>VC
or
>DM

>VC
that refers to one boss, van cleef
>DM
that refers to the entire instance

voice chat or direct message? neither weirdo

>>717187204
He clearly made a miatake and its supposed to be WC
>>717186830 (OP)
SFK

Defias Brotherhood literally did nothing wrong

>>717187204
i think op's hands are brown and he meant vailing caverns

>>717186830 (OP)
DM
>but you literally heckin confuse it with dire maul!
This has not happened once in human history

>>717186830 (OP)
It's DM. Only zoomertards call it VC.

DM. anyone saying otherwise is retarded
>b-b-b-but Dire maul
No one LFGs for the entirety of dire maul. You pick a wing and specify it.

if you say DM and mean VC, you're simply alliance trash that isn't worth listening to

>>717186830 (OP)
>VC
Are we skipping to VC or something?

Dire Maul didn't exist back in the day, It's VC if you're a real OG.

>>717186830 (OP)
It was always DM. Dire Maul (which came after) was DMW, DMN, DME depending on what wing you were doing.

Vancleef is one word and his name is Edwin Vancleef, it should be abbreviated EV

Or just DM because literally nobody has ever confused Deadmines with Dire Maul

>>717187579
DM is an alliance instance, fuck out of here blood elf slut.

Nobody calls it "VC" other than retarded autists. Nobody ever confused DM with Dire Maul because why would a level 20 character be trying to join a Dire Maul group, and why would someone say "DM" when Dire Maul has three different wings (E, N, W)

>>717186830 (OP)
How come Westfall was more popular than Duskwood?

>>717188274
Duskwood is 2spooky

Reminder: All human men lust after Horde women (real horde women, no elves)

>>717188050
If you're posting to LFG and can't immediately tell someone's level it's important. And as DM got more popular, there had to be a way for VC to differentiate themselves since far fewer were running VC.

>>717188518
For me it's forsaken cuties

I just type out the full names because I have an entire keyboard in front of me and I'm not an ESL shitter.

when europoors got wow dire maul was already out so they called it VC, americans got the game first when there was no dire maul so they called deadmines DM

>>717188274
Just didn't fit into the Alliance leveling route that well, for the most part people just did a few quests there when they were heading to STV for the first time

>>717188274
Because Westfall is lower level, leads naturally from Elwynn and has a popular instance with pre-quests you retarded catposter.

>>717188274
one has a dungeon you can spam for exp and loot and the other doesn't.

>>717189670
Dire Maul came after the Europe release so that ain't it
Anyhow people abbreviated by the wing they wanted to run, so DME etc.

>>717188695
I installed a big titty character mod for wotlk and my mind has been warped by the fact that whoever created this mod decided to give female undeads the most perfect milkers imaginable out of every race

Wailing Caverns has better loot and more quests
A shame the tradeoff is that it's long and shitty and boring

>>717190734
>shadowfang keep is the dev's favorite dungeon
>in a contested zone easily reachable by alliance
>don't give alliance any quests there

>>717190305
you can't just say shit like this without posting a link and some screenshots

>>717191004
That reminds me that the main Alliance quest for Scarlet Monastery has you go to fucking Desolace and kill 40 skeletons that are like 5+ levels higher than you for some goddamn reason

I KNOW the Horde quest is not that obtuse to get

>>717190734
>long and shitty and boring
Oh boy I can't wait to kill every single fucking mob on sight for hides and have to run a second and third time to get all of them.

>>717190734
Every group I've ever done WC with has managed to get lost in there somehow

>>717191004
>Silverpine
>contested

>Wailing Caverns as Alliance
Oh, yes.
Endgame lore.
Lots of quests.
Excellent opportunity to grab important flight paths down the line.
If you're alliance and you're not doing WC you're fucking stupid
>Horde get the nightmare share
Wow! This sure is fucked up! We'll take a look at it.
>Alliance get the nightmare shard.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG BIGDRUID HAS IT UNDER CONTROL

>>717186830 (OP)
We already have Dire Maul at home sweetie. Its VC and anyone who says otherwise is a tourist.

>>717191004
I loved SFK

Nobody calls Dire Maul "DM" you say DM W, E or N. So DM without clarification is deadmines.

>>717188274
Duskwood has a lot of running with little reward. Westfall also has a lot of running but lots of quests to do, and you can get a bunch of quests for DM. You can simply power level from someone by running DM repeatedly, so naturally it is one of the best areas for leveling after elwynn. With LFG you can skip some zones by running dungeons, therefore making Duskwood almost obsolete before running to stranglethorn vale for its bajillion quests too.

>>717192862
>Duskwood has a lot of running with little reward
You are actually retarded if you think this. Please stop posting about a game you've clearly never played.

>>717193923
Its been a while since I played. But i know for a fact you are retarded if you waste your time in that shit zone instead of getting all those levels through dungeons. You got no friends to run you or something?

>>717186830 (OP)
refers to Dan Mleef

>>717192346
and in fact nobody says any of that, they just say tribute

>>717186830 (OP)
It was always DM. Dire Maul came later AND was always referred to as DM <insert wing here>.

Nah dude i love doing dire maul at level 19

Deadmines > DM

>>717186830 (OP)
>Vice City or Dire Maul
neither

>>717194284
zoomer larping as oldfag

>DM - deadmines
>DMW - Dire Maul West
>DME - Dire Maul East
>DMN - Dire Maul North
Friendly reminder that Dire Maul came out after DM so only literal latebaby faggots call it VC

>>717186830 (OP)
DG (ded gaem)

why dont blizzard just copy BC or WOTLK and abandon all the DEI shit, they would make tons of boomer money.

>>717195451
glowie company infested with leftists and activision/microsoft plants cares more about propaganda than making a good videogame

>>717188274
>How come Westfall was more popular than Duskwood?
Duskwoods quests were all fucked up. Many of them were orange or red when you enter the zone.

>>717195363
Just two more weeks.

>>717193923
Explain the embalmer's chain then.

>>717186830 (OP)
DM of course
VC stands for veiling caverns

>>717191004
SFK is awesome. Fenris's howl will forever be ingrained in my head

>>717188518
need tauren wife

>>717191773
>>Horde get the nightmare share
>Wow! This sure is fucked up! We'll take a look at it.
they literally say the same thing as the alliance

>>717187476
No one calls it vc you retard

>>717188274
it's just mega kino

The idea that anyone would call Deadmines 'VC' is laughable and retarded because...who the FUCK calls a dungeon by the initials of it's last boss?? When does this happen? elsewhere?

Do you call Shadowfang keep 'AA' because the last guy is Archmage Arugal? fuck no

>>717199714
>When does this happen?
Classic.
>who the FUCK
Zoomers.

I remember this debate in trade chat back in early BC. Some fags kept trying to push VC whenever someone said "lfg dm"

>>717188274
People quit before they can get to Duskwood because of how shit Westfall is

>>717200040
that's a good filter then
there is no way such person would spend energy and time to gear up and prepare for heroic raids
I wouldn't want to play with such person

>>717186830 (OP)
Always heard it VC since DM was too easy to confuse with Dire Maul.

VAN CLEEF PAY BIG FOR YOUR HEADS

>>717186830 (OP)
dm
wc is a fucking chore every single time

WC and its not even close
especially the kino epog version

>>717186830 (OP)
only old-school wowheads such as myself use vc, we used to call it that all the time back in the day.

>>717201390
you're a contrarian, were you also the same guy who would spin his camera in circles when you played halo?

>>717195562
This, especially the placement of the quests. You've got 15-16 lvl quests at the top left corner, while most players enter the zone throught top right corner from redridge, since it's the fastes way to Darkshire.

>>717201390
let me guess
you also think people used to call the ps1 the psx back in the days

>>717186830 (OP)
DM
1) DM came first. Not just from a level perspective, dire maul didn't exist on release
2) People running dire maul would specify the wing
3) Only a fucking retard wouldn't ID the person asking for a group/members, if only to dodge someone underleveled

>>717191004
great chest and shield for tanks in that one

>>717201616
Nah, but I used to tape my tv making a crosshair, so I could no-scope in cod.

>>717191004
>silverpine contested
>alliance fags are audacious enough to want quests in a horde zone
lmao this is undead land enjoy being gangraped on the way there. Shame blizzard got infiltrated by furies and you finally got your wish in the furfag fantasy of gilneas. Silverpine still horde zone thankfully

>>717187476
>Only zoomertards call it VC.
This is literal revisionism.
US Trollbane, we called it VC back in 2007-2009.

Here's a bunch of pre-2010 Youtube videos calling Deadmines VC

>>717199836
see >>717202342

>>717202342
case closed

Only people pretending to be oldfags are vehemently against calling it VC

>>717191564
It's because of that one jump

>>717202546
I wouldn't say they are pretending to be oldfags, it's just they started playing when dm was already set in stone.

>>717186830 (OP)
Big Boat Cavern is the most descriptive name for it, and it doesn't trigger DM/VC skublords

>>717202693
DM was never set in stone, because people switched to calling it VC after Dire Maul came out

>>717188274
Haven't played in over a decade but from what I remember Duskwood had low quest density and a lot more walking. Ashenvale and Hillsbrad were more lore popular too.

>>717202342
And more examples of Deadmines being called VC pre-2010, but I replaced "WoW" with "Warcraft.

>>717202342
>people incorrectly calling deadmines VC then
>people incorrectly calling deadmines VC now
so nothing changed? retards still exist?

>>717202342
>>717202903
anyone saying that "no one" called it that back then is retarded
but anyone saying that calling it VC was/is more common than DM is even more retarded

>>717186830 (OP)
DM is objectively better dungeon but every time I cosider running it I feel sudden hatred to wards alliance and strong ugre to horde and kill everyone in SW so I usually just don't go there.

>>717202978
The argument was that "VC" was something zoomers made up, which is demonstrably false.

>>717203201
and they are retarded, but so are you if you actually call it VC

>>717202764
No they didn't.
People just specified the wing, because no pugs would saddle up with the intent of doing the whole thing

>>717202342
Glad I'm not going insane, I had memories of trade chat ganging up on and trolling level 18s who said dm instead of vc

For me? it's redridge. Peak comfy questing. The original not the post cata cringe shit with rambo parody

>calling your second char twink instead of alt

It's ludicrous that people try to paint "VC" as a zoomer invention when it's usage was well documented in the 2000s on Wowhead comment sections and Youtube.

>>717203589
that's not even the same thing, twink is pvp autism shit

>>717186830 (OP)
DM, the dungeon isn't called Van Cleef and anyone with basic context understanding can determine if someone means Mines or Maul. no level 19 is gonna LFM for Dire Maul.

>>717203152
The thread is about what the abbreviation for Deadmines should be you ESL noob ass newfag retard

>>717203490
>>717203758
People didn't start saying "VC" to avoid confusion between Deadmines and Dire Maul, people started saying "VC" because trade chat trolls were a very real thing (I think they vanished in modern WoW, they disappeared in MoP when I quit) and they liked to jump on the Deadmines vs Dire Maul acronym meme.

>>717203589
>calling your character "toon"

>>717203589
>calling your toon your char

>>717203589
Alt does not equal twink

>>717203589
>>717203672
twinking's specifically stopping your exp gain at a level and getting BiS
but some retards called their leveling alts twinks because they showered them in gold, gear and enchants from the AH to dominate in world pvp while they leveled

>>717191004
>easily reachable by alliance
Deadmines is easier to reach for Horde than SFK is for Alliance
And Alliance does have one quest for it

>>717187204
>VC
that refers to the deadmines
>DM
that refers to dire maul

hope this helps :)

>>717202262
>alliance fags are audacious enough to want quests in a horde zone
>Meanwhile in the middle of a fucking Alliance starting zone

>>717202262
Silverpine belongs to the Sons of Arugal, dumb zuggie. I know you aren't talking about getting raped after what the Sons of Arugal did to "hardcore" Horde players

>>717189693
Which is the wrong way to lvl. You’re supposed to do elwynn and dun morogh, and then all three westfall loch modan and darkshore. Start doing the low lvl quests in duskwood, redridge, wetlands, and ashenvale while you’re finishing up the end of zone high lvl quests in the previous zones. You should always be doing green quests in like 4-5 different zones at once.

>>717202903
>sponsored
jfc just install ublock it's not hard

>>717206682
>Nnnnnoooooo!!!! You have to level this way because the leveling guide I paid for says so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am glad the zoomoid generation isn't reproducing

>>717202342
Takes literally two seconds to see people have also been calling it DM since then as well.

>>717202903
Also install adblock you dumb nigger.

>>717207701
Nah I don’t use a leveling guide, just questie. Also it’s very unlikely you’ll find a group for a lot of low lvl dungeons on the anniversary server at this point, so I just ‘mow the grass’ of all the green quests in every zone available to me so I don’t run out of quests. Also I’m lvling 7 alts simultaneously and only lvl on them with rested xp so I don’t need to spam dungeons for experience

>>717188274
Duskwood is pretty awful. It's pretta much just an endless road. You die and you walk for another 20 minutes.

>>717208041
>Nah I don’t use a leveling guide, just questie
There's a difference?

>>717207931
And? That doesn't refute anything said.

>>717186830 (OP)
Only the biggest contrarian retards called it VC.

>>717208041
>Nah I don’t use a leveling guide, just a leveling guide
Zoomoid-kun....

>>717204336
>DM
Which side NIGGER?

>>717208131
>>717208076
questie just shows you where questgivers are
leveling guides give you an exact list of every quest to do in exact order, and exactly where to go at all times with exact coordinates
they're not the same thing, retards

>>717207931
The honest to god truth is that whether you called it VC or DM back in the day depended on what server you were on. On my server it was definitively VC and anyone who said DM would be teased for it. On other servers (including an RPPVP server I played on) it was the other way around.
Anyone saying "it was ONLY VC" or "it was ONLY DM" is a larper who didn't play until classic. I have the sneaking suspicion you fall into this category.

>>717208190
You are also a larper. For most of Vanilla and most of Classic as well, it was understood that DM meant DM North because after the first month of DM being out there was barely any reason to run West or East. Unless you were a paladin or warlock, I suppose.

>>717208076
>>717208131
Guides tell you what to do, questie simply informs you about the quests available to do. Also, I’ve leveled so many damn characters through vanilla I know pretty much all the quests anyway and just use questie to keep track of the ones I’ve already done.

>>717208324
You posted anime so i won the argument.

>>717208335
>>717208286
>it guides me, but it's not a guide!!! honest!!!!
listen i use questie too but can we not sit here and play pretend? be reasonable

>>717207931
The point is that "VC" isn't zoomer revisionism, not that "DM" didn't exist.

>>717208425
I posted it because I knew it would elicit that response and offer you a chance to slink away with your pride somewhat intact. You should be grateful that I have offered you this olive branch after exposing the truth about what you are, larper.

>>717186830 (OP)
DM:E
Dead Mines, Edwin

>>717208448
It doesn’t guide you if you know all the quests already and use it as a glorified checklist

>>717188274
>Stitches fucking you in the ass if you're not paying attention
>Denser packs thats easy to asspull in Raven Hill
>Quest levels all over the place

>>717208691
>I memorized every single location and objective for each of the several hundred quests on my journey to 60, so it's not guiding me!!!! honest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop deluding yourself

>>717208529
Didn't read + hidden.

It's DM.
A simple shift-click that takes 2 seconds tells you any information you might actually need to know.
If you're questing in Westfall and someone in general chat is "lfm DM", then you know it's Deadmines and to claim contray is completely unreasonable.
If for some reason you're seeing "lfm DM" in zones that aren't Westfall, Redridge, or Duskwood, then a simple shift click of the name tells you that the level 19 Rogue probably isn't heading to Dire Maul.

This is such an artificial debate made by fools and contrarians looking to fight out of boredom.

>>717208804
Anon the zones are leveled. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to decided to go to X, Y then Z.

>>717208876
Why are you talking about Dire Maul in westfall? Nobody is doing that, zoomoid. You probably meant to say VC

>>717208876
This is the real answer. Just apply logical context by inspecting the person for 1 second.

>>717208804
How would you react if that isn’t too far off from how well I know all of these quests? I leveled one of each class to 60 back in the vanilla-wrath retail era, I did it again in 2019 classic, and right now all of my 7 profession alts on the anniversary server are between 35-40. I really honestly do have pretty much all the sub level 45 zones perfectly memorized, and the ones above that I know where most things are.

>>717186830 (OP)
It's been almost 20 years, I don't remember which of the two I used but I HATED when someone used the one I didn't.

>>717208876
thank god this isn't an issue nowadays
you can just use the LFG tool to assemble a team
you are all arguing about something that was solved in 2008

>>717209027
>I leveled one of each class to 60 back in the vanilla-wrath retail era, I did it again in 2019 classic, and right now all of my 7 profession alts on the anniversary server are between 35-40.
But you were using a guide, so you didn't "really" do these things, Anon. That's factoring out the fact that you're clearly lying about playing vanilla retail. You are bragging about memorizing one of those gamefaqs walkthroughs, in effect, and nobody is going to be impressed by that. Nobody is going to judge you for using the gamefaqs walkthrough in 2025 either, just so long as you stop pretending that it's something it's not

>>717203581
The entire circle of online gaming friends both me and my brother have today was because of a chance encounter in Redridge.

>>717186830 (OP)
More people do Deadmines than Dire Maul so Deadmines.

>>717209246
Same except it was a random RP event in zugland

>>717209246
I did build such a circle back in the day, but that circle has long since dispensed. Also, it was formed in Elwynn Forest.
But one day we discovered that one member of that circle, who lived across the country, was cousins with a friend of mine at school. Small world.

>>717209098

>>717208324
it's probably different for NA and EU servers too. on my EU server everyone called it dm, I started playing a few weeks before bc released.

>>717186830 (OP)
>see mention of DM
>/who
> <60? Deadmines
>otherwise Dire Maul
Simple as.

>>717209210
What makes you so sure I didn’t play vanilla retail? That’s an impossible determination for you to make. Also questie didn’t exist back then and most people just used thottbot when they needed to.

>>717209743
this

>>717186830 (OP)
funny how much of it was server dependent. back in my day on spirestone server it was always DM.

>>717209743
yeap

>>717209756
Questie itself didn't exist, that was a private server development, but there were addon equivalents back in the day. I can't remember any of their names, with the possible exception of tomtom. There was another one I know I used but I can't drum up the name and it's on the tip of my tongue, which is driving me nuts.
Anyway, your dogged determination to try and demonstrate that you aren't a guide-using zoomoid is what makes me so confident you were probably still in diapers when TBC launched.

>>717210002
I played a rogue back then and liked to roleplay as one. Being a dirty scoundrel in particular. I remember during the Naxx event I toggled myself as hostile to the Argent Dawn and kept killing the quest givers in the Eastern Plaguelands for days. It was great.

>>717210104
Nah I was 14 when tbc came out, I still have my disks around here somewhere.

>>717210104
>I can't remember any of their names
quest helper

>>717202342
Why did no one call Wailing Caverns MD?
Deadmines came before Dire Maul, and it was called (D)ead (M)ines, just like how everything other instance was named.
>>LFG DM (Dire Maul)
>>which wing you fucking retard? or did you mean deamines?

>>717186830 (OP)
I started playing about 3 months before TBC released and I have never once in the history of my on/off playing over the decades ran dire maul.

Ran those early instances like Wailing caverns, sfk, deadmines, uldaman, zul'farak. rfk and rfd, gadgetzan etc. to shit and back because they were fun.

But it feels like theres a bunch of higher level dungeons that completely lost their relevance post TBC (Back before levelling to lightning fast and people still had to quest in old world) because you were still aiming to get to 58-ish and get into Outland as soon as possible

Things like Stratholme, sunken temple, dire maul, LBRS and UBRS and BRD, they all felt like later game dungeons meant to be taken between 50-60 in vanilla to gear you up for end game raids (Before heroics existed), but everything inside was completely outclassed by questing greens in hellfire peninsula so why would you ever run them past that??

Obviously they've gotten a resurgence now when levels seem to mean fuck all and people just LFG to level up and they serve as a bit of variety.

>>717208190
full run, what are you a pussy?

>>717210281
>gadgetzan

Does anyone remember the wild west days of Vanilla dungeons before they implemented the need/greed roll system?

>using the final boss name
must be from some ultra boomer everquest leftovers
they all died post DM so no one ever used anything like that later

>>717210247
>>717210104
Was there an addon that worked off of Thottbot's database or am I just imagining that.
I remember some sort of integration with it maybe. Before Wowhead took off as the #1 database for shit.

I remember people selling paid mods for questing and guides as well. What a trip in the context of paid dlc in this day and age

>>717210448
literally this

>>717210345
Fuck I meant gnomeragan.
I couldnt spelt it then and cant spell it now

I also originally wrote zul'aman instead of zul'farak

>>717186830 (OP)
Classic+ fucking when? I'm dying to play that.

>>717186830 (OP)
DM obviously. Dire Maul always has the wing attached ergo it is never referred to as just "DM", but rather DME, Tribute or DMW.

>>717203581
Comfy zone but it's impossible to level in a PvP server. Constant ganking.

Why does Deadmines get to be VC? Why not call the Dire Mauls AtW, PT, and KG?

>>717210490
>Was there an addon that worked off of Thottbot's database or am I just imagining that.
At least one of them did this, which is why they stopped working on private servers, leading to questie being developed.

>>717210705
Larper

>>717210852
Because VanCleef is a memorable character in Warcraft's lore.

>>717210852
VanCleef is the only boss who is hip enough to remember the name.

>>717210921
Unless you’re a hunter selling dmt buffs, then you know king gordok pretty well

>>717188274
Duskwook quest make you go to the other extreme to return 4 fucking times

>>717210852
>>717210448

>>717211231
That’s why there are other quests you should be doing alongside things like the embalmer, so each trip is for multiple quests. Also if you’re trying to get to raven hill its faster to fly from darkshire to sentinel hill and walk east than it is to walk west down the road

>>717203589
A twink is a different thing from a normal alt

>>717210639
Is called Turtle Wow

>>717211630
And it sucks ass

>>717211630
Privates suck monkey dick because of the awful scripting.

>>717212523
>because of the awful scripting.
that was 20 years ago, when privates couldn't even run ICC

>>717212596
I remember. I was there. Some servers even skipped Ulduar.

>>717195996
> be me
> horde rogue
> gank shit gnomes at raven hill for fun
> for whatever reason blizzard made the GY at tranquil gardens cemetary.
> they'd literally have to run for five minutes to resurrect

I don't know why I got so much enjoyment out of this, but I did.

>>717186830 (OP)
DM. For the longest time people used DM. Even when I played alliance, I only saw people use DM.
I have no idea when or where VC started being used because I dont remember people ever using it for the first 15 years I played wow.
Dead mines is also 40 levels before dire maul so it gets first dibs on DM.
If people want to do Dire maul, normally they would just say "DM N/north" and everyone understood.

>>717186830 (OP)
>someone below like level 50 mentions DM
Deadmines
>above
Dire Maul. Use ya noggin

>>717204537
>gets teleported in to kill gnomes simply because theyre faggot ass gnomes
Nothing personnel, alliancetroon

>>717208324
>For most of Vanilla and most of Classic as well, it was understood that [pure fiction]
how insightful

>>717214195
For me it's ganking at stonetalon peak where the corpse run takes like 15 fucking minutes because the zone is so fucking huge and there's only one graveyard.

>>717186830 (OP)
Why would anyone call it VC? Dire Maul came way after Deadmines, there's no reason people would've said VC for Deadmines. You're an actual braindead NIGGER if you think so. VC is most likely some dogshit private server thing.

>>717215834
>VC is most likely some dogshit private server thing.
see how the classic zoomer lashes out at what he doesn't understand. why would you tell on yourself like this? the hierarchy is true vanilla gamers > private server gamers > classic "gamers" (i.e. you)

>>717215834
everyone called it VC, zoomie

>>717209743
This is correct, which is why DM is both. Also if you didn't bother checking beforehand you are obliged to join the run if you get invited, even if that means getting your level 18 ass summoned to feralas by a warlock with a grudge.

It was ALWAYS DM = DeadMines because One = Dire maul didnt came out at release and second = posting VC at the chat always exposed retards as everquest tourists who had this retarded habit of calling dungeons by the last boss since they skipped the hell out of it to do that only in pure poopsock fashion.
Also, VanCleef was a shit excuse eurotards who were playing at US servers made since they came up with this retarded idea in first place, manly preach and the other faggots at al'akir EU
When Dire Maul came in they tried to force VC because the retards said DM with everyone trolling their asses after it with which wing memes

In the end it was always this
DM(Deadmines)
DME(Dire Maul East)
DMW(Dire Maul West)
DMN(Dire Maul North)

>>717216535
you cant enter the dungeon at lvl 18 tho

>>717216606
You can keep watch outside.

>>717186830 (OP)
DM, you idiot
Dire Maul wings are easily distinguished by referring to their fucking wing i.e. DME, DMN, DMW

>>717188518
Not ALL human men.

>>717216597
>>717216792

Sure, except for those of us who actually played vanilla and TBC. We said VC. Not that you would know, since you were born around this time?

>>717217183
Tell me that you are a subhuman eurotrash player without exposing yourself, nigel.

Dire maul wasnt there on release for every region. For people who played wow before it released they would call deadmines DM.
They would continue to do it afterwards because
#1 they were used to it
#2 when people wanted to do DM they would say DMN, DMW, DME, no one would just say DM for Dire Maul.

only very autistic sperges would tease people in westfall for saying DM, it was a weird autistic WoW culture thing to argue about DM vs VC, basically if someone saying DM confused you then it was a skill issue desu. It was a thing like people "needing" on travelers backpacks. In american servers they were very autistic and stupid about rolling need on BoE items, they would say "EVERYONE NEEDS IT BRO, THATS WHY YOU HAVE TO SELECT GREED! BRO LIKE OMG!" which makes literally 0 sense and just makes the "greed items" rolls open to ninjas.

>>717217389
>Tell me X without telling me X
actual tiktok behavior, please kindly vacate the thread and stop embarrassing yourself

>>717217183
I played not only that but also EQ since kunark
Eat shit, only retards call it VC, end of story

>>717217416
Players back then were retards, just look at the wipes raid group audios.
Players only got better by Wrath, since in TBC you had retards rolling on Hammer of The Naaru which was a Pally weapon because of some retarded feral or boomkin druid player, which was the same shit druid players pulled out on Maul of the Redeemed Crusader.

>>717217520
NTA but avatar Animeposting = concession.

DiMa

>>717217416
>rolling need on BoE items
twink brackets make some of these items worth tons of gold and its just a huge waste to equip them so of course people would greed when they intend to sell them.
needing on something worth hundreds of gold while everyone else is greeding makes you look like either a ninja or retard.

>>717217690
No, you didn't. Your behavior and lack of knowledge on the subject are extremely obvious signs that you didn't. Stop lying. It's pathetically obvious.

>>717218401
These days the common practice is to just have everyone need on rares, regardless of if you want to sell it or use it. Trusting everyone to greed on them out of honor or something was always just stupid, everyone that isn't passing wants it for the same thing anyway.

>>717186830 (OP)
The consensus seems to be DM
I'm 100% certain that when I was playing vanilla way back in the 2000's everyone in chat on my server called it VC while forming groups

>>717218701
I know full well you never printed out paper copies of zone maps to refer to and kept them in a binder, so lower your tone when talking to me shitter and go back to fucking classic while you're at it

>>717186830 (OP)
DM
only retarded euros are dumb enough to thing level 20s are looking for dire maul
besides any normal human puts the wing qualifier after DM if they're doing dire maul

>>717218401
>needing on something worth hundreds of gold while everyone else is greeding makes you look like either a ninja or retard.
no it makes you look like the only smart person in the group. If everyone is suppose to pick 1 thing that that 1 thing should be something that you cant be screwed over if 1 person declines to roll that way.

>expensive enchant drops
>no one is enchanter
>"everyone greed it!"
>1 person needs
>NOOO HOW COULD YOU!
vs
>expensive enchant drops
>no one is enchanter
>"everyone need it!"
>1 person greeds
>oops well better luck next time pal

i have had this happen a few times both cases. and if everyone is greeding then i will refuse to greed if im not the last person greeding. i have needed it over a ninja more than once and even had people complain about me "needing" it after someone else needed it already. Its an IQ test and autistic people basially gaslit people into thinking it should always be done 1 way on principle. when you play with chinese they at least know you should be needing on expensive items, the one time i needed an item and a chinese person needed just because thats what they do he gave it to me when i said i would actually use it.

>all this alliance babble
LF2M DM healer and DPS, cloth full

DM is Dire Maul.

>>717218880
Lol. Lmao, perhaps. Neither did you, once again, let's try not to kid ourselves here.

>Go back to classic, where DM-sayers like me proliferate and spread our misinformation about the proper name of the dungeon, since we don't know any better
that will also be a hard pass. i got my fill of classic - i played it longer than you did and achieved more than you did - and that was true for classic, classic tbc, vanilla, and tbc.

>>717218880
crystal caverns is kino. probably my favorite zone ever.

>>717186830 (OP)
VC is a third worlder term used by non-english speaking retards.
People like to LARP that they used VC in the old days but in the old days fucking Diremaul wasn't even out so there's no reason to call it VC unless you can't speak English to even comprehend what a dungeon is because the quest tells you to kill Van Cleef and you just hope you get invited to a party that takes you there.

>>717217183
i didnt say shit because i played horde and didnt even know it was a thing

>>717219308
of course not, because horde players don't know anything about anything

>>717219004
this used to get you blacklisted and shamed.
unfortunately with the influx of browns and chinks along with megaservers all trust is gone and everyone needs to be safe.

>>717219401
Horde players weren't saying LFM BJI because they're too retarded to know what the zone is called.

>>717203589
Yes when lv 19, 29, 39, 49, 59.
And then it becomes Alt again.

>>717219101
>get down to near the bottom of the zone
>there's an actual fucking town in there with bank and vendors
Absolvte lvdo

>>717219506
deadmines is an instance, a dungeon. it's not a zone. better luck next time, zuggoid

anyone who calls it DM instead of VC doesn't get invited lol

>>717219594
>Retarded Alliance player can't even argue semantics properly
What is a blanket term for an area for 100

>>717186830 (OP)
Dethecus-US 2006-2008
Dark Iron-US 2008-2017

It was VC

>>717219776
Don't waste your breath trying to convince the Classiczooms of the truth. They won't hear it. You will soon be called European, private server trash, etc.

>>717219776
Dethecus-SA 2006-2008
Dark Iron-SA 2008-2017

Foi VC

>>717219745
you stupid

Skullcrusher US, was in Rage

I miss those days

>>717219745
Zone is a term with a defined meaning in WoW, idiot. It is explicitly wrong to call DM/VC a zone, just like it's wrong to call Razor Hill a capital city.

>>717220023
Lemme spoon feed you real quick.
>Zones are areas of the map with designated themes, mobs, and scenery. These areas have borders much like a state or country, and though invisible, they define areas.[1] They may contain subzones, cities, towns, villages, or instances
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Zone
Hope this helps with your serious brain damage!

>>717212523
Multiple mop private servers have better scripts than the official classic mop servers. You have no idea just how retarded blizzard nucoders are

>>717186830 (OP)
it's DM, no one ever made PUG groups for a full clear of Dire Maul, if they wanted Dire Maul they'd specific DM E, DM N or DM W

>>717186830 (OP)
Better one: MT, MgT or MrT?

The fact this is even an argument shows how fucking brain dead Alliance players are.
>Hurrrr what if someone gets confused and runs all the way to Dire Maul after accepting an invite from a level 19 shouting in Westfall
The absolute fucking state of you retards is beyond baffling.

>>717186830 (OP)
Why do basedlennials love world of warcraft so much? Tried it when it was free week in 2011 or some shit with my buddies and it was awful. Not only that, paying a monthly fee is the ultimate cuckery, then these same people will complain about those live game services that require a monthly fee, or micro-transactions.

Thank god I'm a Zoomer.

>>717220317
>Fandom definition to support "argument"
now that is fucking grim

>>717221850
First thing that pops up in google.
Feel free to cherry pick something that supports your claim.

>>717219594
I forgot that people say instancing in instead of zoning in retarded anime poster.

>>717221850
Dungeons are zones. Hence why people say "zone in"

Is it worth it getting back in or does the niggers, ugly troon faces, and floating wheel chair kill it? Haven't played since cata.

Tried a classic private server but it was just too damn slow.

I like VC because it's stylish. It filters people in the same way table manners do. If the prospect of calling it VC enrages you, it simply means you have a gorilla mind. I enjoy being above you.
>>717223941
Of course it isn't. Try Project Epoch.

>>717223941
The community of blatant retards kills classic. Especially even more so now in MoP considering that's where they decided to make the game too hard for your average mouth breather.

>>717223941
Past two expansions have been peak for raiders, you won't find a better MMORPG for PvE right now.

Wheelgar and Sheboon aren't particularly present through the story but that could change towards the end of this next patch but even so the story is below average at best regardless so I wouldn't play the game looking for an enthralling story.

>>717224127
>Epoch
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>717186830 (OP)
Nobody called it VC. It was always DM.

>>717223568
They say that because you move from the zone into the instance. What a pathetic half assed attempt to argue using etymology you don't understand. Animeposter is right.

>>717224238
Dire Maul?

>>717224268

Simple, if you are level 20 DM means Deadmines and if you are level 55+ DM means Dire Maul.

>>717224853
or you say VC so people don't have to who you

>>717224127
>Try Project Epoch

>>717188274
wtf are you guys even talking about you move to duskwood after you complete every quests on westfall

>>717225642
It's classic zoomers.
They're buying gold then paying a mage to power level them in Dungeons.
The only time I've seen duskwood populated on official servers was SoD where they banned all that shit.

>>717224981
Or you ask which wing or if they're doing a full run. Clarification is on both sides.

>>717224981
Or you can not join the group of the guy shouting in Westfall.
Keep in mind there also wasn't a global chat in actual classic which makes this argument even more fucking retarded.
Also imagine not /who'ing the people you're grouping with in general.
The only people using VC are retards and ESLs.

I just typed out "Deadmines"

>>717221518
>I tried game after it became bad and it was bad
no way

I always come late to these threads.

favorite thing to play as ?
for me its female orc hunter

>>717219569
>>717218880
is there a less time-wasty version of EQ i can play in current year? im interested in playing it cause its like an old "dead" mmo with lots of history and cool loot and shit that makes me feel like im diving into some lost ruin but i dont want to spend a literal year grinding and doing some shit like multiboxing or having to deal with elitist discord cliques of the few dozen people that still probably play this begging for rez or corpse retrieval or whatever mechanic this game uses

>>717229595
male undead rogue

>>717229343
>SF means shadowfang keep
This whole book is complete bullshit. I'd be damned if it was completely fake to troll people.

>>717195996
Classic shitters BTFO

>>717187360
Building a doomsday device to kill every citizen in stormwind instead of just the nobles was pretty wrong.

>>717216893
Furfags aren't human.

>>717234193
>roll human
>somehow not human
???

>>717187204
fpbp

>>717186830 (OP)
Always called it VC, even during Cata

>>717229172
Yet cringelennials keep playing it.

>>717187930
deadmines is one word too shouldnt it just be d?

Is wailing caverns the only dungeon in vanilla that has a fail condition?
Like if you die at the final boss you have to do THE ENTIRE DUNGEON again to complete a quest?
Also wc (actual huge non linear duneon with exploration and no map at some points getting lost with the bros)>>>>deadmines (straight line)

As a Horde player, I never ran DM when it was level appropriate so I never experienced this debate. Why would I trek a million miles in Alliance territory when there were perfectly good instances closer? It does have a cool theme though. Don't you have to go through STV, rape city, severely under leveled if you wanted to do DM when it's the correct level?

vc

>>717234885
Its not meant to be done by horde, its the first dungeon alliance players do.
Blizz sort of fucked up by not having the stockades be the first, like RFC is for the horde.

Theres also some gear in it that is bis for that level range that WC and SFK doesn't have.

>>717188274
It has kino questline but
>huge chunk in the middle is a mountain you have to go around
>wild quest level difference so you have to leave for other zones and come back
>you're constantly running in circle.

>>717204213

Technically that would still be twinking since the word is fag slang for a young faggot that an older faggot spoils with gifts and shit.

>>717186830 (OP)
in westfall chat you say DM
in major cities you say VC

>>717195996
I only did that chain once, and I remember it specifically because I got ganked by a UD rogue while running back to darkshire one of the times
his sprint must have been on CD because he had to hit me with a distract to turn me around to catch me

>>717186830 (OP)
>VC
Why would i call the dungeon by initials of it's final boss guy?

i havent seen anyone argue about that since 2005
i wish i could go back

>>717214195
Because you never got to fuck Becky in high school?

>>717235057
Wait, what? Stockades aren't the first Alliance dungeon? That IS fucking retarded.

>>717224127
>Epoch
LMAO!

>>717235442
>Cat
Never trust a hunter who doesn't name his pet.

>>717235893
It's also like three hallways and bosses with no mechanics.
Literally a level 13 dungeon if Blizzard wasn't incompetent.

>>717236632
>>717235057
There's tons of unfinished shit in vanilla that was supposed to be finished later.
They just decided to say fuck it and make a new zone though because that was easier for them to pay gate at the time with the technology they had(The game is absolute spaghetti code). Which is now what they do with every area is throw away the old one and make a new one.
Like look at all the random portals in vanilla all over stormwind that were meant to lead to player housing and a dungeon involving the sewers.

>>717188274
westfall and the defias questline is a very important questline that begins in Elwynn and takes you all the way to onyxia. Duskwood is a cool zone, but doesn't really have that questline or a great dungeon to help carry it.

>>717236632
>>717235893
it also has like no loot

>>717235442
> 1 Day 10 Hrs
they don't make 'em like they used to

>>717191004
Why would you give quests for the npc faction?

>>717229595
Male blood elf death knight

>eastern kingdom has alliance dungeons needed to progress the main story
>kalimdor has 1 (one) in the middle of horde area that leads the story nowhere
Defend this.

>>717235893
the thread you follow throughout elwynn forest to westfall is 'the human kingdom is in disrepair and stormwind is going to pay the price for its negligence' with things like the kobolds, the murlocs, the defias, etc.
the stockades are meant to be a security complex in the heart of the capital, not some place they can barely afford to spare eyes like in moonbrook.
its fitting that you find a letter on van cleef's person which starts a quest chain for the stockades and eventually ends with katrana prestor. it futher expounds that these problems you have been facing are the result of corruption and political mistakes by the nobles as well as the machinations of onyxia.

>>717191004
I'm pretty sure mages guild tower has two quests available to every class.

>>717187351
I like WC, but it is arguably the worst instance ever made.
Maybe Ragefire chasm is worse.

>>717239860
ALSO, warlocks and paladins have their class quests in there.

>>717239698
They probably assumed anyone playing the horde was going to be a nigger or some sort of low life and they were right.
They converted hostile NPCs irl to hostile NPCs in game.

>>717191004
>Sfk
>Easily reachable
Lol. If youre alliance you're in for an hour long walk unless you already have the hillsbrad FP, and if you do it's still a 15 minute walk

>>717233953
The stormwind citizens are all accomplices that would defend the nobles given the chance.

>>717240046
I'm talking about night elf (alliance) players though.
They literally had no storyline dungeons like players in EK.

I got permabanned 11 years ago and my life has dramatically improved from the stagnant corpse of a life I had playing WoW from 2006-2014.

>>717240109
An hour long walk through high level contested zones so enjoy getting ganked or accidentally pulling a level skull raptor in Arathi.

>>717235442
probably half those people are dead IRL

>>717186830 (OP)
>someone says VC in chat
>cause a fuss in chat to say it's called DM
>someone says DM in chat
>cause a fuss in chat to say it's called VC
It's that simple.

>>717191004
Paladins have a quest that's right after the first boss for some reason.

>>717186830 (OP)
VC is reddit shit that nobody says

>deadmines abbreviated as VC
>not immediatelly knowing the difference between DM and DM (insert wing here)
I have literally never seen this happen.

>LFM BRD
*crickets*

>>717240557
BRD is easily the best dungeon blizz ever made. I don't know why they never went nonlinear again

>>717240557
Simultaneously a really cool dungeon and also a total piece of shit.

>>717202262
are you guys retarded? it's listed as contested in vanilla. this isn't some weird faction flex.

>>717204336
Dire Maul was never DM. It was always "Tribute Run."

>>717240298
i wish i were dead

>>717195996
it's faster to run to westfall and fly back to darkshire lol

>>717240557
You need to specify if you're doing Arena runs, Emperor, quest, or whatever. BRD implies doing the whole dungeon, which many people outside of a handful don't want to do or have the time for.

>>717240195
They might as well be horde with the type of thirdworlders that play them and blood elves.

vc is the most forced shit ever

>>717240734
Dire Maul is always DME, DMW, DMN, or Tribute. If anyone called it DM, you just assumed it was Deadmines.

>people make up the VC thing and spend well over a decade chimping out about people not accepting their schizo hallucination.

VCfags are an excellent case study in people believing something wrong for no reason, to their detriment, and refusing to acknowledge otherwise no matter much. A herculean level of stubborn summoned not for anything special but for random history of mmo terminology.

It was DM, is DM, and will always be DM.

>>717188274
Westfall was dense as fuck with content, including a dungeon.

Duskwoord was empty, spaced out, and filled with annoying as shit enemies that would one shot you if you got near them, usually placed between areas.

What does Voice Chat have to do with deadmines? People didn't used to need to be on VC to do a basic beginner instance.

>>717240557
>friday night muthafuckaaa
>got my snacks and coke
>log onto my paladin
>talk to bros, dwarf warrior and hunter
>we find a rogue and mage and off we go
>finish after midnight
>go to bed happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bWLsDaffMU

>>717240210
>Stopped playing years ago somewhere around shadowlands
>Became more and more retarded afterwards, while also becoming WAY less productive IRL
Its ironic that the degenerate game was my tether to some semblance of normalcy. It probably wasnt and it was all a coincidence, but still, i miss those times and hate what i've become.

The entire alliance leveling experience is dog shit and insulting to my Intelligence with constant fucking time wasting 30 minute + walks
>Elwyn to westfall is alright, minus that one dog shit quest that makes you walk back and forth several times. Fuck you billy mclure. I'd cut off your head if the game would let me.
>Ok now I have to go to redridge
>no flightpath in all of elwynn so you're in for another 45 minute walk from stormwind
>Night elf zones are dog shit so they have to make a 2 hour trek across dangerous zones
>all of the dungeons are pretty much a pain in the ass to reach except DM and stockades.
>WC? Lol. Lmao even. Have fun trying to get there. You're gonna be walking from dark shire into stv all the way too bioty bay, take a boat to ratchet and then walk another 15 minutes from there
>Sfk? Hour long walk from ironforge
>SM? That's an hour and a half (horde have a zeppelin that drops them off right next to sm btw) or you can shave off 5 minutes by going north at South shore, through alterac, into western llaguelands and then corpserun through the undead guarded bulwark
>No decent FP in thousand needles so reaching tanaris is another long ass walk
>Mara? 20 minute walk from NIGGEL's point( horde have a FP right next to Lara btw)
>Even just trying to reach the other continent is a confounding task (horde have a zeppelin right outside their main city gate btw

>>717241092
It's genuinely fucking insane. Like, nobody is forming a dire maul group in the westfall zone chat. Nobody is forming a dire maul group of level 15-25. There is zero confusion between the two. Meanwhile "VC" causes confusion to ANY FUCKING PERSON hearing it for the first time.

>>717241092
I bet pirateshitware calls it VC

>>717241752
WoW was my depression game, kept the bad shit at bay so i could refocus on the things that mattered

>>717241781
The problem with Alliance leveling is that, while it has a decent enough story that ties well together, especially the human starting zones, you can tell the Horde leveling experience was made far more efficient and quest rewards were better thought out precisely because they had to rush it. The Barrens is still one of the best zones in WoW.

>>717241781
The walks are part of the experience

>>717241781
I agree with all of this but unfortunately, playing on a pvp server made me hate all horde with the passion of a thousand fiery suns, so I am unable to bring myself to their faction despite it being objectively superior in vanilla.

>>717241781
Wrong on all counts. Horde is what sucks.

I'm the reason people call it VC.
Sorry, its because I would autistically sperg out at people DM YOU MEAN DIRE MAULL?!?! while logged on a lv ~40 char.
If I saw that the person was 40 actually looking for Dire Maul I would log on my lv 19 twink and say "UHHH I"LL GO TO DM!" Then sperg out again.
Intentionally.

>>717242056
You can't do dire maul in the 40s level range you absolute embarrassment of a secondary. Jesus christ

>>717242141
Was it 50s?
Its been over a decade, I forget.

>>717242051
Horde having easy access to WC, SM, SFK, WPL+EPL, Ashenvale, RFK, RFD and a straight road down to Tanaris is huge man. Also Ratchet>Booty Bay and zeppelin to Gromgol is amazing. Alliance Elwynn to Duskwood is a smooth leveling experience but after that? Kinda sucks and I say that as an alliance main.

>>717242051
False.
>superior questing experience
>superior dungeons.
>VASTLY superior travel options
>Superior racials
>shamans>paladin
>windfury>seal of gay
>Tremor totem >fear ward

>>717242295
Yes and thats why the horde chip on their shoulder is so funny. You don't see alliance going out to stonetalon to camp noobs all day on 60s but Redridge it's basically 100% guaranteed. Horde got every privilege possible and they still act like jealous niggers.

>>717240195
BFD

>>717186830 (OP)
When I played in 2004 it was DM, that VC shit started later when more players were at max level.

>>717242389
Only because your shitty alliance infrastructure doesnt allow you to easily get to stonetalon.
Also what are you talking about you dishonest alliance rat. You people camped the crossroads 24/7

>>717187415
no it has, and thats exactly why i didnt mind the esl VC

>>717242490
I levelled three horde toons to 60 and I don't think I saw alliance a single time until I was like level 40. And they didn't even attack me, unlike horde niggers who will chase you for hours like a pit bull. You actually have no idea how privileged your levelling experience is, alliance you get booted out into contested zones at 25 horde you don't have to until like fucking late 30s

>>717242389
>the genocidal aliens and zombies are evil assholes
no way

>>717242590
"The Crossroads is under attack!" is etched into every true Horde players brain because it's grammatically incorrect and you would see it hourly on leveling. Even on PvE servers, Allifags wanted nothing more than to raid The Crossroads.

>>717242720
It's a Horde zone, you can't even fucking attack the hordies that you see. I don't believe you. I've never seen it

>>717242440
I forgot to add that to my post>>717241781
So...
>BFD? Lol. A supposed alliance dungeon, yet the horde have better access to it via the zoramgar strand FP. Meanwhile alliance, or KEKS as I like to call them have to somehow take a boat to AUBERGINE and walk down for half an hour, or 15 minutes from FAGstranaar

>>717242782
nah he's right, played horde from 2005-2009 and seeing crossroads under attack in localdefense was a daily occurrence

>>717242782
The NPCs in the crossroads are low level because of the area, they would go and kill quest turn-in NPCs to annoy people since it wasn't hard to get to for alliance people anyway. That, and you can always just trick people into flagging.

>>717186830 (OP)
I played horde so never did deadmines

When you think about it, 90% of all problems in wow were created by the alliance races.

>>717186830 (OP)
Jubi' thos back in 2007-8 I remember it being called VC. I also liked duskwood except for the asshole spiders that spawned really close to the road after you came in thru Ridgewood. Ridgewood also had a ton of fetch quests that sucked. However STV was awesome as hell despite the amount of bullshit mobs that were mad close and would pull like a mofo. The soulless dead 55 to 60 areas were worse imo

>>717243049
>... alliance PLAYERS*
fixed

>>717186830 (OP)
>DeM

>>717243091
No I mean lorewise
Naga menace? Night elves caused that
Burning legion? Night elves brought them here
Azshara being a wasteland? Night elves
Defias brotherhood? Humans
Onyxia and nefarian being able to rise to power? Human retardation even if not directly responsible.
Scourge and plague? Cult of the damned. Which are humans.
Ragnaros being awakened and building an army? Dwarves

The only thing that isn't their fault is the silithid, and that's debatable.

>>717243396
to be fair onyxia influenced the nobles into stiffing the defias causing the whole problem, varian wanted to pay them until the riots killed his wife

>>717242782
It's not to attack Horde players directly, it's to prevent them from leveling. An Alliance raid sitting in the town means not being able to turn in all those quests and at best have to sit and wait next to the quest giver and hope they don't notice when they spawn in. As much as I hate Dishonorable Kills, there was a reason why they were added in Vanilla.

>>717243396
The naga are just corrupted night elves so blaming them for that is like blaming the humans for getting turned into the Forsaken and becoming psychos. More than that, it's retarded to blame the night elves for the Burning Legion coming to Azeroth because the night elves that are the playable faction in the Alliance are the night elves that STOPPED THEM. That's like blaming the Darkspear for Zul'gurub when it's an entirely different faction of trolls that are actively opposing the bad thing. The only remaining night elves are still night elves and not satyrs or nagas because they were the ones opposing the Legion's invasion.

The Defias Brotherhood are a minor threat that are absolutely nothing compared to the True Horde in Blackrock Spire (who are aiding the dragons that are manipulating humanity). There's a better through-line to blame the orcs for both of those things. If you're going to act like the Defias are a problem, you have to look at the various sects of marauding orcs all over. Or, better yet, all of the evil troll factions.

The orcs are also responsible for the Burning Legion returning to Azeroth TWICE in the span of like twenty years, and also for freeing Sargeras from the tomb. Not that I think it's fair to blame Thrall's Horde for the tomb and the first return because it was Gul'dan being a double-nigger. But it is fair to blame them for Mannoroth because Grom was the one that went full-retard. He only cleaned up his mess (just like the night elves did), but Thrall otherwise forgives him for being a psycho.

The Scourge and the plague were started by the Lich King, who was an orc working for the Burning Legion.

The Dark Irons aren't the Alliance dwarves (again, that's like blaming Thrall's Horde for Rend's bullshit), and they only did it because of the Blackrock orcs, anyways.

What is the best vanilla experience and why is it Onyxia?

>>717241781
>horde has a teleport in a neutral city that drops them off in front of Gnomeregan
Blizzard never had a horde bias btw :)

>>717243464
The nobles were already corrupt.

>>717243396
The fact that every Alliance problem is written away by the writers saying "It's a small group of people doing it, it wasn't really the ACTUAL Alliance :^)" over and over again, even if their faction leaders are the ones responsible for an event, pisses me off to no end. The Night Elves shouldn't be friendly with the other three members of the faction, they're xenophobic as fuck, ESPECIALLY Tyrande who didn't even entertain the idea of helping them in RoC, it was Malfurion who made the suggestion. Hell, Tyrande outgroms Grom himself in running into petty disputes, and the fact that the writers pat her on the back for it shows how the Alliance isn't supposed to have any nuance. Remember how Varian calling himself High King of the Alliance made people mad? Don't worry, he says two or three sentences to each race and they're just okay with it now.

Alliance would be a significantly better faction if they had to actually had to deal with half the bullshit they caused.

>>717243747
They did that to themselves. They chose to become naga

>>717243802
Probably Zul'Gurub.
>fun, varied bosses
>good upgrades
>only need half a full raid to get it going
>extra bosses you can fight if you bring specific items
>still some tough bosses for an unprepared raid like Jindo

is it completely dead now or

VC is for trannies without frontal lobes.
>um excuse me mr 19 warrior at westfall, which DM were you talking about

>>717243925
I'm pretty sure it's always been canon that the Highborne were cursed with it when the Well of Eternity sank into the ocean during the Sundering. They didn't choose to become naga, the magic just afflicted them. I don't know much about any lore that came after Cata but I'm pretty sure they even retconned it to be that it was old god corruption doing it instead of just the Well cursing them.

It doesn't matter, though, unless we want to blame Thrall's Horde for all of the bullshit the Twilight's Hammer does (which is stupid) because the Twilight's Hammer used to be an orc clan.

>>717243802
classic d&d dragonslaying
i still think molten core is peak because you go through brd which is an entire lava city and then into the source itself to fight a bunch of cool bosses and finally the firelord himself and you do it with 39 other people

>>717244070
It's in a "we'll keep teasing you about it and keep making random updates while doing fuck all" phase.

The current player base is what makes wow downright unpleasant to play. It's all brain rotted streamer orbiting Zoomers or card swiping boomers
>Lfm raid, guild group all good items reserved, need (amount of gear that is way above the minimum) and full worldbuff and consumables, need 1 tank 2 healer 7 DPS
You stupid fucking nigger. How is it a guild run at that point, and how do you think you are entitled to reserve all the items

>>717244070
I simply don't care anymore after trying to even get in for five days.

>>717244119
Wrong. They were offered a choice while they were being flooded by the catastrophic disaster they caused.
They willingly chose to become naga

>>717202342
>2007-2009
Yeah, but back in 2004 it was called DM, so fuck off.

>>717244362
>hey faggots, you can die by drowning to death or becoming fish people
>fish people it is

>>717210250
Exactly, if you wanted to do Dead Mines you looked for DM, Dire Maul was always DM east, DM north and DM west.

>>717241243
Yeah you wouldn't need Voice Chat or Direct Messages for a dungeon, you just use party chat.

>>717244151
There is something really special about those really early raids (really just MC) in that they weren't too mechanic heavy, and because of that they were less video-gamey. You were just supposed to play the game, but as a group. That's a bit of an exaggeration but compared to instances and raids now, or even just BWL being SO mechanic heavy, the first BWL fight is like a joke. It reminds me of that backrooms then vs now meme.
I'm not trying to say that fewer mechanics equals better, but there was a certain charm to it.

>>717244575
i'm a super casual so i always preferred the simpler dungeons and raids
nothing turns me off more than big circles of instant death on the floor or turning the game into mario party having to do timed puzzles
just let me assemble my team of fantasy creatures and hit the boss until i get loot so i can sit in the tavern drinking beer and shooting the shit and then go to bed
i realize i'm a tiny minority but the fantasy of it was always the draw for me not the numbers or prestige

>>717244575
All of BWL is a joke make no mistake. 90% of the mechanics boil down to (hide behind corner occasionally)

>>717244362
The newest lore is Azshara sold her people to N'zoth in order to remain queen.

>>717244362
That definitely wasn't how it was portrayed in warcraft 3, therefore it is not canon.
>But nu blizzard said--
I don't care.

>>717244575
>>717244746
raids becoming dance dance revolution where you do the hokie pokie before dunking 6 orbs into a hoop and get 1 of 2 debuffs that you need to call out and pair with another player or everyone dies has been devastating for the entire genre

>>717244575
Pure nostalgia. Molten core is not a good raid. Bwl has great aesthetics but could be better, the drakes are shit.

>>717245736
What do you dislike about MC specifically?
Other than every other boss being lucifron, we can all agree that was objectively bad.

>>717234516
she looks like she hugs that male human

>>717242782
"The Crossroads is under attack!" means Allies are attacking NPC's to grief the lowbies.
It happened pretty commonly and it led to some good ol fashioned world pvp.

>>717245981
Well let's see
The bosses are just random mobs upscaled with silly names. Zero lore or character to any of them except rag and, I guess majordomo.

Like two interesting mechanics out of what, 8 bosses?

It takes somewhere between 45 mins and 3 hours and most of that is hitting bullet sponges. No challenge, unless you count getting one shot by trash randomly which I don't.

Scenery is incredibly bland. Idk just, overall you're trudging through a cave killing golems. It is extremely lame compared to bwl (oh my god seeing the top of Blackrock mountain?!), or venturing into AQ to slay a god, or climbing naxxramas to kill one of the main characters of warcraft 3. Molten core is zugging with the occasional "Zanzibart forgive me"

Also thunderfury is retarded

>SoD makes a new Molten Core boss.
>Its a giant meatball with a bunch of water elementals pissing on it.

I enjoy playing with a controller too much to ever play on a pserver. Official classic does have its perks.

>>717195996
>not going north route and farming on the way for cooking

>>717247757
Are you stupid or what. You can do it all on privs too. Even run on steam deck if you like.

>>717248095
>Are you stupid or what.
He's playing an MMO on a controller what do you think.
These are the types of retards that try to tell you having 2 monitors halves your FPS.

>>717248095
>>717248269
Consoleport addon compatibility. Silly cunts

>>717247757
if you play on a vanilla private server you could probably use a third party controller program since most classes have one or two dps abilities lol
i saw someone playing with the official controller layout in dragonflight(?) and it looked a bit janky still especially with targeting and looting
also i saw they added a one button rotation now so that really cuts down on key presses

>>717188274
Why did 20 people reply to this completely incorrect statement without correcting it? I'm starting to think this board is populated mostly by shill bots.

Westfall and duskwood are not mutually exclusive you fucking moron shill

>>717247562
just wait for Ascension's Bronzebeard server, heard its gonna be releasing sometime December and that it'll be like SoD on crack

Vanilla DM is the greatest dungeon of all time in any game

>>717241781
>walking through the huge open fantasy game world is bad
rofl kys boosty

>>717247224
>Zero lore or character to any of them except rag and, I guess majordomo.

Literally every boss post wotlk was even more forgettable

>Like two interesting mechanics out of what, 8 bosses?

Nobody cares about mechanics

>Scenery is incredibly bland.

You're literally in a volcano, that is the opposite of bland

>>717187378
>hordenigger
>calling anyone brown
Nice projection

>>717248667
>You're literally in a volcano, that is the opposite of bland
i feel like they could've added some huge drops or canyons here and there to really give it that sense of scale, it's mostly just a cave to be honest or maybe a bottomless hole somewhere so you really feel like you're heading into the core of the planet
maybe stick an old god down there

>>717248749
>maybe stick an old god down there
Old gods are the worst thing about wow

>>717248795
like all lovecraft monsters you can never show them
c'thun whispering things was cool but hitting a big eyeball with your sword not so much

>>717188274
It wasn't, back in the day people completed it regardless since it's there and was spookykino
Nowadays all the faggots are following leveling guides and they send you around to Ashenvale, Wetlands and upper Redridge constantly, and are selective of Duskwood quests since there's a big level disparity in the raven hill stuff and the rest of the zone.
Since soulless private server/classic wow boomers always use these leveling guides they always spend very little time in Duskwood. The zone itself is very kino, especially Mor'Ladim and the Legend of Stalvan.

>>717242538
>one is a upper 10's dungeon and the other is a mid to upper 50's dungeon
All you had to do was do type /who, CJ!

>>717239446
Yeah true, why do pathetic horde basedboys have any quests at all, all they think about is ganking in pvp and LARPing about raping night elves after all, while their own wife IRL gets railed by blacks

>>717215325
This, but as Alliance. Killing the noshoes doing the barrow den quest never gets old, they ALWAYS seethe and GY res after the second death

>>717248949
it's a very mishapen zone in terms of questing quality of life
i liked the quest that required you to craft a staff to defeat an evil warlock and you had to find the materials in a sunken ship off the coast of the wetlands

>>717247941
This, you also avoid horde on the road and Stitches, there is also a rare wolf up there

>>717187351
>>717187378
DM meant Dire Maul, the Deadmines were called VC for Van Cleef.

>>717201265
>especially the kino epog version
Damn it must've been kino seeing it after having the server crash 10 times

>>717203152
Brown noshoes hands typed this post

>>717191004
>easily reachable by alliance
Maybe if you love walking for a literal hour
SW-tram/flight - IF - walk walk walk walk walk loch modan walk walk walk walk (enter dangerous zone) wetlands (try not to die) walk walk die resurrect walk walk walk (pick up the flught path if you have an extra 10 minutes walk walk walk walk -cross the bridge - (even more dangerous zone) walk walk walk die twice walk walk walk walk pick up FP walk walk walk walk cross a stone wall (you think you're getting close but you aren't) walk walk walk get killed by hordes walk walk walk flight point walk walk walk die to a random spider walk walk walk (silverpine forest) finally walk walk die a 10th time and whoops all your gear is red

>>717210824
That's why you play FRESH only when the zuggies are in the barrens running around like animals while you're questing.
If you level post launch then you should already have a 60 who can clear out the level 50 UD rogue ganking

why do the horde have 2 wonderful zones that they can camp low level players (redridge and menethil harbor) but the alliance has none

>>717249289
>the Deadmines were called VC for Van Cleef
Except that people were calling Deadmines "DM" before Dire Maul even existed.

>>717201265
no one saw it

>>717249657
yes, and then they stopped, because dire maul had more traffic and was used more often

>>717249686
>and then they stopped
No, they didn't.
>because dire maul had more traffic and was used more often
People used DM + wing for Dire Maul, or "Tribute". Stop trying to rewrite history.

>>717249532
>Dies 10 times to mobs
Lol. Lmao even.

>>717214195
>I don't know why I got so much enjoyment out of this,
Because you're a genetic dead end. If I knew your location in real life I'd kill you.

>>717186830 (OP)
I call it DM/VC

>>717202262
>Silverpine still horde zone
wcb still horde only never 4get

>>717219005
99% of players were Alliance in Vanilla, simple as
Horde is irrelevant

>See someone looking group to "DM"
>Shift-click name, see he is 18
Literally non-issue, how the fuck do you guys argue over this?

>>717224139
>that's where they decided to make the game too hard for your average mouth breather.
That was Ulduar

>>717234790
Go back to fortnite soulless zoomer

>>717235893
Unlike noshoe cuckolds, Alliane don't need a braindead tutorial dungeon in the middle of a capital city to teach them how to group up.
The same way Alliance don't need their entire 10-30 experience in non-contested zones to avoid the big mean gankers

>>717235057
>Its not meant to be done by horde
still nice to go do it for the bandana, leather set and various blue weapons
the potential of pvp was a plus too

>>717250256
holy fucking based
admiral proudmoore was right about everything

>>717241781
Ah yes, the "noshoes cuck realizes he played on the dev favorite easymode faction all along" moment

You forgot Alliance has to run from DARKSHIRE to get to STV every single time, whereas horde get a town guarded with 60 elite guards in the middle of the zone accessible via zepp, and the Ally "town" (camp) has no guards.

>No decent FP in thousand needles so reaching tanaris is another long ass walk
This is the only one you're wrong on, you can swim down from Theramore.

>>717250581
>you can swim down from Theramore.
...that would take fucking ages as well.

>>717242295
>superior questing experience
Easier =/= superior, unless you're a mixmaxxing boostie
>superior dungeons.
Incorrect, WC is garbage
>VASTLY superior travel options
Yes this is true, but it's just the fact you're coddled by the devs
>Superior racials
see previous response
>shamans>paladin
Shamans are irrelevant trash outside of ele's 1 shot macro in PvP and bringing totems to raids
>windfury>seal of gay
*pulls aggro in MC/Ony with a WF proc and dies* hordeniggers WISH they had blessing of salv, even if WF makes content go a little faster
>Tremor totem >fear ward
VASTLY incorrect, tremor sucks and you can be feared outside of its radius if you get the maximum duration waiting time until a proc (5s), though I'd argue having to play a d*arf priest is its own bag of worms

>>717242490
>You people camped the crossroads 24/7
Woah you mean...Ally camped....a horde territory zone where the players can't be killed...and high levels are just around the corner...the horror

>>717209743
I shouldn't have to type in shit because some faggot didn't bother to clarify what he meant to say
On a contrary it's a nice little red flag, showing a potential massive faggot that will nigger all over the run and ninjaloot your shit

>>717243396
And half of those problems would never have happened if the orcniggers didn't invade

DME, DMW, DMN, DMT, Tribute, DM Lib, none of these chat messages can be confused with DM (deadmines)

>>717236507
Thats based gigachad energy.
It's like naming your son "Boy"

>>717240557

>>717220719
No one is playing stinky shit mop

Alliance players are always the biggest retards in every single priv/retail classics i've ever played.

He says it so much I don't even notice it anymore. Last week, Van Cleef says to a shipmate, "Can a lapdog borrow a french fry?" and I don't go "omg, he said the L word." I ask, "How can a lapdog borrow a french fry? Lapdog, is you gonna give it back?"

>>717251526
they really are
played alliance on whitemane during wotlk classic and the absolute state of those players funny how my buddy had to handhold them every week during raid because they couldnt remember or do the most braindead basic shit like stack together for meteors

>>717242295
whats funny to me is that this doesn't even scratch the surface of the favoritism. like the easier quests. or getting your own exclusive world buff. or world buffs dropping in like four fucking settlements at once. or every battleground being easier for horde.

Vanilla didn't even fucking pretend not to have a bias. I'm surprised you're even allowed to kill horde niggers.

>>717234885
I deathran with a party to do RFC once, try harder.

Best WoW experience coming through
noshoe niggers are on suicide watch

>>717190734
>Wailing Caverns has better loot and more quests
The people doing DM arent generally doing WC anyway. WC is mostly horde as ally have to run past horde guards to get there from ash.

>>717251874
Lowest of low iq statement.
Darkshore > Ashenvale gorilla warfare is the best.

>>717248447
>Westfall and duskwood are not mutually exclusive
they're quite literally two different zones you retarded ESL poster

>Undead and Night Elves were the races that were placed in a continent where the other races of their faction have no presence
>Undead can take a Zeppelin straight from Tirisfal Glades into Orgrimmar (and STV) if a low level Undead wants to go level in the Barrens with his friends, or just in general wants to go back from his home in Undercity to the main Horde city Orgrimmar
>That Zeppelin also lands the entire Horde 20 seconds run away from the best leveling dungeon in the game for the hardest leveling levels in the game (Scarlet Monastery)
>Night Elves get a boat to Wetlands and corpserun for hours to get to Ironforge
No Horde bias there at all...

>>717251927
kalimidor is way better for vibes and kino.

>>717251874
i spent more time inside stormwind and ironforge than i did in org

>>717251389
I still love it how everyone gaslit themselves that legion was good. Its so fucking funny when every pro argument boils down to some class identity bullshit where it was just a monorailed mediocre as fuck experience for everyone, with an inbuilt slot machine.

>>717252620
Also tbc had best class identity because most classes I had experience with had at least two viable specs and blizz hadn't turned retarded yet about bringing players so classes were allowed to bring something unique to raids like Spriests being mana batteries and SV Hunters doing raidwide buffs for AP on crit.

>>717252620
>gaslit
>>>/tumblr/

>>717240596
>SM is the dungeon most people run outside of end game
>Lets make every dungeon we will ever release an SM copy
It's another TBC problem. They gave up on making complex dungeons in favor hallways. Having said that places like BFD and Gnomer are happy accidents; they were originally intended to be open zones rather than instances.

>>717208804
>>717208448
peak bait. got people to reply to you.

Add this (You) to your pile labeled "(You)s I got for pretending to be retarded on the internet"

>>717252895
gnomer was so cool and disappointing at the same time
>an actual gnome city with robots and mini quests
>most of it kinda sucks and you never come back
also blizzard can blow up undercity but not make gnomer an actual capital city

>>717251389
>le "´classic´"
Found the poser

>>717252895
people actually like scarlet monastery? its fucking trash, lol. at least strath live had mechanics and enemy variety

>>717216651
made me laugh

>hmm I wonder if the /2 message is about Deadmines or Dire Maul
>shift click the name
>oh he’s level 20 that’s a Deadmines call
Hard if you’re a brown subhuman, I’m sure.

>>717251980
the fact that you have to play as stinky uggo races for your entire time playing the game easily justifies this transaction. the running from Teldrassil is only temporary. the price you pay for ease of dungeon access for a few levels is forever. (t. Hardcore Night Elf player)

Hordelets get mogged hard by Night Elves (I feel the same way about Dwarves and Gniggers, though. Humans are alright).

>>717253049
People liked the simplicity and how quick it was, compared with stuff like Ulda which would take 2 hours+ during vanilla.

>>717252976
Indeed. Surprised blizz didn't do more with the idea of returning to dungeons with a new context. Like how Atiesh gives you a new boss in Strath

>>717253049
I hated the same rooms and same faggot npcs on and on
And how it prolongs your stay by wiggling its corridors back and forth and back again, like you're a stupid hamster trying to get to a cheese

>>717252803
I think it was because WoD buckbroke people so hard, that a minimal change to the mission table made the expansion good in their eyes. I didn't like WoD but at least it had something going on for it, even if that something was executed in the worst possible way.
Now seeing 10+belfs running around with ashbringers was just plain disgusting. Legion was a nothingburger with collectibles.
>muh cheevos
>muh legos
What a sad piece of shit you have to be if you play for collecting transmogs instead of enjoying the time with your friends. Not a single scripted event was as good as a random encounter with other players in the wilderness.

>>717253154
post brown nigger hands

>>717253360
>stinky uggo races
excuse you

>>717253360
>gooning to 144p wow models
ngmi

>>717251980
It's character building.

>>717253551
>posts the trans race/face combo

>>717251980
>That one spot where ?? crocodile gives your ass a lil chomp

>>717187360
They didn’t know some of the nobles were black dragons, so they were attacking the entire human kingdom as if everyone there was as evil as a black dragon, not knowing even any of them were dragons at all

>>717253551
smells like ass and has the voice and accent to match. Night Elves actually sound like classy, refined women (or huge sluts, coincidentally). primitive architecture and belief system, literal bones for jewelry and other visual accents. Nelf females actually have funny /silly quips, and their /flirt actually elicits an erogenous response from heterosexual males.

face it, you're trolling if you think what you posted is more visually appealing than the superiority of the Kaldorei race. from the top of our tree, you're quite figuratively, and quite literally, beneath us.

>>717253643
Horde was literally unplayable until Blood Elves were released in Burning Crusade. In the first game in an era where character customization was an actual thing, you'd have to be an actual faggot to have a male character take up 30%+ of your screen the entire time.

>>717254219
Undead tomboy females were/is the most high test choice, lil gayboi faggot

>>717254219
Females of vanilla horde races were total babes and blood elves are for faggots.

>>717254364
i get to look at skimpy bouncing elf tiddies and ass for the entire duration of my journey. every time you have to listen to the most gravely chainsmoker voice when you run out of mana or rage, or hearing about falling body parts and gross humor in /silly, you're reminded that you're having a subpar experience. you're anonymous on a chinese cartoon forum, anon. you don't have to lie to me.

>>717202342
This man is correct. We called it VC in ot fucking 4
>>717203057
you niggers.

This was on ARgent Dawn RP server as well as Dark Iron pvp server. Suck my dick.

>>717254493
except when you cherrypick the only fuckable face/hair combination for the only race that even remotely resembles having fuckable females in order to make your point. the rest of the combinations are a mixture of bald ugly dogshit, and your other options are nignog orcs, varying degrees of necrophilia, and literal cows.

>>717254592
aww I got a frognigger mad
how cute

>>717254916
does this image make you horny, hordefag?

>>717255116
Add giant tits.

>>717186830 (OP)
It's DM and anyone who says VC says retard tryhard troon lingo like "roll a toon"

>>717195996
Huh so that's why I'd always find some lowbies to kill on my way to Kara

>>717251980
It's mostly not a bad run but what the fuck were they thinking with dun algaz

>>717242295
Having Night Elves > all of that
Unless you're a brown fag and a furry then of course by all means play Horde.

>>717239973
Ragefire is whatever, I hated Stockades

>>717254018
*crashlands on ur planet*
*steals ur men*
nothing personnell kid

>>717240557
Oh boy, can't wait for half the group to get lost before even getting to the Grim Guzzler

>>717256326
Stockades is barely an instance. It's the only one I feel morally sound to have a mage frend boost you through

>>717187476
>>717202342

>>717243802
Blackrock depths is peak vanilla, fuck all the kids who loved scarlet monastery all my niggas hate SM for what it did to the dungeon design

lmao

>>717257312
>also fuck you for calling it VC. Fucking commie
>2008

>>717187984
>DM is an alliance instACK

>>717257261
Facts. It's like a culmination of the journey thus far and its own micro world
Absolute peak

I fucking swear the VC vs DM shit is some mandela effect shit, nobody called it VC

>>717257312
Based chad calling you a commie in 2008. I hope he's doing well

>>717186830 (OP)
It's DM and I'm tired of retards + browns confusing easy shit like this.

There is no Dire Maul instance, there is a Dire Maul + Direction trio of instances. Exact same thing for SM.

From the Official Brady Strategy Guide for World of Warcraft, released November 2004

https://archive.org/details/World_of_Warcraft_World_of_Warcraft_BradyGames_Official_Strategy_Guide/page/n35/mode/2up

"VC Van Cleef - Boss of Deadmines instance in Westfall. Sometimes used interchangeably with 'Deadmines.' (ie. LFG VC is the same as LFG Deadmines.)"
Page 9.

The VC initials literally come from the fucking beta of the game, predating the official launch.

>>717257874
So yes, calling Deadmines "VC" actually predates the existence of Dire Maul as well.

>>717257874
>>717257874
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>717257874
Fake, edited, gay

>>717257312
THIS fucking commies saying "VC" this isn't the soviet union you fags

>>717257874
Delete this right fucking now

>>717257874
Nobody cares tranny go study a real book that matters like the Bible

>>717257874
dmbros... it's over

why do jeetroaches samefag so hard?
Learn to use a toilet first

>>717257874
This is some Mandela Effect fuckery and you can't convince me otherwise.

This is just like the PSX thing isn't it? I don't see what's so fun about gaslighting over old abbreviations.

>>717257261
hey SM is cool, the Scarlet Crusade is like if humans weren't gay and the loot is amazing and iconic
don't blame the dungeon for the devs' incompetence

>>717258304
>lose a 20 year old argument
>screech about samefags and shartjeets
ayy lmao

>>717258528
PSX has always been fake garbage with the only "evidence" being game journalists using it in advertising, it was never in regular discourse.
VC's a real thing and there's countless examples of Deadmines being called VC because Wowhead, Gamefaqs, Youtube and other sites keep up their 20 year old content.

>>717224205
project shitshow

Okay but why the fuck did people call Deadmines VC in 2004 when Dire Maul didn't launch until 2005? For what purpose?

>>717256492
Alliance really was the patrician's faction.

>>717257874
THIS ISN'T REAL

>>717259094
Probably the same reason people called Maraudon "princess runs"
90% of people doing Deadmines were doing it for the Defias Brotherhood quest (Van Cleef's head), rather than just the exp or loot
"LFG Van Cleef" got shortened to "LFG VC".
It's fucking weird because nobody did this for other instances but it's still actually documented in beta and vanilla.

>>717259429
And a large part of it is probably attributed to everybody being new to the game.
Everybody looked at "LFG Hogger" or "LFG Chok'sul" and applied it to Deadmines/Van Cleef because the quest objective was to kill Van Cleef and it was the Alliance's first dungeon.

>>717259429
People clarified "LFG Mara Princess" because you can literally SKIP half the dungeon and just go for Princess. People say "LFG BRD Emp run" because they're choosing the shortest track to Emperor Thaurissan. It makes no fucking sense to shorthand Deadmines as "LFG VC" since you literally have to do every boss except for Cookie in order to get to Van Cleef in the first place. Like
>>717199714
said, shorthanding an ENTIRE dungeon just down to the initials of the last boss is retarded. You don't go "LFG DG" to get a Scholo group going so you can kill Darkmaster Gandling. Out of 11 bosses, only 2 are optional in Scholo. You have to kill the other 9 every. single. time.

Why is Red ridge a contested zone?
I am a level 15 player with maybe to green pieces of gear.
Who the fuck am i contesting in my own zone?

>>717259429
it's largely irrelevant outside of a historic perspective anyway, i saw people type VC in the early days but i haven't seen it in over a decade and i doubt most people still playing have any idea what you mean if you mention it
people used to type VC but pretty soon changed it to DM and history moved on
it's like arguing over crystal pepsi and new coke

>>717258729
LOL you samefagged posts "arguing" with you so you could "defeat" them, rashit
But by doing that, you just fucked your own brown filled with shit asshole
*slorp splut slorp*

>>717253049
The most popular vanilla dungeon by a wide margin and it's not even funny.

>>717259805
See >>717259635
A huge part of it is attributed to everybody being new to the game, or even new to MMOs in general in 2004-early 2005.
The VC initials made less since in late 2005 and 2006 as people learned the game and initials and moved on but large chunks of original players still called it VC into TBC and Wrath which led to some newer players calling it VC in TBC and Wrath, and it depended on the server culture.

It's why you see people ITT saying that their server said "VC" in 2009.

Deadmines' was the Alliance's first dungeon.
The objective was to kill Van Cleef.
The Alliance was already used to looking for groups for specifically named mobs like Hogger, the ogre in Loch Modan, and stuff in Redridge.

The Horde on the other hand didn't shorten RFC to a boss's name because the Horde doesn't really have any significant elite quest bottlenecks before RFC's level range so there wasn't really a precedent set for "LFG <Named mob>" like the Alliance has.

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>>717258726
Fuck SM and fuck you, "it's quick and the loot is nice" is why the rest of the wow dungeons starting from TBC were corridor with 3 bosses, 3-4 such instances next to eachother

>>717259851
>it's largely irrelevant outside of a historic perspective anyway
I agree, but a huge proponent of this thread claimed that "VC" is modern revisionism when "VC" fucking predates "DM".