Thread 717016635

I don't understand how this game is so bad? Not really bad, but the weakest in the series? Can someone help me understand. Even I consider it the worst and a complete downgrade from 2, but I don't know why.

>>717016635 (OP)
Story is boring
Characters are boring
The world/exploration is boring

I liked 3, idk

>>717016635 (OP)
XC3 > XC2

>>717016635 (OP)
>>717016792
>>717016829
>>717016876

>>717016876
On opposite day

>>717016904
Oh okay, if we're going off of metacritic scores then you must think TLOU2 is one of the best games ever made.

>>717016969
See >>717016904

>>717017017
See>>717017015

>>717016904
Ok?
My favorite is X

>>717016635 (OP)
2 is the worst one and I'm convinced it only gets praise here for the coomer content

>>717017140
kys

Xenoalde 3 is obviously a good game since you do nothing but seethe about it everyday.

>>717016635 (OP)
3 is the worst one and I'm convinced it only gets praise here for the coomer content

>>717016635 (OP)
I liked the 6+1 party member count. Feels good to have a JRPG that actually lets you use more than 3 party members for once.

>>717017309
7 is too much of a clusterfuck. 4 is the sweet spot, XCX got it right.

>title screen and incendiary bait post in the OP
this is gonna be a great xenoblade thread I know it

>>717016635 (OP)
I don't know if I've seen a game more divisive on /v/.
Sometimes threads shit on it, sometimes they praise it.
It's crazy.

I liked it. But I would say because it had an “optimized” development time. There was nothing rushed or jank to it. It actually released ahead of schedule. It played it too safe basically. .

It’s not bad.

>>717016635 (OP)
>but I don't know why.
Story and writing drops off a sheer cliff for the last two chapters.
This makes it stand out against 1 and 2 where the finale was the peak of the game and top kino.

>>717016876
In redditland sure

>>717017608
It is bad.

>>717017579
>There was nothing rushed or jank to it.
The entire cooking system was broken on release. Manana's meals didn't give any stat boosts even though they said it did.

>>717017854
Touché.

>>717016904
X should be higher but this is otherwise accurate.

>no Xenoblade X million sales update on the Nintendo sales report today
what a flop

>>717016635 (OP)
>Snuff, Spark, *insert more fictional swears*
Really shouldn't be in the EN translation. Baseline it breaks immersion when you hear fictional swears in what's supposed to be serious scenes. I get they're trying to get some of the untranslatable parts of JP across like in the first flashback Eunie's
>ゆ 油断したぜー
>Ugh...I snuffed this one up.
But this just isn't the way to do it. If you have to insert swears for emotional effect it should be actual swears people use. And commonly used ones at that.

>>717018665
They shoulda made a switch 2 version and actually marketed it.
Woulda sold as one of the only launch titles.

>>717016635 (OP)
3 is definitely not as good as 1, but it's a step up from 2 at least.
X is the black sheep, though even if the story is nonexistent, I'd still put it above 2, I think.
If the series is to continue on Switch 2, I hope they go full open world like X and give the story more focus like with the numbered entries.

>>717016635 (OP)
The bright vibrant and dynamic worlds you have to save in one and two are simply more compelling than a flat blasted dying world you have to destroy.
Three takes way too long to get to the fun part of the game for fans of the series, and the hard break away to menu screens for the chain attack mechanic seems more repetitive than how chain attacks work in 1 and 2.

I like 3 the best and X #2 because I love class systems

>>717016635 (OP)
Xenoblade is, and always has been, shit.

>>717019343
> shit
> miles better than 90% of the other jrpgs
other devs need to step it the fuck up then

>>717016635 (OP)
I’m 80% sure Takahashi wanted to make 3 an actual crossover of 1 and 2 but Nintendo said no but they’ll allow him to make the crossover the DLC. Takahashi then just phoned in the base game so he could make the DLC.

>>717019739
What bliss it must be to have standards this low.

>>717018996
>it's a step up from 2
Wrong.

>>717021198
Yeah.

>>717021243
Nah.

>>717021198
It is, as an iterative sequel.
But X is where the series should have went, honestly. 1 was limited by Wii's hardware, but 2 (and 3) had no excuse to go back to segmented worlds.

But my favorite is 3? Didn't play X yet however.
I hope they keep having the 6 members parties, its loads of fun.

>>717021813
>It is, as an iterative sequel.
No it isn't.

>>717018794
(2/1)
Actually sometimes it doesn't even fit the tone. It's kind of ad-libbed in. Like a little later on with Garvel
>お荷物がー
>Sparking Deadweight
It definitely shouldn't be here because Garvel is being noticing that Joran is a good healer here, and he follows this up by changing plans to focus on getting rid of Joran. Also the
>お荷物
comes up again and they translate it different. When it should really be translated the same. In the JP Garvel is using it to refer to Joran in place of his name. So the translation should be consistent to get the idea that it's kind of title.

>>717017492
We can always try to turn dirt into gold.

I'm so tired of the overarching story. It's the worst part of the whole thing and drags all of them down. Xenoblade should have ended with the first one.

>>717022158
Or you could just ignore it and let it archive.

>>717022264
There is no overarching story

>>717022158
But don't gold ranks have a habit of disappearing
?

>>717021946
Ok, buddy.

>>717022264
Just don't reply. But I guess the schizo OP will keep bumping his own thread.

>>717022447
Concession accepted.

>>717018794
>commonly used swears
are there any besides "shit" that would actually work for a culture that doesn't have any concept of theology or sexual reproduction?
>>717022291
he's talking about the klaus plot, which I can understand to a degree due to the retcons needed to make shit like alvis make sense. but I dunno, I thought that 3 wrapped it up pretty definitively.

It'll always be ecks to me. I'll never say "zeenoblayd cross"

>>717022668
>I thought that 3 wrapped it up pretty definitively.
Chapter 13 of XCX proved that they're never moving on from "the adventures of Shulk + Rex and their families"

1>3>2

2>1>3

X>1>3>2

1 > 3 > 2 (story)
2 > 3 > 1 (combat)

>>717016635 (OP)
Because of a few things
>Music
Basically an endless series of callbacks to better songs. The few new tracks are heavily underutilized, game constantly interrupts its own music so you can't even get into a flow. The same issues plagued 1, so it is horrible to see them make the same mistakes.
>Characters
Completely one note and they barely change. Sena becomes only a bit more self conscious about how she presents herself. Lanz is still a big meat head that doesn't consider others feelings. Eunie is still pretty much a bitch by the end. Each of them also feels like watered down versions of other characters from the previous games.
>Gameplay
Too many systems that don't mesh together and feel like they were just trying to put as many gimmicks as they could. The few things they did put together, don't even fit together well, like Ouroboros transformations and Chain Attacks. You get absolutely shit damage if you try to Ouroboros chain compared to if you just did a full normal chain. Despite Ouroboros transformations being the big gimmick of the game. Most of the Ouroboros attacks also don't even work well in the first place and just turns it into a big damage opener to kill off fodder. They didn't think the gameplay through at all.

>>717022979
>3's story above 2's
kys

>>717023181
Noah also starts the game hating war and conflict and ends it hating war and conflict.

>>717023767
Seethe, cope, mald and dilate

>>717022668
>that would actually work for a culture
Aside from the just doing it without swears which is possible. There are things in Japanese that are translated through tone of voice in English instead of particles. It's also not actually immersion breaking if the characters say fuck,shit,cunt. Because what matters is that the characters are using words you understand immediately(because fluency) than the logic of the word's etymology. Every language has saying, idioms, phrases that don't really make logical sense. But you use them anyway without thinking about it. And that's one of the problems with fictional swears. You're taking the reader outside their subconscious understanding of language. Which you can do but I definitely wouldn't advocate doing it in a translation when the source text doesn't. Because there's a reason the original writers choose not to

>>717023490
too many random fucking diversions in 2, sorry.
>lol let's grind the plot to a halt and have your party chase after some kid who pickpocketted roc's core crystal
>lol let's grind the plot to a halt and have you fight a nopon creating maidgirl robots... TWICE
it's still fun and i've got issues with 3's plot too (not enough actual stakes and death) but i've never felt like the story was consistent enough compared to the others

Ignoring the shoehorned story 3s combat system on paper should of been the best the series had to offer but it was ruined by absolute dogshit boss encounters almost all of them had the exact same parameters and resistances with a minor weakness to either physical or ether and every fucking enrage state was pretty much hit 50% do more damage it made every single boss fight bland boring going through the motions whittling down the god awful hp sponges without any thought or strategy because whatever optimal rotation you use will work exactly the same on every other boss.

>>717023996
As opposed to 3's random diversions
>lol let's help Zeon grow potatoes

I like 3's gameplay but the class system was meh and chain attacks ended up being way, way too strong again
The side game was really good though

>>717024221
fuck, was that part of the main quest? I thought that was a side hero quest lmao

>>717016635 (OP)
The whole thing just feels completely bland and milquetoast.
The world doesn't have any of the originality of the first 2 since it's just a mish-mash of "yooo remember this from that other game?!?" moments and a lot of open space but no faster travel method, like the entire main party has a variation of "woe is me, poor child soldier" backstory, the extreme freedom and lack of specialization in the characters gameplay-wise just ends up feeling like they begin blending together, the overleveling problem that older games kinda tackled and solved is back and the worst it's ever been, overall the whole game just feels extremely safe, streamlined and nonthreatening, there is not a single bit of spice to it. Even the character designs look like they're wearing IRL clothes with LED strips on top. The game is so bland, cowardly and safe that it just feels very uninteresting. They didn't even deliver on the world design, the even fucked that one up and the world design was pretty much the best part of every other Xenoblade.

I think they listened to the screechers who don't play or pay for videogames a bit too much and after XC2 they over-corrected into bland nothingness. And XC2 ended up being the best selling game they ever made.
lol, lmao even

I wonder what their next game is going to be like and if we're going to see the evidence of any lessons learned, good or bad, since they clearly didn't get the right message from XC2's reception.

>>717024475
>since they clearly didn't get the right message from XC2's reception.

What was that message? That enough gooner-bait can sell anything, no matter how lackluster the gameplay and narrative might be?

>>717024475
trvthnvke

>>717016635 (OP)
It is a Xenoblade game. Hope this helps.

>>717024960
>no matter how lackluster the gameplay and narrative might be?
But enough about XC3.

Takahashi is a hack that keeps putting Xenogears plot points and characters into his other games

>>717016635 (OP)
Because it's sword art online

>>717025041
This describes every Xenoblade.

>>717024321
Yeah lol. It was part of the main quest lol. It's really weirdly timed too. Chapter 4 you need to destroy that cannon in Keves castle but they put it off to deal with Colony 9's food crisis. Talk about breaking the tension lmao.

>>717016635 (OP)
You are simply wrong. That's all.

>>717024475
>right message from XC2's reception
knowing how retarded are japs, they will double down on coomshit for their next game since that's why people liked 2

>>717016635 (OP)
You are simply right. That's all.

>>717026258
The people have spoken, they want more coom in xenoblade

Hikari

>>717022442
But gold is peak. You wanna be gold don't you?

>>717028304
>bumping a shitpost thread off of page 9
Fucking kill yourself retard

>>717016635 (OP)
Personally I think the music is the weakest in some areas. The party is really good but the writing in some areas is just weird. The whole "spark" shit to just get around curse words is retarded, it really diminishes some of the lines or deliveries, I'm watching a scene and then get pulled off by that and feel like watching a disney channel program. I feel like I could go a bit more in detail about why the game feels the weakest, but in general I would say the game did a lot of things very very well, but it has some of the worst and baffling choices for some things that could be considered minor details that just hurt the overall experience. It really feels like the team had a vision for what they wanted the game to be and then someone came in, told them they could not do that and had to change it.

>>717030404
>The party is really good
Hard disagree.

Is there a way to turn off the menu music?

>>717031250
Exit the menu by pressing b.

>>717031349
Oh I don't know why I didn't think of that

sex with mio

>>717033781
Stop fucking bumping this thread off page 10 retard

>>717033961
Start posting to generate discussion then retard

>>717034031
It's a shitpost thread retard, just let it die already.

>>717034145
It's a shitpost thread retard, so I can stay.

>>717034187
Why would you repeatedly keep a thread alive when it's shitting on a game you like?
Must be a mental illness.

X is kino

>>717017379
Could have done 3 characters but they act in pairs. Kinda like how Torna did.

>>717034249
Why are you repeatedly coming to a thread when it's shitting on a game you like?
Must be a worse mental illness

>>717034357
Yep, you're a schizo.

>>717016792
FPBP

M's final line in JP is ありがとう ノア not "it's been fun Noah". This is an odd change because really it's just "thank you" there's not really some rare usage cases. And any other meaning is subtext that's not tied to Japanese culture, so it doesn't need to be localized. Correct me if you think I'm wrong though

>>717016635 (OP)
I will flip the question, i never once saw anyone explain what makes it good!
This game is grossly overrated it actually insane.

When someone comes to me and praises this shit i immediately question their taste.

>>717016904
God, XB2 sucked. I didn't play 3 as a result, but I can't imagine it's worse.

>>717035840
3 is worse.

>>717016635 (OP)
>I don't understand how this game is so bad?
Because you;'re parroting 4chan's opinions instead of really thinking hard

>>717035231
Because translation quality is actually related to the game while vague over-the-top statement about which game is the bad one is what actually matters?

>>717034357
You're replying to a /vg/ refugee. They're so desperate to revive their dead general on /v/.

>story goes to complete shit after the insane height of chapter 5, characters turn into hollow mouthpieces for the writer
>N gets wasted, all secondary villains are TRASH and by far the worst Takahashi has ever done
>7 party members were a mistake, you're effectively only controlling 1/7 of the encounter outside chain attacks, the rest is all automated
>the world is somehow completely uninspired and lacks the insane atmosphere of 2 and 1's

>>717036898
You guys don't even discuss anything though. It's just a bunch of random disconnected replies and bumps. You might as well just donate it to the /vg/ refugees.

>>717037149
Because some retard keeps bumping this shitty thread off page 10 for some reason.

GIVE GORMOTT BACK TO THE GORMOTTI!!! THE ARDAINIANS ARE EVIL CONQUERORS!!

>>717038870
Stop bumping this shitty thread off page 10 you fucking retard.

words cannot express how badly i need consul N to impregnate me

>>717039004
Men can't be impregnated.

>>717016792
/thread

>>717038870
>>717039004
/vg/ refugees

>>717038870
You going to push this thread to 500 posts by yourself again schizo?

Definitive Factual Information:
Plot
1 > 3 > 2 > X
Gameplay/Combat
2 > 3 > X > 1
Exploration
X > 2 > 3 > 1

>>717039442
>Plot
>3 > 2
Wrong.

I hope this guy freaking out over the thread being bumped spends all night in it.

>>717039510
>trying to argue with definitive and factual information

>>717039520
Why do you keep bumping a thread that's shitting on a game you like? Schizo retard

>>717039572
Retard.

>>717039004
You will never be a woman, tranny.

3 >>>>>>> 2. Coomers lost

>>717016792
ok they phoned in everything after ch5 ending yeah but the gameplay rivals best in series, OST is just as good as 1 and 2, and some narrative moments with N in particular might contain Xenos best writing
it's just incomplete
and the DLC feels standalone rather than additional
i love xb3 though, the ending really helped me. The roads go on without end.

Xenoblade 4. But with FF7 Remake/Rebirth style combat.

>>717039760
>but the gameplay rivals best in series
Not at all. Too much focus on chain attacks, and Ouroboros are trash in combat.
>some narrative moments with N in particular might contain Xenos best writing
Not even close.

>ANOTHER 2fag vs 3fag thread
Don't you faggots ever get tired of this shit?

>>717039923
But I'm a 1/2/Xfag who hates three because of how lazy the consolidation of everything is done, and because it feels like Takahashi was too busy jerking himself off to realize people play games for other reasons than surface-level philosophy lectures.

>>717039923
2fags trying to trash 3chads every time

>>717039923
If it counts, I don't hate 3. I just feel like it misses the mark in a few places

>>717039923
3fags trying to trash 2chads every time

>>717039824
I will not.

>>717040578
Why do you keep bumping a shitpost thread?

>>717040728
Because it has discussion of xenoblade even if it started as a shit post. This entire site is a shit post heap. Might as well get something out of it.

>>717040810
>Because it has discussion of xenoblade
Not really.
Let it die and make a real thread retard.

>>717040578
The funny thing is that Eulegenimos is a gigantic hypocrite. Because he left Tantal to go salvaging until his father died and he needed to take up his duties as king

Official Zeke x Pandy sex minigame in Xenoblade 4

>>717041598
>implying Klaus saga characters in XC4

>>717041642
It will be an epilogue set in the past

>>717041802
Retard

>>717041802
/vg/ refugee

>>717041598
Why would that be included in Hikari's son's game?

>>717042035
>implying Hikari's son in XC4

>>717042035
It's a daughter. Pyra and Mythra can only produce daughters since they're the female aspect of the Trinity.

>>717042075
>Implying he's not going to be the protagonist of XB4

>>717042257
>Implying he's going to be in XB4

Shania was one of the few things I liked about XB3 but I feel like they didn't flesh her out enough. We should have had more Sena and Shania screentime.

>>717042257
He won't. It would be strange to have him around without his siblings. And Mio definitely won't appear because that would ruin 3's ending.

>>717042321
Shania a shit. Worst girl in the entire series.

>>717042321
I think it's funny how every Shaniafag hates every single aspect of XC3 except for Shania. Really says a lot about them.

>>717016635 (OP)

YOU MUST PICK A SIDE

>>717026718
>>717042035
>>717042075
>Hikari

>>717042495
You forgot your picture of a white guy in a kimono

Another awful Xenoblade thread. Must be day that ends in -y.

>>717040918
As I think about it though, 500 years? These motherfuckers let Indol destroy their home for 500 years just so they could PRETEND to be Addam's descendants? The Tantalese barely reacted after learning the truth. They've been living in a winter desert for centuries. They had to move up to the frozen spires because they couldn't stop the area before from icing over. Which is why the Omega Fetter that controls Genbu rests next to a frozen lake. Euloginemos, you were born into a family of prideful, suicidal dumbasses

>>717016635 (OP)
Because its just not a very good game. It's okay, every long-running series has one or two stinkers. Hopefully XC4 puts the series back on track.

>>717043342
I think XC3 will end up being the FF12 of the Xenoblade series. It has some merits but overall it's just not as memorable as other entries in the series

>>717043342
3's issue is being the mediocre entry that was also supposed to be the big end-all, be-all of everything prior and bring the worlds and fandoms together as one. It's a meager, forgettable 7 that desperately needed to be a once-in-a-lifetime 10 for how much pride Monolith took in it.

>>717043648
I think the problem comes from this really weird instance to not address the world itself. I got to this point in the game and wondered how did Mechonis and Uraya react to being forced together? I got to the Urayan Mines today and no one is here. It's empty. This game is being carried almost entirely on the main cast and they do not have enough charisma to carry a whole game on their own. I don't understand, 2 was an improvement on 1 in making most of the cast members relevant to the adventure they were on. These characters should have WAY more to say given this is the 3rd entry in the series and all of them are invested due to being enemies of the world.

Mother and daughter

>>717044497
>[headcanon] and [headcanon]

>>717044149
This made /v/pol seethe in rage

>>717044497
They aren't related, retard.

It's like I'm really browsing zombie-era /xgg/.

>>717044497
So I guess they eventually got that Telethia thing worked out

>>717045232
Mixed bloods don't turn into telethia, stupid speedreader

>>717045225
Go back redditard.

>>717016792
Facts

I liked it very much but the final boss was super fucking lame and the pink niggas didn't have much development, the two you fight before the final boss didn't even get their own death cutscene.

Funny how the orange alien causes such seethe

>>717045458
Go back redditard.

>>717016635 (OP)
The game's story peaks too early
2 and 1 peak near the end, making it feel a much better experience

The first half of the game feels like a sidequest where nothing happens, and the world isn't interesting because there are no towns, only camps. And you can't even go into the parked Ferronises after like the first 1 or 2.

XB4 will be a return to form and will be as soulful and horny as XB2.

XB4 will be Xenosaga Returns, which is Perfect Works Episode 1

>>717045704
>implying Xenosaga

>>717017379
Nah, I like being able to micromanage my entire party. I wish our control extended to the heroes too.

>>717045604
The Ferronises absolutely reek of cut content.
The concept art showed them being as large as Titans in XB2.

>>717045728
Nah, 7 is too much of a clusterfuck. 4 with character switching would be perfect.

>>717045820
Sounds like a skill issue to me

>>717045870
Sounds like you're a retard to me.

>>717045820
You say that as if anyone but Cross contributes ANYTHING

>>717045978
I meant in a hypothetical XC4, idiot

>>717045820
Sure, 4 would be fine if there were 4 cast members. It's the benching and being unable to use playstyles you unlock at the same time that gets annoying.

>>717046060
>benching and being unable to use playstyles
Never bothered me in XC1 or 2. Seems like a really autistic thing to complain about.
Every character in XC3 plays exactly the same anyways, aside from Noah after he gets L7.

>>717045598
1 peaks when Dickson shoots Shulk and then it's a slog through the Bionis' innards, 2 peaks when Rex talks to Addam and rescues Pneuma and then you have to climb te fucking tree while Amalthus and Torna do everything that matters, all of these games peak long before the actual ending.

>>717016635 (OP)
Whatever gets shit on by mentally ill schizos on /v/ is usually the best entry in the series. You start to notice the same bullshit "criticism" and spammed phrases over and over through the years by the same people. I also greatly enjoyed FE Engage, it's in my top 5 along with this game.

>>717046749
>Whatever gets shit on by mentally ill schizos on /v/ is usually the best entry in the series
Right, so XC2 is the best in the series.

Xenoblade 3 doesn’t really do a good job at making you care about the core cast even if they have actual dialogue during all the side quests instead of copy and pasted replies in 2. The game focuses on a full party of 6 right after chapter 1 and doesn’t give them enough time as it introduces other characters who take away from time that could’ve been used on the core cast. Noah and Mio get the most, Eunie gets some with her generational trauma, and the rest just kinda exist and I really couldn’t care about them at all. This isn’t to mention how the game really doesn’t have many emotional highs that 1 and 2 had. There’s a VERY high moment around the end of chapter 5 and the entirety of 6, but after that it drops off ridiculously hard.

>>717046793
It was, until 3 was released. The threads were exactly the same but now they've moved onto 3.

>>717046890
Nah, 2 still gets shit from mentally ill schizos, like this retard:
>>717016904
>>717017146
>>717024960

>>717046021
I brought that up because you are trying to use X as an example of ideal party size, when in reality X's party size could be 1 and not much would change.
Anon, please understand that I'm trying to make you refine your argument

>>717047057
Are you capable of thinking about hypotheticals? Or is your brain too underdeveloped?
A Xenoblade game with character switching and a 4 character battle party would be the best of both worlds. That's all I'm saying, you autistic faggot.

>>717047035
True, but it wouldn't be a xenoblade thread without 2 getting shit on as well on at some point

>>717047269
2 gets shit on the most.

>>717044308
>2 was an improvement on 1 in making most of the cast members relevant to the adventure they were on
Not gonna disagree that 1 dropped the ball on this a bit, mostly with Sharla, but was 2 really an improvement? I like her, but Morag was doing a whole lot of fucking nothing in 2, not to mention Brighid. Even when her own brother gets fucking blown up it turns into more Nia backstory teasing instead.

>>717047323
Not to mention Dromarch who stops existing after Nia’s reveal.

>>717047323
Morag is more relevant than Sena at least.

>>717016635 (OP)
oh boy another xenoblade tread that is only going to be 2 tard posting smut and 3 tards fighting about how 2 is worse than 3, can we get the xenoblade x treads back?

>>717047296
Definitely not compared to before. The moment the trailer for 3 was shown the schizos flipped and the "3 is woke and censored" narrative began. Before then 2 would get shit on to a level I haven't seen for any game on /v/, it still happens a bit but its nothing compared to that and the current 3 hate.

I enjoyed every Xenoblade game but I had the most fun with 3. I don’t care about what’s “good” all I know is that I had fun.

How will the shitposters derail threads once XC4 gets announced?

>>717047594
>derail threads
This thread started with OP shitting on XC3. Nothing is "derailed"

>>717047561
>3 is woke and censored
Oh please barely anyone says that shit anymore.

>>717047594
the female lead will not have tits the size of melons and will wear normal clothes and not look like a prostitute, so they will call the game woke and that xenoblade has fallen yada yada

>>717047594
Suddenly 3 was good and 4 is utter garbage. Screencap this

Best Xenoblade game.

The True Monado looks so cool.

>>717047764
*worst

>>717047692
>the female lead will not have tits the size of melons and will wear normal clothes
How do you know?

>>717047919
trust me

>>717047323
Well let's talk about it a little. Of the 1 cast Shulk and Melia get a lot of attention. Dunban and Fiora get some shine at specific parts but vanish in other parts. Fiora for the majority of the game. And Reyn, Sharla, and Riki barely exist on their own.

For 2 I'm going to count Pyra and Mythra as one character to be fair to the rest of the cast. So Rex, The Aegis, and Nia get a lot of attention. Poppi, Zeke, and Brighid get some shine at specific parts of the game. And Dromarch, Tora, Pandoria, and Morag barely exist on their own.

Now even though there's more names on 2's cast, 2 also has a bigger roster. So if we put it in ratios, 28% of 1's cast is actually important, 28% are proper side characters, and 43% do not matter. Conversely 30% of 2's cast genuinely matter. 30% are proper side characters. And 40% do not matter.

Huh. I guess the ratio is about the same. How about that

>>717047843
I'm not a fan of the True Monado. But the upgraded Monado is kino

>>717047764
So is it normal that I keep one person in Swordmaster so I always have access to Break?

>>717048335
Well I remembered thinking 2's cast was overall better. But no, it's about the same. I didn't expect to end up arguing against myself when I wrote it down

i tried xenoblade 2 but it was too clunky (specially coming from XDE) that i drop it at chapter 3, and for xenoblade 3 i just hasn’t had the time for it

>>717048498
2 is a game that's hard to talk about because I genuinely like it. But it takes so goddamn long to get to the fun shit that I can't argue against people who decide to drop it

>>717048430
2's cast is more dramatic and energetic. I like 1's for being a bit more mellow by comparison. 3's cast is probably my overall favorite but Shulk is my favorite character in the series.
I think X's cast isn't as bad as I remember it being after the DE either.

>>717048590
>3's cast is probably my overall favorite
Just say you're a huge Miofag, we all know you don't care about anyone else

>>717048583
i will wait to see if they either make a DE version for switch 2 that fix the map navigation and quests markers or just a switch 2 general version for more fps, because oh dear, you really notice that most of team was pull out to help with breath of the wild

>>717048692
Actually Mio is my least favorite of the 3 cast. She's not bad but there isn't much to her outside of the "I'm going to die a bit faster than everyone else" angle.

>>717048784
>Actually Mio is my least favorite of the 3 cast
I don't see how you could care about anyone else then.

>>717048758
>will wait to see if they either make a DE version for switch 2
They won't. They're might be a switch 2 version, but it won't be some drastic overhaul.

>>717048815
Ok Miofag.

>>717048590
Saved

Also I remember liking Rex as a character more while liking the premise of 1 more. I still can't forget how I felt getting to Gaur Plains for the first time and seeing Mechonis dominating the horizon

>>717016635 (OP)
I had this same issue too. I still don't really get it. People all call aspects of it boring, and I agree, but something about the overall experience still just feels off to me.

>>717048851
I'm not a Miofag, retard.

ye don't hafta shitpost about et ta get a xenoblayde free thred goin', yeh?

>>717048692
not that anon but Mio was so boring to me when I played the game, she doesn’t really have a personality besides “kind of nice” and being worried about her mortality, which doesn’t come up very much to begin with and obviously disappears after Eclipse. On the other hand, I was really blown away by how much I enjoyed Eunie. From the trailers I assumed she was gonna be a generic sassy member, and she definitely was sassy, but she had so much more depth to her personality than I thought and consistently had the best hero quest interactions.

>>717049102
Eunie doesn't even get to be in the spotlight, only Noah and Mio do.

>>717047725
Zelda moment.
And 3 always was good btw

>>717016635 (OP)
My only gripe with it: the ENTIRE content and experiences within Aionios, from inception to dissolution, literally mean nothing at all to the greater universe. The thousands/tens of thousands/millions/etc. of possible years that the souls of both Bionis and Alrest were stuck in that stagnated pocket dimension, were nothing but the blink of an eye in the real universe's time span. When the souls/the universe was finally free of the stasis, everyone just continued on as they were and who they were, the second before the stasis happened. If the souls remembered anything from their time being milled to shit in Aionios, it was like barely a half-remembered dream.

>>717047469
No, because X couldn’t be left to exist as its own thing and had to be lazily folded into 3 in a half-assed manner. So now just 3 continues to be the killer of cool and interesting universes for the sake of its message and streamlining everything into generic science-fiction humans again.

>>717049169
3 was always bad. And still will be bad after 4 comes out.

>>717049258
>the ENTIRE content and experiences within Aionios, from inception to dissolution, literally mean nothing at all to the greater universe
Yeah and your life has no meaning after you die.

>>717049161
She’s the first one (okay besides the player because that shit was kinda obvious) to figure out that they’re being reborn after they die, and she gets a good spotlight in the fights with D with how she overcomes her panic attacks from him killing her before. I’d say she gets about a middle-ground amount of spotlight, about Sena tier.

>>717049169
>muh lacrosse of smegma cycle
Maybe more people just don’t like it and have articulated why in countless threads, and you’re caught up on some shitposters

>>717049262
If you didn't see the game called CROSS, CROSSING OVER into the rest of the series it SHARES A TITLE WITH then that's your own fault nigga.
Christ, X was overflowing with references to 1 that can't be dismissed as fanservice. It was intentionally, obnoxiously in your face about how connected to 1 it was.

>>717049412
>She’s the first one (okay besides the player because that shit was kinda obvious) to figure out that they’re being reborn after they die,
They don't really do anything interesting with that

>>717049258
They literally re-created the Ares during that time period and probably introduced the Ghosts to their universe faster than intended. It's going to have far reaching consequences likely starting as soon as the next game.

>>717049328
Many people and events are immortalized in history. Not a single solitary "person" or deed from Aionios would be immortalized, ANYwhere.

Over possibly millions of years (relative)

>>717049614
It'll also makes most of the sidequests entirely pointless, since they'll just forget everything.

>>717016635 (OP)
Xenoblade as a whole is bad. Do you play other JRPGs? Blade is a step backward in most categories, especially when it comes to combat.

>>717049607
>implying any of 3's characters will be in the next game

>>717016635 (OP)
While I liked 3 and while I don't think it's bad, it's definitely the weakest of the trilogy. I think it's because it drags in between the emotional highlights while no development or plot really pays off until the end. The overall experience makes it hard to get through and now that rewarding after you have but if I recounted the story to you, cutting some fat maybe, you'd like the story. Still think some characters could use more development but what it has works. And this is a game that takes 50-100 hours to complete (depending on how much side content you do. As an aside I cannot imagine how long a completionist playthrough takes.)

>>717049614
And you will die accomplishing nothing and leaving no meaningful memories behind no matter how much of an obtuse ass you are.

>>717049461
>references that treat 1 like some folk legend of aeons long gone
>obviously they were going to just leave their new home behind and settle on 3’s epic crossover world
>this was totally planned in 2014 if you ignore all the stuff that got scrapped from X, repurposed into 3, and had to be rewritten into something else
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>field skills
>gacha bullshit
>annoying affinity charts to complete
I haven't played 3 yet bit please tell me this cancerous shit isn't in it.

>>717049865
No, no, and no.

>>717049461
by your logic the fact that each final fantasy share monster and summons should mean that all of them are connected and follow some multiverse bullshit, just because the game have references doesn’t mean that it has to be part of the same universe, X could have just been the the sci fi side of xenoblade much more focus one exploration, but it doesn’t matter ,they mixed the stories already an we are in this multi verse bullshit.

>>717049865
No but it has its own forms of tedium.

>>717049865
I put off 3 for the longest time because I hated all that shit in 2 as well. 3 fixes everything from 2, but introduces only one new problem: you'll never settle on a good class set-up for your party until endgame because it would be a waste of CP to leave someone on a mastered class.

>>717049978
>3 fixes everything from 2
Except has a much worse story and much worse characters.

>>717050003
better*

>>717050028
*worse

>>717049607
Oh boy, more subversion of that amazing united future the people of Bionis/Mechonis were told would happen in their world without Gods in their game 15 years ago, because now the wacky Space Jannies want revenge. Sounds fuckin’ great.

>>717050139
why do you even bother engaging in xenoblade threads if 2 is the only one you like?

>>717042442
Why are you making assumptions? I don't hate every aspect of XB3, but I do think it's an overall disappointing title.

>World is boring and bland due to narrative choices. For a genre like JRPGs, where visiting new villages/areas that are booming and full of life and culture, this is a huge sin.
>Villains in general are very boring and such. Especially coming from XB2
>Main protagonist and love interest are the most boring by far. The only thing that makes Noah and Mio interesting is that they're not the original and the originals are "the bad guys"
>The game reaches high-highs in Chapter 5, but after the peak, the game takes a complete nosedive and never recovers
>The entire final chapter was garbage
>Sena was not fleshed out at all

>>717050224
>clearly like 1 as shown in post
>accused of being 2fag
Seething so hard through the tears he can’t even read what he’s responding to

>>717050265
>where visiting new villages/areas that are booming and full of life and culture,
Oh you're THAT fag who hates 3 because there's no cities, towns and "cultures".
Even though that's the fucking point, the antagonist completely erased all of that from the face of the earth to keep the two worlds locked in an eternal worthless war.
Kind of like what you're encouraging, you cultureless swine.

>>717016635 (OP)
It peaks too early, too many reused elements from Gears, cast was arguably the worst.

>>717050265
>>Villains in general are very boring and such. >Especially coming from XB2
The game with Jin, Malos and Amalthus as probably the worst antagonists of any JRPG made, and you're trying to praise that? If all it takes for you to change your mind on an antagonist is to hamfist a shitty sobstory then you're the most easily manipulated retard in the world.

>>717050382
>"It's bad on purpose!!!"
hahahahahahahahahahah
3tards are so delusional

>>717050382
>It's boring because.... It just is, OKAY!

>>717050382
>the shittiness and counterintuitive world design to 40 years of vidya RPGs is the point, checkmate retard!
There are ways to design bleak, depressing worlds that aren’t boring shit you knuckle-dragger.

>>717050491
>If all it takes for you to change your mind on an antagonist is to hamfist a shitty sobstory
But enough about N.

Looks like the 2fag found THAT site so he can spam /v/ more aggressively. Xenoblade threads are dead. Abandon ship.

>>717050491
Let me guess, 3 had good villains, then?

>>717050554
Meds

>>717050554
THAT site is down right now.

>>717050554
>Xenoblade threads are dead. Abandon ship.
This thread literally started with OP shitting on 3. You're fucking insane.

>>717050630
/vg/ refugees don't read OPs, they just treat any thread with a Xenoblade image like it's their dead general

>>717050382
FFX is a bleak and depressing world. Spira's culture has been scoured from existence because of the big murder whale called Sin. In the absence of genuine hope, a false hope filled the gap aka the religion of Yevon. Which taught that Sin could one day be exorcized if everyone in the world were faithful and pious enough.

FFX also has themes of history being controlled because of an existential crisis. But the thing is that people still live in this world. Things still happen and every town has a story to tell. Besaid is primarily isolated and so it's population remains small and the people there are largely ignorant. Luca is one of the larger cities but it's never allowed to get too large. Bevelle is the largest city of all but the game makes a point to say that it only gets to be that way because the Crusaders do everything they can to distract Sin away from it. In a setting where the powers that be are doing everything they can to make sure things stay within a status quo, it's still allowed to have memorable places. 2 things can be true at once. You can come up with a theme that you want to explore. Just as it's also true that theme may not be suitable for a JRPG. If you think that's not true then look at the backlash of FF13 which wanted you to be on the run and ostracized from society which meant you couldn't explore any towns. Everyone fucking hated it.

>>717050948
The "you're just upset because 3 is depressing and bleak" and "3's world being devoid of interest and memorability helps with the themes, so it's actually good that it's ungodly shitty for a game you're expected to spend over 120 hours with to 100%" arguments are buttfuck retarded and show how few RPGs some of the Xenoblade fandom actually play, because it is by no fucking means a trendsetter in bleak, depressive, oppressive RPG worlds.

>>717051567
I think it would have been received a bit better if the colonies at least had different themes. Even if they took the Banjo Kazooie approach and kept the same colony themes for them but added different instruments based on which colony you were in would have made them feel better.

>>717051567
The thing is FFX directly confronts the idea of FFX being a world without hope

>Tidus: (Growls and sits) Man, I hope Yuna’s okay.
>Auron: Hm. She’s strong. She’ll make it.
>Tidus: She’ll make it? What, so she can die? Why is it…everything in Spira seems to revolve around people dying?
>Auron: Ahh, the spiral of death.
>Tidus: Huh?
>Auron: Summoners challenge the bringer of death, Sin, and die doing so. Guardians give their lives to protect their summoner. The fayth are the souls of the dead. Even the maesters of Yevon are unsent. Spira is full of death. Only Sin is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly.

You can have themes of desolation if you want but you have to remember that you still need to give players a reason to want to invest in this fictional world.

The biggest thing about it is that the game's entire setting relies wholesale on the previous entries in the series, but at the same time the game tries its very hardest to stand on its own feet and barely even acknowledge said previous entries besides a few easter eggs scattered about. It tries very hard to build this bleak world and setting, which in theory isn't at all a bad concept, it's actually very good, but it fails on some key parts.

For example, the different races inhabiting the world are extremely distinct, and at the same time, the races are exclusive to the two factions that have been at war for thousands(?) of years, yet there is NO racism? Speaking of the two factions, their presence in the world feels too shallow. The world has no existing cultures, only what essentially boils down to war camps strewn around. Even the faction capitals feels like nothing more than extentions of said war camps. Only City feels somewhat distinct, but it's also just ultimately a bleak place that isolates itself from the outside world.

>>717016635 (OP)
I think its the best numbered game overall. The weakest thing about the game is environmental design being bland and made of frankstein'd older levels with the color drained out, which I suppose is why a lot of people seem to dislike it since that's a major strength of the other games. But the bleak world is thematically correct and the actual structure where exploration rewards you with entirely new towns and classes and quest chains hidden all over the map is fundamentally a gigantic step forward for Xenoblade games IMO.

>>717050440
Cast is arguably the best. They have fantastic interactions and party dialogue for every thing that happens and they all get a bunch of sidequests dedicated to fleshing them out and interacting with the extended cast.

>>717054908
>the actual structure where exploration rewards you with entirely new towns
There's only 1 actual city. The rest are just shitty tent camps.

>>717055164
>They have fantastic interactions
What the hell does this even mean? Mio barely talks to anyone besides Noah and Sena. Eunie and Noah talk to each other like twice after the intro even though they're supposed to be childhood friends.
>they all get a bunch of sidequests dedicated to fleshing them
Only Noah and Mio get fleshed out and that's only done through the flashblacks of their previous lives.

>>717055164
>Cast is arguably the best
Nope.

>>717055167
Each shitty tent camp has its own dedicated sidequest chain with wildly different structures that all interconnect with each other as you advance stories and they start making friends with other shitty tent camps, culminating in every shitty tent camp you find joining you in the final battle.

>>717055291
>Literally the best character.

>>717055324
Don't care. None of the hero characters are interesting or endearing. Their quests are boring too. And of course the actual camps themselves are booooooring.
2 has the best cities in the series.

>>717055367
Retard.

this stupid shitpost thread is still going? Do not engage him.

>>717048784
this, Mio is a non character until she punched O&P, then goes back to being a non character.

>>717055498
She is a non-character, but her and Noah are still the only ones who get any time in the spotlight.
If you swapped Eunie, Lanz, Taion and Sena with Ethel, Zeon, Cammuravi and Alexandria, barely anything would change.

>>717055487
>this stupid shitpost thread is still going?
Yes, because some faggot keeps bumping it off page 10 multiple times
>>717028304
>>717033781
>>717034187
>>717034031

>>717048590
I like 1's cast the most, but most of them don't get to shine that much in the main story.

>>717055369
I feel like I'm having an aneurysm
>actual argument for video game mechanics
>"Well I dun like it so stuff it"

Is there any legitimate critic for the game and not a grifter?

>>717055806
>>actual argument
Lol. Lmao.

>>717016635 (OP)
the world and exploration was the biggest issue in this game.
because of the setting, most towns you went to looked like every other town because they all had to be colonies.
because there are a lot of colonies there isn't much depth to most of them so it's not fun to walk around and explore any of them.
the only time town exploration is fun is when you finally get to the city but there's still not that much depth
the things that they give you as an incentive to explore aren't that rewarding and there's so many of them that they lose their meaning after even exploring a little bit.
the side quests were great though, much better than 2

>>717055806
>grifter
Are you an actual normalfag? How is that anon getting money for shitting on XB3?

>>717056145
The City is just a poor man's NLA.

>>717056145
>the side quests were great though
What quests do you people even have in mind when saying this crap?

>>717056297
Fuck off redditard

>>717056184
He does it for free

Are you happy that you kept bumping this thread off page 10, retard? You enjoying your shitty thread?

>>717056295
i liked the stories
but if you don't like them then they're absolute trash with next to no gameplay avoid at all costs

>>717016792
>nothing about how bad the combat is
>ourboros combat is a joke
>chain attack everything
>overleveling so easy you have to NEVER take camp xp and turn off overkill bonus in chain attacks which is so fucking retarded
>on hard and did both those things and was still too easy
>can chain revive people with no penalty, other games took chain attack bar

>>717024475
the world was also a mess because every town was the exact same thing "oh we're dying cuz of the fire clock, thanks for killing the fire clock for us, we don't know how to live normal lives...".

>>717056519
They almost all have bosses with unique gimmicks at the end of them

>>717056646
>unique gimmicks
pffffft
Like what?

>>717056391
Most likely. Which would mean he's no a grifter. Only normalfags use it as a generic insult.

>>717036909
don't forget
>job system discourages specializing characters, instead you're constantly raising everyone in every class because you quickly run out of classes to level up otherwise.

>>717039442
Plot
2>1>X>3
Gameplay/Combat
X>2>1>3
Exploration
X>>>>>>>>>>>>>1/2/3

>>717016635 (OP)
>No traditional towns
>Generic job-system, worse than FF5's
>7 party members at the same time making the battles too chaotic
>Awful chain attack mechanic
>Worst OST of the main 3 games
>Worst world design
>Worst ending
>Worst villains
>Ruins the lore of the series
>Cast with no charisma including the main duo, all of them have the same backstory. Nia alone is more endearing than all of them
>More consistent but way more generic character design (Pyra and Mythra alone have 100x more fanart than the entirety of XC3)


6/10 at best.

>>717016635 (OP)
I don't think any of the four games is better than the other, they're just so markedly different at what they do that one or another is bound to be your favorite.
2 can be a miserable experience at times, the quality of life is abyssmal and half the story is filler, but it's also very charming from time to time.
3 is much more polished and functional, the story has highs and lows, and the focus is primarily on the characters and their relationships.

>>717057149
the villains also come across as "evil for no reason".

>>717057179
>the focus is primarily on Noah and Mio and their relationship.
FTFY

>>717057206
Yeah they're basically Power Rangers villains.

>>717057242
Not at all, 3 out of all four games has the most balanced focus on the entire main cast, the first game is the Shulk, Fiora and Melia show, the second is centered squarely on Rex, Pyra, Mythra and Nia, neither the extended casts of 1 and 2 get much focus outside of specific story beats like Gadolt's death or Zeke discovering that the Tantal royal family is a frau, X is even worse, if your name is not Elma, Lin or Al you don't even exist; 3 makes a point of steadily developing Eunie and Taion's relationship and Sena and Lanz's friendship, even if of course they don't get as much focus as Noah and Mio.

I use XC3 as my litmus test to decide if someone has a soul or not.

If someone plays XC3 and says stuff like "BEST PARTY MEMBERS IN ANY JRPG EVER!!!1!", i know i am talking with a philosophical zombie.

If someone plays XC3 and he is not impressed by the poor character writing, awful lore decisions, etc. i know i am talking with a conscious human being.

>>717057458
>3 makes a point of steadily developing Eunie and Taion's relationship and Sena and Lanz's friendship
Lmao no it does not.

>>717057206
Because they're not people. They're just embodiments of the things the game is arguing against and somehow people think it's great writing and not lazy.

Why can't we all get along?
What was your guys' favourite moment playing these peak games? Mine was hearing "Over the world We see all.the high walls, miles and miles fly across our skies" as NLA gets smaller below me

>>717058164
First fandom?

>>717056703
The job system could have been better if everyone got personal traits while not interlinked that made certain jobs better for them beyond miniscule stat differences.
>noah gets a flat increase to his talent art charge when in an attacker class
>eunie's ether stat increases during battle as she heals
>lanz gets faster art charge speed when aggroed
>mio gets a damage and aggro bonus as she avoids attacks
>taion gets extra art recharge when buffing allies
>sena gets a damage buff every time she inflicts a reaction on the opponent
It could be more than just one buff like I don't know the fucking skill charts from 1 and 2, something to give the characters an incentive to use certain classes but not necessary.

>>717058164
>1
The first time I walked into Gaur Plains

>2
The first time I used Pneuma in a chain attack

>3
Working on this game. For now I'll say I liked Eunie realizing she's been recycled

>X
Haven't played yet

>>717016635 (OP)
Same problem as Tales of Arise basically; they bait us that this game is the most mature and groundbreaking game of the series. In reality it's the most risk averse, streamlined game of the series.

https://youtu.be/1ZWJ_nfQmWA?si=60PGgk-RdrSfUsx9
Listen to this banger

>>717016635 (OP)
I wonder why they decided to add the "Chronicles" part to the titles in the west.

>>717060596
It sounds cooler

>>717060891
I guess "Fantasy" was already taken but I like the simplicity of just "Xenoblade".

>>717055806
You're replying to the dedicated schizo that LOATHES Xenoblade 3 like it raped his family.
He has no life but to sit here 24/7 replying to everyone that says anything positive about 3 with short posts and variations of
>No
>Wrong
>Retard
He also loves to No U and just copy and paste posts saying anything bad about 2 but change a couple of words like
>>717017146
>>717017295
Literal child behavior.
I wish /v/ had IDs.

>>717061454
why does xenoblade have so many schizos

>>717016635 (OP)
3 looks like it was made to please western game "journalists". That’s why they praise it. There’s a cat girl for trannies, bland characters and story, too serious. Only liberal lefties prefer it.
2 is based and is better on every aspect

>>717061454
Meds

>>717016635 (OP)
>Not really bad, but the weakest in the series?
That's my take on it. I don't think it's very bad at all, and honestly I like the characters and the gameplay. But it has a very weak main scenario and setting.

>>717061520
It's not just Xenoblade, it's like half the series on the board at this point.

>>717061527
trvthnvke

>>717016635 (OP)
It's my favorite in the series, even though the story sucks

>>717016635 (OP)
For me it's really just the setting. No towns and just a bunch of camps that look the same fucking sucks.

>>717061454
I enjoyed it even though it has been confirmed to be complete and utter garbage by the intellectuals on /v/ over the past years

>>717061527
>There’s a cat girl for trannies
This is the stupidest argument because literally nothing about Juniper says tranny, unlike fucking tits bird in the second game every 2gooner just blindly accepts despite being a million times more in your face than Juniper, for all means and purposes Juniper is a straight girl, she even gets two male love interests, and in fact 3 is "Marry & Reproduce: The Game" in its entirety, how you think that is designed to please journos eludes me.

2 is literally the only good game in the series
yes i love anime girls

>>717060596
It was the style at the time (unironically)

>>717062098
This is why nobody likes fucking Neptunia tourists shitting up the Xenoblade fandom, they saw a game full of tits and decided to infest an already established community with their gooner crap without a care for the actual franchise, and now they just bitch and whine about how 3 is simply a different genre just like 1 and X derailing every fucking conversation we want to have about actual story and lore and shit.

>>717062423
meds

>>717062043
Only Noah and Mio have a kid from the main party

>>717040918
>>717043163
The only two characters in the entirety of the series that I genuinely hate are Eulegenimos and Addam, they're simply irredeemable cunts

>>717062761
not Shania?

>>717062604
Actually, M and N do, the main party were Ouroboros'd too late in their lives to have kids, that doesn't change the fact that the very thematic core of the game is returning to the natural cycle of life, and the main characters are all deeply inspired to do so, that's the entire point of the little tour accross the City ending with a visit to the maternity ward.

>>717062783
Shania is part of the whole "This world is fucking ass cancer and forces everyone into narrow paths that lead them to misery" concept, Shania like Joran, Ethel, Cammuravi and pretty much everyone else who is driven to a desperate choice are a product of Z's bullshit, so it's kinda hard to hate them for it.

>>717062828
>M and N do
Yeah, they're Noah and Mio.
>the main characters are all deeply inspired to do so
Only Noah and Mio are, the rest don't matter.

>>717062885
>driven to a desperate choice
She tried to genocide an entire city which included innocent children and babies. No one forced her to do it, she chose to do so. She is certainly a much worse person than Addam lmao.

>>717062902
>>M and N do
>Yeah, they're Noah and Mio.
No, they're not, did you not understand the story? Noah and Mio split from N and M because the choice they made was so at odds with their true nature that it fractured their souls, M literally calls them their repentance, they exist to be what N and M were too weak to be.
>>the main characters are all deeply inspired to do so
Eunie and Taion's relationship is super blatant as are some secondary characters like Juniper and Kite or Ethel and Bolearis, they just don't understand what's happening because they were purposefully educated to be sexless war machines, Sena also gives a light indication that she's in love with Lanz when she calls him Lanzy at the end, and then cries when he says they can't work out together anymore, they're just autistic as fuck so they can't express it in a more natural way like Noah and Mio or Eunie and Taion.

>>717063046
>Eunie and Taion's relationship is super blatant as are some secondary characters like Juniper and Kite or Ethel and Bolearis
No it fucking isn't. You are so fucking full of shit. Noah and Mio are the only canon couple.

>>717063046
The game literally tells you that Noah and N are the same person. Noah even says he would've done the same things N did if his Mio had died.

>>717062937
Not that anon although I agree with them. Eulegenimos and Addam never fucking take responsibility for their bullshit, they just expect Rex to clean up their messes. I know Rex has to be the all-around good guy who forgives anyone but I don't know how at least Zeke didn't deck his ass the moment he nearly doomed Genbu and likely Alrest itself at the same time and his only response was to start mumbling about "I-I did it for muh p-people"

>>717062937
Not justifying it, just saying she felt cornered, her mom was a colossal cunt who only valued strength and constantly compared her to Titania, and her dad died before he could instill any degree of self-confidence in her, ass Ghondor being a passive-aggressive asshole and it's easy to see why she felt like her only exit was collaborating with Moebius so she could become a soldier, she was legit mindbroken, Addam was just a selfish asshole.

>>717063115
Nice to know you're still around, intentionally obtuse anon

>>717063181
>Eulegenimos and Addam never fucking take responsibility for their bullshit,
Neither does Shania.
>>717063182
>it's easy to see why she felt like her only exit was collaborating with Moebius
If she hated her mom so much then she should've just killed her mom.
Ghondor didn't do anything to Shania btw. You need to rewatch the story because you obviously don't remember it correctly.

>>717063115
Expecting Xenoblade of all things to literally spell shit out or "It's not canon" is the epitome of retardation, did you also miss the fact that the souls of the parties of 1 and 2 are in the swords because it wasn't spelled out?

>>717063231
Not an argument. None of them are in romantic relationships aside from Noah and Mio. The writers didn't have any intentions for Eunie and Taion or Ethel and Cammuravi to be romantic.

>>717063282
>Expecting Xenoblade of all things to literally spell shit out or "It's not canon"
That's literally what they did for Noah and Mio and all the other pairings in 1 and 2. Cope.
>did you also miss the fact that the souls of the parties of 1 and 2 are in the swords
Not even the other Japanese staff knew that Fiora's soul was in L7, stop acting like it was obvious.

>>717063268
>If she hated her mom so much then she should've just killed her mom.
She tried.
>Ghondor didn't do anything to Shania btw. You need to rewatch the story because you obviously don't remember it correctly.
Ghondor was trying to be supportive but she was too mentally unstable and psychotic to do so in an effective way, instead making Shania feel like shit over every little thing she tried to achieve, the only time Ghondor gave Shania any positive reinforcement was when she praised her drawing of Guernica, and by that point Shania was just too far gone for it to have any effect.

>>717063365
>She tried.
What? No she didn't. She tried to blow up the city. She should've just killed her mom, not a bunch of innocent kids and babies.
>Ghondor was trying to be supportive but she was too mentally unstable and psychotic
Lol you are being so fucking dramatic. What a retard

>>717063349
>Not even the other Japanese staff knew that Fiora's soul was in L7, stop acting like it was obvious.
Mio specifically says that everything in Origin, walls, floors and ceilings IS moebius, and later it is explained that moebius is made up of the raw emotions of the people trapped within the core crystals in Origin; later in the DLC Shulk and Riku talk at the lab and Riku very much implies that the rest of the 1 party is in the Monado REX, and in the final battle with Alpha the core of Pneuma and the small pieces of Malos' core are visible in the Fists of the End and N's Veiled Sword, you just need to add 2+2 if you're not retarded.

>>717063494
I also forgot, when Melia opens the painting and looks at the Monado REX she literally says "EVERYONE, thank you."

>>717016904
OHNONONO
DELET THIS NOW !!!

>>717024960
>>717062043
>>717062423
>using "gooner" unironically
I hope the next game has even more fanservice than XB2 and doubles down on Shonen tropes.

Just started XCDE, is Firoa really dead? Fucking hell

>>717063940
And who said I disliked the slutty designs and shonen tone of the game, you petty cunt?
I very much enjoy those things, I'm just not a porn addled Senran Kagura tourist who ONLY cares about that shit.

>>717063959
lol silly anon

>>717064193
>Firoa
I'm mongoloid. Anyway if she's dead I'll go back to XCX, I really wanted to see Shulk cum in her

>>717064486
You saw the blood anon, you heard the screams

>>717064716
Time to uninstall then

>>717064785
Seriously though just keep going

>>717064985
Okay daddy anon

3 is pretty good. It's not the absolute best xenoblade game but it is slightly better than the first one,which is already a 9/10. Xenoblade games are so good

>like all the trilogy
>Xfags keep telling me that X is the best game in the series
>bought XDE
>less coherent than XC3

I liked 3 more than 2, got kind of preachy near the end with its message but at least it didn't go full retard like 2.

Despite the slow start I ended up liking the XC3 characters and the gameplay way more by the end too. Story-wise I think 1 was still more solid.

>>717063959
It's the call to adventure. Something must kick-start the story.

Finished the DLC recently. It was a nice little explanation of the status in the city.

So Matthew's bloodline got browned? The heck happened to Shulk and Rex's buds (apart from the 2 queens) if they're apparently so far in the future that Colony 9 got mossed over? And now they went to become a P3 door?

>>717065353
Are you a retard?

>>717063181
The insanity about Eulegenimos is that he defaulted to fucking killing Pyra, so she can't be used as a weapon against Tantal, instead of just asking her for help and explaining that Amalthus can control Blades, so that they can actually do something about it.

>>717065595
I like 2 more because it's funnier and more lighthearted. Still love them both

>>717065915
And then after they fix his fuck up he's all "okay I sorta abdicated now I am just a jolly old man no hard feelings could you please go dig up my old toys even as the most precious person in the world to you and the only actual hope for the world is in the clutches of a pair of monstrous jackasses who could be doing anything to her, we're cool right"

>>717039760
I think that Torna still has the better system. Give me that in base Xeno 2 and you reach the peak of this franchise

Xenoblade 1 was the first. As JRPGs were struggling in the HD age it benefited from being competent and not weighed down by AAA insecurities the same way Final Fantasy never recovered from the tailspin XIII sent it into.
Xenoblade 2 smartly keeps the weight off the job of being a sequel up until its grand finale with the reveal of XC1's final battle happening in parallel. It also doesn't make it a grand revenge quest with a destroyed hometown like XC1. MC meets a mysterious girl and goes on a globetrotting adventure. Classic JRPG stuff. It keeps it breezy and fast-paced and that's why its cast had the most sticking power even outside of Pyra and Mythra being pornbait. The combat system is expanded with the blade system, defined enough to not get into the weeds, but has enough depth to be interesting for people to break it.

XC3 tries to do too much. Everything is designed around its six man team so it immediately introduces them all at once so everybody is immediately trying to vie for space and attention from the plot. It dumps the class system on you from damn near the outset but doesn't have enough variety at first to make all the switching worthwhile. Plot also basically throws all its shit at you at the starting line, complete with requisite Proper Noun spam, while XC1 and 2 at least let you find your footing and play around for a while before letting her rip with the big cosmic war at the heart of all things.

>>717066136
It's funnier and more lighthearted until it isn't, then again all three games have moments where it's like "what the fuck is wrong with whoever wrote this"

>>717066347
Yeah, it's surprising how much time Xeno 1 goes on with only Shulk and Reyn, and then in 2 you go pretty much half of the game just with Rex, Nia and Tora

>>717065807
Yes, I haven't able to finish XCX as well.

I don't know how anyone thinks a game with nothing but MMO auto combat and fetch quests is good, much less a whole series of such games.

>>717066607
Can I sniff your pussy?

>>717066665
No

>>717066347
Yeah, class system is too complicated and they didn't even try to integrate it to the main story, so it feels like an optional feature but it actually isn't. Compared to Poppi/Hana in XC2, where while the customization was so tedious, it was the true optional feature since you could just replace Tora with Morag.

>>717016635 (OP)
lost the soul 2 had

>>717066813
>it was the true optional feature since you could just replace Tora with Morag.
More like I perma-benched Zeke which felt kinda dirty but once you properly kit out and control Morag it's basically even more impossible to die than usual, hell I wasn't even controlling her in the final battle and she just casually dodged Malos' party wipe attack, then continued to dodge everything else while she strolled around and revived everyone

>>717067039
>tfw I killed Cloud Sea Ken at lv85

I felt like I somehow glitched or broke the game. As long as you keep a chain attack or lv4 on deck, Morag can't die.

>>717067039
It's okay. I am basic af that I played with the OG members, but I did customized Poppi to be the best tank ever.
I heard Rex-Zeke-Tora is the best combo though.

>>717066347
I disagree, I loved how basically the entire first half of 3 is built around making you the Player confused and uncomfortable as fuck, the atmosphere of the opening mission is oppressive as fuck. If anything I got way too into it, as I genuinely thought the Memorial Hall was a legitimate Red Herring. I spent way too much time in /xgg/ claiming it was total bullshit and irrelevant

>>717066270
Also he never actually apologized to Zeke for ostracizing him. Even though Eulegenimos did the same shit when he was Zeke's age

>>717066752
:( that's so mean

>>717067039
I feel like Zeke was just in a poor spot despite being solid at his job. It's hard to integrate him casually when most people would have settled on Rex/Nia/Morag, or Rex/Nia/Tora if they bother with Tora autism. It's hard to consciously give up Nia on passive healer duty even though Rex can handle the job for a well-kitted out party just fine with his basic Pyra/Mythra moveset and especially once he gets Nia as a blade with all the active and passive healing potential.

>>717067337
Mathematically yes but honestly if you're putting in the effort to hit the apex of XC2's combat potential, you've put in work to make any party work at that point.

>>717067580
The only thing I'll give him is that it feels like the implication was that he was basically letting Zeke live his life free of Tantal's bullshit but Zeke is entirely too good a dude to sit back and let his people suffer

>>717017656
>Story and writing drops off a sheer cliff for the last two chapters.
That's precisely what happened in the first one though.
By the end of that game, it's completely nonsensical because of how many stupid twists and turns it takes.

>>717018794
I hate localisers so much it's unreal.

>>717021198
Brilliant points you laid out there.

>>717023181
>Characters Completely one note and they barely change.
That's 99.9% of all japanese games and anime.
They focus on adding complexity to the plot (stupid twists and turns every 5 minutes) as a way of compensating.

>>717024014
>should of

>>717016635 (OP)
It pulls it's punches in a lot of ways. It's still a good game but XB2 just shows much more passion in the final product.

Also put it this way, Future redeemed carries XB3 much more than Torna carries XB2.

>>717068334
No. 1 continues to throw shit at you to the end even if you're welcome to argue that it doesn't deliver, 3's plot literally just fucking stops after you finally encounter Nia. X and Y are just there and then they aren't. You an sorta cobble together the headcanon that along with Z they're like the anti Trinity Processor but that's entirely on the player. Maybe I'm just pissed they're the only other place where Moebius Action Climax plays and by then you're likely to skip it entirely

I think nothing about xc3 pisses me off more than the fact that the queens were one big, gay red herring that meant absolutely fucking nothing and basically served no purpose.
There was really no reason for this game to be a crossover between worlds, AT ALL. It just felt like hollow memberberries.
Future connnected was at least honest in its crossover shit and was infinitely more enjoyable because of it

>>717069283
In a way the series peaked when the first TRAILER for 3 came out

I want SEX with MALOS

>>717061454
>>717061520
Cope.

4chan hates XC3 >>717069283 >>717069985

>>717061454
There is NO positive aspects of XC3. This is facts >>717016792

welp, it was a good thread anons

>>717024014
>>717068931
>>717069283
Lolz is there ANYTHING XC3 does right?????

>>717070342
>good thread
well shit
what is a bad thread then

>>717016792
This pic kills all XC3 likers kekkerz

>>717065352
>>717065595
Wrong. XC3 has no positive qualities. See >>717016792 >>717056553

>>717016635 (OP)
I think xenoblade 3 was good. The whole trilogy is good, actually.

>>717070276
>>717070316
>>717070359
>>717070406
>>717070443
>one minute apart

>>717016792
>>717056553
>>717068716
XC3 is the one video game in history to do literally NOTHING right lolzzzzzz!

>>717070460
It is not good. See >>717016792 >>717056553

>>717070526
I don't give a fuck what some /v/ contrarian thinks. I enjoyed it

>>717022816
>Chapter 13 of XCX proved that they're never moving on from "the adventures of Shulk + Rex and their families"
This. The series is dead to us and this confirms it.

>>717061454
>You're replying to the dedicated schizo that LOATHES Xenoblade 3 like it raped his family.
It's 4chan's most hated game of the 2020s. It deserves hate threads every 2 minutes.

>>717070579
Damage control

>>717070647
I don't remember taking that poll

>>717022816
>>717022264
Xenoblade is the most chopped series ever made lolz we are NEVER leaving the klaus saga

Shulk and Reyn

>>717022816
Yep. XB4 will just be XB3 again lmaooooo

Got all that hate out of your system?

>>717056703
Yeah there should've been a way to level up other jobs without switching your own
This is the main weakness of job based games in general

3haters always come across as shallow here. Always using buzzwords, memewords and basically having that attitide of "see, I am part of 4chan lololol".
Can't even discuss the game without them showing up.

>>717016635 (OP)
Much less fanservice. You can tell they were really sweaty about it. As a result, you barely get any fan art of 3.

are these games connected or is it just FF style no relation to the last game? i heard somewhere it's like that? where should i start, i'm looking to get into a new franchise that continues the story with multiple sequels, since i'm kinda fresh out of stories to get involved into rn

I like 3, XDE and DE. Will play 2DE When it comes out for the switch 2..

>>717071847
Technically they are all connected, but you can go in any order. Recommended to do it in numerical though. X whenever

>>717071887
I doubt there will be a 2DE. The main purpose of the DEs is to bring 1 and X on the same console as the rest. The QoL is pretty much a bonus.

Instead of Attacker-Healer-Defender, I think it would be an improvement if it was Attacker-Warrior(a balanced unit)-Defender. Basically, they are all the same unit, but Attacker and Defender have each a focus on offense and defense. You could give Defender healing to make them more involved with their teammates safety.

>>717067838
Welp, Zeke is only for high-ceiling players, I guess.
>t's hard to consciously give up Nia on passive healer duty even though Rex can handle the job for a well-kitted out party just fine with his basic Pyra/Mythra moveset and especially once he gets Nia as a blade with all the active and passive healing potential.
I can't heal by myself desu, it's hard to focus on both attacking enemies and healing teams at the same time.

>>717072130
Man, playing Rex in XC3FR was really fun. I was locked on to the gameplay the moment I could play as Rex.

>>717074765
I dunno, spamming one attack gets old.

>>717075040
I didn't spam that button that's why,

>>717075271
Yeah, but the tentation..... The couldown being rendered null.......

>>717071338
Are you happy now that you kept bumping this shitty thread off of page 10, retard? This is what you get. KYS.

>>717072703
no one cares

>>717016635 (OP)
>still the same dogshit threads as before
wow Xenoblade X was that forgettable?

>>717075405
Blame the retard who keeps bumping this thread off page 10.

>>717075405
Nah, its just 3 was that memorable so haters gotta hate.

>>717075442
Retard

>>717071887
2DE isn't happening retard.

Tbh, except for the headcanons being destroyed and people discovering the game for the first time, Xde only really has one chapter to talk about sonce the rest was already explored anyway.

>>717070342
No it fucking wasn't lmao. Kill yourself. Stop bumping shitty threads off of page 10

>>717070046
Faggot.

>>717066891
This

>>717065595
>ended up liking the XC3 characters
Why?

>>717070579
kys yuritroon

>>717065595
Yeah. The two final chapters were a let down, but it was great all of the way until chapter 5. In fact, it was probably building up for this moment alone.
I really like the gameplay too. I love the ouroboros especially and hope they'll get something similar for next time.
I actually feel like FR was weaker on the gameplay side. The levelling is way better and monsterpedia is a genius addition, but the actual combat kinda suffer.
Especially with the Ether offense of the playable cast. There was this UM dinosaur that had a lot of physical defense, but because your two main ether units are healers, it was kind of a drag.

>>717076209
>but it was great all of the way until chapter 5.
No, it was not.

>>717061520
No idea.

>>717039776
>Xenoblade 4. But with FF7 Remake/Rebirth style combat.
Fuck no.

>>717016635 (OP)
Will always enjoy how this game causes /v/aggots to go full trigglypuff whenever mentioned

This make schizos mad.

>>717048590
DE let you actually fucking use other characters.

>>717078304
What, X didn't let you play other characters?

>>717080232
it did, but Cross is so strong there isn't much point outside very early game cheese such as Elma's Shadowrunner before Cross has it, Doug's higher starting level for punching a little above your weigh, or Irina for Servant Sacrifice if you want to power level

>>717072703
This is basically what X did

>>717080436
And what does DE do about it?
>>717080453
I really need to get around this game.

>>717080232
The quest system forced you to use certain characters for most of the story quests and mostof the affinity quests which really fucked up the flow of the game as you had to keep menu hopping and switching out characters that you wanted to raise affinity with. The DE does away with most of these requirements save a few of the story quests where the plot relies on certain characters giving the game much more freedom to mix and match your party.

>>717080620
>And what does DE do about it?
Nothing. I have no idea what the other guy is on about.
probably another instance of
>wow, XB1 DE has sooo much quality of life in it
when most of that was in the original game

>>717050382

I'll never understand why people fall back on the "YOU'RE the one that doesn't get it, it's ACTUALLY BAD on PURPOSE" shit.

Why would you even admit that?

>>717080926
The original game didn't let you change party members in a menu, you had to go seek them out in NLA to add them to your team. That alone is a huge change that makes using other party members not a pain.

>>717050382
They are mad because you are correct. And technically, there ARE cultures forming in colonies anyway.

>>717081291
>theres shit on the floor
>youre right to point out that someones taken a shit on the floor
>everyone else is "mad" for pointing it out
>i for one enjoy eating shit of the floor

>>717081347
Good morning
Xenoblade 2 is best game in serie indeed yes

>>717081347
>An entire generation is instrumentalized to keep fighting an endless war to the point they don't know what babies, cities and cultures are.
>"WTF, why do you have a story?".

1 and 2 had much more interesting worlds. They had the chance to really go apeshit with the world design in 3 by really leaning into the fusion aspect, but they played it too safe. The soundtrack was pretty weak as well, outside of a few standout pieces.

>>717081598
Translation : WHAAAAAA, WHY ISN'T 3 LIKE 1 OR 2????

>>717080232
Main content glued Elma and Lyn to you at all times, and the points needed for affinity scenes were WAY higher, and inactive party members got 0 EXP. It was a struggle to use more than two optional characters, let alone the whole squad.

>>717080926
>XB1 DE
We're talking about X. Can't even keep up with which games you're shitposting about.

>>717081347
kek

>>717050382
>>717081291
Samefag

>>717080620
>What does DE do about it?

*Can swap party members anywhere, not just at a specific terminal in NLA.
*Story missions no longer lock the #2 and #3 slot to specific characters.
*Inactive party members gain EXP, so they don't become worthless halfway in.
*Affinity point requirements are dramatically lowered. It goes from you naturally maybe getting a couple level 1 affinity scenes across a whole playthrough to being able to complete like 5 characters organically. Massive improvement without trivializing the system.

X DE is a huge upgrade. My only gripes are that they didn't implement 1DE's level down option and that they gutted the systems that made getting the DOLLs taken a really long time. The buildup and tests made it pay off really well.

>>717057615
It 100% does you discord troon

>>717016635 (OP)
>Starting a weekend tittybooba thread with a title image
Surprised the thread survived.

>>717082079
Lmao

>>717082121
Nope.

>>717085963
I love the vagina that she canon has.

>bump limit
That one poster who kept seething at this thread getting bumped got btfo

>>717075405
is a game that came out 10 years ago and the new content basically destroyed the lore, there is nothing new to discus about it.

>>717087270
>we pushed a trash thread to 500!!!!!
kys

>>717082121
Noah and Mio are the only canon couple

>>717088026
All of those hours wasted on telling people not to post in this thread...for nothing

>>717088128
You kept up a thread that's shitting on a game you supposedly like. Well done retard.

>>717082121
When?