Thread 717127741

Remakes that are so good, there's no reason to play the original.

That has to be one of the most Dunning-Kruger images on the internet. Did you get it from Reddit? Also, what the fuck does it have to do with your (obvious bait) topic?

>>717127885
I got it from /bant/ actually. It's the only image I had on my roll and downloads are slow at the moment.

>>717127885
This, for example me screaming nigger at the top of my lungs is actually a biting satire of the very idea of racial supremacism, whilst the shallow and witless will think I'm just doing it because it's funny.

>>717128780
>>717127885
I forgot to add, it's meant to be a proper discussion topic. I've seen people asking this very question elsewhere and I'm simply curious about people's opinions here.

>>717128958
Write a 5 page essay on the metaphysics of one's intensity in screaming nigger

>>717127885
1. How is it a bait topic? To me it looks like a legitimate question
>>717127741 (OP)
2. Fire Emblem Echoes Shadows of Valentia. It does literally everything better than the original game.

>>717128958
When i say nigger, it's generally to rile up white people.

>>717127741 (OP)
Rage bait facebook image.
herbs

Kirby superstar deluxe

>>717130908
It's from /bant/ which is as far from Facebook as you can get

The image that killed American reading comprehension

>>717127741 (OP)
theres no reason to mention the color of curtains unless they symbolize something

>>717127741 (OP)
A good writer doesn't describe the curtains without a good reason. Now post some fucking vidya.

>>717127741 (OP)
The only good remake is REmake and frankly even that plays worse than the original.

>>717127741 (OP)
there's no reason to play remake. remake exist because studio is lacking creativity and realizing that their idea wont sell at the same time, so they resort to older IP/brand and remaking them again for the sake of profit and money to stay alive. People who buy remake product and consooming them are equally retarded, or probably even more retarded than those developers because they bought the same thing twice and paid for it 'twice' more expensive than the original game

I think the blue curtains and green light, while being symbolic, are a horrible example to use for symbolism in general. It's easy to explain that they're there to highlight his envy and the depressed view he's looking at it all through, but when you tell a class of kids to write a few pages on something so simple everyone's going to fucking hate the very concept of symbolism and go through their lives thinking all it is is reading way the fuck too far into simple details, not about how the simple details can set the scene.

TBOI rebirth

>>717127741 (OP)
Metal Max Returns
Minstrel Song

>>717132446
What if it's to give newer audiences ways to play the old games while also providing a somewhat fresh experience for series veterans?

>>717127741 (OP)
If there is no character or thematic reason for the curtains to be blue, noting the color at all is pointless filler writing and thus bad.

>>717131882
Wrong.

>>717127741 (OP)
Shadow Man

>>717131285
>>717131331
Midwit take. Sometimes you just want to give the reader an idea of the environment so they can conjure an image in their heads as they read. Real life doesn't abide by arbitrary laws of symbolism and metaphors. The walls of my apartment being all white doesn't represent my innermost desire for an ethnostate, they're just like that and I'm not allowed to repaint them.

>>717133078
Your inability to paint your walls mirrors your inability to reach that ethno state promised land. Because you're a rule follower. Says a lot about your character.

>>717133168
Got me there.

>>717127741 (OP)
how come literary theory is still not taught in high school despite being critically established?

>>717131285
>>717131331
t. Kubo

>>717133370
Too busy teaching children about anal sex and dismembering their genitals to focus on things like literature and math.

>>717133370
It is in my country. For like 80% of 11th and 12th grade English we do that. The rest is essay writing and grammar.

>>717133510
As a Californian who graduated last year, this is false, at least here anyway.

>>717133510
>The curtains were blue
>Marxist Literary theory: the curtains represent the established role of the economic elite, and how they can afford more than blue. The elite can buy red, green and even white linen, which is comparably more expensive.
>Psychoanalytic theory: The curtains appeared blue due to the empathy shared by the protagonists outlook on society. The certainty of the color is not important, but the protagonists perception of color is, uniquely shining through the rays of depression and misadventure.
>Structualism: The curtains are blue. They have no mechanical use outside of telling the protagonist their lived experience is part of a greater simulation of icons and ideals. We accept the blue curtains because we value a society build on organized constructs such as color.
Post-structuralism: The curtains are actually blue because they imprint the long history of man's desire for iconicity in fashion. His struggle to achieve creative freedom and mythological purpose is evinced not only in the color, but in the fact that these are drapes as well.

>>717133370
>how come literary theory is still not taught in high school despite being critically established?
What do you mean?
I don't know what currently taught at school.

>>717133749
>blue is a sad colour
Fuck you, blue is a happy colour. The protagonists tripping on dopamine.

>>717127885
I think you're using Dunning-Kruger incorrectly

>>717133850
It depends on how the analysis is performed and how much substantial evidence is used to support it but yeah, it's weird lol

>>717127741 (OP)
The only one I can think of is resident evil 1 (gc)

>>717133852
?
So everyone perceives themselves as 60-70? Regardless of ability? What use is this, then?

The Ninja Warriors Once Again
Shadow of the Ninja Reborn
Mega Man Powered Up
Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxe
Buccaneers Shipshape

>>717127741 (OP)
The Last of Us 1 and 2. Dead Space. Twin Snakes. Probably the new FF Tactics.

>>717127741 (OP)
This is interesting to me. I see that a lot that people think there is deeper meaning to seemingly mundane details but really couldn't that just be a choice? Like, an intern brought a demo for blue and green curtains and the director through blue looked nicer so they went up?

>>717133078
good writers don't waste time writing meaningless details
if they are mentioning it, it should be assumed it mattered in some way

when you are learning to write it is important to learn this otherwise you just make meandering nonsense that no one wants to read

>>717134259
Most people are more shit than they really are expect the upper echelon who actually sell themselves short.

>>717134359
>Last of Us 1
>Twin Snakes

Resident Evil 2

>>717134259
I believe the main take away is that there is a dual burden to self-evaluation. You need to know the right answer to know whether you answered incorrectly. So what we're really seeing is that the more knowledge you have the better you are self-evaluation. Until the top right which could be explained as the top performers overestimating their peers. Since these are percentiles so everyone else's performance affects yours. There's probably more but that's what I remember being the take away.
'>>717134578
Not quite, because the upper echelon still were the most confident in their performance. They sell themselves short but still thought they were better than everyone else.

>>717127885
What does Dunning-Kruger have to do with this? do you just repeat words you read here?

>>717133078
you make art and books about heroes living in an important moment, not about boring people

the mentality that art and stories need to be "realistic" is the entire reason why modern writing sucks

>>717134685
continued
>but still thought they were better than everyone else.
This is inaccurate. They only put themselves in the 70ish percentile so they still thought there were many people better than them but they had the highest self-evaluations.

>>717134727
The great majority of art and books are about mundane things, and that's not a modern thing either. Do you seriously have a problem with a writer detailing something as blue not having a deeper meaning?

>>717134553
Good writers know that setting a scene is as important as the actions of the characters, because the clearer the mental image the more engaged and immersed the reader is. While not all details are necessary or pertinent, if the color of the curtains affects the overall color/mood/feel of the room then mentioning said color is relevant to setting the scene and is thus important even if the color itself is just that, a color, rather than a metaphor for something else.

>>717135250
>if the color of the curtains affects the overall color/mood/feel of the room
this indicates that the color has meaning to the story and is not just a "the curtain is just blue!" affectation.

>>717134553
Sorry bubs, I spent 10 years imagining the bedroom of the protagonist of my novel, so you're going to learn every little detail of it. Including what's been ground into the carpeting over the years.

>>717127741 (OP)
Why does that image cause so much malding?

>>717131272
No, this essay did.

>>717134996
Saying "the dog's fur was a near black grey" as opposed to simply stating "the dog" makes people mad.

nothing humans do is random and everything we do is subject to influences in our state of mind. if the author described the color of curtains than there was a reason for doing it

>>717135815
The store was out of other colors when they bought the curtains.

>>717135738
Really? When you say "people" do you mean "normalfags reading a book for the first time"? Because I remember reading meaningless boring details in most if not all of my novels.

>>717135451
>>717135815
>authors sees scene in his mind
>wants to transcribe it to writing so his readers see what he sees
>realizes if he describes every minute detail people will lose focus and interest before finishing the paragraph
>has to describe important stuff
>color is important for an image
>curtains are large objects that are very visible
And so he writes the curtains are blue, and there is no hidden meaning behind it.

>>717127741 (OP)
There's no such thing as a remake replacing the original; that's only what modern devs want to believe. A remake managing to improve the original's flaws doesn't make the original game outdated or anything... unless the original game was a bad game by definition

>>717133385
/thread

>>717127741 (OP)
its called a thought exorcise, you're not meant to go inside the authors head. its to teach people critical thinking skills and how to piece together themes and ideas that are not immediately present from a surface level observation

>>717136207
>Really? When you say "people" do you mean "normalfags reading a book for the first time"?
potato, potato

>>717127741 (OP)
Xenoblade DE and Xenoblade X DE
>Inb4 the same retard whining about anime art style in his weeb games

>>717136834
Did they botch the artstyle on Xeno X too?

>>717127741 (OP)
Resident Evil 1 and 4 (they're the only ones I considered just objectively better)
Persona 3 Reload
I

>>717134727
I didn't say that everything needed to be realistic. I'm saying not everything has to be symbolic or metaphorical.

>>717131285
There's no reason for video games to be anything more than collision boxes unless they symbolize something

>>717136885
They didn't "botch" the art style in either remakes, they improved it.

>>717136309
A bad original game like Fire Emblem Gaiden being replaced by Shadows of Valentia

>>717137017
Xenoblade 1 wasn't an improvement, only to a handful of characters and cost too much loss

>>717136260
Sounds like there's some meaning for the color of the curtains then instead of them just being blue.

>>717136887
Reload is definitely better than og and FES in everyway. Though still better than Portable. I hope Atlus changes their mind and adds the Portable content just so there can be one single definitive version of P3.

>>717127885
Okay wise guy. Name me ONE game where the Original is better than the remake.

>>717127741 (OP)
>Game remakes that essentially replace tbe originals?
Metroid: Zero Mission

>>717135738
Simply using the word dog is considered bad writing. Most writers say that it is better to specify the breed.

>>717135815
It isn't random; it is just not important.

>>717136260
The "Death of the Author" is the worst thing to happen to fiction writing.

>>717136556
>its called a thought exorcise, you're not meant to go inside the authors head. its to teach people critical thinking skills
That isn't critical thinking. Rarely is anyone taught the difference between Watsonian and Doylist analysis.

>and ideas that are not immediately present from a surface level observation
The essay Death of the Author was published on 1967. Lord of the Rings was finished on 1955. It wasn't a new idea.

>>717137209
BUT MUH ATMOSPHERE

>>717137265
>Name me ONE game where the Original is better than the remake.
Crash team Racing
Crash 1
Crash 2
Crash 3 warped
Spyro
RE4
RE2
XIII
NFS Most Wanted
Pokemon Diamond and Pearl

>>717137265
Pokémon Ruby

>>717137209
They might if some groomer can upstage them in making not only the FemMC but also its content.

>>717137398
>RE4
>RE2
>XIII

>>717137265
Persona 3
Super Mario 64

>>717127741 (OP)
The remake is sold on the same price as the original game and all the contents there are still there, so buying the original game is pretty much paying for less content.

>>717131192
>using /trant/

>>717137553
Yes. Cope

Also, TMNT Turtles in time. You now remember Re-shelled

>>717137553
Not him but I really liked 4's new atmosphere. I get it's different but the more horror vibe was fun for me. The only thing I thought was just straight up a downgrade was the midget in the castle just being really bland now. Basically every other character was elevated.

>>717137538
There are fans doing that actually

>>717137689
/bant/ is a horrible place for wokies like me

>>717137812
RE2&4's remakes are very good but to say they render the originals obsolete in any way is just silly.

>>717134717
Hes mad people live life with the best they have while hes a spinless whimp unable to take chances or take a leap of faith.

>>717135250
why make the curtains blue? why mention the colors at all? why even mention the curtains at all?
the writers are the ones who make the room

>>717134996
what are you even talking about

>>717136992
part of writing is also letting the reader fill in the blanks
they don't need to know everything, if they need to know something it has to be important

>>717139835
Because 'Anon walked into the room. It was a roomy room that was very room-like.' is shit?

What did the devs mean by this?

>>717127885
>t. english teacher
There is little reason to describe the color of curtains unless its a JCpenny catalogue so it prob is meant to evoke something emotional, the person who wrote this was probably bored of the book they were forced to read and was like this sucks (they are correct)

>>717140356
the writers design the room
they can make a room roomy and also only describe things that also have relevant to the characters or themes of the story

>>717127741 (OP)
A remake could be the best game ever and the real one the worst, it wouldn't replace it in the cosmogony, for the simple fact that for a remake to exist, a real game needs to exist first
If you think games lose their meanings and appeal because "this other game is better", you got brainwashed by marketing

>>717140910
>There is little reason to describe the color of curtains
What about setting the scene so that the reader can visualize what's happening

>>717131331
You ever think maybe they weren't good writers? Like they just made shit up as they went?

>>717142097
>Like they just made shit up as they went?
That's the thing, making shit up as it goes is the easiest way to tell about yourself

>>717142097
>Like they just made shit up as they went?
That's all writers.
Even Kojima made up shit as he went.

>>717142097
>Like they just made shit up as they went?
Usually by the time you're done writing the book or script, you've found some greater meaning to details like that. It's a perfectly valid style of writing where you plant a bunch plot points without knowing where they'll go and then you follow up on them later.

>>717134553
>good writers don't waste time writing meaningless details
Then why isnt every single book just a really short synopsis, why bother with anything that doesnt explain everything in as few words as possible.

>>717134259
people with zero competency view themselves as having general competency in subjects they provably don't understand while people with high competency in subjects they provably do understand don't view themselves as highly competent.

>>717127741 (OP)
At some point I realized the green portion is technically correct but in the gayest way possible. When you make it stormy during a boss battle, the storm technically represents the chaotic and challenging nature of the situation but putting it that way makes you sound like a try hard midwit and it's better just to explain it as setting the mood.

>>717142078
Books should be printed with blotches of color on each page to indicate the mood, you could fit in more words this way.

>>717142940
what does bright red mean again sorry I forgot

>>717139445
the original is different enough to still be worth playing.

>>717133370
It is. Or well, it was when I was in high school. But nobody paid attention because they make you read the classics, most of which suck massive ass aside from 1984, Lord of the Flies and all the Edgar Allen Poe poetry.

>>717137209
It would be if it wasn't for the disgusting color filters and lack of proper atmospheric lighting. Oh, and making us pay $30 for The Answer instead of just putting it in the base game.

>>717127885
>t. midwit

>>717143747
We had the Odyssey and The Illiad and Of Mice and Men when I was in early High School.

Junior and Senior year gave us stuff like 1984 and The Lovely Bones.

>>717127741 (OP)
This image sent back american education 50 fucking years.

>>717143948
The Odyssey and The Illiad were middle school for me.
All I remember from freshman year is that I loathe Tom Sawyer with every fiber of my existence.

>>717143996
They made this colors blue in this scene to represent this man's sadness.

Author here.
Setting a mood and scene is important. If you disagree you don't read books. I don't even need to be an author to tell you this, it's the most basic thing you learn when you pick up your first chapter book.

>>717127885
I like to think this is Dunning Kruger.

We need a new postal game.

>>717127741 (OP)
Okami
Resonance of Fate
ZOE2 maybe
Dragon's Dogma(PC with mods)
Valkyria Chronicles(PC)
FF12(PC with mods)
FF9(PC with mods)

>>717144041
Yeah we had the Odyssey in 9th grade and I think the Illiad in 10th. Then I got to read The Kite Runner in Senior year, even though I just wanted to read The Golden Compass like the alumni before me.

>>717142658
making people believe something is more complicated than telling people something

>>717134553
>good writers don't waste time writing meaningless details
That's shitty misinformation spread by Editors who don't wanna do their fucking job.

>>717144464
I read The Golden Compass for fun back in middle school. Good book.

>>717144464
>>717144709
Daemons were so cool.

>>717144670
good writers know how to edit their work

>>717144981
Good writers still need an editor regardless.

>>717134553
if you don't tell me about the stoneworker that made every brick used to build the home of dr. elroy manse, the man trying to figure out how the dead are rising from the earth (it's the secret wizard in town who found some necromancy books, but used too much cinnamon), i don't even want to read your bullshit.

>>717144789
I always wanted to read it, but I have no idea what it's about.

>>717133078
midwit writing. describing the scene for 14 pages is just indulging in your own farts

>>717127741 (OP)
Ocarina of Time 3D, don't listen to /v/ and /vr/ contrarians

>>717127741 (OP)
1988's The Blob, 1982's The Thing and Ms. PACMAN

how exactly does the author making the curtains blue enhance the book in any way?

>>717127741 (OP)
>>717132628
Examples of Public Education

>>717145480
Your inability to read the posts in the thread to find out is ironic.

>>717133850
Blue is nature's color of choice for saying I'll kill you.

>>717145572
That's red, dumbass.

>>717145239
>One or two sentences to set the mood is equivalent to 14 pages
You're the reason why books by modern writers are 90% dialogue.
Are you writing a book or a movie script?

>>717127741 (OP)
New author here, it's fucking exhausting writing enough as it is, better to make the curtains explain the character's mood rather than do that AND have to describe the curtains.

The english teacher was RIGHT.

>>717145635
Nope, it's blue.

>>717145667
Always let the description speak more than the characters do. That isn't to say overload the reader with description, you should always take into account pacing and scintillate your sentences.

destroy all humans

>>717145667
>New author here
Stopped reading.

This board is blue

>>717137015
video games aren't books

>>717145814
Thanks for the feedback!

>>717145773
Yeah I just need to get in the habit of it. It's litrpg slop though so thankfully standards are low.

the curtains are blue is terrible symbolism, what are some actual good examples of it?

Mario RPG is the perfect example. They even kept the exact same art style which was surely extremely difficult to do because the original was only sort of a 3D game and was designed around that. In terms of gameplay they just sped up the turn based RPG slog. And they even added some extra boss fights and some high quality cut scenes.

>but it's too easy now
The game was already incredibly easy, that's not why you play it. You play it for the story, characters and music.

>Morons: The bonfires are a gameplay element for restoring your health, saving, and leveling up. That's all.
>People with brains: The bonfires symbolize the cosmic struggle of light against darkness, a struggle every human being has participated in every moment of their existence.

Simple as.

>>717145904
If you can write a scene, you can design a scene, and vice-versa. Skills are universal.

The curtains are spiders. Silk as dark as night. And the persistence of time a thought belonging to a way of life long since past. To look out this window beyond the curtains is to look through eternity. Life. Death. These curtains are weaved from the very fabric of your reality.

>>717146048
There's also something to be said about it being a BONEFIRE, so presumably a corpse being a source of ever-flame, a place of comfort and safety for everyone around, which is poignant for the climax of the game.

>>717127741 (OP)
Etrian Odyssey HD 1-2-3. There isn't much point in playing the originals at this point, unless you really hate the giga buff to healing touch in EO1.

I really liked the System Shock remake. I think that was just a total accident of fate where the "reboot" with that faggot Avellone rewriting it and completely reworking the gameplay for modern audiences collapsed and they fell back to making a decently faithful remake.

>>717146048
>>Morons: The bonfires are a gameplay element for restoring your health, saving, and leveling up. That's all.
Nobody whose beaten the game thinks that.

>>717145109
you jest but the choice a writer makes to explain this or not has affect on the tone the writer is going for

>>717137265
Klonoa
Klonoa 2
FF7 (no actual remake exists but its way bettter than the multiverse fanfic, snail paced anime cringe simulator they released and the slop gatcha phone shit)
RE3
RE4
Spyro trilogy

>>717127885
FPBP. The point of those exercises in your English lessons is to develop your ability to notice how the writer is trying to influence you, which is useful for reading both fiction and non-fiction texts. The meme is literally just "stop noticing things".

>>717149589
There is a remake of FF7, in fact it's two games and soon to be three. It's overall more fun than the original but I don't think it replaces the original.

>>717145480
why mention the detail at all if it didn't matter
if you wonder why this is even a thing to consider its time you stop writing like you're a kid trying to reach a word count

>>717150570
How do you reach a word count if you've got a deadline and you can't think of anything?

>>717127741 (OP)
Dead Space
Final Fantasy 7
FF3 (3D)
FF4 (3D)

>>717149813
The problem is that english teachers are terrible at reading subtext, so they'll just invent shit and act like its what the author is saying because they have to teach a lesson about some kind of subtext.

>>717127741 (OP)
That pic was made by someone who sucked ass at reading comprehension.

>>717134553
>never read Joyce

>>717151969
Don't you mean "Media Literacy"?

>>717134553
>zoomer retards who dont read books saying what makes a good author
you know i was wondering what i was going to do with my time machine today, i think im going to go back in time and show J.R.R Tolkien your post, ill bet he is going to be really embarrassed.

>>717127741 (OP)
There are none. The ones that people say are good like REmake are more an experience for people who have played the original .People who play them as their first entry are just wrong

>>717127741 (OP)
starcraft brood war in terms of graphics
but in terms of unit portraits and mission briefings the OG is somehow still better.

>>717151310
Adjectives and adverbs are your friend

>>717151890
Cut them some slack, they have to deal with you

>>717127741 (OP)
FF7 remake

>>717153923
Tolkein is also a man who held an interesting life, his life experience exists in his writing

>>717127885
Midwits seething at this trvthnvke

>>717156917
What if I've already thrown in a fuckton of those and happen to still be nowhere near the count and adding more just makes it feel bloated?

>>717127741 (OP)
MGS3 Subsistance I suppose. Not exactly a remake but it does add a free cam to MGS3 and that's huge. No reason to play the original anymore

>>717151890
Did your teachers not teach you about PETAL paragraphs?

>>717162124
I was taught it but forgot it because I rarely needed it

>>717127885
You are retarded. You probably were told this a lot, but since you are retarded you keep forgetting

>>717127885
fippybippy

>>717131331
So the character went out of their way to buy a new set of curtains, because they felt a little sad?
or are you claiming they're magical empath color changing curtains?

>>717127741 (OP)
i read a book once. it was alright.
what i want to know is where are the videogames?

>>717127741 (OP)
Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green, Pokemon HGSS

>>717146048
This would be true if From was capable of subtlety or competent writing but they've demonstrated over the years that they are in fact not and that they rely 100% on mood and letting idiots over analyse crumbs to construct the story in the author's place.

>>717132727
Worse music and shitter content. I like both but there is no way to replace the og

>>717134553
Imbeciles like you that take advice on "good writing" from Hollywood scriptwriter manuals designed to surgically remove all soul from a work are the main reason why most modern literature sucks such massive balls.
You are simply too stupid to write anything, stick to asking chatgpt to do it for you.

>>717165646
No. ChatGPT just writes soulless cashgrabs. I want stories that have a soul. Stories that captivate the audience.

>>717165707
>retard also lacks reading comprehension
It is like arguing with drywall.

>>717165874
I know right.

>>717165646
You seem to be describing yourself pretty well. You're one of those guys who adds big words to their sentences to apoear smarter than they actually are.