I don't want the price of anything to go up. But I also think people are being ridiculous when it comes to their outrage about game prices.

This isn't even taking inflation into account since $50 in 1990 was equal to about $123 in today's money.

The cost of literally everything is going up, and games today are expected to be bigger in scope and fidelity than games of 20-30+ years ago. Of course the prices would go up.

Now the post the profit of those games

It all balances against the fact that building games has become many times easier.

Stop pretending that competition isn't a factor. I can buy good games on Steam for $20 or less. Lots of them. So many that I'll never have the time to actually play them all. When pricing a game, that should be your main concern. Because as a consumer, I do not give a fuck about what YOU think is fair.

Games back then innovated when moving onto 3D so they deserved every dollar, while Bananza uses marching cubes which every indie game has been using for the past two decades so what exactly did it innovate on?

>>716457470 (OP)
Mario world is 50 times the game that banana is.

Yet somehow the goycattle never questions whether the inflation was necessary to begin with

Being outraged about inflation is righteous. It is state sponsored coin clipping.

>Taking something as complicated as economics and boiling it down to "durr fiat currency value goes down, so everything should become more expensive"
THINK for a moment on all the factors that contribute to the price of something.

>>716457470 (OP)
you have to pay to get ground beef
you dont have to pay to play a video game, the payment is optional. everyone would pirate if games were $120

I don't give a shit. I won't buy something if I feel like it's too expensive.

>>716457548
hey

you can't say that

>>716457824
>When pricing a game, [competition] should be your main concern.
That just leads to a "race to the bottom" kind of situation, where everyone loses.

Ideally, everyone is free to price their game however they like. Obviously they take into account how much it cost to produce the game, and how much profit they could or want to get out of it. And then gamers either accept that deal or not.

But expecting everything to be practically free is just bottomfeeder mentality.

>>716458391
>he doesn't kill a cow and grind it up on his own
Why are you paying for beef retard? It's literally free.

>>716457470 (OP)
did salaries go up too?

>>716457991
This

>>716457470 (OP)
>people used to have more money for video games because basic necessities like food and shelter were way cheaper
Grim.

>>716457958
Doesn't inflation only exist because banks have all the money for no reason? No banks = normal people can just buy houses and start businesses and no parasitic middleman is charging interest siphoning money from the economy and causing prices to go up?

>>716457470 (OP)
4 pounds of good ground beef from costco is like $20

idiot liar

>>716459072
yes that but thats barely scratching the surface. Did you know that all your money is basically being rented by the federal governments from the federal reserve?

>>716459072
Yes and no, inflation is just a measurement of the value of fiat currencies vs goods produced/sold. The problem is that the rate new currency is made to pay for stuff like government programs or corporate bailouts outweighs the rate goods are produced and sold in general, so that shit goes out of control.
Doesn't help that the currency itself isn't technically owned by the government itself. "Federal Reserve" and "Central Bank" are both private entities.

Median home 1970: $23,000
Median home today: $420,000

1oz gold 1970: $40
1oz gold today: $3410

Big Mac 1970: $0.45
Big Mac today: $6.72

Minimum wage in 1970 was $1.60.

You'd have to make $29.2/h today to match the MINIMUM WAGE of 1970 in home purchasing power.

You'd have to make $136.4/h today to match the MINIMUM WAGE of 1970 in gold purchasing power.

($24/h to match Big Mac purchasing power.)

>>716458546
mine definitely did. I was making $0 that year.

a copy of super mario world was significantly more expensive to produce and distribute than a copy of bananza- physical games are obsolete, so nintendo basically only has to pay for electricity and bandwidth
>but muh research and development
easily subsidized by stabilizing prices, given that the unit cost is now essentially nil

>>716457889
lol no. you're a dumb faggot. mario world wasn't even better than DKC

Jeff Bezos makes $8 million dollars an hour

That's the equivalent of paying 400,000 workers $20/h

Jeff Bezos does nothing, if he died nothing at Amazon would cease to function

He is just an example of the ownership class and capitalism.

The problem is most people are lumpenproletariat, they don't understand that the money was stolen from workers. When rich people make money without working it means an equal amount of money is taken from the workers who generated that value, it is zero-sum outside of printing new money.

>>716457548
/v/ has been constantly telling me that many studios are in financial difficulty and that modern games have been flopping left and right.

>>716459346
/v/ is the worst place to ever try to express ideas like this, even redditors are more capable of not bootlicking than /v/, 80% of this board isn't white and 95% of this board wasn't here even in 2013

>>716459370
Correct, but that has to do more with missallocation of budget towards stupid shit that HARMS the product, and making products for audiences that don't exist. That's probably too much for OP's moore's law failing brainlet to understand.

Did you know that the US government considers 2% inflation to be GOOD

I'm not kidding, this is actually real

They think prices going down is bad, they call it "deflation"

So even though wages have barely increased but the McChicken is up 300% ($1 -> $4) and everyone who has to work for money is struggling, the US government and economists think prices going down would be bad

This is all real, capitalism is THAT fucking retarded

>>716459072
If only you knew how bad things really are

>>716459346
The problem is the liquidation of the assets that generate those profits would instead lead to a massive devaluation of that property and thus an overall decrease in the value generated to share among the workers. The investment class has already ensured such a loophole that in the case they lose, we all lose.
It's shit, the idea of investment in of itself is fine
>I'll part with a portion of my money into this product/service that may be a risk. In return, if it does turn a profit, I expect some kickbacks from being the one to create the environment in which you were able to successfully make your business
But it got so twisted down the line that investors not only get to kickback from your business, but basically control how your business is ran in the first place, then entrenching themselves in such a way that removing them would fuck everything up.

>>716459532
they think it would be bad because their ONLY measure of success is GDP, and if GDP go down then everything bad. if prices keep increasing, then GDP always goes up automatically.

>>716459532
>capitalism
You should clarify that this term which was coined by Marx refers to the worship of capital and has been conflated generally with any sort of free enterprise system
Our problem is that finance goblins have ruined everything and we barely produce
Number will not go up forever and we're stuck sacrificing everything to make it keep going up

>>716459661
GDP is such a retarded measure of wealth because it can heavily get skewed by multiple facets. I dunno why even seasoned economists subscribe to it.

>>716459629
Yep, the con is that there's no way to fix it.

>>716459208
Everything, absolutely everything, is going to pop at some point isn’t it? Fuck

>>716459629
>It's shit, the idea of investment in of itself is fine

Investors are an inherent problem of capitalism

Money doesn't build anything

Throw a pile of money on the ground, nothing happens. They dollar bills don't get up and start building a house or a bridge.

So someone spending money, and then claiming to "own" something, and therefor able to extract money from people who work, while they themselves do NOTHING productive, is an inherent problem with capitalism.

>>716457548
Not sure how that's relevant. The profit gets invested back into the company which is what pays for salary increases and benefits for employees (necessary), increasing headcount (necessary), R&D, investment into other studios which is why HAL even exists today (they went bankrupt) or how Pokemon ever happened at all, and ventures into other areas like movies, theme parks, dedicated stores, etc. Plus, anything that doesn't get invested into those other areas gets put into savings which is exactly how Nintendo was able to survive the Wii U and 3DS era despite making no profits for a few years in a row and they have continued to build up this savings once the company became profitable again.

I think you have an argument if you're talking about other companies which pay their executives insane rates, but Nintendo is clearly cut from a different cloth.

System working as intended

>>716457572
How many threads have we had about how shitty UE and other engines are?

Where the fuck do you live where a pound of beef is 10 bucks?

>>716457470 (OP)
Lean ground beef is under $5/lb

Is everyone here underage?

>>716457885
Play the game and find out

>>716457470 (OP)
People will whine and shit their pants about this one but it is way easier to run a video game company in Japan than an American beef processing plant.

>>716459813
I will disagree with this point since money is just a unified agreement to represent "value" of something since "value" in of itself is a subjective measure. Being able to give money to those that you think have a future is good, that's how scientific research gets funding for example. The problem occurs with "professional investors" which do not invest anything BUT money. Most investments in the past either were of their own business or because they wanted to see the end result of the product for themselves. Investors these days do not see a product or service, they see just the returns.

Meanwhile, the other end of the spectrum is just as bad. Lamarshawn Jackson has never worked a day in his life, yet he gets free education, food, and now a free attorney.

>>716458546
Nintendo raises employee salaries twice annually, so yes. If you haven't gotten a raise than speak to your boss because that's not normal. I also get raises: my income has increased by around 66% in the past 5 years within the same job.

>>716459815
>Nintendo is clearly cut from a different cloth.
Yeah they file patents for rudimentary gameplay elements they didn't invent after they already sued someone for violating those hypothetical patents, and they only get away with it because they're protected by the japanese government. Real inspirational stuff by a company that made a Space Invaders clone to get started in the video game industry.

>>716459964
The root of the problem is people who generate "value", are having that "value" stolen by

- shareholders
- creditors
- rent-seeking property owners

who do nothing productive and generate no "value".

The root of the problem is the system is setup to transfer money from people who generate value, to people who just claim to "own" things and generate no value and do nothing productive.

>>716459101
Ok, that's an argument in my favor, so how am I a liar?
>>716459346
How much does the CEO of Nintendo make per hour?

>>716459346
> Jeff Bezos does nothing, if he died nothing at Amazon would cease to function

Lmao who built the company and continues to grow it? Genuinely, commies are some of the lowest iq retards in the world. You have zero life experience, yet think the founder of Amazon could be easily replaced by anyone. They should give you the job. Not that you’ve ever had a real one and know how the world works at all. Reminder that the Covid lockdowns you very likely supported are what caused the massive wealth transfer to billionaires like Bezos.

>>716459815
>not sure how making money is relevant
stopped reading there

>>716460196
Yeah that I agree with, I'm just trying point out that the concept of investment isn't bad if you have a real stake in the investment itself, either being a future customer of the product, an owner that works themself alongside the proles, or by being a direct beneficiary of that product/service outside of the immediate returns. Investors who have real stakes in the "value" of what is being sold can be good, Investors who only invest to see the returns are always bad, hence the shitshow of Dodge V Ford.

>>716460158
Cry harder, faggot

You can resell your games, not the meat

>>716460309
Do you seriously think anything at Amazon would stop working if Jeff Bezos died? Do you seriously think he should make $8 million dollars an hour?

>but it's unrealized stock gains

They should've been given to the workers who generated that value, period. Unrealized stock gains are real wealth, only brainlets think otherwise, you can take out loans against them and pay $0 tax even.

>>716460382
The Nintendo dickriding must stop. They are a shameless greedy corporation no different from all the others.

>>716460429
Nothing wrong with secondhand meat

>>716460448
And here you are riding Marx' dick

>>716457470 (OP)
You're missing the very basics here, that is supply and demand. Supply of video games is incredibly high. There are more video games on Steam alone than I can reasonably browse through (let alone buy and play), and that's before you add emulating older games, MMOs and gacha shit. And at the same time, triple A games are less interesting than ever. So there's massive supply and dwindling demand. All the price hikes have done is ensure that I no longer buy new releases at all. The few I'm interested in I'll just pick up on sale later.

>>716459629
>Debt is bad
We know

>>716460260
it says 10

>>716457470 (OP)
inflation is a myth companies came up with to justify raising prices.
ask yourself, where does the extra money go? they're not paying more in taxes, they're not paying higher wages to the employees. The money just seems to (((disappear))).

>>716460442
The company wouldn’t exist without his work, and he owns it. Why shouldn’t he reap the benefits? It’s not up to me or you to determine how much money he makes. Why is it your business? His business makes 100’s of billions a year. I’m more concerned with billionaires influencing policy with their money than the fact that they make a fuckton of money. Why can’t you commies keep your hands in your own pockets?

>>716459370
They should be in more financial difficulty.

>>716460442
Taxing unrealized gains would be retarded. Any gains could easily be wiped. You are a parasite.

>>716460798
It goes into buying up all the real estate/housing and other looting of the country.
>print billions of new dollars
>use it to buy things of actual value
>pay employees in now worthless inflated currency

>>716460798
Inflation is real and caused by fractional banking, which should be illegal and punishable by public execution.

>>716461103
Imagine being able to loan out fake money you don't actually have and then demand they pay it back with interest that infinitely accrues.

You're literally do nothing and creating money out of thin air from the retard paying interest on the loan

>>716457470 (OP)
Inflation is not a static stat. Different goods and services from different sectors scale differently over time. This is why the cost of a 3 bedroom home in Oregon was 67k in 1990 and that same home is 430k today while the interest rates have tripled. Or a 2 bedroom rental was $300 a month in 1990 but is $2,000 today.

Cost of living offsets entertainment. They do not rise together. If entertainment grew with essentials, there would be no entertainment industry right now. Cost of living has been ratcheted unnaturally high.

>>716460442
>People should take loans to pay taxes on money they don't have yet.

How come beef is up 50% just since the orange man got in? Don't tell me that nigga's actually bad?

>>716459964
the problem is that investment is now seen by the public as a way for rich people to turn money into more money
there's no actual service or product, it's just a rube-goldberg of bylaws and loopholes that transforms your investment into more money, unless the rube goldberg is actually designed by your broker to take your money away from you when the marble hits the rubber band.

>>716461349
I didn't say unrealized gains should be taxed

I said the shares should be forcibly redistributed at gunpoint to the workers who generated that value, and they can choose to sell them if they want.

The stock market shouldn't even exist

It is inherently based on excess value generated by workers not going to the workers who generated it, but instead lazy parasites who did NOTHING productive in relation to that (shareholders)

>>716461467
you're aware every corporate entity bigger than a mum and pop diner offers stock options, right?

>>716461454
Yeah true, people see investment less as Mum and Pop shops investing in their own business, or mid size businesses getting the required funding to actually continue making their product/service and more into the gay and lame club that allows rich people to dictate how a business should be ran (See: Blackrock).

>Bro it's totally good for the economy and the standard of life if 90% of 'money' is in the form of infinitely expanding 'investments' that don't actually produce anything
>Actually we should up that number to 99%!
>Who needs factories, farms, production anyways, let China deal with those things!

>>716461391
Tariffs are literally just taxes that target trade partners to leverage with them. They have -never- worked as a wholesale strategy against multiple partners at once. The world does not cow to a single lever, no country is strong enough to make them do that. Every time this has been tried, its always been the people who have been made to offset the extra costs. Its a tax. Trump doesn't care who pays it, he had a quota to reach to fund his end of life mutual backscratching scheme.

And its not going to end there. An unstable trade enforcer in the first world isn't going to drag everyone down with it. They're just going to abandon you.

>>716461454
anyone with money has to invest just to maintain the value of their money at this point, if its sitting in your bank account its rotting away
the system now requires you to constantly work or abuse finance just to break even
meanwhile the government taxes a single good like 17 times by the time it reaches (You) and sends the money to Israel

>>716458586
In 1990, I was 9 years old, and my mom was teaching. She's retired now, and lives better off her retirement than she could off actual salary, not counting raising my brother and I.

>>716461659
If they paid you better and charged you less, you could rise up the ladder and buy land - develop it. Make new factories and farms. Make them useless. They couldn't have that. The 70s made sure it would never get close to that ever again.

>>716461689
the majority of the US's federal annual budget fund came from tariffs from 1789 until about 1913.

>>716461734
pensions are crazy and they'll collapse by the time you get to her age

>>716461534
That'd not true but even if it was so what?

Stocks still shouldn't exist as a concept, it's people who do nothing productive stealing money from workers who do something productive

Worker generates value -> stolen by shareholders

When commies say "private property" shouldn't exist, they mean property you live on or use is fine (personal property), but claiming to "own" things and stealing money from productive people isn't

Like Bill Gates owns 270,000 acres of farm land and he's not even a farmer, and he extracts subscription fees from actual farmers

That's pretty fucking degenerate to allow as a concept

>>716461734
Yes, and guess who gets stuck with the bill for her retirement and will get either a significantly worse retirement, or none at all

>>716460836
at a certain point, if you have enough wealth, you become responsible to the public as a leader. if, for all your gains, you can't guarantee the people whose labor makes your endeavors possible a living wage, then you are acting against the interest of the society from which you profit. you can call that socialism if you want, but then i could level your same argument against you from the point of the bureaucrats. they're in charge, their policy shapes your life, who are you to complain if you have to hop in a bread line to make ends meet? what is the functional difference between an oligarchy and 10% of free individuals holding 70% of the total wealth?

you have a right to demand certain things, within reason, from your leaders. they profit from culture and soil that is as much yours as theirs.

>>716461761
Yes. Tariffs are a tax. I said that. Citizenry footed the bill in that span as well. We moved to a direct tax because tariffs had just been used in another little trade war that crippled the economy. Which is the endgame when you try to use tariffs as levers too aggressively.

>>716457470 (OP)
>$50 in 1990 was equal to about $123 in today's money.
>The cost of literally everything is going up
???????

>>716461760
The absolute gall of motherfuckers who remark
>Bro you didn't buy your third rental property in the 70's? What the fuck were you thinking? Don't you want to be rich?
>You didn't invest a thousand dollars into bitcoin in 2007? It was so cheap back then!
Fucking army of captain-hindsights and 'got mine fuck you's

So do we blame this cunt?

>>716461467
>The stock market shouldn't even exist
I made more in the stock market the last few days solely holding index funds than I did at my actual job. Makes sense, right?

>>716461846
Unironically yes

>>716461846
To find who to blame you'd have to go back over 2000 years

>>716461852
If the stock market didn't exist and all value generated by workers had to go to workers, Americans would be getting paid like $150/h for warehouse jobs

Like how Jeff Bezos makes $8 million an hour, that would be a $20/h pay bump for 400,000 workers based off one man alone

>>716461928
Jesus Christ?

>>716459263
Gold was only $40 back then because it was illegal to own in burgerstan after 1933. It wasn't legal to own as bullion until 1971, $40 was just the "on the books" price. The point still stands, but silver would be a better metric.

>>716461928
Blaming the successful game players instead of the game we're all playing is a little short sighted.

>>716459263
Big Mac is $5.59 here.

>>716457470 (OP)
>I don't want the price of anything to go up
Stop marrying your shitcoin bags u shill, shoulda have aped into beef futures like any non retard

>>716461696
it's weird to say, but the commoditization of money itself has been the downfall of the dollar.
america didn't just give away dollars for products, it sold the idea of its dollar to other countries, and now doing so is going to be what truly breaks it.

the currency is spread too thin, and stagnated in too many small pools.

>>716461797
it is true. Just because you were too stupid to ask HR any questions doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>716461846
There aren't any simple answers and all presidents are largely puppets, if you want to spend your time being a surface level retard go ahead. The people responsible rely on us getting mad at presidents who are literal scapegoats for this shit.

>>716460429
Funny since Nintendo wants to make second-hand games illegal

>>716461835
it's only a tax if you buy imported goods. which we did not. the point of tariffs is to incentivise domestic production, which it did on a massive scale.

>>716462009
now show what it actually looks like, with its .1lb (at best) patties

>>716461959
say what ever happened to that Fort Knox audit

>>716461852
Its because your money on the stock market produces more value than whatever you do on your shitty job

>>716461852
>it worked for me so it's fine
this is why the world is fucked up, hope you get in a car accident soon

>>716461938
You could argue that he didn't go far enough, but no, even before that

>>716457470 (OP)
Multiple factors influence the unchanging price in games
>larger audience ensures they make a larger profit anyways
>easier entry point to develop games
>more competition
>the cost wasn't lowered to account for the ease of distribution and manufacturing in the shift to digital, which shaves off a huge amount of cost but the consumer never benefitted from it
When you buy a game nowadays you are not paying for a cartridge that was expensive to manufacture. You are paying for a digital copy of software that costs the developer a fraction of a fraction of a penny to create after development's done.
And that's not even getting into further monetization.

>>716462189
>irrelevant statement
Nobody's saying Big Macs are good food, retarded retard from Retardvillle, Retard Prefecture, Retard Province, Retardia.

>>716461930
if the stock market didn't exist that extra value wouldn't exist. it's all speculation based on outsiders effectively gambling that the company will be worth more in the future and they can cash out. if you can't cash in or out of that system, there's no wealth. All it would do is reduce the amount of money the business has to invest in itself. It would lead to lower wages.

>>716462137
That is an insane generalization and ignores the reality of modern trade. And, AGAIN, everyone engages in tariffs. They're like trading cards - everyone in a balanced economy has them and tweaks them synergistically through market trends and on small scales targeting special interests.

Every fucking time we have tried to do mass scale trade war with them, the global economy has harshly reacted either by massive recessions or outright collapse.

We did not stop the bog standard global tariff dance after the early 1900s. We stabilized our internal revenue as demands made it necessary. The world changes. Wanting to go back to a 1700s agrarian model is straight up retardation.

>>716461985
>blaming someone who created a mess is wrong, we should blame the janitors

>>716462281
That speculation is mostly based on how much value they steal from workers (profit AKA net income) and set aside or directly give to shareholders via dividends and stock buybacks.

If 100% of all value generated by workers had to go to workers, I assure you workers would be astronomically better off and to assert otherwise is incredibly silly.

>>716462252
Impossible to win situation. If you don't invest, the government steals your money via inflation. If you do, you are engaging in and abetting our fake ass economy. People who want to tear everything down are lunatic commies who will murder you for being a kulak.

>>716462252
Oh my bad I dropped these autismbro
/s /s /s /s

>>716462281
If the stock market didn't exist there would be no need to import the entire third world, which causes an oversupply of labor, which results in the value of labor plummeting.
Companies should profit through the products and services they provide.

>>716462313
>Ignore the fact that we are playing Mess Making: The Game where the entire goal is to unsustainably generate messes and consolidate more mess than any other player by consuming them and their messes until only you are left
You are looking at the largest blob on a game of agar.io and raging that he got so big instead of the fact that we're all forced to play this retarded game.

>Richest woman in the world is just Jeff Bezos' divorced wife

>>716459263
God, I wish I was born 30 years earlier, then I'd have a chance to buy a home. You could buy a home as a fucking cashier. lol

>>716462310
why do you think modern trade is the way it is?
>forgetting we were talking about the 19th century
my stance is to go back to the Victorian.

>>716462508
Nah, it's the Walmart lady.

>>716462498
Yes we are all at fault, except ((("""god""")))'s chosen of course!

>>716462508
oddly enough the money is much better off in her hands than in Bezos'

>>716457572
This is what gamers think, and it is true for indie games, but it is not true for AAA development.

>>716462593
The shit you have to do to go to church or a synagogue during a lockdown.

>>716462498
This situation didn't happen by accident, it was and still is being actively lobbied for
Anyone who tried to fix it would be killed

>>716462543
>why do you think modern trade is the way it is?
Because we developed more complex things than wooden wagon axles. Things that decentralized trade power. The fact that one nation managed to be a trade nexus in all of that was an incredible confluence of luck and a direct outcome of WW2.

The US was placed on a pedestal as the trade watch dog of the entire world post WW2 and we are throwing it away so a few billionaires can do a couple final cut and runs before we collapse and shit like the Northern Trade Corridor is established for them to leech off of anew.

But hey your grandkids are all going to love being wheat farmers and cheap shirt makers for China's consumer market in 40 years. Have fun my man.

>>716462393
you're conflating stock value with corporate profit. stock value is pure speculation, and is multiplied many times over what a company's profit is. it's completely decoupled from the company's actual operations; it's glorified gambling.

>>716462518
>Buy a home
Nigga just build one with your own labor instead of being a faggot capitalist whose only worth is his money

>>716457470 (OP)
Ground beef is around $5.75/lb. source: I bought some this week. A 3 pound "log" cost me a little over $17. Shit sucks. Fuck that orange retard.

>>716457470 (OP)
>cut off all funding to your propaganda
>suddenly, all your propaganda posts are made by cheap, low-IQ pajeets

>>716462615
Pretty much. Bezo's wife isn't burning money on shitty brown LOTR tv shows. lol

>>716462491
there'd be no need to import the third world because the entire world would be the third world.

>>716462685
Why do "synagogue" tunnels have soiled mattresses and chairs for babies?

>>716462736
>Shit sucks
Why tho? You're profiting more as a beef producer because now the dollar is cheaper

>>716462762
I hate that our retarded leaders would rather torpedo the country into the ground, just to on up their rivals.

>>716462818
Cool it with the antisimetic remarks anon

>>716457470 (OP)
>ground beef is 10 burgers per pound
Where the fuck do you live? India?

>>716462808
It would only be a problem if you flipped a switch and ended it today. If it never started to begin with we'd be in a much better position today, and in the future. The stock market is just another product of selling out the future for profits today, and letting future geneations deal with the mess.

>>716462818
Beats me, I don't live in a shit hole city like NYC.

>>716457470 (OP)
>cartridge with game in it
>vs
>unlock code that downloads game to cosole
ya, und bugs for ze dinner

>>716463015
dk banaza is on the cart tho???

50 dollars was cheap for a SNES game. They were usually 60-70. Could even be 80 if it was more than 24 megabit.

>>716460442
If Amazon turns into Intel, it would be up to the board to hire the right CEO to clean up the mess. As the largest shareholder of Amazon of course Bezos would have the loudest voice at the boardroom. In fact if he smells the people at Amazon slacking he probably already tells Andy Jassy to prepare for some whipping sessions. Which reduces the chances of Amazon turning into Intel. Him being dead means there's less people with his power in the board room which vastly increases the chances of Amazon turning into Intel one day. Just because Amazon is doing well today doesn't mean it cannot be struggling 10 years from now.

>>716462727
You're correct in that the stock market is more directly traders taking money from other traders in a zero sum game

You're incorrect in that

1) Dividends and stock buybacks are directly stealing money from workers and giving it to shareholders
2) The entire concept of the stock market itself, is based on profit (AKA net income), which is money stolen from workers

>>716462917
the industrial revolution would've never began. in fact, practically all societal and technological advancement since the year 1400 would've never began, because it was all the consequence of the growth of the merchant middle class due to people being able to save up enough money they could invest in and engage in local enterprise beyond subsistence farming.

>>716462508
>Janet Jackson made more money in divorce than in her entire career

>>716460442
it isn't real wealth. if he ever tried to actually cash it out he (and you) would learn real damn quick that that money only exists on paper. When you take out a loan using stock as collateral, you're basically trading the stock directly to pay off the debt.

>>716463182
>the industrial revolution would've never began
Stop, I can only get so erect

>>716463182
People suddenly had wealth because half the population of Europe died.

>>716463171
dividends and buybacks are only a tiny fraction of a stock's worth. you might get 0.5% per annua if you're lucky.
the money doesn't exist. that's the redpill on the stock market. it's meaningless digits on a computer with no relation to what the company is doing. companies don't even control their stocks, they can only kindasorta influence its performance on the market via their performance as an actual industry. (good business quarter? expect the stock to go up [but not always]).

>>716462518
Get a job. I'm a software engineer (at a normal sized company, not FAANG or whatever tf it's called now) and my wife is a nurse, we own our home without a loan. Living in the suburbs of a major city.

>>716463364
yes, which they then invested in local businesses and in their own enterprises, basically creating the urban middle class in the process. People who no longer had to work a Lord's farm, but instead could run their own farm or their own business in town without having to deal with the Lord's price controls. You didn't contradict me.

>>716463315
>yes I would like for 60% of my children to die of tuberculosis before the age of 5

>>716463562
>yes I would like for 60% of my children to die of tuberculosis before the age of 5
Yes

I don't buy new games anyway. You can usually get them for good prices if you're willing to just wait a while.

Food prices going up can fuck right off though. We need wages to correct the inflation. There's no excuse for it.

Life was better and cheaper in 1990, that said, the games you kids have now are pretty cool compared to what we had. It's a decent enough trade off for individuals with sedentary lifestyles.

>>716463697
>You can usually get them for good prices if you're willing to just wait a while.
I do that for some games but if it's something I'm really really excited for I buy new. But if I want to play it and I don't care to play it at launch than I wait until it's like $30 used. Back in May I picked up a bunch of Switch games from the last year or two like Echoes of Wisdom, Paper Mario TYD, Pikmin 1+2, Nintendo World Championships, Famicom Detective Club (the laughing guy one, I forgot the exact title), DKC Returns, etc for $20-35 each ($40 for Echoes of Wisdom) because I didn't want to pay full price for them and I had other stuff to play at the time of release.

But I got Mario Kart World on release day in the bundle, and I got Donkey Kong Bananza on release day. I'm definitely getting Metroid Prime 4 and Kirby Air Riders on release day, but I'll probably wait for the new Hyrule Warriors.

>>716463562
>60% of my children
Many people can't even afford one these days
Anyway you can't say the industrial revolution would have never happened without the stock market, it would have just happened later.

>>716457470 (OP)
Oh, so this is why Musk turned on Trump. Trump's going to take away Musk's cheap pajeet workforce. It really is just about their cheap brown slaves with the Democrats.

>>716457470 (OP)
It's a question of demand and supply. There are so many games out there these days that consumers can easily avoid higher prices by just playing old or indie games.

>>716459263
The price of fast food with massively varies in location by virtue of supply/demand. New Zealand has an outrageous cost of living and they're still getting Big Macs cheaper than in the US.

>>716457470 (OP)
>The cost of literally everything is going up
The point is it doesn't need to. Money is a man-made thing, and people can just collectively decide to not raise the prices if they chose to. There is no law of physics that say prices have to go up.

>>716466409
>New Zealand has an outrageous cost of living and they're still getting Big Macs cheaper than in the US
Really? Mcdonalds is expensive as fuck in Australia, you can go to just about any local pub and get far better food for the same price.

>>716457470 (OP)
>1lb ground beef for $10
Nigga, a pound of ground beef is $5, or on sale for as low as $3. Move out of California.

Anyway, someone's already said it, I'm sure, but:
SNES era cartridge games:
>entire-ass circuit board full of actual components and RAM and shit (expensive, and took up a fuckload of shelf space at the stores)
>whole game is often made from scratch, ranging from music to graphics and sounds
>all assets from graphics to audio have to be carefully made within the technological limitations of whatever chips they have access to
>buying the game often comes with other shit like whole-ass manual with custom art and such, or folded maps, or some stickers or something
>entire game is right there, no DLC, you buy it, it's yours
>games had extra secret shit to find, cheat codes to unlock, replayability (outside of shit tie-in games, and even that's not a given)
Also:
>buying power was a lot bigger back then
>rarely needed to buy games outright anyway since rentals were super common and fairly cheap
>great resale value
>cheap shit games cost less, huge fancy games cost more
All this shit makes sense for why the games back then cost more.

Most games now:
>the game box is fuckin' empty other than the game, which might not even contain the game's data
>everything's piss easy and you can bumrush a game on the first try
>most games are shockingly short, outside of specific games designed to be super long (and those are usually just padded with shit)
>no cheat codes to use/unlock
>games with secrets are rare, and the secrets are often lazy as fuck
>made using some overused engine with a lot of stock assets lightly tweaked for the game
>even after spending all that money, you're still getting advertised to for DLCs, some feeling like they should've been in the base game
>fuckloads of stock assets, samey and cheap
Also:
>cheap games are practically extinct, everything costs $60-80
>resale values, even for in-demand games, are shit
>rentals are dead

>>716466563
You're either underage or under educated, you can't have this cold a take

>>716467020
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000703112

>>716457470 (OP)
that's not my problem
I'm not paying $70 for a game
if they want to sell $70-$90 games that's fine but they can't force me to buy them

>>716467230
He's not wrong

There's a common saying

"It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism"

You are currently suffering from this problem. Anyone can imagine a meteor hitting Earth, not many people can imagine the entire capitalist system radically changing.

>talking about money
wonder how many israeli ip's there are here

>>716459263
that picture is stupid because prosperity only translates into population growth. we developed synthetic fertilizer to solve world hunger only to skyrocket the population from 1 billion to 8 billion in 100 years.

>>716467020
>>cheap games are practically extinct, everything costs $60-80
The new Mafia game and Wuchang are $50, Killing Floor 3 is $40, there's a ton of indie games launching at anywhere from $3 to $40. Those games may not be appealing to you but cheap games exist alongside the expensive ones

>>716467020
I agree with most points, but
>most games are shockingly short
Even excluding padded open world games, modern ones are far longer than most SNES/NES era games, most of which can be beaten in a single afternoon if you don't get stuck on a hard part.

>>716457991
spbp

>>716457470 (OP)
>>716459815
The credits scene of any AAA game is all the argument you need against price increases.
Instead of bumping the cost up, fire about half that fucking bloat of consultants, kickbacks, and nepobabies you're tacking on to every project.

>>716457548
Investor here. Profit goes up with inflation, but the value of that profit does not. If I make a trillion dollars in Zimbabwe money that is not a lot of value. This is a common layperson misunderstanding. In hyperinflation you see hyper profit, but because the money is worth less the value that money holds is less.

game can cost $150 or whatever
i will still only buy games for $20 or less on sale

>>716467880
This, and euthanize developer pets.

>>716467020
/thread

>>716467880
aren't most people in credits these days just outsourced contractors? these companies probably hire 100 indians for the same money it would take to hire one dev in the west, especially when you factor in shit like benefits

>>716457470 (OP)
ground beef was a lot of fun, i played the shit outta that as a kid.

i want poor people, minorities, and all third worlders to stop playing video games and being involved in my hobbies. if that means i pay more for games, so be it

fix this and people will pay more for video games

>>716467834
SNES era games were also designed to be replayed over and over. Modern stuff is so bloated you'll never want to touch it again

>>716468743
Some games sure but there's plenty of modern games I have replayed, or intend to in the future. Sounds like you just have trouble finding anything good, which is understandable if you rely on /v/ for such things.

>>716468718
fucking antisemite

>>716468718
>computers start to become a wallstreet thing in the 70s
>smart money people can start making more money faster
>gubberment is too slow to catch on and regulate
>the rich get richer and leave normal people behind

>>716457470 (OP)
consider that the amount of people playing games is like 5000 times greater than 30 years ago. nintendo will be just fine.

>>716457470 (OP)
>>716459101
If I look up that amount of ground beef on the website of a local supermarket, it's like €3.49 including 21% VAT ($4.10). Meanwhile that game costs €69.99 including 21% VAT here ($82.22). Maybe the problem is that you're overpaying for ground beef in your area or you used some really high quality/expensive ground beef for your skewed example.

>>716457470 (OP)
Who do you think you're gonna guilt trip with this, faggot? Like I'm supposed to have sympathy and understanding for the evil megacorporation that has nothing but contempt for me? If you can't figure out how to sell your ugly disgusting slop at lower prices, then die and get replaced by a company that can.

>>716457470 (OP)
I don't care. I want all of these things to return to a price that makes sense for being forced to live in a shit tier wage society.

>>716457470 (OP)
The problem with this simplistic argument is that WAGES have not gone up anywhere near as significantly as the price of literally everything besides video games has. The dollar is worth less than it used to be and people have far less buying power because of the whole situation. For the argument posed to be valid, minimum wage would have to be around $26/hr instead of $7.25/hr as a standard across the country.

>>716471186
>>716457470 (OP)
And before you start with, "But I was TALKING about Video Games!", the point I'm making is that video games come after essentials. Video Games are optional, other stuff like food, rent, and utilities are not. Increasing the price of the optional entertainment items when people can't even afford a fucking apartment on a single job's wages is only going to result in fewer games being purchased and therefore the game industry hurting even more than they currently claim to be.
The main problem is that publishers and their CEOs are greedy fucks and just want more money. They don't even pay the developers much more than they used to, just like how we're not making much more than we used to. The greedy fucks at the top are the problem, not the price of the games at the sales counter.

>>716457470 (OP)
>The cost of literally everything is going up, and games today are expected to be bigger in scope and fidelity than games of 20-30+ years ago. Of course the prices would go up.
They can go up all they want I'm just not gonna pay it.

I'm not going to do it it (spend $70 on a game!) I know, i know... UGH im sorry!!!!!! It's just that i'm not going to spend $70 on a game is all.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>716457470 (OP)
I don't want games to be bigger, I want them to be smaller, use less resources, and cost less.

>>716457470 (OP)
the game industry is full of man babies and betas

>>716459263
>decent living standards
Live in the pod eat the insects, your phone is your only entertainment device. There are too many people, too many unproductive, corrupt people who want nothing but handouts galore.

>>716457470 (OP)
If you can produce one video game, you can sell infinite copies.
If you can produce one pound of ground beef, you can sell one pound of ground beef.
They're not the same kind of product, and shouldn't be treated to the same kind of price scaling.

>>716461467
Retarded commies like this are shills to discredit the notion that workers should have more money
Their claims are so retarded that they benefit the ultra rich

>>716472014
>Live in the pod eat the insects, submit for mandatory daily torture

Fixed.

>>716457470 (OP)
Its reasonable but the sudden change is grating to buyers and when they see games be super good at $50 price tags they feel cheated as if all the extra money goes to profit and not maximizing the game to its full potential

>>716459346
The thing is you aren't privy to what bezos does for a company on a daily basis so saying that it makes essentially no difference is just ignorance.


>>716461467
Who supplied the tools that the workers used to generate value?
I bet your couldn't make a dollar store hammer if your life depended on it.
Have you ever smelt metal?
Have you ever MADE anything?

What you don't get is that without all this stupid organization there wouldn't be any excess value
to redistribute at all

>>716461689
One thing that I learned from (((estimates))) is that they take the worst outcome from their simulations as showcase it as the guaranteed outcome
This is likely the best outcome possible for can and mex based off of simulations and they aren't going to show their worst.
Election do the same thing. 1000 simulations showing who could win what states and the race and people straight up use it as gospel instead of chance

>>716462215
The fort actually holds the Epstein files

>>716474949
Yeah dude. The Jews are totally pro Canada and not Trump who is currently giving 3 trillion to the world elites. Sometimes the conspiracy takes no digging, retardo.

>>716457470 (OP)
>inflation
Not an argument.

I'd pay 160$ if we got games as good as RE4 and Mario Galaxy.

If the games are shit anyway who cares?

We are in 1983 again but people aren't letting crash like it's supposed to.

Stop buying it you fucking retards.

>>716457470 (OP)
Suck my fucking dick tendie.

>>716457470 (OP)
>10$
>for ground beef
Fucking where OP? 1lb Half/half chuck/shortrib at my local butcher in fucking SEATTLE is cheaper than that. Generic ground beef is 4-6 bucks a lb.

>>716458464
Then they'll fail, simple as.
Do you really think charging 90€ for a game that in 99% of occasions is worse than a 15€ will led you to success?
It's a fact that in any product category, the more you increase the price of something, the more people you priced out of it, ergo the less sales you'll get.

>>716460102
My wages were basically flat since covid. I went from doing well to being poor again. Completely demoralizing.

>>716459318
What an absolute shit opinion

>>716457470 (OP)
My wage didn't grow with inflation so I don't care.
There is also more option so don't care about AAAA games.

>>716457470 (OP)
consumer electronics have gone down in price actually. inflation doesn't affect everything equally, you nigger retard shill

>>716457470 (OP)
The rise of digital distribution and logistics being literally solved in the current day taken into account, 2025 should be even fucking cheaper than 1990
Should we take int oaccount new stuff like AI developing and jeet hordes doing half your work at a fraction of the cost?
Who's being dishonest here?

>>716457470 (OP)
food is necessary, games are luxuries. You are free to increase the price of your luxury, but there are many other luxuries people will buy instead.

>>716462684
Sounds like a them issue then

>>716457470 (OP)
~50 for SMW was stupidily expensive.

>>716457470 (OP)
Based capitalism keeping the prices of games down
commies btfo

>>716457470 (OP)
Now compare a physical version of 1990 SMW to last Mario instance.

inflation is fake

>>716479172
Check e621, it's real

>>716479579
Do you have a job for me?

>>716457470 (OP)
Must eat to live.
Games are a frivolous luxury, should they become too expensive you cut them out.

>>716457548
retard

>>716479736
Ground beef is a luxury. Veggies and bugs are a more sensible option for a limited budget.

>>716479792
No, its food. Games are luxury.
Food is necessity.
Can't compare them.

>>716479867
You don't *need* ground beef, you want it.

>>716479904
You should buy cricket powder protein to afford more games for better physical health.

People who complain about game prices have to be like 15. Because if you're 30+ then you remember buying 70 dollar games when money was worth way more than it is now, and then getting 5 hours of gameplay out of it. Now you can get a 40 hour game for 70 bucks and people shit themselves. What form of entertainment is cheaper than this man? If you compare it to movies, a movie will cost you 20 dollars and provides 2 hours of entertainment, so 40 hours of movies would be about 400 dollars.

>But salaries haven't gone up!
>But housing and food has gone up so much people have less money for games
Did Nintendo stop your salary from going up?
Did Nintendo make housing and food prices go up?
Maybe you should talk to those companies about that, or more realistically to the US government. Because I'm not sure what Nintendo has to do with how much walmart is paying you or how much mcdonalds wants for your hamburger.

>>716480031
I was a SEGAchad so I never wasted $70 on a silly videogaem.

>>716479904
I need proteins and meat is still the cheapest way to get sufficient amount of proteins, that includes ground beef you fucking moron.

>>716480134
>Did Nintendo stop your salary from going up?
Yes.
>Did Nintendo make housing and food prices go up?
Yes.

>>716476634
Have you even played DKC? I'm shocked there are people that actually think SMW is better

>>716457470 (OP)
This fucking thread again

>>716462731
>build one with your own labor
Land is even more expensive than a house
>>716463506
>two people income
Yeah no shit you can barely afford a home
>without a loan
So you're both in your later forties?

>>716480587
Anon those 50 dollar CD games would be 100 dollars today, and have 1/3 to 1/4 of the content of the modern games you're screeching about. The real problem is not game prices, which are fantastic, it's the abuse of DLC and microtransactions by some companies. Although everyone is always screaming at Nintendo specifically who doesn't even do DLC for most games, and usually it's worth the price when they do.

If you want to complain about the price, how about Sony, whose games are 7-10 hours long and often get remastered for even more money 4 years after they came out. I'm not sure the 30-40 hour long Donkey Kong is the problem here when Astrobot is almost the same price and 5 hours long.

>>716468718
>2014
I wonder how shit this looks 11 years later

This thread is turning me into a commie wtf

Should have gone to college instead of trusting some grifter memes about trades lmao

reminder

>>716457470 (OP)
How much grocery store food gets thrown away because no one buys it

>>716459072
How awfully antisemitic of you

>>716457470 (OP)
>See food going x7 in the past 35 years
>See video games go x2 in the past 35 years
>Conclusion: yeah it's fair for video games to go up instead of holy shit food went x7 what the fuck food should be cheaper
Absolutely domesticated min, but hey at least you can snack on that pack of oreos that comes bundled with your $500 console

>>716483229
A couple years ago when hell (Texas) froze over the government devoted some of its limited resources in a crisis to having armed policemen guard grocery store dumpsters so homeless people couldn't eat food that the grocery store literally could not sell

>>716468743
>Modern stuff is so bloated you'll never want to touch it again
That's almost exclusively AAA games. Indies, AA and Nintendo games are still designed like that.

>>716468118
How about you invest in a couple of braincells dummy.

Beef beef beef beef
Big beef big beef big beef big beef
Big big big big big big big beef
Beef
Beef
Beef!

>>716459813
While the current shareholder investment system is hilariously bad for the general population, investment as a concept isn't.
In a functioning economy investors are tasked with finding the correct allocation of resources according to what people need. This is a hard problem that every command economy country always struggles with. You can have all the labor and resources in the world, if you're going to use it up to make beanie babies then everyone will die of starvation. Someone has to decide on what should be done. This can either be a government commissar, throwing around an endless stream of money, or it can be a private investor who is "invested", as in he has limited capital that can be squandered with bad decisions.
And no, worker cooperatives aren't the solution either. They will consistently deny any growth, because they always maximize their own wage, or rather dividends, so nothing remains for expansion of the enterprise. They will also usually block growth by refusing to hire new people, as those are seen as competition for a limited pool of wages. This results in an artificial scarcity, wherein the economy would have enough labor and resources to satisfy all its needs, but the capital owners, the workers, refuse to allow for the necessary growth of their enterprises.

>>716457470 (OP)
supply of games went up
demand for each individual game went down as a result
price went down as a result of that

basic economics

>>716457470 (OP)
>Shill thread sympathizing with milti billion dollar company making EVEN. MORE. MONEY. simply because a then and now comparison
Please nap in a burning building

>>716485494
I didn't interpret OP that way, more like "oh you thought video game price inflation is bad?", like we're living in really harsh times, worse than we think

>>716457470 (OP)
>The cost of literally everything is going up,
which means people have less money to spend on shitty games

>>716486040
Most people nowadays play f2p shit.
The era of buying video games is fading.

>>716462009
You must live in Sweden

>>716480482
The breadth of content in smw in comparison blows dkc away. Got hidden levels, a hidden world of star road, and then the challenge levels.

>>716459263
What brown zoomers don't realize, is that the best way to relaunch any economy is to fight a war.
We're all headed that way.

>>716462257
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>716480031
What sort of savant was beating those games in 5 hours? I didn't beat any of my console games (handhelds were way easier) until I was a teenager in the 2000s. I put dozens of hours into Super Star Wars before I ever beat it.

>>716483692
It is actually insane how people on this site complain about how trash AAA games are (they are correct), but also only play AAA games.

why is ground beef so expensive now? is someone hoarding it like toilet paper during COVID?