Thread 717109830

real talk: will gaming PCs ever be competitive in price with consoles or is it simply impossible?

No, and neither will consoles do as much as a PC can. It's simply the way things are.

>>717109830 (OP)
They used to be for a long time, then the cryptocurrency nonsense made building your own PC overly expensive due to them completely screwing up demand for GPUs.

Actually unsure on how prices are in comparison these days, haven't kept up

>>717109830 (OP)
pcs used to be comparable back around 2010 but now it's completely off the mark, the true benefit still is pirating every game

>>717110048
GPUs alone can run into the thousands these days, costing as much as most other parts combined. Cryptocurrency mining dropped off, only to be replaced by AI faggotry.

>>717109830 (OP)
Did you get owned in the other thread so you had to make another one?

Imagine spending so little

now make a meme pic for console players having to pay a subscription service for multiplayer

>>717110591
i would love to have a couple H100s or whatever their newer one is that they're phasing in

It's really funny how the consoles have fallen, there are practically no console wars anymore, Microsoft is barely kicking, Nintendo went the other way and Sony is ahead by default.
It is in such a bad state that they are no longer console wars but consoles against PCs.

>>717110941
>Sony is ahead by default
They're literally bleeding hundreds of millions of dollars trying to make live service work

>>717110941
In what universe is Sony ahead?

>>717109830 (OP)
At least PC has games

>>717109830 (OP)
Why a Ferrari should be competitive in price wiith a ford fiesta, are you retaded?

>>717109830 (OP)
investing into a PC is cheaper than consoles. I built a PC back in 2012 and besides the GPU all the components are the same and I can play the vast majority of games just fine. Ive probably saved significantly more money compared to buying 1 or more consoles and upgrading each generation alongside the various little money making schemes they employ like network access they charge you for

>>717109830 (OP)
I think it's impossible on the consolefag end to compete with how cheap PC gaming is in the long run
The games matter more than the hardware at this point, and consoles never get anywhere near the sale prices that Steam does, not to mention the general lack of backwards compatibility

>melting this hard console nigger spamming these threads all day long
lmao
who hurt you?

Sorry to be that "IT'S [ CURRENT YEAR], COME ON" guy, but how have you existed up to this point thinking that you never needed the entire catalog of PC games (includes all the ones you can pirate) and all the arcade and console games that you can pirate for free. What part of that is so repugnant that you you've been smartphone and console slopping it your entire life.

>>717109830 (OP)
Why would they be? Pure value for buck consoles not only lose every generation, the value goes DOWN every generation.
>Every PC I buy is backwards compatible with every previous PC game I've bought my entire life.
>Every game I buy is cheaper on PC if I have to buy it all all.
>Controllers? Whatever I want.
>Mods for games.
>Run a game at any point in it's update lifestyle.
>QoL updates

Just tell me what a console brings to the table that I don't already have access to?

>>717111024
Yes, but they're the default console since Xbox unalived themselves and Nintendo is still for kids. But like you said, they fucked up with funding like 14 live service games and pretty much all of them flopped or were cancelled. They could have knocked out Xbox permanently if they had a better slate of exclusives, but they're mostly relying on multiplats now

>>717109830 (OP)
Neither will be relevant in 10 years:
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/ign-launches-gaming-trends-platform-shedding-light-on-how-mobile-roblox-and-more-are-reshaping-the-industry

>>717112885
Mobile gaming is big because it's literally the cheapest option and most of the global population lives in fucking poverty

>>717109830 (OP)

When buying second hand : Yes

There's literal gaming PC's that are more powerful than a base MS5 for like a used PS5 price out there

New ps5 500
Used ps5 250
New pc 1000
Used pc 500

Shit ig i better buy a used pc to play shitty ports of monster huner wild and dragons dogma 2

>>717109830 (OP)
Consolefags are a joke especially when they try to brag about being rich for owning a $500 kid tablet but then try to shit on pc for being too expensive

>>717109830 (OP)
Depends on what you want to do.
Only want to play indies/old games?
PC is impossible to beat, even if you leave aside piracy.
Want to play AAA ultra 8K with free blowjobs?
You can if you have the money.

>>717113329
HOLY SEETH
>poorfag cannot affort both

games are literal garbage. pcs are ancient tech.

>>717113427
Ill play indies on pc for sure but ill play on games on console still.

>>717111182
Fifa machine.

>>717109830 (OP)
Yes I get infinite free games

>>717113532
>consolefag gambit
like clock work

>>717113545
>games are literal garbage.
VIDEO GAME BOARD

>>717109830 (OP)
its funny how OP made this thread while nintendo just announced that the switch 1 of all things is getting a price increase

>>717109830 (OP)
You could buy a 200 dollar thinkpad and have more games than all modern consoles combined

>>717110941
>and Sony is ahead by default
Least subtle snoyroach

>>717112885
>mobile gaming
>the elderly and children playing shovelware puzzle games laden with ads and gachaniggers
absolutely, utterly, irrelevant

>>717113532
I've noticed people focus on the ability to buy things but neglect the value involved, why buy a console at all when modern games are pozzed goyslop?

>>717114160
Gacha is a multi-billion dollar industry

>>717109830 (OP)
>will gaming PCs ever be competitive in price with consoles
They've been the past 15 years.
If you're "fine" with average console performance of mere 720p, running at 30fps, that's then upscaled to """4K""" using post-processing filters + past-frame data...
then you can indeed make do with a DECADE old mid-tier build, which many elitists would be potentially gifting away for free.

Already back in 2011, /v/ had an endless line of "here's how to build a console killer PC" threads. The average price was 300-350 bucks, which was competitive all the way to ~2019 when Switch was the cheapest system and going for mere 299 dollars.

Even today, after all of the component scalping and extreme inflation, you can indeed grab a 2nd hand gaming PC for ~500 bucks, and get yourself a great system capable of NATIVE 1080p / 60fps (or more), with good upgrade options. Which already saves you A TON of money compared to the 600-700 dollar consoles (that cost extra in the Europe thanks to import taxes + VAT).

Not only that, but whenever consolepeasants praise their overpriced toys' capabilities, they always ignore a few key ingredients in their shitsoup:

>mandatory paid subscriptions if you wanna play online (XBL and PSN)
>other forms of paid subscriptions used to replace "backwards compatibility" (Nintendo's expansion packs)
>third form of subs used to shill "cheap games" you don't actually own (Goypass)
>80 dollar + tip average going price for modern AAA console vidya
>80 dollar pheripherals
>NO right / capability to upgrade or fix console's HW
>NO way to fix and mod any console software
>NO multiscreen / multires / multi Hz support
>Next to no multitasking capabilities
>Seldom chance to host your own games online, or MAKE your own games
>ALL Snoy games come to PC

Even the most base-line PC provides so much bang for your buck, on top of instantly saving you a mountain of pennies every passing month, that it'd be insanity to even consider a console in the year 2010+15.

>>717114236
so is candycrush, your point?

>>717114298
A million times more relevant than Stellar Blade, financially speaking

>>717109830 (OP)
>competitive in price with consoles or is it simply impossible?
If you buy used you can match a ps5 for like $300 and a pro for like $550 or something

>>717109830 (OP)
it's less about the pixels than it is about the framerate, controls and options

>PS1 - 700+ games
>PS2 - 400+
>now it's barely 50 with all the remasters
lmao

>>717114510
Meanwhile a thinkpad can emulate up to 360 lmao

>>717112280
>nintendo is still for kids
Their userbase are on average 25-35 years old

>>717114589
Horrifying, especially if they're all like the Nintendopedos that post here

>>717114653
Yes, the entire fanbase of nintendo is posting on 4chan

>>717114713
Sarcastic bitch I should slap you

>>717109830 (OP)
>Poorfag thread.

>>717114160
>93 percent of gen alpha
Theyre the future, youre gonna stop playing games in 10 or 20 years and just complain about games sucking and being too busy and make excuses not to play. Meanwhile, theyll be playing games which will primarily be on mobile. That is where we are headed, like it or not.

>>717114802
>youre gonna stop playing games in 10 or 20 years

WRONG

"consoles" are just budget gaming PCs for normies. Why would high-end PCs try to compete with something leagues below them?

>>717114802
>they'll be playing games which will primarily be on mobile
>games
>mobile
see, you keep using that word when you know it's wrong

>>717109830 (OP)
I bought a near mint thinkpad T420 from some guy for 60 eurodollars for university, i have like 15 3ds, snes and ps1 games emulated on it for when i travel to home and back via train.
Not to even mention the functionality of it as a daily driver for uni work and general things and all this for a mere fraction of the money i would have spent for the consoles.
Consoles are good as gifts for single digit age children, otherwise, worthless

>>717115123
A great thinkpad, easily upgradeable

>>717114802
once they stop being 7, they'll switch to pc

>>717114160
>posts gachashit reaction pic
Oh, the irony

>>717109830 (OP)
The customization makes em more expensive.
PCs need to have all the connectors, all the PCI-E lanes, all the custom cases and you can't sell em on a loss.
A PS4 or PS5 is basically two chips and a bunch of RAM.
There's no separate boards, no connectors or need to configure.
To be more specific it's two SoCs, an ARM one that does all the low tier shit like audio, network, controllers etc. and it acts like a PCI-E card for the main SoC.

>>717109830 (OP)
>competitive in price
I'm not poor like a console fag, so I don't care about price.

>>717109830 (OP)
Lemme visually show you.
This is a PS5 PCB, as you can see, it's just VRM, RAM chips, and that's it's. it's basically an oversized videocards with some connectors.

>>717109830 (OP)
And then check this out.
This is a CHEAPASS AM5 board, it is full of connectors, extra chips, capacitors to handle any kind of CPU or GPU you toss at it. it's just more stuffs.
And everything you connect to this PCB has it's own PCB and such.
But what you get by the extra price? more flexibility.

>>717115082
>"consoles" are just budget gaming PCs for normies
Wrong.
These are.
Majority of normalfags don't own a PC nor a console, and do EVERYTHING on their pocket touch-screen devices instead.

>>717115614
Yep.
There is this recent news that Windows lost 400 million users to phones.

>>717115819
MS has been losing customers left and right ever since Windows 7 was artificially killed.
Now that majority of the world's PCs literally do not officially support Wee11, on top of said OS being a well known, dangerous spyware itself, even Linux has been gaining grounds, going up whole percentages the past couple years out of the blue.

>>717116019
There's actually a hidden number here.
Windows had 1.4 billion users, now it has less than a billion, and linux didn't gained all these users, and fortunately so didn't OSX.
It's just people moving to phones.
These charts of OS usage only talk about percentage of users, not total numbers, because total numbers are going down as the world turns more idiot.

>>717109830 (OP)
It's more like consoles don't allow people to spend more.
If people wanna spend more to experience the most insane entertainment medium in human history - while they still can - it's not clear how much longer we're going to have stable power grids - then let them? It's rational, if anything.

>>717116019
MS doesn't really care I think, most of their profit comes from the business sector

>>717109830 (OP)
Make it a:
>how PC gamers feel after speding $2000 so they can play hentai VN
And it's spot on.

>>717109830 (OP)
I literally bought a 2000 euro pc last christmas.
I played Resident Evil 2 and 3 remake, got bored of RE4 Remake around the castle area and now only use it to emulate ps1 and gamecube games.
Someone please kill me.

>>717116794
>I played Resident Evil 2 and 3 remake, got bored of RE4 Remake
I hope you PIRATED that shit.

>now only use it to emulate PS1 and GC games
What's the problem with that?
The beauty of PC gaming is that you got access to 5 decades worth of vidya of many shapes and sizes.

Go play Silent hill 1-4 next, before Jewnami nukes them off the orbit with their upcoming de-make tsunami:

https://pastebin.com/uf5XhyXz

>>717116794
>2k euro pc to emulate ps1 and gcn
A ps2 and wii are like 60 bucks each give or take ten bucks. Are you retarded?

>>717109830 (OP)
only 2000?
more like 5000 mate

>>717109830 (OP)
>>717110048
>>717110372
>crypto
>aislop
>nvidia creating the problem and selling the solution
pretty based tbqh

>>717109830 (OP)
The modularity and multi-functionality of PC components is ironically what will always make it more expensive. Their market value will always be tied to the other markets and use cases it provides, unlike pure gaymen rigs like consoles which provides a closed ecosystem and proprietary market for games which allows them to sell consoles at a loss for the prospective gain off software sales.

We be getting GTA 6 doe
Stay mad pcfag

>>717109830 (OP)
You make your money back via piracy. Piracy is integral to making PC gaming work

>>717119604
That build is pure cope. Try running unoptimized modern shit on it, some PS5 games will barely work. Hell even some PS4 games will barely work, TLOU2 would be a stutterfest

The whole market is fucked in one way or another anyways.
Console players have a cheaper machine, but you also have to pay a subscription to play online game and a more limited catalogue.
PCs are more expensive, require more maintanence, suffer more from bloatware because some retard out there think that with more technological advancement they can slack off in some other things since it is not their problem anymore but of their customers for not having an up to date rig.
At this point i can't laugh at mobile players anymore, they got free slop that doesn't hurt their wallets to much, phones are relatively affordable as long as you are not retard that let themselves get scammed by buying iphones, and some cool games that either go for cheap and sometimes even cheaper. Their games also have to be optimized or they can't run, meaning that devs actually have to fix their shit.

>>717111185
PC doesnt even get GTA 6. No games.
>>717111318
A console compared to a PC is more like a Tesla Model S Plaid compared to a Bugatti. The bugatti has a higher top speed maybe but a Tesla will do what the Bugatti will on any main road in the world for a tenth of the price.

>>717121047
>Try running unoptimized modern shit on it
I got nearly the exact same build, but with 3060 12GB. It runs the "unoptimized modern shit" literally 4 times better than the consoles do (FYI, Xbone Series X and Piss5 can only do 25-30fps in UE5 sloppa, while rendering at sub-800p internal res).

It's just bizarre to even use this modern sloppa as some sort of "gotcha!" against the PC, when it's literally the only platform capable of bruteforcing and/or modding this shit into playable state. No, ~30 fps is not acceptable in 2005+20.

>>717119484
You can always buy used parts though. Don't fall for marketing hype.

>>717122218
So what resolution is that on? What graphic levels is it set to? By the way on PS5, the lowest internally that it hits is 864p, but is upscaled with TSR to 4k. Name a single game on PS5 that runs at 30fps and doesnt have a performance mode.

>>717109830 (OP)
These days iGPUs are pretty good. So just a used parts + a current or immediate last gen CPU with an iGPU + Linux will get you a decent gaming setup.

>>717122378
>So what resolution is that on?
Can't you read?
Oh wait... you're a phone poster, aren't you?

>What graphics levels?
All mediums / normal.

>PS5 lowest internally that it hits is 864p
Incorrect. 792p (and lower) is confirmed in many benchmarks.
And TSR is literally just FSR-like TAA smudgefest.

>Name a single game on PS5 that runs at 30fps
Silent Hill 2 demake.

>>717122257
Used market is still subject to those same market pressures as new though. That's why it was awesome to snag gpu's when those crypto retards were btfo and trying to cut losses, then gpu's jsut became gaming processors at an abundance

>>717122621
I was asking what resolution you were running SH2 at.
Silent Hill 2 runs at 60fps target on base PS5. It has more than just quality mode. Are you fucking retarded, anon?

>>717122793
>I was asking what resolution you were running SH2 at.
And you'd fucking SEE it, if you were not a goddamn iPhone toddler nufag.
Go back and stop trying to suck the cocks of console overlords AND Unreal 5 pajeet shit.

>SH2 runs at 60fps target on base PS5
it does not, by default.
And at "performance" mode, it's essentially 720p smudgefest.

Oh yeah, add that to the pros of PC gaming:
You don't need to *pay* to play this sort of garbage.

What's the best price/performance GPU right now? I'm looking at a RX 7900 XTX, is there anything better? Nvidia is basically a no-go for me right now with their prices.

>>717123075
Used RTX 3060 12GB.
Failing that, one of those new Intel cards with 16GB.

>>717110941
I love seeing myself in this screencap.
>Four years ago

>>717109830 (OP)
Nobody paid $2000, Mr. Rent-free.

>>717123064
It does by default. Its internally 864p to 1152p upscaled to 4k. It doesnt even look like a smudgefest either. Wheres your source that SH2 dips below 800p as well? Those games that you posted didnt showcase it whatsoever. The only pic of it captured SH2 in quality mode in a bad frame dip that could happen on anything.

>>717110591
Those are workstation GPUs, you console moron. The less you know, the more you win, I guess?

>>717123563
Its really not too far from it though. Just to match the power of a PS5. Oh yeah and then you have to deal with sloppy seconds of console ports and hackers in multiplayer on PC.

>>717123064
None of the pictures you posted even have a resolution in them outside of two screenshots that are from youtube videos and not what youre using.

>>717123585
>Its internally 864p to 1152p upscaled to 4k
Source?

>It doesnt even look like a smudgefest either.
You've never even played a native 1080p game without TAA, son.
THIS is what TSR does to performance.

>Wheres your source that SH2 dips below 800p as well?
Digital foundry + tons of PIebbitorz like (You) going all "30fps is totally fine! :^)" in the comments.

tl;dr: You're still here, against everyone's better judgement, defending slop that's an insult towards the OG game and barely playable on current gen 700€ consoles.

>>717123796
>nufag, phoneposter, AND a samefag
Like pottery.

>>717123660
>Its really not too far from it though.
It's a galactic mile from the truth.
A 500€ Ryzen 5 5600x + 32GB DDR4 + RTX 3060 easily BTFO any console on the market at the moment.

1000 bucks is enthusiast level wankery, and 2000 is a sign of having too much money and no idea how to use it.

>>717123848
The source is digital foundry. They literally run pixel tests and have reported those figures. By the way the 30 mode sits between 1224p-1512p before being upscaled. Either way, it resolves to a 4k image that the vast majority of people are not going to cry about on a $499 console.

>>717123920
A 3060 gets like 70fps in 1080p on Black Ops 6. A base PS5 does dynamic 1440p at 120fps target. A 3060 is a heap of shit compared to any major console except maybe the series s. Youre delusional.

>>717109830 (OP)
I do feel like that considering games were still fucking 30 fps on the PS5 and now I can play at 160.

>>717124892
What PS5 game was 30fps and didnt have a performance mode?

>>717110591
Show how this isn't an artificial bubble and money sink for gullible corporations. Real AI is 100 years away.

>>717109830 (OP)
*10 times, sorry my image missed a word

>retard who thinks that screenshot resolution = resolution game runs at thinking he's smarter than anyone in this thread
classic pc gaymer

>>717109830 (OP)
Sōyfield ran at 30fps on "next gen" consoles.
I would pay $2000 just to not have to experience something so painful and embarrassing

>>717109830 (OP)
Nope. They'll firmly continue to be overpriced boxes for faggots that NEED UE5 west-made swill at its highest possible fidelity (+fake frames).

>>717124486
You got awfully a lot of data for a random anonymous phone poster.
Really makes you think.

Also thank you for once again bringing up THE elephants in the room:
>dynamic 1440p (= upscaling, variable res)
>120fps TARGET (= jumpy performacne)

Also top kek at
>a 3060 is a heap of shit compared to any major console
Graphics card is just that: a single component, little nigger.
And that card has more memory than the Piss5 has of the COMBINED memory.

>>717109830 (OP)
Poorfags will never understand

>>717126362
The 3060 has 12gb of vram. Thats even less than what the PS5 uses for games which is 12.5gb and the PS5 has 16gb of GDDR6 in total combined memory. So youre wrong. Also, it actually holds near 120fps and over 100 most of the time. So youre wrong

>>717126809
>PS5 has 16gb of GDDR6 in total combined memory.
>combined memory
Top kek!!
I have a poorfag PC, and even I have 32GB of memory + 12GB of VRAM, on top of having Terabytes worth of storage space.

>Uhm, axhully... it holds NEAR 120fps!!
>o-over 100 MOST of the time!!! ;(((
Imagine being impressed by literal 2012 performance, and not being even able to hold steady framerates in a fucking Cowadooteh.

>>717127017
32gb of ram and nothing to show for it because a PS5 runs call of duty better than your supposedly good build. Numbers here, numbers there. Might as well be lying.

>>717127235
My device runs that shit at 1200p, native, at 144fps, locked. Yours does not.
And imagine shilling consoles using a fucking CoD or Halo in the year 2025. Totally not paid content ITT!

>>717127775
Consoles have been cod boxes since like what the PS3? Oh yeah by the way the PS5 runs call of duty at dynamic 1440p at 120fps so Id say its pretty comparable. Your pc probably is running on low settings as well meanwhile console is on almost/or maxed out settings.

>>717127775
The difference between 120 and 144fps is laughably small.

>>717127913
>Your pc probably is running on low settings
You wish.

>console is on almost maxed out settings
This is never true.
Look up ANY game's tech dissection videos. Consoles ALWAYS run games at borderline lowest possible settings.

>>717128774
Thats once again not true whatsoever. Most newer games run at fairly high settings.

>>717109830 (OP)
That’s your own damn problem if you don’t know hardware

Can definitely find affordable rigs

Chances are you won’t know what to buy and if I helped you’d not learn anything so imma just lol

>>717127913
>Consoles have been cod boxes since like what the PS3?
Gfys

>>717109830 (OP)
Gaming pcs will never ever be cheap again, the fact that neither amd nor nvidia have their own fabs means those fabs they hire can ask whatever prices they want, add to that the fact that they get a lot more money from corporate users than gamers and you found why they're so expensive.
njudea is quite literally charging 10.000$ for a fucking 5090 with a bit more vram and all the cores enabled, if it isn't obvious by now, the increased specs don't cost 8k more, it's all pure profit because they have zero competition.

>>717109830 (OP)
>I spent 2k to have better quality visuals that run at 200fps while you're stuck at 30 fps at best with subpar graphics.

>>717113532
>oh so you have a 2025 Chevy Corvette huh? Well where's your 2015 Honda Civic KEEEEK poorfag

>>717109830 (OP)
I prefer my PC because of the added freedom to change things and because I like games that aren't just interactive movies.

>>717130356
are you saying console fags are a honda civic? because consoles are not economical at all. you have to pay for online play and you usually have to pay more for games because they never go on sale.

They were at one point
>2500k for 200 dollar
>gpu for 200 dollar
>rest of the mabobs for 200 dollar
>600 dollar pc vs 600 dollar console

>>717131530
Thats not true at all. PS store sales are consistent with steam sales. The prices are extremely similar and youre just using old talking points.

>>717130179
PS5s hit 120fps in multiplayer and 60 in pretty much any single player game. So this is just flat out wrong.

>>717114334
Retards will spend money on literally anything if you get them addicted. You sound like a jew, no one with a brain gives a fuck how much money the moronic masses spend on mobile games, I'd literally laugh in the face of anyone that tried to talk to me about mobile games seriously.

>>717131784
They're just not, neither in frequency not in amount. Not to mention that Steam keys can be purchased (and found on sale) through legit keysellers in many different places for many games, besides Steam itself. Oh its on full price on Steam now? Its 67% off on GMG or Humble or whatever the fuck. When that sale goes away maybe the Steam sale will max it out. Look at the prices of alternate vendors for console games (ie Nintendo codes via Humble etc) and you never see anywhere near as large as a discount; same for most other keysellers (even gray market types) for console keys unless there's VPN fuckery with locations involved. I'd still prefer PC for many reasons but games on consoles are often nowhere near as heavily or quickly discounted as those on PC, even for the same title much less the "exclusive" games timed or otherwise. Its better than it used to be I grant when there was almost no discounts for console shit but its still far behind

>>717132140
If you want to stick your fingers in your ears that's okay, I'm not pro gacha in fact its pure goyslop.
But I am pro reality, and reality is mobile games have a much larger audience than most non mobile games these days

>>717110941
Gaming development costs became so inflated that the console war is a joke and they're already circlejerking their series between each other. Nintendo is the only "unique" one at this point and I fucking hate Nintendo

>>717131637
>2500k
good times

>>717109830 (OP)
Would he really beat goku?

>>717109830 (OP)
They already are, doubly so if you're willing to buy older hardware on the same level as the consoles. Hell, you can pick up a a Steam Deck for less than most consoles and it can act as a full PC and isn't locked down or otherwise fucking with you.

Part of console faggotry however is the relatively low cost of entry to get you down the line, like buying a phone with a contract. You're forced to only use one vendor, one platform, usually one place to buy keys (or very few that would be cheaper), pay for one online service most of the time, and more. Ultimately though, the PC is need seen as an "appliance" that you buy just for gaming, you're already (hopefully) using one to browse this site - getting it upgraded to gaming performance is just another option for something you already need/use. Not to mention it gives you WAY more benefits (you can play a game at higher resolutions and with other features both graphically and in terms of modding that aren't viable on console) , is not proprietary and locked down, and is cheaper for each option and much, much more that makes PC preferable. This anon >>717114272
is correct as well.

>'eeedom on Deck
Consoles are outmoded as a concept no longer benefiting gamers in any way. The Deck is an example of a "pick up and play console experience" that also does NOT lock you down to either Steam, nor SteamOS, nor anything else. Its how "consoles' should be, but it can be that way because Gaben gives a shit about Linux and openness and makes money without locking you down. Conventional knowledge COULD have had him put the BigPicture mode separate from the Desktop one or make it so that you couldn't load other stores applications or games without going to a separate account so to speak...,but they didn't thankfully. This is what every console should be an affordable easy to use gaming appliance that is capable of being a full powered PC without lockdown.

>>717109830 (OP)
I really enjoy how over time it's switched from "a-a-actually console has lots of advantages!!!" to just acknowledging that PC is just straight up better but is expensive. The backpedaling is strong.

>>717109830 (OP)
https://youtu.be/aDMsGl_XxTk?si=gaihGKqT7IGYdcNo