He's right.

>>717101785 (OP)
pretty bizarre to get into an industry where you specifically hate the audience of said industry
why not get a different job

>>717101785 (OP)
Journos are gamedevs

I feel like the artist could've squeezed some more words into the comic.

>>717101929
Money. Also every industry has people who say this stuff privately but never publicly. Game developers are basically alone in shitting on their clients and expecting praise for it. Most of the time they just laugh behind your back.

Level designer seems fair. Concept-Artist I guess, in the same vain as some obnoxious cunt with a PhD in finger painting being technically correct when referring to themselves as a doctor. But community manager? What the fuck do they do?

Im not reading this

>>717101785 (OP)
I don't get it.

>>717101785 (OP)
It's so fucking funny that it's the concept artist doing these lol

>>717101929
they saw evil chuds like games so they infiltrated the industry to destroy. now that they successfully did it, they just stopped working. look whats happening nowadays with shit like everwilds, perfect dark, black panther and more, they all had to be cancelled because the devs were just pretending to work on it for years

>>717101785 (OP)
even XKCD puts more effort into the presentation of his "comic"

>>717102085
PR but talking to plebes instead of sending out PR talking points

>>717101785 (OP)
Why is the bespectacled pissmob on the bottom wearing a hijab like a smug retard who choses ideologies by weekly lottery?

>>717101785 (OP)
>community managers are game devs
lmao i don't even think community managers are delusional enough to believe this

>>717101929
They're narcissists who got into a creative field not with the intention to create but with the intention to garner attention and "authority" they can soapbox with. Game industry is just an easy place to socially manipulate yourself up the ladder.

>>717101785 (OP)
Interesting strawman, however, community managers are not gamedevs. Trying to put people that actually contribute to development in with them was sneaky.

if a community manager is a game dev, the community are game devs.

>>717101785 (OP)
Yeah when I sweeped the floors at Siemens I also called myself an engineer, obviously

>>717101785 (OP)
>jobs have titles
>guy makes an entire comic to state he's too retarded to understand what job titles are and what they mean

>community manager
not a game dev

Imagine a comic making you seethe so much you feel compelled to draw a retort comic.

>>717101785 (OP)
I wouldn't even call the concept artist a game dev. If your art isn't in the game, you're not part of the game. If your contribution isn't in the game, you're not part of the game. Voice actors have more of a claim of being a game dev than concept artists and community managers.

community managers are not gamedevs no matter how hard you cope

>>717101785 (OP)
>Concept-designer
>I'm a game dev
How about.
>I'm a game concept designer

deeply dishonest to pretend when people talk about game developers that they're referring to community managers.
that's like the secretary answering phones at a law office claiming to be a lawyer or the receptionist at my dentist's office saying she's a dentist.

you work in game development as a field but aren't a fucking game developer. not everyone who works in a law firm is a lawyer, either.

>>717101785 (OP)
This is true, though. The receptionist for the lab at berkeley during the manhattan project helped to create the atomic bomb. she is death, the destroyer of worlds.

>>717101785 (OP)
>>717102417
If a community manager is a gamedev, then the company CEO and lawyers are gamedevs. The previous sentence would have the guy looking like the "gamer" here btw even though it is 100% consistent with his views.

>>717102027
Don't they get paid like shit?

>>717101785 (OP)
These kinds of people think the people who clean the toilets at the office are game devs but not the people who pay their salaries. >>71710

>>717102634
Answer your own phones and set your own appointments, see how that works out when you're trying to do work

>>717102532
This guy is a failed Redditor (look it up I'm serious) who never learned the difference between good and negative attention as a child, many such cases

>>717101785 (OP)
>do you agree a level designer is a gamedev?
>yes
>what about a concept artist?
>... (no)
>and a community manager?
>no
>but you agreed the level designer is, and they work at the same company, which makes the game, so why aren't they?
>BECAUSE I AM SILLY AND WRONG, HERP DERP I HAVE BAD OPINIONS THE AUTHOR DISAGREES WITH
Level designer is black, concept artist is a numale, community manager is a white female muslim, gamer is a skinhead. Weirdly only the black has a normal nose, the rest have pig noses and only the whites have a disability (eyesight).

This is multiple motte-and-bailey arguments in one go, to the point where I'd say the artist needs to step off twitter for a minute and work on his skills because his drawing looks like shit.

>>717101929
Video game, cartoon, and comic industries are run by out of touch boomer CEOs who hire and promote politically motivated activist types because they trust those people when they tell the CEOs that this is what young people are into today.

>>717102813
>People keep calling me while I'm golfing in Sri Lanka, I can't handle this I need to hire help

Quality Assurance is the bridge between devs and audience and i wish more people gave a fuck about the mental and physical toll QA actually endures
>other devs arent held accountable
>game full of problems that dont get fixed
>audience blames QA for it when its really not our fault and we probably flagged most of the issues anyway
>horrible work hours
>lazy QA fail upward or get rotated out and replaced with dumber ones
>good QA becomes jaded and hate games or unicorns that companies refuse to let go of
>eventually the gap widens so hard that the programmers and other devs are dependent on QA too much
my first 2 years of work were brutal and i remember pulling several 2 day shifts without sleep or naps just to make sure we hit a fucking deadline we shouldnt have been getting that backed up on to begin with, only for the main programmer to start pushing code without checking it first and the main menu couldnt even be reached without a fatal error and you expect me to tell you whats wrong still? bitch load the fucking game up for 5 seconds and youll figure it out just like i will but no you want to spend a week wasting everyones time asking why i havent sent in new bug reports on that build

some of my favorite shitposts about QA are real because our scopes and what we put up with are so fucked and horribly structured that basic functionality can slip through to the player. i once worked on a game that crashed on new game start if you didnt have the DLC installed, and this somehow also got past nintendo AND sony submission processes. what the fuck man

>>717101929
Feedbophobic narcissists that can’t accept that they did a bad job and have to say that it’s everyone else who is wrong. These same people will put themselves into an echo chamber of constant validation and only the most tame and filtered critique.

>>717102502

>>717102970
I think the level designer is supposed to be an indian, and the concept artist is a self insert of the comic artist.

>>717102704
I hope so

>>717101785 (OP)
>community manager
>game dev
By this logic nurses are doctors and coffee girls at lawfirms are lawyers. Flight attendants are pilots too.
Who the hell actually thinks like this?

>>717103213
>>717102502
I'm a fucking idiot, I thought that was supposed to be a knight with a mustache

isn't the author of this crap working at a shovelware studio?

>>717103324
redditors

>>717103154
I always assumed you guys are the messenger everyone shoots

>>717103343
that would've been preferred over some muslim bitch.

>>717103154
I’m sorry to hear that dude, that’s really fucked up. Is there anything you think could be done better or what do you think should be done in regards to how devs work with QA?

>>717103383
His last "game" that he "worked on" (aka drew some concept art unused in the final version) was some bad 40k game that came out in 2019

>>717101785 (OP)
>community manager
>game dev

so words just mean nothing anymore huh?

i once saw some thot online say she "worked" on sea of thieves, and when i looked up what she actually did it turned out she was the fucking community manager. how do you not feel like a fucking fraud for saying that shit? it's a glorified moderator position, you get paid to step in when people get into slapfights about balance or politics.

>>717102349
Oh I know what they do, I meant what do they do in the context of development. Someone working HR for an engineering firm doesn't say they're an engineer.

>>717101785 (OP)
>I lease out office spaces at exorbitant prices in California, and some people make games in them
>I'm a gamedev!
>I sent fanart to a game studio and they put it on their website one time
>I'm a gamedev!
>I'm a community production assistant to the manager's organizational productive line in charge of diversity in the HR space of a company that makes videogames sometimes
>I'm a gamedev!

>>717101785 (OP)
Why does he draw everyone's pelvis like that? Like they are wearing diapers or something.

>>717101929
They're the bottom left. They got the job so they can police the audience.

>>717101929
Most creatives in any industry that have to engage with their audience inevitably hate them. That's why the ones who are happiest often barely interact with their fans (or have same spiteful streak towards something and use fans as enablers).
Read some of the essays in Essential Ellison, primarily Xenogenesis. If that's too much, watch/read the genrefiction slop, Misery.

>>717103154
>>other devs arent held accountable
Since when? Whenever a game is full of bugs "the developers" are blamed. By which the average user means everyone except QA because they generally don't remember you exist. They probably think of "designers" and "coders" when they say "developers".

>>717102532
Sounds about right. Game writers have a very low bar.

>>717103343
Fucking same, it always reminds me of Sportaucus.

>>717103513
>I built the office
>I delivered pizza
>I repaired the car a useless manager's drives to work

>>717102532

>>717101785 (OP)
>concept artist
Debatable. If the guy is in-house and has a say in the process of making the final model/sprite, then I'd say he counts as a game dev. If he was just comissioned for art based on a description, then no, he's just an artist.
>level designer
Games have levels, designing them is part of the process of game development.
>"community manager"
A PR guy is not a game dev.

>>717103405
youre not wrong but we're also in the zone where anyone above us can disregard whatever we say for any reason really. i could tell you the game wont pass submission even with 17 waivers and they'd try to submit it anyway then be mad when it fails to pass.
the ceo of the publisher i worked at once came up to me to ask if we should cancel the switch port of one title we had been working on and my immediate reply is "why are you asking me instead of the several producers on this project", which under normal circumstances really shouldnt be asked to a fucking ceo, but he told me "because youre the only one who actually knows how bad of a state its in" and man that was quite a bad time. nice of him to be honest and forward but jesus christ man
i told him 3 specific bugs stopping us from shipping, and if we can fix those we can ship it, even if its not the best port. i had this prior goal of never letting any project i touch be cancelled and i wanted to commit to it. it worked out in the end, even ran better than our ps4 port, but thats how dire things can get sometimes.

>>717103457
i dont know because the problem changes based on what company youre at and who is or isnt calling the shots. i got lucky and had a ceo that listened with everyone between us making shit harder, or lying, or not disclosing full problems, so the ceo trusted my word a lot more than his own advisors, but that is profoundly rare. sometimes there is no way to solve the problem without a full company reset, and even then it might just form a new problem anyway

>>717103571
depends on the company and who's in charge. i got blamed for our game not performing up to par when i spent several months flagging all the performance issues in all the spots i could think of, per platform, and even pointed out a few solutions that wouldnt break shit, and they opted to ignore it all. it really depends on who is or isnt working there, and who will hold them accountable

>>717103154
you are paid to play video games shut the fuck up

At that fucking point might as well include the Bob the security guy but FUCK those people who if it weren't for them we would be jobless,fuck them to hell and everything they love

Only two people are game developers: The project lead, and solo indie devs who do everything themselves.

>>717101785 (OP)
I don´t have a problem saying concept artists or level designers are game developers. But I don´t think of job titles as badges of honor that must be defended. But there is no way you can credibly call a community manager a game developer. It almost feels like that is the claim the one who made the comic is trying to defend and they tossed artist and level designer in alongside it to make it look better in comparison.

>>717103924
Fuck man, and it was probably all for some random farming sim that sold a lifetime 2000 copies on Switch

>>717102532
Top left isnt true anymore.
The problem is that if you are really good at programming, you can make much more money under better working conditions in any other industry.
Similarly with writers. If you are any good at writing, you would write a novel.
What are the biggest issues with modern gaming? Poor performance and bad writing

>>717103924
>depends on the company and who's in charge.
I'm talking about the players, not the retarded suits which are, as usual, retarded. What they say is the thing that matters at least as long as they're doing it loudly enough. Otherwise it's down to corporate shit where whoever is the easiest to put the blame on gets blamed, yeah.

>>717103879
>This is all paid for with your tax money
Do retards actually believe that?

>>717102885
He'd feel right at home here on /v/

>>717104048
Didn't Emily Youcis find Jesus and marry some fat guy

>>717104034
They don't. They are paid to monotonously break partially complete versions of games, which they end up hating eventually.

>>717101785 (OP)

>>717102341
XKCD is still a faggot

>>717103487
>so words just mean nothing anymore huh?
>i once saw some thot online say she "worked" on sea of thieves, and when i looked up...
Politicians do this all the time.
It's more noticeable in the tech sector because, like you found out, they're integrated with the internet and how work is credited.

>>717104165
Whoa... Though to be fair modern writings awful everywhere. Books, TV, film.

>>717104256
I dunno about the US but Canadian and European studios are not only given tax breaks but are paid to exist.
Rockstar (UK) was infamous around the time gambling in gaming was made a political issue because of how much tax money they never had to pay despite being an incredibly successful company.

>>717101785 (OP)

>>717101785 (OP)
>concept artists
>can't draw worth shit
Maybe that's why he can't catch a break.

>>717101785 (OP)
what is a real game dev, though? real answers only, no bullshit answers.

>>717102532
what about all the games out there with great stories? so despite all those, being a writer doesn't count?

>>717104645
Anybody who makes the stuff themselves and not just coordinates the people who make the stuff. So idea guys, narrative designers, managers and producers are out by default. The jury is still out on level designers and concept artists. Coders, animators, texture and model artists are definitely developers. All of them are designers but not developers.

>>717104645
Someone who did work that contributed directly to a game.

>2d artist
>3d artist
>concept artist
>coder
>director
>producer
Game devs.

>community manager
>qa/play testers
>marketers
Not game devs.

And I want to stress this isn't a "kool kids klub" where your job isn't important if you aren't a game dev. But words have fucking meanings.

>>717104034
im paid to check the work of artists, musicians, programmers, producers, marketing getting their shit right sometimes (contract obligations usually), occasionally the build configurations, and any fuckups in-between departments, in addition to the game itself. i dont play games i contemplate eating a bullet

>>717104161
it was also a year after release of the other platform releases and came with extra contractual obligations that we fucked up on too. we had some exclusive language options for physical only in one region but accidentally shipped it to all regions and storefronts and had to make up for it, which again, another issue i flagged, but contract details werent told to me even though i knew about the details thanks to the ceo. it sold fine to not cause a loss or break even, just enough to get some green but nothing great

>>717104191
>I'm talking about the players
theres 2 ways you can do this, maybe 3
1) have them actually try to QA something for real, not some open beta shit. open beta/closed beta is already done and past submission they just want to make sure its stable in prep for launch usually. have thes epeople play something actually unfinished and write formal bug reports, and have them graded on the bug report itself
2) have companies be more open and show more of the fucked up shit QA does to ensure your game doesnt crash because you talked to an NPC or something. the amount of shit that goes wrong in a game is insane. i once found a bug where killing a certain unit completely breaks your ability to pause and even today i still have no idea how one of those influences the other. that bug is still unfixed to my knowledge. making NDAs more relaxed and showing stuff could be helpful but that opens up way too many legal issues
3) stop giving community managers so much fucking leverage over the game for some reason i have no idea why this happens so much

>>717102542
>than concept artists and community managers.
You could drop having a community manager and most games would be OK unless it's something massive like Warframe. You can't start from scratch without a concept artist to help dial in a constant theme.
You can argue that doesn't make them a game Dev in title but they are still important enough to say they where on the Dev team. More so if the game has live service updates. Again, look at Warframe or Overwatch. They need concept artist on team to keep the over all look the same for years for all the up dates.

>>717104489

>>717101785 (OP)
No, community manager is not gamedev and has nothing to do with videogames.

>>717101785 (OP)

>>717104645
Someone who works for video games. The argument presented in the comic is imaginary and exaggerates the topic far out of proportion to show the author as someone who is wrongfully persecuted.

>>717102532
yeah

>>717104489
This is how people act IRL now, life imitates art.

>>717104943
>the amount of shit that goes wrong in a game is insane
I watched the bug reel for TOTK during their GDC talk and goddamn, I don't envy the testers for that game. Mind you I've thought testers get treated way too shittily since I read the EA spouse blog as a kid (if any of you remember that shit, it was like 20 years ago) but sadly that's just how the industry works and they're too fucking stubborn to change anything, even if it's crumbling.

>>717105229
The Greeks used to be so cool, what happened?

>>717104645
As the comic says, someone who can make flappy bird in unity.
More sincerely a boardgame creator as he usually has to put the concept together himself and publish it in a way that its success matters to him. A video game dev isn't a real thing once you step away from "solo dev" as you just have corporate entities who compartmentalise roles in a way that, collectively, they're a game dev, but none of them individually could make a game.

>>717105385
history tends to leave out the cringeworthy parts

>>717105310
>that's just how the industry works and they're too fucking stubborn to change anything
They're in for a fucking enormous wakeup call once zoomers start taking on positions en masse. The legal and advertising fields are already experiencing this, zoomers want to work less and make more than ever. End result is that less work gets done. That's the brave new world we are entering, Anon

>>717105035
>that third panel
I gotta give it to him, having to arrange art for all these different platforms in different resolutions in different ratios is a giant fucking pain. Nintendo needs art for all three regions and they all have different rules, what the fuck dude.

>>717101785 (OP)
The community manager is definitely not a game dev. It’s a retard that can take a game by antagonizing the player base

>>717101785 (OP)
What game has this artist faggot worked on?

>>717105035
All of this happens but it comes with "we'll give you an extra week" or "here's another flat fee to cover costs" or you don't work with these people again.

>>717105035
>hey what if I don't ask what they need before I start my work?
>wait, why is the scope changing in reasonable ways I could have foreseen? I AM ANGREE!

>>717104256
are you dumber than a retard?

>worked as a programmer in a game studio
>actual game dev
>not allowed to make any decisions, nobody gave a shit what I thought, just a stupid code monkey

>>717104943
ran out of space but heres another thing to consider
the game im working on probably isnt up my alley. i have to keep in mind the game may not be for me or my taste, and being able to factor that in is fucking hard.
i hate rpgs, but if im assigned to an rpg i have to do my job as if im someone that likes rpgs, and that in itself is a skill i rarely see talked about in any field. if i was told to work on a game like animal crossing id ask to swap to a different project, but theyd probably say no anyway. whatever i say or report as an issue could drastically change the game and drive it off a cliff and now youve made an rpg that rpg players hate. i cant let my own personal interest or taste alter the direction UNLESS it is to prevent it from going off that aformentioned cliff.

>>717105310
i recommend this one for cyberpunk on the merit that they internally put this reel together and it was found in their breach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dl1s-E3SKs
the fact rhey were able to ship the game at all is astounding, even if it was missing half the shit it was promised simply because of how much wrong there was.

then theres other issues that players dont see like server issues where "uh oh we really fucked up our expectations and calculations and we need 10 times more servers" which a recent example can be seen of from riot https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/the-tech-behind-swarm even though this mode is long gone and done they finally made a writeup about it. and dont even get me started on the ratings boards and appeasing those shitheads

>>717101785 (OP)
>Community manager is a game dev
Level designer and concept artist sure, but community manager? What crack are you smoking?

>>717105385
more than a thousand years of being someone's bottom bitch

>>717101785 (OP)
>community manager
Is this another nonjob for neponiggers/dei hires or something?

>>717105754
>and dont even get me started on the ratings boards and appeasing those shitheads
Oh yeah, I've had to deal with those assholes too. God, I love making games but everything involving releasing a game is a giant pain in the fucking ass.

>>717105794
Not even metaphorically, they sent their sons to be prostitutes for the elite soldiers. And then the first time they were independent and united they had a German rule them. KWAB.

>>717105229
he's right,it's a bizarre tradition at this point to simulate the tabletop

>>717101785 (OP)
If one of these three people did not exist, the game would still be made. That's the one that isn't a game dev.

>>717101785 (OP)
>remove programmer

good luck making a videogame, bro.

>>717106047
And turn based RPGs are a bizarre tradition because of the limitations of 1980s technology by the same token. It's called a stylistic choice.

>>717104478
Touche. Been a while since I heard the 2 more weeks blackrock obsessed poltards who thought QAnon funded all gays in videogames. Always the Dumbest poorest least educated Anons, like this clown who didnt have a point like you >>717105647.

>>717102532
That artist is a good goy. I respected him but not anymore (like Juden Peterstein).

He can give all his money to Israel if he wants.

>>717105901
the only reason you need to deal with the ratings board is because sony/nintendo/microsoft/atari/apple/google/etc wont let you ship your game to their platform without a proper rating given from the boards. i understand why theyre here and do this but the fact GTAV is only an M rating when it justifiably entered AO and then some is stupid because i cant even get past E10+ if cleavage shows up enough

and again as QA somehow this is my responsibility to catalog instances where issues could arise that the boards would penalize us for. and that's not even factoring in the different standards, or languages in each game too where "uh oh we said "stick" in the wrong portuguese, we used brazil's instead of portugal's and now SCEE fails our submission" kind of stupid shit.
everything im bitching about is also arguably violating my NDAs too which is yet another part of the problem

>>717104165
>If you were good at writing, you would write a novel

Unless you’re a man, in which case the publishing industry will go out of its way to never get your works to shelves because of just that one reason. Publishing is almost totally controlled by women, to such an extent that the most depraved female gooner porn can make it to shelves.

>>717101785 (OP)

>>717106206
just say yes next time nigger

>I
>AM
>SILLY!!!!!
How do artists never get over this retarded trope?

>>717104978
Community managers are pretty much the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen out of this industry. They're on the burn-for-fuel level of an Ideas Guy, but they're not even connected to the development, just social media gofers. Fuck off and post an advertisement tweet for the week or whatever the quota is. I know you mentioned Warframe as an exception, but Reb is a goddamn SSR holofoil unicorn with the way she actually played and was in any way knowledgeable enough about the game to rise through the ranks and become part of the dev staff.

>>717106289
Eh nobody cares, I bitch about this shit on /v/ all the time and nobody knows who I am so what are they gonna do? One time Nintendo rejected our game for saying Press Start instead of Plus, another time we got an AO for showing a smoking character in most regions. It's such a fucking pain in the ass even though it doesn't matter at all.

>>717106328
Game dev in 1990s
>so I made a 3d render engine that works without a video card completely in assembly

Game dev in 2025
>uwu unreal did 99% of the work for me but I can't figure out what this "file not found" error means *sob*

>>717101785 (OP)
Is the fucking janitor also a gamedev? Is the fucking catering company you got for taco tuesday at the office also all gamedevs too?

Are the guys who run babysit the server that you rent from amazon also gamedevs too?

>>717106047
>>717106132
I reject the notion that RPG game mechanics should only exist to be a compromise for older platforms that can't handle action combat reliably. Turn based combat and dice rolls create a different kind of gameplay which action games do not, and they go beyond a niche appeal. To say otherwise is akin to saying that strategy is boring and worthless.

>>717104943
>stop giving community managers so much fucking leverage over the game for some reason
It's probably seen as the branch of QA that is most closely connected to the players and thus most important, but when asked to address any complaints they see gagging the complainers as a viable option

This goes even further with open betas, as rather than hire actual QA as you said, they recruit unwitting players as "the players know best", but even if you widen the pool to catch actual interested testers, they're shut down as "only a few people are complaining so it must not be a big deal"

>>717106597
people who say it's a hardware limitation is retarded. we had shit like crystalis and rygar just fine

>>717106328
doesn't he just like, draw?

>>717101929
Why are you identifying yourself with the dude in the bottom right?

>>717106421
They can't see themselves in the mirror for the size of the clown nose they wear.

>>717106773
this is the videogame board

If the community manager is a gamedev then the janitor is a gamedev.

>>717106557
I'd say that's not far off from what Ubisoft thinks, if you've suffered through the full credits of any game they've shipped in the last 20 years.

>>717106486
some companies care, i speak from experience for bitching a little too hard in the past and having to deal with the repercussions of it. i think ive bitched enough though

>>717106609
i think my biggest problem with community managers is they seem to influence the game based off personal interests or pushing the most socially circlejerking community members. we once added some featues because 5 really persistent community members got buddy buddy with the CM and rather than stop that shit in its tracks they went forward with it and the wider community said "what the fuck is this shit why would you make this shit". speak up and call this out ahead of time and you might lose your job. stay silent and your company gets hit hard enough to risk losing your job anyway due to loss of revenue, while the CM sits comfortably.
i dont have all the answers, but i do know that this scenario should never happen. what i am happy to see though is when the reviews come in and the very things i said are reinforced and we act on it, and the game improves. social standing being higher than actual game should fuck off

>>717101785 (OP)
Level designer, modeler and programmer are gamedevs
Concept artist is a CONCEPT artist
this is the equivalent of a person drawing a picture of a soup telling the world he's kitchen staff
Community manager is a nobody, all they do is try to manage positive PR and perhaps coordinate some events.
Do we call voice actors gamedevs too?

>>717106512
More like:
>We put all the post-processing and rendering shit through some drag-n-drop Unity/Unreal built-in function which is super slow and not designed for this use-case. That's why the game runs under 30 FPS with frequent stutter on high end machines even though it looks like a PS2 game graphically.

>>717101785 (OP)
community managers are not game devs.

>>717107103
>Concept artist is a CONCEPT artist
>this is the equivalent of a person drawing a picture of a soup telling the world he's kitchen staff

it's more like the equivalent of drafting up a design document and blueprints, showing these to the client for approval, and then passing them along to the trades for construction. if you think conception isn't part of development then you are just stupid.

>>717107590
>concept art is equivalent to design documents and blueprints
do you consider the architect to be a construction worker also?

>>717106886
The hell does that mean?

>>717107863
its for people who play games

>>717107852
do you consider a director to not be a gamedev because he doesn't touch the code?

>development
>noun
>the process of developing or being developed.
>"she traces the development of the novel"
Community managers do not contribute to the actual game development. They merely exist under the same flag as the development team to take the brunt of shit from the community on social media while delivering corpo speak towards criticism.

Is the social media manager for a soccer team a professional athlete?

>>717106512
>Game dev in the 1990s
>turnaround of 6 months per game

>Game dev in the 2020s
>I need 5-8 years to release a mediocre game that has no customers

>>717107590
Calling them blueprints is an insult to blueprints
Blueprints are full of immaculate details, dimensions and descriptions

Concept art has..
a picture of a character or object from two sides, or with a few different expressions or angles,
or.. a still, simple picture of a landscape where everything is left to the imagination

You can't possibly seriously say that concept art is in any way comparable to a blueprint - all they do is give the actual dev (the modeler/texturer) an idea of what to make.

Sometimes the concept art looks vastly better than the end results, and sometimes it looks vastly worse, but in either case, the concept artist didn't make the product

>>717107289
Don't worry bro it uses DLSS to upscale that shit from 900p to 4k and it looks great now!

>>717107974
Whatever does that have to do with agreeing with the caricature?

>>717106391
It's funny as we both know you struggled at basic highschool, have no education, are poor, have never fucked a woman, and will die a genetic deadend. At least you'll always have your poltard indoctrination to feel smart, lol.

>>717108271
nobody asked for you to project your life story retard

>>717108240
the concept artist doesn't make the product, but there is no product to make if the product is not conceived in the first place.

>>717107852
Are you retarded?
Of course he's not a construction worker because it's an entirely different role but both are part of the development process.

>>717101785 (OP)
>concept artist
Only if your art is in the game.
>level designer
Yep, game dev.
>community manager
You don't even have a real job.

>>717108607
no shit

>>717108262
the one called gamer?

>>7comeback.
>No u
Kek, absolute esl comeback. You are so braindead you can't even think of your own insults. Besides we both know Im 100% accurate. You know it, I know it, your disappointed Dad sure as fuck knows it, LOL!

>>717108520
Give the same blueprint to two sets of competent builders, and they can create the exact same house. Give two competent dev teams the same set of concept art, and they'll almost invariably come up with two vastly different games? Why is that? It's because concept art is not a blueprint, it's a concept, and interpreting that and actually creating the fucking game is the heavy lifting.

>>717108804
calm down retard

>>717108649
>>concept artist
>Only if your art is in the game.
The entire design document which dictates the style of everything is made of concept artists largely. It influences just about everything even if each piece isn't directly put as a .jpg into the game.

>>717101785 (OP)
I am a gamer.
I submitted a bug report once.
I guess I am not a game dev.

>>717108928
>>717107983

Are ideas guys game devs?

>>717101785 (OP)
concept artist and level designer are game devs thoughever.

>>717109194
have their ideas been made into a game?

>>717108796
It says G@M3rZ™ no wonder you fools can't tell reality from fiction apart.

>>717107983
directors are gamedevs because they do work with code,even the shit ones that don't write any

>was playing Heroes Of Newerth back in the day
>complain on the forums about some inane shitty programming I noticed, lead dev there tried to justify why it's programmed like shit
>I blast him, point out the right way to do it
>he challenged me to a programming off or some shit, posted his college's final programming project, he managed to get an opengl render to make a rudimentary quake level, I mean really fucking rudimentary, and made with a BUNCH of libraries
>posted my fully functional heightmap-based directx-based, only one library for importing images for the textures, coded everything from scratch including wind physics
>"Wow that's actually pretty cool, I guess we can be friends :)"
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>717109681
so a concept artist is a gamedev because they do work with asset production, even if they don't touch the wireframes

>>717109653
what's a G@M3rZ™?

>>717109832
concept artists are gamedevs because they work with gamedevs? k

>>717102532
>i can code in numerous languages and build my full featured graphics engines for fun
this is how you can tell this fag never worked a day of his life in IT

>>717101785 (OP)

>>717110185
a director is a gamedev because he works with gamedevs? k

>>717101785 (OP)
Level designer is not a fucking job title nor is it for it possible for it to be a 40hour/week position.

>>717106117
They'll just use slop. You see, you don't actually need programmers now. You just need someone specially educated and ideally experienced in telling a specialised program just right, in specific ways, using specific terms, what you want it to produce. And then fix and tweak it in places so it doesn't fall apart. But no programmers.

>>717101785 (OP)
he's right, except for the community manager

>>717110508
>Level designer is not a fucking job title
that was literally John Romero's entire job tho

>>717110325
I don't get what this is referencing

>>717109878
A mockery for people who identify with the "gamer" label while gatekeeping who is a game developer.

>>717110712
John Romero is a fucking hack

>>717102027
Video games is seen as the bastard stepchild of software engineering, so nobody professional goes to work in this industry.

>>717104301
Kek

>>717110803
irregardless of what you think of him today, when he was making doom he was the level designer. that was his job.

>>717110248
You could have stopped at "fluently". Or "code", really.

>>717110780
>gatekeeping who is a game developer.
That's logic and facts.

>>717111162
A level designer is a game developer and concept artists are part of game development.

>>717110942
Nigger was handheld so we day 1

>>717106773
Bottom right dude makes a compelling argument no matter how silly you draw him.

>>717110715
I think that's pirate software, so obviously making fun of QA.

>>717111448
"You are not a game developer unless you do everything by yourself"

>>717111671
There's room for debate but a gamedev's gotta have a lil bit of everything yknow

>>717112014
You are NOT a game developer UNLESS you do EVERYTHING BY YOURSELF. Not a "little bit" EVERYTHING.

Do you agree with the or not?

>>717101785 (OP)
It’s going to be baffling to explain to our children why “ugly brown woman in hijab” was so popular in the 2010s.

>>717112014
so, say we have three guys who work together to make a smol indie game:
programmer, only knows how to program.
musician, only knows how to music.
artist, only knows how to art.

by your logic, even though they made a game together, none of them are a gamedev.

>>717101929
Power. They hate you. They want you to know they hate you. They want you to know they're going to ruin the things you love because they hate you. They want you to know you can't do anything about them ruining the things you love.

>>717106773
A community manager is not a videogame developer

>>717111224
>A level designer is a game developer
Sure.
>and concept artists are part of game development.
Same as construction workers that made the building everyone is on. Or pizza delivery guys. Or repairmen who fix your cars.

>>717112197
The end product is a game, the process was ex-nihilo. Stuff created out of nothing.

>>717111671
"I AM A GAME DEVELOPER BECAUSE I SAID SO"

>>717112380

>Janitor at Blizzard: "I'm a gamedev."
>Farmer who grows corn, used in the ethanol that staffers used to drive to their jobs at id Software: "I'm a gamedev."
>Eye doctor who treated one of the staff members at Valve in the last two years: "I'm a gamedev."
>RETARDED, WHACKY NAZI ""GAMER"" CHUD VIRGINS: "AFAEFKAFHAEFAHFK BUHHH I'M A STUPID RETARD WHO DOESN'T RESPECT THE HARD WORK OF THE REAL INDUSTRY HEROS! DURRRR I WRONGLY BELIEVE U ALL AINT TRUE GAMEDEVSS!!!!!!!"

Let's be reasonable here. They're all gamedevs.

>>717112358
Construction workers make the building come true. You are thinking of architects.

Like clockwork

>>717112108
>i have no argument so i'm just going to strawman my opponent

>>717111524
Oh. I guess that makes sense then

>>717112503
You are still identifying yourself with the dude in the bottom right. Your position is insane.

>>717104165
>If you are any good at writing, you would write a novel.
Writing novels is not a well paying job either unless you belong to the 0.001% of lucky bastards in the field who manage to produce a hit that goes viral.
People who are good at writing probably write blogposts on Substack or write scripts for podcasts or something like that, which allow to generate a steady income from subscribers.

>>717112714
DUDE THAT IS WHAT THE FUCKING COMIC IS SAYING YOU HAVE NO REASON TO IDENTIFY WITH IT YET YOU DO, SO YOU HAVE TO DEFEND THE POSITION BECAUSE YOUR ASS IS IDENTIFYING WITH IT

UNDERSTAND IT?!

>>717110637
While art slop is advanced enough to be used for something, programming slop isn't.

Good luck making a videogame, bro.

>>717101785 (OP)
You mean the guy in the last panel? Yea, he is.

>>717112947
>food cooker
>you cook food
>waiting tables is not cooking food

>game developer
>you develop a game
>posting pictures on twitter is not developing games

Do you agree with this, or not?

>>717112652
You'll not get me on a gotcha no matter how hard you try. One does not become something else by association.
If I write a program used by doctors I don't become a medical professional. If I write a program used in international maritime shipping I don't become a sailor or a logistician. If I write a program used to launch or operate a rocket I don't become a rocket scientist. Similarly, if I use a compiler to make a video game the compiler's creator does not become a "game developer". If I make a plugin for Photoshop I don't become a Photoshop developer. And so on, and so forth.

>>717113912
I think you missed sarcasm in there. Might be time for bed or for some socially acceptable stimulants depending on which part of the world you're in.
Also no, art slop is still terrible and my tastes aren't even that refined. That the masses find this "good enough" is unsurprising if still sad. As for my own games, it's somewhat postponed for now and I'm planning to start with simple presentation like ASCII anyway.

>>717101785 (OP)
Uhhhmmm, did you just assume xe/xers gender?

>>717105035
And that character is still more of a gamedev than the community manager is.

(also vector art would be more original and less gay than pixel art at this point, and can be better optimized (if you have good coders (which you don't))

>>717112392
Kek

>>717108649
by this definition, is that one guy who got his art stolen by bungie an accidental game dev?

>>717114483
There is no need for comparison, he simply is a direct and unambiguous contributor to the project thus a "game developer". Part of the game is his art, doesn't get more direct than that.

>>717101785 (OP)
most community managers are absolutely awful at their job and are actively harming development

>>717114949
No, blackrock/mastercard/sweet baby inc demanded they hire those fags or else they would shut down production of the game entirely, so hiring them was helping development.

>>717114202
So a construction worker is not part of the creation of a building nor the architect that made the blueprints?

>>717114125
>game developer
>you develop a game

There is the conondrum, is "doing everything by yourself" the only way to develop a game?