Thread 717190795

What stops you from making the next overhyped Earthbound clone?

>>717190795 (OP)
how about a non-hyped Dragon's Dogma clone instead?

>>717190795 (OP)
Taste.

>>717190795 (OP)
What's your tax policy?

>>717190795 (OP)
Self-respect

>>717190795 (OP)
I clone more interesting games, like Asteroid.

>>717190795 (OP)
I only develop shit for my own personal pleasure and really don't give a damn about trying to appeal to others.

>>717190795 (OP)
lack of desire to spend time making assets

>>717190954
>game looks like runescape brawler
>retarded japanese fullscreen pause on hit
I'm not saying zoomers won't love it, but it looks retarded to anyone with a brain

>>717190954
Looks... okay?

>>717191308
That's KINO. You just don't get it.

i don't exhume the graves of great dead games out of respect but that seems to be a minority opinion

>>717191308
it's called hitstop, many action games do that

>>717191528
those games are incorrect

>>717190795 (OP)
Because I'm writing a play.

>>717191528
yeah but the game in question reminded me of something that is a lot more grounded and realistic

I want to make an RPG maker game that is as shit as possible on purpose. What features should i add?

>>717191759
Quick time events for every action you take.

>>717191759
Diversity.

>>717191283
did ai die

patience
drive
talent
time
>i got nothing

>>717191283
>people unironically played this shit

>>717191759
make deeply nested menus like menu>skills>spells>fire spells>fireball>custom cast>area
then, every time you press back on your controller it should close the menu forcing you to navigate the whole thing again

>>717190795 (OP)
Even if I lost all my laziness and just got on the grindset, what I would make would just be niche and lack any mass appeal.
>>717191759
All the combat is an autobattler that's literally just having bigger numbers than the opponent. The only thing your character can do is attack. And if you want to be extra torturous, give him a lot of interesting moves, skills, and items that he never uses or activates.

>>717190795 (OP)
My own laziness
Also if I made an RPGMaker game it would femMC corruption goon kino, not some quirky earthbound clone

>>717192357
>femMC corruption goon kino
Name your favorite games from this genre.

>>717192237
This, but half of the menus can only be closed with the Escape button.
The other half can only be closed with the back button.

>>717190795 (OP)
I have no art talent and no idea how to use this version of rpg maker. But i've been messing around with it for 30 hours.
I have an okay grasp on what I want to do. Generic slop RPG climbing a tower and a small hub tow.
do not want undertale stuff

>>717191569
your incorrect
i've played video games for 44 years, hitstop is the future retard

>>717191759
Common enemies that can steal equipped items right out of your hands/off of your body, have a very high chance to run away after doing so, and can act twice in 1 turn.

>>717190954
soul

>>717192591
I like how people say they have no art talent as their main reason but also have no game making talent.

>>717191528
yeah and it always looks like shit

>>717191759
chests never empty of contents
open them all over and over and over
small chance to gameover

>>717192056
He got hurt and collapsed.

>>717193482
Earthobundn is RPGmakrer?

>>717193559
Every game can be made in modern RPG Maker since it's essentially a unity skin now.

>>717193638
in what way is rpgm a unity skin? it runs on electron right?

>>717193482
impressive

>>717193719
https://rpgmakerunite.com/en/

>>717193719
>it runs on electron right?
bro thinks there are PC that don't run electricity :skull: :skull: :skull:

>>717191308
>>717191569
>>717193082
nah, hitpause is satisfying and good game design if done well. Gives attacks more weight. You might have brain damage haha.
>>717191759
Season Pass ads in-game
Equipment breaking
Fingerless glove meter
stealth sections
Tap button to run, and make sure the run button makes you talk to npcs and use things too.
takes a few frames to change directions
Make it so the text boxes don't advance sometimes when pressing a
Make it so the text boxes close automatically sometimes
Password save system, and you enter it by moving your character

>>717193638
That's RPG maker 2003

>>717190795 (OP)
I really wish RPG maker was better.
Like 2000, and 2003 were solid,
Even XP has a lot of soul.

But ever since VX I think RPG Maker as a franchise is in a downward spiral.
The default assets get worse, incorperating your own tiles isn't getting any easier,
and more and more the tool leans on its scripting or plugin options instead of just providing
a solid baseline to build an adventure.

>>717194562
You don't think japanese people are autistic enough to make rpg maker 2003 in rpg maker unite?

Maybe because of this?

>>717190795 (OP)
Artistic integrity.

Fuck captcha.

>>717195097
Aww piss baby needs to list his game on a fag site?
needs a little kissy baby from vias and MC??
host your own site dumbass
use crypto payment processors

letting jews ruin your dream
what are you gay?

>>717190795 (OP)
I recognize that village.

>>717195248
>what are you gay?
Yes, got a problem with it?

>>717191569
>>717193082
t. pc gaymers playing janky games with shitty animations

>>717195387
no but I do feel bad about your jewish affliction

>>717194972
Its gotten less user friendly but its become better friends with the users it friendly with.

>>717195572
It's my belief, not an affliction.

>>717195646
oh I am so triggered right now

surprised no one has tried to remake golden sun 1+2 using this shit yet

>>717195248
I wasn't making a revenue out of it... but the payment processor cuts and itch were insane before it got removed/restricted by the itch admin.

>>717195730
Ok?

>>717190954
>dragon's dogma with no party management meets blade of darkness
You will take my money.

How come the Warcraft 3 World Editor never segued into a proper standalone product? We could've had people making ARPGs and FPSes the way people make RPGs with RPG Maker.

>>717194972
There's a reason that 2003 has seen a revival, even among the Japanese users, where it was previously loathed and treated as an inferior product compared to 2k. It's because of the Maniacs Patch singlehandedly resurrecting it and making it infinitely easier for 自作メニュー and 自作戦闘 chads to do their thing.

>>717196248
>FPSes
I meant RTSes

>>717194972
XP/VX have all of the best games but no way to play them well. MV is super easy to hax and mod but mostly shitty games.

>>717196248
i bet Tiled can do that pretty okay-ly.

>>717193482
Between decompilation autism and EarthBound autism I'm surprised no one has reverse-engineered it for native ports, especially how ass the slowdown is when you have four kids and enemies on screen.

>>717196705
The most pressing issue is the fact that the speed EarthBound renders its text is an actual gameplay-affecting element compared to Mother 2 which draws the Japanese text instantly (due to the fact that it doesn't have to go through a variable width text routine)

>>717197268
Wait does that mean we're actually playing the right side but the game just tricks up by overlaying the information as is?

>>717191759
Random encounters every few steps
Random encounters everywhere: including cities, shops, inns, cut scenes
Random encounters when standing still too long

Maps with dozens of branching side paths that lead to dead ends

>>717195803
Getting the puzzles and out of combat psynergy to work properly would require so much custom code that you'd honestly be better off just using a better engine.

>>717196705
EarthBound "fans" are too busy making pretentious remakes, a port would be too noble of an effort for them.

>>717191759
timed mission with the timer continuing during dialogue menus and battles
needlessly long attack animations

>>717198681
uh... sure?

>>717190795 (OP)
i don't like videogames.

>>717190954
this looks like shit

>>717190795 (OP)
Nothing, apparently. My friend group posed this question to me last week and thus we've made some minor strides. I can do art, music, and a little bit of writing while one of my other buddies is a writer and programmer. We're trying to decide if we want the Earthbound formula with a dungeoncrawl experience or a FF Tactics tactical rpg game.

>>717203410
post ur game then faggot

>>717190795 (OP)
Still looks better than suikoden remastered

>>717203582
i lost the game.

>>717190954
Add a proper skybox and some little islands in the distance and it's golden

>>717198681
Anon, you might want to do a bit of light reading on how these kinds of systems render graphics.
Shit is drawn wherever in VRAM and then other code tells where it should wind up on the screen the player sees

>>717191759
Take cues from Cruelty Squad doctorine of visual fidelity. Also make the game's UI similar to Cruelty Squad one.

>>717198681
>>717205323
it's pretty cool, jigsaw'ing the random bits together into one or more buffers and then shitting the whole buffer out at once. lots of places for shitty work to slow the whole game down.

>>717203525
>BuzzLightyearOnTheShelf.gif

>>717191759
>>717191759
use all the assets that come with the game and then make the rest in paint

Aww nice RPG Maker thread
The madmen making the Maniacs Patch are working on adding self switches to 2003, I always wanted those

>>717193482
but why the jap version

>>717211109
RPG Maker editors have historically had terrible translations, whether they be fan translations or official. Especially with the Maniacs Patch, which is what is pictured there, the only thing you can trust completely is the original source Japanese text. There's no reason to use any English edition of the editor if you can read Japanese.

>>717190795 (OP)
Omori was 5 years ago. This isn't a trend anymore, retards are still seething about Undertale over a decade later.

>>717190795 (OP)
I want to do a probably not hyped at all FFT clone instead. Still stuck on the training music part, not even close to starting actual development. Perhaps soon I'll manage to sink my teeth into it for a more extended period of time.

So what's stopping me is incompetency and time/motivation.

>>717190795 (OP)
I dont want to make a Earthbound clone, I want to make a Zelda successor

>>717190795 (OP)
It's a red ocean, better to make a horror game like Ao Oni

>>717212801
>better to make the actual worst, oversaturated garbage genre not just for rpg maker, but for indie games as a whole
great idea man...

>>717190795 (OP)
Because I'm a talentless hack

>>717190954
>get motivated by toby fox making a popular game ALL by himself ALONE despite not knowing how to draw
>turns out that it's bullshit and undertale had a team of over 10 people ranging from popular webcomic artists to somethingawful people
Wow fuck whoever spread this bullshit

>>717190795 (OP)
I'm still learning so maybe in a few years idk

>>717190954
looks cool! you keep working on it and I'm sure it's gonna go somewhere
and if it doesn't you'll still have learnt something out of it that you can use for a next endeavor

>>717216603
You learned an important lesson: people will tell you exactly what makes their product the most marketable, even if it's a complete lie. Be thankful you learned it, because most people never do... Suckers, as they are called.

1) talent
2) an idea
3) a knack for marketing

>>717190795 (OP)
finishing a hentai game of rugrats.
where you are baby that fuck the moms and
babysitters.
easy mode you are black baby
normal mode you are white
hard mode you are asian.

i want to do an earthbound zero clone

>>717190954
More games need to look and play like this. Tired of realism-slop

>>717196269
I don't understand why 2k3 is so popular and has so much more fan support over 2k. Forced ATB sucks so much ass.
Wish 2k got maniacs, it would be the best engine in the lineup then.

>>717218719
2k3+Maniacs is popular because anyone using 2k3 isn't using any of the default systems to begin with. 2k was the gold standard for the longest time for the exact reason you specified, and there is even a 2k default battle version of 2k3 Maniacs in alpha for the die-hards who really want the Maniacs feature set but are too unskilled/lazy to replicate the 2k stock system in eventing/TPC.

>>717190795 (OP)

No creativity, no talent, and no ability.

>>717190795 (OP)
I don't have anything to say that would be interesting to a wide audience. Plus even if I did, I don't posses the kind of gracefulness in my writing that would be required to pull it off.

Make your RPG in this instead

>>717218961
>2k3+Maniacs
Where can I get this because every maniacs patch I see online is a virus.

>>717192742
Lol that would be so annoying. It could be cool if the next time you encounter that type of enemy, they’d have the item and you could steal it back

>>717221809
Only if I can make it turn based and not Grognard Edition

>>717190795 (OP)
Zero ideas, for the most part.

>>717190795 (OP)
Any good sites to learn shit for rpg maker?

>>717191759
Introduce randomness in the most inappropriate places. If an enemy should drop 100 xp, make it drop between 150 and 1 xp, randomized at the start of the game.
Have diminishing XP and gold for repeated battles. If you beat a Goblin, all goblins give 5% less xp and gold for the rest of the playthrough.
Make levelling really slow, with large power ups on every level.
Final boss should be designed for to be difficult at level cap.
Make the level cap 255 instead of 99.
The only way to escape battles is a consumable.

If you want to be an absolute douche nozzle The reduction in XP/gold is linear. It can go negative.

>>717191759
Make AI write scripts for you.

Is it really that easy?

>>717190795 (OP)
i respect earthbound

>>717222663
Anon...
https://bingshan1024.github.io/steam2003_maniacs/
The most recent updated versions coming out are gated behind discord though.

>>717216603
there are obviously quite a few people cited by him as helping and in the credits so that's an idea you got all by yourself m8

>>717228034
Jesus, tittyfucking christ, what the hell is this monstrosity?

>>717228034
haha look at her go

>>717191308
games without hitstop look and feel like shit.

>>717190795 (OP)
That looks nothing like EarthBound.

>>717190795 (OP)
I've never played earthbound so I don't know what to clone

>>717191759
2 hour wall of text prologue
random encounters with pointlessly huge maze-like maps
30% and below chance to run (drops to about 1% for the most annoying enemies)
consumables that aren't sold or dropped anywhere and only pop up from like 1 treasure chest so you never use them
huge towns with copy pasted houses and a million NPCs that say nothing useful
party members that you won't get until late mid-/lategame but still start at level 1
pointlessly low stat/damage caps
magic skills that have nothing to do with your magic stat
characters that get like 1 good skill early on and only trash after that
also the opposite
also members that just get trash
massive power gaps between each area so you're forced to grind your ass off
completely linear exploration from the beginning to the end
debuffs that never work on enemies except for that one boss that's weak to one of them with zero hints so you'll never use it
20% stat buff skills that only affect a single party member and last for 2 turns
gear that doesn't tell you the effects it gives
saving only allowed in limited areas

did i miss anything?

>>717230702
yeah, the gold/money system having no use or is not properly designed aka it doesn't matter

>>717190795 (OP)
because even if i wanted to, i ain't got no ideas rattling around in my empty head to make it with.
i'm a consoomer, not a prodoocer.

>>717195097
Remember to call and give them hell anon.

>>717190795 (OP)
I'm too busy making my overhyped roguelike deckbuilder

I don't like earthbound

>>717190795 (OP)
I don't care about Earthbound

>>717190795 (OP)
I'd rather make something original

>>717190795 (OP)
I've never worked at Blizzard

>>717190795 (OP)
Not very creative and therefore can't write witty dialog.

>>717225194
To incorporate some modern gaming philosophies and make this mechanic even more hellish, in order for the specific enemy that stole stuff to spawn again like you suggested, you have pay REAL money, or they’ll never show up again and lose the gear they stole forever.

Keep in mind that you’re not even paying to get he gear back, you’re paying for a CHANCE to get the gear back, and the enemy could easily just steal more crap and run off again, requiring another purchase or leaving you even deeper in the hole.

>>717190795 (OP)
chronic lack of willpower

>>717190795 (OP)
I'm fat and lazy

>>717230702
Yeah,
>damaging skills have excessive resource costs relative to their actual power, so it's almost always more efficient to just spam basic attacks (except MAYBE against bosses)
>long unskippable cutscenes before boss fights, especially the ones that are difficult and/or have unfair RNG bullshit
>also there are no save points directly before boss fights so you have to go through half the dungeon again every time you die
>dungeon loot is mostly gear that you could buy in the most recent town, so you'll feel like you got ripped off if you actually bought anything
>characters who leave the party without warning, and take their current equipment with them instead of returning it to your inventory
>branching paths inside dungeons where one path leads to missable loot and the other leads to automatic story progression that will prevent you from backtracking afterwards (there is no reliable way to tell which path is which)

>>717228034
This is some Ao Oni type shit.

>>717190795 (OP)
I wasn't molested as a child

>>717242614
now thats not true

>>717193482
>mfw seeing this then looking back at >>717191283
Goddamn this is some high octane autism.

>>717190795 (OP)
I am making another rpgmaker about depression #2368 though

>>717190795 (OP)
What's Earthbound? Some RPGmaker game?

>>717244871
You have to be 18 to post here

>>717190795 (OP)
UT/DR already did it and there's no way people will care for sloppy seconds.

>>717193482
>people try to clone this game
Savage mistake. Look how gorgeous it is, and that was on a SNES. No way a single person can pull off anything close to this. I don't care how many tools you got.