

>>716438678
Yeah Cascade was the ending. They go to another universe and live happily ever after.

>>716438775
I'm of the opinion that Homestuck would have been much better off if it had been abandoned after cascade. It's so much better to wonder what could have been. And I say that as someone who barely suffered any of the post-cascade story. The things I have heard make me so glad I stopped where I did. I only stopped there because I ran out of pages and wanted to save them up to binge later.

>>716426934
Kris is holding back, also the of the non blackshard weapons we have access to, the strongest is the cactus needle which in the light world only has a atk of 2 everything else is just different colored pencils with a atk of 1, so imagine what a real ass knife could do in the dark world.

>toby fox posts a video. it fades from black to his silhouette backlit by IMAGE_DEPTH. after a long sigh he says “It’s pronounced Jaster.” the video ends. all of his social medias are deleted immediately afterward

>>716440128
Honestly the most soul Homestuck ever had was right around Cascade. It had stakes, an actual crescendo, and that perfect mix of nonsense and gravity that made it fun. Everything after felt like Hussie was just seething at his own creation. The retcons, the meta, the bizarre tonal shifts-it stopped being a story and started feeling like watching a dev have a breakdown in real time. You got out at the last breathable airlock, anon.

>>716440420
I refuse to acknowledge this in the same way I refuse to acknowledge JIF.

>>716440315
>Kris could instantly have destroyed the Titan if he wanted to
What an asshole

>>716413858
theyre too busy protecting collective shout

>>716440315
what is this asshole's plan anyway
he better have a good reason

>>716440315
what is this background? im drawing a blank

>>716411025 (OP)

>All this talk about why Kris is holding back
Why would you go all out when you're just playing a funny game of light versus dark?

>>716437298
Literally in the next chapter Ralsei gets on his fucking knees to SUCK Kris's fucking COCK and begs him, "PLEASE DADDY PLEASE I'LL BE A GOOD BOY I'M A GOOD LITTLE DARKNER".

>>716445835
I think this is a convoluted way of saying Toby bends the rules for our control to best fit individual scenes. Kris chooses not to open that door in the church at the end of Ch4 without any issue--that's what he wants to do, and it emphasizes his agency. He also totally complies with the "script" in Noelle's room on weird route--clearly not what he wants based on his face in the abort where he runs away with Noelle and the "please don't" dialogue choice specified to be his words, but he still puts the ring on Noelle. Our agency is emphasized. All I can think of for an in-universe explanation for the moment-to-moment changes in our power struggle with Kris is that something about the weird route innately empowers us to control. Also,

>Think of the hand-washing scene. Imagine if that scene wasn't interrupted with Kris tugging you out and going to slash the tires. You could put the scene like this:
>Kris starts washing his hands
>gap
>Kris stops washing his hands

not sure what you're getting at here

>>716447342
It's not really convoluted, it's just a bunch of gabbing before saying, "Kris has free will within the rails of a larger narrative (the game you lost script).
Also this thought example is to show you that in that gap, Kris could technically do anything. If you think of it as a script where he washes his hands, and finishes washing his hands, he can do anything he wants in-between.
But if you also applied this logic to the couch scene then it basically comes up to this:
>Kris is talking with Noelle
>YOU appear
>Gap. [Kris can do anything within his free will in this time.]
>YOU rape Noelle

Then logically the scene would only possibly end when he rapes Noelle. So there wouldn't be any point to resisting or fighting back, even if he doesn't want to do it.

Really though, you can categorize this as pure cope to explain why Kris allows you to do things he doesn't want to do.
Personally I don't see how someone who so easily usurps your control, defies your orders, and alters them to his benefit can be considered totally under control. I also don't think you can obtain MORE control just by BEING SUPER DUPER EVIL. Because you, as a player, aren't doing anything that would justify such an evil-based powerup. Between the rape and Snowgrave, nothing happens.

>>716440430
Should I get into it in 2025

>>716449287
No. It would only be purposefully mining a disgusting slag pit in your own heart. At least if you were into it at its peak that pit would be filled up with the better memories. But now, there isn't any of that. You won't get a blowjob from a girl with gray facepaint that ends up all over your crotch. You won't get a catgirl gf because you're sweaty. Nothing. There is no value to be found whatsoever.

>>716448571
I see. I'm taking the "pure cope" stance here; I doubt Toby has ever thought of his scenes in the way you've described, and any inconsistencies in your framework (how long can a "gap" be, exactly?) seem to be best explained as the result of Toby bending rules to make scenes that he thinks are cool.

Are there people that think Kris is totally under control? He isn't. And he isn't totally in control. And, sometimes, the world seems to screw him over, and whatever amount of weight he represents in a balancing act between himself, us, and the Delta-Gods isn't enough to keep the people he cares about safe

god damn it

i always thought homestuck was a shitty mspaint comic for spergs of the shitty kind

>>716443408
What's Kris actual relation to Carol?

>>716449508
Totally disagree. I got into it without participating in the community back when it was current. I do think that you need to have grown up with a certain era of the internet to really appreciate it however. Problem Sleuth is probably worth reading regardless of whether or not you can get into Homestuck.

>>716450179
If you're out there making a hierarchy list of spergs while posting on 4chan you're probably below faggy fandom kids.

>>716450656
>You can still enjoy something even if you didn't grow up in its golden era
Yes, yes. Very true. Who's listening to this in 2025?
You retard. The point is that the entire thing has no fucking value and it's dogshit. It's a bunch of really fun stuff that ends in such a horrible fucking steaming, burning dogshit fire that all you'll feel at the ending is pure, simmering hatred for the fact that you wasted your fucking time reading it.
Use your fucking head dipshit.

>>716450336
biological son

>>716450336
I'm leaning towards Carol taking advantage of a promise Kris made to Dess

>>716450656
I'm convinced, that other guy seems crazy.

>>716414897
They still infest /co/mbler bemoaning that their favored ship wasn't done

>>716451161
I will NEVER post on /co/

>>716451065
>Convinced
By what. All he said was, "Actually you can enjoy a story 10 years after it comes out."
This isn't an argument for reading Homestuck. He actually goes out of his way to avoid recommending Homestuck and recommends Problem Sleuth instead.

Homestuck is nothing but disappointing. Don't read it.

>>716450336
Aunt.

>>716450179
That's what Undertale is in game form

>>716447342
>>716448571
My interpretation is that all prompts come from Kris's thoughts, either consciously or subconsciously. Maybe the SOUL can force a train of thought sometimes, but not reliably. Kris can't (easily) outright refuse commands through these prompts, but he can subvert them. For example, he actually does look into the room detailing Asriel's search history, but he closes his eyes. He actually does turn the knob of the door in the church, but does not open it. Taking out the SOUL requires a very strong strength of will, so he almost always does it when the SOUL's guard is down.
I think this interpretation also explains why we can act out Kris's zany behavior, because those actions are the first things that occur to him. Other actions like >rape are against his conscious will but are possible because a dark part of him wants to act him out; the game outright tells us that Kris guiltily enjoyed the Snowgrave route. We're sort of a reverse demon in C.S. Lewis terms; we don't introduce thoughts to Kris, but our will takes precedence and act out what he's already thinking.

Chapter 5 is gonna be so kino bros... and it's only a year away... is this what hope feels like?

final boss of the weird route will be you (vessel) and Noelle vs Kris (LV20 100% power with real knife)

>>716451673
>Strength of will
Another point behind my autistic babbling about YOU not being in control of Kris is because of what we're shown. It's not enough that Kris can seemingly remove you whenever he wants and you can't stop him because you're a little bitch. Toby went a step further to show you that this isn't actually that serious or difficult and Kris can do this whenever he really wants.

Kris removes you to drink a glass of chocolate milk.

He digs into his own chest, grabs you by the soul, and rips you out. So he can have a glass of chocolate milk.

For me, it's Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff

>>716450846
>If you're out there making a hierarchy list of spergs while posting on 4chan you're probably below faggy fandom kids.
pfftthahaha nigga required more bullying

>>716452941
If you answered, you got raped.

>>716451951
Noelle and Kris will be used up.

>>716451951
I want Kris (you) v.s. Susie

>>716452048
>It's not enough that Kris can seemingly remove you whenever he wants and you can't stop him because you're a little bitch. Toby went a step further to show you that this isn't actually that serious or difficult and Kris can do this whenever he really wants.
Normalroute cucks will see this and do nothing about it.

>>716417865
Did he swoon Susie?

>>716453770
Yes, and he'll do it again around 3/4ths through chapter 6 when shit gets real

>>716451065
Just stop at cascade and pretend it ended there I promise it's better that way.

>>716450846
Meds Please

>>716454827
>Meds
>For that post
Really getting tired of how for some reason very recently everyone immediately goes to "SCHIZO SCHIZO SCHIZO" when it's just a normal fucking post.

Homestuck fucking sucks and it's not worth reading. Forget "nowadays". It's not worth it because it's not worth it. There's no pay off.

>>716411025 (OP)
Finished the regular route of Deltarune as of now. What do? Aside from doebreaking.

>>716455201
Play other video games until chapter 5 releases in 12/25/26

>>716455201
Make sure you have all the eggs and shadow crystals, and then WAIT like the rest of us.
Also play Brandish.

>>716455201
we ponder the ball

>>716455332
Only if you promise to get back to work, Tobert.

>>716455332
how different is the original compared to the psp remake cause I dug that one

>>716455201
personally when I was in your shoes I rewatched The Incredibles

WAIT SO YOUR TELLING ME IF I GET ALL THE EGGS AND DO SNOWGRAVE, I'll EAT THE EGGS AND SHIT OUT A NEW BIRDLY?

Deltarune's story is a fun ride for sure but I'm still kinda disappointed we didn't get Jockington or Temmie in the dark world. It could still happen but it feels like the story has moved in another direction and the main cast is pretty much fixed.

>>716457282
If by "moved in another direction" you mean the direction it was obviously moving in to begin with.

>>716455402
Why does that thumbnail look like stimpy?

>>716457108
You can't get the Chapter 2 egg doing Snowgrave

>>716457408
Anon no one thinks you're smart, you're just vaguely annoying.
First chapter started in a classroom full of different characters. One is established right away as important, then in chapter 2 another two classmates have major roles. Then chapter 3 ditches that entirely for something else. Which is fine, but the idea that that was "always" the direction things were going in is obviously bullshit. Stop jerking yourself off.

>>716455201
Your eggs? Your Shadow Crystals?

>>716457689
>You can't get the Chapter 2 egg doing Snowgrave
I feel like I haven't seen any theory explaining why you can't get the Chapter 2 Egg in Weird Route, but you can get the Chapter 3 and 4 Eggs anyway

>>716459478
robert forgot

>>716459478
If I had to guess, it's because the normal dumpster room and the Snowgrave dumpster room are separate rooms and the transition to the egg room simply wasn't added to the Snowgrave room.

>>716459478
The true ending of Deltarune will be locked behind the all eggs + weird route combination, which will only be possible through save editing.

If you assume the Lightner/Darkner duality from Deltarune is analogous to the Player/NPC duality from Undertale, you will see that Ralsei essentially has a very similar worldview as Flowey: fictional characters are just toys meant to played with until they're broken or until you get bored, and there is nothing more to them. They're beings meant to serve our desires.
Ralsei just expresses that in a way that isn't overtly spooky like how Flowey does, and unlike him Ralsei seems to be aware he is also just a fictional character.

>>716459478
>Spamton knows a lot of background information and all you see him doing during chapter 2 is acting on it (he almost spoils who the knight is, drops tons of future information which sounds schizo in the moment, etc.)
>The alleys which all seem like good candidates for an egg room are all going to the left
There's a dumpster in all of those alleys, meaning that Spamton has made all of them his territory just for this moment.

You can't get the egg in chapter 2 because Spamton intentionally sabotaged you. Next question.

>>716458007
>then in chapter 2 another two classmates have major roles
Yes anon, the other two classmates who were also established as significant. People already guessed Noelle was going to be a party member back in Chapter 1 because of how much of a focus there was on her. There wasn't ever a focus on the other class members. The only other classmate I ever made an exception for was Catti, because she had her own portrait sprite and wasn't a joke character. And she's still probably going to be significant later down the line, but she's basically the only one to have that potential.

>>716457282
>>716458007
Chapter 1 was just a demo, but the broad plot summary for the entire game was finalized before chapter 2 was released, and hasn't changed.

kris-chan is one of the funniest fucking jokes this game could possibly have