Thread 716465735

What was going on with Nintendo in the 6th Gen?

>>716465735 (OP)
SOVL

>>716465735 (OP)
WATER

>>716465735 (OP)
What specifically do you want to talk about
Games defined by their shitty gimmicks?

Ocho punto Ocho XD

>>716465735 (OP)
Getting spitroasted by the PS2 and Xbox.

>>716465850
still waiting for a reply before I write my answer

>>716465735 (OP)
Making fun games and not giving a fuck about the haters because they knew they were playing the long game and would eventually win

>>716466816
Windwaker and Sunshine were rushed to market and were unfinished games. Nintendo's backs were against the wall because the N64 flopped hard, and the GameCube sold even worse. Nintendo was kept on lifesupport thanks entirely to Pokemon's surprise mega success. The only good Nintendo first-party game of this gen was Metroid Prime.

>>716465735 (OP)
Nintendo were shitting their pants over PS2 so they rushed Sunshine and Wind Waker out the door cutting corners in the process

>>716466816
WW and Sunshine were both dogshit.

>>716465735 (OP)
Rushed development leading to unfinished games, Sunshine infamously had a large number of missions that were not properly implemented in time so the Shines associated with them were just put in the harbor shack bein sold for blue coins.
Wind Waker had a similar issue and at least two dungeons were cut for time, the Nayru Pearl dungeon and the Triforce dungeon, these objects are instead obtained in the overworld; years later prior to the release of Wind Waker HD people asked if this content would be restored but Aonuma explained most of it was already repurposed for Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.

When will the "Gamecube was actually good!" meme die?
>Sunshine was garbage
>Wind Waker was garbage
>Both Star Fox games were garbage
>Donkey Kong was relegated to gimmicky shit
>Zero (0) games after 2003
>Zero (0) 3rd party support
Gamecube was dogshit

>>716465735 (OP)
they set out to make the worst entries in all the series

>>716467037
Tales of Symphonia on GameCube is still to thus day the only decent version of that game, Tales of the Abyss was severely damaged by having to be a PS2 title, had it been on the GameCube it would have also likely been better.

>>716465735 (OP)
Making the best games of all time?

>>716467037
Prime 1
Prime 2
Resident evil remake
Re4
Eternal darkness
Giest
Melee

>>716466925
They're also timeless kino that everybody loves except for retards

>>716466925
>The only good Nintendo first-party game of this gen was Metroid Prime.

MP2 and Twilight Princess as well

Wind Waker is better than Twilight Princess.
Sunshine is better than Odyssey because unlike that game it offers a challenge.

>>716467037
SEGA outdid Nintendo on their own console.

>>716465735 (OP)
>>716466816
>>716467178
>>716467206
Super Mario Shitstain is fucking garbage.
t. beaten it 10+ times

>>716465735 (OP)
Had both of those games. Both of them were summer time kino

>>716467354
21st pbp

>>716467186
>Prime 1
>Prime 2
shitty console fps and you play as a gross bulldyke
>RE remake
soulless dogshit rushed out because the shitcube didn't have backwards compatibility
>Re4
worst version of it
>sMelee
groomer tool

>>716467037
Tales of Symphonia and Pokemon Colloseum were good

>>716466925
>The only good Nintendo first-party game of this gen was Metroid Prime.
Metroid Prime is not good and was never good. We only pretend it's good because reviewers like walking sims. It wasn't even a top 10 first party GCN game
>pikmin1&2
>chibi robo
>melee
>wave race
>baten kaitos
>fzero gx
>loztp and ww
>dk jungle beat
>fe por
To name a few

I grew up with a gamecube only and loved it back then but I hate it now compared to the competition. Ps2 has a much better library. Gen6 is just that good

>>716467486
>worst version of it
More enemies, harder, better graphics, but I guess snoys need an easier game

>>716467121
>Tales of Symphonia on GameCube is still to thus day the only decent version of that game,
That's not a good game at all though. I played and beat it as a kid. We're comparing that to ps2 rpgs? Come on man

>>716467819
Name one PS2 rpg that's better? lol pro tip you can't
Gamecube also had PSO I & II which mogs everything on PS2 multiple times over

>>716467781
>more weapons, most costumes, more scenarios, better controls, widescreen support
shitcube....has uh..............better cutscenes and.......uh....*braps*

>>716468397
You think ToS was better than ffx or persona 4? I hate rpgs as a concept rn but hell no

>>716468397
>Name one PS2 rpg that's better? lol pro tip you can't
ffx, ffxi, ffxii, persona 3, persona 4, ffvii, ffviii, ffix
>Gamecube also had PSO I & II
kek cubie retards actually paid to use their own internet what a bunch of fucking subhuman retards.

reminder ps2 has online support for hundreds of games and all the shitcube had was a flopped mmo ported from the dreamcast

>>716467354
ngl i think you secretly enjoy it, mate.

>>716467486
>Re4
>worst version of it

>>716469113
getting a gamecube as a kid ruined my life forever
the only way it could have been worse is if I had star fox adventures too

>>716469210
Delet this

>>716465735 (OP)
Wasn't just 6th gen. It was that early mystical 2000s where absolutely every game had to detour into the unknown.

>>716468976
Yes. Also Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles was better and cubechad exclusive

>>716469069
>ffx, ffxi, ffxii, persona 3, persona 4, ffvii, ffviii, ffix
crrrrrrrringe

>>716470613
Majoras Mask is the best zelda game.
>time travel gimmick
>scheduled NPC gimmick
>mask collect gimmick
>play as zora, deku, and goron, gimmick

compare this to later games
WW - sailing gimmick
TP - play as a dog lol, also motion controls

and botw gimmick is mostly just open world but the building part stuff is decent i guess.

>>716465735 (OP)
If wind waker had 1-2 more dungeons and a couple more major islands it would be the best zelda game.

>>716471385
Really? So why didn't they do that in the HD version? No, they actually took more content out because it's that fucking terrible.

>>716467310
based

>>716471079
>2 mins of Princess Zelda max
>No Ganon
>No Hyrule
>No Triforce
>No Master Sword
>No overused adult Link as the main protagonist
>No toon graphics
>Linearly told story
>Difficult puzzles
>Brand new lore in a new country with new mechanics with darker anime tone

This is what makes it the best to me. It's totally unique.

>>716467486
>RE remake
>soulless dogshit rushed out because the shitcube didn't have backwards compatibility
shut the fuck up, you absolute cretin

>>716472902
>gamecube backwards compatibility
>with resident evil 1
???

>>716466938
This level did fuck me up as a kid with the physics but it really only took a few tries
I still love Sunshine and it is arguably my favorite GC game that isn't Smash

>>716468397
Bro are you really trying to compare the Gamecube to the JRPG system

>>716472902
kill yourself cubie. your shitty flopcube ruined the legacy of RE1 with its neutered soulless demake and turned the series into actionslop for more than a decade

>>716465735 (OP)
Sunshine was fine, though it seems to have been inspired by the global warming (now climate change) discourse at the time. The commercials definitely took that angle. Wind Waker, on the other hand, seemed to be aimed at very early children. Hero mode in the Wii U rerelease can mitigate the combat difficulty if only by throwing the balance away slightly, but nothing can fix the simple puzzles.

I hindsight the Wii era was much MUCH worse

>>716467310
>Get Sega to make kino for you
>Never do it again, ever
Very bizarre they were just content on getting sanic vidya on their console afterwards I guess it was the best outcome of the consolewars from the 90s though.

>>716467037
Wind Waker wasn't garbage but Twilight Princess was

Ah I see we're ranking up from seething over people liking the N64 to seething over people liking the gamecube. What fun!

>>716472136
This just confirms my theory that Majora's Mask is Zelda for people who don't like Zelda

>>716465735 (OP)
Both of these games are pure, unadulterated, magical soul. WW is one of the top 10 best games ever made.

>>716474234
n64 has fans and is a respectable console
shitcube has literally nothing, the controller is shit, the games are shit, the hardware is shit, the support was shit.
the "people" who like the shitcube fall into 3 categories:
1. smelee grooming latinx pedos who aren't allowed within 300 feet of a playground
2: transgender mario shitshine speedrunners
3. indian marketing agencies nintendo hired to astroturf shitcube games here just before they're added to NSO on the switch 2

>>716467727
>GCN
Gamecube Nintendo? Retard.
>Metroid Prime was never good
Subhuman.

I'm glad there's others that feel this way

I loved Ocarina and Mario 64, and Wind Waker and Mario Sunshine felt like such colossal letdowns

>>716474613
You have a very unpopular opinion but it doesn't matter in the end

>>716468502
>costumes
Tranny argument.

>>716474613
you have the correct opinion and it did matter hence the shitcube flopping and everyone forgetting it exists
>>716474735
>cutscenes and uh...balance changes i made up in my head
cubie argument

>>716471079
>time travel gimmick
Instant slop.

>>716474710
The only direct GameCube sequel that really lived up was Paper Mario

Also while I'm venting I think I fucking hate Banjo Tooie
It's like they took Banjo Kazooie and made it feel terrible to play

>>716467486
>shitty console fps
Rent free, pee seethe faggot.

Everyone who complained about Wind Waker's graphics was completely justified. Imagine if Nintendo walked out here with this, and said "this is Mario's art style going forward." Not just one game, cause remember, before Twilight Princess, this WAS the art style they were pushing. Four Swords, Minish Cap. The cel shaded visual was the "standard" they wanted to set.

>>716474859
i never noticed that this shit came from the sunshine cover

>>716474859
nah it was fine, because look: twilight princess had that more realistic graphical fidelity that you cared so much about, and that game was marginally shitty in various ways. graphical fidelity doesn't make a better (or worse) game.

>>716465823
This. Remember Final Fantasy X? Fucking everyone was obsessed with showing off what they could do with water during the first half of the 00's. It was THE thing you could do to show off how advanced your hardware was.

>>716474916
The point is they forced an art style on people that was radically different from every popular title before it. Zelda's graphics weren't "realistic," but they sure as shit weren't Wind Waker. Should've been used on an original game.

>>716467727
>We only pretend it's good because reviewers like walking sims. It wasn't even a top 10 first party GCN game
Yeaaaah not around that time tho.

>>716474978
Sure, but Wind Waker is good and/or shit for reasons outside of its visual presentation.

>>716474710
His opinion was very popular back during the Gamecube's relevance. Especially for Wind Waker, there was a very real shock over the artstyle change. People were expecting OoT 2.0 and then we got "Toon" Link. It was absolutely unfairly maligned for that, but when Twilight Princess was first revealed with a much more "serious" artstyle, the hype was unreal just for that alone. People genuinely felt like a return to form was coming, although in the end TP suffered from its own critics who weren't happy with it despite the fact that IMO it did OoT's formula better than OoT itself.

Fortunately, Nintendo didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Wind Waker's artstyle stuck around for smaller scale releases, and TP retained a lot of the expressiveness in Link that WW introduced. Subsequent big Zelda releases would continue to experiment with cel shaded styles mixed with more realistic proportions. Nintendo listened to feedback but didn't let it sour them on a good thing entirely.

>>716475028
And I'm saying people who took issues with the graphics weren't wrong for it. There's this narrative that people were wrong for critiquing it. This was a wholesale pedal to the metal attempt to alter the visual identity of the series, that was only paused after the backlash.

>>716465735 (OP)
when west wanted to be more edgy and muh realism, japan just did their wacky shit which the world really adore and actually crave now more than ever since everything went shit. if you shit at those games you mean that you like conflicts and just want more "adult games" like battlefield.

>suddenly remembered I still have the OG windwaker version.
I should play it again, the remake was OK but it lost the colour and warmth of the original.

>>716474312
I absolutely loved Ocarina of Time. As a "typical" Zelda game it was fantastic, but if the sequel to OoT was just another game set in the same Hyrule with the same Link and the same Ganon/Triforce/Hyrule/Master Sword/Hylian Shield/Princess Zelda shit all over again I would have absolutely fucking hated it since it would be exactly the same thing.

OoT did its job by being the first 3D Zelda game, and so it makes sense that it carried the traditional elements with it. What's boring is if every game still does that non-stop with no original elements that change the formula the way MM did. TWW did this too actually which is why I also love that game for experimenting by getting mostly getting rid of Hyrule and replacing it with an ocean story, but it's obviously not as impressive as MM since it eventually falls back into that and in a way that, even though they revisted the old elements, wasn't as emotionally engaging as the way OoT did it. However the Great Flood provided enough of a massive mix up that TWW still ended up being a great game.

TP imo was a great game too because it started off in Ordon province which was described as separate from Hyrule proper and had the Twilight Realm, Midna and the dark anime atmosphere they carried over from MM but it still pissed me off at the end that Zant wasn't allowed to be the villain and had to be replaced by a one-dimensional version of Ganondorf. I also didn't like that the Hylian Shield returned, but since TP was basically a big OoT tribute I let it slide. The game was really great but it had some issues.

SS was complete garbage because the setting, despite the sky shit they hamfisted in, was still a generic Zelda story about Zelda, Hyrule, the Hylian Shield again (it's not even an OoT tribute this time???) the Triforce and Ganonmise, it had the worst possible toon graphics in the series history which further gentrified the brand right before the series would fall off a toon shaded cliff 6 years later.

>>716475114
>It was absolutely unfairly maligned for that

I do not think so. This shit would NOT fly today. We have people pissed that Donkey Kong got a slight redesign. Nintendo could not announce the next Zelda game looking like some 1920s rubber hose animation, or whatever. People are not accepting towards radical brand changes like that now. They barely bought it 20+ years ago.

>>716475136
You won't catch me arguing the point, but I'm just trying to say that in the larger context it's mostly irrelevant because I've always advocated the point that it (graphical style) doesn't matter. When you're shown an example of a game whose visual fidelity might be more in line with expectations for the time, perhaps you're unwilling to see the shortcomings in its design because it catered to your expectations in some way. That's misguided, WW or TP could've had cel shaded graphics that made it look like a bad Nickelodeon show for all it mattered and the end result would've been the same.

>>716466925
The N64 while it certainly didn't win, didn't flop hard like the GCN did. The N64 and PS1 had a weird dichotomy where despite the PS1 selling a ton more systems, it actually often lost to the N64 in games actually sold for said systems. The PS1 had the "issue" where for a lot of people it was essentially a CD player that also played the single Madden/FIFA game they owned. And that's not even getting into how rampant piracy was on it. So despite "losing" the N64 wasn't some devastating failure and actually made Nintendo a fat profit. The GCN on the other hand, THAT was flopping hard. a distant third place and it didn't have the game sales to make up for it.

>>716475268
You're talking out your ass. There are always parties resistant to change or even the perception of change. Pokemon is a great example, no matter how good or bad the quality of the actual games are, there's always the camp that turns their nose up at the new Pokemon designs and say they don't look like Pokemon.

Hell, people got their panties in a bunch over Charles Martinet being retired from the Mario role. I'm old enough to remember when he was brand new to the role and a bunch of Americans didn't like that he didn't sound like the Brooklyn Mario from the fucking cartoons. You think Dobson was alone in that sentiment? No, he just never grew out of it while normal people moved the fuck on.

And normal people WILL move the fuck on.

>>716474802
>The only direct GameCube sequel that really lived up was Paper Mario
Leave it to SEGA to do something Nintendo cannot.

Someone probably lost their job over this commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WPteMFkI2k

>>716475114
>Subsequent big Zelda releases would continue to experiment with cel shaded styles mixed with more realistic proportions.
There are no Zelda games that exist beyond 2009 and this is the reason why.

>>716475237
>SS was complete garbage

>>716475413
People did not "move on" from disliking Wind Waker's visual style. It was maligned, and Nintendo changed course, stubbornly keeping it for a few handheld titles, like a child mad that people didn't like their idea. Also, let's not pretend Twilight Princess was a "bad" correction from Wind Waker. It objectively sold better than Wind Waker.

>>716475456
Huh. There isn't even a hint of irony here. I was waiting for some "radical" "attitude" twist. But it's just kind of gay.

>>716475228
>>suddenly remembered I still have the OG windwaker version.
I do too, but I almost didn't. Two fags I allowed to come over stole my Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker specifically on separate days, and then proceeded to trade them in at a local pawn shop.

TWW a friend of mine somehow managed to hook me up with his personal copy which was nice of him, and SMS I actually managed to get for a good price and bought again back in like 2019ish. So I have both games again and it feels relieving especially with the GameCube market where it's at now.

There is one other GameCube game that I brought to a friend's house and his little brother broke the disc when we were out, so I haven't owned it since 2007. However the prices of it fell recently and I'm planning on finally buying it again this August when I get my paycheque so I'm pretty psyched about it.
/blog

>>716468502
>5 enemies on screen
Nice port LMAO

Nintendo is such awfulness. All the characters are the same at the end of the day
>ambiguous backstory
>nonverbal
>bright saturated colors to appeal to children
>simple non-personality with simple motivations, like a vague preference for bananas, or money
the posts about these characters are always saturated in 3 layers of irony, to deal with the fact we're talking about literal children's characters here.

>>716475512
>People did not "move on" from disliking Wind Waker's visual style.
Sure they did. In fact, Wind Waker is fondly remembered these days. I'm sorry you want to live in denial.
>Also, let's not pretend Twilight Princess was a "bad" correction from Wind Waker.
I didn't say it was, I said it suffered from its own critics, which it did. Every change in direction will have its critics, even if it's a course correction. BotW is a great example, it was a course correction away from the linear, hand-holdy design of Skyward Sword, and there's a camp that insists Zelda is a dead series because of BotW's new direction.

>>716475681
that's nothing more than visual flare cubie

>>716475776
>NOOOO where is my The Tranny of Us deep heckin tranxbian backstory...

>>716475805
>Sure they did. In fact, Wind Waker is fondly remembered these days.

Because the change was reverted. People now look back fondly on Resident Evil 6 because now it's the "weird" one, even though at release, it was critiqued for turning the series into Gears of War.

>>716475228
There's a hack that lets you use the qol changes from HD on the gamecube version.
Thats probably how I'll play it next time, the bloom in HD is terrible.

>>716475887
Nintendo markets children's products to "all ages". That is the problem. That's why you have guys in their 30's playing games intended for an 8-12 age demographic. They have you constantly wallowing in your childhood, talking about 20 year old games and 30 year old consoles. That is what creates manchildren and trannies, it's specifically Nintendo that's the problem.

>>716475930
People were already getting nostalgic over Wind Waker during the DS era lol, when you had Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks still using the same visual style. Keep coping all you want.

>>716475994
"People LOVE Wind Waker! LOVE it! They were nostalgic for it only a few years after it was out! Where's my information to back this up?... Fuck you!" Yawn. I posted data. Twilight Princess mogged Wind Waker. Aonuma's autistic artistic was rightfully shelved. May it never return.

>>716475993
and Sony has you talking about...Horizon...right?

>>716476054
You posted sales data, comparing sales between a game that was exclusive to a failing platform to a game that released on the same failing platform AND the much, much more successful Wii. That skews the numbers.

But hold on a minute, there's one more platform that had both of these games on it... the Wii U! Hey, would you look at that, Wind Waker HD sold more than Twilight Princess HD. Guess people are more nostalgic for Wind Waker. :^)

>>716476219
You mean the game that was bundled with the Wii U had slightly more sales than the one that wasn't? And it still hasn't outside Twilight Princess overall? Grim.

>>716476056
Check the catalog
>dark grimworld retro shooter
>grand fantasy RPG
>violent bloody hack-and-slash with boobs
>artistic game with forms and color

Then there's the Nintendo threads
>cute colorful, smiling character
>cute colorful, smiling character
>cute colorful, smiling character
It's like little piles of dog shit all over the catalog.

The character-based threads are completely vacant of any substance. Look at this cute smiling children's character from Nintendo.
Even worse are the "nostalgia threads" about old consoles, old games from 30 years ago. "I remember when I was a kid and....." terrible.

These threads are so fucking out of place, they stick out like a sore thumb. Whether it's Pokemon, Mario, Splatoon, the N64, the Gameboy Advance, all this Nintendo shit is cancer. It's the reason gaming is associated with manchildren, and not just normal entertainment like movies or TV.

>>716475512
did you even look at that sales chart you posted? It sold better because it was on the Wii. A launch title at that. People actually bought the Wii so they actually bought games for it. The pattern repeats across all of Nintendos first party titles. The Gamecube entry is essentially always the worst selling entry in the franchise outside spinoffs and handheld quasi-spinoffs. Has nothing to do with quality. It's just a simple matter of install base. Like Path of Radiance is usually considered one of the if not the best Fire Emblem game, but it was on the GCN so it sold like shit.

>>716476302
People wanna talk about old shit instead of modern slop? Crazy

>>716476412
I am being generous here and including the version of the chart with the Wii U remake where it was bundled with the console. It still did not outside Twilight Princess. People complained about Wind Waker. Nintendo listened and created what people wanted. It led to higher sales. Every consumer should be happy about this.

>>716471727
Because it was a simple port to a flop console? They never add substantial content like that for remaster. It has nothing to do with the quality of the game dumbfuck.

>>716476472
And yes, I did misspell "outsell" twice. I do not know how that happened.

>>716476491
>Because it was a simple port to a flop console?

It was not a port. It was a remaster that fucked up the art style tremendously.

>>716476472
>Thinks a games sales are not heavily affected by the platform it's released on.

>>716476624
Bundled. Title. Still couldn't catch up with Twilight Princess.

>>716467037
Yu-gi-oh Falsebound Kingdom, Tak and the Power of Juju, Melee, Colosseum, Double Dash, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, there’s plenty of great games in the GameCube catalog.

>>716474802
F-Zero GX>F-Zero X
Jungle Beat>64
Metroid Prime>No Metroid
Melee>64
Double Dash>64
Path of Radiance>No Fire Emblem
>Resident Evil 1 Remake and 4>Resident Evil 2

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>>716467037
3rd party games ran better on the cube than the ps2.
Cube also had a ton of exclusives that ran at a locked 60 fps.

>>716476901
NTA, but most of those third party titles would run even better on the Xbox, unless you're something like Sonic Heroes.

>>716476901
ps2 has more 60fps games, shitcube couldn't even get 60 out of trash like shitshine

>>716466816
>Making fun games
Then they failed, games in the OP are ass

>>716476683
Bundled with a system no one bought. No one has the pack in title for the fucking N-Gage either. Hell the Wii-U did even worse than the GCN did, to the degree most people didn't know it existed.

>>716477127
Still a bundled title. But hey, at least it managed to stop being soul-crushingly embarrassing, in selling half of Twilight Princess's units. Now it's only 2/3rds of TP's sales.

>>716477028
>ps2 has more 60fps games
No it doesn't.

>>716477019
Xbox was much more powerful so no shit sherlock.

>>716477236
Well I mean you were pointing out that it could run games better than the PS2. I was saying there was a competitor that could do even better.

>>716477202
it absolutely does jak, gow, sly, ratchet, mgs2, burnout, crash woc

>>716465763
fpbp

https://youtu.be/6Mw3Z5TYrjY